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Aired March 12, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HOST: Tonight on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW: from now on, reality star Heidi Montag is going to take all her advice from a psychic. Don`t worry, it`s not Ms. Kleo.
Then a deck of cards has surfaced with a nude picture of Betty White. I haven`t seen it yet. But I did once see a pinochle set with J. Edgar Hoover as the queen of diamonds.
And I`ll talk conspiracy theories with former wrestler Jesse Ventura, who is grappling with other men before anyone even ever heard of Eric Massa. That and more right now.
Well, lots of crazy news this week, starting with Heidi Montag`s decision to dump her hubby, Spencer Pratt, as her manager, and hire a psychic instead. Oh yes, good (INAUDIBLE).
Joining me now are actress Rachel Harris, star of the upcoming film, "Diary of a Wimpy Kid"; celebrity journalist Ben Widdicombe; and actress, former supermodel and Nutrisystems spokesperson Angie Everhart.
So listen, the girl gets ten plastic surgeries, they remove her nose, I think or her chin, and now they`ve removed her husband. He`s no longer managing her. She has a psychic. What do you think about that?
RACHEL HARRIS, ACTRESS: I have a psychic as a manager.
BEHAR: You would.
HARRIS: I would. I would do it in a heart beat.
BEHAR: Why?
HARRIS: I`m kidding.
BEHAR: Why? So you can predict what your next --
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HARRIS: I could right. If that actually worked, we`d all be winning Oscars.
BEHAR: Exactly.
HARRIS: And we don`t (INAUDIBLE)
And also, it`s about as shocking as me getting up and brushing my teeth that she decided to do this. It`s really not --
BEN WIDDICOMBE, CELEBRITY JOURNALIST: I think it`s a fantastic idea. Only someone that can talk to the dead can properly manage her career.
BEHAR: I don`t know if that`s true. She`s resuscitated a bit. She did something funny recently on "Do or Die", what is the name of that thing? Funny or Die, not Do or Die.
WIDDICOMBE: Maybe it was her medication.
BEHAR: I think we have a shot of it? Let`s see it. Let`s see the shot.
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HEIDI MONTAG, REALITY STAR: When I think about the thousands of Americans whose only method of paying for food is their credit cards, it`s enough to make me cry without moving my new face.
Thank you. Am I smiling?
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HARRIS: That`s cute.
It works for Joan Rivers, though.
BEHAR: But that shows she has a sense of humor about herself.
HARRIS: But she still mutilated her body.
BEHAR: She has. Ten surgeries she`s had. She did them all in one day.
WIDDICOMBE: And she`s such a beautiful woman. When is she going to be happy with herself if she`s not happy with herself at 23? I mean at 43 she`s going to decide that she`s happy with the way that she looks? That would be what?
BEHAR: No, it`s not going to get better.
ANGIE EVERHART, NUTRISYSTEMS SPOKESPERSON: Maybe with some medication. The medication was clouding her brain and you know, we have to give her an excuse.
WIDDICOMBE: Send her some nutrisystem. That what you can do.
EVERHART: I`ll send her nutrisystem. She`ll feel better.
WIDDICOMBE: Then she`ll feel better about herself.
BEHAR: It`s so interesting that, you know, she and Nancy Reagan have in common that they both talk to psychics. They`re both Republicans also. I`m just saying. Just a little factoid I threw out there.
She also said we`re no longer Speidi; we`re now Spencer and Heidi. Trouble in paradise? What do you think?
EVERHART: I think she has a crush on her plastic surgeon.
BEHAR: Have you met him?
EVERHART: No, but he`s cute.
BEHAR: Have you had anything done? You`re a supermodel.
EVERHART: I`m not telling.
BEHAR: You can tell. Botox? I admit to botox.
EVERHART: You know what? I did do botox but I actually did it on live television because I suffer from migraines.
BEHAR: We all do. Sure. Whatever.
EVERHART: I really do.
HARRIS: Isn`t it interesting though, like, I wonder is it because of publicity. Do you think that she got the ten plastic surgeries because of publicity? Or do you think --
WIDDICOMBE: They weren`t really surgeries, they were procedures.
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EVERHART: Yes. She did ten. I saw the whole special on her and she really did ten. That`s really somebody who really has low self-image of herself and she really wanted to fix certain things on her body. In today`s day and age, you can do that.
WIDDICOMBE: She should have gone for 11 and had a brain implant while she was at it.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: All right, next topic. Betty White, her career is on fire. She`s set to host "Saturday Night Live". She`s got movies, a sitcom and a nudie pic.
Here it is from the "National Enquirer" Web site. See that? Forty years ago -- I believe it was 40 years ago, Betty White posed nude.
EVERHART: I think that`s awesome. She`s 80 and still a sex symbol.
WIDDICOMBE: She`s 88.
EVERHART: She`s 88 and she`s still a sex symbol.
BEHAR: She`s hot, hot, hot. Did you know that she was like that?
WIDDICOMBE: Those pictures have been around. In fact, this "Enquirer" story was about her complaining that David Letterman showed the pictures but if you read the story, she was complaining then he showed the pictures when he interviewed her in 1985. So they`ve been around for a while.
BEHAR: Oh, really? She`s embarrassed by them Rachel. Would you be?
EVERHART: Joy, do you have any nude photos out there.
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HARRIS: You know, I wouldn`t be embarrassed. I actually have some nude photos on e-mail cards.
BEHAR: Do you really? No, you don`t.
HARRIS: But I think probably at this point she`s probably -- it`s odd, you would think -- I mean she`s a very saucy, sexy lady.
BEHAR: She`s very funny.
HARRIS: I would almost think that she would have something funny to say about it than be --
EVERHART: It must have been a hard time for her at the time. There must have been something that she was going through at the time and that really still strikes up memory of all of that. That makes her feel embarrassed about it because she seems like she has a great sense of humor.
BEHAR: But you know what, everybody should be frightened who did anything in the past. It`s all coming out now. It`s all over the Internet. You never escape those early years.
Do you have anything, Ben, that you would -- would you like to share?
WIDDICOMBE: Sadly no. Later today maybe I`ll see if I can get something on there.
BEHAR: And I also thing -- and we`re going to come back in a minute. Sit right there.
We`ll be back in 60 seconds with the latest on Lindsay Lohan`s bizarre feud with the E-Trade baby. I love that story.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE:: Yes. Sorry about last night.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi. I just don`t understand why you didn`t call.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was on E-Trade, you know, diversifying my portfolio.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And that milk-aholic, Lindsay, wasn`t over.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lindsay?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Milk-a-what?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: That`s so cute, isn`t it? That was the now infamous e-Trade commercial that first ran during the Super Bowl and the ad that has caused Lindsay Lohan to file a $100 million definition suit against the company.
Back with me is my panel.
Okay, Ben, she says -- Lindsay says -- that because her name is Lindsay and she`s so famous as Lindsay, that they were referring to her. And because she drank, I guess, and -- do you think there`s any validity to her argument?
WIDDICOMBE: I think that if people are putting out there that milk is her problem, she should probably embrace that. That`s a net gain for her reputation.
BEHAR: But she`s not Cher or Madonna, I mean --
WIDDICOMBE: The suit claims that she`s a one-name celebrity. But you know, clearly she isn`t. And also there`s a question of who filed the suit because blogs have been talking about the fact that the lawyer who filed the suit actually works for her father, who we know she has a famously rocky relationship with. And they`re barely talking most of the time.
So who filed the suit? Was it actually Lindsay or was it her dad looking for the money?
EVERHART: You know, I`m suing the Rolling Stones for the song "Angie". That`s it.
BEHAR: And "Joy to the World", what about that?
EVERHART: Mick Jagger, show me the money.
BEHAR: What do you think about this, Rachel?
HARRIS: I think it`s interesting. I think for her, like if she had just let it go, no one would have really thought that she was tied to this ad campaign. So I feel like maybe this is another way to get attention.
BEHAR: You think she wants attention?
HARRIS: I know. I know. Shockingly.
BEHAR: It`s shocking.
HARRIS: I do think -- it`s that thing -- if you really want something to go away, you let it go and you don`t add fuel to the fire. Because you just keep it alive when you do that.
BEHAR: What do you think? Do you think they should pay her something?
WIDDICOMBE: No, absolutely not. The whole story about how the ad was made. The reporter actually on set writing a story for Esquire magazine about the making of the ad. And it was conceived as an ad for someone called Deborah. They changed the name at the last minute. And this was all documented.
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BEHAR: You know, just a point I feel like Lindsay and milk-aholic, if you check the tabloids, there was a lot of scuttlebutt about her drinking and acting crazy, it`s not that big a stretch to me.
WIDDICOMBE: Listen, the white line on Lindsay`s upper lip is not "Got Milk" ad.
BEHAR: Oh, baby. One more story before we go.
This Sidibe girl -- this Gabby Sidibe, she`s taking flak for being fat, the poor girl. I use the word fat because --
EVERHART: Nutrisystem.
BEHAR: Oh, Nutrisystem, very nice. Throw that plug in, Angie.
EVERHART: Nutrisystem.
BEHAR: Howard Stern was nasty to her this week. And they`re saying that she`ll never get any roles because she`s a heavy girl. She`s already booked a "Showtime" series. What do you think about that?
HARRIS: I think that -- I think that she`s -- talent works whatever in whatever shape or size you are. I feel like if you believe that you can do something and if she truly is a good actress, work will find her.
BEHAR: You don`t think it`s harder for her because she`s so specific, Ben?
WIDDICOMBE: You know, I think the problem is that Hollywood doesn`t provide a range of roles for women. And if you -- and not a female romantic lead, there`s less work that you can get. Than if you were a man, I think more male character actors can find work than females.
BEHAR: Oh yes, John Goodman --
WIDDICOMBE: Sure.
BEHAR: -- and all those chubbies from "Saturday Night Live," yes, they all died.
WIDDICOMBE: But she represents the person that we know in society, you know, there are people exactly like that, the trouble is that Hollywood doesn`t make stories about this people that`s the problem.
BEHAR: But she did book Angie quite a few things, she has a movie, she`s got a series on "Showtime."
EVERHART: Well, she has her demographic and she has her type of woman that she is. I mean, she`s not going to go out for roles that I am going out for I`m not going out for her types of roles. But there is --
BEHAR: Well, I could see you in "Precious."
HARRIS: I saw her in the waiting room the other day.
BEHAR: You saw her, Gabby?
HARRIS: Yes.
BEHAR: She`s so cute and funny, the girl.
HARRIS: I`m being facetious.
BEHAR: Are you kidding?
HARRIS: Yes I was kidding. We aren`t going out for the same role.
BEHAR: I thought it was the things a part, I don`t what she`s saying.
HARRIS: Well, if it was, you know, I think it`s another way to go.
BEHAR: All right, thank you, everyone. It was a very interesting and have a wonderful weekend.
Kevin Federline joins me next. Don`t go anywhere.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kevin, yous weight loss for the week was three pounds. And your weight tonight is -- 218 pounds. You lost four pounds.
KEVIN FEDERLINE, VH1`S "CELEBRITY FIT CLUB": That`s great. I mean, it`s incredible. Thank you guys, already. My whole attitude towards healthy food has just changed.
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BEHAR: Well that was Kevin Federline, the ex-Mr. Britney Spears who has slimmed down with the help of VH1 "Celebrity Fit Club". Joining me now is Kevin Federline. How do you do, Mr. Federline?
FEDERLINE: I`m good, how are you doing?
BEHAR: All righty, now you put on a lot of weight after you split up with Britney. Was that depression or doughnuts?
FEDERLINE: Probably both.
BEHAR: Well, tell me about the depression part.
FEDERLINE: Well, I mean, I went through a very public divorce and it was tough. Any divorce, I think, especially when kids are involved, is -- it was hard on me.
BEHAR: Yes. Were you prepared for the instant celebrity of being with Britney and then losing it like that?
FEDERLINE: I don`t want to say I was prepared for it. But I took it in stride.
BEHAR: You did?
FEDERLINE: Yes.
BEHAR: But you were sort of beaten up by the press, they said that you were an opportunist. Is that a fair thing to say? Or do you think they were unfair to you?
FEDERLINE: No, I mean, fair or not fair, I mean, it was what it was. I was with the person that I loved at the time and all things happened the way they did.
BEHAR: And what is your relationship with Britney right now?
FEDERLINE: We`re good. A lot better. A lot better.
BEHAR: Really? Do you see her?
FEDERLINE: Rarely, yes.
BEHAR: How often do you see her?
FEDERLINE: I don`t know. I probably could count on my fingers, you know, this year.
BEHAR: On one hand?
FEDERLINE: -- four or five. Yes, definitely.
BEHAR: So let`s talk about the eating issue. When did you realize that your eating had gotten out of control?
FEDERLINE: I saw a picture of myself actually when I was in Miami, I was out at the pool and I just looked huge and I realized that I let it get away from me.
BEHAR: You didn`t notice it about yourself until you saw the photo?
FEDERLINE: Well I mean I think I did but I kind of ignored the fact. You know once you get into a weight gaining situation and being lazy, it just all added up and really hit me all at one time.
BEHAR: Yes, and I noticed that the media was calling you K-fat. That must have hurt.
FEDERLINE: I mean it`s not very nice.
BEHAR: No it isn`t but the media is not that nice sometimes.
FEDERLINE: That`s right.
BEHAR: Uh-huh. Now you were a professional dancer. So what happened there? Dancers usually can maintain their weight.
FEDERLINE: Yes, well I hadn`t been dancing for a few years. So it was -- it all began to take its toll I think and then hitting 30, my metabolism started slowing down, being lazy, eating pizza all the time.
BEHAR: Yes.
FEDERLINE: Every other day. You know it doesn`t help. Drinking a 12-pack of soda a day doesn`t help.
BEHAR: And what was your weight at your heaviest then?
FEDERLINE: I was around 240 at my heaviest.
BEHAR: And now?
FEDERLINE: I can`t say what I`m at right now but I`ve lost a lot of weight.
BEHAR: Why can`t you say it?
FEDERLINE: Because we still have the show going on. So I can`t really reveal how much I`ve lost.
BEHAR: Oh, it`s a big secret.
FEDERLINE: It -- well supposedly, yes.
BEHAR: Ok, but did you really want to go on a show to lose weight, to lose the weight or because it would resuscitate your career or it was good publicity?
FEDERLINE: Well I mean, there`s not too many bad things that come from weight loss. I mean, I`m pretty sure a lot of American people are overweight. And you know it didn`t really -- it didn`t bother me to be on TV losing weight. I looked at it as a good opportunity for me, you know and being in the right hands I had everything that I needed.
BEHAR: Ok. There was a little bit of a controversy, a little accusation that maybe you put on extra weight before the show for the more dramatic effect. Any truth to that?
FEDERLINE: Right. No, not at all, I actually -- whenever I found out like a Friday or Thursday or Friday that they wanted me to do the show and I had to make up my mind over the weekend so unless I could gain 40 pounds in a matter of four days.
BEHAR: Oh, I could do that. Now, now your ex-girlfriend and mother of two of your kids, Shar Jackson, is on the show with you. Let`s take a look at that.
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SHAR JACKSON, MOTHER OF FEDERLINE`S TWO KIDS: The past five years, I`ve seen every relationship he`s been in. I`ve seen -- I`ve seen way more than I need to see. It`s never going to be easy, because I was so in love with him, and I got hurt and whatever and this is a new person that he`s giving all of the love that I used to have too.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: She`s not happy.
FEDERLINE: No, it doesn`t sound like she is.
BEHAR: Was it a publicity stunt to have both of you on the show?
FEDERLINE: You know, I found out at the same time they asked me to do the show. So I don`t think it was a stunt. I just think it worked out, you know, to their benefit, I`m sure.
BEHAR: Let me ask --
FEDERLINE: You know it was great. I mean, we`re good friends, you know, obviously there`s emotional baggage there for her. And you know, I think going through this process with me, it really helped, you know. I think that if she can move on, then I think it`s really good for our children, it`s good for our lives in the future, you know. It`s all positive.
BEHAR: How old are you, Kevin, 32-ish?
FEDERLINE: I`m going to be 32 in a few days.
BEHAR: So you`ve got four kids. You have 2 with Britney and 2 with Shar. Can I ask you a question? What is your income? Where is the money?
FEDERLINE: Well, I mean, I`ve saved a good amount of money. I make good money here and there. So I get jobs where I can and I make it all happen.
BEHAR: It`s expensive to raise children.
FEDERLINE: Yes.
BEHAR: And now you have another girlfriend, Victoria Prince.
FEDERLINE: Yes.
BEHAR: who is a very fit volleyball player. Are you going to have more kids with her?
FEDERLINE: I wouldn`t rule it out. I wouldn`t rule it out.
BEHAR: Really?
FEDERLINE: I mean I love being a father. I love children. I -- it`s the highlight of my life.
BEHAR: But you must be giving some consideration to the fact that when you have children, you have to put them through college, they get colds, they have to go to the doctor, they need clothing and shoes and the usual.
FEDERLINE: Yes, right, right. I`m not saying -- sorry to cut you off. I`m not saying that I`m running out and trying to have more kids right away, you know. It definitely would be a thought out decision.
BEHAR: Now, Britney has some cash, so you don`t have to worry about those kids, right?
FEDERLINE: Of course.
BEHAR: Yes, ok, Kevin, thanks for coming on. Good luck with your weight loss.
FEDERLINE: Thank you. Thank you very much.
BEHAR: Your welcome. Catch Kevin Federline on "Celebrity Fit Club" Monday`s at 9:00 p.m. on VH1.
We`ll be back in a minute.
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BEHAR: I thought I had a busy life doing two TV shows but Niecy Nash makes me look like a tree sloth. She`s on "Clean House", "Gary Unmarried" and the new season of "Dancing with the Stars." Joining me now is actress Niecy Nash. Hey Niecy.
NIECY NASH, ACTRESS: Hi, Ms. Joy, how are you?
BEHAR: I bring greetings from Sheri Sheppard, your other friend, your other girlfriend.
NASH: My partner in crime.
BEHAR: She is, she is. Now, how did you find time to even come on this show? You`re so busy.
NASH: Let me tell you, my dance shoes are in the car, so I`m squeezing it in.
BEHAR: But you`re also squeezing in "Dancing with the Stars." I mean, are you excited? I would be so nervous if I had to do that show.
NASH: Girl, I have not been in a leotard since, well -- it`s been a long time.
BEHAR: How long has it been?
NASH: Well, you know, Joy, when I was in the eighth grade, I was actually kicked out of my dance production. We were doing "Porgy and Bess" and I got kicked out because I forgot the routine on the stage. And I retired in the eighth grade. I hang up my dance shoes. And I did not come out of retirement until 1990 when I auditioned to be a Fly Girl. And I got kicked out of there too.
BEHAR: Wow. I`ve gotten fired from a lot of jobs. It`s the best thing, isn`t it sometimes?
NASH: Well, I`m back -- I`m back and I`m dancing for redemption.
BEHAR: Didn`t you just lose a whole bunch of weight, too?
NASH: Well, I did, a couple years ago I lost about 45 pounds on Jenny Craig. But a lot of people keep asking, are you excited about the transformation your body is going to go through dancing -- you`re going to lose all this weight? And I`m not excited about it. I love my jiggly parts.
BEHAR: You do?
NASH: Yes, I do.
BEHAR: Why, what do you love about them?
NASH: You know what? I love feeling womanly. I feel very sexy with the excess lady parts that I have going on. And I`m not looking forward so much to my body changing, to losing all that. I like it thick.
BEHAR: It will just get toned a little bit and your competition is really very interesting. You`ve got, you know, Buzz Aldrin, the guy who walked on the moon. That`s pretty daunting. He`ll be good, I think.
NASH: Can I tell you, I looked in and I saw him practicing his cha- cha. He`s got some moves.
BEHAR: He`s got some moves.
NASH: He`s got some moves. Buzz may be the dark horse here, Joy. He very well could surprise everyone.
BEHAR: Maybe you could do a moonwalk.
NASH: How about that?
BEHAR: Tell me about "Clean House," the show finds the messiest houses in America and what do you do, clean them?
NASH: Pull out the clutter. We take all the clutter away and we sell it at a yard sale. Then we use the money -- I`ll match it up to the first thousand -- and we use the money to reinvest in the home, redecorate, reorganize, all that sort of thing.
BEHAR: Really? That sounds like a very nice thing that you`re doing for people. How do you even find these houses? Is it listed somewhere on Craigslist, Pig Pen, and then give you the address?
NASH: You know what, Joy? They find me. Oh, they find me everywhere. They find me online. They find me walking in the mall.
BEHAR: They find you.
NASH: Everywhere.
BEHAR: Ok. Niecy, thanks so much for doing the show. Catch Niecy on the new season of ABC`s "Dancing with the Stars" starting March 22nd. We`ll be back in a minute.
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BEHAR: The most memorable moment from this year`s Oscars occurred when a loud middle age redhead surprised millions by running up onstage and grabbing the microphone. And no, it wasn`t me demanding that George Clooney return my calls. It was her. And here to talk about what`s being called her Kanye West moment is one of the producers of the Oscar winning documentary "Music By Prudence," Elinor Burkett. Hey, Elinor, welcome to the show.
ELINOR BURKETT, PRODUCER, "MUSIC FROM PRUDENCE": Hey Joy, and I wasn`t even asking for George Clooney to return my calls.
BEHAR: You didn`t?
BURKETT: No.
BEHAR: I would have. For anyone who missed it, let`s watch what happens when the winner was announced for best documentary short.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Music By Prudence" Roger Roth Williams and Elinor Burkett.
ROGER ROTH WILLIAMS: I never imagined in my wildest dreams that I would end up here. This is so exciting.
BURKETT: Can we drop the man and let the woman talk.
WILLIAMS: This is so exciting.
BURKETT: The classic thing, you know, in a world in which most of us are told and tell ourselves that we can`t. We honor the band behind this film, teaches us that we`re wrong.
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BEHAR: Okay, Elinor, you know, you`ve been compared to - Kanye -- it`s very funny. I tell you I enjoyed it because it was like the one moment in the Oscars that was worth watching, in a way.
BURKETT: It was dull. I mean the show was just like --
BEHAR: The show was dull.
BURKETT: I stood outside smoking most of the time. So --
BEHAR: Yes and then you came up and just made the whole thing happen. But you`ve been compared to Kanye West. David Letterman made fun of you last night. How do you feel about that?
BURKETT: Well I have to start by saying I live in Zimbabwe, so I didn`t know what the Kanye West reference was.
BEHAR: Oh.
BURKETT: I was backstage and I get a phone call from somebody saying your Kanye West moment - I didn`t know what they were talking about.
BEHAR: Yes. But now you do.
BURKETT: Well now I know and it`s just a little weird. Because like Kanye West didn`t get the Oscar. I mean that was the point.
BEHAR: No, that`s true, but he interrupted the flow, let`s put it that way.
BURKETT: Yes, I interrupted so I had two choices, right?
BEHAR: Yes.
BURKETT: Either I could let him blather on, for 45 seconds, because that was the max. This year was only one person could speak, or I could interrupt, so I get to talk.
BEHAR: Yes.
BURKETT: And everybody thinks I was bad for interrupting him. So they don`t think he was bad for like big footing me to prevent me from speaking at all.
BEHAR: Uh huh, big footing you?
BURKETT: Yes, well that`s what he did. You saw how he ran up, I mean, maybe I`m just like a middle age crazy person, could be.
BEHAR: Yes.
BURKETT: But I think, okay, you get up, then you wait for me to get up, we go up together graciously.
BEHAR: Yes.
BURKETT: And you don`t start talking at least while I`m halfway down the Kodak theater.
BEHAR: Uh huh.
BURKETT: I mean that was pretty big footed.
BEHAR: Well when they announced the winner, what went through your mind. You were sitting there with his mother, right?
BURKETT: Uh huh.
BEHAR: So what happened in your head?
BURKETT: That if I don`t get to that stage within three seconds, he`s not going to thank the band, he`s only going to talk about himself. That`s what he did.
BEHAR: Uh huh, that`s what he did. Let`s hear what Roger Ross Williams had to say on "Larry King Live."
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LARRY KING, HOST: The woman that cut into your speech claims that your mother used her cane and tried to block the path to the stage. True?
WILLIAMS: That`s ridiculous. My mother got up behind me my mother is 87 years old and has bad knees. And she just got excited like anyone mother would.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: So you are saying that the mother basically tripped you, she`s 83 -
BURKETT: Well go back over he didn`t hug his mother.
BEHAR: He didn`t hug his mother.
BURKETT: I mean when you - what you show to me now, I hate to do this, because it`s his mother. She`s a very nice mother. It`s not about his mother. But you saw in your first show -
BEHAR: Yes.
BURKETT: It was announced, he didn`t even turn to his mother. He didn`t hug her. He ran -- by the time his mother started to get up, he was halfway to the stage into his acceptance speech. His mother -- everybody around us was laughing. All because they didn`t know what to do to help me get out because I could not get out.
BEHAR: Why were they laughing?
BURKETT: Because they didn`t know what to do to get me out.
BEHAR: They saw that you wanted to get out.
BURKETT: Well obviously, my name had just been called, it`s the Oscar. The guy in front of me --
BEHAR: Yes, yes, but he wouldn`t have minded if you just went up and kept your mouth shut, right?
BURKETT: Oh but I`m really not very good at keeping my mouth shut.
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BEHAR: Oh I can relate.
BURKETT: You know this is not just something - that is like in my makeup. And it`s also like - you know, this is not "Avatar." and this is not (UNINTELLIGIBLE)--
BEHAR: Church walker. It`s not a big film.
BURKETT: Yes. I mean this is a documentary film, so the speech needs to be about the subjects of the film. Not about "I am so happy, I, I, I."
BEHAR: Yes, yes, yes.
BURKETT: The speech needs to be about the band.
BEHAR: Well you know this is what he said to Salone, she has nothing to do with the movie, she just ambushed me. How do you respond to that? That you have nothing to --
BURKETT: I have nothing to do with the movie? You see my name on this Oscar?
BEHAR: Well, I said before you got the Oscar.
BURKETT: The producer`s guild said I produced the movie. And I produced the movie.
BEHAR: Uh huh.
BURKETT: So I mean ambushing me makes it sound like I was really just some woman who like - for some reason stormed up on stage and I had nothing to do with the movie. I don`t think that the academy would have given me an Oscar if I had nothing to do with the movie.
BEHAR: Well that`s probably true but you know I also read that you say there`s a level of sexism in how all this played out. What do you mean by that?
BURKETT: Oh, I don`t think there`s any doubt. In fact, it`s been the funniest thing on the street. I mean how many women were up on the stage before me? Zero women. And when --
BEHAR: No, Catherine Bigelow did win the big one.
BURKETT: Yes that was late.
BEHAR: Yes, yes, yes.
BURKETT: But when there are mixed groups of men and women, who speaks for the group? Well all know who that is.
BEHAR: Uh huh.
BURKETT: And we spoke, it`s funny yesterday I was in the airport in L.A. trying to figure out through TSA.
BEHAR: Right.
BURKETT: And this woman, older woman like in her 50s --
BEHAR: Yes -- that`s old?
BURKETT: Stops and says, older.
BEHAR: Okay.
BURKETT: But look anybody is younger than me at this point because I`m 63.
BEHAR: Okay.
BURKETT: The woman stopped and she said you`re the one who wouldn`t let that rude boy speak, right? And I said yes and they started cheering.
BEHAR: They like that because they saw an assertive woman go up there and just go for it, is that why?
BURKETT: I think that`s why. I mean somebody else told me, just sent me an e-mail and said you can now buy a t-shirt of what I said.
BEHAR: Yes.
BURKETT: And I think there is still that feeling a lot of women have. But the men assume, because this could all have been avoided if Roger had been willing to like flip a coin with me. It`s very - you know, like we`re 5 years old.
BEHAR: Yes.
BURKETT: Okay, heads you speak, tails I speak and we`ll write the speech together.
BEHAR: But you know there`s another thing, you wrote a book called "So Many Enemies, So Little Time." are you a little paranoid, do you think? Do you have a little paranoia in your personality
BURKETT: No, that`s --
BEHAR: Oh that doesn`t mean they`re out to get you just because you`re paranoid.
BURKETT: No, I don`t think anybody was out to get me. I mean, listen, I knew that Roger was going to want to do the speech and I`m sure he knew I wanted. So he tried to make sure I couldn`t get there before him. He just didn`t think I would be so rude as to interrupt him.
BEHAR: Yes the only thing I would say is I wish you had interrupted some of that interpretative dancing. Next time would you mind just going up when they are doing some kind of -
BURKETT: I`ll tell you what -
BEHAR: Cirque de Soliel number and just go up there and -
BURKETT: You`ll wire me and you`ll come in and say, now, Elinor -- or we could do it together. We sit on the opposite sides
BEHAR: We`ll tag team them.
BURKETT: Yes.
BEHAR: Okay Elinor, --
BURKETT: Okay next time.
BEHAR: Thank you very much for stopping by and congratulations on the Emmy that you did win.
BURKETT: Oscar.
BEHAR: Oh I mean, the Oscar, of course. I have Emmy on the brain because I`m in television.
BURKETT: I wonder why.
BEHAR: I know, okay up next Jesse Ventura drops by to share a few of his conspiracies theories, you do not want to miss this.
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BEHAR: Earlier this week, I chatted with the always outspoken Jesse Ventura. He`s the former Governor of Minnesota and ex-navy S.E.A.L., a legendary pro wrestler, and the author of "American Conspiracies: Lies, Lies and More Dirty Lies That The Government Tells Us." before talking conspiracies, I wanted his take on Rush Limbaugh`s racially tinge comment about New York Governor David Paterson.
Take a look.
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RUSH LIMBAUGH: So David Paterson will become the Massa.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
LIMBAUGH: Whoever gets to appoint, whoever gets to take Massa`s place. So for the first time in his life, Paterson`s going to be a Massa.
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BEHAR: You know, so does the satire defense work here? Because you know when Sarah Palin went after him - when he used, said "retarded", she gave him a pass at first because she said well, he`s a satirist.
VENTURA: Right.
BEHAR: Is this satire?
VENTURA: Well it`s definitely entertainment. It`s not news.
BEHAR: No it`s not news.
VENTURA: None of these shows are news -
BEHAR: But he`s not taken seriously as a news person, in many quarters of the country.
VENTURA: Not my me.
BEHAR: Not by me either but a lot of people do.
VENTURA: Sure. Is it satire? I don`t know. But he certainly has the ability, and I don`t subject him to anything bad because he does satire. Now what was racial about that?
BEHAR: Well, I guess to call David Paterson, Massa, because he`s a black guy.
VENTURA: Yes.
BEHAR: Well because he referred to Barack once as Barack the magic negro. It`s like at least the most insensitive and thoughtless --
VENTURA: Yes but what does Massa mean? It means that guy.
BEHAR: No but yes, but he`s doing a play on words on like Massa - master from "Gone With The Wind".
VENTURA: Okay it must be flying over my head there. You`re getting it and I`m not.
BEHAR: Okay, all right. I mean Imus, you know Imus -
VENTURA: Sure.
BEHAR: He made a comment, called these girls nappy headed hoes -
VENTURA: Yes. Yes.
BEHAR: And he got thrown off the air. But Rush Limbaugh gets a pass, he`s still on the radio, no matter what he says.
VENTURA: Oh sure.
BEHAR: So, I`m for free speech.
VENTURA: Hey, it all comes down to money.
BEHAR: Uh huh, that`s true, he makes a lot of money.
VENTURA: Absolutely, he brings in ratings. So he`s going to get a pass when it comes down to money.
BEHAR: Yes unfortunately that`s the truth of the business. Karl Rove, you like him?
VENTURA: I respect him for what he can accomplish. Do I like him? I can`t really say I like him because I don`t really know him.
BEHAR: Well he says in his new book that Bush didn`t deliberately lie about WMDS. Do you buy that?
VENTURA: No, I don`t buy that.
BEHAR: You think Bush deliberately lied and Cheney the whole administration?
VENTURA: Yes, yes, because they clearly wanted to go to war in Iraq. We saw that from all the testimony after 9/11, a day later they were already talking about Iraq. Actually it was when Bush announced that we were going to go into Iraq, that`s when I started to question 9/11. I didn`t question it before that. But when he announced we were going into Iraq, I sat back and went wait a minute, there wasn`t one of these supposed hijackers that was from Iraq. Why are we going into Iraq?
BEHAR: No, that`s true, it was Saudi Arabia.
VENTURA: Yes, I felt going that going into Iraq was equivalent to Pearl Harbor when the Japanese attacked us. Well then let`s go get the Koreans after all, they are Asian too.
BEHAR: Uh huh.
VENTURA: You know, that to me is how I read it. And felt what does Iraq got to do with this?
BEHAR: But in your book, "American Conspiracies"
VENTURA: Sure.
BEHAR: You mentioned that - I mean, you tell it to me, what you say about 9/11 and the Bush Administration.
VENTURA: Well here`s the deal. When they had the 9/11 commission, Zelekow from the White House ran it. Now how do you get an investigation?
BEHAR: Yes.
VENTURA: And here`s the biggest part, let me hit this first. White Water, they spent $100 million to learn Bill Clinton cheated on his wife, 100 million. You know what they first allocated to investigate 9/11, which was stone walled for two years? $4 million. It ended up $13 million. 3,000 people die and they allow $4 million to investigate it? Yet White Water, $100 million to learn the president cheated?
BEHAR: Well White Water was a real estate thing.
VENTURA: Yes but what did they learn? Nothing.
BEHAR: They learned nothing.
VENTURA: The only thing ultimately they learned is the president cheated on his wife.
BEHAR: Okay so what do you make of that?
VENTURA: Well I make of it that they never, ever had any serious intentions for an investigation of 9/11. You can`t spend that little amount of money and get a true investigation. I mean you got Zelekow running the whole thing. Well what he did, he didn`t allow any information that didn`t point to what they wanted for them people to hear and see. Just like the Warren Commission.
BEHAR: Okay now you were saying either this morning or I read it or whatever that you think that the Bush Administration --
VENTURA: Knew.
BEHAR: Knew that they were going to attack the World Trade Center.
VENTURA: Well if you look, they never saw any MSA documents. They were withheld because of Zelekow. We`ve got the MSA documents through discovery. And the MSA documents state clearly as early as May that this threat was there. It ramped up in July to where they actually thought it was going to happen and it didn`t. And then ultimately it happened in September.
BEHAR: Well it was a memo. It was a memo.
VENTURA: Well yes, the August 6th memo.
BEHAR: That`s right.
VENTURA: Well there`s more than just that one. There`s a bunch from the MSA. Richard Clarke was from the MSA. And you got the August sixth memo and Condoleezza Rice sit there is in front of the 9/11 commission and says, we had no idea they were going to take planes and ram them into buildings. Well, that`s exactly what the memo said.
BEHAR: I know.
VENTURA: How could you not have an idea?
BEHAR: Well what they would respond to that is, you know, there were a lot of memos coming by. We`re not going to pay attention to some unsolicited memo. That`s what they said - I`m on the same page with you.
VENTURA: No, when there is the threat, this country is going to be attacked -
BEHAR: Right.
VENTURA: And everybody -- what was Condoleezza shopping, I think, George Bush was on vacation and all this going on. Well to me, that`s not taking protection of the nation very seriously. And plus, if they knew all this stuff, why weren`t they preparing for it? And here`s the other key. I come from the navy S.E.A.L.S where failure is not an option. I think air defense is the same way. We can all agree it was a major failure that day of our air defense system. Why was no one fired or demoted? Yet people were promoted.
BEHAR: Really?
VENTURA: Yes.
BEHAR: I didn`t know that.
VENTURA: Nobody was fired. You don`t fire anyone if you don`t want an investigation. If you start firing people, people are going to start talking saying why am I fired?
BEHAR: Yes, yes.
VENTURA: This is what I did, bla, bla, bla and they`re going to start talking. If you don`t want an investigation, let business go on as usual Monday morning.
BEHAR: But, okay, but Jesse, you`re not saying that the -- what I understood this morning, that the Bush Administration was behind the attack?
VENTURA: I don`t know that.
BEHAR: But what do you say about that?
VENTURA: I say that they certainly knew it was going to come. They did nothing to protect us. And they may have enjoyed it because they had an agenda.
BEHAR: Enjoyed killing 3,000 people?
VENTURA: Because they wanted to go to Iraq. No, they enjoyed the fact that they would be able to carry forth their agenda. Let`s remember as I said earlier, you know, the Golf of Tonkin incident they now admitted it never happened. Well, 58,000 of us died after that little lie.
BEHAR: Yes. Well Robert McNamara -
VENTURA: 58,000 is a lot more than 3,000.
BEHAR: The truth came out with Robert McNamara many years to wait 30 or 40 years?
VENTURA: But how many years - well do we wait 40 or 50 years?
BEHAR: We`ll all be dead then when it comes out.
VENTURA: Not if I keep working.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Okay. I`m not done with you yet. More with Jesse Ventura in a minute. Stay there.
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BEHAR: I`m back with Jesse Ventura. You know you talk about the lone up theory in the book.
VENTURA: Yes.
BEHAR: And it`s interesting to me because all of the assassins in my lifetime have been alone in their assassinations.
VENTURA: Yes and that doesn`t seem peculiar.
BEHAR: It is a little peculiar.
VENTURA: Very peculiar. They never spoke to anyone. They never planned anything with anyone.
BEHAR: Uh huh.
VENTURA: I mean who killed Martin Luther King? Robert Kennedy? John Kennedy. John Lennon? All of them. And here`s another interesting point.
BEHAR: Yes.
VENTURA: In all of these assassinations, there was never, ever a trial for any one of them.
BEHAR: That`s interesting.
VENTURA: Now why wouldn`t there be a trial? Because in trials, facts come out. Witnesses are deposed. And that can lead you --
BEHAR: How can they get away with that?
VENTURA: because they set it up that way. Well it was easy with Oswald, they killed him two days later. With Jack Ruby.
BEHAR: Yes, what do you think -- I remember watching that when I was a kid, I wasn`t that much of a kid but still, they always say where were you with the Kennedy assassination. Everybody knows how old you are so I always say I was in utero. But --
VENTURA: I can tell you honestly, Joy, I was in seventh grade - when it happen.
BEHAR: Okay, well when it happened I remember thinking isn`t that odd that now Jack Ruby kills Oswald. So that puts the clamps on all that information. And then Jack Ruby got cancer and died in jail. The whole thing was suspicious to me.
VENTURA: Absolutely.
BEHAR: Yes.
VENTURA: It should have been suspicious to you. It`s ridiculous. The key -- I`ll tell what you the key is to the Kennedy thing. You have the three bullets, okay? You got the head shot, the magic bullet and the miss. Everyone investigates the head shot and magic bullet. The key is the miss. Because you got to -- with a two second two shots with the hit. So you got to assume the first shot was a near miss. And it struck the curb and injured that Mr. Teague.
BEHAR: Yes.
VENTURA: Okay if you go from where it struck the curb straight back to Kennedy`s limo and a straight line it goes to the second floor of the DOW Text building. If you take it in a straight line up to the Oswald thing he missed by 22 feet high and 33 feet wide.
BEHAR: So what are you saying there were two of them in the building? What are you saying?
VENTURA: No I`m saying there were snipers in the DOW Text building.
BEHAR: Yes.
VENTURA: There was Oswald`s sniper and there was the grassy knoll for the head shot.
BEHAR: Oh boy.
VENTURA: I believe there were three shooter teams.
BEHAR: The other things that interesting you is say all the assassins have a first, middle and last name.
BEHAR: Like Lee Harvey Oswald -
VENTURA: Yes, they teach us that, Lee Harvey Oswald, Mark David Chapman, James Earl Ray.
BEHAR: Kathie Lee Gifford.
VENTURA: Not quite. But, yet, if I looked at you, Joy --
BEHAR: I`m just kidding. The camera. I`m just kidding, Kathy.
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VENTURA: Anyway if you look at the situation of learning the three names.
BEHAR: Yes.
VENTURA: Okay, the most notorious murderer in U.S. history is Charles Manson. What`s his middle name?
BEHAR: I don`t know. But he wasn`t --
VENTURA: Exactly yet - yet you know the middle names - that`s the psychologically put it into your head.
BEHAR: Uh huh.
VENTURA: That this is it.
BEHAR: John Wilkes Booth.
VENTURA: John Wilkes Booth.
BEHAR: See that one we know. Somebody else was there.
VENTURA: Yes.
BEHAR: But that one -- see it took all those years for people to come to that conclusion.
VENTURA: Yes.
BEHAR: Or for people to expose that fact.
VENTURA: And it still it`s not being exposed. Because my nephew was 15 and I asked him what he knew about the assassination of Abraham Lincoln?
BEHAR: Yes.
VENTURA: He knew only John Wilkes Booth, nobody told him that there were eight people convicted, 12 people put to death, including the first woman.
BEHAR: Exactly. Who know about all that stuff about Lincoln? He might have even been gay, Lincoln.
VENTURA: You think so?
BEHAR: Thank you so much for joining us. The book is called --
VENTURA: How do you know all that, Joy?
BEHAR: Because you`re not the only one that knows all this stuff.
VENTURA: You know you`re a conspiracy theorist.
BEHAR: I am a little bit on your page. Okay the book is called "American Conspiracies." buy it. Good night, everybody.
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