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Rielle Hunter Tells All; Lesbian Prom Controversy; Tiger Woods Marriage; Kate Gosselin a Diva?; Jessica Simpson`s Take on Relationships
Aired March 15, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HLN HOST: Tonight on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, Rielle Hunter says John Edwards` right hand man, Andrew Young, was in love with her. Is it possible to have found someone who loved John Edwards more than John Edwards? We`ll talk to Andrew Young about that.
Then will Charlie Sheen be slapped with a fine for allegedly assaulting his wife? Sure would be nice to see someone slap him for a change, wouldn`t it?
And we hear that Kate Gosselin is being a diva on the set of "Dancing with the Stars". Listen Kate, acting out in front of 8 (INAUDIBLE) is one thing. Being a biatch in front of ten desperate celebrities, you`re taking your life in your hands.
That and more starts right now.
John Edwards` baby momma is back. Rielle Hunter told GQ magazine that Edwards predicted the affair would destroy his political career. Telling her, quote, "Falling in love with you could really (EXPLETIVE DELETED) up my plans for becoming president." What a romantic -- he`s a regular Lord Byron, this guy.
Here to give us an insider`s view of l`scandal de Edwards is former Edwards` aide and author of "The Politician", Andrew Young and special correspondent for "Entertainment Tonight" and contributor to the "Daily Beast" Diane Dimond. Welcome to the show.
Andrew, let me start with you. "Falling in love with you could really (EXPLETIVE DELETED) my plans of becoming president." Does that sound like John Edwards to you?
ANDREW YOUNG, FORMER AIDE TO JOHN EDWARDS: Yes.
DIANE DIMOND, CONTRIBUTOR, "DAILY BEAST": A man of few words.
BEHAR: Could you be a little more distinct?
YOUNG: Let me clarify that.
BEHAR: Yes.
YOUNG: Let me clarify that. He never said that to me.
BEHAR: Ok. Do you wish he had?
YOUNG: No.
BEHAR: Ok. Hunter claims that at their first meeting there was mutual, unusual staring going on and that they connected. That`s a very romantic -- I`m verklempt just thinking about it. Do you buy that?
YOUNG: Well, what I understood was that she felt like there was an aura that came off of him and she came up and made some kind of a pass at him saying that she was on TV and that she could help him.
They ended up, to say they connected, they ended up in bed together that night. So yes, obviously they connected.
BEHAR: Yes. But she makes it sound romantic as if it`s like, you know, Romeo and Juliet and basically it was lust, right?
YOUNG: No, John Edwards is not the most romantic type in the world. He takes his wife to Wendy`s for their anniversary, so.
BEHAR: Is that so? Is that a fact?
DIMON: Yes. Yes.
YOUNG: Yes.
BEHAR: With all his money, he`s loaded.
YOUNG: Wendy`s has a really good special on Thursdays.
BEHAR: He could at least go to Chuckie Cheese, for goodness` sake.
DIMOND: Oh, no. Wendy`s is their nostalgic place; that`s where they used to go when they were poor and before he had all the strudels of money that he has now.
BEHAR: Oh, I see. That`s adorable.
She also claims she didn`t know who Edwards was when she first saw him. I don`t buy that, do you?
YOUNG: That`s not what she told me. That`s not what she told me.
BEHAR: Well, she`s saying that in the GQ article.
DIMON: No I don`t buy that at all. This is a woman who ran with the pack, you know she lived in Beverly Hills. She used to pal around with Jay McInerney, the novelist, who wrote about her. You know the "Generation X" -- her character was described as a slut, for example. He talked about her sexual appetite.
So I think this was a woman who knew what she wanted. She wanted famous people. She wanted rich people. She wanted handsome people. And John Edwards is all of those.
YOUNG: And she got stuck with me.
BEHAR: So she was lying, basically? She`s lying in the article when she says that, right?
YOUNG: Yes.
DIMOND: I think, and maybe Andrew Young would agree with me, I think that this whole reason we`re talking about her now is she has decided no one is paying enough attention to her and it`s her turn to talk. She wants to get her version of the story out. GQ is a great forum. I would love to talk about the photos that went with that story.
But I think that she`s spinning this to her best possible -- to show her in the best possible light.
BEHAR: Yes.
YOUNG: But also I would like to point out at the same time that she was dating John Edwards, she was also dating Jeff Goldblum and led Jeff Goldblum to believe that it was his baby as well.
BEHAR: Yes. But she also claims that Edwards knew she was pregnant before he and Elizabeth publicly renewed their vows. That is interesting.
How do you react to that, Andrew?
YOUNG: It doesn`t surprise me. From -- she became pregnant in May, and Elizabeth -- that I know of -- became (INAUDIBLE) of it in October. And he announced for president at the end of December.
BEHAR: But I mean, that`s kind of creepy of him to go out there and publicly renew the vows when he knew that the girl was pregnant and that he was still continuing to think about running for president. That`s outrageous.
YOUNG: Kind of creepy?
DIMOND: Kind of creepy?
BEHAR: I mean, it`s crazy and very disrespectful to the United States of America.
DIMOND: You know, Joy, that was the basis for a piece that I have now on the dailybeast.com. It is this -- the whole idea that they would make a sex tape, a very graphic sex tape, in the middle of a presidential campaign.
And this wasn`t some neophyte running for the presidency. This was his second try. He knew what it was all about. He knew how his wife was going to react. He knew his wife was ill.
And yet there he is reportedly engaging in a sexual encounter with a woman, his own videographer, hello, and she`s videotaping it. What was he thinking? I think he wasn`t thinking with this up here.
BEHAR: No, I don`t think so. But you know, Diane, in your "Daily Beast" article, you say that the sex act that they were doing was, he was - - how should I put this delicately --
DIMOND: I don`t know. You seem to just let it hang out there, Joy.
BEHAR: Well, he was performing oral sex while she was pregnant. That`s the tape. But the thing that got me about your reportage is that he was smiling. Was that a photo-op for him?
DIMOND: Boy, now that`s good way to look at it, I suppose. You know, let me tell you something, I covered politics on Capitol Hill for a lot of years. I`ve covered a lot of famous people. And there comes a time with a lot of them where they think I`m just going to let it go. I`m going to just do what I want to do and none of it matters because I`m going to get what I want.
I get that feeling, that vibe from John Edwards during this time when he was with Rielle Hunter. A guy can have it all. I can have the presidency. I can have a marriage. I can have a mistress. I can have a baby. I can have my own sex tape.
YOUNG: Right.
BEHAR: Well, that`s part of the narcissism, right Andrew? And when Hunter got pregnant, she said Edwards hoped she would get an abortion. You said in your book, that he wanted her to have an abortion. So you`ve been vindicated on that point, right?
YOUNG: Yes, he wanted me to talk her into having an abortion. And that was above my pay grade, so --
BEHAR: It`s fascinating that he didn`t use birth control. I mean, it`s outrageous.
YOUNG: She convinced him that she was physically unable to get pregnant.
DIMOND: Oh, don`t they all?
BEHAR: Sit back for a minute. We`ll be back in exactly 60 seconds with more of the Rielle Hunter scandal tell-all interview. Stay right there.
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BEHAR: We`re back with former John Edwards` aide, Andrew Young, as well as Diane Dimond.
Let`s look at the GQ photos again. She told Barbara Walters she cried for two hours after seeing the photos. What is she crying about, she posed for these pictures, right, Diane?
DIMOND: Oh, boo-hoo-hoo-hoo -- let me get out my violin.
YOUNG: To be fair to her, I took the same pictures and I cried for two hours when they didn`t use them so --
BEHAR: Diane, why is she upset? I mean she did pose for the pictures.
DIMOND: Yes, because it`s not in her menu of options that she wanted to do in controlling her story getting out there, I guess. But come one, she`s a videographer. That`s the way she made her living. She made documentaries and campaign films. She knows what a camera can capture.
What in the world -- you know, note to self, when they tell you to take off your pants and just wear a man`s shirt, something is amiss.
BEHAR: Right. You know, yes, exactly.
Well, you know, all crimes start with a lie, so she lied about the fact that she didn`t know John Edwards.
DIMOND: I think so.
BEHAR: She knew who he was. She`s lying about this. She`s lying about a lot of stuff.
Andrew, you handed over the sex tape in court Friday, the one that they made together, the one we referred to before.
YOUNG: We had handed it over quite some time before. I was really befuddled by the argument, because they were arguing over -- we turned over three suitcases of materials and they were claiming that we had had -- she has an army of attorneys. I`m kind of -- I`m not too sure how a woman, an unemployed woman living off of child support is paying hundreds of thousands for seven attorneys but --
DIMOND: I have an idea.
BEHAR: I do, too.
YOUNG: But the whole thing --
BEHAR: Well, the baby daddy got a checkbook.
YOUNG: That`s right.
But the thing is, they were arguing over -- that we weren`t turning over a flash drive about the size of a cigarette lighter that was lost over two and a half years. And I just didn`t understand the argument, because what was I going to do with them? If I sold them next week, I went to jail. I mean, it just didn`t make any sense.
BEHAR: But you also handed over eight mystery photos. What were those of?
YOUNG: They were pictures of John holding the baby. And they were real pictures of John. The one that I`ve seen in the "National Enquirer" I questioned the validity of it. But they were pictures right after he taped Jay Leno in Los Angeles, they are pictures of him holding the baby and then there were several pictures of him sleeping beside the baby.
BEHAR: I see. Ok.
Now, let me just get to another point here. In a lot of recent publications, Elizabeth Edwards has been painted almost as almost the -- the biatch of all time, the evil monster. Hunter now claims that if Elizabeth had known about the affair, John would be pummeled.
Now, does that sound like her? Was he afraid of Elizabeth and if he was afraid of Elizabeth, why is he having a sex tape with this other woman? I mean, that didn`t make sense to me. What do you think about that?
YOUNG: I worked for the Edwards for the better part of a decade. And Elizabeth has a very -- as you`ve seen -- she has a very genuine and caring and loving side. She also has a side that people, like David Axelrod and other very powerful here (INAUDIBLE) Bob Shrum (ph) can tell you about, that would scare the paint off of the wall.
I mean, so she has two very different sides.
BEHAR: But she gets this rip, I think, Diane, because she`s a woman partly, too.
DIMOND: Well, no.
BEHAR: I mean, is David Axelrod going to say that if the guy --
YOUNG: I would disagree with that.
BEHAR: You would?
YOUNG: I would disagree with that. I mean, I went to their 20-year law school reunion with them. Nobody remembered John Edwards, he was the country bumpkin. Everybody remembered Elizabeth. It has nothing to do with gender and it has nothing to do with her being sick.
You -- you do not -- I don`t care who you are, you do not treat people like they`re beneath you. And that`s just common sense.
DIMOND: Yes, I would tell you, Joy, I have spent quite a bit of time down in North Carolina. I`ve been going to some of the court hearings that you`re talking about with Andrew and his wife. And oddly, Rielle Hunter never seems to show up for her own court case.
But in the hotels, in the shopping malls, in the places the restaurants where I`ve gone, people have said, oh, you`re the one from "Entertainment Tonight" and then they begin to spew about Elizabeth Edwards.
BEHAR: Yes.
DIMOND: And I think it`s the forceful personality rather than the gender I think is what I was getting from the people I was talking to. People just saying she is not just a nice woman.
BEHAR: Yes, ok people do say that.
Andrew, I have to ask you this question, because we know from your book that you claimed paternity, right?
YOUNG: Right, right.
BEHAR: Yes and --
YOUNG: I was thinking about starting a business where I did this for celebrities.
BEHAR: You could be every baby`s daddy. We need you.
But she says that you took the fall for Edwards because quote, "Andrew was in love with Johnny." She calls him Johnny. "He loved Johnny more than he loves his own wife, Sheri." Now, that is quite an accusation. Is she suggesting there was some gay relationship or was this a romance or clear this up right now on my show.
YOUNG: Ok, I can clearly go on record, I didn`t go to jail last week, so I can clearly go on record that I`m not gay. And you`ve seen my wife and met my wife, so I`ll let that speak for itself.
I loved John Edwards, I believed in John Edwards and I clearly believed in the causes that he espoused. But the reason I worked as hard for John Edwards was because I wanted a brighter future for my wife and for my kids and for everybody else. I truly believed in those causes. But to say that I loved John Edwards more than my family is just ridiculous.
BEHAR: Well, she`s implying that you were gay, I think. That`s what she`s implying it sounds like that to me.
YOUNG: Well, you know, I can -- well, I`m not going to say that, I might get in some trouble. I don`t think there`s any doubt that anybody that knows me that I`m not gay.
BEHAR: So you never went --
YOUNG: Not -- and to quote that own Seinfeld line, "not that there`s anything wrong with that."
BEHAR: No, of course not, so I -- so you never went to pottery barns to buy furniture together, is that what I`m hearing?
YOUNG: No.
BEHAR: Ok. Thank you so much Andrew and Diane.
Up next, a national controversy heats up after a school cancels prom night because a lesbian student wanted to bring her girlfriend. I`ll speak to the girl at the center of it, stick around.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up a little later on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, Judge Jeanine Pirro weighs in on Charlie Sheen`s latest legal woes. And a new tell-all-book reveals a side of Martha Stewart that will definitely surprise you.
Now back to Joy.
BEHAR: I was honored over the weekend to receive the Glaad Excellence in Media Award. As far as the gay community goes, there`s probably no higher honor and I thank them for that.
But stories about equal rights don`t just affect the gay community, they affect us all. For example, the Mississippi High School that decided to cancel its prom rather than have one of the lesbian students attend with her girlfriend.
That student is with me now. Constance McMillen joins me along with her lawyer, Christine Sun of ACLU.
Constance, let me start with you. On February 4th, you got a memo from the school saying that you had to attend the prom with someone of the opposite sex. What was your reaction when you got that memo?
CONSTANCE MCMILLEN, WANTED TO ATTEND PROM WITH GIRLFRIEND: Well, I mean, I had known -- I had known about that for like a year or so -- but you know whenever I got it, I just decided that I was going to go and talk to the school principal and maybe try to help him understand, you know. Because I didn`t really look at it like he was trying to discriminate or anything.
I thought maybe he just didn`t really understand how it made me feel. So I went and I talked to him about it and I talked to the vice principal, then the principal, I mean, I went through all of them. And they wouldn`t listen.
BEHAR: They wouldn`t listen. But Christine isn`t it against the law for a school to say something like that?
CHRISTINE SUN, SENIOR COUNSEL, ACLU: Yes that`s definitely against the law.
BEHAR: Yes.
SUN: I mean there are many court cases that say that schools can`t force students to hide their sexual orientation. And that`s what this policy does. It requires Constance to go to the prom with a girlfriend and pretend like they`re straight.
BEHAR: To pretend like they are straight but it seems like you put something like that in writing and you`re already discriminating against these people and that`s against the law. So she had a case right there.
SUN: Right, exactly. And that`s why we got involved.
BEHAR: What was behind the decision to cancel the prom? Was the school trying to turn classmates against you, Constance?
MCMILLEN: Well, I don`t know. I can`t really say that. But I mean, it`s -- it`s seems like it but I don`t really matter -- I don`t -- I mean, it did make a lot of people hate me.
BEHAR: I know. It`s unfortunate, very sad. But they also objected to you wearing a tuxedo. I have to ask you this, were you trying to push the envelope by wearing a tuxedo? I mean you could have gone with your girlfriend with a dress, no?
MCMILLEN: No. I mean that wasn`t my reason for wearing a tux. I just wanted to wear a tux because I felt more comfortable, like I don`t have to worry about anything about falling out or anything all that.
BEHAR: I can relate. I like a tuxedo, too. It`s very -- why not dress with a tuxedo. Men have been getting away with being comfortable their whole lives in suits. It`s true.
Ok, ladies, sit tight. We`ll be back in a minute.
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BEHAR: I`m back with Constance McMillen, the Mississippi high school student whose school cancelled the prom rather than let her attend with her girlfriend. Her lawyer Christine Sun is also here.
Constance, people wrote some Facebook and Twitter questions for you. I want to ask you a couple of those. This person wants to know why did you announce it in the first place? Why didn`t you and your girlfriend just go separately and meet up there at the prom?
MCMILLEN: Well, because I`m the kind of person that likes to get permission you know rather than forgiveness. I mean I`d rather -- even though it`s easier, I would still rather go ahead and get permission and it was -- I already knew it was a policy. So that`s why I had to go talk to them about it.
BEHAR: She was destined to do the right thing and then she gets punished for it. This is for you. Is there any question why gay teenagers have a higher suicide rate than other heterosexual teenagers when even the schools they go to discriminate against them? It`s not just enough the peer pressure, it comes down from the top.
SUN: I think that`s definitely one of the struggles that gay teenagers face is negative reactions from teachers or from administrators. There have been students that have been told that being gay is against the Bible or that being gay is a sin by their principals and that`s the type of situation that we hear about a lot.
BEHAR: Constance, this question is for you. Your school and classmates are uncomfortable about you. Do you really think they would have treated you nicely at the prom?
MCMILLEN: Well, you know, I think that it`s actually more the parents that are uncomfortable with it. I mean, when my superintendent told me that it could make someone feel uncomfortable, there are a few people that are uncomfortable with it, but a lot of people just think that the school made it into more than it actually was.
BEHAR: How has your girlfriend responded to all of this, how is she feeling about it?
MCMILLEN: She`s supportive of me and stuff. I mean, she`s heard people say stuff about me, but she -- no one has ever said anything like to her or about her.
BEHAR: How long have you been out, Constance?
MCMILLEN: Since eighth grade.
BEHAR: Since eighth grade. Was it tough for you to come out?
MCMILLEN: No. I mean, I`ve always just been myself, so I don`t really -- you know.
BEHAR: I think I read something about your father sort of telling you to go back to the school and face them so that they would see what happened there. Tell me about your dad for a minute.
MCMILLEN: My dad is -- yes, he said that. He`s always been the kind to like, he has really good morals and stuff and he wants to put those -- give those to me. Him and my grandmother is really where I got my character from. I try to be like them.
BEHAR: That`s great that you have parents like that. All parents of gay children should be like that.
Now, just to conclude, there`s a ritzy hotel in the area that`s donating their hotel for the prom. So are you going to go to that prom. Is that happening, do you know about it?
SUN: We`ve gotten a lot of offers to hold the prom. You know, we`re fighting for the school to reinstate the school prom. That`s the point so that all the students can go to the prom and be themselves.
But there are folks that are planning another prom. For example, the Mississippi State Schools Coalition has another prom that they plan every year, it`s called the Second Chance Prom. This year they`re going to hold it in Constance`s community.
BEHAR: That`s good. So that will be everybody can go to that.
SUN: Yes. Exactly.
BEHAR: That`s great. Ladies, thank you very much for joining me.
Up next, Charlie Sheen was in court again today. Stay tuned to find out if he`ll have to serve time.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up a little later on "The Joy Behar Show," a new tell-all book about Martha Stewart offers some stunning revelation. And is Kate Gosselin already making trouble on the set of "Dancing With The Stars"? Now back to Joy.
BEHAR: Well, Charlie Sheen pleaded not guilty today the charges stemming from his alleged assault on his wife, Brooke Mueller. Joining me to discuss the details of the case is the fabulous Judge Jeanine Pirro, former district attorney and host of "The Judge Jeanine Pirro Show." okay let`s talk about this. Was Sheen`s not guilty plea expected?
JUDY JEANINE PIRRO, "THE JUDGE JEANNE PIRRO" SHOW,: Well there was talk that he was going -- that he wanted to plead guilty but the D.A. will only allow him to plead to a felony. So look you only plead to a felony or we are going to trail. So he pleads not guilty today. The case is set for trial. But here`s the reason why the D.A. didn`t want to allow him to plead to a misdemeanor or plead no contest.
BEHAR: Why?
PIRRO: He`s got a 1997 plea for misdemeanor battery, no contest involving a girlfriend. He`s got Denise Richards who got an order protection against him claiming that he pushed her down while she was holding a baby. There are many complaints against him. And here`s what I think is fascinating, the D.A. knows that Denise Richards has filed for an order of protection. You have to file a sworn statement. As a result of that, he`s indicated he`s going to call her to trial. And that sworn statement --
BEHAR: Denise.
PIRRO: Denise Richards can be used in a crime in a charge against Charlie Sheen as it relates to Brooke Mueller. The other hook here is that he goes into precautionary rehab. Have you ever heard of that?
BEHAR: No.
PIRRO: What does that mean, like I may get into trouble so I go into rehab. Do you expect -- drugs, alcohol, which rehab?
BEHAR: It`s a pre-emptive strike against getting penalized, right?
PIRRO: But you know why because they didn`t understand it?
BEHAR: Why?
PIRRO: Now know why, because his bail will be revoked if he admits if he had a drink after he allegedly assaulted her. Therefore, what he`s got to do is say I`m going into precautionary rehab so I don`t have to lie to the judge and say I had a drink. In which case they`ll revoke my bail.
BEHAR: I see.
PIRRO: It`s kind of complicated.
BEHAR: It`s very complicated.
PIRRO: But he`s smart. He`s got good legal advice.
BEHAR: Okay but how much jail time is he going to get?
PIRRO: He faces five years on this. And let me tell you Colorado is not fooling around here. The assistant D.A. on that case is very clear. We`re send manage a message of zero tolerance. This guy had a problem in `97. He had a problem a few years ago. There`s been orders to protection issued against him, there was an open knife that he allegedly threatened her with. But then again you`ve got this popular guy who is supposedly the most well-paid guy in television.
BEHAR: Yes he is very highly paid --
PIRRO: Yes.
BEHAR: It`s a very popular show but is he going to go to jail or is he going to be community service where he`s picking up trash like Naomi Campbell in the LIA or something?
PIRRO: Well we won`t even go there with her. But I would be afraid to write the LIE at that point.
BEHAR: Yes.
PIRRO: Wow she is scary. Yes she is.
BEHAR: Who is scarier to you, Charlie Sheen or Naomi?
PIRRO: Naomi, without a doubt. No, okay but here`s the thing, he wanted to plead to a misdemeanor with no time. The D.A. is willing to have him plead to a felony with no time. So the guy doesn`t belong in jail. He either has an alcohol or drug abuse problem. He needs help. He`s supposedly getting the help but it may be a little too late.
BEHAR: Okay but what about his show, is he going to go back to his show?
PIRRO: Yes.
BEHAR: He is.
PIRRO: Yes, he is. And he`s got great ratings.
BEHAR: The show must go on. No matter how many you hit.
PIRRO: People love it.
BEHAR: That`s unbelievable.
PIRRO: I`m not saying that one.
BEHAR: Why -- allegedly --
PIRRO: Allegedly.
BEHAR: The covers your ass right there.
PIRRO: Thank you. And mine.
BEHAR: And yours.
Okay let`s move on, this stalker, you know about this stalker, right, what is his name, Erin Andrews.
PIRRO: Oh yes.
BEHAR: The woman the reporter that he stalked. He just got -- he was videotaping her in her hotel rooms.
PIRRO: Right. Right.
BEHAR: He just got -- we just found out he got 30 months in jail.
PIRRO: They gave him 30 months?
BEHAR: Yes. We just found out.
PIRRO: Okay that just came across.
BEHAR: Is that long enough?
PIRRO: That`s very long for this kind of crime. There are women across this country who have had problems like this, who have been stalked, video. Voyeurism is very rampant and these guys don`t get any jail time at all. And here`s the amazing thing. She wanted $335,000 in restitution. I don`t know if she got it. But she could sue those hotels because if I call a hotel and say, is some guy that admire, what room is he in and they give that information out, that`s a violation of your privacy.
BEHAR: Do they do that?
PIRRO: Yes that`s how we found out what hotel room she was in.
BEHAR: Well what hotel is this?
PIRRO: The hotel she was staying in.
BEHAR: Tell us now so we don`t go there. Do you know what it was?
PIRRO: No, I didn`t know about it until a couple few months ago. But I`m not -- but I don`t remember it`s name.
BEHAR: Well this guy says that the crime --
PIRRO: It is a crime.
BEHAR: Or whatever you want to call it, isn`t that severe. It`s not traditional stalking because he wasn`t in the hotel room with her.
PIRRO: Hogwash. He may have pled to other that be that crime. But it`s called interstate stalking. It`s a federal crime, he was crossing state lines, he was drilling holes, putting cameras in the peep holes. And watching her. It`s video voyeurism.
BEHAR: It`s really creepy.
PIRRO: It`s creepy. And here is this guy, he`s an insurance executive, no criminal record. How dumb was he to look at her naked? I mean do you have to do that these days?
BEHAR: Well peeping toms and exhibitionists are like the lowest most creepiest of them all.
PIRRO: Isn`t there a hotel down here in the meat packing district where they invite people to do that? I mean he didn`t have to cross state lines to do that.
BEHAR: I guess so. Let`s move on to Tiger Woods.
PIRRO: Yes.
BEHAR: Okay apparently the night of his crash, paramedics suspected domestic violence. Duh, duh.
PIRRO: Duh, duh.
BEHAR: But the police report doesn`t seem to reflect that. So what happened? Why is this only coming out now?
PIRRO: I`m going to answer your question by asking a few questions. Number one, the guy hit a tree, a hedge and a fire hydrant. Why wasn`t he charged with reckless driving?
BEHAR: Because he`s a celebrity.
PIRRO: They gave him a pass to careless driving. She admits to the police he had taken vicodin earlier. Why wasn`t he charged with driving under the influence? They then asked the D.A. to give them the blood/alcohol to see what drugs he was taking before he got in the car to drive in the morning.
BEHAR: Yes.
PIRRO: The D.A. wouldn`t go for it. There`s another pass. And now they say she chased the car with golf club that he had a cut flip. You know that the inside of the foyer was destroyed. Do you remember the paneled vans that went there a few days later to Tiger`s house and everybody said she`s moving out? My information is that they were repaneling the foyer because she was going after him with a golf club there. And if the truth is that car she was chasing, the SUV, that`s why they didn`t let her in.
BEHAR: Uh huh.
PIRRO: I mean, he got so many passes here.
BEHAR: But isn`t it interesting how when he gave his little speech, he made it a point to say there was no domestic violence, protecting his wife.
PIRRO: That night or any other night.
BEHAR: Yes, yes so he was just covering for her.
PIRRO: Do you think he`s trying to get back in his good graces? I mean, come on.
BEHAR: Well he wants to get back into the Masters in April.
PIRRO: That`s right.
BEHAR: Is what he wants to do.
PIRRO: That`s right.
BEHAR: It`s all about, you know, getting his career back, getting Nike back on board with him, even though they never left him really. But they could.
PIRRO: And everybody can renegotiate with him. Everybody who left him can renegotiate with at a lesser fee.
BEHAR: Oh yes.
PIRRO: And you know what`s interesting about the Masters? Is that that is the height of decorum and propriety. Nobody is going to be stalking at him, yelling you know while he`s looking at a put. And that Joslyn James, that porn star, whoever she is won`t be able to harass him, you know, from the gallery.
BEHAR: But what do you -- as a woman what do you make of this marriage, do you think it`s going to continue, I mean can they patch this up?
PIRRO: I got to tell you, I mean I don`t know. Everybody has had their issues but you don`t want to hear that you know he loved it from behind and he was pulling my pony tail. He was in bed with me when he found out his father died. I mean who needs to hear that stuff?
BEHAR: He loves me from behind and he was pulling my pony tail? You`re reading this rather closely, Jeanine.
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BEHAR: I missed that whole part.
PIRRO: What I`m saying to myself is how could a wife survive this. It`s one thing to know your husband fooled around.
BEHAR: Yes.
PIRRO: It`s another to know what kind of sex he had with these women, these pigs that they are, that`s what they are. And that`s what they are.
BEHAR: Alleged pigs.
PIRRO: No, they`re pigs. They`re all pigs. We went through this before.
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BEHAR: Yes we`ve talked about it many times, okay, now finally, former teen idol Corey Haim will be buried tomorrow this kid. I mean how old was he? He was like 40 almost. To me he`s a kid.
The official cause of death is still pending but now the actor has been linked to an illegal drug ring in Southern California.
PIRRO: Right. Right.
BEHAR: Now what it will mean if they find drugs that drugs caused his death? Isn`t it just another drug addict who obtained drugs illegally?
PIRRO: But you see here`s the thing. The guy clearly died of a drug overdose, I don`t think there`s going to be any surprises here. The issue is he had dozens of doctors, dozens pharmacies, mostly legal drugs but it involved an illicit drug ring. And what that means is they were stealing the script pads, you know the stuff you get at the doctor`s office?
BEHAR: Yes.
PIRRO: Stealing the identity and signatures of doctors. Filling in the scripts and then he would take them to a pharmacy. This is what we have to do. These celebrities have concierge doctors who give them anything. The pharmacies in every state have to be regulated. So when Corey Haim`s name comes in, they see how many Vicodins or Oxycontin`s he`s gotten from others and they can stop this. The kid was unfortunately addicted according to his agent, trying to get better but he died because we allowed it.
BEHAR: But isn`t there a database that we cross connect all of these facts?
PIRRO: And there should be, and the attorney general in California will go after this. And I think we`re reaching a new culture now where doctors are going to be fearful. As well they should be of just assigning people whatever drugs -- Oh I need some Ambian, oh I need some Oxycontin, I need some Vicodins. It`s out of control now.
BEHAR: Is this peculiar to Hollywood or is it everywhere?
PIRRO: I think it`s everywhere. I think the government and law enforcement has an obligation to find out how many -- but then you get the Michael Jacksons who use aliases so that the names come into six different places. Maybe they can do a crosscheck of addresses or payments, where are they coming from, where are the bills going to. This is stuff that can be stopped. These are legal drugs basically being used to kill people. It`s no different, some of these doctors and drug dealers on the street.
BEHAR: You can always find somebody else to call another doctor and ask for Vicodin, too.
PIRRO: Right. Yes.
BEHAR: So they`re in cahoots with each other. I guess that`s what this drug ring means.
PIRRO: Exactly but the drug ring is even more illicit. It involves people who are stealing the scripts, filling them out, using the doctor`s signature. You know identity theft is rampant in this country.
BEHAR: I know.
PIRRO: They can take is signature and duplicate it on a script.
BEHAR: Maybe they should do something with finger printing like they`re suggesting to do for terrorists. You know maybe there`s some finger print --
PIRRO: Yes but that would cost a fortune and take forever to get involved. It`s very easy. All these drugs -- they have to be licensed, they have to be prescribed. And we could do runs and prevent all this.
BEHAR: Okay, Jeanine, thank you. Always a pleasure to see you and to hear all of your brilliant expertise.
PIRRO: It`s good to be with you.
BEHAR: I mean it. Up next, is Martha Stewart is she having man troubles? Find out after the break.
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BEHAR: Martha Stewart`s former bff has written a tell-all about the domestic diva. Not a good idea. Martha will make mincemeat out of her and serve with a side of broccoli ahb. Here to discuss that is Alonzo Bodden, comedian and host the travel channel`s "America`s Worst Driver." entertainment journalist and columnist for "Soap Opera Digest" Carolyn Hinzey. And Joe Levy, editor in chief of Maxim Magazine.
Apparently Martha has allegedly had a fling. She -- with a wealthy banker and then he dumped her and supposedly she was stalking him, according to this book. Do you think she packs a special lunch for when she stalks men?
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BEHAR: You know what I mean?
JOE LEVY, EDITOR IN CHIEF, "MAXIM": I think she has a special everything for when she stalks men. She got the right binoculars, she got that little chair that folds out that you can take everywhere.
BEHAR: Kind of like Dora the Explorer.
LEVY: Yes exactly.
ALONZO BODDEN, COMEDIAN: Maybe she has a stalker van that`s fully equipped with the kitchen, and you know like he said the binoculars, everything. She`s ready to camp out and watch him for a while.
LEVY: A nice light stalking menu, it`s a scone. It`s a nice homemade scone.
BEHAR: Right.
LEVY: And some thermos and some earl grey tea. It`s good. It`s a good thing. Yes.
BEHAR: Spending little jam. But you know, let me ask you Carolyn because the author paints Martha as a desperate woman who can`t live without a men. I find this a little hard to believe. She says quote "Martha can be as naive as a little girl with men." That doesn`t sound like our Martha.
CAROLYN HINSEY, COLUMINST, SOAP OPERA DIGEST: Well first of all her husband left her in `89 for her assistant. So how naive can she be 20 years later?
BEHAR: She should have gotten it after that.
HINSEY: Right.
BEHAR: That`s right. How about, Martha was so desperate for a new husband. Each time she met a new man she liked, Martha heard wedding bells. Do you buy it, Joe?
LEVY: I don`t believe that. If you said she was desperate for arugula, that I`m going to buy straight away. Listen to be perfectly honest, it`s possible. It is possible. Look, we know she`s great at gardening, cooking all the things. She`s got the dogs, all that. But is there a man in her life and could she feel that need, that loneliness late at night when the lights are off, you know.
BEHAR: And the music is playing.
HINSEY: They make things for that.
LEVY: Oh wow, okay.
HINSEY: They makes things for people --
BEHAR: What do you think, Alonzo? Come on.
BODDEN: Well I think it might be true. I think Martha -- because her whole image is the powerful CEO woman in charge.
BEHAR: Yes.
BODDEN: And you know a lot of these CEOs, they find out these are the guys who put on diapers and pay women to spank them. Like they have a whole secret life going on.
BEHAR: Yes.
BODDEN: So maybe when you know the camera is not rolling, and Martha is not in the kitchen, there could be a whole other side of Martha that is some weird, romantic freak.
BEHAR: Stop me. You`re getting me so excited.
LEVY: I got to tell you when she mentioned the devices, I thought maybe it`s a hand cranked beater Martha uses. Like she got some, you know, right?
HINSEN: With pink threads. And little roses.
BEHAR: All right, let`s move on to Kate Gosselin. She`s got another story here. "The New York Post" is reporting that the mother of eight is being a total diva on the set of "Dancing With The Stars," snubbing the other contestants and crew members. Is this a surprise?
HINSEY: Well, it`s not a surprise to me that they`re upset her uterus is sucking up all the fake tan.
BEHAR: Get this, she`s making supposedly $75,000 an episode. More than any other dancer. Maybe that`s why they`re jealous of her, maybe reporting that she`s being a diva, maybe, what do you think?
LEVY: Yes I`m sure it`s just jealousy. No, I`m sure it`s not the case because we`ve never seen Kate Gosselin be mean on television for years to a man she`s no longer married to. It`s not like she`s cold and controlling and difficult and critical. That`s not her. I never saw that on TV.
BEHAR: Yes, okay. I guess maybe you have a point. Does that type of woman turn you on at all?
BODDEN: No, not at all. I limit my women to four kids. Once they have eight, like four, maybe five, I got a team. But there is no need for eight. I don`t her, the team and the bench players.
HINSEY: Watch I`d be the ninth kid.
BODDEN: I don`t need all that.
BEHAR: What Al?
BODDEN: She`s used to yelling at eight kids, she goes to work, she yells at the cast and crew. It`s just habit.
BEHAR: But do you think that Pamela Anderson and Shannon Daurtry is going to take that? Come on.
BODDEN: Shannon is going to hit her. Shannon is going to knock her out. It is only a matter of time.
BEHAR: She`s going to hit her.
BODDEN: Shannon don`t take that from nobody.
BEHAR: This could be good.
HINSEY: It could be good.
So wait do you expect her to go shopping with like Pamela Anderson and get like new brass and eve barbed wire tattoos?
BEHAR: It`s possible.
HINSEY: She`s got 700 kids at home. She`s in the basement with Tony Daviloni.
BEHAR: Who?
HINSEY: Her dance partner.
BEHAR: I think it`s fascinating you know his name.
BODDEN: They had a -- (INAUDIBLE).
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BEHAR: Now some reports say that she`s not spending much time with her eight kids because she`s practicing for "Dancing With The Stars." I don`t think that`s fair. The girl has to make some money to support these brats, no?
BODDEN: Well you`re in training. I guess when you are in training you`re entitled to just abandon your kids and then they can do another reality show, of those eight kids. It`s like eight without Jon and Kate. So they`re going to spin off and they`re going to do their own thing -- the eight kids got their own thing going.
BEHAR: You think so? Possible. Would you watch it?
LEVY: Oh yes it`s totally possible. I would. I think I do watch it. I think it`s happening even now. No, listen, she -- to be fair to her, she says she`s away three days a week and she makes a lot of meals in advance for the kids to eat when she`s not there, which terrifyingly sounds like no one is there feeding them.
BEHAR: No maybe Martha Stewart should go take care of her kids.
HINSEY: Go take care of her kids. She`s apparently got time to stalk people. Why not?
BEHAR: Right go make food for the Gosselin kids. Okay everyone sit tight. Jessica Simpson dished about John Mayer on my other show today. I want to get your take next.
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BEHAR: Jessica Simpson appeared on "The View" this morning and talked about John Mayer calling her a sexual napalm. Listen.
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JESSICA SIMPSON, ACTRESS/SINGER: It`s more embarrassing because I`ll walk into a restaurant or something and I notice more men are looking at me but I feel like they`re undressing me. So it`s a little bit embarrassing.
BARBARA: Have you said anything to him about this?
SIMPSON: Oh, no.
BARBARA: You haven`t talked to him?
SIMPSON: No. He`ll never have this napalm again.
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BEHAR: Well sexually I`ve never been compared to napalm. I have been likened to the Vietnam War however because it was long, drawn out and a nightmare for all involved. So it`s kind of the same thing. You know, Barbara, Carolyn, Barbara said that being compared to sexual napalm could be considered a compliment. Do yaw agree?
HINSEY: She`s lucky. All she was known for before was not knowing tuna from chicken.
BEHAR: Exactly.
HINSEY: Now she walks in a restaurant and everybody`s looking at her.
LEVY: Sure. She was known for wearing jeans that didn`t fit that well.
BEHAR: So this is hot.
LEVY: It`s a step up. It`s a step up.
BODDEN: When you`re packing 38 gs, which my estimate at what I saw, and you`re in a skin tight leopard dress and walk in and say, all the men are looking at me, I can`t imagine why. I don`t know. It`s some kind of discrimination.
BEHAR: What do you mean when she`s packing the 38 jeans?
BODDENS: The 38 gs.
BEHAR: Oh. I thought you were talking about the jeans.
BODDENS: No. I didn`t know, was she wearing jeans?
BEHAR: She`s very nice. She`s a pretty girl.
BODDEN: She`s a hottie who sells like she`s the sex bomb. Why is she surprised? If you`re a sex bomb, I think napalm`s pretty good.
HINSEY: I think it`s the best thing that ever happened to her.
BEHAR: You do?
HINSEY: She doesn`t want people talk about her, put the mom jeans back on.
BEHAR: Oh she also talked about the possibility of dating a non- famous person. Listen to this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Went out with Billy Korgen. A musician. You are no longer talking to John Mayer. You and Tony Romo, you`re friends with Tony Romo. But you are not together. And Nick Lachey, you`re not together.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s a lot of high-profile relationships. Does that mean, like, you know, because they`re high profile can a plumber step up to the forefront?
SIMPSON: Absolutely. Bring it on. I always need a plumber.
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BEHAR: Do you think she`s ever going to date a plumber?
HINSEY: No, her pipes are fine according to John Mayer.
BEHAR: Maybe even a little rusty. No?
BODDEN: Do you know how happy Joe the plumber got in that moment? Just right then Joe fell out of his chair.
BEHAR: But this guy, Mayer, is like another case of kissing and telling like Martha Stewart`s so-called bff, isn`t it? It`s kind of nasty. What is that about -- when you are someone -- you`re friends with them then write a book and tell all these things. I don`t like that.
LEVY: no, it is not a good thing. I think we can all agree, it`s not good. Mayer, he wants attention. He`s trying to be funny and, you know --
HINSEY: Mayer should shut up and write a song.
BEHAR: No but he also made that racist -- so-called racist comment trying to be cool, right? You know. I don`t remember what it was. But whatever it was.
BODDEN: Yes. Well I`ve been trying to get somebody to write about me in a book. I could, you know --
BEHAR: Maybe Sherry Shepard could write -- you know her.
BODDEN: I`ll take a shoot.
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BEHAR: Okay thanks for joining me. Catch Alonzo on "America`s Worst Driver" Sunday at 10:00 p.m. on the Travel Channel. Good night, everybody. Good night, Jessica.
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