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Jesse James` Bimbo Eruption?; Democrats Receiving Threats
Aired March 26, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HOST: Tonight on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, remember when most women were embarrassed to be a mistress? Not anymore. Jesse James` fourth playmate is ready for her close-up.
Then, Tiger Woods has announced he`s going to hold a press conference. Why doesn`t he just send out texts instead? He`s good at that.
And "Dog the Bounty Hunter" is tough as nails when he`s chasing down criminals, but I`ll tell you, he`s as gentle as a lamb around me. I guess I just bring out the softer side of men.
That and more right now.
Well, this week Sandra Bullock`s estranged husband Jesse James joined Tiger Woods in the serial texter hall of fame. What`s with all these text messages? Good thing these guys have the "friends in broken family" plan, that`s all I have to say.
Here to talk Jesse, Tiger and more are "Celebrity Apprentice" contestant and author and very funny comedian, "When You Lie about Your Age, the Terrorists Win", comedian Carol Leifer; also, actress and Grammy- award winning singer Jill Scott; and senior editor of "In Touch Weekly", Noah Levy.
Noah, let me start with you. Now there is a third mistress and a fourth one. Her name is -- the third one`s name is Brigitte Daguerre (ph). What do you know about it?
NOAH LEVY, SENIOR EDITOR, "IN TOUCH WEEKLY": Well, you know what? What all these girls -- wait, and another mistress just came out right now, I think -- what all these girls have in common is hundreds of text messages, e-mails, voice mails. I mean this is a guy that the trail he left is so huge, and there is a lot of proof that all of them have. There is going to be more girls coming out.
And number four is actually repped by Gloria Allred.
BEHAR: Yes. Did you hear that? Gloria is repping her.
CAROL LEIFER, COMEDIAN: Yes. Well, isn`t she the go-to gal for the mistress du jour now? You call Gloria Allred, that`s your first phone call.
BEHAR: Yes. She`s making a cottage industry for herself.
LEIFER: Completely.
BEHAR: And they all -- but you know, years ago, it used to be you had one mistress and that was like the big thing, they made movies about it.
This is like a new thing, isn`t it, with these mass numbers?
LEVY: Do you know what? I think it is really all the same, but the thing is with technology, you can really track who has more mistresses. And these women are making businesses off of coming out as being someone`s mistress.
JILL SCOTT, GRAMMY AWARD-WINNING SINGER: Maybe they learned something at this point. Because --
BEHAR: Like what?
SCOTT: If you get a ho -- then your ho`ll probably make money off of you. Don`t text message. Don`t be sloppy.
BEHAR: This girl, this new one, Brigitte, she has 195 texts she claims will prove the relationship. But she says she only had sex four times with him. I did the math. Four into 195 means she had to text 48.5 times to have one encounter -- sexual encounter. That is a lot of foreplay, isn`t it?
LEIFER: It is. It`s overwhelming.
LEVY: Yes.
BEHAR: All that texting is foreplay, really.
LEIFER: Yes. You know, I have to say about Sandra Bullock, you know I wrote for the Oscars, and I wrote Sandra Bullock`s presentation, so I got to, you know, interface with her. She`s such a lovely, great person.
BEHAR: Nice girl. I know.
LEIFER: I feel so terrible for her. I mean, the only way I think it could be worse is if Jesse James started to see a tattoo model whose photographed wearing a Nazi hat, and it is Meryl Streep. That would be the end.
BEHAR: That would put Sandra her over the top.
LEIFER: Help.
BEHAR: Jill, there is a lot of this texting -- why do men do it, do you think?
SCOTT: I don`t know. I guess they`re trying to be sneaky or --
BEHAR: Do they think they`ll never get caught?
SCOTT: Maybe. Maybe that`s what it is. Maybe they don`t care. I don`t know what goes on behind people`s closed doors, if their wives are wild enough or exotic enough or enough for them. If that`s the case, you shouldn`t have gotten married.
BEHAR: For some men, it is never enough.
Let me ask you, Carol, you`ve been on both sides of the fence.
LEIFER: Both sides of the, you mean --
BEHAR: The fence. Well, you know --
LEIFER: Straight and now I`m gay.
BEHAR: Now, you`re gay. Right.
So who is a bigger dog? Who are the bigger dogs, men or women?
LEIFER: Oh, God, men. Men, completely.
BEHAR: Yes?
LEIFER: My relationship with my lady friend, what a pleasure. So honest. I mean honestly, the first time we got together she said she was going to call me the next day, and she did.
BEHAR: Wow, shocking, isn`t it?
LEIFER: Like a whole new world. It is amazing. We really have a fantastic, really much better.
BEHAR: I guess men are just -- they got all that testosterone they don`t know what to do with it.
This woman, this Brigitte -- I can just say her name all day long -- Brigitte Daguerre told RadarOnline that Jesse James was a dud in bed and only cared about himself. That is shocking to me. He seems so giving.
LEVY: He is giving. He was giving it all to, maybe, 14 women. I mean, who knows?
BEHAR: The other mistress, Michelle McGee, apparently has a Nazi fetish. Now, who in this group is turned on by a Nazi fetish? What is that about?
SCOTT: That would be me.
BEHAR: Noah, I understand that divorce papers are being drawn up as we speak.
LEVY: A lot of people are saying the divorce is obviously going to happen very soon. But the thing is, I`m going to tell everyone, don`t be surprised if it is going to take a little bit longer. I mean you never really know.
Everyone thought that Elin was going to leave Tiger. Lo and behold, Elin is still with Tiger. A woman can change her mind in a second and a man can be very convincing when he`s very guilty.
BEHAR: Shouldn`t they be worried about, you know, diseases, these women?
LEVY: Listen, I mean, if you`re going to be sleeping with that many women and your woman is as high profile as Sandra Bullock, you should be using a condom. Now if the rumors are accurate, he was not using a condom with the majority of these women.
BEHAR: Which ones now, is this you`re talking about? I can`t keep track of them. They all have named James -- they all have James.
LEVY: Yes. With Michelle McGee, there were allegations with her that they were having unsafe sex.
BEHAR: And Michelle is with --
LEVY: Is the one --
BEHAR: Jesse.
LEVY: Michelle is the one with the most tattoos and the swastika allegedly.
BEHAR: Bombshell McGee they call her.
SCOTT: We make it seem like you can only have -- or only get venereal diseases through having sex, using a condom or finish all that. There`s stuff going on in the mouth too. You have to pay attention.
BEHAR: Jill --
SCOTT: I`m serious.
BEHAR: Jill, this is a family show.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: What do you know about these claims that the ex-wife wants Sandra Bullock to retain some kind of access to her child?
LEVY: Well, what Janine was saying -- Janine is Jesse`s ex-wife.
BEHAR: Ex-wife, the porn star too.
LEVY: She was a porn star --
BEHAR: -- who is in jail for some white collar crime -- tax evasion.
LEVY: Tax evasion. She lives in a halfway house right now. She -- I mean she too is covered in tattoos.
But, what she was saying is that Sandra did a great job taking care of her daughter Sunny while she was locked up. She said I want -- no matter what happens I want her to retain a relationship with my daughter.
BEHAR: Ok. Well, that may be nice. What do you think?
LEIFER: You know what? I really do hope, I mean, that they can work it out. I saw them together at the Academy Awards. I saw them at the Vanity Fair party. I asked Jesse to take a picture of me with Sandra Bullock and he was so -- I mean you get a vibe from a couple. And I know that it is really going way off course here, and with the, you know, the woman with the Nazi stuff, unless they`re doing a remake of "Hogan`s Heroes" that was like the dumbest thing to do ever.
But I really hope that they can work it out.
BEHAR: I do too.
Let me change horn dogs in midstream here. A 15th Tiger mistress --
LEIFER: Oh, my God.
BEHAR: I can`t do this anymore -- came forward this week. Does anything with Tiger surprise you anymore?
LEIFER: Not at all. I mean, this is -- how could this guy do so well at golf? That`s what I don`t get. The putter is everywhere else but on the golf course.
BEHAR: It is kind of bipolarish in a certain way that he can turn off everything and hit that ball the way he does.
LEVY: I would have to -- I`m surprised Elin is back with him. Who is to say that in a year another mistress won`t come out and say I was still seeing him when he got back together with Elin?
BEHAR: Yes. This one`s name is Devin James -- see, another James.
LEVY: Another James.
BEHAR: And he was with her for two and a half years and he paid for a threesome with her. Does that shock you?
SCOTT: How much did she get?
BEHAR: Ok. I spoke to another one of Tiger`s alleged mistress porn stars Joslyn James -- maybe they`re all related.
LEIFER: That`s so weird.
BEHAR: Maybe this is some kind of weird --
LEIFER: The James clan.
LEVY: Yes.
LEIFER: The old king family.
BEHAR: I spoke to this particular James woman and I asked her about those very graphic texts from Tiger. And this is what she said.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JOSLYN JAMES, TIGER WOODS ALLEGED MISTRESS: Those things actually did occur. And those were some things that he wanted to try in the bedroom, different kinds of role playing.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: Role playing. Now how many --
LEIFER: Was that her and then was that a mannequin of her with Gloria Allred?
LEVY: She had a different -- she had a different hairdo. She wants to change up her look for media appearances.
BEHAR: Gloria is representing her, one of the other James girl. Gloria is going to be so mixed up.
All right. How about role playing? Have you tried that?
LEVY: Yes, I mean, he loves golf so much when they`re in the bedroom, he puts out the green, they`re playing golf, doing everything. He likes to incorporate that.
BEHAR: Well, you know, she`s -- the wife, Elin, which I don`t -- I don`t think she`ll stay with him. Eventually she`ll be out of there. She`s taking the kids to Sweden during the Masters. Is Sweden far enough way, do you think? Should she go to somewhere -- Iceland, Greenland, somewhere else, Australia is good.
SCOTT: She`s going to go back to being a nanny after this?
BEHAR: I don`t think so, honey. I think she`s going to get plenty of do re mi.
LEVY: She doesn`t even care about a big enough kid right now and that`s Tiger.
BEHAR: He`s going to answer some questions now. He has another press conference coming up and he`s going to take questions.
Is there anything you think they should ask? What are they going to ask him? Are you a dog? Are you as hostile as you were to that girl? She`s very hostile.
I want to choke you. I want to slap you. He calls her, "My bitch". It`s really sick stuff.
LEVY: Yes. I mean, I`m --
BEHAR: And when I asked this Joslyn, you heard her, she said that "he actually did those things to me"; it wasn`t just like talk.
LEVY: I believe her, I mean, this is -- this is a guy who`s been one of the most fascinating stories of like the past ten years.
BEHAR: Yes.
LEVY: And I hate to say it, but I think we`re going to be talking about it for a lot longer.
BEHAR: Oh I hope not. Ok.
Please, God, give me the strength to get through the next month. All right.
SCOTT: Whatever his sexual proclivities are, it still has nothing to do with the fact that he`s one of the greatest if not the greatest golf player on the planet.
BEHAR: I know, I know.
SCOTT: But (INAUDIBLE) has nothing to do with it.
LEIFER: There`s nothing to (INAUDIBLE) now. I mean, I`m really interested to see the Masters and see, can you block all that out, you know, around you, with people thinking things --
BEHAR: Yes, I don`t know, if he can.
LEIFER: -- people yelling, heckling.
BEHAR: But he can because I think he`s slightly sociopathic. Ok, now, Carol you were eliminated from "Celebrity Apprentice" --
LEIFER: Yes, I was.
BEHAR: -- the other day. And so was Sinbad. Does he have -- Donald Trump have something against comedians?
LEIFER: You know it just happened to be that, that well, my story, you know, the women`s team lost, Cyndi Lauper was project manager. What the audience didn`t see --
BEHAR: Yes.
LEIFER: -- was Donald Trump saying in the board room, I don`t want to fire Cyndi, I don`t want to fire Cyndi and then -- he said, "Carol, they just threw me under the bus and good-bye."
But here`s the best part about it.
BEHAR: Yes.
LEIFER: I`m a Jew, I opened a mouth, so before I left there, I said, "You know, Mr. Trump, you`re a fan of the North Shore Animal League, my charity, would you consider making donation?" And he gave me $10,000 right there on the spot.
BEHAR: Oh isn`t that nice?
LEIFER: Yes, yes.
LEVY: That`s nice.
LEIFER: It was fantastic.
BEHAR: We need to put a halo on Donald`s head.
LEIFER: I`m telling you he redeems himself.
BEHAR: Yes.
LEIFER: Because we have six rescue dogs, you know, my partner and I.
BEHAR: That`s great. So you`re off the show but you gained $10,000 for the doggies.
LEIFER: That`s right.
LEVY: Yes.
BEHAR: Thank you so much, guys, for coming here. And be sure to check out Jill Scott in Tyler Perry`s "Why Did I Get Married 2" opening April 2nd.
A little later, "Dog the Bounty Hunter" takes a break from catching bad guys to sit down with me. So stick around.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stupak, you`re a lowlife, baby murdering scumbag pile of steaming crap. You`re a cowardly punk, Stupak. That`s what you are. You and your family are scum -- that`s what you are, Stupak. You`re a piece of crap.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: Congressman Bart Stupak made a decision to support health care reform at the risk of his political career. But after receiving numerous threats for his decision, it seems like it wouldn`t be too far from the truth to say he may have cast that vote at the risk of his life.
Joining me now is Congressman Bart Stupak, a Democrat from Michigan. Welcome to the show, Congressman.
Are you surprised by the level of vitriol out there for you right now?
REP. BART STUPAK (D), MICHIGAN: Yes. I guess me and other members and our staff has taken abuse every day on the phone. That little clip you played, that`s one of the nicer ones.
BEHAR: That was one of the nicer ones? Wow.
STUPAK: That`s one of the nicer ones.
BEHAR: I mean, I heard today that Anthony Weiner, Congressman Weiner --
STUPAK: Yes.
BEHAR: -- was sent white powder to his office with a threatening letter. Other things, you know, Louise Slaughter had the brick thrown into her office --
STUPAK: Right.
BEHAR: -- glass. Do you think someone might actually act on these threats?
STUPAK: Oh we certainly hope not but --
BEHAR: Well, the brick -- the brick in the window was -- is an act of violence.
STUPAK: Yes.
BEHAR: Were they ever caught, these people?
STUPAK: Well, we hope they are. I know they`re investigating. Even Congressman Weiner, even the white powder, even if it is nothing, it`s just another way to try to intimidate members and their staffs.
I mean, how would a staff person, a young staff person work in that office in New York feel safe and secure going to and from work or while they`re there.
BEHAR: That`s right.
STUPAK: This is getting totally out of control.
BEHAR: It`s out of control. Listen to what Minority Whip Eric Cantor said.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
REP. ERIC CANTOR (R), MINORITY WHIP: It is reckless to use these incidents as media vehicles for political gain. That is why I have deep concerns that some, DCCC Chairman, Chris Van Hollen and DNC Chairman Tim Kaine in particular, are dangerously fanning the flames by suggesting -- suggesting that these incidents be used as a political weapon.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: You know at the same time that he said that, he also reported that he had a bullet shot through his window. So -- on the one hand he`s saying that the Democrats are using it for political gain, but isn`t he doing the same thing? And anyway, how do you respond to that particular statement?
STUPAK: Well, he`s doing the same thing. But let me explain Randy Neugebauer, the guy who disrupted my speech the other night on the floor during health care and called me a "baby killer". The next day he`s apologizing, but if you go on his -- his site, he`s using that outburst on the floor as a fund-raiser.
You Google Stupak, you`ll get Neugebauer`s ad coming up and he asks you to contribute.
BEHAR: Didn`t Joe Wilson do the same thing? Joe Wilson when he called President Obama --
STUPAK: Joe Wilson did the same thing.
BEHAR: Yes, "You lie" and he got money?
STUPAK: Correct, so he did too. So you do an outburst on the floor to raise funds for your campaign? I really think they have crossed the line and it certainly looks like it was planned. So therefore is there an ethics violation? And these are the questions we have.
I know our leadership has talked to the Republican leadership and said, look, we can bring resolution, they have urged me to bring -- a personal resolution against Randy Neugebauer. That`s not going to solve anything.
BEHAR: No.
STUPAK: Let`s just everyone stop, pull back, take the ads, all the stuff down and let`s get back to some civility in this country where we can discuss issues, respectfully disagree and not try to force our will by fear and intimidation. They have crossed the line, both sides; I`m not saying one`s being better than the other.
BEHAR: Yes.
STUPAK: I mean this has gotten out of hand.
STUPAK: Do you think that the GOP will get a backlash for this at all?
STUPAK: Well, I don`t know. I can tell you -- I can tell you what I`ve seen since we passed health care. The polls have gone up about nine points. People are looking more favorably upon it. They can look and actually see there are consumer protections right, they can`t just discriminate against me, I`ve a pre-existing injuries and illnesses, your children can stay on your health care longer, there`s a catastrophic pool for children who are seriously ill and injured.
There are a lot of positive things in this legislation. That`s what I wish we could be focusing on, not the personal assaults and attacks.
BEHAR: Right. But what needs to happen for the behavior to stop, do you think? And should you be speaking out on the floor against your Republican colleagues, people like you?
STUPAK: Well, it doesn`t have -- it causes more retaliation. What we have been doing, some of us have been doing is saying, look, I could do this and try to embarrass Randy Neugebauer, that`s not going to solve anything. I`m not going to do it. Pull back. Pull back your cheap shot ad that you have up there trying to raise money off --
BEHAR: Yes.
STUPAK: -- because you did your outburst on the floor.
Let`s -- let`s just pull back on this.
And I mean, if we`re the leaders of the country, we`re not setting a very good example for the rest of the people as you saw over the weekend when there were the demonstrators there. Some of the Republicans are on the second floor balcony holding signs saying kill and everything and just sort of inciting the crowd below. And you saw the ugly behavior that took place over the weekend here.
BEHAR: Representative, stay right there. We`ll be back in a minute with some more.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: I`m back with Congressman Bart Stupak.
An anti-abortion group rescinded its "Defender of Life" award that they gave to you. How does that make you feel now?
STUPAK: It doesn`t make any difference to me. I mean, I stood on principle, not try to get an award. Actually that -- the group, while they have been helpful until we passed health care, in the past they have also worked against me in past elections, too. I wasn`t right-to-life enough for them.
They have been both sides of the issue with me. So it didn`t make any difference to me.
BEHAR: It is a very volatile issue and both left and right are annoyed at you.
STUPAK: Correct.
BEHAR: Right.
STUPAK: Yes.
BEHAR: Are you worried about re-election at all?
STUPAK: You know, I haven`t even focused on it. I know I got a couple more opponents both on the left and on the right. You know, we`re going to finish up hopefully this week and we`ll have a week or so off for Easter. And I urge everyone to get their masks and maybe tempers will have gone down. At that point, I`ll look seriously at my re-election and see what`s going on with it.
BEHAR: Have you spoken to congressman -- Representative Neugebauer. What`s his name, Neugebauer?
STUPAK: Neugebauer. Yes.
Actually he came over and apologized the next day. But then at the same time he`s running this ad to raise money off what he said on the floor. And I found out about that. And so I`ve been looking for him to try to talk to him on the floor, but now with Representative Cantor`s comments, maybe I`ll go to Representative Cantor and say you`re worried about this? What about Neugebauer?
Let`s pull these things. Let`s calm the rhetoric down here. It`s not doing us any good. And let`s focus on health care for the American people.
BEHAR: Let`s do that.
I mean -- but speaking of that the bill went back to the house today. Can the Republicans realistically stop health care reform?
STUPAK: No.
BEHAR: They cannot do it.
STUPAK: No, I mean -- there`s 220 of us who voted for this fix- it package, the reconciliation package that was sent to the senate. I don`t think we`ll lose any votes. In fact, we might even gain some.
And when you start tactics like this, you get members saying, "Well, if that`s the way it is going to be, we`re going to be more united and stronger as a party, the Democratic Party, than we were before going into this fight."
BEHAR: What do they want to see happen, actually, the Republicans? I don`t really understand what they`re doing. If they can`t win --
STUPAK: They just want -- you do any other tactic you can think of to defeat this bill, defeat the legislation, whatever they can do. I`m sure the rhetoric will get quite hot tonight on the floor while we try to do this last vote to put the final health care package all together and send it to President Obama for a signature. I`m sure they`ll try everything tonight.
BEHAR: They`re going to try anything. Once this whole thing calms down, don`t you think that the people will actually like the bill? I mean everybody will have a better shot at getting health care, no pre-existing conditions; all the things that you`ve been working to put in there. I think people will be happy with it eventually.
STUPAK: I do too. I mean 62 percent of all the bankruptcies in this country are related to medical expenses. Of those 62 percent, 78 percent of those people had health care. So that`s what we got to stop because we`re all one injury or one illness away from bankruptcy.
And this bill, there is no more life time caps here, limit your out-of-pocket expenses; it is really a good pro-consumer, pro-American piece of legislation.
BEHAR: That`s right.
STUPAK: And let`s get -- look at the merits of the bill.
BEHAR: I have a feeling that a lot of these people who hate the bill and who want to threaten everybody who is for the bill have health insurance, just guessing.
STUPAK: Probably.
BEHAR: Congressman, thank you very much.
We`ll be back in a minute.
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BEHAR: They are, yes, they are hard-wired.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They are not.
BEHAR: Well just when you thought it was safe to go back to the fairway, a 15th mistress and third porn star in the Tiger Woods scandal has finally crawled out of the woodwork, but who`s counting. Devon James alleges she had a two and a half year affair with Tiger and that their first sexual encounter was a threesome that he paid for.
So where has she been the last four months? Did she miss the newsletter? Back with me to discuss all the details is from Modern Family actor Eric Stonestreet and joining us is actor and comedian Hal Sparks. Okay so let`s get this straight, there`s Devon James, Jocelyn James, Jesse James. Can you get them all?
HAL SPARKS, ACTOR/COMEDIAN: Absolutely, the James gang. Yes, absolutely.
BEHAR: Right the James gang.
SPARKS: Yes, yes. They rode in on the same horse.
ERIC STONESTREET, "MODERN FAMILY": Hilarious.
SPARKS: And you know my issue is, again, this idea that men are hard- wired to cheat, you have to be the math here at least. You have one guy, one man cheating on his wife, and 15 women having an affair with a guy they knew is married. I`m just saying --
BEHAR: What are you saying?
SPARKS: I`m just saying if you are going to - I`m just saying mathematically if you are just going to go men are disgusting because, you have to count - none of these women, there wasn`t a surprise that he was married. He was hired --
BEHAR: We`re not saying these skankettess are innocent?
SPARKS: I beg your pardon. We don`t know that they are skankettes.
(LAUGHTER)
SPARKS: I love the skankettes show, I`m sorry. I`m seeing it tomorrow night on Broadway.
(CROSSTALK)
SPARKS: It`s so good.
BEHAR: Let`s talk about this one skankette. This one named Devon James.
STONESTREET: Yes. She`s a lovely person.
BEHAR: She`s a porn star. She didn`t come out before --
SPARKS: Well star.
BEHAR: Because.
SPARS: She`s a cam star in Florida. I wouldn`t go -- there`s got to be at least levels in porn. I mean they have an awards show.
BEHAR: You seem to know quite a bit about it.
SPARKS: I have no fear in knowing I could break down the entire industry for you.
BEHAR: Well okay Eric, what was the delay? Why did she delay?
STONESTREET: Well first of all I think 15. He needs three more to equal 18 holes of golf.
SPARKS: That`s true.
STONESTREET: I think he needs one woman for every hole of golf.
SPARKS: Yes well - he only needs two more if we include his wife.
STONESTREET: Oh right, right, you know what I think it`s crazy. I think he should just come full circle with everything he has going on right now. It` like now`s the opportunity to admit that there`s some other fascination with something odd that eventually will come out.
SPARKS: I think it actually helps him the more numbers come out. And because if you are going to -
BEHAR: Why?
SPARKS: The case that you have an illness, that you are sexually addicted then volume actually helps you.
BEHAR: That`s true. That`s true.
SPARKS: Then you know if you get into like the hundreds, at some point, well, clearly. But here it is again how many did Wilt Chamberlain, how many did Warren Beatty, Gene Simmons - there is so many he`s not even in that --
STONESTREET: There`s Stonestreet -
BEHAR: Really - why how many have you had? Eric tell me.
STONESTREET: Mistresses?
SPARKS: Right.
STONESTREET: Zero because don`t you have to be married to have a mistress?
BEHAR: Oh yes well now -
SPARKS: Please, yes you can cheat on a long-term relationship.
BEHAR: Yes I don`t think Gene Simmons was married when he --
SPARKS: He still isn`t - He`s never been married.
BEHAR: No but -
STONESTREET: Really?
BEHAR: No but he`s been long term -
SPARKS: Yes.
BEHAR: Okay but how does he keep track of all these mistresses?
(CROSSTALK)
SPARKS: He takes polaroids. Gene takes polaroids.
BEHAR: No I`m talking about Tiger.
SPARKS: Oh Tiger didn`t apparently. That`s why he didn`t even surprise -- like did I really sleep with her? Are you sure? I`ve been shocked.
BEHAR: Does he have time to play golf without all the shenanigans.
SPARKS: Well I always think like how good would he be if he didn`t have the mistresses. Like if he puts --
STONESTREET: Seriously, well it`s not like it is a physically grueling sport.
SPARKS: Excuse me that is a debate right there.
STONESTREET: No it isn`t.
SPARKS: They have carts now. Any situation where you are playing a sport where they cart you from one end of the field to the other.
STONESTREET: They don`t do that in professional golf.
BEHAR: They don`t?
STONESTREET: No, you have to walk.
BEHAR: Okay now wait a minute this mistress is also - she`s saying that Tiger Woods complained that Elin never wanted to have sex. Isn`t that the old story. My wife doesn`t understand me?
SPARKS: That`s usually the female complaint. When women cheat on the husband, that`s the complaint that the man have lost interest. And guys --
STONESTREET: You have read a book. You read a book.
SPARKS: I`ve written a book, my brother.
BEHAR: Women don`t complain that the man doesn`t want to have sex. They complain it`s not romantic enough, doesn`t pay attention.
SPARKS: The exact opposite is usually true. Statistically speaking, the exact opposite, men actually seek comfort outside their relationships. There are guys who hire mistresses and they end up like not even having sex. That`s a big deal here in New York City even. But women especially tend to just do it because their husband has lost interest physically.
BEHAR: That`s completely a lie.
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SPARKS: Yes, it is, just because you don`t like it, doesn`t mean it`s not true.
BEHAR: It`s not my experience with women I know. It`s not about the sex at all.
SPARKS: Oh I don`t know about the one you have had affairs with, but I`m saying -
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: But why do men get married? We want to know when they really want to fool around with all these women? Why get married?
STONESTREET: I don`t think that`s true. I don`t think men want to fool around. They get married for the same reasons women do. They want to have a lifelong partner, and then life happens and you make a mistake.
BEHAR: life happens? Eric, come on.
SPARKS: Men cheat for the same reason women cheat. You know, the dissatisfaction in the relationship.
STONESTREET: And women do cheat.
SPARKS: They do.
BEHAR: All right let`s change the subject.
SPARKS: See what happens when you tell the truth, just because you don`t like it, doesn`t mean it`s not true.
BEHAR: No because I don`t agree with you. But that`s okay, you can disagree with me.
SPARKS: That`s fine. That`s okay.
STONESTREET: I know.
BEHAR: I happen to know women who cheat on their husbands because their husbands don`t talk to them. That`s why they cheat. The husbands are boring and they`re husbands are not romantic. It`s not about sleeping with the husband.
SPARKS: Why not go talk the guy?
BEHAR: Because the husband is mute.
STONESTREET: But what`s the difference about that -- what`s the difference about that if a guy cheats on a woman who he says doesn`t want to have sex with him anymore? If it`s the same --
SPARKS: Yes, you are not getting your needs -
BEHAR: Who says that?
SPARKS: I think I`ve clearly won this. Seriously --
STONESTREET: Yes, I agree.
BEHAR: Well look you`re right about that.
SPARKS: By agreeing with me.
BEHAR: If the wife doesn`t want to have sex with him, then you might have a case. Then he should say, I want a divorce. You don`t want to sleep with me.
STONESTREET: Right.
BEHAR: I`m out of here. Instead of cheating with 14,000 women --
STONESTREET: 15.
BEHAR: And two kids at home, whatever.
SPARKS: Crazy.
BEHAR: All right let`s talk about something completely different.
SPARKS: That`s a good idea.
BEHAR: On "Grey`s Anatomy" Katherine Heigl slept with doctors, killed a patient, nearly died herself and had an affair with a ghost. Is it any wonder she`s decided to leave the series. She must be exhausted. Okay, so do you think she did the right thing by leaving? This is a big hit, this show, and she`s in the middle of leaving. She`s leaving. Why is she leaving?
SPARKS: It is - you know doing drama is exhausting, quite frankly. Especially when it is this kind of stuff. I mean you are literally paid to be miserable every week.
BEHAR: Yes.
SPARKS: And if you know -- eventually you run up against your own kind of emotional wall. I mean I was on "Queer As Folk" for five years, we had everything from you know HIV-positive partners to people getting gay bashed there was tons of elements you know where weekly you would go home just emotionally beaten down. And doing especially not you know when you are shooting a three-camera shoot, it`s on Tuesday.
BEHAR: So you think that is her issue?
SPARKS: I think that`s a big part of it.
BEHAR: You know as I was saying to my driver David Caruso after he left -
STONESTREET: Your driver is David Caruso -
BEHAR: He was right before he got CSI --
STONESTREET: Yea right.
SPARKS: Not unless you came to work in the hummer. That`s the disappointing part.
BEHAR: Well you know what you leave a job like that that pays $1 million an episode. I mean that takes a lot of guts and maybe is stupid maybe. I don`t know.
STONESTREET: Well I just think I take the sort of bright-eyed approach, I think she`s lucky to have like a really great job. And I understand what Hal is saying but acting on TV shows ain`t digging holes.
BEHAR: Exactly.
STONESTREET: And I think - you know, but she`s -- maybe she`s run the arch there and ready to move on, and I wouldn`t second guess her decision.
BEHAR: Would you leave a hit show?
STONESTREET: Heck no man.
BEHAR: Heck no, would you, Hal?
SPARKS: Yes.
BEHAR: You would.
SPARKS: Yes.
BEHAR: You would, why?
SPARKS: Because I know the effect it have on you. And I know this is not a sitcom we`re talking about. This is not something you phone in, it is not even a talk show. This is heavy, heavy drama on a regular basis, and it starts to affect your life. And if you want to maintain, you want to talk about the maintenance of a --
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STONESTREET: Comedies are harder than drama.
BEHAR: You know what -
SPARKS: I know but not harder on you.
BEHAR: You know what is really hard, collecting tolls on the turnpike.
SPARKS: I agree.
BEHAR: That`s really hard.
SPARKS: I would leave that job too.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Okay another story. Oprah settled a defamation suit yesterday. The headmistress of her African school for girls said that Oprah defamed her character. She was scheduled to testify next week. Any surprise that she settled?
STONESTREET: No.
SPARKS: No because she wanted $50,000 per count from Oprah Winfrey. She is suing Oprah Winfrey for basically $250,000.
STONESTREET: I think that`s like suing you and I like for a nickel.
SPARKS: Exactly, that`s absurd.
BEHAR: Yes.
SPARKS: Of course she`d settle. How many lawsuits do you think you get as Oprah Winfrey being who you are?
STONESTREET: But wasn`t there talk she wouldn`t going to settle? Wasn`t she actually considering going to court and testifying and all that?
BEHAR: Yes and that`s what she is avoiding -
SPARKS: And then she went how much? Are you kidding me? Exactly, yeah.
STONESTREET: Oh okay.
SPARKS: I think that fell out of my purse yesterday. I mean honestly.
BEHAR: Well it would have been the prosecution`s worst nightmare on that stand, I think. Yes, right?
SPARKS: Yes, no question. She`s a compelling human being.
BEHAR: And now, what`s the -- the headmistress was only $250,000. Why didn`t she pay her off long ago, you think? When she first made these allegations?
SPARKS: I would assume because she probably -
BEHAR: Why not just there -
(CROSSTALK)
SPARKS: She believed she was right -
STONESTREET: Wasn`t guilty of anything.
SPARKS: Right.
STONESTREET: I think that`s what happens, and I think the $250,000, you know hire -- you hire people to give you good advice, and I think at some point those people reached Oprah and said listen now we`re being illogical.
SPARKS: Yes just call it - it`s not worth your time.
STONESTREET: Write the check.
SPARKS: She really took time off from the show to prepare for some of this stuff.
BEHAR: Yes.
SPARKS: She`s probably losing more money doing that than paying for it, even if she came out right. Even if you know with court costs and legal costs and all this stuff.
BEHAR: Right.
SPARKS: It would have cost more even than just paying out.
STONESTREET: I get it.
BEHAR: But to tie up the last topic with this one, Oprah Winfrey is also leaving her job like Katherine Heigl.
STONESTREET: Yes why would you ever do that? Very similar example.
BEHAR: No, it`s not.
STONESTREET: I`m kidding.
BEHAR: I mean this is a completely different situation. She`s made enough money for 25 people.
STONESTREET: 25?
BEHAR: 25 very wealthy people.
SPARKS: 25 Donald Trumps.
BEHAR: And she`s also put in a lot of years.
SPARKS: Yes.
BEHAR: I don`t know about how many years Katherine Heigl. Maybe Katherine wants to be a movie actress. But so did David Caruso want to be a movie actress. Uh huh.
SPARKS: He did want to be a movie actress, you see how that worked out for him.
BEHAR: And Julian Margulies is also very famously left E.R. when she was at the height.
SPARKS: Uh huh Jimmy Smiths.
STONESTREET: I would like to announce right now -
BEHAR: It took her a while to get back, but now she`s on "The Good Wife" and she`s great.
STONESTREET: Joy I would like to announce right now that I`m leaving "Modern Family" to pursue a film career. I`m just kidding.
(LAUGHTER)
SPARKS: I would say that David Caruso left NYPD Blue and went to CSI: Miami after a period which is easier to do than NYPD Blue - I mean --
STONESTREET: Wasn`t he in "Jade", "Jade" was awesome.
SPARKS: It was, it kind of was.
STONESTREET: That`s the only movie he did.
BEHAR: "Jade", never heard. Anyway thank you guys for doing this, and I still disagree with you.
SPARKS: I know. Good.
BEHAR: I know but if you`re in Philly catch Hal performing at the Helium Comedy Club April 8th through the 10th and of course you can see the lovely and talented Eric every Wednesday at 9:00 p.m. on ABC`s "Modern Family."
Up next the man with a lot of bark and a lot of bite, Dog the Bounty Hunter stops by so don`t go anywhere
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BEHAR: They capture bad guys for a living and along the way try to mentor some of them toward the straight and narrow. It`s captured on camera for their A&E series "Dog the Bounty Hunter." take a look.
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DUAYNE DOG CHAPMAN, "WHERE MERCY IS SHOW, MERCY IS GIVEN:: Hey there. We got a warrant for your arrest. Come out with your hands in the air. If not, we are coming out to get you sister. You ain`t going to like it. Here we go, guys.
BETH CHAPMAN: Let`s go, let`s go. Flashlights, 2 x 2, everybody.
D. CHAPMAN: She`s going to hide, you guys. She`s going to hide.
B. CHAPMAN: Careful now,
D. CHAPMAN: Leyland, watch it.
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BEHAR: Joining me is Duane "Dog" Chapman the author of the new book "Where Mercy is Shown, Mercy is Given" and with him is his co-star on TV and in his life also, Beth Chapman. Welcome to the show, guys.
D. CHAPMAN: Thank you, ma`am. Good to see you.
B. CHAPMAN: Thank you.
BEHAR: Don`t -- it makes me feel so old when you call me ma`am. You did that last time too.
D. CHAPMAN: I`d like call you sister, but I like respect.
BEHAR: Call me sister.
D. CHAPMAN: Thank you sister.
BEHAR: Okay, so before we go on you were talking about how you guys were in the tsunami or the one that was supposed to come to Hawaii.
D. CHAPMAN: The alleged tsunami.
BEHAR: Yes, tell me about that. What happened there?
D. CHAPMAN: We got warnings physically and -- animal or what`s the word?
B. CHAPMAN: Well nature, signs of nature, you know, the birds were leaving, the whales were gone.
BEHAR: Really? Wow.
B. CHAPMAN: the ocean sucked back.
D. CHAPMAN: The buoys set out there, one of the buoys were knocked off, so they thought for sure they were coming in. It wasn`t Kmart trying to sell candle, water and blankets, right? So I thought it might be ABC stores, because they sold out everything. It was a day off, so they had to evacuate everything. We were right on the borderline. Larry King insisted that we do Skype and take right there. So I said --
BEHAR: Really?
B. CHAPMAN: we risked our life for CNN.
BEHAR: You know the show must go on. I`m sorry Dog.
D. CHAPMAN: Yes I know.
B. CHAPMAN: I think the realization came when the kids started to freak out. Like they were out and about in the evening time about 2:00 a.m. they were coming in. And they started packing their stuff and throwing stuff in bags and we were like what are you doing? They`re like the tsunami is coming. We have to fly to another island. You`re going to fly to another island, and then what?
BEHAR: They`re like the birds. They`re kids and get it.
D. CHAPMAN: Right the dogs were going crazy.
BEHAR: The dogs?
D. CHAPMAN: I mean it felt like it was real scary and then all of a sudden it was like a dud.
BEHAR: Yes, yes, now, your book is about your struggles and being a mentor to fugitives you capture.
D. CHAPMAN: Yes.
BEHAR: Which is a very noble gesture on your part.
D. CHAPMAN: Thank you.
BEHAR: How do you mentor someone in handcuffs?
D. CHAPMAN: Well they`re a captive audience. You just -- well, when you start out after them, you get a mug shot and picture, start looking of course mom and dad. You start studying habits, smoking, every single thing. You know what brand. You know pretty soon in a day or so everything about them. Where they could have fallen off, you can kind of see you know arrested in 1988 after mother dies nine times and then from then on 50 times.
BEHAR: Uh huh.
D. CHAPMAN: So you know, okay I have to find -- when I can catch him, the first thing I`m going to talk about is his mama. And so once you capture him, then you got to stop the adrenaline some way.
BEHAR: Yes.
D. CHAPMAN: And so then we put them in the back of the car and give them the ride to jail and a lot of these guys - you know I was in jail in the `70s in Texas for 18 months and I remember the ride the cop gave me and said this is not right. You should do something else. I sure like you. You could be something with your life, Dog if you just quit that motorcycle gang and did something nice.
BEHAR: Yes.
D. CHAPMAN: And I heard those words and I thought about them and you know not just because of him did I change, but it planted the seed. So if I got a plant of seed, if there is a God and both our religions believe that way, then you got to do at least good things for human beings to get there. And I`m kind of the piped piper for the criminal right now so.
BEHAR: What do you mean both our religions, I`m Catholic. What are you?
D. CHAPMAN: Oh are you?
BEHAR: I was raise heed catholic.
D. CHAPMAN: Oh were you? Protestant.
BEHAR: Oh so they believe in God. You`re right.
D. CHAPMAN: Yes almost all religions do.
BEHAR: Do you believe that every criminal deserves a second chance?
D. CHAPMAN: I believe most of them do. I won`t give Dahmer a second chance and people like that.
BEHAR: Jeffrey Dahmer.
D. CHAPMAN: No.
BEHAR: Would you execute him?
D. CHAPMAN: I would I believe again in the bible that says that if you take a life you`re life should be taken. I wouldn`t want to be the one to pull down the hammer, but if I was on the jury, I would have said his horrendous crimes, he didn`t deserve to stay alive. I don`t want to pay 168 bucks a day to keep him alive.
B. CHAPMAN: Like what we are doing for Andrew Luster.
BEHAR: Yes, uh huh.
B. CHAPMAN: He has a 124-year sentence, which we the taxpayers are going to pay for.
BEHAR: Yes, that`s a drag. Thousands of people show up to your book signings.
D. CHAPMAN: Yes.
BEHAR: They love you.
D. CHAPMAN: Thank you.
BEHAR: Your fans are legion.
D. CHAPMAN: Thank you.
BEHAR: What is it about you that people are so attracted to, both of you?
B. CHAPMAN: The hair.
D. CHAPMAN: No -
B. CHAPMAN: For sure.
BEHAR: And the tan? Where did you get this tan? Are you surfing? Look at the color --
D. CHAPMAN: We are out all - we are in the sun a lot.
B. CHAPMAN: Yes.
D. CHAPMAN: But I think it is - I met Sylvester Stallone, you know, and I was like Rambo, Rocky, Sylvester Stallone and so we --
BEHAR: You should have said Rocky 1, Rocky 2, Rocky 3, Rocky, 4.
D. CHAPMAN: You are right and now Rambo is a great show. But so when they met Beth and Dog, it`s really you know, Dog, Beth, like it is really us. I think that`s the attraction to, you know, to our fans and our friends and to the people that love us. Is that yes, I`m really Dog and She`s really Beth.
B. CHAPMAN: People are really attracted to our family. They are really --
BEHAR: To your family --
B. CHAPMAN: Yes.
BEHAR: You and your kids.
B. CHAPMAN: Yes, they`re really attracted to how we sort of work and play together. You know because most people have a strained family life or work life, you know so they don`t really have a balance of either. You know, work with all of my kids and I work with my husband every day.
BEHAR: Okay.
B. CHAPMAN: And it`s kind of difficult, but, yet, they`re my best friends.
BEHAR: When we come back I want to talk a little bit more about your kids and also I have some twitter questions for you. Okay?
D. CHAPMAN: Oh yes, thank you.
BEHAR: Okay, so sit tight, Dog and Beth. We`ll be back in a minute.
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BEHAR: I`m back with "Dog" the Bounty Hunter and his wife, Beth. Okay I have some questions from Facebook and Twitter, all right?
D. CHAPMAN: Okay.
BEHAR: How do you guys keep the romance alive? How many years is it now again?
D. CHAPMAN: Been married three, been together for 21.
BEHAR: Yes so it`s a long time now.
D. CHAPMAN: Yes.
BEHAR: How do you keep that you know how do you keep the heat going?
D. CHAPMAN: Uh.
B. CHAPMAN: We`re very physical all the time.
BEHAR: You`re physical all the time.
D. CHAPMAN: Oh come on, now, don`t say that. Physical?
B. CHAPMAN: Is it not true or not?
BEHAR: You touch each other a lot?
B. CHAPMAN: We touch a lot. We`re affectionate.
D. CHAPMAN: I thought you meant rough house.
B. CHAPMAN: No, --
BEHAR: No she`s touch.
B. CHAPMAN: Later, babe. You know we`re very affectionate. We`re not afraid to show our feelings to one another. We keep it hot because we`re hot for each other. We`re really in love. We really, you know, take our marriage seriously. You know, and we have a lot of kids that are depending on us so.
BEHAR: Those are not all your kids.
B. CHAPMAN: No. But they`re my kids.
BEHAR: Those are from previous live wives? Right?
B. CHAPMAN: Previous wives? I`m sorry were there previous ones I don`t think they were. I think I just got them.
BEHAR: You can be in denial.
B. CHAPMAN: I`m very lucky I get to share them with those women.
BEHAR: Yes.
B. CHAPMAN: Because they`re really mine and they just call them once in a while.
BEHAR: Right. Okay. Let`s see. Beth looks good. Has she lost weight?
B. CHAPMAN: Yes.
BEHAR: Okay. Do you think you`ll ever retire?
B. CHAPMAN: Oh.
D. CHAPMAN: Well, we used to be able to retire at 60 something. But I think my generation has to work until they die. And nobody is fault to that but you know I think our parents and our grandparents got to retire. I don`t think we`re going to get to.
BEHAR: Well they died younger too. The grandparents they died younger. Mostly at 60 the latest.
D. CHAPMAN: Right and once a lot of my people, when they got to that age and retired they did die because their life was so fast and they had to keep going. Once they, you know, took back they just went to sleep.
BEHAR: They had hard lives. You got in trouble back then for using the "N" word. Remember that?
D. CHAPMAN: Yes ma`am.
BEHAR: Somebody wants to know if you stopped using the "N" word. You apologized for it I know.
D. CHAPMAN: I have absolutely since the day I got caught using it I stopped.
B. CHAPMAN: And the book is about that.
BEHAR: Yes, it`s in the book.
D. CHAPMAN: Yes.
B. CHAPMAN: You know what, it`s a really detailed, nice story about it, and it really goes into detail about how it came down and --
BEHAR: Was it your son`s girlfriend, right?
D. CHAPMAN: My son -- I chewed my son out for allegedly doing drugs with his girlfriend and I used the word as stupidly. He recorded it and sold it to a magazine favorite. You just had the guy on your show. So yeah -- on your other show.
And so, you know, I -- if I wouldn`t have said it I wouldn`t have got caught. So I had to own up to it. You know, very quickly. A lot of people didn`t want me to do that.
BEHAR: Yes.
D. CHAPMAN: But I felt that was the right thing to do in the circumstance I`ve always been taught. You know, to go ahead if you do it, own up to it and admit it and better things will happen. I mean, every day I`m still getting by it and still getting through it.
BEHAR: Have your son and girlfriend forgiven you for that?
D. CHAPMAN: I`m sure the girlfriend has. My son is in prison.
BEHAR: Oh.
D. CHAPMAN: I told him on the 9th of September this year that I loved him and handed the phone back to Beth. And so, yes, we`re -- I forgave him that day, baby, you know? I love my son.
BEHAR: Of course you do.
D. CHAPMAN: I have other sons and daughters who said, dad, you know, let us deal with this.
B. CHAPMAN: Let us decide.
D. CHAPMAN: So I do that.
BEHAR: Yes okay.
B. CHAPMAN: Because he hurt so many people in the family and it was so terrible, we have to let the kids decide.
BEHAR: Dug -- dog.
D. CHAPMAN: Dog. That`s your accent. It`s okay.
BEHAR: It`s my accent. Thank you very much for joining me tonight. The new book is called "Where Mercy Is Shown, Mercy Is Given." Good night, everybody.
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