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Interview With Kate Gosselin
Aired April 14, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HLN HOST: Tonight on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, she was just a regular mom who got a TV show, and now she`s "Dancing with the Stars". It certainly has been a wild ride. Reality star and author Kate Gosselin joins me.
Then, although Ringo is not feeling it, the Pope forgives the Beatles for saying they were more popular than Jesus 40 years ago. Hey, at least the church is picking up the pace. It took them 400 years to forgive Galileo.
And Jessica Simpson and Britney Spears have released pictures of themselves without makeup or air brushing. Isn`t that nice? Don`t worry, that`s not something you`ll ever see here.
That and more right now.
Kate Gosselin knew that choreographing the lives of eight kids was a tough job, but she probably didn`t know what to expect when she agreed to appear on the current season of "Dancing with the Stars". Well, as fans of that show know, it hasn`t been that easy for her, but that may have all changed this week.
Let`s take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re having a mini-break through tonight. I actually believe you were dancing.
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BEHAR: Joining me to talk about surviving another week and her new book, "I Just Want You to Know: Letters to my kids on love, faith and family" is Kate Gosselin. Hi, Kate, how are you?
KATE GOSSELIN, REALITY TV STAR: Hi, Joy. How are you?
BEHAR: Good to see you. Now, tell me the truth right off the bat, is Bruno as annoying as he seems to be?
GOSSELIN: He makes me laugh.
BEHAR: He does?
GOSSELIN: So no, probably not.
BEHAR: He`s not? But I mean --
GOSSELIN: Yes.
BEHAR: -- "I actually believe you were dancing" does not annoy you, huh?
GOSSELIN: You do that really well.
BEHAR: Yes.
Well, he`s Italian and I`m Italian and it all goes together.
Now, the thing about you is that, despite your dancing setbacks, which there have been a few --
GOSSELIN: Yes.
BEHAR: It`s not -- you`re not Ginger Rogers, let`s tell the truth here.
GOSSELIN: Right.
BEHAR: Fans keep voting for you to stay. Do you think it`s because they can relate to you? Or what is it about you that make the fans just go right to you?
GOSSELIN: I don`t know what it`s about -- what it is about me, but I`m just amazed that they believe in me, my fans and viewers believe in me more than I believe in myself.
I`m shocked to still be there, to be honest. I`m honored, I`m thrilled. I feel like Monday night was the first time that I enjoyed the dance and I had a good time and I think that showed. And now I`m like totally addicted. I want to learn more, I want to do better. I want to learn to dance.
BEHAR: You do? On the air? I love it. Some of the comments the judges have -- a lot of the comments that the judges have made on the show have been a little -- I think a little bit harsh.
So let`s look -- let`s take a look at them.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The whole thing was too pedestrian. It was just walking around. There was no passion, drama, intensity. It wasn`t very good, Kate, and I`m sorry.
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BEHAR: Ok. So, you know, I don`t know. I think that if I was out there throwing myself around or one of the moves there it looked like he was going to break your neck also. I mean, it`s pretty dangerous, but I don`t know that I would be so thrilled after I put myself out there with five hours a day of practicing and have somebody say, I don`t know -- what did he say?
I mean, it wasn`t very good Kate. How do you handle comments like that?
GOSSELIN: Well Joy, you know that I am subject to a lot of criticism, and I have developed a thick skin. And honestly judges sitting there talking about my dancing when I know -- unless, I mean, I can say it. I -- my scores aren`t keeping me there. I feel like it`s -- I don`t know. I`m used to taking criticism.
BEHAR: Yes, where did you learn that?
GOSSELIN: It doesn`t bother me really.
BEHAR: How did you -- how did you develop --
GOSSELIN: Right.
BEHAR: -- that ability to take criticism so well? Really?
GOSSELIN: I don`t know. It`s either you do or you die because I take a lot of it.
BEHAR: I mean, most people in show business take some of -- you know, many years of developing a thick skin. You ignore most of it. I mean, I was reading in the tabloids that you were acting like a diva on the set. And I thought, well, you know, maybe it`s true. I don`t know, you`re here to defend that, and I notice that they never say a man is acting like a diva.
So what`s this story there? Were you acting in a sort of diva- esque manner, my dear?
GOSSELIN: I pretty much act the same way I act when I am honored to guest co-host "The View". I love everyone. I love being there. I love everybody that I`m with. I love you guys.
I absolutely love the family feeling. I don`t know where they would have gotten it, because all the cast and crew comes to me and they`re like I was doing an interview this morning, and I was asked if you were a diva.
Every one of them have come to me, and I think it`s ridiculous. But they all said, I said no, we have a good time together, I mean, it`s so amazing to be in that family atmosphere where everybody takes care of everybody.
I mean, I have tears in my eyes watching the other people dance, because you watch them all through the week doing their camera blocking, doing their dress rehearsal. And it`s like your friends are out there, and we all root for each other.
It`s a very close-knit atmosphere. I was sobbing last night when Aidan was voted off.
BEHAR: Really?
GOSSELIN: I couldn`t handle it and I was like, yes, I was absolutely -- I don`t know Aidan watched the performance but I don`t know if they caught it, but I -- Tony was like, why are you crying? We`re safe. And I said I don`t want Aidan to go. I didn`t want anybody to go. It`s -- it`s hard.
BEHAR: Well, it`s a competition. Somebody`s got to go, Kate.
GOSSELIN: I keep saying why can`t it -- why can`t it be like summer camp? Why can`t we all just dance until the end and then say bye, I`ll see you next summer.
BEHAR: Maybe you should just all sing Kumbaya and do a dance to that.
GOSSELIN: I said that -- I said that actually to Tom last night. I said why can`t we dance like its summer camp? And he is, well, we`d probably have about one season, and it would be on a network I won`t mention.
BEHAR: Exactly.
GOSSELIN: And it was very -- it was funny. I was like, oh, yes, ratings, yes. I get it.
BEHAR: Americans like a competition. They don`t want to see everybody win.
GOSSELIN: Yes.
BEHAR: The other thing about it, is that a lot of people criticizing you also for spending -- and let`s get to this part about being a mother and juggling, because they criticize you for spending time away from your kids.
Now, I understand that you have to work. I was a single mother for many years, and you have to make certain sacrifices, you know. But now you`re going to be doing a new show -- a couple of new shows, which is great for you, I think; specials for TLC, a couple of things with your name in the show.
When exactly do you think you`re going to be able to see your kids? How are you going to do that?
GOSSELIN: Well, "Dancing with the Stars" obviously is very short- lived, you know, a couple more weeks, whatever. So that will be over.
And then the Kate show is starting, "Twist of Kate" and then, the specials with the kids, obviously I will be traveling with the kids and we`re all looking very much forward to that.
And those are things that are not on somebody else`s time schedule. I can pretty much work those around -- you know, custody around the schedule with the kids. I`m really looking forward to doing those.
And I`m a single mom. You -- I mean --
BEHAR: Right.
GOSSELIN: -- you said, I have to work. I mean, I crack up when I hear this stuff that like, she should be home with her kids. Well, we should all be home with our kids, but I have to make a living just like everybody else does. And I`m just very honored and very blessed that I can work and support eight kids, you know, solely, if I have to do that.
BEHAR: Is that going to happen? That you`re going to be the only one supporting the kids?
GOSSELIN: I don`t ever plan on anything. I just know that I can count on myself to support them if need be. And that`s where I leave that.
BEHAR: I mean, that --
GOSSELIN: It`s a thing of preparing. It`s a thing of planning ahead. It`s a thing of if that`s what happens -- nobody ever knows what`s going to happen tomorrow. But I know that I need to be able to sleep at night. And in order to sleep at night, I know that I have to do what it takes to provide for them solely.
I`m not saying it`s happening or not happening. I`m just saying that`s the responsible thing to do as a mother, a single mother.
BEHAR: Yes. I don`t know. What did you do before -- let`s say it all went away and you`d have to really like work a regular job, not television job. What would you do?
GOSSELIN: Well, I am a nurse by training --
BEHAR: Right.
GOSSELIN: -- and if I -- if I were to, say, yes, TV is just too much and I`m not going to do any of this anymore, I would be working 12- hour shifts six days a week. I might be five miles from the kids, but I would not see them any more than I see them now.
BEHAR: That`s right.
GOSSELIN: And honestly I wouldn`t be able to provide for them at all because baby-sitting for eight kids costs more than my salary as a nurse would. So this is truly a miracle for me that this career path took the turns that it did. And I hope that it does continue, that I can continue to provide for the kids because I mean, that`s my job as a parent.
BEHAR: I think that`s a very good point that you make. Because no matter what job you would be doing, you`d be away from them because you`re going to have to support these children, you know.
GOSSELIN: Correct.
BEHAR: Now, you talk in your book about battling the paparazzi and crazy fans. Are you concerned about the kids remaining in the spotlight with the new shows?
GOSSELIN: Well, they`re in the spotlight regardless of if they`re on TV or not. They`ve been off of TV now for however long it`s been -- six or eight months -- and by that I mean not actively filming and we still have paparazzi every day following us everywhere.
And it will be that way. You know, we -- we put our kids out there, and we did it in a manner that`s healthy and safe for them. But at the same time people fell in love with our kids and they invested in them and they invited us into their living room.
And so I don`t feel like that`s going to go away anytime soon, regardless of whether we continue to be out there or not.
The way I see it is the specials with the kids provides them opportunities to travel. We`re planning a trip now for a special coming up, and they are beyond excited. They have asked for six months, "When can we go on an airplane, mommy? When can we do this and that?" And they`re totally excited.
They miss our crew. Our crew comes with us.
BEHAR: I read that. I remember reading that when the show ended they missed the crew. That was cute.
All right. Kate, stay right where you are. We`re just getting started.
We`ll be back with Kate Gosselin in just a minute.
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K. GOSSELIN: Hello. We`re over here.
J. GOSSELIN: You told me to stay here.
You said you were in lane 5 and you were in 13. So that`s eight lanes. Everyone heard you.
K. GOSSELIN: Hello, I need your help.
J. GOSSELIN: Go to 11.
K. GOSSELIN: No, I can`t. Would you come here?
J. GOSSELIN: Why?
K. GOSSELIN: Because you need to stop playing toys and come help.
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BEHAR: Now, there`s an all too familiar scene for most married people in America. That was Kate Gosselin giving her ex-husband a hard time on their old reality show, "Jon & Kate plus 8".
And Kate is back with me now. You know, there wasn`t as much sort of Jon -- I don`t want to call it bashing exactly -- but you know criticizing maybe of Jon in the book. Did you have a change of heart? Did you intentionally leave out any negativity, a lot of negativity about Jon in the book?
K. GOSSELIN: In the book those memories honestly are preserved as good memories, Joy. I look back on those times fondly. I went by what was written in my journal during that time.
We had our struggles. We had our ups and downs. We had our issues, but those memories remain preserved as good memories. I don`t -- I kind of when I write a book, it`s the same thing when I do an interview, whether it be print or TV.
I know my kids are going to be able to read this. Kara (ph) and Mattie (ph), I signed my first two copies to them and they`re reading this book as we speak as one of their 30 books this year in third grade.
And I want them to read, you know, the good times, the memories, and things as I remember them. And, you know, any impression that they have beyond that is, you know, it`s not my job to create their impressions of either one of us. It`s my job to be a parent and to teach them the things I need to teach them and, you know, let actions speak for themselves really.
BEHAR: Right. Well, they were there. They remember what -- they`re going to remember what they remember, you know.
K. GOSSELIN: It was all good times. It was good times for the most part, and it was the beginning of our show and our kids were young and we were still a team. We were still pulling for the same things and we still wanted the same things and our goals were still the same then, really.
BEHAR: Well, you accept a lot of the blame for communication with him, that the communication was not good. And you said, "Much of what I said to Jon was unwarranted. I could have watched what I said better, could have guarded my tongue better."
So do you have any regrets about what you said, and do you think you`d still be married if you had watched, as you say, "guarded your tongue better"?
K. GOSSELIN: Nobody can say, I mean, I`m willing to accept. I`ve accepted in the past the blame, any marriage that falls apart obviously there`s blame on both sides. Excuse me.
But I feel like I`ve learned -- I`ve really learned a lesson in the last few years about guarding my tongue, about choosing my words more wisely. It`s kind of like the ongoing lesson, the moving ahead. I don`t know. I don`t know what to say.
All of us can go back and say what we would change.
BEHAR: But you say you`ve learned --
K. GOSSELIN: I will accept blame. Yes I have learned. I`m definitely learned to think --
BEHAR: Because you observe -- you observed yourself.
K. GOSSELIN: I did.
BEHAR: Very few people get the opportunity to observe their own behavior on television. That`s why I don`t watch myself.
K. GOSSELIN: It`s true. I know. I don`t either. I don`t watch my dancing, I don`t watch anything.
BEHAR: Yes, right.
He`s suing you for full custody of the kids. He`s calling you an absentee mom which is interesting because you`re working to support the children and yet you`re an absentee mom. So what`s your reaction to that?
K. GOSSELIN: You know, I`m just going to say I`m a working mom. I`m single and I have to provide for my kids. No pun intended, but the show must go on. I have to continue doing what I`m doing. I`m there with the kids.
BEHAR: Does it make you angry?
K. GOSSELIN: You know, it -- I feel sad honestly. I feel sad for the kids that this, you know, custody battle that we never wanted to play out in public for whatever reason is being put out there. I do feel sad.
I feel sad that the kids are going to have to go through this, because I`m very proud of the fact that through everything we have worked through custody so peacefully up until this point.
BEHAR: Up until now. I mean the custody battle is playing out in front of millions of fans, even spilling into "Dancing with the Stars".
We have a clip. Let`s look at the clip.
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K. GOSSELIN: Every day there`s something huge. I wake up and check the news first thing in the morning to see what my day is going to bring me today. What hell I`m going to go through. I mean, this is custody stuff playing out in public.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re there to prove a point. If you fail this week, he wins. Does that make sense to you? Will you let that happen?
K. GOSSELIN: No.
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BEHAR: You know, today your brother told Pennsylvania lawmakers that your kids suffered psychological damage while filming "Jon and Kate plus 8". No legal action is being taken against you or TLC. But how do you react to that, your brother?
K. GOSSELIN: Yes. He -- you know, my brother has made a lot of money off of saying things that are untrue about us, and he has not -- I`ve not allowed them to see the kids for two years. So I`m not quire sure what information they think that they might have.
But I can`t -- every single time they were visiting my kids, they would turn around and be on some sort of a show the next day talking about, you know, what it is that they saw inside our house. So with that kind of trust ruined and knowing that they have made hundreds of thousands of dollars on lies about us, I`m not sure what their goals are because they were a part of our show and things were all fine and dandy then.
So I`m not --
BEHAR: When you say "they" --
K. GOSSELIN: beyond that -- my brother and sister-in-law.
BEHAR: Your brother and sister-in-law. It`s not just him?
K. GOSSELIN: They feel like -- you know, I guess the money has run out. And so they want to make more money and they want to stir up more trouble.
But they don`t have access to my kids. So I`m not sure, you know, what it is they think they know because anybody who we allow into our house is nothing but mesmerized by how loving and wonderful my kids are and how well-adjusted and smart and how well they do in school.
I could go on and on and on. So, you know, I just know that in the end of the truth will prevail and so I don`t honestly spend a whole lot of time worrying about it.
BEHAR: Right.
K. GOSSELIN: I`m focusing on spending my time with the kids, the quality time that I have with them and working so that I can support them.
BEHAR: Ok. All right. Sit there, sit tight. I`ll have some Twitter and Facebook questions for Kate when we come back.
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BEHAR: I`m back with Kate Gosselin, best-selling author of the new book, "I Just Want You to Know: Letters to my kids on love, faith and family". I want to talk about your book, but let`s get to one or two Twitter questions first. Ok?
Do you really think that Jon wants custody of these children? I mean I`m thinking -- or does he just want to get back in the spotlight? Is this some a revenge thing going on? What is it?
K. GOSSELIN: I can`t answer it. I don`t know.
BEHAR: What do you think? If you had to take a guess because it`s going to be very difficult for a man who seems to be not gainfully employed at the moment to be able to have custody of eight children like that.
K. GOSSELIN: Joy, I can`t answer. I don`t know. I honestly don`t know. I know what needs to happen. I just can`t answer it.
BEHAR: Somebody wants to know, do you plan on keeping your hair extensions. That`s my favorite question. By, the way, your hair looks pretty. Your hair looks good. I like it long like that, very nice.
K. GOSSELIN: Thank you. I don`t know. I had it out -- had the hair extensions out overnight a couple of weeks ago, and it was like this cute, medium short bob and I really liked it. So I don`t know. We`ll see.
BEHAR: Ok. Let`s get to the book for a minute. What do you want people to get from this book exactly, "I Just Want You to Know"?
K. GOSSELIN: Well, obviously, to my kids it`s the letters that I want them to take and the journal and those memories as our family. I always write my books for my kids, and that`s kind of like my guideline. Putting it out there, I know people are invested. And they love our family and kids, and I -- I`m amazed because I haven`t had many reviews come back to me yet.
But moms are taking from this the inspiration to write letters to their kids now and save them for them. And I think for viewers of "Jon and Kate plus 8" or "Kate plus 8", I think it will give them inside information, some behind the scenes kind of stuff that I think people want to know about.
And more than anything, I would love for people to read this book and know that this is the true me because these are words that I have put out there, not tabloid, not assumptions, not anything. This is the true me. I wrote every word, and I`m very proud of it because it`s me. It`s me. It`s me. It`s really me, and it`s approved information.
BEHAR: Ok. You know, later on in my show tonight we`re going to be talking about spanking because new studies are showing that it makes children more aggressive.
Where do you come out on that? Do you believe in spanking your children?
K. GOSSELIN: You know, I -- it`s every parent`s own decision. It`s a very personal thing, and it`s a situation where you have to make your own decision. And what I do can`t -- other parents can`t base their discipline.
Discipline is so individual. It`s individual from child to child. I have to be very stern and very firm with Colin because he`s very much like me and very determined. Whereas, if I use that same tone of vote with Aidan, he melts into tears. So I can`t even discipline my kids the same way.
BEHAR: That`s pretty tricky. It reminds me when I was a teacher when you have a bunch of kids in one class.
K. GOSSELIN: You were a teacher?
BEHAR: Believe it or not, I was an English teacher.
K. GOSSELIN: Oh, wow. You`re exactly right. It`s different personalities.
BEHAR: Right. Ok. Her new book is called "I Just Want You to Know".
Kate thanks very much for joining me. Good luck with the dancing ok?
K. GOSSELIN: Thanks Joy.
BEHAR: And try not to hit your head on anybody.
K. GOSSELIN: Ok.
BEHAR: All right. We`ll be back in a minute.
K. GOSSELIN: See you.
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BEHAR: Forty years after John Lennon`s "We`re Bigger Than Jesus" statement, the Vatican has forgiven the Beatles. But former Beatle, Ringo Starr, he things the Church might have its priorities misplaced, listen.
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RINGO STARR, FORMER BEATLE: Didn`t they say, the Vatican say we were Satanic, possibly Satanic and they still forgive us. I think the Vatican should - I think they`ve got more to talk about than the Beatles.
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BEHAR: I want to hold your hand, very satanic. Why is the Church forgiving them 40 year? Hey, I still haven`t forgiven Maria Sandragula (ph) for making fun of my Bermuda shorts and that was 51 years ago OK? Joining me to talk about this and all the stories are actor Cheech Marin, Entertainment journalist Paula Froelich, and comedian Carey Reilly. OK does Ringo have a point you guys? Shouldn`t the Vatican have more on its mind right now than the Beatles? Where is this coming from?
CAREY REILLY, COMEDIAN: I think they have cast all their stones and they want them back. Like they realize, oh my gosh, like you know we have our own problems, we shouldn`t have judged. You know maybe everybody could not judge us so much.
BEHAR: Really?
REILLY: Yes, I do.
BEHAR: So it`s a mea culpa type of thing?
PAULA FROELICH, ENTERTAINMENT JOURNALIST: Oh stop, it`s marketing 101. Look over there shiny object, don`t look at me while I have my hands down some young boy`s pants.
BEHAR: What do you think, Cheech?
CHEECH MARIN, ACTOR, "THE PERFECT GAME": Well Brifro (ph) is a famous comedian who said that the Catholic Church prepares you for anything that can happen here in the 12th century. And that pretty much --
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: The Vatican said this, I`ll read it to you what it said. In its official newspaper. "It`s true they took drugs, lived life to excess because of their success, even said they were bigger than Jesus and put out mysterious messages that were possibly even satanic.[but] -
FROELICH: Does that mean we are all forgiven?
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: But - this is the part that`s sweet, "but what would pop music have been like without the Beatles?" Now what is the most, first of all, what`s the most satanic message? What are they talking about?
FROELICH: Well because you could play their record backward and they say I love Satan.
BEHAR: Who does that? Who plays the record backwards?
REILLY: Whose got the time for that? You can play anything backwards and there is all garble and nonsense.
FROELICH: I don`t know, I watched a couple of his movies in high school and it`s all backwards.
BEHAR: You know Cheech -
MARIN: Yes, ma`am.
BEHAR: In the `90s, the Vatican claimed Pink Floyd, Queen, Black Sabbath, and The Eagles contained subliminal Satanic influences. Now you`re catholic right?
MARIN: I was, yes.
BEHAR: You no more - moral lapsed.
MARIN: Yes, I`m lapsed but I mean they say it like it`s a bad thing, you know. Come on.
BEHAR: Well does Satan speak to you through the Eagles?
MARIN: No, no. I`m not on his Facebook, so he doesn`t contact me.
BEHAR: Do you believe in Satan at all?
MARIN: No, I don`t.
REILLY: oh, I do, 100 percent. Have you met my ex?
FROELICH: No, I haven`t, actually.
REILLY: You should meet my ex. And then you would.
You know I think that it`s -- when you start bringing up Jesus, I don`t care what you talk about with religion, but when you bring up the holy so, then heads fly and people get angry. And I think that`s the problem. When you make it personal and you talk about the Messiah then people get mad and start --
BEHAR: John Lennon saying we`re more popular than Jesus?
REILLY: Yes when he said that. Yes.
BEHAR: I mean first of all, Jesus was not around during this media age, and he was referring to the times, I think, I don`t know.
REILLY: Jesus is always around.
FROELICH: Who cares he was high half the time, wasn`t he?
BEHAR: I know it is wrong of him, I guess, to make that.
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REILLY: You know let`s just look at the timing of it, its ridiculous.
BEHAR: It was disrespectful, but you know John Lennon was very audacious and would say this. Now the Vatican did not forgive other bands. What about Abba? Is anybody going to forgive Abba for making that movie "Momma Mia?"
(LAUGHTER)
(CROSSTALK)
FROELICH: That dirty, dirty slut. She had sex with three men on on three same nights? Let me tell you she didn`t know who her baby daddy was.
BEHAR: All right, let`s move on. The latest celebrity trend, this I love this, seems to be letting it all hang out, sometimes literally. Stars like Jessica Simpson and Britney Spears are the latest to be photographed without the aid of photo shop or photo retouching. OK, "Allure" magazine - - I wish I was that modest. I want to retouch head shots from 20 years ago. But "Allure" is expressing this general trend of natural beauty, a new form of look at me in the butt. Let`s look at some of these pictures. "AMERICAN IDOL" judge Kara DioGuardi is posing in the buff. Look at her, did you see that?
FROELICH: This is ridiculous.
BEHAR: OK, "ENTOURAGE" star, Manuel Checkry (ph) we had to cover her out.
FROELICH: Notice they don`t have Gaby Godabay (ph) posing in the buff. Like every single person posing in the buff is -
BEHAR: You are starting to frighten me Paula -
FROELICH: Every person that is posing in the buff is like super hot naturally. And they`re like look at me. I`m not wearing makeup. Oh such a shame.
BEHAR: Want to see a couple more.
MARIN: Yes.
BEHAR: He likes it. Yes, bring it on. Actress Jessica Capshaw from "Grey`s Anatomy" isn`t that Steven Spielberg`s -
FROELICH: Yes.
BEHAR: And "Scary Movie" actress Regina Hall. That`s her, OK. Those are untouched, unretouched and unphoto-shopped.
FROELICH: By the way, what they`re not saying - yes, they don`t have like bad lighting. They`re all in like Barbra Streisand lighting.
BEHAR: True.
FROELICH: I can look like an angel of Barbra Streisand lighting.
BEHAR: That`s true.
REILLY: But you know what I don`t want to see people like that. That you get paid a lot of money to be amazing to look natural. I`m not interested in natural.
FROELICH: And by the way -
REILLY: I look at myself every day. I don`t need it. I want to see the beauty of someone else.
FROELICH: The only one that did it right was Jamie Lee Curtis in "MORE." Like eight years ago -
REILLY: Yes because - she showed -
FROELICH: I got cellulite, I got fat --
BEHAR: Oh you don`t think she regrets that? I have to call her - she must be like what was I thinking?
FROELICH: She was the only one who was honest about it. She did it in like swim suit -
BEHAR: Come on --
REILLY: Who cares, she`s married to Chris Guest, right? What his name?
FROELICH: Yes -
REILLY: Who cares what you do.
BEHAR: Well it`s not just about your husband, Carrie.
REILLY: Oh it isn`t?
BEHAR: No there are the millions who are watching you. The thing about --
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FROELICH: -- They`re trading places and cry.
REILLY: I know.
BEHAR: You know these girls are in their 30s and 40s now, and they are sort of, I think that they are saying, you can tell me how you feel about this, look at how I really look. Don`t read the magazines and think that those are the true bodies. There are blemishes, there`s cellulite and this is the way we look. Isn`t that sort of what the --
FROELICH: Here`s the problem with that.
MARIN: Can we go back to the that "ENTOURAGE" chick.
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FROELICH: Not to mention like Jessica Simpson is on the cover of the magazine with makeup on. It`s nude make up.
REILLY: No, she doesn`t have makeup on. She said she didn`t.
FROELICH: Honey, I`ve been doing this for nine and a half years. I`m telling you there is make up.
BEHAR: There she is, there she is. There`s Jessica.
FROELICH: That`s not the cover.
REILLY: She looks beaten down, first of all. Why do you have to have not make up on and act like you got beat?
BEHAR: All right, let`s look at that. Could I have control over here, please.
REILLY: Excuse me. Pardon me.
BEHAR: I feel like I have my class over here to control. Let`s look one more thing on this. Britney Spears has been getting into the act. Now she released pre-air brushed and then images from the shoot for "Candies" or something, the shoe company. And then she showed you the unair-brushed first and then the air-brushed. And you can see if you can possibly see that that there are marks on her body. She has a little more fat. They`ve Photoshopped and made her look thinner. I think that was very good of her to do that.
FROELICH: First of all, I`ve seen her candies before? Haven`t we all seen?
REILLY: We`ve all seen TMZ.
FROELICH: Too much candies.
BEHAR: Cheech, are you turned on by those picture science.
MARIN: Can you do them without the head? Sure.
BEHAR: do them without the head? What does that mean?
FROELICH: It means she`s a butter her face.
MARIN: I`m not looking at her head, I`m looking at her body.
REILLY: She`s a Monet.
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BEHAR: OK. Maybe this topic will interest you. I doubt it, though.
MARIN: Yes, you never know.
BEHAR: All right some college students in California went digging through the trash and found a copy of Sarah Palin`s contract for a speaking engagement. What do you think about college kids digging up this? That`s like Bernstein.
REILLY: They`re on the "National Enquirer" payroll. It`s amazing. They need to make some money. I saw where she`s -- she insists on having a black car drive her from events, right?
FROELICH: She has to have an SUV. She has to have a big plane, it has to be a Lear jet.
REILLY: Have you ever been to a college event though? Like a 19- year-old shows up in a little fiat without the floor missing in the car and bring you to the event. I would say --
BEHAR: Look, she has legitimate things in her contract. Now you know, I`m not a fan of hers, but she says that she wants to know the questions ahead of time. She`s a performer. She`s -- not she`s not in politics anymore. She wants the Q and A ahead of time so she can give her good answers. I don`t blame her for that, do you?
FROELICH: No, she wants to be a politician and you are suppose to have to be able to work off the cuff, it`s basically saying she can`t have another Katie Couric moment. Of what kind of newspapers do you read? I don`t know.
BEHAR: Exactly -- well that`s possible.
FROELICH: You know.
BEHAR: But I mean I don`t think it`s such a bad idea to get the questions. Then she says she wants a first class flight from Anchorage. Well who doesn`t want a first class flight to Anchorage? She`s making 100 g`s every time they performs. They can cough up a first class. Would you go to a gig without first class flight?
MARIN: No, absolutely.
BEHAR: Would you?
REILLY: Well actually -
BEHAR: He`s cheap, hey.
FROELICH: I`ve gone before.
REILLY: I`ve gone on Spirit because there`s a $25 upgrade. That`s why. It`s cheap.
BEHAR: OK, here the straw that broke the camel`s back. During her speech she said she must have two bendable straws. No why does she need bendable straws?
REILLY: Well because if the straw doesn`t have the bend, there`s a whole lot of this and it`s going around the top.
FROELICH: No she wants two of them so that when she starts talking about Obama being the devil she can be like, see, and use props. It`s very Glenn Becky of her.
BEHAR: I`ll tell you, this chick has made $12 million since July of 2009. Hello.
REILLY: Where is the Cool Aid? I`m drinking it.
BEHAR: This is why Conservatives love her. She knows how to make money, this woman.
REILLY: Yes.
FROELICH: No this is right but you know what is so funny, like she`s made $12 million and she`s got her health care and if she doesn`t she goes to Canada for it anyway. And so I always look at people against health care, I`m look who is telling you not to have health care. It`s people making 12 million or 30 million and they don`t want more taxes taken out.
BEHAR: Well I think she went to Canada because it was not available where she was at that time. I don`t know why I`m defending her today. But for some reason I`m on her side today.
FROELICH: And how about the clinic -- she went to Canada because they had full health care, and that`s how they do it.
BEHAR: Cheech, what do you want to say?
MARIN: I forgot by this time. I don`t know.
BEHAR: You obviously weren`t raised with women.
MARIN: I mean, she quit her day job. What can I say.
BEHAR: She quit her day job?
MARIN: She quit her day job in order to make $12 million.
BEHAR: Well she wants to make money. I don`t blame her.
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REILLY: She quit her -
MARIN: She`s not a politician -- she was elected to an office and quit in the middle of it.
FROELICH: She quit her day job after she wasn`t allowed to have perks anymore. Because they started going into all the stuff and clothing she didn`t return. She didn`t get a freebie.
BEHAR: All right, thank you for coming on. Hang in there Cheech. You`re coming back later.
MARIN: OK.
BEHAR: Coming up next a new study in "Time" magazine says spanking makes kids more aggressive. We`ll debate the issue --
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BEHAR: Some people say spanking a child may put a stop to a tantrum and may be useful in the short term. But does it have long term effects? A new study says, yes, and that spanking makes children even more aggressive. Joining for a feisty but spank free debate are Amy Dickinson a syndicator of advice columnist for the "Chicago Tribune" who opposes spanking. And Rene Syler, author of "Good Enough Mother" who is pro spanking. Is that fair, Renee?
RENE SYLER, AUTHOR, "GOOD ENOUGH MOTHER": I mean I feel like there are no real absolutes. I feel like there are certain circumstances where spanking is warranted. I`m not a pro-spanker, I`m not an anti-spanker but I do think that in the instance of a child in imminent danger, a small child, I do think that a swat on a diaper bottom is fine.
BEHAR: With the diapers? That means they`re very small?
SYLER: Well a pat, yes, right. I`m talking about a smaller child, yes.
BEHAR: What about an old guy with depends? Would you hit him, too?
SYLER: Definitely not. But I`m just saying I don`t think that you can be hard and fast about any of this, because parenting and raising a child is not an exact science. You know, this study said that it may have long-term impact.
BEHAR: And makes them more aggressive.
SLYER: It may. It didn`t really draw any hard and fast conclusions. They studied this 1,510 kids and they said -
BEHAR: Right.
SYLER: The kids who were not spanked early on had a lower increase - or a lower I.Q.-
BEHAR: Right.
SYLER: But like 5 points and the ones who were spanked later in their childhood like 7 to 9 had a lower I.Q. by 2 points. Who`s to say that even eating fast food doesn`t lower your I.Q.?
BEHAR: Well that`s why they say may. That`s why they say that.
SYLER: Precisely, precisely.
BEHAR: But Amy, the studies are showing that it makes the child more aggressive. You know that`s the study. Whether she buys it or not. But is it because when you hit your child -
AMY DICKINSON, ADVICE COLUMNIST, CHICAGO TRIBUNE: Right.
BEHAR: You`re essentially saying it`s OK to hit? So then they become aggressive and want to hit the next person? Is that what the issue?
DICKINSON: Yes. And actually I think this study that reveals, you know, a lower I.Q., it seems to me the conclusion I drew was that this sort of parenting is really systemic spanking. It`s really done by parents who aren`t educating their children. And so maybe they don`t value explanations and education and you know what? It`s easier to swat a child on the bottom than it is to offer an explanation of why this is - you know, this is a bad idea. Do not run into the street. And here`s the reason. And I think that it`s just as effective to sort of get right down in a child`s eye level and explain something to them as to spank them. And furthermore, you know, some of the parents in this study spanked children under one years old. Who does that? For what purpose?
BEHAR: Well what do you say to that, Renee? That`s outrageous, I think.
SYLER: Yes, to spank a child under a year old. But what I`m saying, my children --
BEHAR: Under 20. I`m against it always.
SYLER: Right.
BEHAR: I never believe you raise a hand to a child, ever.
DICKINSON: I agree.
SYLER: Well, I feel like this is a very personal -- again, what I`m saying may not work for you, Amy and Joy. I have two children 11 and 13. And they are fine. I was spanked as a child. The people that I talked to today were spanked as children and they`ve all grown up fine. I don`t --
BEHAR: You don`t know that.
SYLER: I know I`m fine. I know my children are fine.
BEHAR: That`s your opinion that you`re so perfect. We don`t know.
SYLER: Joy.
BEHAR: Let me ask you something before we go because I don`t have too much time. Spanking in illegal in 25 countries. Now it could be, there could be a U.S. ban in this country. Let`s say it was illegal to hit a kid, right? Even your own child.
SYLER: OK.
BEHAR: If you knew that your child could pick up the phone at 5 or 6 years old and call human -
SYLER: Yes Child Protective Services.
BEHAR: And they could throw you in jail, would you still hit the kid?
SYLER: You know, I don`t know. There`s a lot of ifs, could, would have, should have -- think about that.
BEHAR: Because you would get caught. In other words --
SYLER: What`s to stop them for -- what`s to stop them from calling now and saying that my child is -- they could.
BEHAR: OK go ahead, Amy.
DICKINSON: OK, I have a friend whose kid did that once. The child reached for the phone and she`s like I`m going to call. And the mom said you pick up that phone, I`ll give you something to call about.
BEHAR: All right look, just to say I really don`t believe in it, and I don`t think you should ever hit your children. There are other creative ways to punish them.
SYLER: I`m not saying that`s the only way you punish. I have done all sorts of punishment. Trust me.
BEHAR: They never remember why they got hit. They remember they got hit.
SYLER: This is one of the things that Amy mentioned, but I do talk - - I did when I spanked them. I haven`t them. I haven`t spanked them in years. The point is you sit down and say here`s why or whatever.
BEHAR: Thanks, ladies, very much. We`ll be back with Cheech Marin, I`m going to spank him, I think.
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MARIN: And lastly, just been awarded his first little league franchise.
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BEHAR: He starred in films like "The Lion King," "Tin Cup," and the upcoming "Toy Story III" and of course, he`s one-half of the legendary comedy duo Cheech and Chong. His new film is called "The Perfect Game" I`m happy to welcome Cheech Marin. Hey Cheech.
MARIN: Hey Joy, how are you doing?
BEHAR: What`s your first name, really?
MARIN: Richard.
BEHAR: You got Cheech out of that?
MARIN: No, Cheech is short for chicharon - chicharon is our deep fried pigskins, and they are like Mexican potato chips. You know and when I was little, my uncle looked in the crib and he looks like a little chicharon -
BEHAR: Little chicharon.
MARIN: And so that was my nickname, Cheech.
BEHAR: I see. Because in Italian Cheech is a nickname -
MARIN: Frank.
BEHAR: For Frank. Frank Sinatra, used to call him Cheech.
MARIN: Yes, yes, Cheech.
BEHAR: Now you know, we know you from the old days the stoner movies, you know.
MARIN: Yes, yes.
BEHAR: Hey those were the good old days, hey, Cheech.
MARIN: Yes it`s still the good old days.
BEHAR: But now you`re playing a priest and it`s true story baseball movie.
MARIN: Yes, yes, this is the story of the 1957 Monterey Mexico little league team that won the World Championship, little league world series. And I was in little league when this happened. I was exactly the same age as these kids. I looked like them. I was brown and tiny, and they --
BEHAR: A little chicharon.
MARIN: Yes a little chicharon. They lead off - and so they were big heroes to me during the day and when I got the chance to be in the movie I jumped at it.
BEHAR: But you played a priest four times before.
MARIN: Four times before.
BEHAR: And I heard you also wanted to be a priest at one time.
MARIN: I did.
BEHAR: When was that?
MARIN: When I was going from grammar school from eighth grade to ninth grade. I`d taken the test and passed and I was -- my clothes were at the seminary. And then I started going to parties and meeting girls, forget this.
BEHAR: So hello, ladies, good-bye, father chicharon.
MARIN: See you later.
BEHAR: Now, you also have a documentary coming out about your reunion tour.
MARIN: Uh-huh.
BEHAR: With Chong.
MARIN: It`s called hey, watch this. Comes out 4/20. And -- enough said. And it`s really good. I`m really proud of it. We did a lot of things that were outside of the regular concert film. It`s very good. I`m proud of it.
BEHAR: So do you have new generation of stone kids now?
MARIN: You know, all three generations. The majority of the act that comes to see us right now is between 30 and 40.
BEHAR: Really?
MARIN: Which means they weren`t alive last time we were on stage. You know, so they`ve kind of -- audience has gotten bigger in our absence. It`s weird, it`s weird.
BEHAR: Isn`t that`s nice. That`s nice.
MARIN: Yes.
BEHAR: I have to ask you, what do you think about this idea of legalizing marijuana? Do you support?
MARIN: Absolutely I think it should be legal. I think it`s ridiculous it`s not. It`s a falsely created governmental prohibition. And every prohibition has created a new ruling class, whether it was prohibition from alcohol, which we created the Kennedy`s -
BEHAR: Yes.
MARIN: We`re creating the Mexican Colombian cartels are created from that. And if we want this to continue, just keep having a prohibition.
BEHAR: It will raise money for California.
MARIN: They`re going to be -- goes on the ballot in - they are going to be the first state to legalize it --
BEHAR: I was never a big fan of it though because -
MARIN: Yes?
BEHAR: Because I don`t like a drug that stimulates my appetite. Who needs it. And also keep reading the same paragraph over and over and over again.
MARIN: You do enough of it, it evens out.
BEHAR: OK Cheech, thanks very much for joining me tonight. The movie is called "The Perfect Game" and it opens Friday. Good night, everybody.
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