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Interview With Sarah Silverman; Interview With Pamela Anderson

Aired April 22, 2010 - 21:00   ET

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JOY BEHAR, HOST: Tonight on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, comedian Sarah Silverman will join me in the studio. She`ll talk about her hypnotist, her bedwetting and her suicidal friend. Sounds like fun, doesn`t it?

Then she played a lifeguard on "Baywatch", a superhero on "Stripperella" and now on "Dancing with the Stars" she plays herself. The fabulous Pam Anderson joins me.

And celebrities of the moment: Kate Gosselin and Heidi Montag are enjoying the spotlight now. What happens when that spotlight fades? Will Heidi get another 15 minutes or just another 15 surgical procedures?

That and more right now.

You want to know what bothers me about reality stars? They don`t have to work for anything. They just have to behave poorly on television, they just wake up in the morning, curse at somebody, and boom, they have a show on MTV.

Me, I had to get fired from four separate jobs. I had to work in a mental hospital. I had to do stand-up at 2:00 in the morning in front of three drunks in New Jersey; two of them were my cousins.

I did the original deaf comedy jam with real deaf people. And unlike Paris Hilton, I did not make a sex tape with a producer. I have an audio one with Harvey Korman who napped through most of it. Ok.

So here`s what I say -- Heidi, Snooki, Paris, bite me. Here to discuss reality stars and their 15 minutes of fame are Judy Gold comedian and author of "25 Questions for a Jewish Mother"; Joe Levy, editor-in-chief of "Maxim" magazine, who had a Jewish mother; and Jill Zarin star of "The Real Housewives of New York City" and author of "Secrets of a Jewish Mother".

Ai-ai, save me --

JUDY GOLDMAN, AUTHOR, "25 QUESTIONS FOR A JEWISH MOTHER": A lot of Jews here. Shabbat Shalom.

BEHAR: Shabbat Shalom.

Ok. Now Kate Gosselin, let`s start with her. She`s one of those -- the favorite. She went on Jimmy Kimmel after she was tossed off "Dancing with the Stars". Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KATE GOSSELIN, REALITY STAR: To be very, very honest if I didn`t have, as Tony says, three other lives going on then I probably could have done a whole lot better.

JIMMY KIMMEL, HOST, "JIMMY KIMMEL LIVE": So you blame the kids?

GOSSELIN: Absolutely never. Oh no. My kids are my life. But with all of the things that go on it just really -- it was hard. I mean it was hard to focus and concentrate.

All saying, I had a great time and it was a huge honor. I`m so honored to have been asked to do it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BEHAR: So --

GOLD: Oh, god.

BEHAR: Who is responsible for this woman`s -- elongated 15 minutes?

GOLD: It`s a way long 15 minutes, and she cries all the time.

BEHAR: Wouldn`t you?

JILL ZARIN, AUTHOR, "SECRETS OF A JEWISH MOTHER": America`s responsible. America is responsible. We`re buying the magazines. When a magazine -- when she`s on the cover of a magazine, when they sell more than they did the week before, they`re going to put her on again.

BEHAR: Do you think the public is that interested in her, Joe, seriously?

JOE LEVY, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, "MAXIM": If we judge by this room, apparently not.

BEHAR: I`ve had her on the show.

LEVY: She could not be more right.

BEHAR: And I talk about her all the time, so who am I?

LEVY: Her game is really based on not her show --

GOLD: It`s on the demand.

LEVY: It`s based on those weekly celebrity magazines, who put her on the cover over and over again and chronicled her divorce. And then there was the seesaw, we thought we were on Jon`s side and then he wore those shirts and we thought now we`re on Kate`s side.

BEHAR: Because of a shirt, I know.

(CROSSTALK)

BEHAR: What was he wearing -- a brown shirt?

ZARIN: No, Ed Hardy.

LEVY: Ed Hardy shirt. He was wearing it --

(CROSSTALK)

LEVY: -- and dating a 20-year-old.

BEHAR: And dating a 12-year-old.

GOLD: The nanny said that -- came out and said she hasn`t had sex in 15 months, which is why she was crying so much on "Dancing with the Stars".

BEHAR: Does your nanny -- you have two children.

GOLD: I have two children. I have a nanny. Yes, he knows every detail of my sex life. We talk about it every -- no. Did you believe me?

BEHAR: I did.

ZARIN: Oh, my God.

BEHAR: Well, because they`re always in the house, these people. They know what`s going on. Don`t you think?

ZARIN: Yes. They do.

LEVY: And they read your Twitter streams.

GOLD: Right.

LEVY: If you`re always posting about your --

ZARIN: Maybe after eight kids she doesn`t want to have sex anymore. I mean, maybe she`s done.

GOLD: Would you?

ZARIN: After eight kids, I`d be scared. I don`t know.

BEHAR: PopEater -- my friend Rob Shuter, who`s on the show a lot -- he said that Kate Gosselin may be interested in dating only celebrities now.

GOLD: That`s shocking.

BEHAR: Is this an attempt to extent the 15 minutes maybe? Because that would be -- she has to support these kids.

GOLD: Why is she famous, because she has eight kids?

ZARIN: Because she had a reality show.

LEVY: That`s an accomplishment. You have the 8 children, sure.

GOLD: Ok. Well, I`m with Joy.

BEHAR: By the way, she just also said in another article that she doesn`t want to date, so we don`t know what the truth is.

LEVY: She said on Jimmy Kimmel that she`s married to her kids. She doesn`t want to do "The Bachelorette" because she`s married to her kids; which always works out well. That really always -- that`s good for the kids.

BEHAR: Talk about a Jewish mother.

Ok. Now Kim Kardashian is back in the news because apparently she held up a cat the wrong way in a Twitter picture. Yes, that`s a serious sentence I said. See the picture? All right.

Now can someone explain to me why this woman is famous?

I`m serious. She`s also been on the show, and this is nothing personal against Kim Kardashian, she`s very charming and nice. She`s beautiful. Why is she famous?

ZARIN: She`s sexy.

BEHAR: Is that what you think?

ZARIN: I think so. Sex sells, and I think she`s very sexy. What do you think? You`re "Maxim`.

LEVY: I would agree that Kim Kardashian is very sexy. There, I said it. I tried to keep that secret as long as I could. Now America knows.

ZARIN: Yes, but do you think that`s why she`s an enigma?

LEVY: There`s the show "Keeping Up with the Kardashians" and there`s also the sexiness. Can I say it, because we`re all Jews? There`s a big tuchus involved. And it`s fabulous.

BEHAR: He said it. It so happens on an Australian TV show called "The Circle" Kim let someone touch her tuchus. Celeb.tv has the clip. Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KIM KARDASHIAN, REALITY STAR: You can grab it if you want.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, it`s -- it`s juicy and real.

KARDASHIAN: Maybe a little too juicy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. We love that you did this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You are so womanly.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s like a water bomb.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BEHAR: The sister is funny, Khloe is very funny. And they`re actually amusing. They`re almost like a sitcom. So I can see the appeal.

Same with your show.

ZARIN: Well, but families are -- like if I had a show with my mother and my sister I think it would be a lot funnier, because there`s that connection.

BEHAR: Is that your new pitch? Are you pitching this on my show? Is that a pilot pitch?

ZARIN: No, no, no.

BEHAR: Let`s tweet it. Jill gets a hobby, you might say that.

Judy, do you remember or any of you remember in the old days -- I don`t know how old you are, all of you, but people used to have more talent to be on television. You had to dance, you had to sing. Remember Sammy Davis Jr., the most talented entertainer in America?

LEVY: Who doesn`t remember Sammy?

BEHAR: And look at us.

GOLD: And people had to write an act and perform it and they did work. I don`t understand this. It`s like all you have to do is act like an idiot, and you get on reality -- I think what it does is makes Americans feel better about themselves.

BEHAR: Is that the reason?

GOLD: They watch it, and they go, "I feel so good about myself."

BEHAR: You agree with that?

ZARIN: So true. I agree with that. I think that people compare themselves to what they see on TV, and if you`re -- absolutely they compare themselves.

(CROSSTALK)

GOLD: I`m a good mother now.

LEVY: I mean "The Jersey Shore" does make me feel better about myself. You know, I`m not that tan and I`m not that buff, and I feel better about myself for not being tan and buff. It is weird. It is weird.

This is not what Andy Warhol had in mind with the whole 15-minute thing.

BEHAR: He didn`t? What did he have in mind?

LEVY: Or -- he was one of the first people -- he didn`t want to manipulate fame and he was one of the first people that declared nobody superstars just to show what the process was.

Here`s how I make someone famous. I`m so important I say you are named ultra viva and you`re a superstar. And the media played along. But we`re at the point now where if you talk to the people at MTV who put this stuff on the air, they say, hey, we talked to our audience, and they don`t want to watch a sitcom. They want to watch real people having adventures.

ZARIN: As an example, MTV was MTV video -- and now they took the video -- I`m sorry MTV Music -- music is off the logo. It`s now MTV. It`s about television. It used to be all -- it used to be music videos.

(CROSSTALK)

GOLD: And it was called Music Television and that`s why it was called MTV.

ZARIN: No more music videos on MTV. Right. Now -- but it`s gone.

BEHAR: I know, this is Headline News and now it is not. I mean --

(CROSSTALK)

GOLD: Because that was boring and this is more interesting to talk about, gossip.

BEHAR: Ok. Now you mentioned Jersey Shore, Snooki --

LEVY: Sure.

BEHAR: Another one who needs a new show probably because her 15 minutes might be up soon. She`s back in the news for dumping her boyfriend via voice mail. She accused him of using her to get famous.

(CROSSTALK)

GOLD: He wants to be on a reality show so she got really mad at him for auditioning for a reality show.

BEHAR: Is that what happened?

GOLD: Yes.

BEHAR: Was it her reality show or somebody else`s?

GOLD: No, it`s another reality show.

(CROSSTALK)

LEVY: I believe -- I believe it was "The Real World". So at least, it was still on MTV. Yes.

BEHAR: Do you believe she`ll have a long career like Meryl Streep?

LEVY: Yes, I predict she will have a long career like Meryl Streep. Exactly like that.

(CROSSTALK)

BEHAR: Al Pacino, "Scent of a Snooki". I see it now.

ZARIN: Elisabeth Hasselbeck was on "Survivor" -- I know it`s a competition, it`s not a reality show, but it was a reality venue. And look at her now.

So there is the 1 in 100 or 1,000 who do really make a career out of it.

BEHAR: That`s right. She did very well for herself, my little friend, Elisabeth.

ZARIN: And very well.

BEHAR: Now, do you think that -- let`s talk about another story, Heidi Montag.

GOLD: Oh, she`s terrific.

ZARIN: Oh, my God.

BEHAR: I feel like Heidi Montag got ten plastic surgeries to be in the spotlight.

GOLD: Oh, totally.

BEHAR: I think that`s very, very drastic, don`t you, Jill?

ZARIN: Just beyond disgusting. I`m sorry.

BEHAR: Now there are reports that Heidi is dropping her sexual harassment lawsuit against Hills` creator.

GOLD: Because maybe it was --

BEHAR: Why? Some people say it could be a publicity stunt.

GOLD: Wow, do you think she would have a publicity stunt. I`m shocked.

BEHAR: Shocking, isn`t it.

GOLD: What is she going to do after her 15 minutes are up? They can rent herself out as a flotation device. That`s about it.

LEVY: Oh.

BEHAR: Did you see that picture in Vegas, like a Barbie doll? She actually looked like a Barbie doll.

ZARIN: Yes.

(CROSSTALK)

GOLD: It`s really -- it`s really pathetic.

LEVY: There it is. There.

(CROSSTALK)

ZARIN: The boobs have got to be taken down a little.

GOLD: Did you know that she reached the limit -- the FDA limit in boob size?

BEHAR: No, seriously?

GOLD: Yes, I read it online, she has reached the FDA.

BEHAR: Why because they`ll -- they`ll pop?

GOLD: Yes, she has reached -- she cannot get anymore implants.

LEVY: I didn`t know the government -- I didn`t know the government was regulating that.

GOLD: Yes.

LEVY: They finally have gone too far. I`m joining the TEA Party. I am.

ZARIN: The government wants to regulate everything.

BEHAR: Ok, my Jewish friends. Thanks very much.

She`s hilarious, she is cute and she is a bed wetter. Cover the furniture. Sarah Silverman stops by next.

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BEHAR: She is a comedian, an actress, a musician -- a musician and now an author of a new book entitled "The Bed Wetter" also the original title of Karl Rove`s memoir, I believe.

Her edgy and unapologetic comedy takes on social taboos and controversial topics like racism, sexism and religion. I`m happy to welcome back to my show, the lovely and talented Miss Sarah Silverman.

SARAH SILVERMAN, COMEDIAN: A musician. I mean, like I`m a super crappy guitarist. But I guess that counts.

BEHAR: Well, they put you as a musician. If you can thwack you know.

SILVERMAN: I`ll take it.

BEHAR: So this "The Bed Wetter" -- quite a title for a book, I think.

SILVERMAN: What did you do to the cover?

BEHAR: Oh, I was just doodling.

SILVERMAN: How dare you.

BEHAR: Because you always -- what do you mean, you always put mustaches on yourself, so I was doing it.

SILVERMAN: Yes I do it.

BEHAR: I do it to myself, too.

So you were a bed wetter until high school.

SILVERMAN: Look what she did. This is the kind of respect I get. That`s the respect I get.

BEHAR: How about glasses? Should we put glasses?

SILVERMAN: Whatever.

BEHAR: You know you`re so pretty, Sarah no matter what I redo you still look good even with a beard and mustache like Leon Trotsky.

SILVERMAN: I can pull off -- I can pull off facial hair, thank God.

BEHAR: It`s true. But I mean, so you were a bed wetter until high school, and depressed. At one point you were taking according to your book 16 Xanax a day.

SILVERMAN: It`s true.

BEHAR: Weren`t you comatose with 16 Xanax a day?

SILVERMAN: I must have been a little dead inside. I remember this was prescribed to me by a doctor and she just kept upping it and upping it; this in the 80s until I taking four Xanax four times a day. And I remember I kept the pill bottles in a shoe box because I thought to myself, this has to be wrong.

BEHAR: Or did you save any because --

SILVERMAN: What`s on your face?

BEHAR: I don`t know.

SILVERMAN: Oh, yes, it just came off. You had a little -- you had a little, you had something, but it fell off. You had one of these.

BEHAR: Everyone wants to touch my (EXPLETIVE DELETED) on this show.

SILVERMAN: You know one of the sparkly things. It was like straight on here and I go, is she doing some sort of Tina Louise situation. And now it`s going to -- fell off.

BEHAR: Last week Eliot Spitzer`s prostitute Ashley Dupre asked me if I wanted to touch her boobs. What is going on, on this show?

SILVERMAN: I don`t know. But you know what, you are known for many things. You`re funny. You`re beautiful. And you have great (EXPLETIVE DELETED). I mean, that`s --

BEHAR: So that happens to be a fact.

SILVERMAN: That is well known.

BEHAR: It`s true. Known far and wide for my (EXPLETIVE DELETED). Now, another thing about your history that was interesting to me, I mean, it`s not funny. It sounds like a joke almost that your shrink killed himself, and before your appointment. That really annoyed me. Couldn`t he wait until after the appointment?

SILVERMAN: Not only that, but I remember that he was one of the -- he was a grown-up obviously, but he had like braces. I remember thinking like, I can`t believe he doesn`t even like wait and see how life changes with straight teeth, you know. But not to make light of it, I`m making light of it, but it was -- this was --

BEHAR: Oh, I see your point.

SILVERMAN: -- it was, you know, New Hampshire in the winter, so it`s like pitch-black at 4:00 p.m. My mom drops me off for my second appointment, and I`m waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting. And then the -- it`s like this Victorian house that he shares with a hypnotist on the second floor who I also went to for bed- wetting to no avail.

And the bed-wetting hypnotist came down and -- with like crazy, teary, bloodshot eyes and went, "Dr. Riley hung himself." And I`m just sitting on the couch like -- this is before cell phones or anything. So I`m just -- I don`t know what to do with this information, other than I had to just wait for the rest of the hour to be over for my mom to pick me up.

BEHAR: Look, here`s my question. Did you have to pay for the session?

SILVERMAN: I don`t think so.

BEHAR: All right, now --

SILVERMAN: I think you know, Joy, that I didn`t --

BEHAR: You know, my shrink got Alzheimer`s in the middle of a session. She just started to babble. We all have our crosses to bear in this department.

SILVERMAN: oh, my gosh.

BEHAR: Now, your book came out on Hitler`s birthday. Any coincidence there?

SILVERMAN: No. Not at all it was a -- a lot of research was done and they find that people buy books on Hitler`s birthday. It`s a weird --

BEHAR: That is weird. Now you --

SILVERMAN: Well, 4/20 is also like a stoner`s holiday. I don`t know why.

BEHAR: Ok, well, you took on the Nazis and the holocaust on the season finale of your show Sarah Silverman program. Let`s take a look at that.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SILVERMAN: Don`t be fooled by imitation Holocaust memorial, come to mine. Sarah Silverman`s Holocaust Memorial, Auschwitz? You`ll be saying Wowschwitz.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know Sarah, it`s not a competition.

SILVERMAN: That`s what losers say. I`m going to bury you Silverman. You`re going to wish the Holocaust never happened.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BEHAR: Ok, how much hate mail did you get for that one?

SILVERMAN: I don`t -- well, I don`t think enough people watched the show to get hate mail. But -- yes, that was our last episode that aired last Thursday. And --

BEHAR: Is it over?

SILVERMAN: Yes.

BEHAR: So finis (ph)?

SILVERMAN: I would say yes.

BEHAR: All right.

SILVERMAN: But we had such a good time. It was a great show.

BEHAR: Yes.

SILVERMAN: And that was a fun episode where my sister and I had competing Holocaust memorials. Hers was like a beautiful monument made of recovered Nazi gold and mine had one of those like flying money booth, you know.

BEHAR: Yes, yes, I like the idea. It`s nice to have a lovely Holocaust memorial. The Nazis are in the news a lot lately. We are constantly talking about Sandra Bullock`s husband Jesse James who was also a Nazi aficionado in many ways. What do you make of that relationship?

SILVERMAN: The relationship between Sandra Bullock --

BEHAR: Sandra and the husband who love Nazi memorabilia?

SILVERMAN: Well, I mean, I don`t know him but I mean, he may not love it the way like a skin head or something loves it. And maybe he`s fascinated by it like --

BEHAR: Yes.

SILVERMAN: -- a lot of people are kind of fascinated by that kind of power and genocide which still goes on today, although we feel like we`ve learned something from World War II. We continue to let it happen -- not to get political.

Let`s talking about pooping.

BEHAR: Ok, when we comeback we`ll talk about pooping

We`ll be back in just a moment.

SILVERMAN: Yey.

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BEHAR: I`m back with the very funny Sarah Silverman.

SILVERMAN: Let me tell you something Joy.

BEHAR: Yes.

SILVERMAN: Last time I was here I did like every show, "Letterman", "The View", everything, and this show, everyone like -- everyone saw me on your show. Like more than any other show people saw me on this show. Everyone watches your show. I don`t get but good for you.

BEHAR: Yes, they do. It`s a very hot show.

Like you, Conan O`Brien was a "Saturday Night Live" alum. Did you know that? I didn`t realize that. It was a long time ago.

SILVERMAN: Yes. That`s how he became -- he (INAUDIBLE) from being like this hilarious writer on the show.

BEHAR: You were up there too, right?

Was Warren Michaels good to you? Were the guys good to you, was it a boys` club?

SILVERMAN: It was some kind of a boys` club. Then it was -- it hadn`t been -- you know, it`s had such an incredible like women`s movement it seems, but it was an incredible experience. I was there with legendary people.

BEHAR: Who were you there with? Who was there at your time?

SILVERMAN: I mean, my time, I was just there one year. I was very peripheral, but it was incredible. It was almost like my favorite year where I really got to see so much, you know.

I mean, it was Adam Sandler, Chris Farley, Phil Hartman, David Spade, Mike Myers, Julia Sweeney. It was like --

BEHAR: Two of them are dead.

SILVERMAN: I know.

BEHAR: Chris Farley and Hartman are both dead from that year. That`s weird, isn`t it? That they`re he both dead. Very strange.

SILVERMAN: Yes. That`s not where I was going with the story, but yes, ok.

BEHAR: After the suicidal shrink, you put me in a death head. The other day --

SILVERMAN: Everyone I touch dies.

BEHAR: One more thing about SNL. You write in the book about stabbing Al Franken in the head while at SNL. will you please explain yourself.

SILVERMAN: This is -- ok. I don`t know if you can relate to that kind of -- when you`re just sitting -- we`re all sitting around the table. They keep very, very sharpened pencils at the ready. I have a pencil in my hand and I was always leaning back with my feet under here. And I always sat next to Al Franken.

He was kind of like my home base for whatever reason, and it was the winter so he had grown a big Jew-fro (ph) out. Because that`s what they do -- they grow them out in the winter.

In my head I don`t think I thought of this consciously, but almost like the way dogs think in pictures. I just felt like I`m going to stab this pencil through his hair, but what I did and what people saw was me just go stab him at the temple. Like I misjudged where his hair started and his head stopped, or something. So just you see me stab a man with a pencil in the temple and him scream.

I wanted to explain, but I didn`t have a good explanation. I mean, it was crazy, and two I was laughing too hard to talk.

BEHAR: And that man is a senator of the United States.

SILVERMAN: I know. I`m glad I did it then and not now.

BEHAR: Well, Sarah thanks for coming on again. Anytime you want to come back, just call me.

The book is called "The Bed Wetter: Stories of courage, redemption and pain". I can`t show them because she wrote a word on it that I can`t show you. But I`ll do it like this.

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BEHAR: The brother of Oscar winner Mo`nique was on Oprah this week apologizing for molesting her as a child. Take a look.

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GERALD IMES, MO`NIQUE`S BROTHER: Most of the time the abuse I did with my sister took place while she was asleep. It was the appearance of that she was asleep. She may not have been asleep.

OPRAH: Uh-huh.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BEHAR: It seems now that Mo`nique didn`t like the way it turned out, and she`s angry. Here with the latest is Entertainment journalist, Tanika Ray. Tanika, Mo`nique gave Oprah her blessing for the interview, so what`s she mad about now?

TANIKA RAY, ENTERTAINMENT JOURNALIST: Yes, you know it`s one thing in your head to conceptualize actually seeing your past play out on camera. Or the details of it. But to actually see it. Mo`Nique has dealt with this, the phases of recovery with herself and with her husband and with her family. The people that she deems close to her, not her parents, obviously, and not her brother. When she dealt with it, she had to deal with, you know, not taking guilt, not blaming herself, being able to face it head on in order to play Mary Jones, which was an incredible character which she won an Oscar for and to actually go from that in your head to it being a reality and the whole world hearing what happens to you is incredibly -- it makes you vulnerable, it`s very invasive and I think she`s just freaking out a little bit.

BEHAR: I can understand that. And I also read she didn`t like he the idea that she said she was asleep while he was molesting her. She says that she was wide awake and she was petrified. So he didn`t really explain it exactly accurately.

RAY: That could be a little bit of denial left over on his part. Absolutely. I mean, this is a very profound, deep topic that this family is airing in front of the world. I mean I couldn`t even imagine doing it in therapy in the privacy of someone`s office let alone on Oprah`s show, which the world watches. So yes, there might be grains of denial left with her brother, but you know what? They`re getting somewhere and there`s a process here at work. And it`s painful and as much as she thought she purged the demons and it was a cathartic experience to play Mary Jones in "Precious", now it`s all sort of riled up again.

BEHAR: Yes.

RAY: Very much in her face.

BEHAR: Yes, is she mad at Oprah for not confronting her brother more strongly?

RAY: You know she might be a little mad at Oprah. But like I said, to one of your producers, it`s like being mad at principal for putting you on detention. I mean you`re going to be mad at them because Oprah is the one that facilitated the interview, Oprah`s the one that got her parents, they are saying that - that Mo`nique hasn`t talked to them even the last couple of years. So Mo`nique went from this very strong place standing on the podium going, I`m the best actress in the world right now and I`ve purged all these demons and now her parents are sort of putting her in the corner saying she`s not talking to us and kind of making her out to be the bad guy.

BEHAR: Yes.

RAY: So I think it`s a conflicting amount of emotions going on, and this is not the last we`ll hear of it. I don`t know, maybe in the future Mo`nique and her brother will on Oprah together to really, really grind this down and get it hashed out.

BEHAR: Well I don`t see why he couldn`t just pick up the phone and call his sister and apologize to her privately. It seems like there`s other motivation here, that he wants a little game for himself, right?

RAY: Well you know Mo`nique, Mo`nique doesn`t play. If she doesn`t want to talk, she`s not talking to you. And she`s made that very clear. She has cut this man out of her life in order for her to heal. So for her -- he doesn`t even probably have her phone number. Yes, we can get in touch with each other on Facebook, but I think she`s shared him enough and Mo`nique`s husband has put the wall up enough where he feels like there`s no line of communication open between the two. So maybe this was his only venue to get in touch with his sister and it was a powerful one, you know.

BEHAR: Yes.

RAY: You know, Oprah, I love the fact that she actually talked to Mo`nique and wanted to get her blessing. And once Mo`nique gave her her blessing, it was a ratings, you know, explosion. It was all about what America wants to hear, and Oprah did her job.

BEHAR: Right.

RAY: You can`t be mad at her for that.

BEHAR: No, we can`t be mad at her, we all try to do our jobs even though sometimes it`s explosive stuff. OK, thanks very much, Tanika.

RAY: Yes, thank you, Joy. Nice seeing you.

BEHAR: My next guest is an actress, activists, and now she can add dancing to her credentials. Take a look at her in action on "DANCING WITH THE STARS."

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You won`t, no you won`t. Because I can`t make you love me if you don`t --

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BEHAR: Where do you learn to do that? If I tried that I`d be in intensive care for a month. But Pamela Anderson pulled it off. It`s just one of the impressive moves she`s trotted out on this season`s "DANCING WITH THE STARS." and joining me now is the lovely and limber Pamela Anderson. Hello Pamela. How are you?

PAMELA ANDERSON, ACTRESS: Thank you, I`m good, I`m good.

BEHAR: OK, can we talk about that split, seriously? How were you able to do that exactly and not really, you know, hurt yourself?

ANDERSON: I think I`ve practiced it across a lifetime. For some reason I just wanted to make sure I could always do it. I knew it would come in handy someday.

BEHAR: OK. Now you know, I understand that they had asked you to be on "DANCING WITH THE STARS" previous to this and you turned them down. What made you change your mind?

ANDERSON: Well I watched it for one. I hadn`t seen it before. I just thought that, you know, they sent me season 8 and I watched it two days straight in my bedroom and I thought that looks like so much fun. I absolutely have to do it. And everybody around me told me don`t do that, you can`t do "DANCING WITH THE STARS." But as soon as I saw it, I have to do it. I love it.

BEHAR: Well you are very good, I have to tell you, you did a great job.

ANDERSON: Thank you.

BEHAR: You`re very limber, as I said, and you have rhythm and style as opposed to Kate Gosselin, poor thing, who is being criticized roundly this week for her bad dancing skills and I --

ANDERSON: It`s tough.

BEHAR: It`s tough?

ANDERSON: Yes, you have to be very brave. You have to give everybody credit on that show. Because it`s not just about the rehearsals and learning the dance, it`s doing it in front of everybody, live, with a live band.

BEHAR: Yes.

ANDERSON: It`s intimidating especially for somebody who hasn`t done any kind of performance like that.

BEHAR: Right, right that`s true. But she also had a reputation for being a diva on that show. Can we talk about it or?

ANDERSON: OK.

BEHAR: Do you have the inside info?

ANDERSON: I don`t know how you could be a diva because you`re really kind of at mercy of everybody else. It`s just like a machine. You`re stuck in the machine and can`t get out until you get kicked off. So I haven`t seen too many diva moments, no.

BEHAR: Uh huh, no one said you were a diva. No one said that about you.

ANDERSON: I hope not, I hope not, no.

BEHAR: Maybe there`s something about her that makes people want to attack her. I can`t figure her out yet.

ANDERSON: No. Neither can I. No, but she`s trying.

BEHAR: I think sometimes diva behavior is because you have stage fright. I mean certainly have stage fright when I do certain kinds of performing. You know so --

ANDERSON: Right, I mean, if you know what you want, too, sometimes you can come across, you know, bitchy but sometimes it`s just a real strong opinion.

BEHAR: Exactly. A lot of women are called bitches when they`re really just being assertive, right, Pam?

ANDERSON: Right, right, right, yes.

BEHAR: And some women are just bitches.

ANDERSON: Yes and some women are just, yes, for no reason.

BEHAR: OK, so you are a single mom, right?

ANDERSON: Yes.

BEHAR: You have two boys. I didn`t know that about you.

ANDERSON: Yes, I do. You didn`t?

BEHAR: I didn`t know you had two boys until I read some research about you for this interview. How old are they?

ANDERSON: Really? They`re 12 and 13. Dillon (ph) is 12 and Brandon is 13. And all that goes with that, yes, I have teenage boys. A lot of fun.

BEHAR: I bet they`re madly in love with their mother.

ANDERSON: Well, considering the gene pool, they`re perfect gentlemen. I tell you that all the time.

BEHAR: Who`s their father. I don`t remember this part?

ANDERSON: Tommy Lee.

BEHAR: Oh, Tommy Lee, oh whatever.

ANDERSON: Sorry.

BEHAR: So, you know, just to bring back Kate into the conversation for one second only because it`s relevant to this, there was a lot of talk about her being an absentee mother because she was on the show instead of being home with all her kids. You know Gosselin himself was criticizing her for a minute there. You know --

ANDERSON: Well I didn`t realize that her kids weren`t here with her. I know they came at the very end. I`ve been rehearsing when my kids are at school and driving them to all their practices. I kind of leave rehearsal and go to lacrosse and water polo. I get back to rehearse. But always want to do everything myself. So no, nannies, no housekeepers. Just me and the boys.

BEHAR: But don`t you think the media is harder on working women than they are on working men? I mean --

ANDERSON: No, I`m sure. I`m sure.

BEHAR: I mean no one said that about some of the men, Jerry Springer - I don`t even know who was on that show. Some of the men who were on the astronaut.

ANDERSON: Jerry Springer?

BEHAR: Nobody said where are his children?

ANDERSON: Buzz.

BEHAR: He`s 85.

ANDERSON: Oh but his children are full grown.

BEHAR: Nobody said where are his great-great-grandchildren tonight.

ANDERSON: Exactly.

BEHAR: OK, so -

ANDERSON: You know, we have to do everything. Women have to be tough.

BEHAR: Yes, that`s right.

ANDERSON: You do.

BEHAR: I`m wondering at this stage in your career because you have a nice resume at this point, you know, "BAYWATCH" and everything, and everybody sees you as a sex symbol. Do you want to continue to have that image as you get older? Do you want to be a sex symbol when you`re 60 for example?

ANDERSON: Well I don`t think anyone plans on being a sex symbol, but it`s always a compliment. I guess people say that sometimes. But "BAYWATCH" was a lot of fun. I kind of feel that I come from "BAYWATCH" to "DANCING WITH THE STARS." This is something I would have done after "BAYWATCH." If I didn`t get sidetracked and get married a few times, you know, and you go crazy I guess-a little bit.

BEHAR: I hate it when that happens.

ANDERSON: I know but it happens, it happens around here or anywhere. So I`m just having fun and I`m still really enjoying myself. And I feel like I get to do a performance every week to a different song and a lot goes into it for me, not just the dancing but the character and the music and the, you know, rehearsals. A lot and I really enjoy it. It`s like doing a little play every week.

BEHAR: I hear you want to be a Bond girl?

ANDERSON: Oh, someone said that to me the other day. Who doesn`t want to be a Bond girl?

BEHAR: My ex-husband.

ANDERSON: What? -- wouldn`t that be great.

BEHAR: I mean, you know, that would be a nice little transition for you. I think that would be fun for you.

ANDERSON: -- transition. I don`t really know.

BEHAR: All right we`re going to take a break. Stay right there Pamela because we have much more. We are going to bring out your dancing partner after the quick break.

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BEHAR: That was Pamela Anderson and her dance partner, Damian Whitewood from "DANCING WITH THE STARS" and they`re both joining me now. OK, Damian, you must have thought you died and went to heaven when they paired you with Pamela Anderson?

DAMIAN WHITEWOOD, ANDERSON`S "DWTS" PARTNER: Yes, I`m a lucky man, that`s for sure. I`m living the dream teaching Pamela Anderson how to dance.

BEHAR: You are living la vida loca. OK, you two were very hot on the dance floor, and you know, a lot of -- I`ve heard rumors that there`s a few romances that are going on over there between Chad ocho sinco and somebody. Is there anything with you two?

ANDERSON: You answer this time, yes you answer.

WHITEWOOD: Me, no. We`re having a great time he. It`s a perfect working relationship.

ANDERSON: Yes, it`s very innocent.

BEHAR: OK.

ANDERSON: Only the sex, we leave it on the dance floor.

BEHAR: Don`t you have a girlfriend? I thought you had a girlfriend anyway right?

WHITEWOOD: I do, my professional dance partner.

BEHAR: Oh. OK.

ANDERSON: Oh.

BEHAR: You two have been getting very good scores from the judges, and yet you don`t really come in on top when the voting comes in. Why not? What do you think that`s about?

WHITEWOOD: I don`t know. We need people to vote for us. We`re definitely putting the hard work in and the judges are very rewards to us.

ANDERSON: Yes and we have a lot of support. We have a lot of fans voting. Everyone is sweet. I see you know a lot of people on Twitter and Facebook, and we seem to have a lot of support even internationally. People are saying they are voting. So I guess they`re just wasting more votes.

WHITEWOOD: And we got to get higher scores.

ANDERSON: And higher scores.

BEHAR: Well you`re not getting kicked off. You`re just not doing as well as one would think since the scores the judges are giving you are very good. That`s all I`m saying. I wonder if there`s women too jealous of Pamela maybe? You think.

ANDERSON: Oh dear, I don`t think so.

WHITEWOOD: Then they can vote for me.

ANDERSON: Vote for Damian.

BEHAR: Vote for Damian, all right let`s look at a clip of the two of you rehearsing.

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ANDERSON: This is the most cardio vascular work I`ve done in a while. Sad, isn`t it.

WHITEWOOD: I`ve been pushing Pamela little harder this week because the quickstep requires a lot more cardio than the other dances we`ve done so far.

ANDERSON: I`m officially exhausted. Damian has kicked my butt. Just really fast. There`s a lot of steps. I hope I can pull it off.

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BEHAR: You look good in those shorts, Pamela.

ANDERSON: Thanks.

BEHAR: Tell me something, let`s talk real girl to girl. I use a little Botox. I tell it on television all the time. That`s the limit for me, a little Botox, a little restylane. What about you?

ANDERSON: No Botox. Haven`t done anything to my face.

BEHAR: That leaves quite a bit body parts. So let`s --

ANDERSON: Well there`s the obvious.

BEHAR: I don`t know, the boobs.

ANDERSON: That`s it.

BEHAR: Just the boobs.

ANDERSON: That`s it.

BEHAR: Oh just the boobs, no lipo or nothing like that?

ANDERSON: No, no.

BEHAR: Wow that`s pretty impressive. I`ll tell you right now. How about you, Damian?

WHITEWOOD: Yes, I`m still new to this. Nothing.

ANDERSON: He just got here. Wait.

BEHAR: They get away with murder. What about the challenging part of this show? What do you find the most difficult thing about being on "DANCING WITH THE STARS?" Is it the hard work?

ANDERSON: I think it`s - no, I love hard work. I mean it`s good for me to be on a schedule and work really hard, I love the rehearsal. The hard part is all the reality show element of the show. The drama and backstage, the interviews, the camera is always there. That kind of stuff. I love the dancing and I love what I do with Damian and that`s the best part. That`s the best part. The rest of it is difficult because I don`t want to fall into the trappings of trying to manipulate an audience. I want to be me and work really hard.

BEHAR: Right, who do you think is your biggest competition over there?

ANDERSON: Everybody. Gosh --

BEHAR: Just pick one. Pick one. Pick one.

ANDERSON: Well there`s Nicole and Evan. You know they have great backgrounds in dance and they`re athletes. So that kind of gives them a little bit of an edge.

WHITEWOOD: Definitely helps.

ANDERSON: You know everybody has their chemistry, and people don`t just vote for people that are the best dancers, they vote because they love the person or the celebrity or whoever they`re voting for. So it`s a combination of things.

BEHAR: Right.

ANDERSON: So hopefully we get to do really well and keep on going.

BEHAR: Well what`s your next plan? What dance do you do next?

ANDERSON: Argentina tango.

WHITEWOOD: And the big swing as well.

BEHAR: The tango is a nice dance. Robert Duvall is good at that dance.

ANDERSON: Is he?

BEHAR: Just a little tidbit for you.

ANDERSON: Thanks.

BEHAR: He happens to be. I just heard that.

So I`m happy to hear that -- are you two going to win, you think at the end of the season? Are you going to be the winners?

WHITEWOOD: We want to win.

ANDERSON: We want to win, I have a long way to go. But we are rehearsing a lot. My mom flew in from Canada to help me watch the boys and so I get to rehearse more now. And she loves you by the way. You are her favorite.

BEHAR: Your mom.

ANDERSON: She always says why don`t you do the JOY BEHAR SHOW? My mom is here.

BEHAR: Well you are doing it, see - and you know what in the next segment we`re bringing your mother on with you.

ANDERSON: Yes, watch out.

BEHAR: Because you have a lot of people who love you, Pam. So we are going to bring them. Thanks Damian for doing this.

ANDERSON: Thank you.

WHITEWOOD: Thank you.

ANDERSON: Thank you.

BEHAR: We`ll be back with more from Pam and her mom. Hang on there.

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BEHAR: I`m back with lovely Pamela Anderson who is joined now by her lovely mother, Carol Anderson. Please welcome her to the show. Hello, carol, how are you?

CAROL ANDERSON, PAMELA ANDERSON`S MOTHER: Hi, Joy. This is so exciting.

BEHAR: Is it exciting?

C. ANDERSON: To see you, yes, I can`t believe I`m on the show. I watch it everyday.

BEHAR: See most people get excited when they see your daughter. But you get excited when you see me. That`s the difference between me and Pamela.

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C. ANDERSON: Unbelievable.

BEHAR: OK.

C. ANDERSON: You don`t sound like -- it doesn`t sound like you`re watching the show, though. You know the number to phone.

BEHAR: Yes.

C. ANDERSON: Do you watch "DANCING WITH THE STARS?"

BEHAR: I do. Because on THE VIEW, it`s a continuous topic. We`re always talking about "DANCING WITH THE STARS" so I have to watch it. Your daughter is very good

ANDERSON: You know my number is 11.

C. ANDERSON: The number is 3411. Pamela`s number.

BEHAR: OK.

ANDERSON: You can tell she`s a big supporter.

BEHAR: I bet you guys have a lot of fun together, mother and daughter, huh?

C. ANDERSON: We do.

BEHAR: You giggle together, don`t you?

C. ANDERSON: Yes.

BEHAR: What kind of a kid was Pamela?

C. ANDERSON: A tomboy, actually.

BEHAR: Really?

C. ANDERSON: She was a real tomboy. Swing from the tree, lots of sports.

BEHAR: There goes that lesbian theory we all have.

ANDERSON: Oh, my god, you`re so funny. You`re so weird.

(LAUGHTER)

BEHAR: You know, Pamela, I know -- I have to ask you a question because people have been tweeting questions for you, you know. And one of them is -

ANDERSON: Oh wow, OK.

BEHAR: Why does Pamela love the bad boys because you`ve had a couple of bad boys. What is it about a bad boy?

ANDERSON: Why mom?

C. ANDERSON: Because she always likes a challenge.

BEHAR: She likes the challenge.

C. ANDERSON: Finally she`s learning, you can`t change them, they are what they are.

ANDERSON: That`s why I`m doing "DANCING WITH THE STARS" it`s a healthy challenge.

BEHAR: That`s interesting, that`s a better challenge for you. So in other words, you were attracted to this kid rock and Tommy Lee because they`re bad and you`re going to change them. Is that the fantasy.

C. ANDERSON: They`re so opposite, so opposite people.

BEHAR: I see, that`s interesting, were you like that, Carol?

C. ANDERSON: I don`t know. I married my first date.

BEHAR: Your first date. You know in those days --

ANDERSON: He was on a motorcycle.

C. ANDERSON: I was 15 and we`ve been married --

ANDERSON: How many years? Forty two years. They`ve been married and madly in love and have the most wonderful relationship. And it`s exciting to see that.

BEHAR: Isn`t that nice?

ANDERSON: Isn`t that nice.

BEHAR: And you`re so proud of your daughter. Let me as you something, how did you feel when Pam posed in "Playboy," you know, a lot of girls do it. And she looked great. And so how did you feel, and how did your husband feel when he saw that?

C. ANDERSON: Well that was - you know, it wasn`t a shock because obviously we discussed it for quite a while before she did that. But I knew she was going to go to L.A., Los Angeles, and they were very nice people. I was with her. They flew me out, too. So it was very -- it was done very nice.

BEHAR: So you got a free trip out of it. Who`s better than you?

C. ANDERSON: I did, yes.

ANDERSON: That was my first plane ride. They never asked me to be on --

BEHAR: You know, Pam, I have to ask you, it seems as though you`re between men right now, am I right, Pamela?

ANDERSON: Yes. Well I`m not between any men.

BEHAR: No, good one, Pam. Good one. And keep it that way.

ANDERSON: Yes, I am.

BEHAR: Well good luck to you in finding a new boyfriend that`s really good for you, OK?

ANDERSON: Thank you.

BEHAR: And thank you, Carol, for joining me, too.

C. ANDERSON: Oh thank you, thank you.

BEHAR: Be sure to watch Pamela on ABC`s "DANCING WITH THE STARS" Mondays and Tuesdays at 8:00 p.m. vote for -- what is it number 11? Eleven.

ANDERSON: I`m 11.

BEHAR: OK, 3411.

ANDERSON: What is mom.

C. ANDERSON: 3411 -

BEHAR: OK, bye girls, bye.

ANDERSON: Bye.

BEHAR: Good night, everybody.

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