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Bret Michaels Fights for his Life; Wall Street Goes to Washington; Border Crossing
Aired April 27, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HOST: Tonight on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, rocker and "Celebrity Apprentice" star, Bret Michaels, remains in critical condition after suffering a brain hemorrhage. We`ll get the latest on his prognosis.
Then a new study says gaining 10 or 15 pounds may not be a bad thing. I just love being ahead of the curves.
And William Shatner has been in my bedroom nearly every night for 30 years, and always in costume. It`s nice to have something to count on in this life.
All and that more starts now.
Rock star Bret Michaels is still in intensive care after suffering a brain hemorrhage, but doctors are hopeful that he can make a full recovery. "Celebrity Apprentice" host, Donald Trump has also weighed in on his friend`s situation saying he`s in big, big trouble.
What is Michaels` prognosis? Here to talk about that are Ken Baker, executive news editor of E!; joining me by phone, Donald Trump host and executive producer of "Celebrity Apprentice"; and Dr. Travis Stork, author of "The Doctor is In" and host of "The Doctors".
Ok, let`s start with you Ken. Tell me what the latest is.
KEN BAKER, EXECUTIVE NEWS EDITOR, E! (via telephone): Well, the latest is that Bret Michaels is still in the hospital in Arizona. The good news is that he`s conscious. He`s communicating, and the worst seems to be behind him.
Now, the bad news, however, is that his speech is slurred. We`re also told he`s had blurry vision, and his headaches have not really abated. And also a complication is that we have no update from his people over what the source of the hemorrhage is.
We just know that he had the hemorrhage. They were desperately trying to figure out what was causing it, and as of the last update, we haven`t gotten that information.
BEHAR: What are the doctors doing?
BAKER: Well, the doctors have been performing tests and they`ve been monitoring his situation. He`s still in critical condition, Joy. This is not -- it was initially reported that he`s been upgraded to serious condition back on Friday. Quickly his people said, no. He`s still in critical condition and he has been so for the last four days now.
And this comes -- it`s been almost two weeks, he had an emergency appendectomy. And a lot of people are speculating among medical professionals we talked to that if you do get a blood clot -- which does happen, not often but it can happen -- you have major surgery that you can, in fact, develop some sort of complications that can lead to an aneurysm, that could lead to a hemorrhaging. But that`s all speculation right now.
Right now the doctors are focused on trying to find out what was the cause of the hemorrhage. The hemorrhage seems to have abated. Like I said before, he`s conscious and communicating, and that is a good sign.
BEHAR: But no one in the family, no doctors are actually speaking, which might be a bad sign or a good sign? I don`t know what that is really.
BAKER: Well, you know, actually his father did speak out today. His father said that he did have a phone conversation with Bret. Bret seems to be in good spirits. He was able to speak. And he was speaking slowly and that is consistent with what we learned about the slurred speech.
But at the same time the big concern for a lot of fans is now that -- now that it seems as though he`s -- this isn`t going to be a fatal hemorrhage, at least for now it doesn`t seem like that, the question a lot of fans have is will he be able to perform again? And it`s just so early to say whether or not that will be the case.
BEHAR: That`s the least of his problems right now.
BAKER: Right.
BEHAR: He has to get better. Thanks, Ken, very much.
Now let me go to Donald Trump on the phone. Hello, Donald.
DONALD TRUMP, HOST, "CELEBRITY APPRENTICE" (via telephone): Hi Joy.
BEHAR: What do you know about Bret`s condition, Donald?
TRUMP: Well, he`s very, very serious and has a very strongly slurred speech and he`s trying to get better, and that`s much more important than the show itself. The show is -- as you know the show does very well, but we really like having Bret on that show.
I just can`t imagine -- you know, from everything I`ve read about this kind of a problem, 50 percent of the people don`t even reach the hospital alive. So you`re talking about a very, very serious situation.
BEHAR: That`s right.
TRUMP: And it really is a prolonged situation because even when you`re in the hospital you can have a recurrence very quickly. So we`re just interested in him. We just like him. He`s been a quality guy. He`s done great on the "Celebrity Apprentice" and we`re really interested in him. Not just getting him back to the show because I think that would -- I would imagine, Joy, that would hard.
BEHAR: That would be terrible. I know, he`s a very sweet guy. He`s been on my show, too. He`s a lot of fun. He`s a nice guy. That`s why we`re interested in what`s going on, too.
TRUMP: People love him. I mean even me. I didn`t think he was going to be particularly good at the beginning of the show. I said this guy is going to be gone first, and then -- you know he worked harder than anybody else.
Everybody liked him more than anybody else. Everybody liked him. They all have their little cliques. He was in every clique.
BEHAR: Oh, really.
TRUMP: Everybody liked him. He was just a terrific guy, so we hope he`s ok.
BEHAR: Have you been in touch with his family or any of his friends?
TRUMP: Yes.
BEHAR: And what did they have to say to you?
TRUMP: Well, they`re hoping. I mean you know it`s tough. It`s a tough one. When you see the various doctors commenting on what happened to him, I mean most of them just -- the prognosis is terrible.
BEHAR: Does anyone have any idea --
TRUMP: He`s still living, that`s because he`s so tough, I think.
BEHAR: Well, does anyone have any idea what caused this? I mean there`s a lot of theories around but no one seems to have any idea.
TRUMP: What do I know? I`m not a doctor. When I saw him get whacked on the head at the Tony Awards, that was a serious thrashing when you look at it. Did you ever see that?
BEHAR: Yes, I did.
TRUMP: And he really took a -- they dropped a stage right on top of him. I watched that, and I said, maybe it`s a year later or less than a year, but that was a very, very serious hit he took.
BEHAR: How was he on the "Apprentice"? That was taped a couple of months ago.
TRUMP: He was great.
BEHAR: He seemed ok then?
TRUMP: And you`re right. That was a long time ago but you know the brain is so fragile. You just don`t know. Maybe there`s a slow bleed or something and that leads to something else. I don`t know but, when I watched that, it just felt to me like that could be something that could have been lasting because he took a serious whack on the head.
BEHAR: Yes. I guess, on the show -- on your show, the finale is four weeks away. How are you going to handle that factor?
TRUMP: I don`t know, Joy. It`s sort of an interesting situation. Probably in the history of a major reality show we`ve never had anything like this, because Bret, as you know, is still on the show.
BEHAR: I know.
TRUMP: And he`s been doing great.
BEHAR: And he might have been the --
TRUMP: You know. We`ll have to sort of live by our wits, right? We have a two-hour live finale in four weeks. We`ll have to see what happens.
BEHAR: Ok. All right. Well, thanks, Donald, very much for joining me and sharing all of your thoughts about this. Please tell him we wish him well.
TRUMP: I will.
BEHAR: Ok.
TRUMP: Thanks, Joy.
BEHAR: All right. Thank you.
Now let me talk to Dr. Stork who is here with me. Can you describe this condition in layman`s terms so that I can understand it?
DR. TRAVIS STORK, CO-HOST, "THE DOCTORS": If I knew exactly what had happened, yes, but I think there`s still conjecture, so. The theory is that he had an aneurysm.
BEHAR: yes.
STORK: And a brain aneurysm -- just think of a small balloon. An artery to the brain starts ballooning over time and then it can suddenly rupture --
BEHAR: Just like that? Or does something have to provoke it.
STORK: Just like that. And I think that, you know, Donald mentioned the idea that maybe something that happened a year ago at the Tony Awards. In the E.R., I always think about hemorrhage after a head injury, but a year later, to have a hemorrhage from a trauma is very unlikely.
You hear that maybe a baseball bat -- it felt like a baseball bat had hit him on the head. One of the things we look for in the E.R. is if someone comes in I always say, "Is this the worst headache of your life?" Because there`s something called a thunderclap headache, comes on all of a sudden and that can happens if that aneurysm bursts and you get bleeding. It`s called a sub-arachnoid hemorrhage and people can die immediately from this.
So the good news is this. As a doctor -- again, I`m not taking care of him -- and what I can say as a doctor is the fact he`s awake, he`s conscious, he`s talking -- those are all great signs.
BEHAR: But she`s slurring. What about that?
STORK: Well, you know, anytime there`s a hemorrhage, it`s similar to a stroke. People think of a stroke -- usually a stroke is caused by a blood clot but sometimes a stroke is also caused by a hemorrhage. And so, if you lose oxygen to certain parts of brain, you can have slurred speech, other neurologic symptoms. The good news is if the bleeding has stopped and you have good rehab, a lot of times you can fully recover.
BEHAR: They don`t know where the bleeding it coming from, right?
STORK: And that`s all a little confusing to me, admittedly.
BEHAR: Yes.
STORK: And there are a lot of tests you can perform to try to figure out exactly where the bleeding is coming from. Where is that area if there was a balloon/aneurysm of a blood vessel? So that`s all a little unclear right now. But as a doctor I can tell you, it`s very unlikely this is a result of an injury last year.
BEHAR: You think so?
STORK: Very unlikely.
BEHAR: So if you get hit in the head, you have a skull. Usually it doesn`t really -- well, people get concussions.
STORK: Well, you do have a lot of bleeding after head injuries but a real injury. If I hit you on the arm right now and a laceration opened up, you`d bleed.
BEHAR: If you hit me with a knife but if you just hit I`d get a black and blue mark.
STORK: But the black and blue mark would be gone a year later. And if your arm was to bleed again a year later you wouldn`t think that it was from something --
BEHAR: Right.
STORK: So, if someone was --
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BEHAR: So these aneurysms, they just come upon some people like a ticking time bomb sometimes in your brain then?
STORK: Before I went to medical school I had a good friend whose parent had died of an aneurysm suddenly. And it was shocking. It`s a very scary thing because admittedly, it can happen with no forewarning. There`s nothing necessarily that you do to create the problem.
The good news here is people have to listen to their bodies. If you have this quote-unquote, "thunderclap headache" and it`s the worst headache of your life and something doesn`t feel right -- it`s great if you went to get medical attention.
BEHAR: So you should go immediately to an emergency room if something like that happens?
STORK: If you have something like that where it`s --
BEHAR: If you can?
STORK: Where it`s absolutely out of the ordinary.
BEHAR: If you don`t pass out and somebody is not with you, then it`s really going to be fatal, I think.
STORK: Which is why it`s scary.
BEHAR: Very scary.
Ok, thanks Dr. Stork. Don`t go too far. We`ll have you back here in a minute.
But up next, Ben Stein stops by to talk about Wall Street crooks. Stick around.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up a little later on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW: the "Biggest Loser" trainer Jillian Michaels says she doesn`t want to get pregnant because of what it would do to her body. Go figure.
And he`s played everyone from Captain Kirk to T.J. Hooker, the incomparable William Shatner.
Now back to Joy.
BEHAR: Goldman Sachs executives were grilled by Congress today about their role on the downfall of the American economy. Take a look.
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SEN. CARL LEVIN (D), MICHIGAN: Ok, you`re trying to sell a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) deal and it`s your top priority. Come on, Mr. Sparks.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, Mr. Senator --
LEVIN: Should Goldman Sachs be trying to sell and by the way it sold a lot of it after that date. Should Goldman Sachs be trying to sell a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) deal?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well --
LEVIN: Can you answer that one -- can you answer that one yes or no?
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BEHAR: I wonder if Bernie Madoff is gussying up his cell and getting the place ready for a new roommate? So are these fat cats really guilty of trying to sell a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) deal and lying to their clients and will these hearings finally lead to the finance reform so many Americans support?
Joining me now to sort all this out are Ben Stein, co-author of "The Little Book of Bulletproof Investing" and Matt Taibbi, contributing national affairs editor for "Rolling Stone".
Matt, does it really matter now what these executives say? They`ve already lost in public opinion.
MATT TAIBBI, CONTRIBUTING NATIONAL AFFAIRS EDITOR, "ROLLING STONE": No, it doesn`t matter. They are basically in an impossible position. If they say they didn`t do it, no one is going to believe them. And if they say they did do it, well, then they`re going to be prosecuted in a court of law.
So it`s -- they`re basically being dragged into Congress so that the Democrats can score political points today.
BEHAR: I see it -- I`m not really good at the economics and all of that. But I`m a gambler and I play craps.
TAIBBI: Right.
BEHAR: It`s really basically betting against the table.
TAIBBI: Right.
BEHAR: That`s what they were doing, right?
TAIBBI: Well, sort of, yes I mean --
BEHAR: And they`ve -- what they`re also loading the dice to work for them.
TAIBBI: Right, exactly.
BEHAR: That`s right.
TAIBBI: And what`s important to remember, is that these instruments, they are derivatives. They are so much like gambling that the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 had to specifically exempt them from state gaming laws because they so totally resembled gambling. So it`s really indistinguishable from the kind of betting that you`re talking about -- craps games.
BEHAR: And the mob, its sounds like the mob.
TAIBBI: Right.
BEHAR: I mean, what makes them any different? Ben, there are a lot of reasons for the recent recession. Is it fair to single out Goldman only? There are lot of different factors, aren`t there?
BEN STEIN, CO-AUTHOR, "THE LITTLE BOOK OF BULLETPROOF INVESTING": I think Goldman had a huge role in it in a sense that Goldman, A: it was betting against the housing market and helped make the housing market collapse. B: it was destroying confidence in Wall Street. COOPER: I think their influential net of friends including, in my opinion, the ex-Secretary of the Treasury Mr. Paulson -- it`s Henry, not John Paulson -- allowed Lehman Brothers to collapse which is a huge, huge cause of the recession.
If you had to lay at anyone versus Dorby the door of Goldman Sachs and by the way, I think Matt is -- although he`s been a very harsh critic of Goldman is being too kind to Goldman. They`re more like a mechanic who sells a car where he has already disconnected the breaks and he also buys life insurance on the person driving the car.
BEHAR: Very good. Now, do you think that these hearings are going to change the way Wall Street does business from now on, or not?
TAIBBI: No, no. I mean, Wall Street`s M.O. is that the regulators were always five years too late. By the time they catch up to whatever the scam of the day is they`ve already moved on to the next thing. So whatever they`re into now, we sure, we don`t know about it, we`ll find out about it, you know, five to ten years from now when the economy blows up again.
BEHAR: But both parties take money from these financial houses, don`t they?
TAIBBI: Absolutely, although the Democrats should be said, have taken more from the financial services industry than the Republicans have --
BEHAR: Ok.
TAIBBI: -- which is ironic because the Republicans are now trying to stop this bill.
BEHAR: Yes, what do you make of that? Ben, what do you make of that?
STEIN: I think the Republicans are completely confused about this. The Republicans are supposed to be the party of small town virtues and verities; they`re not supposed to be the party of taking money from outright blood-sucking thieves which is what Goldman is if -- if the allegations in the SEC complaint are true.
If they`re true, it`s a different story but if they`re true these guys are major league thieves. And by the way, I`ve been writing about this. I wrote about it in the "New York Times". "The New York Times" got so scared when the people Goldman Sachs called and yelled at them, it was just amazing to see the mighty "New York Times" peerless fighter of anyone, quivering before the onslaught of the Goldman Sachs.
BEHAR: Really?
TAIBBI: Absolutely. I mean, I actually experienced some of the similar thing. Last summer I wrote a story that basically said that Goldman have committed securities fraud by betting against the housing market, while they were dumping the same sort of things --
BEHAR: Yes.
TAIBBI: -- from their clients. And I got slammed by everybody in the financial press for saying that. And of course, now, it`s turned out to be right.
BEHAR: Well, who`s exactly -- who`s sorry now?
TAIBBI: Right.
BEHAR: What happens to the average Joe, if this passes, this reform? How does it help us?
TAIBBI: Well, it`s really hard to say what the immediate -- well, I think the most important thing is that we have to have -- restore some kind of confidence that there`s at least the manic of honesty on Wall Street. And I think that`s going to eventually translate to the real economy on Main Street.
But right now people look at America like Indonesia or Nigeria or Belarus -- you know one of those third world countries where everybody is totally corrupt and we have to really change that perception of this country or else we are all in trouble.
BEHAR: But here`s another thing that looks bad for the Republicans. A new poll shows two-thirds of Americans support financial reform yet Republicans blocked debating the bill last night. That must have been the meltdown that Chris Dodd was having, right? He wanted to debate it. I saw that.
TAIBBI: Right, yes and the vote was 57-41. And the Republicans are still trying to block this bill. They`re trying to basically present this regulatory reform bill as a kind of a thing that the Democrats and Wall Street are doing together as though Goldman Sachs actually wants this bill because they want to team up with the regulators in Washington.
It`s a very strange position that they are taking on, I think it`s ultimately going to be self-defeating.
BEHAR: Yes, do you -- don`t you think so Ben; isn`t this going to just bite the Republicans in the butt?
STEIN: I don`t understand why they`re doing it. I think its confusion. I think they did the right thing about the health care bill, but this is just pure confusion.
Wall Street is nobody`s friend. George W. Bush once said to a close friend of mine, Wall Street is nobody`s friend. They`ll sell out anybody they can make a dollar on. And that`s true of what`s going on right now.
BEHAR: So they need regulation? I mean, isn`t that what we`re trying to get here?
STEIN: Oh, they need very much stronger regulations.
TAIBBI: I mean, what the Republicans right now, what they are doing it`s like making a political alliance with herpes. I mean, it`s just absolutely an unwinnable situation for them, and I cannot for the life of me figure out why they are doing it.
BEHAR: And there`s so much resentment against them with all those heavy bonuses. The profits were up 91 percent in the first quarter.
TAIBBI: Right and that`s all the money that we gave them. And that - - this is an important thing that most Americans don`t really understand that all those bonuses came from taxpayer bailouts basically and I think, you know, once people understand that, it will make the Republicans` position even -- even odder.
BEHAR: Why do you think that Wall Street has recovered more quickly than Main Street?
TAIBBI: Because they got well, $4.5 trillion worth of federal bailout money.
BEHAR: Right, right, like welfare money.
STEIN: Well, they --
BEHAR: Yes.
STEIN: -- they had an incredible deal that Treasury would give - - that the Fed would give them money at a quarter of a percent and then the Treasury would borrow it from them at 3.5 percent.
They were just -- that money was just being shoveled down their throat by the U.S. government. It`s like force-fed money.
TAIBBI: They literally did not have to move to make that money. You get your money for free from the government. You lend it back to the government at interest. It`s like the perfect scam.
BEHAR: What a deal. All right guys. Sit tight. We`ll be back after a short break with more.
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BEHAR: Another Republican misstep is Arizona`s strict new immigration law which allows cops to stop anyone they suspect of being in the country illegally. It`s under fire from everyone from civil rights groups to the White House.
I`m back with Ben Stein and Matt.
Matt a lot of people are unhappy with this law. It really sucks, in my opinion. I mean protestors are using refried beans to smear swastika on the state capitol. Do you blame them for that?
TAIBBI: Actually, no, I lived in a foreign -- I lived in Russia for ten years and the Russians had a law where the police were allowed to stop anybody at anytime and ask for their papers, which is exactly, basically, what these people are going to go through.
And it really added a sort of atmosphere of fear to your daily routine that is really hard to describe. I think the police -- the people who made this law don`t understand it`s a very repressive sort of thing that they`re doing.
BEHAR: But it`s very racist, Ben, isn`t it? I mean they`re not stopping Canadians.
STEIN: I don`t know if they stopped anyone so far. But look, you don`t really understand -- if I may respectfully say this -- how bad it is in Arizona. People are crossing the border, they just recently killed a rancher who`s trying to protect his own property. The situation is a crisis.
I don`t know what the solution is, and probably it`s not stopping everyone that looked Hispanic. It certainly isn`t that. But something has got to be done. The border situation is out of control in a really serious way -- a really serious way.
BEHAR: So what should they do? This is not the solution.
STEIN: Well, I think they`re going to have -- no, I don`t think this is the solution, but I think the federal government is going to have to cough up some money to build a really meaningful border fence or wall or something to keep people from just crossing.
BEHAR: Didn`t they try that already?
STEIN: Look, they have not tried -- a lot of the border is completely unfenced except for a modest little string of wire that can easily be crossed. We need these workers. These are the best people in the world, these workers who come across the border. They`re fabulous, incredibly good people but there should be some track kept of them and they should be under some kind of regulation.
We`re not a country if we don`t have borders.
BEHAR: Well, some civil rights leaders including Al Sharpton and even the city of San Francisco -- this is new -- have called for the boycott of Arizona. The entire city of San Francisco is doing this. Do you think that would help at all?
TAIBBI: No. I think that doesn`t -- how would San Francisco even do -- go about boycotting the state of Arizona? I agree with Ben.
BEHAR: No more gay bars in Arizona.
TAIBBI: I`m not going to touch that one.
Something does have to be done. This is like first step towards past laws, this. It`s really -- it`s sort of an un-American concept.
BEHAR: What about Senator McCain flip-flopping around all over the place. This is what he said supporting the law. Take a look.
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SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: This law is a response to the President`s and administration`s failure to secure our borders. The federal government has a responsibility to secure the borders. They have not.
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BEHAR: Why should I believe anything --
STEIN: He`s completely right. He`s completely right.
BEHAR: Why should I believe anything John McCain says when he has thrusts Sarah Palin on to me and this country? I don`t believe anything he says anymore. He flip-flopped -- he criticized John Kerry for flip- flopping. This guy`s out of control.
STEIN: No, he`s not out of control. We do have a real serious problem the Republicans haven`t faced and the Democrats haven`t faced it. We have to have borders. I love having Hispanic workers come here and Hispanic citizens come here and do incredibly creative, constructive things but we`re not a country if we don`t have borders. And that`s really got to be faced by the federal government.
BEHAR: All right. Remember John Lennon, imagine there`s no countries? Remember that song?
Matt, Ben, thanks. Up next, research suggests that women should be carrying a little extra weight, and who am I to disagree with science?
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BEHAR: Celebrity trainer Jillian Michaels says she won`t have a baby because she doesn`t want to put her body through it. You know, the weight gain, the bloating, Jillian, ever heard of menopause, it`s going to happen anyway along with the new mustache, have the baby. But if Jillian doesn`t have the baby, she says she plans on adopting. I say great, but wait until Labor Day. Angelina is having a big holiday sale.
Joining me to discuss this and other news in the world of health and fitness are Dr. Ian K. Smith diet expert host of "CELEBRITY FIT CLUB" and author of "Happy, Simple Steps to Get the Most Out of Life." Dr. Travis Stork host of "THE DOCTORS" not an obstetrician and author of "The Doctor Is In". And Jackie Warner fitness expert and author of "This Is Why You`re Fat And How to Get Fit Forever."
OK, Ian let me start with you, Jillian says she doesn`t want to have a baby because she doesn`t want to put the body through that, you know. But she said she would like to adopt a baby. Should she worry about that?
DR. IAN K. SMITH, HOST, "CELEBRITY FIT CLUB": I hoping Joy, honestly that she is taken out of context. I can`t believe Jillian such a verbal faux pas. I mean it`s ridiculous, of course, it is the wrong message. People have babies all the time. And by the way, you know what women do, they lose weight, they exercise and they eat well and they get their bodies back. That`s nonsense.
BEHAR: But you know Ian she also said about adopting that when you rescue something it`s like rescuing a part of yourself. She`s putting out a message, a positive message to adopt, and why is it anybody`s business what she wants to do with her body. The Octomom and Kate Gosselin have enough kids to balance out all of us.
SMITH: Well listen, you`re right about that. Well listen, I don`t mind her adopting. I think adopting is a positive message. So let me take the second half of her message, if she wants to do that, more power to her.
BEHAR: All right, do you think these comments hurt women Travis? What do you think?
DR. TRAVIS STORK, AUTHOR, "THE DOCTOR IS IN": No, I think it`s a personal choice. I suspect Jillian made this out of context, because you know her, too.
JACKIE WARNER, AUTHOR, "THIS IS WHY YOU`RE FAT": I know Jillian very well.
STORK: She has a great heart.
WARNER: Yes.
STORK: I think this is probably more about adoption for her than saying women shouldn`t have babies. Because we all know -- look at all the women with multiple children and do a great job of getting back in shape. But in the end --
BEHAR: Madonna has had a couple and Gwyneth Paltrow. A lot of these girls --
WARNER: It is very simple - you see it all the time bouncing right back, it is so simple if you`ve already been working out and then you work out through your pregnancy and after your pregnancy, you are going to lose that baby weight.
STORK: And a little known secret, men believe that women who are pregnant are beautiful -
BEHAR: I know, they do.
STORK: And celebrate pregnancy. And you believe it too.
BEHAR: Which month though? All the whole time?
STORK: The whole time. It`s such a beautiful thing.
BEHAR: All right. Whatever.
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BEHAR: Is there anything you can do to help yourself with this getting back in shape?
WARNER: Getting back in shape, yes.
BEHAR: One thing.
WARNER: One thing is that you need to go to the gym consistently five days a week. I mean it takes that amount of time.
BEHAR: OK. Moving on.
WARNER: Hire a trainer. Hire a trainer, there you go.
STORK: Breast feed. Breast feed.
BEHAR: Thank you, breast feeding will get your uterus back together. I don`t know about everything.
STORK: And you don`t use pregnancy as an excuse to gain as much weight as you want. There`s a healthy amount of weight gain during pregnancy. Gaining a hundred pounds during you pregnancy is not going to help --
BEHAR: I only gained 26 pounds when I got pregnant. That was it.
STORK: That was great.
BEHAR: That was pretty good -
STORK: That was excellent.
BEHAR: Yes but one month I gained 5 pounds in one month, and the doctor yelled at me and he said lay off the pasta.
STORK: Good doctor.
BEHAR: You can imagine -
STORK: Good job.
BEHAR: He didn`t know that I was going to be OK at the end. They`re a little hostile sometimes if you put on weight. I don`t like that.
WARNER: The truth about the story with Jillian is her clock isn`t ticking. If her clock was truly ticking there`s nothing that can stop her from having that baby.
BEHAR: OK let`s talk about this show "THE BIGGEST LOSER." critics say it is not going to help the obesity problem in America. Ian, they have the support system of chefs, these people, doctors, and trainers. The average person at home is watching this and saying, oh, my god. I have to do this all of my own and can`t do it. So it`s not helping anybody, is it really?
SMITH: Joy, we`ve known each other for a long time. You and I both know that show is completely out of bounds. Number one, most of America is not 200 pounds overweight, morbidly obese so it`s an misperception of what America is. Number two losing 15 to 20 pounds in a week is not only unhealthy but it sends the wrong message to the rest of America that if they lose what is good weight, by the way, two to three pounds per week, America says, oh my goodness, I`m failing. I didn`t lose 10 pounds, wrong message. And number three, by the way, the show is a great, big, black box. We don`t know what they`re eating, how much they`re eating. All we know is they`re working out four hours a day. Let me tell you something Joy, if half of America worked out four hours a day everyone would lose weight and we wouldn`t have obesity.
BEHAR: That`s true.
SMITH: So I think the show is wrong.
BEHAR: It is very impractical and the other thing is you know, one of these days someone is going to have a heart attack on that show. You watch these overweight people working out, and doesn`t it look scary to you?
STORK: Well I worry about -- Ian, you`re on fire today. But I will say this, I wouldn`t even say less than two to three pounds a week. It`s not a race.
BEHAR: Even less.
STORK: There is so much of what you see on TV is -- it`s a race. Let`s lose as much weight as possible.
BEHAR: Right.
STORK: If you lose a half a pound, a pound a week, working your way towards a healthy weight, it doesn`t matter how long it takes to get there.
BEHAR: These people are 300, 400 pounds overweight. They don`t want to lose a pound a week, they`d go crazing.
WARNER: Well let me just say if you`re morbidly obese or obese and you drastically change your lifestyle and your eating habits and you start a workout program that`s even an hour a day, you are going to lose five to ten pounds per week. Wouldn`t you agree?
STORK: Absolutely.
WARNER: There you go. That`s more of a safe guideline.
SMITH: But here`s the deal, they need to tell people that the weight loss you`re seeing is not realistic for most of America. Instead they are sending out a signal if you can`t lose this volume of weight, then you`re failing and therefore all the efforts that I am doing and others are doing who are trying to preach healthy weight loss are being, you know, reversed. I think it`s a bad message. And by the way, someone will get hurt on this show.
BEHAR: I think so, too.
STORK: I disagree. I disagree with you, I think seeing five to ten pounds of weight loss per weight week sends the wrong message. And you`re telling people that if you are not losing five pounds a week, that you`re failing. And that`s not truth.
BEHAR: But she`s saying that if you are so overweight -
WARNER: That`s right.
BEHAR: If you cut out one thing, you will lose weight.
WARNER: Yes. It happens. Clients every day go through this process safely.
STORK: But what I`m saying is for those people, yes. But what I am saying is if you`re 20 pounds overweight --
WARNER: I didn`t say that, I said morbidly obese. If you go from morbid obesity to a healthier lifestyle. But look, I disagree with Ian respectfully because I think that any show, this show has brought to light so many things that are positive in terms of getting people talking about weight loss and obesity and all the issues.
SMITH: Yes but Jackie including all the e-mails I get because they want to come on celebrity fit club because they gained all the weight back. I mean here -- my issue with the show is very simple, let people know that this is a very small test case.
WARNER: It`s a controlled environment.
SMITH: Exactly. No one can live like this, that`s all I`m saying. It`s fun television by the way. But as far as being like the guidelines for people to lose weight, this is not the way to go. In fact, most dietitians agree with me.
BEHAR: All right, let me try this also, there are new studies which I read today I believe in the "Wall Street Journal" that say that a woman in a certain age I guess who is ten to 15 pounds overweight should stay like that, that it`s better for you, it`s healthier and you will look better also as you get older and don`t get that drawn look. What do you think about that, Travis?
STORK: Well I wouldn`t say if you`re necessarily healthy her. But I think if you look at all of the data it`s more important to be fit than the perfect weight.
BEHAR: Well they say exercise and work out a bit.
STORK: These are people though maybe ten pounds quote-unquote "overweight." Which - what is the ideal weight, I never figured that out but these are people who do look after their health, they`re in general eating right, and they`re active and I think more importantly it means they`re getting throughout and exercising the cardiovascular system. It`s more important to do that than to be quote unquote "thin."
BEHAR: What do you say to that?
WARNER: My grandmother used to always say, Jackie, as you get older you sacrifice your face or body. And there is some truth to that. The more lean you are and if you`re extremely fit and athletic, you do wrinkle a little bit more in the face.
BEHAR: Yes, well you there`s -
WARNER: And if you have that sort of soft fat, it does kind of deage you a little bit.
BEHAR: Jackie, there`s always Botox. Let`s get real. You know, it`s interesting, they talk about subcutaneous fat and I think the other thing is visceral fat. Visceral being around here which is bad for you. I find that very interesting, subcutaneous, in the butt and in the thighs. And it is healthier. And yet, magazines really celebrate the other body. They really do believe that the skinny on the bottom with the big bosom is on the top is the ideal figure. It`s not the healthy figure.
WARNER: Yes, no it`s not.
SMITH: Well see Joy, you got to talk to the brothers about this. The brothers for a long time -
BEHAR: I know.
SMITH: Have said that you know, a little ba-dunk-a-dunk is a good thing. But no, seriously Joy, here is the idea, ten and 15 pounds overweight is not going to increase your risk for all these kind of health complications. It`s when you`re obese and morbidly obese that`s a problem.
BEHAR: Right.
SMITH: And you know Travis is so right. What is the ideal weight? Ten or 15 pounds? That`s not bad ought all.
BEHAR: The studies are saying that it`s better to be 10 or 15 over. I mean every week it`s something new, thanks everyone. Thank you very much, up next the one and only William Shatner joins me.
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Every now I turn apart.
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BEHAR: Sonny and Cher, captain and Tennille, William Shatner, and Lee Yun Shun. I get goose bumps. Lee Yun Chun launched to fame on Taiwanese Idol. William Shatner, of course, has been famous for years. He`s an icon for generations of fame. I`m one of them and I`m pleased to have him with me tonight. Hello. How are you?
WILLIAM SHATNER, ACTOR: Hello, Joy. How are you?
BEHAR: It`s good to see you again. Now, you`ve worked with a lot of talented people.
SHATNER: Well, this afternoon included.
BEHAR: Yes. How good is this guy? Is he next Susan Boyle? Or another Susan Boyle?
SHATNER: He had a bit of a boil, but I thought -- he is -- he`s stupendous and unique. I mean everything about him is different including his voice. I think he could be something special.
BEHAR: You think so? You`re something special trying to sing there. You were doing the spoken singing.
SHATNER: Wait a minute the word "trying." The word "trying" confuses me.
BEHAR: It`s the Rex Harrison way of singing, you know, from "My Fair Lady." You know sort of --
SHATNER: There you go, Rex Harrison. That`s a good comparison.
BEHAR: And you have the same panache as Rex Harrison.
SHATNER: Oh good, I like that comparison.
BEHAR: Go ahead.
SHATNER: No, I have nothing else to say.
BEHAR: OK. I don`t believe that. Leonard Nimoy announced his retirement. Let`s watch the two of you in "STAR TREK" for a second.
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LEONARD NIMOY, ACTOR: His father was a computer like his son, an ambassador from a planet of traitors. The Vulcan never lived with an ounce of integrity.
SHATNER: Captain, please don`t.
NIMOY: You`re a traitor from a race of traitors. Disloyal to the core, rotten like the rest of your subhuman race, and you`ve got the gall to make love to that girl.
SHATNER: That`s enough.
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BEHAR: Tell me, does he ever regret that hair-do?
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SHATNER: It`s mine I was worried about. He announced his retirement again?
BEHAR: Yes. What do you mean "again"?
SHATNER: I think he`s running out of words, you know, like his memory is beginning to leave him. The words he remembers like, I`m retiring, he can remember it easily. He is getting old, the guy. And so he says I`m retiring when he means hello.
BEHAR: You two tweet each other. You`re very close friends, I take it?
SHATNER: We are. We had dinner the other night, and he announced his retirement then. Then he said he`s going to sleep. I`m retiring.
BEHAR: Well, you know it`s interesting because he tweeted you at 1:00 p.m.
SHATNER: Yes.
BEHAR: OK, but he accidentally sent it to someone else.
SHATNER: Well, all he can say is I`m retiring, and when you get beyond that, he`s facing where no Vulcan has gone before, I guess.
BEHAR: But you know he may be getting older but have you seen his photography books? He`s always taking photographs of humungously obese women. And they are always like sitting in a rather sensual positions.
SHATNER: I know. He`s a very sensual man. And they are very artistic and I can`t wait for him to get to obese men, because I`m going to get in line.
BEHAR: OK now, you are spearheading the Hollywood charity horse show this Saturday. Tell me about that?
SHATNER: The priceline.com charity horse show sponsored by Wells Fargo and Stone Fire Grill and Domain Serene are wining and dining us. There are tickets, very few tickets available left at the Hollywood Charity Horse Show box office. Go to horseshow.org and come on board. It`s a great charity. It`s a children`s charity. We spend no money whatsoever on administration costs, but we give every penny we get -- we go, we give to children in need. I urge you to come to the event, Sarah McLaughlin is singing for us, and great food and great event and great horses and stuff like that. You`ll have a great time. And those of you not in the Los Angeles area, go to horseshow.org. It`s a great charity. You might want to contribute.
BEHAR: And send money?
SHATNER: Absolutely send money.
BEHAR: OK, let me ask you -
SHATNER: Good wishes is one thing, money is another.
BEHAR: You talked about Leonard Nimoy retiring. Are you going to retire anytime soon? No, right?
SHATNER: After this show I might have to, but I will fight with claws.
BEHAR: What would you do if you retired?
SHATNER: No, I`m not going to retire. I`m tremendously involved in a variety of things, Joy, and I hope we have a chance to talk about the number of things I am involved with but retiring isn`t in my vocabulary because I can remember other words like horses and interview. I can do those things.
BEHAR: But you have -- I was reading about "RAW NERVE." That`s one of your projects.
SHATNER: Well, if you want to talk about what I`m doing, he have three reality shows on the air this year. "RAW NERVE" is an interview show, and "AFTERMATH", both of these are on the bio channel, "AFTERMATH" is a great show coming on the bio channel this fall. And on the discovery is "WEIRD OR WHAT?" another fascinating idea. And then we`re waiting with baited breath about a sitcom that I made for CBS.
BEHAR: Very good. You sound like you`re not ready to retire at all. Stay right there.
SHATNER: You know what, I will.
BEHAR: We`re going to come back with from William Shatner in a minute.
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BEHAR: I`m back with the legendary William Shatner. Now, you know, there`s a huge push for you to become the next governor general of Canada.
SHATNER: I know.
BEHAR: Thirty five thousand people on Facebook want you there. Are you interested?
SHATNER: I know. Unfortunately, 35 million people in Canada, so I need more numbers.
BEHAR: Yes, I know. That`s too bad.
SHATNER: I tell you, when I lived -- I`m Canadian out of Montreal. I went to school at McGill University in Montreal, graduated, came down to the United States, made my life down here. My memory of the governor general was Raymond Massey -- remember the actor Raymond Massey?
BEHAR: Yes.
SHATNER: His brother, sorry, his older brother was my memory of governor general. And he was old and distinguished. So I fit half that criteria.
BEHAR: Now, how come you never became an American citizen?
SHATNER: You`re supposed to ask me which half.
BEHAR: Which half? OK. Sorry. Which half?
SHATNER: Never mind, the joke is gone.
BEHAR: I want to know. I`m more -- I`m very interested in why you didn`t want to be an American citizen. You wouldn`t be able to get into Arizona.
SHATNER: Right. I never -- I never made the choice. I just never did it. I never -- I couldn`t learn the lines I think of -- all I could think of when asked about taking an American citizen test was I`m retiring. Those were the words that came to mind.
BEHAR: Well you know, you have better health care in Canada at the moment, don`t you?
SHATNER: Well, I don`t know. People tell me -- it may be better but it takes so long to get it that you die before you get it.
BEHAR: That is the conventional wisdom of Canadian health care. I wonder what the truth of it all is, but another conversation.
SHATNER: My sisters who live there and other members of our family are very healthy, so let`s attribute that to the Canadian health care system.
BEHAR: Probably because it`s free. It`s preventative. You know?
SHATNER: That`s right. That`s a big factor, indeed.
BEHAR: Now, I have a couple -- go ahead.
SHATNER: Please. Go ahead. No, no, I have nothing to say.
BEHAR: I was going to say I have some twitter questions. People are interested --
SHATNER: Please.
BEHAR: -- in asking you. Do you speak Esperanto? How does it sound?
SHATNER: I do, I did speak Esperanto for a movie which I learned phonetically. And it sounds like Greek, German, and Latin which to all of us is gibberish.
BEHAR: I see.
SHATNER: So talk gibberish and you may be speaking Esperanto. But talking about twittering --
BEHAR: Yes.
SHATNER: I`m doing this twitter -- I have this twitter thing going with this large group of people who are twittering me back, and I twittered once about a website that I spent two years working on with some partners of mine called "My Outer Space." I twittered once it was now open and available to be looked at, and that was a month ago. Twelve million hits later --
BEHAR: Wow.
SHATNER: -- from one twitter, from one twitter.
BEHAR: That`s unreal.
SHATNER: It is unreal. In fact, I -- I`m twittering -- before I got on here I twittered I was going to be on your show talking about how to stay passionate your whole life. And how would you do that? And I laid that out for the people who are twittering to come up with solutions on how to stay passionate.
BEHAR: Well, oh, that`s interesting. So do you have any tips for how to stay passionate, yourself?
SHATNER: Yes, yes I do. Follow Leonard Nimoy`s advice. Retire.
BEHAR: OK. Thank you very much, William Shatner -
SHATNER: You are so welcomed.
BEHAR: And thank you very watching, everybody. Good night, everybody. Good night, William.
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