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More Questions in Van Der Sloot Case; Interview With Lewis Black
Aired June 09, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HOST: Tonight, more questions in the Joran Van Der Sloot case. Was his confession coerced? Why did the FBI give him money? And if the money was part of a sting as they claim, why wasn`t he arrested the moment he took it?
Then, Debrahlee Lorenzana who said Citibank fired her for being too sexy has gone under the plastic surgeon`s knife four times ready. In Hollywood they call that the Heidi Montag starter kit.
Plus: loud, obnoxious, opinionated and with a hair-trigger temper. I`ve known him for 25 years and I`m exhausting. My good friend Lewis Black joins me. That, and more, right now.
There are more developments in this terrible Joran Van Der Sloot murder case. There`s talk of a coerced confession and more details have emerged about the extortion case against him.
Let`s go right to Lima, Peru and Jean Casarez, correspondent for "In Session" on TruTV. Ok Jean, what`s going on in the case today?
JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Well, here`s the latest; two things that we have been able to confirm with law enforcement authorities here in Lima, Peru. First of all, they`re saying that Joran Van Der Sloot does in fact now have legal counsel, a local Lima, Peru private attorney.
Now, what I find fascinating about this is that it`s local Lima, which you would suppose, but a private attorney as opposed to a public defender because people that have no money can have public defenders here. A private attorney means money. So I think that`s a development on this front.
Now, separate but possibly interactive is that authorities are telling us that the recreation of the crime and how it happened may in fact not happen right here at the hotel. That they have the evidence they need and may not have to go any further. So they wouldn`t come here. They wouldn`t bring Joran Van Der Sloot. And so that`s where it stands now.
But we`re still here, because I think in one blink of an eye, something could change. But officially on the record, that`s what they`re telling us.
BEHAR: Ok. So they don`t need the re-enactment as far as you know? Good.
There`s a report, though that --
CASAREZ: They`re saying they may not need it.
BEHAR: They may not.
Ok. There`s a report that Van Der Sloot`s mother and his Dutch attorney are saying Joran`s confession may have been coerced. He has a Dutch attorney and Peruvian attorney? Is that -- tell me about that.
CASAREZ: We`ve confirmed the local Lima, Peruvian attorney. I`ve read reports about the Dutch attorney. My guess is that they have corresponded, they are communicating.
I just have -- my gut feeling as an attorney is that Joran`s rights now are being very well communicated to law enforcement, to prosecutors. Remember, we`re still in the criminal investigation. Formal charges have not been filed. They are putting together the evidence that they will then present to prosecutors much like the United States.
Ok. You know, there`s something you said to me yesterday, Jean that is bothering me. We saw the footage of Van Der Sloot and this young lady going into the hotel room, and we saw the footage of him coming out of the hotel room, right? But you told me that in between --
CASAREZ: Correct.
BEHAR: In between those two time periods, Van Der Sloot had left the hotel, gone across the street to a bodega. He came back in to the room and found her on the computer and became violent. Now, why don`t we have footage of him coming back and forth in those two instances?
CASAREZ: well, there are several possible reasons. First is that it just wasn`t released. You know, there`s some videotape that I`ve seen here on local television that I haven`t seen in the United States. But I have not seen that.
So number one, maybe it wasn`t released. Number two, this is what Joran Van Der Sloot is telling them.
BEHAR: Right.
CASAREZ: So is that the truth? Well, that`s what he says.
You know, I went over to the little market next door, and I asked them, is this where he came to get the coffee? And he said, "Well, yes, that`s what we hear." No one told me they saw him there. But it was open on that Sunday morning. They do sell coffee. They do sell bread.
BEHAR: Well, you know, it would behoove him to lie about it. Because he could then say, I went back into the room, she was looking at the computer, she found out that I was involved with Natalee Holloway, and I became angry that she did that, which would lower the charge against him in Peru, because he then would be an angry guy who was defending himself in some weird way that he would come up with, right?
CASAREZ: I think you`re exactly right. I think so many things he said are in his interest. So it does make you wonder if in fact it is the truth.
You know, joy, what I want to know, I want to know if he got two cups of coffee. That`s a critical issue for the defense. Because if he got two cups of coffee, then he was expecting a wonderful morning, sharing cups of coffee. If you only bought one cup of coffee or none at all, that sets an entirely different stage here.
BEHAR: Right. Of course, you know, if he`s a murderer, he`s probably a liar, too.
Anyway, let`s go to this extortion idea. The FBI has confirmed that Van Der Sloot was trying t extort $250,000 from Natalee Holloway`s mother. There was an FBI sting operation in Aruba where he was paid $25,000. Why wasn`t this guy arrested?
CASAREZ: Well, that`s a good question. My guess is that they were building the case. They probably never dreamed he would go to Peru. They obviously were not watching him well enough, or yet could not stop him at the point.
But here`s what`s interesting. We got a-hold of an Interpol document here in Peru, all in Spanish from Washington, D.C. But in reading it, it gives a lot more information. And it says that he himself figured out this scheme in March of this year to get this money from the Holloway family. And he would then tell them where Natalee`s body was and the circumstances.
He met with the representative as the FBI is confirming, got $10,000; $15,000 was wired. But here`s what this Interpol document says: that he let authorities to a home in Aruba saying this is where Natalee is because it was being built at the time. We dug a grave, we hid her in this home as it was being built.
They found out the dates didn`t coral late. Then the Interpol document says, that he said, "Sorry, I lied." And that`s what just came out to Interpol authorities here.
BEHAR: Ok. Thanks very much, Jean, for the reporting.
At least one person predicted that Joran Van Der Sloot would confess to killing Stephany Flores. I`m not going to say who it is but he has long blond hair and he likes to hunt fugitives. Watch.
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DUANE "DOG" CHAPMAN, BOUNTY HUNTER: I think we should give him what he wants, television cameras and what he`s looking for. And get a confession. Now, you tell us the Holloway girl is, you tell us about this girl. We feel sorry for you. You`ve had problems, whatever. I think we can catch -- I think we can get -- this kid will confess, watch.
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BEHAR: The star of A&E`s "Dog the Bounty Hunter", Duane "Dog" Chapman is here with me again. You predicted the confession. How did you know he was going to do that?
CHAPMAN: Well, Joy -- you know, thank you. I predicted it because I`ve worked chasing these guys for many, many years and they all fit a certain profile.
So, well, you know, with his actions before, during and after I thought just a few minutes with cameras, a little bit of nice to this guy, this is the kind of kid you don`t want to water board. The nicer you are to him, the more information you`re going to get.
BEHAR: You should work for the FBI and the CIA. Why do you think he confessed? Was it just fear or was he trying to get a lighter sentence or what?
CHAPMAN: Well, I think that once he was caught, I think, you know, the cops probably said, here`s what we`ve got. You going in the room; we`ve got evidence. Once he was in the corner, then that was it. Which is this is how these guys are, these serial killers.
Once they get caught, and they know for sure they can`t wiggle or lie out of it, it`s over. They flabbergast the investigators with the murder details. They remember everything. So he just fits that pattern.
BEHAR: And they soften a guy like that up a little is what you`re saying. You don`t want to be violent or rough with him. That`s interesting.
CHAPMAN: No, you don`t --
BEHAR: What about the talk that his confession may have been coerced? Do you have any thoughts on that?
CHAPMAN: Well, coerced -- yes, coercion by -- I`ve seen it before on television as we all did, before the confession and after, he didn`t even have a cut lip. He wasn`t complaining about being electrocuted or filled with methamphetamine or none of that. He was nice to, he was driven, he was allowed to use the bathroom in the very beginning. He wasn`t even handcuffed.
BEHAR: Yes.
CHAPMAN: I think they treated him with respect. And he was -- this time he was caught.
BEHAR: Yes. But he also -- he told his mother, I`m being interrogated in a very rude way. Excuse me, you`re a murder suspect, right? Where does he come off with that one?
CHAPMAN: Well, you know, I think that rude was like, no, you can`t have that right now. Rude -- I think he would have said, mom, they`re beating me up. You know, they`re holding me underwater.
I think he would have came out with, mom, they`re being rude to me. Well, you know, you just committed a murder and these are real cops. They`re not going to be Mr. Green Jeans to you.
BEHAR: What a little jerk he is. At the end of the day he`s a mama`s boy on top of it. Now, the --
CHAPMAN: True.
BEHAR: You know. All right. I think we`ve run out of time. Thank you. Always interesting to talk to you and you`re very good at your job.
CHAPMAN: Thank you Joy.
BEHAR: Ok. "Dog" has upcoming speaking engagements and if you want to learn more, you can find dates at dogthebountyhunter.com.
Up next, controversy is brewing over Gary Coleman will and photos of him in his final moments. I`ll have the latest in just a minute.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up a little later on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, a banker claimed she was fired for being too sexy. Should it matter that she had not one, but two breast enlargement surgeries in hopes of looking like, in her words, "a Playboy playmate"?
And the very funny Lewis Black pays a visit.
Now back to Joy.
BEHAR: Gary Coleman`s will has been made public and the actor said only true friends are welcome at his funeral. No Hollywood hangers-on. Also his death-bed photos which are out today were reportedly sold for as much as $10,000 each.
With me to discuss this is Victor Perillo, Coleman`s former agent and spokesman for his parents; Debra Opri, defense attorney who has represented James Brown and David Hasselhoff and Michael Jackson`s parents; and Kevin Frazier, weekend anchor at "Entertainment Tonight". Welcome to the show you guys.
According to "People" magazine, the will says that Coleman wanted only quote, "those who have no financial ties to me and who can look each other in the eyes and say they really cared personally for Gary Coleman" to attend. Ok, he only wants those people.
Victor, let me start with you. Do you think Gary is talking about his parents?
VICTOR PERILLO, COLEMAN FAMILY SPOKESPERSON: I don`t think Gary said that at all.
BEHAR: Well, it`s in the will.
PERILLO: Well, yes but I think it was authored by the -- the executor.
BEHAR: Well, he must have approved it, no?
PERILLO: Well, he probably approved it at the time. But I will tell you that everybody that`s been involved with Gary, professionally, is involved financially. So I guess no one`s going to be at his funeral.
BEHAR: Kevin, who -- Kevin who do you think he`s talking about?
KEVIN FRAZIER, WEEKEND ANCHOR, "ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT": Well, Joy, first of all, that`s not true. There are lots of people that Gary`s been involved with that will be there. And you know, from Todd Bridges to Dion --
BEHAR: Yes.
FRAZIER: -- who actually holds the will, those people will be there. And yes, he did mean his parents and other people like that who he believes during his life, when he was alive, ripped him off of money.
And so that`s why I think it gets down to it. And also let`s not forget with Gary, there is a large pension at stake. And that`s why he didn`t want people involved who would get that pension one day.
BEHAR: Ok. We`re talking about the after incentive pensions, I take it.
DEBRA OPRI, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes.
BEHAR: He made millions of dollars when he was on the air.
PERILLO: Yes.
BEHAR: This guy.
OPRI: Yes.
BEHAR: So that pension --
PERILLO: Yes he did.
BEHAR: -- is going to be very large. Do you know anything about that?
OPRI: Well, all I can tell you is its part of his assets if they exist. But we have to look at --
PERILLO: Yes.
OPRI: -- who are the heirs.
Now, when you`re asking me who are the heirs --
BEHAR: Yes.
OPRI: -- and what about the will, we`re talking about a will that you have to review and sign. Even though with great respect to Mr. Perillo, when you say he didn`t put it in there, he signed it.
BEHAR: Yes.
OPRI: When you putting something like that --
PERILLO: Yes.
OPRI: -- that you can`t have people going out to a funeral because you`re not my friend, you had a financial interest, Joy, everybody has a financial interest, your mother, your brothers, your friends, your managers, everyone. So does that mean no one attends a funeral?
BEHAR: Well, as - as -- as we just heard from Kevin, there are people like Todd Bridges and other friends --
FRAZIER: Yes.
BEHAR: -- who have no financial interest. Those people I assume he would want them to go. That`s what he just said. What about that?
OPRI: Well, if you look at the -- I agree with you. And if you look at the person that Gary Coleman was, to put something like that in a will, it`s very sad.
BEHAR: It is sad. He was an unhappy guy.
OPRI: Yes.
FRAZIER: But --
BEHAR: Go ahead Kevin.
FRAZIER: Joy --
BEHAR: Yes.
FRAZIER: -- Joy, he had to put that in the will because he had been taken advantage of throughout his life. I was talking to Todd today and he related a story about Gary as a young kid, rejecting a kidney, but being forced to work on the "Diff`rent Strokes" set. And that Todd was crying at the time because he`s like they are forcing him to work.
And then afterwards as Mr. Perillo knows all too well, Gary was in a huge legal battle with his family to get back the money that he earned during his career. And that`s one of the reasons he was bitter and upset. Because he died --
BEHAR: How do you respond to that?
PERILLO: Let me -- let say something, sir. I must have been in a coma when all this was happening. First of all, Gary`s parents would take him off the set if there was a slight indication that he was tired. You don`t hear that. But it`s coming from the mental giants like Todd.
And incidentally, there`s a lot of dollars being made by individuals who are beating up on the parents. You see, in calling them criminals.
FRAZIER: Who?
PERILLO: Well --
FRAZIER: Who?
BEHAR: Like who was taking --
PERILLO: Well, who? You just mentioned --
FRAZIER: Who?
PERILLO: -- you`ve just mentioned his name for interviews.
BEHAR: You`re saying Todd Bridges is making money on this?
PERILLO: Of course, of course.
BEHAR: How could Todd Bridges make money on it?
PERILLO: Well, of course the interviews are being paid. You see? So I mean, at the same time we`re calling -- we`re calling the Colemans, you know, the people that took advantage.
Let me say something, sir.
FRAZIER: Joy --
PERILLO: Just a second, just a second. I was there --
BEHAR: Let him finish. Let him finish, go ahead Victor.
PERILLO: Ok, two months after "Diff`rent Strokes" went off the air, Gary`s parents went back to Zion, Illinois, and resumed regular jobs. Sue as a nurse, and Willie in some kind of a factory. But now why would that happen? Why -- if they took $18 million from Gary, why are they working? Wouldn`t they be in some place.
BEHAR: Go ahead. Ok, Kevin, what do you say to that?
FRAZIER: First of all, where was his family when Gary was ill? It was well documented that he had about a year to live. So as he was ill and fighting through these problems, as he was dealing with financial struggles throughout life, where was his family? Why haven`t they --
PERILLO: You`re misinformed.
FRAZIER: No, I do know -- I do know this --
PERILLO: No, no, let me -- I`ll let you talk because you`re making a fool out of yourself. Go ahead. Go ahead I`ll just listen. Go ahead.
BEHAR: Kevin, let him finish the sentence and then you jump in.
PERILLO: Go ahead, go ahead.
FRAZIER: Let him talk, I`m listening to him.
PERILLO: Go ahead.
FRAZIER: Ok, I do know that Dion tried to call the Colemans. I do know that Shannon tried to call the Colemans. I do know that people have tried to call them and talk to them and work things out. And that they didn`t want to talk to anybody. And those were the people who were directly involved with Gary.
BEHAR: Are you talking about Shannon Price, his ex-wife?
FRAZIER: Yes.
BEHAR: Did you just her name?
FRAZIER: Yes I did.
BEHAR: Well, isn`t she the one who just took the -- sold these photos of him on his deathbed? Go ahead.
FRAZIER: No question, hey look --
OPRI: All right, ok, Kevin, let me say something without interruption for a moment, please.
FRAZIER: Ok, go ahead.
OPRI: I respectfully have to say that in the midst of this Gary Coleman is a son to these two parents.
PERILLO: Yes.
BEHAR: Right.
OPRI: And in some respect, they`re grieving, and we have to give them their due. And they want their son buried.
Looking at these photos, if I were his parents, I would be devastated. And then you have to turn and say, why did Shannon sell them? Was it with his blessings? Gary`s blessings? Did he teach her how to market, how to say, get the best you can get with the money? Do this, do that? And why did she take all of the property out of the house?
Why?
BEHAR: Well, you tell me.
OPRI: Well, he gave her permission, in my opinion, listen, there`s not going to be any money left, take what you can get and get out. She had no legal, legal relevance other that what the will would allow.
But we have to look at the whole picture of Gary Coleman, who he was. "Diff`rent Strokes" happened a long time ago. He grew up. Gary Coleman was a sad, frustrated adult man who was trying to make it.
BEHAR: Ok. We`re going to continue to continue this conversation after the break. So stay right there.
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BEHAR: I`m back talking about the continuing controversy surrounding actor Gary Coleman`s death.
Victor, let me ask you something. You just spoke to Gary`s ex- wife, Shannon, about the pictures. These pictures are quite -- I think they`re very in poor taste. I`ve seen them. I don`t even want to show them on the show.
PERILLO: They`re disgusting.
BEHAR: What does she have to say for herself?
PERILLO: I talked to her yesterday and I didn`t come out and directly ask her if she took the pictures. I just said, what do you think of them? And then I asked her, you know, then she came forward and said, well, you know, I took pictures in there. But probably someone stole them from my camera.
BEHAR: Well, somebody made $10,000 on each picture. Do you think it was she who made the money?
PERILLO: I don`t know. And I can`t sit here and accuse. You know, I really can`t.
BEHAR: Kevin, you just spoke to Todd Bridges about this. What does he say?
FRAZIER: Todd is furious. He thinks the pictures are despicable. I can tell you this, most outlets passed on those pictures. Nobody wanted to buy those pictures because they were in poor taste.
I`ve also talked to Shannon about it and she says the only people that had those pictures were her and her brother so she doesn`t understand how they got out into the public. Someone profited off those pictures and as Todd said it`s blood money.
And he was very upset. He said he hopes those people burn in hell.
BEHAR: So who do you think let them out? Who do you think let them out?
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OPRI: It`s reminiscent of -- you`re asking me the question? It`s reminiscent of the Anna Nicole case, the photos of the deathbed of the son. Who took them?
BEHAR: And who --
OPRI: Possession is nine-tenths of the law. It was Shannon and the brother had possession of the photographs, you know --
BEHAR: One of them did it.
OPRI: Of course. In my opinion.
BEHAR: Well, Todd Bridges tweeted on his Twitter account, he said about the photo, the deathbed photos. He said, "Only one person could be behind this, and this is so dang sick to say you love someone and do this. Yes, right." Who is this one person he`s referring to, Kevin? Is it Shannon?
FRAZIER: Well, clearly he`s referring to Shannon Price. And you know, Shannon`s face is in the picture so that`s one of the biggest problems there.
In a lot of these issues -- in a lot of these instances, you see someone sneaks in and they catch a glimpse. But you don`t see the people posing. She`s clearly posing with Gary at his most vulnerable time. And I think that`s the thing. This is not anything Gary would have ever wanted out.
BEHAR: So did she take a picture of herself with the camera in front of her?
FRAZIER: No, no. Someone with her --
BEHAR: Someone else did.
FRAZIER: Someone with her took the picture, no question. Someone with her took the picture, and she knew about the pictures and she had them.
BEHAR: Ok. Now Kevin, you asked Coleman`s ex-wife Shannon Price on "Entertainment Tonight" if she has Gary`s will. Watch her response.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) \ SHANNON PRICE, GARY COLEMAN`S EX WIFE: Yes, I do.
FRAZIER: Did he include you in it?
PRICE: Yes. He wanted me to have everything.
FRAZIER: So you will have everything?
PRICE: I hope so. I hope so. I hope they can -- hopefully we can win.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: What`s with the music?
Kevin, what does she mean, I hope we can win? Win what?
FRAZIER: Win, because Dion has a will that he claims is valid. And that that is the will that will win out.
BEHAR: The executor? Is that the executor?
FRAZIER: The executor, yes, right. And then Shannon says that she has something -- not a will necessarily, but a piece of paper that claims that she is the one who should get everything.
And yet there`s a third person, or a third will that is now floating around. So I think this is going to be a mess at the end of the day.
BEHAR: Ok. Victor, thank you. I`ll give you the last word but I`ve run out of time. You`ll have to come back and bring the parents with you.
PERILLO: Just look at my face. You`ll know.
BEHAR: Ok. Thanks very much all of you.
Tune in to ET tonight and tomorrow to see Todd Bridges` take.
Up next, the woman fired from Citi for being too attractive had work done so she would look like a Playboy model. So should she have expected to be ogled at work? We`ll debate it.
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BEHAR: Earlier this week I spoke with Debrahlee Lorenzana, who is suing Citibank, she claims they fired her for being too sexy. Since our interview, a video surfaced of Lorenzana`s second breast enlargement procedure. Her story was part of a Discovery health challenge series from 2003, watch.
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DEBRAHLEE LORENZANA: The size that I`m hoping to get is more like a double d, 32 double d. A huge double d. Very perky, big breasts. I want to make a "Playboy" playmate. I want to have like a "Playboy" playmate. I know that a males` fantasy of having a playboy playmate, that`s what I want to be.
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BEHAR: OK, I don`t care how big (EXPLETIVE DELETED) it really makes no difference if a woman has implants or they`re made out of rice pudding, men are going ogle good looking women, I think Dave Carter said it best, they stare therefore they are. Joining me now is Terry O`Neil, president of the National Organization for Women. Danny Bonaduce, actor and radio talk show host on 94.1 WYSP in Philadelphia. And comedian Jim Norton. OK Terry, I`m going to start with you. Should it even matter in the least that she has two breast implants in this particular case?
TERRY O`NEIL, PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL ORGANIZATION FOR WOMEN (NOW): You know, of course it shouldn`t. And Citibank is hardly in a position to be complaining about her. I don`t think this is about an individual woman. Look, Citibank and Wall Street in general, 12 percent of the top executives were women. And 45 percent of the top execs laid off have been women. This is a pattern, systematic discrimination. This is not just about one woman. And it absolutely doesn`t matter if she had breast implants.
BEHAR: OK, Danny, do you agree with that?
DANNY BONADUCE, ACTOR AND RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: I disagree vehemently with that.
BEHAR: Vehemently.
BONADUCE: When you have 12 percent of the executives being female and 40 percent of the executives being laid off being female, why would now would of all organizations would back a woman whose goal in life is to look like Barbie. Who said, intentionally on the Discovery channel, I want to look like my role models, Carmen Electra and Pamela Anderson, a woman who allegedly has hepatitis C and one who intentionally slept with Dennis Rodman --
BEHAR: Wait a second. That is irrelevant, Danny, if she had hepatitis.
BONADUCE: It is?
BEHAR: Yes, that is completely irrelevant, you know, Terry --
BONADUCE: When you`re handling my 401(k) plan, your choices are more than relevant.
BEHAR: What does the size of her boobs and whatever she`s got, any illness she`s got, have to do with handling your 401(k)? Her brains are not her boobs.
O`NEIL: A woman -
BONADUCE: Absolutely nothing but I watched this Discovery channel on her and her goal was to be -- to incite sexual excitement in men. She said it. I wish to be stared at and ogled. That is what I`m looking for. She got what she wanted. She`s caused irritation in the work place. She is not working on my I.R.A., she`s working on my irritating rack association. I need her done and away from my finances.
BEHAR: All right Terry, answer that.
O`NEIL: That was seven years ago, first of all when she was in her 20s. Number one, why are we still punishing her for that? That`s number one, number two, women`s bodies are constantly used as an excuse and justification for pushing them out of the workplace. Even Supreme Court nominee Elena Kagan is been facing it. She has been -- her physical appearance has been examined up one side and down the other. "Washington Post" columnists complaining about how drab she is. The people in the media saying she has short hair, so maybe she`s a lesbian. Women`s bodies are constantly used as justification for being told, you don`t belong here. We don`t want you here.
BONADUCE: Fair enough. Go ahead.
BEHAR: That`s fair. Just a second, Danny. Jim, have you ever worked with someone so hot she`s reacting to you?
JIM NORTON, COMEDIAN: Yes. I get a spanking video of Helen Thomas. That was kind of difficult to get over. And Lewis Black and I did a short film together and we wound up in the restroom with a glory whole, that`s four or five times --
BEHAR: Oh boy, all right, Danny, what`s your question for Terry.
BONADUCE: All right. Miss O`Neill, do we both agree that a woman has a right to choose? That we agree completely that a woman`s choice on the internal or external points of her body are her own choosing?
O`NEIL: You know, of course.
BONADUCE: OK. Good. Let me follow that question up. There`s a woman named "Bombshell" McGee who has swastikas tattooed all over her body. Does she have a right to go to work now at Cantor`s deli, or is she now out because she has chosen but to form her body with swastikas that point, I hate all my customers? Is that OK with you? A woman has a right to choose?
O`NEIL: Look, the point is, women`s bodies are their own. And of course -- appropriate --
BONADUCE: No, the point is, is the woman their body their own to keep a job, can a woman with swastikas work at a kosher deli, yes or no?
BEHAR: If they hire her, she can work there. See -- BONADUCE: But Citibank doesn`t want her there.
BEHAR: Yes, Citibank can also use, she`s got a lawsuit pending against Citibank, and they could possibly use this video against her. Don`t you think, Terry, that`s not fair.
O`NEIL: You know, of course they`re going to use it against her. I would imagine. What Wall Street is very famous for is what we call the sluts and nuts defense. In other words, when a woman complains she`s been pushed out through sexual harassment we don`t want you here because of how you look or whatever, the first defense is, oh she`s nuts, she`s crazy, that`s not why we fired her, we fired her for some good reason. And also by the way, she`s a slut, she`s horrible, she deserves to be fired. So women get the sluts and nuts defense all the time.
BEHAR: Go ahead Jim, OK, Jim.
NORTON: What idiot in the banking industry is firing women because her (EXPLETIVE DELETED) are too big? Why would they fire someone for that, she should get a raise and be rewarded.
BEHAR: She says, they`re saying she`s too distracting to the men. Because the men cannot control themselves when they see a good looking woman walk by.
NORTON: The bad news is she might get fired. The good news is, I`m hiring. I think she`s fantastic.
BONADUCE: If all the woman wants is a raise, she`s getting looks as she walks down the aisle. And I find that a distraction.
BEHAR: But you know Terry, another area, let me ask you a question Terry, there`s an epidemic of women going around getting implants and all sorts of surgery, lipo, everything to enhance their looks. Have we failed as feminist for this generation that they seem to be more obsessed with their looks than ever before?
O`NEIL: I think what we`ve failed to do is adequately regulate the industries that are pushing this kind of thing on women. And I don`t think we have enough information about the safety of implants. We don`t have enough information about the safety of this kind of --
BEHAR: No, but I`m not speaking to the safety part of it right now. I`m speaking to the narcissism of it all. And that`s what I mean really. Don`t you think it`s a bit over the top lately? I mean look at this girl Heidi Montag. She had ten surgeries in one day because she doesn`t like the way she look, there`s something wrong with what`s going on --
NORTON: That`s not the industry, that`s rotten uncle or father. I mean that`s the problem with that, low self-esteem has nothing to do with the industry or the government regulation.
BEHAR: She`s speaking to some other point.
NORTON: Yes, I encourage breast augmentation, I really do.
O`NEIL: You know but a lot of people don`t realize for example, in Las Vegas it`s almost impossible for women to get a job at a casino unless they`ve had breast augmentation.
BONADUCE: That`s my point.
O`NEIL: Yes, and that is a real problem.
BONADUCE: Not the lady who took 20 grand off me last time.
NORTON: I know it`s hard to believe they wouldn`t have integrity in a place built on taking your college tuition money for your kids` college. Yes, why would they have --
BEHAR: Danny what is the male obsession with breast, women`s breast? What is that about?
BONADUCE: Can I be completely frank and honest?
BEHAR: Of course.
BONADUCE: They`re absolutely fun. They`re more fun than my bicycle. They`re very good - you know, a natural pair of breasts, my girlfriend or fiancee rather has natural D`s, and they`re wonderful and I like to cuddle with her.
BEHAR: You know what -
BONADUCE: Double D`s and bigger is like playing motorboat with Mount Rushmore and you`re rubbing your face with one George Washington and Thomas Jefferson you just come of with chaffing --
BEHAR: Thank you for sharing, I don`t think I could have gotten through the day without knowing that about you and your girlfriend. You know this woman said she wanted surgery to help her find the perfect man. She wanted her boobs even bigger and bigger and bigger. She finds a guy she likes. I`ll ask you this question. And the guy doesn`t like a big- breasted woman.
NORTON: What kind of guy doesn`t like a big-breasted woman?
BEHAR: Plenty, plenty, that`s not true, that is not true. I happen to have watched a semi-porn movie last night, a French film, and it was a girl who had hardly any breasts and he was so hot for her, you couldn`t take your eyes off that team.
NORTON: How depressing this is what she got to get the perfect man and this is what she`s got attracted to her, me.
BEHAR: That is a sad story. Go ahead, somebody wanted to say something.
BONADUCE: I was going to say it`s fashionably true, by the way. Implants are down 27 percent. And breast reductions are up 13 percent. Women are going for smaller breasts. And following fashion with your own body, fairly disgusts me. But the fact is, breast implants are down, breast reductions are up.
BEHAR: Terry, we never have this conversation about men being too arousing in the office -- I mean I worked with Rush Limbaugh. I was not aroused, thank you guys very much. You can catch Jim Norton at the Borgata in Atlantic City July 2nd and 3rd.
The oil spill has become President Obama`s crisis with the left and right at his throat. What will be his next move? The boisterous Lewis Black has some tips next.
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LEWIS BLACK, COMEDIAN: You find yourself in a voting booth, and you`re looking at two names, and you`re thinking to yourself, gee, I`d really like to hang out with this guy. Boy, would he be fun to drink with. You vote for the other person.
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BEHAR: The primaries, the oil spill, the tea party, Lewis Black is here and his DVD "Stark Raving Black" will be out next Tuesday. Welcome again to the show, Lewis.
BLACK: Nice to be here.
BEHAR: You`re right, that`s an indictment against George Bush basically. He was great to have a beer with. But he made the worst president in the history of the United States.
BLACK: Astonishing.
BEHAR: It`s astonishing.
BLACK: It`s astonishing. And they don`t seem to remember that he was president, do they?
BEHAR: No, they don`t.
BLACK: We literally -- as soon as somebody leaves office, we have a stroke. We don`t remember what happened two days ago.
BEHAR: They don`t want you to blame -- the Republicans are like, don`t blame Bush. The problems are now.
BLACK: You know what we hit? This was -- we hit $1 trillion, that we`ve spent in Afghanistan and Iraq. A trillion.
BEHAR: A trillion.
BLACK: We just spent $1 trillion, you jack asses. We spent it there. And they don`t even like -- there`s nobody - there`s discussion. I get that from what some idiot radio station I`m listening to and somebody comes out. It should have been in the headline of "The New York Times."
BEHAR: That`s true.
BLACK: A trillion already spent, morons.
BEHAR: Right. What about this oil spill? I mean, who should we blame for that? Besides that annoying Hayward guy doing that ad.
BLACK: Well you can`t really blame any of them because they don`t seem to accept blame as a thing.
BEHAR: No.
BLACK: We should blame BP because they hired Halliburton. And anybody who hires Halliburton should be blamed for what happens. Halliburton, once again, they made the cement or concrete that kind of screwed up, too.
BEHAR: Right.
BLACK: In part, it`s BP`s fault. I have a --
BEHAR: Isn`t that Cheney`s fault? He worked with Halliburton.
BLACK: Well yes.
BEHAR: And he put the kibosh on the $500,000 expenditure to do something that would be a safety factor. Did you know that?
BLACK: No.
BEHAR: That was - you know why he`s not around? Have you seen him around lately on television, Cheney? He`s hiding again because he knows, he sends his daughter out to talk for him.
BLACK: Well no because they`re cloning him.
BEHAR: Is that it?
BLACK: Yes.
BEHAR: Now I`m scared.
BLACK: They`re making a new one.
BEHAR: Yes.
BLACK: So that, you know, so that he doesn`t need a stent for a while. They have to create a new one so they can operate on the old one and then they bring the old one back. And then the clone dies like they do in the movies.
BEHAR: Right.
BLACK: You know, like the lamb that`s like cloned and it`s good for two weeks.
BEHAR: No but the original will never die, you know that.
BLACK: No. You know, I have a tremendous idea in regards to how to deal with this oil spill. We -- BP is a multi-national corporation. Multi-national corporations deal with the rest of the world as if they`re their own countries, their sovereign countries.
BEHAR: Right.
BLACK: As far as I can tell, day to day, this is like day 49 or whatever, we`re being attacked by oil.
BEHAR: Right.
BLACK: So in -- essentially I believe BP has launched the attack. And if we have the nerve -- if we can go into another country, to invade them because we think they`ve got nuclear weapons and actually, you can see us being attacked --
BEHAR: Right.
BLACK: -- we have to invade BP.
BEHAR: OK.
BLACK: We invade them.
BEHAR: Now, there`s a plan.
BLACK: It`s a tremendous plan. We go in, we take all their buildings. They don`t even have an army.
BEHAR: That`s true.
BLACK: You know? We get to wherever -- and we find wherever the checks come in, and get somebody and just start -- we take the money.
BEHAR: Right.
BLACK: And then we can use the money to do stuff. And just throw those BP guys out. Say, no, you`re -- put them in an internment camp.
BEHAR: Uh huh, there`s an idea too. As I`m watching you Lewis, I`m thinking, why can`t President Obama get aggravated the way you do?
BLACK: Because it`s exhausting it is, I can`t --
BEHAR: It`s exhausting just sitting here with you.
BLACK: I know.
BEHAR: I`m ready to take a nap already. You`ve only been here two minutes.
BLACK: I can`t see your president doing this yelling and screaming thing. I know what it`s like. I need him to have energy all day. I mean unlike Bush who seemed to take a nap just so he could get up and chew again.
BEHAR: Yes, that`s true.
BLACK: This is someone who needs -- he`s got to conserve his energy. I do this, you know, for a living. And I seriously need naps to do this. No, had doesn`t matter if he gets angry. What difference does it make.
BEHAR: It doesn`t.
BLACK: And don`t impinge on my act. It`s all I have.
BEHAR: It`s your act, not his. But you know what Dee Dee Meyers, remember press secretary for Clinton, she was on television the other day and she was saying he can`t get angry because he`s black. I mean, what is that? That`s what she said.
BLACK: Why?
BEHAR: In other words, the country will perceive an angry black man. I heard this during the election when he was running, that he couldn`t get angry then because white Americans get scared of angry black guys, I guess, or something. I don`t know. But now --
BLACK: Come on. They also get scared of a president who speaks in paragraphs. They have a tendency to panic. They`re just getting used to it.
BEHAR: Who puts periods in.
BLACK: They get dizzy now in the middle of the third sentence. Oh, no, where`s he going. Where have we been. Oh, no, there`s a point coming. I don`t know if I can make it.
BEHAR: Also, there is Mat Drudge, he`s a piece of work.
BLACK: Oh yes he`s good. There`s the reason to bring the internet to its knees is Matt Drudge.
BEHAR: Now when Obama went on television with Matt Lauer, what did he say, we talked to these folks because they potentially have the best answers so I know whose ass to kick, that`s what Obama said, and Drudge said that Obama went street. Now, isn`t that kind of a right-wing message to send out there, kind of little racist undertones there? My opinion.
BLACK: Kicking butt?
BEHAR: That he said he`s going to kick ass, that he`s going street.
BLACK: Kicking of ass? Jews say that a lot and we`re not much street in us.
BEHAR: OK.
BLACK: I mean seriously, that --
BEHAR: Which reminds me, what about Helen Thomas? Do you have anything on that?
BLACK: It`s so, so sad.
BEHAR: It`s sad?
BLACK: I just think her editing equipment just is broke. You know what I mean? She`s 89. Look at my mother. My mother, a great example, my mother yesterday --
BEHAR: Wait hold that. I want to hear about your mother en we come back. Don`t go away.
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BEHAR: I`m back with the very funny Lewis black. Well all right, he`s going to tell us now what his mother said about Helen Thomas.
BLACK: Not about Helen Thomas, but about, my mother`s 91.
BEHAR: Oh.
BLACK: And what I`ve noticed in her is her editing equipment is gone so she`ll say anything to anyone.
BEHAR: Right.
BLACK: It`s like -- so she calls me and says, "I saw your concert film "Back On Black." and you know what`s really great? She said, six years ago they shot that, and your hair is the same today as it was then. Now, my mother should stop there. That`s a compliment.
BEHAR: Yes.
BLACK: There`s a pause. And she goes, "which means you`re just as bald now." you know?
BEHAR: She had to go there.
BLACK: You know? Normally, you know, 20 years ago she might have smiled, and that would have been the end of it.
BEHAR: So this does relate to Helen Thomas in so way.
BLACK: Well in a sense she`s got -
BEHAR: The editing thing, it`s gone -
BLACK: The edit thing, it`s gone in me and I`m only in my early 60s.
BEHAR: But that`s what she meant, that you were going bald. She meant that.
BLACK: Oh yes.
BEHAR: And Helen Thomas meant what she said, whether she`s old or not.
BLACK: Oh no she meant it, it`s not a great thing to say.
BEHAR: She meant it, now weren`t you upset that Al Gore and Tipper are getting a divorce or they`re splitting in that was shocking.
BLACK: Oh boy that sent me off my tracks. Huh? I found it hard to get out of bed the next day. Really? I think it`s because they can`t fit in the same bed together anymore. Oh! I knew that would upset you! I knew it! And I don`t care! It`s a perfect joke. They should be in opera together. Is that better? Is that a better joke?
BEHAR: Well, here`s the thing. I was reading two tabloids this morning, which I have subscriptions to. And one of them said that he possibly was hanging out with a cheerleader and that there`s a woman involved.
BLACK: A cheerleader?
BEHAR: And the other one said that he`s gay. I mean, nobody knows what`s going on with the Gores. And their daughter is getting a divorce, it`s like the Gore families, they`re all unraveling.
BLACK: You know, it`s like they`ve been married 40 years. There`s people can only go for so long at this point. I mean, how long -- listen, I mean most people, if they can get three years, they`re lucky.
BEHAR: That`s true.
BLACK: You know, 40. You can`t even hear the words anymore.
BEHAR: Well, years ago --
BLACK: My parents, the reason they`ve lived together so long, they`ve never heard a word the other one has said.
BEHAR: That`s a very good way to stay married.
BLACK: Well, that`s the only way. They`re kind of surprised to see each other again now.
BEHAR: Many years ago you used to die at 40. Now you`re stuck with the guy another 40 years. That`s not working.
BLACK: No, it`s not working. A cheerleader? Al Gore?
BEHAR: Whatever.
BLACK: What is she? Seriously. How -- look. Who is he --
BEHAR: If they`re sleeping together, she`s got splinters, I`ll tell you that.
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So anyway. Lewis, you`ve never -- you`ve never gotten married. You`ve never gotten married.
BLACK: No, I was married early on.
BEHAR: Oh, you were?
BLACK: Yes.
BEHAR: For how long?
BLACK: About ten minutes. It was one of the fastest on record.
BEHAR: What happened?
BLACK: Bad marriage. Bad. Compulsive liar. Always a good choice in a woman.
BEHAR: She was or you were? She was a compulsive liar.
BLACK: Yes, she was. She taught me how to do it. And I carried the tradition on.
BEHAR: So maybe someone who`s been married for ten minutes, do you any advice for married people before we go is this success tips?
BLACK: No. I mean, I don`t know really what you do.
BEHAR: OK, thanks, Lewis. We have to go. It`s like abrupt endings, the way my relationship ended in the old days. Lewis Black, "Stark Raving Black" debuts on Comedy Central Saturday at 9:00 p.m. Good night, everybody. Keep that anger going! Keep it going!
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