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Coleman`s Death Foul Play?; Joran Confession Tossed?; Bethenny`s Baby Weight; Carnie`s Weight Crisis; From Fat To Fit
Aired June 10, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HLN HOST: Tonight, police ruled out foul play in the death of actor Gary Coleman. The executor of his state begs to differ. But who is he accusing, anyway?
Then, real housewife Bethenny Frankel lost 29 pounds of baby weight five pounds after giving birth. By that math all the octomom has to do is lose 232 pounds in 40 weeks and they`ll be even.
If you want to go to the beach and just lie around in the sun, we`ll tell you how to look better or do what I do. Go to the beach at night when the only people there are 80-year-old men with metal detectors. It`s great.
That and much more right now.
The executor of Gary Coleman`s will, Dian Mial, is convinced there was foul play in the actor`s death. The "Diff`rent Strokes" star died after falling at home. Now his ex-wife Shannon Price is under the spotlight as friends and onlookers try to make sense of her behavior.
With me now are Debbie Magids, psychologist; Midwin Charles, criminal defense attorney and legal contributor to "In Session" on TruTV; and Ken Baker, executive news editor for E!
Ok. Let me tell you what the executor`s full statement -- part of the statement is, anyway. He says, "I wholeheartedly believe there was foul play here. There has been absolutely nothing covert about Shannon Price`s behavior and how sadly she has handled this situation."
Ken, is he saying that Shannon Price killed Gary? What is he saying?
KEN BAKER, EXECUTIVE NEWS EDITOR, E!: Well, he seems to be suggesting -- and those are very serious charges, by the way. We contacted the police and police have been saying they don`t suspect foul play because they`re investigating right now. They haven`t concluded exactly; the death investigation is still under way. They`re not commenting. They`re saying officially they`re not suspecting any foul play whatsoever.
What there does seem to be guilt about is that there`s some sort of -- for lack of a better word -- shady or sketchy behavior on her part because a lot of people are saying she`s trying to somehow capitalize on this and make money off his death by selling photos and things like that, interviews.
And I think that`s where their suspicions are lying because they`re thinking look, why is she sitting here, cashing in on this. Shouldn`t she be grieving?
BEHAR: Ok, so maybe she`s cashing in. That does not make her a murderer. They have to keep those things -- I think it`s a little reckless of him to say this at this point, don`t you?
DEBBIE MAGIDS, PSYCHOLOGIST: I agree. We don`t know what her behavior really means. We don`t know who this woman is. We are vilifying her already based on her actions. Maybe she`s in shock. Maybe -- we don`t know what`s going on for her.
BEHAR: What is the motive of this executor to say this? That`s my question. What is he getting out of it?
MAGIDS: It seems to me money is always a big motive for people if he vilifies her, you know, there`s a whole thing going on with the will and who`s getting the money and I think he`s pretty much involved with that.
BEHAR: I keep getting conflicting reports. Some people say there`s money and some people say there`s no money. Is there money? People are acting strangely around this case as if there is money. And then you find out, well, he was broke.
Ken, do you know anything about the money?
BAKER: Well, here`s the thing. He was broke. But what he was set to do is he did get a pension from the Screen Actors` Guild that he was set to get. And I`m told that there`s some sort of survivor`s fund -- there`s some sort of money that you can get from those pension funds. That`s really all the money we`re talking about.
Because all the sources that we`ve talk to say that he barely had two dimes to scrape together at the time of his death.
And also if you really look at this, I hate to say this, but, you know, if someone is in shock, that`s a lot different than them going out and capitalizing and trying to monetize someone`s death. Shock and monetization are two different things that you do.
BEHAR: Go ahead.
MIDWIN CHARLES, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I think the point is. It`s one thing to kind of capitalize on the death. But it`s all about the manner in which you do it.
Why isn`t she capitalizing on perhaps the life that they had together. For example, Joy, they had a real tumultuous relationship. I think everyone knows that. Write a book about that. You know, go out on the speaking circuit and talk to women about being victims, of being in an abusive relationship.
But this isn`t the way that you try to earn a living on the death of someone you claim to love.
BEHAR: She seems to want some quick cash. And then there`s the situation with the photograph. Someone sold this picture of Gary on his deathbed next to Shannon to the "Globe". We`ve blocked out his side because it`s too ghoulish to show that. But there she is in the picture.
Now, she says that she did not sell the picture to the " "Globe". Do you believe her?
MAGIDS: I don`t believe her.
BEHAR: You don`t.
MAGIDS: I do think she`s the one who -- in my opinion. I don`t know for sure obviously. But I do think something`s going on for this girl where she is trying to get money. I don`t know if it`s because she was with Gary so she could get money or if she is frightened now that she doesn`t have Gary and she doesn`t know what to do for money.
She`s also a 24-year-old girl. I mean this is not --
BEHAR: Right.
MAGIDS: -- you know, she`s very young and we don`t know why she`s doing these things but I do believe she`s doing them.
BEHAR: Ken, do you think the people at the "Globe" will ever reveal who gave them the photo that they paid for?
BAKER: No, probably not. Like some of the other panelists are saying, I think it`s an issue of semantics here. If she`s saying I didn`t sell that photo, well, perhaps, did a third party? Did you authorize someone else to sell that?
Clearly she took that picture; clearly that picture was put into someone`s hands to make money on it. I really do think it`s pretty fishy.
And by the way, I don`t think there`s really much of a market out there for this kind of gruesome stuff. I mean we do see the photos that emerge. But you know what, I think most people including all of us here kind of talking about this, we don`t really even want to see that stuff. It`s just really sad. It`s exploitive and it`s depressing.
BEHAR: I mean Michael Jackson, there were pictures of him. There`s Anna Nicole Smith. There is a market for it.
CHARLES: I think there is a market for it. I mean I think unfortunately in today`s society this is the kind of stuff that sells. It`s the macabre. It`s the stuff that kind of, you know, makes everyone uneasy. And unfortunately people want to see it.
BEHAR: It`s creepy.
MAGIDS: It is really creepy.
BEHAR: It is unusual to take pictures of your loved ones when they`re in the hospital tied up to tubes and stuff.
MAGIDS: It`s very unusual and that`s why she is cashing. I mean it`s like when we stop and watch a car wreck. We can`t help but want to look at the things that hurt us the most or that were the most that frightens us.
I do think that it`s odd behavior on her part but I don`t know that she did not love him. Their relationship was --
BEHAR: Well, who knows?
MAGIDS: Right -- it`s a very tumultuous but they stuck with each other until the very end.
BEHAR: Well, co-dependency is a form of love, maybe.
MAGIDS: It`s not a healthy form of love but it was their form and he was a participant of that as well.
CHARLES: But even when you watch her on interviews, all she does is talks about how she needs money and times are rough. I`m like, "Hello. We`re in a recession. Times are rough for everyone." Get a job.
BEHAR: She`s 24 years old, get a job.
CHARLES: Get a job.
BEHAR: Ok. Shannon Price talked to Entertainment Tonight about what she would like to do with Coleman`s ashes. Watch.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SHANNON PRICE, GARY COLEMAN`S FORMER WIFE: I know I would spread some of them around some train tracks. Because trains were his hobby and he would love that very much. And I think that he would appreciate that I did that for him.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: Ok, you`re the shrink.
MAGIDS: I am.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: What`s up for that? Is that sweet or odd?
MAGIDS: It is odd but my opinion is she thinks it`s going to endear her to the public at large because she really knew him. She knew what he loved. She knows what would be best for him.
It`s not working but she thinks that that would endear her.
BEHAR: How does that endear her to anyone but people who work at Penn Station? Sorry.
MAGIDS: Because she knew him the best. She knows what he would really want. She knew that this was a love he had. The rest of us did not know.
I do believe in her mind this makes her closer to him. She knows him better than any of us knew him.
BEHAR: Yes. Well, she`s not exactly grieving. See, that`s the problem with her. It`s like if you are going to be the widow who wants money, you better put on a better show than she`s been putting on. She`s not doing well, right?
CHARLES: You`re right. She does not appear to be grief-stricken at all. I mean she`s giving interviews all day every day.
BEHAR: And let`s not forget that 911 call she made. Let`s hear that again.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
PRICE: I just got home. I heard a big bang. I went downstairs. Blood everywhere. I don`t know if he`s ok. I`m not down there right now because I have seizures. If I get stressed out, I`m going to seize.
Send someone quick because I don`t if he`s like going to be alive because there`s a lot of blood on the floor.
911 OPERATOR: Is there any way you can go down there at all?
PRICE: I`ll try. I don`t know. I mean I just can`t be here with the blood. I`m sorry, I can`t do it. I can`t. I just don`t want him to die. I`m freaking out like really bad.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
BEHAR: You know we all have a little fear of blood but, you know, the guy is in trouble. Go see what`s happened there. That`s the problem with this woman. But you know, again, you can`t really condemn somebody for their behavior. Are they guilty or aren`t they guilty? That`s what we want to know, right?
CHARLES: Exactly. You know me, the defense attorney, you`re presumed innocent as always. It`s just not adding up and not making sense. That`s what everyone finds bizarre.
BEHAR: I know. But one more thing, ken. She`s been taking documents out of the house. Do you know anything about that?
BAKER: I think that what she`s trying to do is build some sort of case that she -- despite what the will said there was some agreement she made with Gary. But that`s a lot of speculation.
What`s really important to understand here is in the context of where he died and where he was in his life, this is a guy that for the last -- he was 42 when he died -- but for the last 25 or 30 years really severely struggling with kidney disease. He filed for bankruptcy in the `90s. He was in a major lawsuit with his parents who he accused of mismanaging his funds. This was a guy who was arrested several times who clearly had some anger issues.
He very much was struggling and the fact that he was in this tumultuous relationship and now it`s a tumultuous death, it shouldn`t be really a surprise to a lot of people but it`s just very tragedy to a lot of people to see this all playing out.
BEHAR: Midwin, she says she has an updated will. There seems to be a few wills around. She has an updated one.
CHARLES: They do.
BEHAR: How bad is this legal battle going to get?
CHARLES: Well, I think it`s going to get messy. I think, you know, everyone is going to run in to court and a court is going to have to do or perform an inquiry to determine which is the will that Gary really intended to be the one to represent --
BEHAR: How are they supposed to figure that out?
CHARLES: Oh, it`s almost like a mini-trial Joy. They bring in witnesses. They do comparison of handwriting because I understand the one she has is a handwritten will.
So what they do is they look to see whether it`s his handwriting. They look at the dates.
BEHAR: Wow.
CHARLES: Was he in Jamaica the day that she claims he wrote it.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: This is never going to go away, this story, I have a bad feeling.
CHARLES: No it`s not.
BEHAR: Ok, thank you very much all of you.
Up next, new reports say Joran Van Der Sloot sat down to eat some cake next to Stephany Flores` body. I`ll have an update. What is going on?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up a little later on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, a special look at dieting, weight loss and fitness with singer Carnie Wilson, "Real Housewife of New York", Bethenny Frankel, fitness guru Jackie Warner (ph) and "Biggest Loser`s" Phil and Amy Parham (ph).
Now back to Joy.
BEHAR: Joran Van Der Sloot`s attorney is calling for a judge to throw out his confession. Meanwhile, new footage is released showing what appears to be the first meeting between Van Der Sloot and Flores.
Here with the details from Lima, Peru is Jean Casarez, correspondent for "In Session" on TRUTV. Jean let`s start with the fact that Van Der Sloot was moved today. Tell me what happened there.
JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Well, right now he`s in the hands of prosecutors because the case has been turned over to prosecutors. You know all week we`ve been in the midst of the criminal investigation by the Peruvian national police.
They have completed it. They turned it over to prosecutors but, Joy, what a day it has been. We were at the national police headquarters waiting for what we thought was going to be a press conference. All of a sudden I walk over to the area where cars go in and out.
Other press members were there and I see all of these police. I start to hear sirens. I hear motorcade engines. And out come all of these police cars. I saw Joran Van Der Sloot in probably the third one. It was going very slowly because there was so many press they really couldn`t get out of the building very quickly.
BEHAR: Yes.
CASAREZ: But he was sitting with two police officers by his side. Looked very serious and very pensive like we`ve seen on television but it was real and he was taken then to the prosecutor`s office.
BEHAR: Ok, does that mean he`s going to be charged finally with something?
CASAREZ: We`re waiting for formal charges. That would be the next step. We don`t know exactly when that`s going to happen.
BEHAR: Ok.
CASAREZ: But formality, according to Peruvian law he must be presented to prosecutors. He will end up though, at the building right to my left that is Justice Palace. That is where judges are and he will go before a judge. A judge will determine what prison -- they call it prison. We would call it jail. But they call it prison. What prison he would go to while this case goes forward.
BEHAR: Ok now his attorney wants his confession tossed out, on what grounds?
CASAREZ: Well, on the ground we spoke with him today by telephone. And it`s on the grounds that when he was interrogated and allegedly confessed, that although he had an attorney by his side, it was a public defender that does not institute the personal rights of Joran Van Der Sloot.
He said he`s a buddy of police. And he`s going to attack it on those grounds that it was not that voluntary confession. Furthermore he told us that Joran never consented to that lawyer, he didn`t want that particular lawyer but they put him with him any way.
Also he`s saying that when a crime scene investigation took place, he believes evidence was tainted at the scene namely the body. This is common though, with defense lawyers.
BEHAR: Ok, so does that mean that the confession could be thrown out? I mean, is that going to happen?
CASAREZ: Sure.
BEHAR: Wow.
CASAREZ: We don`t know. That will be as time goes on but anything is possible. Sure. The confession could be thrown out, definitely.
BEHAR: Wow. You know there`s new surveillance footage showing what is believed to be the first meeting between Van Der Sloot and Flores. How much could that video help bolster the case against him do you think? This is new.
CASAREZ: Well, it`s going to be foundational. It`s going to be very important. Because if so, that`s brand new, you know, I was watching it this morning on local television. Every single network this morning here in Lima had it. And I studied it and I studied it. Because there`s so much -- every time you watch this there`s just so more you just can gain.
Legally it`s foundational. It`s going to show that they met in the casino and they left together. That`s very important.
BEHAR: Wow, well could the video show, help Van Der Sloot at all? Because it really shows her going over to him. Does that help him at all? I don`t see why.
CASAREZ: It -- sure. No -- I think it could help him. Because it shows they were getting along. It shows that it was a normal evening. It shows they must have enjoyed each other`s company and left together at the hotel. You see them talking a little bit as they leave.
So the premeditated murder you could attack it from a defense point on that ground that it was not premeditated at all. And this could end up to be a case where you try to get it from a premeditated murder down to manslaughter or something that he`ll just have to serve a lesser term.
BEHAR: Ok, thanks very much, Jean.
Ok, now I want to turn to criminologist and attorney Casey Jordan. Casey, in this -- in his confession, he said I did -- quote, "I did not want to do it. The girl intruded into my private life." This is like a "blame the victim" thing.
CASEY JORDAN, CRIMINOLOGIST: Joy, he`s trying to minimize his culpability.
BEHAR: Yes.
JORDAN: Although, although I am impressed that he`s actually admitting to it. I think, I guess, he`s being a lot more reasonable about the predicament that he`s in and the denial while he`s kind of crumbling down.
But he still wants to blame her and say, you know, she grabbed my laptop and she started -- she started looking me up right in front of me.
BEHAR: Which we don`t even know if that`s true.
JORDAN: No, he could making that up completely. But the key as he said she invaded my private life and to me that`s the sentence that really shows what pushed his buttons and made him lose control.
BEHAR: He just -- he just freaked out from that.
JORDAN: Yes.
BEHAR: And -- one of the things that`s weird is he sipped coffee and ate cake while her bloody body was just a few feet away. Wouldn`t - - I mean we`ve already ascertained that the guy is a psychopath. Now, does this just continue to tell us that information over and over again? Whatever comes out?
JORDAN: You know, I read the same information a week ago.
BEHAR: Yes.
JORDAN: And it simply was he went out across the street and bought two cups of coffee and some bread for breakfast. Ok, so it`s meant to sell newspapers and get you to read the blogs.
BEHAR: Right.
JORDAN: The truth of the matter is though he had to regroup after this. He lost control according to his own confessions.
BEHAR: Yes.
JORDAN: He attacked her. He killed her. He broke her neck. He beat her. And then he had to figure out this is not like the Holloway case, what am I going to do. He has a body in front of him that he can`t dispose of.
BEHAR: So he`s sitting and eating cake?
JORDAN: No, he goes to get breakfast and I understand he also took some speed -- some amphetamines --
BEHAR: He took amphetamine --
JORDAN: Yes.
BEHAR: -- he showered and he dressed and he left the hotel room and looking very calm.
JORDAN: People routinely, in a moment of crisis, try to go through their routine to find it as a -- as a calming influence so they can get their head together and figure out what the next step is.
If you just keep following your structured routine, usually you can keep from panicking or freaking out or doing something stupid.
BEHAR: Ok, Casey. Stay right there. We`ll be back with more on the Joran Van Der Sloot case in just a minute.
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BEHAR: I`m back with my guest criminologist and attorney Casey Jordan. You know there`s an article in "People" magazine that we both read today sort of talking about his background. He`s only -- what is he -- 22 years old right now.
JORDAN: Twenty-two now.
BEHAR: They interviewed some of his ex-girlfriends. He emerges as a teenager, someone who`s a romantic. He wrote poetry. He had pinacoladas on the beach, whatever. But then he also emerges as a guy who is kind of a womanizer even for a young man like that.
And but he seemed to have sweetness to him at some point. Then he emerges as a liar. What do you make of this guy?
JORDAN: He was very romantic and sweet so the girlfriend remembers at the age of 16 but almost always in a contrived way. Don`t forget, the one girlfriend found out he was doing the same thing with another girlfriend. All those starry nights on the beach, he had a double life even as a 16-year-old.
BEHAR: Maybe he just liked the beach.
JORDAN: I think he liked girls. A lot of things on the beach he liked. But the bottom lime is he developed from a very young age; everyone described him as arrogant and spoiled and a womanizer from a young age. And so he developed this kind of con artist way of thinking that he can get away with anything because he`s charming and girls like him and if he just gives them skittles on their birthday and flowers and little star belly buttons --
BEHAR: It`s very Ted Bundy in a way. Ted Bundy obviously killed a lot of women. We don`t know the whole story here yet. It sounds like that. They are always charmers these guys. They could lure girls into their bedrooms and then they kill them.
JORDAN: The charm isn`t completely made-up. It`s just something about him to get them what they want. If they`re power hungry and again always used to instant gratification it can actually grow into a pathology and actually lead to sociopathic idea.
But you know, you have so many girls scream at you and you break up and you still get another girl. After a while, you don`t feel any guilt, any remorse. Nothing really touches you.
BEHAR: So these type of people, these sociopaths that you deal with, I guess, or you know about, they`re not from a young age? You`re saying you can become one as an adult?
JORDAN: They develop at any age, absolutely.
BEHAR: As a young adult it can start.
JORDAN: Sure.
BEHAR: It`s not a genetic thing or anything like that?
JORDAN: We don`t not enough hours in the day to figure out what the root causes are. We love to take it back to childhood and abuse. That`s the most common root cause. But no, it can happen --
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BEHAR: It doesn`t sound like he was abused. He sounds like he was close to his father. He missed his father when his father died.
JORDAN: He`s the exact opposite. He was indulged.
BEHAR: He was overly indulged.
JORDAN: Overly indulged and he became teflon-coated. Nothing could touch him --
BEHAR: Yes, but there`s something else in there. You can be overly indulged -- Prince Charles was overly indulged. He`s not a murder.
JORDAN: He didn`t have a parent who could get him out of a murder. You have to think about that. He had father. If you notice, his life has been on a downward spiral but really in the last three months, four months, since the father died. His guardian angel has been removed from the equation.
So he has now begun, you know the extortion case against the Holloways, he`s going to Thailand -- he`s really, really --
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: And he hasn`t spoken -- according to the article, he hasn`t spoken to his mother in quite a while.
JORDAN: She hasn`t spoke to him. She doesn`t talk to him. Put that in the equation.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: So he`s kind of detached. His friends aren`t speaking to him who were in Aruba at the time. Everybody has turned on him.
JORDAN: Evicted from his apartment in Thailand, lost his business. He`s had nothing but bad luck.
BEHAR: So he has no super ego.
JORDAN: Not anymore.
BEHAR: Zero super ego.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Thank you very much, Casey --
Up next, Bethenny Frankel and Carnie Wilson stop by with some tips on getting back your bikini bod for the summer.
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JOY BEHAR, HLN HOST: Real Housewife Bethenny Frankel is taking a lot of heat for losing a lot of weight very quickly. She gave birth less than a month ago and she says she`s already lost 29 pounds. So maybe she gave birth to a 27 pound baby? Here to tell us how she did it is Bethenny Frankel star of "BETHENNY GETS MARRIED" "GETTING MARRIED" sorry, "BETHENNY GETTING MARRIED" on Bravo. And the new work out DVD, Body By Bethenny. Bethenny, how much did the baby weigh?
BETHENNY FRANKEL, STAR, "BETHENNY GETTING MARRIED": I just had to stop snorting diet pills to answer your question. The baby was 4 pounds 11 ounces, or 4 pounds 12 ounces.
BEAHR: And how much was the placenta? Twenty pounds?
FRANKEL: The placenta, it is actually in the Guinness book of world records. Giant placenta. I`ve always been told I have a giant placenta.
BEHAR: Now let me just go through this, you had 29 pounds in three -
FRANKEL: A lot of this is now math.
BEHAR: That`s almost ten pounds a week.
FRANKEL: Right. Here`s the thing.
BEHAR: How did you do that?
FRANKEL: By the time I left the house I looked at myself and pulled up the gown and said I went under the hood, I didn`t know what was going to be there. I said this is not that bad. I didn`t know what it would be like. And I had probably lost most of it in the hospital. I had a c-section. I didn`t eat for three days while there. Just ices. You know --
BEHAR: Three days you didn`t eat?
FRANKEL: Yes, you don`t eat the day you`re in labor and two days after for c-section. And I left and I probably --
BEHAR: Why did have you to have a c-section?
FRANKEL: Because I was in labor for 29 hours, 26 hours, something like that.
BEHAR: Why?
FRANKEL: I don`t know, She was like jammed in there. I am very narrow. She was like really jammed in there and she wasn`t coming out. So I probably had ten pounds to lose when I left the hospital. I mean I gained 35 pounds, which is a lot considering I still had five weeks to go. I went early. It`s not like -- I feel like everyone wants a prescription for what I did. I didn`t really do that much. I was healthy before, during and after. I`ve sold a hundreds and thousands of books on the topic, I mean it`s not like, you know, a weight lifter.
BEHAR: It`s just that ten pounds a week, for me to do that I would have to cut off my arm.
FRANKEL: I understand well that - I try that`s one way to do it. It`s not that drastic.
BEHAR: Amputation is the way to lose weight.
FRANKEL: It is. It`s a good plan.
BEHAR: Not the easiest.
FRANKEL: That`s my next book, cut off limbs, one at a time.
BEHAR: And you`re breastfeeding aren`t you?
FRANKEL: I am breastfeeding.
BEHAR: So how did have you time to work out and breastfeed?
FRANKEL: I didn`t work out.
BEHAR: Oh you didn`t do any work - so no work out just -
FRANKEL: I worked out when I -
BEHAR: It is just natural loss of weight?
FRANKEL: OK I`ve now had the baby for five weeks and I`ve been on my elliptical machines three times. You know I have it and I was looking at it. Doctor said fine I got on it three times for 30 minutes in the last five weeks. I haven`t done that much. I`m running around. I`m breastfeeding. It`s not that much of a mystery. If people go off the rail -- a lot of Hollywood actresses particularly are always restricted or always not eating and when they are pregnant they go off the rails. Everyone says you`re eating for two. Eat what you want. It`s a big binge. And I honestly think that`s why people gain 70 pounds, 80 pounds and it takes a year to get off.
BEHAR: But why are you taking all this heat if you say it`s a natural way to lose weight? What is it? What`s going on?
FRANKEL: I have a brand called skinny girl -
BEHAR: Yes.
FRANKEL: It`s just annoying. I understand it`s annoying.
BEHAR: It`s extremely annoying.
FRANKEL: I`m annoyed for everybody. I get it. It`s annoying. I really do. I don`t think like oh, I`m not going to go around and eat cheeseburgers to prove to everybody I eat. I eat. Not a tremendous amount. I eat normally. And if I want an indulgence just like when I was pregnant, I have cheesecake when I indulge but I won`t eat it at dinner and lunch. And I won`t eat the whole thing.
BEHAR: Who eats cheesecake for dinner and lunch, nobody does that.
FRANKEL: No but I`m saying if I`m -- when I was pregnant or even if - when I was pregnant I would have cheesecake. But I wouldn`t have it at lunch and dinner. I would have a couple bites and it was over. I mean your diet is a bank account. That`s what I`ve been saying, it`s not that crazy. But I do understand it is annoying.
BEHAR: It`s very annoying to people. Next to Helen Thomas you`re one of the most hated women in America.
FRANKEL: I know but it is a big deal, other people though, have lost weight. I mean even Alex on my show. She said the weight fell off. I didn`t know it would happen. I thought it would be an s show. I thought it would be six months easily because I never been through it before. But it really isn`t that big of a deal.
BEHAR: What if you suddenly got really fat. Would you be in depression? We`d have to get you Zoloft and everything
FRANKEL: I don`t think I would be depressed. I would be concerned. I`d be like I`m a sham. Everything I`ve done is worthless and useless and I`ll burn all my books. But it didn`t happen. Because it is the truth. If your diet really is a bank account. And you just decide how you want to spend in your life based on your lifestyle.
BEHAR: So this skinny frame I`m looking at is all genetics really is what you`re saying, basically?
FRANKEL: I used to be 25 pounds heavier. I was always white knuckling and obsessing.
BEHAR: How much do you way?
FRANKEL: I weigh 123.
BEHAR: No, you don`t.
FRANKEL: Get me a scale.
BEHAR: No you don`t.
FRANKEL: Get me a scale, I do have a little - get me a scale -
BEHAR: That is not 123.
FRANKEL: Get me a scale -
BEHAR: That`s 115 at the most.
FRANKEL: I`ll bet -- on your show we`re making a bet --
BEHAR: I feel like at a carnival. I can guess your weight.
FRANKEL: How much do you want to bet? I`m going to get rich.
BEHAR: Ten dollars.
FRANKEL: All right, get me a scale. Send one of your people out and get me a scale.
BEHAR: All right can someone get a scale for this girl.
FRANKEL: Get me a scale.
BEHAR: Before you leave that chair, we`re putting you on a scale
FRANKEL: One hundred percent. I`m game. You say 113.
BEHAR: One hundred fifteen the most.
FRANKEL: I say 122, 123.
BEHAR: OK and that`s without the earrings.
FRANKEL: Without the earrings.
BEHAR: No earrings allowed.
FRANKEL: I`ll take all the jewelry off.
BEHAR: That ring weighs a pound.
FRANKEL: I`ll take my breastfeeding pads out.
BEHAR: Now you know it`s interesting, you girls have a lot of trouble on housewives. You are always fighting and everything else. But Alex McCord is sticking up for you. Did you know that?
FRANKEL: I heard that. I heard that.
BEHAR: She saying you just won the genetic lottery and that people are just jealous. What do you say to that?
FRANKEL: I think it`s nice Alex stuck up for me and probably lost her baby weight also and she`s a thin girl. And I get why people are annoyed. Like I said. People want to look at people and they want to feel better about themselves. And a lot of people gain a lot of weight while they`re pregnant. They want me to be in it with them.
BEHAR: I gained 26 pounds and I lost it by the time she got her learner`s permit I had lost it. Bethenny, thanks. "BETHENNY GETTING MARRIED" premieres tonight at ten p.m. on BRAVO. But we are going to weigh her later. So stick around for that. Weight loss is something singer and TV host Carnie Wilson has struggled with her whole life after undergoing gastric bypass surgery in 1999, she lost a whamping 150 pounds but gained most of it back during two pregnancies. Wanting to be a positive role model for her daughters, Carnie decided she has had enough and is determined to lead a healthy lifestyle once and before. So with me now is Carnie Wilson. Hi Carnie. I just poured Bethenny. I just raked Bethenny over the coals. And we`re going to weigh her.
CARNIE WILSON, SINGER: That was funny.
BEHAR: You know now, Carnie, you look very good. I`m looking at you here. You look so pretty.
WILSON: Thank you.
BEHAR: You have had trouble losing your baby weight. What do you make of Bethenny Frankel?
WILSON: You know, I like her first of all. I have to say that I feel like the whole baby weight thing is so blown out of proportion because I think with each woman it`s very individual thing. I think that Bethenny did not have a weight problem before she got pregnant so I feel like that the women that have had a weight problem, they get pregnant, usually they`ll have some trouble taking it off and especially if they go over the top with carbs during pregnancy and will gain weight.
BEHAR: Yes but is it even possible for the average women, I mean according to Bethenny she had lost some of it because she didn`t eat a couple days before the c-section and then afterwards and everything and naturally came off of her. But is it possible for normal woman to lose ten pounds a week unless she`s extremely, extremely obese?
WILSON: When you, obviously when you give birth, there`s fluid and lots of fluid and we gain, people gain more and lose more during pregnancy for whatever reason because of their individual body. I know for me that in the first month after I gave birth to Lola, my first child 40 pounds came off me. So I mean, but I had gained 70. So if Bethenny gained 30 - all these numbers are driving me crazy, Joy. All I know is all I want to do is live a healthy lifestyle. That`s the goal.
BEHAR: OK, right. OK, now you appeared on Dr. Oz back in February. And I have a clip of that. Let`s look at that for a minute.
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DR. OZ, HOST: Your weight is 218 pounds. But you probably knew that already.
WILSON: That doesn`t surprise me.
DR. OZ: Your waist size is 41 inches. Your blood sugar is 100. So you`re border line diabetic again.
WILSON: I`m border line diabetic right now?
DR. OZ: Yes. And of all the things I could have told you today, that`s the one that scares me the most.
WILSON: I can`t believe it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: That was a wake-up call for you, wasn`t it? And he also called you morbidly obese. He`s full of compliments, Dr. Oz.
WILSON: Yes, that was a wonderful experience.
BEHAR: That was a wake-up call for you. He`s big on tough love.
WILSON: Yes, he is it was a wake-up call. There were some things that -- there was some misinformation given out. I`m not morbidly obese. And I actually wasn`t diabetic. My sugars were high. The great news is since then I`ve taken off 15 pounds since then. And I do have a goal. I do have a goal to lose 20 pounds by the time I walk down the red carpet for my Emmy nomination for "NEWLYWED GAME."
BEHAR: Congratulations, that`s a motivation to look good on the red carpet.
WILSON: Thank you, well I mean, and the reason - and what I want to bring up is that, you know, there`s diets and this and that and constantly going back and forth and for the past year it has taken me one full year since I`ve given birth to lose this 15 pounds that I have struggled with but I actually lost it the last three months -
BEHAR: How.
WILSON: Eating fresh diet because didn`t you eat the fresh diet.
BEHAR: No, I did Jenny Craig. I lost 30 pounds on that. Listen, when they deliver the food to you, it`s a lot easier to do than having to making a decision every three hours.
WILSON: It`s so great, it`s the best. But let me tell you why I love the fresh diet. The fresh diet I love because it`s not packaged chemicals.
BEHAR: Are you a spokesperson for them? Are you a spokesperson?
WILSON: You`re darn right I am. Oh yes.
BEHAR: So this is commercial.
WILSON: Oh yes -
BEHAR: All right can I -
WILSON: No it`s not a commercial. This is the truth. I`m eating it. And it`s fresh. I want brown rice and teen wah, all these great mashed cauliflower, broccoli, all the stuff we should eat that is what I`m eating.
BEHAR: I know you know those diets are great. They work the fresh diet works. Jenny works. They all work until you stop getting it delivered to you and you have to live in the real world. But anyway, Carnie, stay right there. I`m going to add celebrity trainer Jackie Warner and from "BIGGEST LOSERS" to our panel discussion in a minute. And get a scale for Bethenny, she`s dying to get weighed.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
FRANKEL: OK, Joy, this is your bet and you better get $10 ready. Heavy earrings coming off. Five-inch heels coming off.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re about 121.
FRANKEL: OK, I`m not 113. I lost another two pounds. Now people can be more mad at me.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: You know in case you missed it before the break Bethenny and I had a bet about how much she weighs. She said about 122 pounds. I bet her $10 she weighed 113 pounds. OK Bethenny here`s your ten bucks, come and get it, baby.
Moving on a fitness video game a swimsuit that makes you look ten pounds thinner and flip-flops that tone your legs while you walk from the fridge to the couch. You know it seems like Americans will do almost anything to get fit other than diet and exercise include me in that group. Back with me to talk about getting fit for the summer is Carnie Wilson and joining us are Jackie Warner, fitness expert and author of "This Is Why You`re Fat (And How To Get Thin Forever)" and Amy and Phil Parham for contestants on "BIGGEST LOSER," and author of "The 90 Day Fitness Challenge." Welcome to the show. Amy and Phil, let me ask you, you lost all this weight, 256 pounds total together. How much did you lose?
AMY PARMAH, FORMER CONTESTANT, "THE BIGGEST LOSER": I lost 105.
BEHAR: And you?
PHIL PARMAH, FORMER CONSTESTANT, "THE BIGGEST LOSER": One hundred fifty one.
BEHAR: OK so -
P. PARMAH: Percentagewise about the same. Amy lost a hair more.
BEHAR: Right, right, now what`s one thing that you came away from "BIGGEST LOSER" that you can tell the audience to do this summer?
A. PARMAH: Well what I find is a lot of women especially they shut down their metabolisms. They say well I have a slow metabolism because they did that to themselves. They`ll eat coffee, won`t eat breakfast and go all day and then they will just pig out later on in the day when they`re starving. So what I learned is to train myself my metabolism by eating smaller meals and always try to combine protein, carbs, and fats with every meal.
BEHAR: I see.
P. PARMAH: A good healthy balance.
BEHAR: I see so has it been hard to keep the weight off? How long have you been --
A. PARMAH: We`re going on our two-year anniversary.
P. PARMAH: A year and a half since we lost the weight. I think the mental and emotional challenges for us because we learned all the basics stuff, nutrition, exercise and we incorporate exercise into your life every day now. At least for an hour a day, that`s for us.
BEHAR: Everybody says that`s what you`re supposed to do. And for some reason people can`t do it.
A. PARMAH: It`s all mental. They give themselves excuses and go through life and they make priorities for watching a lot of TV or doing other things.
P. PARMAH: Yes, OK they can put an hour of their time away to watch THE JOY BEHAR SHOW at night.
BEHAR: Well you can -
P. PARMAH: You can watch it on the elliptical.
BEHAR: Really? Who wants to watch TV on an elliptical.
A. PARMAH: I`ve done it.
BEHAR: Just shoot me. Listen, Jackie, you know, your book is called "This Is Why You`re Fat." Now why do you have to say fat? Can`t you say heavy, overweight, exhausting, or as Dr. Oz likes to says, morbidly obese. I mean why did you pick the word fat?
JACKIE WARNER, FITNESS EXPERT: Because I got thousands of e-mails from people and the number one question is why am I fat and when I do lose weight, why can`t I keep that weight off? So I don`t sugar coat anything. And I just really wanted to write the kind of book that said that gave you direct answers as to why you are heavy and why you can`t lose weight. And that`s what this book is.
BEHAR: OK, Carnie, do you think shows like "BIGGEST LOSER," these people are on the "BIGGEST LOSER" sets up sort of an unrealistic expectation for the average person because you guys had trainers and you have dietitians. What do you think, Carnie?
WILSON: I think whatever it takes to motivate this country to live a healthier lifestyle is all good and I think that some people can afford a trainer but everyone can afford to take a walk. I think that`s the least you can do is walk.
BEHAR: Well you know they say you should do 10,000 steps a day. That`s really almost five miles of walking. Do you realize that? That`s a lot of walking.
P. PARMAH: But can I say I was on a plane recently with lady and she showed me her pedometer. And she talked - she said I`ve gotten x amount of steps and she said, by having the accountability of a pedometer on her hip, it kept her accountable to that. And she, everyday if she got home and hadn`t do it, she would go out and walk a bit because that was her goal every day to do that.
BEHAR: I see, it`s not a bad idea. Jackie, Dr. Oz says it`s easier to lose weight in the summer. Yes, he does, what can we do -- why does he say that? Do you have any idea, Jackie?
WARNER: Yes. Obviously because you`re more active in the summertime. You`re willing to go outdoors. You are walking more. You don`t take the car to places. And also in (inaudible) takes place in the summertime so you literally do warm up and you -- it speeds up your metabolism. So there`s merit to that.
BEHAR: I see.
WARNER: You know the five-pound gain usually happens in the wintertime for a lot of people.
BEHAR: Yes sitting around and watching TV. What do you make -- while I have you, Jackie, what do you make of this - I think Jim Paris (ph) send me an e-mail the other day and he`s a personal fitness trainer, he says that cardio training adds years and makes you look older. What do you make of that?
WARNER: I don`t make anything of that.
BEHAR: Aerobic training. He believes in strength training is all you need to look sexy and increase your energy.
WARNER: There`s just been too many studies that talk about cardiovascular training and how important it is for the heart and the lungs and just function. Look we can`t do anything just to be thin, America. I mean we need to focus on our health and being healthy makes you think --
BEHAR: But maybe he`s talking about really incredibly intense cardio training. That may not be good for you.
WILSON: That`s different.
BEHAR: Yes OK guys, we`ll be continuing this after a short break, don`t go away.
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BEHAR: I`m back with my fitness panel. And I`ve got some Twitter questions for you. But Carnie, let me tell you one more thing. Another study I was reading says being skinny over 40 makes you look older and that you need a little fat in your face, either your butt or your face after 40. Is that - what do you -- that`s kind of nice, isn`t it?
WILSON: All I know is when I drink enough water, I look rested and I feel better. I think water is something we haven`t really mentioned. Water is huge. I think we lose weight in the summer more because we`re drinking water.
BEHAR: You know I have this guy I am doing strength training with. Don`t I look like it?
P. PARMAH: You look great.
BEHAR: He told me, this is over the weekend I heard this, you should drink in ounces half of your body weight. So if you`re 160 pounds, you should do -- how much is half of that? 80 ounces of water a day.
(CROSSTALK)
P. PARMAH: That`s in my book, that is the big key we talk about. Most people that lose weight drink extra water.
BEHAR: Yes, let`s do a couple Twitter questions for you guys here. What do you eat when you`re in a hurry and don`t want to mess up by eating fast food?
A. PARMAH: We cook a large amount of food in bulk, chickens, things you can put together in wraps and things like that really quickly. And so before we leave the house, we pack food with us.
P. PARMAH: And I have apples and almonds actually in my bag I brought with me. I keep food with me. I can`t depend on the drive through.
BEHAR: You keep food with you, uh huh, Jackie, number two, what do you suggest to older women who have more difficult time losing weight?
WILSON: It is more difficult. You have to speed up your metabolism. Can we get back to water. You know 3 liter of water burns 75 to 100 calories a day if you add lemon juice to it, you can speed up your metabolism by 33 percent so that is a hugely significant.
BEHAR: That`s a great tip.
P. PARMAH: That is a good tip.
BEHAR: That`s a great tip, Carnie, you`ve been on so many diet, do you have any will power tips to stay on track?
WILSON: That`s a tough one, thanks for the tough questions.
BEHAR: I`m sorry, does anybody have that?
WILSON: OK I`ll tell you, this is where you get your will power. What inspires you? Inspiration gives you will power in my opinion. My kids give me will power. The public gives me will power, it`s knowing who you are inside and what you really want, that`s how you will get your will power.
BEHAR: And not wanting to die too early.
P. PARMAH: Yes and exactly. Maybe they choose Amy and I as role models in the beginning, somebody 150 pounds overweight, then we choose Jackie as role model at this next level. It`s all about levels.
WILSON: Thank you, guys.
P. PARMAH: It`s all about levels.
BEHAR: You know, here`s another question for anybody, how do you get family to keep foods that might tempt you out of the house. That`s problematic sometimes.
P. PARMAH: Yes.
A. PARMAH: Well when we came back from the show, we went to our pantry, and our poor kids, it was like taking a band-aid off, we`re like, we`re not having any more. They were detoxing of soda and stuff. But you know what a lot of parents feel guilty for not having that stuff in the house. It`s our responsibility to take care of them.
P. PARMAH: We`re the role model for our kids. Because our kids didn`t go on a weight loss reality show, we did.
BEHAR: Are your kids chunky or not?
P. PARMAH: Our kids are half and half, three kids, all boys.
A. PARMAH: Three kids, boys.
BEHAR: So some are overweight and some of them are not.
A. PARMAH: Well our youngest has autism.
P. PARMAH: That`s a whole other story. Our middle child, guess what, he wants to work out because he`s seen mom and do it.
BEHAR: Good for him.
P. PARMAH: The other one is running cross-country, so.
BEHAR: Drink your water and put lemon in it. Thank you for joining and thank you watching. Good night everybody.
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