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Tiger Woods Divorce Deal?; Inside Sandra`s Divorce; Celebrity "Co- Parenting"; Latest on Joran Van Der Sloot

Aired June 30, 2010 - 21:00   ET


JOY BEHAR, HOST: Tonight, the marriage may be over but Sandra Bullock and Jesse James have agreed to co-parent. I`m happy. Every child should have two parents to complain about when they finally get into therapy.

Then vegan diets, baby food diets, macro (INAUDIBLE) diets. Why are celebrities so concerned about their weight? This is really a sickness, I think. By the way, does this dress make me look fat?

Nikki Blonsky won raves for her performance in the musical "Hair Spray" but she wasn`t a huge star until now. The star o the new series, "Huge" joins me.

That and more right now.

Well, there`s big news in celebrity breakups today. Tiger Woods -- get this -- Tiger Woods and his wife, Elin, have reportedly settled on a divorce deal. She`s going to walk away with -- drum roll, please -- $750 million. Ok? Let`s absorb that for a second. It`s almost a billion. In exchange, no Uchitels allowed near the kids.

Then there are the details of Sandra Bullock`s divorce. Sandra has reportedly decided to co-parent all the children with Jesse James and not just the son they adopted together.

Here to discuss this is David Caplan, senior editor of "People" magazine. Ok David.

DAVID CAPLAN, SENIOR EDITOR, "PEOPLE" MAGAZINE: First of all, "The Sun" newspaper in London is reporting there`s a divorce deal between Tiger and Elin for a lot of money. Tell me, talk to me.

CAPLAN: "The London Sun" is reporting $750 million. I can tell you sources tell people that it may be a little bit more in the range of about $700 million.

BEHAR: Oh, really? I`m so upset.

CAPLAN: You see that? You see that? She`s going to lose $50 million. "The Sun" is also reporting that they`re going to sign this next week in a court in Florida. That there is no paperwork yet; we haven`t seen it.

And some of the sort of stipulations in this is that Tiger cannot bring, like you called them any Uchitels -- a reference to Rachel Uchitel - - they can`t bring any women around the two kids, and also that she can`t to any tell-alls, TV interviews and books and so forth.

But really the issue between the two of them, sources are telling "People", is not necessarily squabbling over money -- it`s actually custody of the children. Sources tell "People" that Elin really wants to spend a lot more time in Sweden where she`s from, with the kids. They`re really trying to juggle that and figure out how that`s going to work.

BEHAR: Well, they`re reporting Elin gets sole physical custody but they both have legal custody. Explain.

CAPLAN: Exactly. Yes. I mean Elin will get custody but they wanted to have sort of, you know, an agreement within where he will definitely have visitation rights, it`s going to be planned. And they`re just trying to figure that out because he`s going to be spending so much time in Florida. And you know, Florida for Elin is not exactly a place she`s loving right now.

BEHAR: Yes. I don`t think she needs to write a tell-all with that kind of money coming in.

CAPLAN: I don`t think. Everyone`s told her story practically for her.

BEHAR: Exactly. There`s not much else to tell. And just enjoy the money, Elin. Wow.

Ok. Let`s turn to Sandra. Explain this co-parenting deal between Sandra and Jesse.

CAPLAN: A lot of people are surprised she`s even, you know, like doing this with him. But basically, essentially there is the set of children that Jesse has, who were never really Sandra`s step-kids. Sandra is going to be co-parenting them with Jesse even though she has no legal right to his kids. He`s actually planning -- his house in Los Angeles is up for sale. He`s planning to move to Austin where Sandra`s spending a lot of time right now because he wants to be closer to her. Because Sandra is in the process of adopting Louis, you know the little baby she adopted from New Orleans.


CAPLAN: However, I should tell you, she`s adopting him though as a single parent. Jesse is not involved in any way, shape or form with adopting the child. Sandra told "People" actually a couple of months ago that she wants Louis to know the type of dad that Jesse can be. So she really does want him in her boy`s life, it`s pretty amazing.

So they`re going to be spending a lot of time together in Austin and a source tells "People" that really Sandra and Jesse, they are in communication. There is contact. It`s not a lot, but it really focuses obviously on the kids.

BEHAR: Where are the mothers of his three kids? They`re ok with this that Sandra`s basically moving in there?

CAPLAN: Yes. Interestingly enough, his first wife, he has a great relationship with. He had two kids with the first wife. They live near each other in Los Angeles. And in fact a source tells "People" that the first wife is going to put her house up on the market in L.A. so she can move to Austin. So they`re all heading there.

And then the second wife, he has a very acrimonious relationship with and he`s locked in a custody battle with his second wife for this third child he has.


CAPLAN: A very blended family.

BEHAR: I don`t know. Well, we`ll see how that all works out.

But is all this co-parenting is this part of a divorce settlement or is it a verbal agreement?

CAPLAN: It seems to be maybe a bit more of a verbal agreement. There is not one legal document. Nothing within the divorce papers citing that. There may have been a sort of a private agreement between the two of them. But there`s nothing like -- it`s not even mentioned in the divorce papers.

BEHAR: Ok. Thanks David, very informative.

So Sandra and Jesse aren`t the only former couple co-parenting their kids. In fact, it looks like celebrity co-parenting might just be the newest trend in Hollywood.

Here with me to talk about that are Mark Vincent Caplan, celebrity family law expert who handled divorces for both Kevin Federline and Bob Dylan; Marla Maples -- hi Marla -- actress, radio host of "Awakening with Marla" and a former Mrs. Donald trump; and actress and author of "Happens Every Day: An all too true story", Isabel Gillies.

All right, you guys.

Let`s start with you, Mark. What is exactly co-parenting? How is it different from joint custody?

MARK VINCENT KAPLAN, CELEBRITY FAMILY LAW EXPERT: Well, joint custody, there`s legal custody which has to do with participating in the rights of making major decisions and there`s physical custody. Physical custody, called joint custody, doesn`t have to be 50/50 but it has to be where each parent has a significant time-share with the children.

Co-parenting means that there is a cooperation between the parents so that there isn`t one set of rules and one set of standards in one home and something else which could be confusing to children in the other home. Co-parenting means that the primary goal and role is child- centeredness; what`s best for the children, not what`s best for the parent.

BEHAR: I see. So it`s kind of a verbal agreement and a sort of a deal that you make with your ex, right?

KAPLAN: Co-parenting means that you`re actually working together in making decisions and implementing them for what`s really best for your children.

BEHAR: Ok. I understand that.

Marla, you have a daughter with the Donald.


BEHAR: Yes, you do, Tiffany. She`s a beautiful girl. How old is Tiffany now?

MAPLES: Tiffany`s 16. She`s driving. She`s here in the studio with me, my best supporter.

BEHAR: That`s nice. Do you have any kind of a co-parenting deal with the Donald? I love to call him the Donald.

MARPLES: I think the Donald, as you call him, we`ve been very -- I feel like I`ve been very fortunate because I`ve been able to really raise Tiffany out in California but away from the limelight. You know, away from the glare of all the Trumpdom that happens in New York City.

BEHAR: Nice.

MAPLES: It`s been good that I`ve been able to bring her up with her own identity. Of course, she can phone her dad and they can have conversations. He knows the schools I`m putting her into and such.

But it`s been really good that we`ve been able just to work this out so simply between us. You know, maybe the financial agreement -- you know my financial agreement, Joy.

BEHAR: Did you hear what -- Marla, did you hear what Elin was getting, $750 million?

MAPLES: What is Tiger worth, $700 million or $750 million? God bless her. I hope she`ll do beautiful things with the money. That`s a lot of money and in today`s world where so many people are struggling it`s a big responsibility to have that amount of money.

BEHAR: I wish I had that responsibility. I would love that responsibility.

MAPLES: It would be good to be able to share a little more, wouldn`t it Joy?


MAPLES: Yes, I know.


BEHAR: Would you like Donald to be more involved with Tiffany? You`re on two different coasts so it`s a little tricky, right?

MAPLES: Yes. You know, in the beginning, I felt a little sad about it because I wanted him to be more involved with the parenting. But she`s just a great girl. She`s been raised by some incredible women. My friends, my mother, my family have been here for her.

The most important thing is that they have unconditional love for one person that they know will always be there. And the studies have shown that that`s what`s really important that they know they`re loved.

BEHAR: I have to say for Donald on his behalf, that his kids turned out very well. Ivanka is a terrific girl and his son. I`ve met a couple of them now and they seem nice. And I`m sure Tiffany is a great kid. All that money and all that hoopla did not destroy the child, which is great.

MAPLES: Absolutely. Tiffany hasn`t been raised around all that money, you know Joy. She`s just been, you know, a very grounded child here in California. The other kids, I was with them for most of my 20s. I love them and they`ve always been amazing kids. They`ve got great souls.

BEHAR: Yes. Isabel, you`ve been co-parenting with your ex-husband. How has that been working?

ISABEL GILLIES, ACTRESS: Well, it`s good. Right away we decided that we had -- both of us had -- the children`s best interests as our top priority. The interesting thing is that when you co-parent, it`s true you have the same goals but how you reach them sometimes can be different.

BEHAR: He`s in Ohio and you`re in New York. You have a similar thing to Marla in that there`s geographical problems.

GILLIES: Yes. Because he -- I came back home and he teaches at a college there. But he comes every month. And my current husband and I leave our apartment and he comes and stays there with the boys so that they don`t have to go and be jostled and leave their home.

But I think what`s important is that even though you`re everything`s -- you`re trying to do the same things, people are different and people put on a sweater differently and the sun screen differently. It`s really important to have good faith and that the other person`s trying their best.

You think sometimes as a mother like, I`m the only one that can do it that way. Really, you know, it`s good for kids to have two different ways --

BEHAR: I think so too. Except that unless there`s, Mark you can address this, that there`s an acrimonious behavior going on between the two parents. It`s a little hard to have this thing work so smoothly.

KAPLAN: You know -

BEHAR: I mean, I wonder about Sandra Bullock that she`s so -- she has such a tremendous sympathy and empathy for this guy. Is it ever going to kick in where she really wants to strangle him?

KAPLAN: Well, I think that if I can say that usually the time when that impulse might be strongest is in the beginning, not later. You know the key to co-parenting really comes down to in making decisions and implementing decisions regarding the children. Does the one parent have the ability and the recognition to consider the other parent`s involvement and their role in fashioning those kinds of decisions that take that into account?

So that there`s not two sets of roles, two sets of standards. There`s always going to be some fluctuations between homes.


KAPLAN: But not saying this is the way I want to do it. And I`m not even going to consider how this impacts --


KAPLAN: -- my co-parent.

BEHAR: Ok guys.

KAPLAN: That`s the key.

BEHAR: Thank you very much.

Sit tight. We want to continue this in just a minute. We have more cases to go over. Oh, yes.


BEHAR: Ok, just to recap, if you`re just tuning in. Tiger and Elin Woods have reported -- I can`t get over this -- have reportedly reached a divorce deal. And Elin will walk away with three-quarters of a billion dollars. But it only includes partial dental coverage.

I`ll have much more on this story on tomorrow night`s show, ok? But right now I`m back with my panel discussing celebrity co-parents. Sandra and Jesse, Michael and Diandra, Oxsana and Mel, it sounds like the Brady Bunch with alimony, doesn`t it?

All right, now we were mentioning Mel Gibson. He`s -- he and his ex are currently having issues with custody of their -- of 8-month-old daughter. Do you think this case is about -- Marla, Isabel, do you think this case is about custody or about her getting more money?

MAPLES: I do not know the case well enough to really be able to comment on it. Of course, you know, we all know that the difficulty is when you`re in the center of it and the judgments are always going to be around you.

So -- so the most important thing as a mother is to stay centered on that child and know that the rest is just going to have to take care of itself.


MAPLES: The love that she gives that child is the most important.

BEHAR: Well, she`s claiming -- I should really have told you more about it. And she`s claiming that he hit her --


BEHAR: -- and she wants custody.

MAPLES: Oh, dear.

BEHAR: They never -- they were never married. But she wants --


BEHAR: -- she might want some money, which you know, you can`t blame her.

GILLIES: Yes, I think you have to be very big picture about things. And in a divorce or in a custody everyone is going to lose. I think the thing is people think they`re going to win something and they`re really not, because in divorce, no one is winning.

If everyone -- if you just know you`re going to lose something and get very big picture and focus on the children. And -- and -- you know, both parents are vital to those children. They love you both.

BEHAR: I know.

GILLIES: And they need you both.

BEHAR: But sometimes you can`t do it with two -- sometimes two people can`t do it. If you`re just one person, I mean, Marla`s saying basically - - it sounds to me Marla like you -- you carried most of the load and it was a pleasure for you because you love your baby and everything.


BEHAR: But you know, I was a single mother for a while and I found it easier in a certain way to raise a kid or without a guy telling me anything.

GILLIES: Well, that`s right, there`s no one talking you --

BEHAR: Yes, what do you think about that, Marla?

MAPLES: It`s making clear choices, being able to make clear choices. That you know, you`re there with that child day in -- day out. Your heart and soul is attached to the best interests of the child. And I -- I think if the father is more involved -- from the -- either in making choices, they`re not really there as much as -- as in my situation, I was there 99 percent of the time.

So the time she`s with her dad, it`s fun. She`s seeing her daddy. She`s getting experience that part of herself through his eyes. And she loves and needs --

BEHAR: Right.

MAPLES: -- the love and affection of a father.

But yes, I must say, it`s been choices that Tiffany and I have been able to make ourselves. The big ones of course we`re going run by daddy.

BEHAR: Well, yes. Yes.

MAPLES: But he`s given me the ability to do that.

BEHAR: That`s right.

MAPLES: And that`s really made it much easier.

BEHAR: Now Mark, you represented Kevin Federline in his divorce to Britney Spears. They had a lot of custody battles that played out in the media. Doesn`t that add another level of pressure to the already-difficult situation when it`s all being played out there in front of everybody?

KAPLAN: Well, when you`re dealing with celebrity cases, there`s not much you can do about it. You can try to minimize how much access the media has. But obviously, sometimes it -- it can be a help that media is covering it because it makes it very difficult for the other party to not be under a microscope.

It also puts pressures on the kids. When you have very young children --


KAPLAN: -- I think the media coverage, the paparazzi assault, if you will, at times can be really frightening to the kids. And I think that you have to do whatever you can to try to insulate that -- that instinct from children to fear people that are foreign to them. There`s lights going off. And --


KAPLAN: -- I think that you have to do what you can to remove them from that and I think Kevin did a great job with that.

BEHAR: All right, now Bristol Palin and Levi Johnston recently have had a rapprochement and apparently they`re going to be co-parenting. Now, she is 19 and he is 20. First of all, do you think Sarah Palin is going to let him do it? Not that she has a choice, it is his kid.

GILLIES: It`s not Sarah Palin`s child.

BEHAR: Yes, yes.

GILLIES: Right, so I mean, I hope that they`ll -- there are -- they`re babies themselves in some ways. But maybe the -- the instinct to be together and raise a child together is -- is I mean, I think it`s good. I think more, more, more, if Sarah Palin wants to get in there, good.

BEHAR: It takes a village.

GILLIES: It does take a village.


GILLIES: It really does.

BEHAR: Ok now, when Christie Brinkley and Peter Cook got divorced, she got full custody of her -- of their kids. The lawyers involved said there was too much anger between the two of them to share custody.

Marla, can you share custody with a person you hate?

MAPLES: You know, that`s tough. I have not really had to go through that level of -- thank God, hatred or -- or sharing of custody. But I know a lot of women out there today that are -- are broken because they have to put that child in a car with a nanny to go visit a father who they feel like has betrayed them in such a strong way.

And you have to be able to maintain your level of integrity and love to allow that child to be able to have a form of respect and relationship with the other parent, no matter what the real emotions and feelings are.

KAPLAN: And Joy --


KALAN: -- I just want -- I just want to say you something. That it`s very difficult to co-parent if you don`t respect the other parent and it`s very difficult --


KAPLAN: -- to respect the other parent if you hate them.

BEHAR: Do you agree Isabel?

GILLIES: Well, I think hatred and anger and all of these things have to go out the window. I think you have to --

MAPLES: Absolutely.

GILLIES: -- take the bull by the horns and forgive --

BEHAR: Easy to say.

GILLIES: Yes but you know what, not really. You had children. And your mistakes and your anger --

BEHAR: I agree with that but it`s hard to do sometimes.

GILLIES: You have to let it go or else it`s going to -- it`s like sticking thumb tacks in the kid. You can`t -- you just --forgive, move on and get to the more progressive road of raising children in -- already tough world, they don`t need all that -- you know.

BEHAR: Ok. Thanks very much, everybody.

KAPLAN: Thank you.

BEHAR: Good to see you again, Marla.

Joran Van Der Sloot reportedly wants a million bucks to do a TV interview. I`ll have the latest on his case next.


BEHAR: Accused murderer Joran Van Der Sloot has said he wants a million dollars for a jail house interview. This guy`s cojones are so big Angelina Jolie could adopt them.

Here now with the latest from Peru is Jean Casarez, correspondent for "In Session" on TruTV.

Jean. Hi Jean.

You know the judge has asked to meet with Stephany`s father today. Why?

JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": That`s right. Well, it`s normal procedure. You see in Peru -- and this is so different from the United States Joy -- the judge is in charge of the investigation. The judge is the primary finder of facts. So he`s having to meet with a lot of people and get their forma statements.

Now this is all done in secret, it`s private. You`re not supposed to know. But we know the family and so we were able to confirm with them that today was the day that Ricardo Flores, the father of Stephany, met with the judge. And Joy, it`s 30 days today that Stephany was murdered.

BEHAR: Wow. That went fast.

His lawyer filed an appeal today.

CASAREZ: I know. It is.

BEHAR: What happened with that? What is his appeal going to do?

CASAREZ: That was the first thing today; 8:15 in the morning he filed that appeal with the superior court the second instance. But he is saying, no, the rights of Joran Van Der Sloot were violated. I`m going to go forward.

Now, here`s what happens. The superior court will rule on the appeal. If he doesn`t go what he wants, he`s going to the supreme court of Peru, he says. If that doesn`t work, he says he`s going to Costa Rica and that will involve a lot.

But first, there is a tribunal that has to agree that there`s been a violation by Peru of the rights of Joran Van Der Sloot. If they find that, he will go to this inter-America court in Costa Rica but that takes three years. Ok. That`s a long process.

BEHAR: I see. On another point, this kid Van Der Sloot, has said he wants a million dollars for a jail house interview. We have in this country, the "Son of Sam" law where you cannot really profit from your crime. Is there such a thing there?

CASAREZ: You better believe there is. First thing, when I heard about this interview, he wanted money. And as I think I told you it`s about $5,000 around here, was the quote. But I went to an attorney and you better believe it, here in Peru you cannot profit off someone that has been convicted of a crime.

Now he`s not convicted yet. So Joy, if he gets the money now, the attorney for the family, believe me they`re watching it and they`re going want to see where those funds go because they`re not going to allow that to happen.

BEHAR: Good, good.

You spoke also to the victim, Stephany Flores` close friends last night. What did you find out from them?

CASAREZ: Well, Joy, it would take me an hour to tell you everything I found out. But there were so many tears and they laughed and they -- they wanted though to talk about her. They said she was really intelligent. That she was so good with numbers, which probably led her to being a successful gambler.

She said she wanted to be a business woman in Lima. And that she had written down 23 businesses that she wanted to own and operate succeed at. And she would go through her list almost daily saying, I`m going to do this and I`m going to do that. They said that although she was an extrovert in many respects, she was also very shy and quiet.

They don`t think she had a chance in that hotel room. They don`t think she had a chance to fight back. They do not believe that they went there to play online poker, not for a second.

And most of all, they told me that she was adamant against drugs. She didn`t want to be around it. So amphetamines in her system, they highly question that.

BEHAR: Ok. Thanks very much Jean.

Up next, i`ll take a look at some crazy diets that celebs like Jessica Simpson and Gwyneth Paltrow swear by and find out if they do more harm than good.

Stay tuned.


BEHAR: Women in Hollywood will do almost anything to stay skinny. Some will only eat things without a face. Others won`t eat anything with eyes. Still others won`t eat anything with four legs. So what`s left a two-legged blind potato? Now which crazy celebrity diets really work? That`s the question. Which don`t and which can really hurt you? Here to discuss are Tracy Anderson, fitness expert, whose clients includes include Gwyneth Paltrow and Courteney Cox. And she is also the author of "30-Day Method." Keri Glassman, registered dietitian and women health`s contributor. And Dawn Yanek, Editor-At-Large for "Life And Style Weekly." OK ladies, first of all Tracy, you work with Gwyneth. And she is on - supposedly, this is the information I have -- a strict macrobiotic diet and a heavy exercise regime for many years and she`s been diagnosed with osteopenia. Tell me about it.

TRACY ANDERSON, FITNESS EXPERT: OK well first of all, I think the part that`s most hilarious to me is the macrobiotic. She hasn`t been macrobiotic for five years. In fact I love to eat more than anything. And she is my favorite person to eat with. She`s an amazing chef. She doesn`t cut off food groups. In fact, stinky cheese on the best bread in the world is one of her favorite snacks. So I mean she`s not macrobiotic.

BEHAR: So she eating dairy.

ANDERSON: Yes, she eats. You know it`s interesting -

BEHAR: But it`s very unusual for a 37-year-old girl to have osteopenia.

ANDERSON: Well you know and there are many cultures like you know in Japan that are not heavy into dairy. And you know they don`t have any, you know, any kind of vitamin d deficiencies. She - you know, people have that for many different reasons. But it`s not from her food.

BEHAR: What`s it from, is it genetic?

ANDERSON: I think a lot is genetic. You know I mean she breaks things easily and so does her mom.

BEHAR: Well I was reading something different. But I guess you know better because you train her. Although she`s not --

ANDERSON: I train her and she`s also my partner and one of my dearest friends.

BEHAR: What do you mean she`s your partner?

ANDERSON: Well she`s a partner in my gyms and DVDs and everything. So because when she first started this with me she loved it so much. She`s the kind of girl that`s like, every woman has to have this solution.

BEHAR: I see.

ANDERSON: So we do it together.

BEHAR: But she took a break to have kids and follows a less intense version now. But she still doesn`t eat a lot of dairy. They`re saying because you don`t eat dairy, you can`t -- the vitamin d deficiency disallows you from absorbing calcium into your bones. She should be eating more dairy. How about some yogurt?

ANDERSON: Well she`s getting some sun. She`s not opposed to dairy. She does eat dairy though.

BEHAR: I don`t think the sun will do the calcium thing -

ANDERSON: She does eat dairy though.

BEHAR: OK, listen, her doctor --

ANDERSON: But she does exercise six days a week.

BEHAR: Well how many hours a day?

ANDERSON: Well, I believe in exercising every day obviously. And she does a minimum of 45 minutes six days a week. But if we can get a full workout in, we do you know 40 minute of muscular work and 40 minutes of aerobics.

BEHAR: Why what can`t I get addicted to exercise?

ANDERSON: I can get you addicted. The results - it`s because the results aren`t there.

BEHAR: The only exercise I like is horseback riding because you can sit.

ANDERSON: That`s not -- you`re going to bulk your thighs up. You`re hilarious.

DAWN YANEK, EDITOR-AT LARGE, LIFE & STYLE WEEKLY: We have to find something you enjoy doing.

ANDERSON: -- results.

BEHAR: All right now Jessica Simpson is another one. Dawn we`ll see what you have to say. She shocked her system with a vegan diet, Chinese tea and cupping. What is cupping is that like leaches?

YANEK: It is when you, I think glue your back to a heated cup and it pulls toxins out of your body. A lot of celebrities kind of jump on that trend a few years ago. I mean I think the thing that we see time and time again at Life And Style Weekly is that celebrities and regular people want things. And they want them immediately. Now there`s a super healthy way, of course, to have a vegan diet. But whether or not Jessica is following that, I think that`s what`s up for debate. And then you see a lot of young girls looking at this and saying, oh wait, maybe I should jump on this bandwagon too. And maybe they aren`t getting all the information.

BEHAR: Right, I see it could be dangerous to blindly follow it.

YANEK: Oh absolutely.

BEHAR: Yes, very bad. Now you developed Tracy - is it Tracy.


BEHAR: I`m sorry, Tracy, is the one who developed the baby food diet. Now what is up with that?

ANDERSON: The baby food diet. First of all, I`m doing a lot for the baby food industry, apparently people are running out and buying jars of baby food. It`s not baby food. It`s that I don`t believe in liquid cleanses. And I saw women who want quick results.

BEHAR: Well what is the baby foot diet?

ANDERSON: OK well, I take a lot of nutrients, you know, that you can -- in a consumable portion. And instead of purifying it, so that you don`t get that -- not purifying it, juicing it, so you don`t get the you know, the digestive benefits, the fiber and everything, I just puree down to you know a consumable.

BEHAR: That`s baby food.

ANDERSON: It`s not baby food.

BEHAR: If you take a t-bone steak and you put it in the blender and you puree it. And you don`t have to have teeth to eat it, that is baby food.

ANDERSON: Well possibly. I guess but I`m telling you, that you get to eat 14 times a day. You get to eat chocolate on it. It`s not baby food though.

BEHAR: Wait, waiting wait. Go ahead. Let me ask Keri. Isn`t that dangerous also to have? Who would eat that?

YANEK: All of these plans whether it`s the baby food, or macrobiotic or vegan, they are plans that can be extreme and unhealthy. Or they can all be healthy. And what it comes down to, whatever lifestyle you are living, whether you`re vegan or whether you are macrobiotic, whatever type of plan you are doing, you need to do it in a responsible way. There are obviously some things out there like the master cleanse or some very extreme plans that are healthy for no one. But there are many life styles out there that when you are a responsible vegan and when you are - and when you do live certain life styles in a responsible way, where you are diligent, or you do make sure you get in all the different nutrients and or supplement with other with vitamins and minerals, when needed, you can be extremely healthy on many of these types of lifestyles.

BEHAR: But who would want a diet of baby -- of pureed food all day long?

ANDERSON: Well when you -- sorry.

YANEK: I was going --

BEHAR: Jump in, that`s all right. You girls need to pretend you`re on THE VIEW. Just jump in.

YANEK: When people -- some of the reason why people did it I think, sometimes if I want to - some people they have tried to do it because, OK, let me just eat these little portions throughout the day. It becomes just a matter of portion control. You can lose weight through portion control. Eating anything, whether it`s unhealthy or healthy.

BEHAR: So why do celebrities do that - why do they have to do cupping and --


YANEK: You`re trying to get yourself into what works for you. The problem is it`s a fad in the end. And really, you have to eat less, move more. That`s the bottom line. When you do that, you lose weight. But when you do fad diets, you lose inches really quickly. Things like the master cleanse, you know there are no nutrients in that.


ANDERSON: It`s ridiculous.


YANEK: Lemon juice -- water --

BEHAR: According to what I understand it`s maple syrup, lemon, water, and cayenne pepper. That made me jump out of my brazier. Cayenne pepper and maple syrup. Yummy.


YANEK: You can probably last one hour on that.

KERI GLASSMAN, CONTRIBUTOR, WOMEN`S HEALTH: Beyonce lost about 20 pounds for her role in "Dream Girls." -- on the master cleanse.

YANEK: And that became really popular, obviously there is not enough calories, there`s not any - there`s no protein, there is no healthy fat, no vitamins and minerals.

ANDERSON: And when you watch a celebrity like that lose weight for a role and then you watch them bounce back and gain twice as much, it`s exactly why you know I came up with this cleanse. People need to get unhealthy weight off but it`s got to be sustainable.

BEHAR: Right.

GLASSMAN: And if you can`t stigmatize yourself into I`m never eating bread again. Then you develop allergies to that. The second you have bread, then you have bread face. You know it`s not OK to do that.

BEHAR: I want to talk about allergies, food allergies, these alleged food allergies. I think that some people are tricking themselves into thinking they have a food allergy to lose weight? All of a sudden, everybody has a disease.


YANEK: Absolutely - everybody wants to be diary free. I can`t eat wheat and I can`t eat dairy. There are some people out there that actually it is not great for them.


YANEK: But many people -

BEHAR: Every nutritionist, if you go to them for consultation, they`ll say you`re allergic to wheat.

YANEK: I do not tell that to anybody unless they are truly allergic. I tell them chances are you are not allergic. I actually tell them, chances are you are absolutely not allergic to that, you probably, when you eat three loaves of bread, yes, you are going to gain weight and it`s not really good for your stomach.

BEHAR: OK, the cleanse is unhealthy, you will gain it all back.


YANEK: Usually you will gain back more actually. Yes people do through diet -


GLASSMAN: It`s a shock to your system. That`s what Jessica Simpson is talking about.

BEHAR: It`s a shock to your system.


YANEK: Well what happens is usually when you go extremely low calories, then when your body gains weight back, you gain back actually more weight and you gain back more fat. You lose lean muscle mass and then gain back more.

GLASSMAN: It`s true, it`s true.

YANEK: It`s harder to lose the next time around because you have more muscle mass burns less calories then you`re lean body mass.

BEHAR: I see, and isn`t that true also of exercise? like you keep doing 45 minute a day. Now she goes into menopause, Gwyneth, let`s say, and she can`t keep that going.

ANDERSON: That`s why I developed - what I did is I`ve spent 11 years developing, I own 3,000 moves. And the largest bank of content in fitness ever.

BEHAR: You own 3,000 moves?

ANDERSON: I created them all originally.

BEHAR: I didn`t know you could copyright a move.

ANDERSON: You can copyright a method. But the reason why I came up with it was because in fitness that`s why women trend hop. That`s why they diet hop. Because you`ll notice something in the beginning because you are doing something different and then all of sudden, you plateau.

BEHAR: Right.

ANDERSON: So you go to the next trend until all those trends have different outcomes. And the reason why is because the small muscle groups they are the key. But they get smart fast, strong fast and stupid fast. So I knew I needed an enormous bank of content with the same outcome to change people.

BEHAR: OK let`s go to Jennifer Hudson and Snooki. Snooki is on the cookie diet, either that or cookie`s on the Snookie diet, we are not sure. But how about the cookie diet?

YANEK: The absolute most ridiculous thing. I mean that really is, just, again, all that is portion control. But now you`re using a food that`s not even a whole real food to lose weight. You are better -- obviously you could have portion control of broccoli, you could have portion control of a nice round great proportioned meals of broccoli, some salmon and a sweet potato and lose weight as well. It`s just an easy quick fix way for people to honestly put no work into it and just control portions.

BEHAR: Right.

YANEK: And then what happens is it is not sustainable. And then you are going to gain more weight back. And it`s all a big package -- I think the ingredient list is a book long. If the ingredient list look like this, it`s a big problem.

GLASSMAN: And I don`t think we should be taking diet advice from Snooki, or any advice for that matter. They are probably in a bad place.

BEHAR: Exactly.


BEHAR: I like the parasite diet. I enjoy that. You can eat your entire lawyer. OK ladies, thank you. Body conscious discussion continues next when I`ll talk to the star of a new show about overweight teens, Nikki Blonsky will be here, stick around, from one extreme to the other.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They don`t let you do the picture with clothes on.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh my god. I never would have guessed that. Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know, this could be a nice summer to gain weight.


BEHAR: Well first HBO gave us "Hung." and now ABC family gives us "HUGE." puts them together, it sounds like a fabulous weekend. "HUGE" is about teenagers in a fat camp. And I`m glad to have the star of this show, Nikki Blonsky. Hi Nikki.

NIKKI BLONSKY, ACTRESS: Hi Joy, how are you?

BEHAR: OK, you know what, I`m good. If there are even plus-sized characters on television, it`s usually one, just the best friend. This show has a plethora of plus-sized kids in it.

BLONSKY: Absolutely, the whole cast, we are all plus size.

BEHAR: There`s something, you know, interesting about that and ground-breaking in many ways.

BLONSKY: Absolutely. I think it`s the most ground-breaking series on television. Because I think it`s making TV history is what it`s doing. Because ABC family, I truly commend them because no other network has ever done a show with a full plus-sized cast and said we are going to take this on. Because for so long the media has just pushed out the size zero, you know.

BEHAR: Oh I know.

BLONSKY: I think it`s affected the youth in a certain manner.

BEHAR: You know, there`s nothing less funny than a skinny bitch. My opinion.

BLONSKY: I agree. I agree. Who needs them?

BEHAR: It`s not funny. Now the show is called "HUGE." you`re in a fat camp. The words are a little bit, you know, volatile. Would you prefer more political me correct language or do you -- how do you feel about the word "fat" for example?

BLONSKY: You know it doesn`t faze me. We as a show would prefer a fitness camp or, you know, a weight loss camp. You know, I`m not going to sit here and ask people to call it a weight loss retreat. You know, it`s certainly not a retreat. It`s camp, you know. But it is what it is. And you know, that`s a word that`s been around this country for years. And it`s not going to go away no matter how many times people say fitness, you know. So it doesn`t offend me in the least.

BEHAR: Right, it`s like queer. The gay community has taken queer back and it`s lost all of its power. So fat should be like that maybe.

BLONSKY: You never know. Everybody is different with their opinion. Just I know to me, it really doesn`t faze me if somebody goes, oh, you`re fat. Well tell me something I don`t know. You know.

BEHAR: Now you know, I`ve been to Los Angeles. I spent a year there one weekend -- no, seriously, I was --

BLONSKY: It feels like a year when you`re there.

BEHAR: Sometimes well if you`re not skinny, it feels like a year. If you don`t like the sun, it feels like a decade.

BLONSKY: You are running out of things to do.

BEHAR: It`s a difficult place for people who like New York. But anyway, I did not see a lot of overweight actors. Mostly when I went up for jobs, there were either, you know, regular size or skinny. Where do they find all these overweight actors? Are they out there?

BLONSKY: Yes. It`s -- my thing is, I think talent is everywhere. Talent is in middle schools, in high schools right now. All over the country. And they`re going to be the future stars of the generation. And we don`t even know it.

BEHAR: You know that`s an interesting thing you said. That talent is everywhere. Because you know "AMERICAN IDOL" is now lowering the age -- it`s just Bieber`s world now.

BLONSKY: We`re in Bieber world.

BEHAR: We`re in Bieber world.


BEHAR: And because they said they have trouble -- they`re having trouble finding talent in that age bracket they have set up for themselves. So they`re lowering the age. But do you think that`s true? Or is it they`re looking for, you know, a certain look as well as the talent? And maybe that`s what minimizes the talent pool?

BLONSKY: Well, I think the talent pool -- I think it`s very -- it can be very divided. Because when you have, you know, the teen/tween era, you know they`re looking for the Justin Biebers, they`re looking for the younger guy singer. You know and they`re not going to take a Justin Timberlake who is now close to 30. So I think they`re going to go for -- that`s why I think "AMERICAN IDOL" lowered their age bracket. Because they`re looking for more tween stars to fill Miley Cyrus` shoes as she grows up and does her thing and isn`t so --

BEHAR: And flashes her underwear.

BLONSKY: Right exactly, does wonderful things like that to please America.

BEHAR: Yes and to segue into her next stage, right? Isn`t that what she? Yes

BLONSKY: I guess so, I mean I never thought of growing up, you know, oh I should flash my underwear at the paparazzi. But you know, I just, you know, had a glass of wine when I turned 21. That was my ground-breaking moment.

BEHAR: Yes, I mean at this point, it`s a non - if Betty White did it then you have something, you know what I mean?

BLONSKY: Right, yes, that would be interesting.

BEHAR: Yes but anyway, the other thing about you and your career right now is this ad they took out for "HUGE." do we have a picture of that ad? Can we show it, there you are. You look like you`re cold, first of all. Are you freezing? What, are you in Alaska?

BLONSKY: Well, I actually was on a set. We were shooting those pictures at, like, 7:00 in the morning. And that was one of the first pictures we took. And he was, like, look like you`re nervous. And I was like, I`m not nervous about anything. I`m standing here in a bathing suit in front of like 50 men. I`m like, I`m not nervous, you know.

BEHAR: But did you have any qualms posing like that?

BLONSKY: Not at all.

BEHAR: You didn`t?

BLONSKY: I didn`t.

BEHAR: Just, I give you a lot of credit. Most girls would not be able to do it.

BLONSKY: Thank you. I just decided, you know, it was the whole cast was there. And it was the first day we were all really working together. And all the boys were there. They said, Nikki, what are you wearing for this photo right now? And I just went, this. They said, that`s a pretty color, you know. I said, this is it. This is me. Take it or leave it.

BEHAR: What did your family do to give you such high self esteem? What did they do?

BLONSKY: Ever since I was a little kid, I remember two years old, hearing my parents say, you`re a beautiful little girl. The word weight never was a huge issue. It never defined me as a person. It was, I am who I am. I was funny to them. I was sweet to them. I was their baby girl.

BEHAR: Well you know I heard that too, but then I got a copy of glamour magazine and put my head in the oven. OK more with Nikki Blonsky in just a minute. She has higher self esteem than anybody I`ve ever met.

NANCY GRACE, HLN ANCHOR: I object to you changing the channel. Nancy Grace, next.


BEHAR: I`m back with the lovely star of "HUGE" Nikki Blonsky. You know Nikki, Amanda Bynes, you know her.

BLONSKY: Oh yes, we were in "Hairspary" together --

BEHAR: That`s right, she is so good in that film too. And she`s retiring at the age of 24. What possessed her to retire, do you know?

BLONSKY: I have no idea. I haven`t gotten a hold of her. But I just told her, you know I left a message and said, I wish you the best. I love you to death, I will be your friends forever and call me if you need anything.

BEHAR: Do you think she means it?

BLONSKY: You know Jay-z said he was retiring too. Now he`s singing or rapping at the B.E.T. awards. So --

BEHAR: Nobody was exactly talking about Amanda Bynes until she said she was going to retire. It`s not a stupid idea.

BLONSKY: It`s not a stupid idea. It could have been a publicity move to get attention. I`m not going to -- I`m not bashing her. She`s one of my dearest friends. It could have been a ploy to get publicity.

BEHAR: Talk about publicity moves. What about Lady Gaga at the Mets game, giving the finger?

BLONSKY: Yes. I`m glad they`re not letting her back in Citi field or Yankee stadium where I know she was.

BEHAR: Is it Citi field? They`re not letting her back.

BLONSKY: Yes, it is Citi field, they`re not letting her back. She`s banned. And I think that`s pretty bad. I`m sure they`ve seen some drunken people and really bad scenes. But when you get kicked out of Citi field, I mean, that`s intense.

BEHAR: Yes, I know, really, vomiting from the bleachers right on to the baseball players. Those can come back.

BLONSKY: Those people get kicked out. She was flipping them off, giving them the bird, as we say on long island. She -- you know, she says, why is everybody looking at me? Well, who else is at the baseball game in a bra and a thong?

BEHAR: Hello! Hello!

BLONSKY: I`m not. Are you, Joy? No, I`m not. So if we were there, I`m sure, you know, we would have been left alone. But, you know.

BEHAR: She wants attention.

BLONSKY: Exactly.

BEHAR: And she gets it. But she`s a talented girl.

BLONSKY: She`s very talented. I love her music.

BEHAR: She`s good. Before we go, I want to get back to your show a little bit. I think it`s going to be a big hit, your show.

BLONSKY: Thank you.

BEHAR: It seems to be getting very good buzz. I like the overweight girls to be getting jobs. Now, like -- what`s her name, Gabourey Sidibe?


BEHAR: She`s another one that seems to have a show even though she`s a heavy girl, is there a trend going on here?

BLONSKY: I don`t think there`s a trend as much as people are recognizing talent. And people are saying, you know what, it doesn`t matter anymore what people look like. We want to put real talent out there for kids to see.

BEHAR: But you know something, may I use the word fat?


BEHAR: Fat guys always worked. John Goodman -

BLONSKY: Absolutely.

BEHAR: All the couple of guys -- Chris Farley. All these guys, comedians mostly, I guess.


BEHAR: They are funny guys. But John Goodman is a dramatic actor. How come they always seem to get jobs but the girls can`t?

BLONSKY: Well I think it was up until now that it was just -- we were always, like I said, the best friend or the funny cameo and then leave. I think now, you know, for me, "Hairspray" was such a breakthrough. To say here, I`m huge, and I`m staying.

BEHAR: Good girl, good girl, Nikki, thanks so much for joining me.

BLONSKY: Thank you back.

BEHAR: You`re really a delightful girl. "HUGE" airs at Mondays at 9:00 p.m. on ABC family. Watch it. Goodnight, everybody.