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Aired July 02, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tonight on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, Tiger Woods reportedly agrees to fork over $750 million in a divorce deal with his estranged wife Elin. Also in the purported agreement, Tiger is banned from bringing any new arm candy near his kids.
And a masseuse claiming she was sexually assaulted by Vice President Al Gore in 2006 speaks out. But as cops reopen the investigation, it`s still deny, deny, deny from Camp Gore.
Plus, as Mel Gibson baby mama flings accusations that the superstar hit her, Gibson reportedly seeks guidance from the leader of his own mega- church.
All that and more starting right now.
JOY BEHAR, HOST: The bitter legal battle between Mel Gibson and his ex-girlfriend just got a whole lot uglier. Oksana Grigorieva caught an enraged Gibson on tape during an argument making racist comments. We haven`t heard the audio, but here`s part of what he allegedly said.
He said, "You`re an embarrassment to me you look like a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) pig in heat and if you get raped by a pack of n-word, it will be your fault." How charming can he get?
Here to discuss this and some other stories from the week that was, are Elayne Boosler, comedian and founder of Tales of Joy, nice that you wrote a book about me, that was sweet of you Elayne; Joe Levy, editor in chief of "Maxim" and Ereka Vetrini, "In Touch" magazine contributor and pop culture expert.
Ok. Now, we already know that he`s an anti-Semite. But now how shocking are these comments?
ELAYNE BOOSLER, COMEDIAN: I just don`t think he`s a people person.
JOE LEVY, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, "MAXIM": And apparently not a pig person either. What`s up with the pigs?
BEHAR: Oh, boy.
BOOSLER: What chance did she have in Russia? It was, you know, marry him or win an Olympic gold medal. That`s all they get there.
BEHAR: That`s true.
EREKA VETRINI, POP CULTURE EXPERT: You know what? I was looking at pictures of him recently and he looks as bad as he is. He is a pig and he looks like a pig. I remember the days when I used to kind of like drool over Mel Gibson. And now, it`s like coming out of him, all this anger.
BEHAR: You want to hear more?
VETRINI: Let`s.
BEHAR: He says -- this is really a good one -- "How dare you act like such a bitch when I have been so (EXPLETIVE DELETED) nice."
He`s all heart, the guy.
BOOSLER: I`m (EXPLETIVE DELETED) of the earth.
BEHAR: I am going to come and burn the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) house down, but you will blow me first. What happened to please?
VETRINI: You will blow me first.
BOOSLER: What happened to dinner?
BEHAR: Ok. Now how damaging will these be in court?
LEVY: In court? I think it`s the court of public opinion. You actually thought we couldn`t think less of him and now a little less. I`m feeling a little less.
BOOSLER: A little less?
BEHAR: Go ahead.
VETRINI: Oh, my favorite statement was when his rep said, but I didn`t knock out her tooth. I knocked out her veneer. That`s so Hollywood, right?
BEHAR: That is so great. I love that.
LEVY: First, he just alienated all the Jews, but now also women and people of color. So there`s nobody left.
BEHAR: He must have really hated Sammy Davis Jr. Oh, my gosh.
BOOSLER: Triple threat. First of all he knocked out his own veneer, frankly. That`s number one. Number two, he only did he because he thought she was a cop. And number three --
BEHAR: Remember he called the other cop (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
VETRINI: What? I didn`t hear that..
BEHAR: Oh, yes. He hates everything.
LEVY: But that`s a compliment. That`s a compliment.
VETRINI: This is chemical imbalance now. This is like borderline.
BEHAR: You know, it is not chemical imbalance. It`s just evil, evil, evil.
BOOSLER: You know what he needs to do?
BEHAR: What. What does he need to do?
BOOSLER: He should see a movie called "The Passion of the Christ".
BEHAR: Yes, right. He should emulate "The Passion of the Christ".
BOOSLER: Which the new movie is the "Passion of the Beaver" that he`s making with Jodie Foster.
BEHAR: Yes, that`s true. I`ve heard that. Is his career over for good or what?
BOOSLER: No, no.
LEVY: Really? Tell us what`s the comeback from this?
BOOSLER: There`s only one person whose career is ever over in Hollywood and that`s me. He`s going to be fine.
VETRINI: Ok. (INAUDIBLE) they`re going to drill her into the ground. As always, she doesn`t have the representation. They`re going to beat her up so that her comments aren`t really valid, blah, blah, blah -- she said, whatever. It`s going to be back and forth.
BEHAR: But they do have a child. So, this could impact the custody.
BOOSLER: And he also used the C word, he called her a "Chechen", which is terrible for a Russian.
BEHAR: Ok. Now there are reports that Tiger Woods -- another beauty -- will pay his wife Elin as much as $750 million in their divorce settlement. This is the second most expensive celebrity divorce in history.
Rupert Murdoch finished first and Michael Jordan took the bronze is how it goes. So what do you think about that, that settlement of $750 million?
BOOSLER: Why don`t they shop around? I would have divorced him for $600 million.
BEHAR: Exactly. I say he can screw whatever he wants, just give me that cash.
BOOSLER: Absolutely. Do you know he`s my idol?
BEHAR: Why?
BOOSLER: Because, listen to this, every woman who a guy cheats on thinks it`s her. I`m not pretty enough. I`m too heavy.
He had the dream. He had the Swedish model and that wasn`t good enough; the Swedish model. He showed it is not me. It`s you. It`s him.
BEHAR: That`s true.
BOOSLER: I felt like --
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LEVY: I am married to a Swedish woman. And the reason for the money, socialized medicine over there is so good that that money is just barely going to cover health care in the U.S. for her. I think that`s what it`s all about.
BEHAR: It`s really worth double there because you don`t have to pay for anything in Sweden. The kids go to school for free, the health care is free. I mean it`s really a good bargain.
VETRINI: But she`s stuck here with the kids.
(CROSS TALKING)
LEVY: Yes, she can`t go back over there.
BEHAR: I don`t know. She has custody.
LEVY: She has custody, but it looks like he wants to -- we don`t really know the details of the settlement, but it looks like part of the agreement is that she stay here rather than moving back there permanently. And I`ve spent some time in the winter there. So that`s going to work out well for her.
BOOSLER: You know it`s a lot of money in Canada.
BEHAR: Now that the dollar is stronger there again.
VETRINI: I`m just happy that for the first time, men are -- men don`t always care about custody of the children. They don`t, sadly. They don`t always care about their image. But their money, they care about. Maybe men will listen now and be a little bit forewarned.
LEVY: No, that`s not going to happen. Men are still going to do stupid things like this. We`re so good at --
BOOSLER: But it`s not us. It`s them. He proved it. I`m so happy.
BEHAR: Yes, I know. It`s a great thing.
BOOSLER: A Swedish model.
BEHAR: Because she`s getting this money, she`s not allowed to -- ever do interviews about him and spill the beans on anything else even after he`s dead.
BOOSLER: There are no beans left.
BEHAR: I know. Well, that`s the question. Are there any more beans left?
BOOSLER: There are no beans.
VETRINI: Yes.
LEVY: I don`t know. He was involved with a lot of women. He may have actually gotten all the beans out.
BEHAR: I`m not sure.
VETRINI: No, I don`t think so. She lived with him. She knows the real Tiger. And I mean we`ve gotten glimpses of it. But I`m sure she`s got some goods. I think that I would lose all the money. There`s no way I could keep a tight lip. She`s got -- I would say -- everything.
BEHAR: No, you wouldn`t. Not for that kind of money. You would be like a little clam.
BOOSLER: Do you think she even wants to talk about him?
LEVY: I think that`s probably exactly right. Here`s the amazing thing. She was ready to settle for $500 million, then they found out he was worth a lot more than a billion dollars. That`s the amazing thing. He`s got a couple of billion.
BEHAR: For putting balls in holes. That`s it. That`s what he does.
LEVY: That`s how he got into trouble is what you`re saying.
BEHAR: Well, sort of. Another thing is he can`t bring any girlfriends home to meet the children until he`s married. That`s one of the things I was reading.
BOOSLER: Well, the women he was with are really the type you do want to bring home to meet your family.
BEHAR: Yes. But I mean shouldn`t the kids maybe meet these skanks before he marries them?
BOOSLER: No, he`s not going to marry them.
BEHAR: If he decides to get married again.
LEVY: That`s going to be the greatest episode of life with Tiger ever; introducing the kids to my new lady friend.
BEHAR: All right. Now, we have another beauty in the news. Finally Portland police are reopening the investigation into allegations that Al Gore groped a masseuse in his Oregon hotel room. Gore denies it. But the masseuse is now telling the "Enquirer" that she has evidence in the form of stained pair pants and a half eaten chocolate bar. Who eats during a massage? That is what I want to know.
BOOSLER: I want to know whose pants doesn`t finish a chocolate bar? But I will say if Congress would just extend unemployment benefits, people would be able to afford to have their clothes dry-cleaned.
BEHAR: What is it with Gore? Do you think he actually did this?
LEVY: I don`t know. The most amazing detail out of all this, you know the name he was registered at this hotel?
BOOSLER: Bill Clinton.
LEVY: No. Mr. Stone. He registered as Mr. Stone. Even he knows that his personality is like --
BEHAR: It`s better than Mr. Wood, I guess.
BOOSLER: I also heard that --
LEVY: That probably would have tipped off the masseuse.
BOOSLER: I heard that this masseuse also has King Tut`s penis, so I don`t know.
BEHAR: Oh, really. How do you like that?
This woman -- her name is Molly Haggerty. She reportedly asked for $1 million from the "Enquirer" for her interview. Doesn`t that make her claim suspicious?
BOOSLER: Who does she think she is, Joran Van Der Sloot?
BEHAR: Exactly.
VETRINI: She waited two months before she reported to the police.
BOOSLER: Four years ago.
VETRINI: Yes, four years ago. She had the DNA or the pants evaluated and it was inconclusive. I mean give me a break.
BEHAR: But she waited all this time. It`s very interesting. After he announces that he and the tipster, that they`re splitting, then all of a sudden this comes out. Does that seem suspicious in any way?
LEVY: Yes. It actually does. Although this story apparently has been around. A reporter from one of the Portland papers uncovered it several years ago and the paper decided not to go with it because the police had closed the investigation. So it does seem suspicious.
BOOSLER: She came forward now because she wants to finish the chocolate bar.
BEHAR: That must be it.
VETRINI: I want to know why they opened the case.
BEHAR: This is a continuing story. I`m not sure that it`s true. I`ll tell you. I`m an Al Gore fan. We all like him.
BOOSLER: I`m a fan.
BEHAR: If this is true, boy, I have no faith in anybody any more.
LEVY: I don`t want to see that happen.
BEHAR: Thanks, everybody. Be sure to check out elayneboosler.com to see where she`s performing next.
We`ll be back in a minute.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I thought, "What? I`m pregnant? No way."
I was not getting a period still. So I took two pregnancy tests and they both resulted negative. And I, as a scientist, just depended on those results and said, "It`s negative. That`s right there." But then I was like, "Oh, my gosh, what could this be in my stomach?"
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: That was a clip from the TLC show, "I didn`t know I was Pregnant" and guess what the show is about? How does a woman carry a baby to full term and not realize she`s pregnant until she`s practically giving birth?
Here now to discuss this are Dr. Marc Kalan, a fertility specialist; Ca Sondra Gutierrez, a teacher`s aide who gave birth to her daughter in her parents` bathroom; and Jennifer Lynes, a microbiologist who thought the bump in her belly was a tumor.
Ca Sondra, let`s start with your story. Tell me what happened and when you found out you were pregnant.
CA SONDRA GUTIERREZ, FEATURED ON "I DIDN`T KNOW I WAS PREGNANT": Well, I actually found out the day I was giving birth to my son. I -- I don`t know how this could happen. I mean, I was at home, I was feeling sick. I had cramps. They were just really bad. And I thought I was just going to start my menstrual cycle. And I go into the bathroom and 5:30 in the morning, I`m having my son.
BEHAR: In the bathroom?
GUTIERREZ: In the bathroom.
BEHAR: Well, at what point did you actually realize a baby is coming out of my body?
GUTIERREZ: I actually thought it was a tumor. In my parents` bathroom we have mirrors all over. And so I actually thought it was a tumor that I was having, when I saw that he was starting to crown, I`ve seen black and it was his hair, but at the moment, I didn`t know it was his hair.
I still was convinced it was a tumor. I was passing a tumor but --
BEHAR: I see. I don`t --
GUTIERREZ: The second his head came out, that`s when I knew.
BEHAR: I`m not sure that that`s medically possible to pass a tumor. I don`t know if it comes out of you.
But anyway --
GUTIERREZ: I didn`t know that.
BEHAR: -- you didn`t know.
GUTIERREZ: Yes, I don`t know either.
BEHAR: Yes, all right, but then you -- the baby then -- I believe I heard with -- I read in the research that the baby went into the toilet. You dropped the baby into the toilet.
GUTIERREZ: Yes what happened --
BEHAR: What happened then?
GUTIERREZ: -- what happened was when I delivered him, I was really weak and I couldn`t -- I knew I could not carry him to my mom. So I ripped the umbilical cord apart from me and I went and got my mom. I knew it was not physically possible that -- for me to carry him.
And so I did what I thought was best for him and I placed him in the toilet which had just a little bit of water and I went and got my mom.
BEHAR: Why didn`t you put him on a towel? Why would you put him in the toilet? I mean, he could have drowned, you know?
GUTIERREZ: We -- well, there was only a little bit of water. I was scared that he would fall -- or I mean, like roll around.
BEHAR: Yes.
GUTIERREZ: And I -- I`ve -- yes.
BEHAR: You`re smiling and laughing because why? Why -- why do you -- you seem to be bemused by this.
GUTIERREZ: Well, because it`s just -- I feel like it`s a miracle that nothing honestly really bad happened to him. I mean, I was a school teacher. And I was outside. I was playing with my -- my kids. I was doing everything I shouldn`t have. I would play soccer with them, kick ball. And he turned out fine.
BEHAR: So I`m happy for you. You know, that`s good -- that`s the good news.
Jennifer, tell me -- your story is a little different. What`s your story?
JENNIFER LYNES, FEATURED ON "I DIDN`T KNOW I WAS PREGNANT": My story is I had complained to my doctor because I couldn`t sleep on my stomach because I thought I had something going on. I took a couple of tests and the tests were negative.
So when I told them I couldn`t sleep on my stomach, he felt my stomach and could feel that something wasn`t right and scheduled an ultrasound. So I found out the day after Christmas, and then she was born three days later.
BEHAR: So -- so prior to that, you had no concept that something actually was growing inside your body?
LYNES: No concept at all, because I was actually a lot heavier person. And I think that when you`re a heavier person, you tend to not notice changes in your body and different placements of your body and in of itself. I didn`t even go up any clothes sizes or anything along those lines. I felt fine. I was working two jobs, playing softball, working out.
I was doing all kinds of stuff that any normal person would do.
BEHAR: Didn`t you feel the baby kicking or anything like that?
LYNES: Absolutely none. And I even questioned the several people that I knew were pregnant and said, well, how does it feel? What does it feel like? Would you really know? They said, oh, yes, you`ll know, you`ll know.
BEHAR: Wow.
LYNES: And I didn`t feel anything.
BEHAR: So you got weight gain, but you ignored that.
LYNES: Right. And I only gained it near the end --
BEHAR: What about the missed periods, both of you, what about your missed menstrual cycle? What happened there Ca Sondra.
GUTIERREZ: I didn`t miss periods. I had my period the whole time.
BEHAR: Really?
GUTIERREZ: So I didn`t know, yes.
BEHAR: Wow.
LYNES: I had missed mine --
BEHAR: That`s interesting, you missed yours.
LYNES: -- I had missed mine for several months.
BEHAR: So what did you think? Yes.
LYNES: And when I called the doctors and explained that, I switched to the birth control pill earlier that year. And then by October I had stopped getting a period. And when I explained it, they said, oh, you`re just one of those people that doesn`t get a period.
BEHAR: I see.
Doctor, let me go to you. With all due respect to these ladies, these stories sounds -- these stories sounds a little wacky. How could it be that a woman is pregnant for nine months, there`s something in there growing, a human being, and not know it? Tell me.
DR. MARC KALAN, FERTILITY SPECIALIST: Well, it`s -- it`s extraordinary. There`s no question. I mean, there`s -- this is -- this happens very, very rarely. There`s four million babies born were born in the United States last year and this happened a handful of times.
But the way that it happens is that pregnancy is variable from woman to woman and from pregnancy to pregnancy. And so all of these signs and symptoms we traditionally associate with it whether it`s nausea or weight gain or feeling the baby moving or missing periods, if a compilation of events occurs where maybe there isn`t as much weight gain or you had irregular period and you don`t expect to get your period back or you don`t -- you don`t know what babies moving feels like and you don`t really expect to get pregnant, you know, it can happen.
And clearly it has.
BEHAR: So and neither one of you went for a routine checkup in the nine months that you were pregnant.
LYNES: Not at all.
GUTIERREZ: No.
BEHAR: It`s just nothing -- nothing was wrong with you, I guess.
LYNES: Correct.
BEHAR: You just didn`t check it out. A pap smear or something like that didn`t come up.
LYNES: No.
BEHAR: So the timing was really -- so -- so doctor, do some women have symptoms -- do some people have some symptoms and they don`t know what it is. Or they think its pregnancy? I mean, I can`t figure this out. I don`t really get it. Because you`ve missed your period, there`s kicking, there`s vomiting.
What about the vomiting? Talk to me about the vomiting. I mean, I was, I had morning sickness for three months, the first three months --
KALAN: Right.
BEHAR: -- I was throwing up.
I mean, I didn`t think it was just I was watching some bad TV show that was making me nauseous. I had a feeling, no --
LYNES: Right.
BEHAR: -- it could be something else.
So tell me about that, doctor. Why wouldn`t you pick it up there?
KALAN: It`s quite variable. Not everyone has nausea. And you know, there it that`s -- people -- women who are affected by morning sickness or severely affected by it feel like there is -- there is no question that they would know that this is a pregnancy.
But there`s a lot of women out there who don`t have any morning sickness whatsoever. So again, it`s just the variation from pregnancy to pregnancy.
BEHAR: That`s the good news and the bad news, no morning sickness, hello, you have a baby.
Ok everyone. Stay there. We`ll be right back in a minute. We`ll talk a little more about this.
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BEHAR: I`m back with my panel. We`re talking about women who didn`t know they were pregnant. You know, I`m feeling a little bloated right now. I wonder what it could be?
Now, you guys, Jennifer and Ca Sondra. Let`s talk about that you have the baby -- now you have a baby. What did you do then?
LYNES: I moved back home.
BEHAR: As any intelligent woman would do.
LYNES: Yes, I said there`s no way I`m living on my own taking care of a baby only for three days.
BEHAR: Where was the father of this baby?
LYNES: He was actually in town. We live in the same town. We were currently estranged at the time. He knew when I went to the hospital, I phoned him right away. And he was there the whole time. So he was there for the delivery and everything.
BEHAR: Child support.
LYNES: Absolutely.
BEHAR: He is. So he`s stepping up.
LYNES: Oh, yes. Definitely.
BEHAR: How about you Ca Sondra. What about you and your man and the shock of having a baby that you didn`t know you were having?
GUTIERREZ: We`re actually --
BEHAR: You got married?
GUTIERREZ: We`re actually engaged. We`re engaged.
BEHAR: Oh, you got -- that`s nice.
GUTIERREZ: Yes. He proposed to me at my work. We`re engaged. When I had my son, we were -- I was living at home with my mom. So we`re - - yes, we were living there.
BEHAR: What did he say when you said, hey, guess what? What did he say? Either one of them.
LYNES: I was on the phone with mine. And he was like, what? Because we thought we had three months. So he thought we had some time to figure things out and what we were going to do and how we were going to handle the situation.
BEHAR: I see. So you called him up and said I`m having a baby in nine minutes not nine months.
LYNES: I said I need to speak with you.
(CROSS TALKING)
LYNES: Yes. I need to speak with you and by the way, we`re having a baby soon. Then three days later I had a baby.
BEHAR: Yes. And Ca Sondra, what did your future husband say to you?
GUTIERREZ: Well, I had my baby at 5:30 in the morning. He didn`t find out until 7:30. My dad actually went to his house, picked him up. And he thought that I had an ulcer or something. He thought something had ruptured, my spleen or something.
BEHAR: Who thought that?
(CROSS TALKING)
GUTIERREZ: My husband.
BEHAR: You two just -- I love how the two of you just diagnose yourselves. You think you`re having a tumor that has hair on it. He thinks she`s just having this. How about going to a doctor?
GUTIERREZ: Yes.
BEHAR: Go ahead. I`m sorry. I`m sorry. I`m just teasing you.
GUTIERREZ: That`s ok.
BEHAR: So doctor, are there any psychological effects to this, like not knowing, then all of a sudden you have this baby? What are the effects of the shock psychologically?
KALAN: Yes, I mean it`s like any huge change in a person`s life. Fortunately, people -- women are pretty dynamic and pretty plastic, they`re able to adjust to big changes.
And there`s such thing as a maternal instinct. I think both these women demonstrate that. They had these babies under these extreme circumstances and have adjusted pretty well. It seems like the babies are adapting (ph) really well.
BEHAR: Are they doing -- are the babies doing well? There was no thought of putting these babies up for adoption or anything like that.
LYNES: Oh, no.
GUTIERREZ: No.
BEHAR: You have this baby, it`s your only child right.
LYNES: Yes.
BEHAR: And Ca Sondra, you have other children?
GUTIERREZ: No. This is my only child, my first --
BEHAR: This is your only.
GUTIERREZ: Yes.
BEHAR: You know what? It sounds great to me. You don`t even know you`re pregnant for nine months, how boring and annoying it is. You put on 20 pounds, big deal. Then boom, you have a baby. It`s the greatest thing.
LYNES: My boss came to my house. My boss didn`t believe me. She came to my house to see me.
BEHAR: She didn`t believe you.
LYNES: I don`t think she believed me because I`ve been working there for seven years. She came to my house.
BEHAR: I really want to congratulate both of you. And thanks very much for joining me tonight. "I Didn`t Know I was Pregnant" airs Wednesdays at 9:00 p.m. on TLC.
Back in a minute.
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BEHAR: Women in Hollywood will do almost anything to stay skinny. Some will only eat things without a face. Others won`t eat anything with eyes. Still others won`t eat anything with four legs. So what`s left, a two-legged blind potato?
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Now, which crazy celebrity diets really work? That`s the question. Which don`t, and which can really hurt you?
Here to discuss this are Tracy Anderson, a fitness expert whose clients include Gwyneth Paltrow and Courteney Cox (ph). And she`s also the author of "30-Day Method." Keri Glassman, registered dietitian and women`s health contributor. And Dawn Yanek, editor-at-large for "Life & Style Weekly."
OK, ladies. And first of all, Tracy, you work with Gwyneth. And she`s on a -- supposedly -- this is the information I have -- a strict macrobiotic diet and a heavy exercise regime for many years, and she`s been diagnosed with osteopenia. Tell me about it.
TRACY ANDERSON, FITNESS EXPERT: Well, first of all, I think the part that`s the most hilarious to me is the macrobiotic diet. She hasn`t been macrobiotic for five years. In fact, I love to eat more than anything, and she`s my favorite person to eat with. She`s an amazing chef. She doesn`t cut out food groups. In fact, stinky cheese on the best bread in the world is one of her favorite snacks.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: So she`s eating dairy?
ANDERSON: Yes, she eats -- you know, what`s interesting...
BEHAR: But it`s very unusual for a 37-year-old girl to have osteopenia.
ANDERSON: Well, you know, and there are many cultures, like, you know, in Japan, that are not heavy into dairy, and they don`t have, you know, any kind of vitamin D deficiencies. She -- you know, people have that for many different reasons, but it`s not from her food.
BEHAR: What`s it from? Is it genetic?
ANDERSON: You know, I think a lot of it`s genetic. You know, I mean, she breaks things easily, and so does her mom, so it`s, like, maybe...
BEHAR: Well, I found -- I was reading something different. But you - - I guess you know better because you train her, although she`s...
ANDERSON: I train her. She`s also my partner and one of my dearest friends.
BEHAR: What do you mean she`s your partner?
ANDERSON: Well, she`s a partner in my gyms and DVDs and everything...
BEHAR: Oh.
ANDERSON: So because when she first started this with me, she loved it so much, she`s the kind of girl that`s, like, Every woman has to have this solution.
BEHAR: I see.
ANDERSON: So we do it together.
BEHAR: But she took a break to have kids. She follows a less intense version now, but she still doesn`t eat a lot of dairy. They`re saying that because you don`t eat dairy, the vitamin D deficiency, it disallows you from absorbing the calcium into your bones. She should be eating more dairy. How about some yogurt?
ANDERSON: Well, she`s getting some sun. She`s not opposed to eating dairy...
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BEHAR: I don`t think sun will do the calcium thing, though.
ANDERSON: She does eat dairy, though.
BEHAR: OK.
ANDERSON: She does.
(CROSSTALK)
ANDERSON: And she does exercise six days a week, so...
BEHAR: How many hours a day?
ANDERSON: Well, I believe in exercising every day, obviously. And she does a minimum of 45 minutes, six days a week. But if we can get a full workout in, then we do, you know, 40 minutes of muscular structural work and 40 minutes of (INAUDIBLE)
BEHAR: Why can`t I get addicted to exercise?
(LAUGHTER)
ANDERSON: I can get you addicted to exercise.
(CROSSTALK)
ANDERSON: ... because there aren`t -- the results aren`t there is why...
BEHAR: The only exercise I like is horseback riding because you can sit.
(LAUGHTER)
(CROSSTALK)
KERI GLASSMAN, REGISTERED DIETITIAN: ... something you enjoy doing and that will get you (INAUDIBLE)
BEHAR: All right, now, Jessica Simpson is another one. Dawn, let`s hear -- see what you have to say. She shocked her system with a vegan diet, Chinese tea and cupping. What`s cupping? Is that like leaches?
DAWN YANEK, "LIFE & STYLE WEEKLY": It`s when you, I think -- I believe you take a heated cup and it pulls toxins out of your body. A lot of celebrities kind of jumped on that trend a few years ago. I mean, I think the thing that we see time and time again at "Life & Style Weekly" is that celebrities and regular people want things and they want them immediately. Now, there`s a super-healthy way, of course, to have a vegan diet, but whether or not Jessica is following that, I think that`s what`s up for debate. And then you see a lot of young girls looking at this and saying, Oh, wait, maybe I should jump on this bandwagon, too, and maybe aren`t getting all of the information.
BEHAR: I see. So it could be dangerous to follow the -- you know, just blindly follow it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, absolutely.
BEHAR: Yes, very bad. Now, you developed, Tracy -- is it Tracy?
GLASSMAN: Keri.
BEHAR: I`m sorry. Tracy`s the one who developed the so-called "baby food diet."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh!
BEHAR: Now, what is up with that?
ANDERSON: Oh, the baby food diet! First of all, I`m doing a lot for the baby food industry. Apparently, people are running out and buying jars of baby food. It`s not baby food. It`s that I don`t believe in liquid cleanses. And I saw women who want quick results...
BEHAR: But what is the baby food diet?
ANDERSON: OK. Well, I take a lot of nutrients, you know, that have - - that you can -- in a consumable portion. And instead of purifying it so that you don`t get the -- not purifying it -- instead of juicing it, so you don`t get the -- you know, the digestive benefits for the fiber and everything, I just puree it down to, you know, a consumable portion...
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: That`s baby food.
ANDERSON: It`s not baby food (INAUDIBLE)
BEHAR: If you take a T-bone steak and you put it in a blender and you puree it and you don`t have to have teeth to eat it, that is baby food!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, possibly.
(LAUGHTER)
ANDERSON: But I`m telling you that you get to eat 14 times a day. You get to eat chocolate on it. It`s not -- because I`m -- it`s not baby food, though.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Wait, wait, wait! Go ahead. Let me ask Keri. Isn`t that dangerous also to have? That`s not good. And who would eat that?
GLASSMAN: All of these types of plans, whether it`s the baby food or macrobiotic or vegan, they are plans that can be extreme and unhealthy, or they can all be healthy. And what it comes down to, whatever lifestyle you are living, whether you`re vegan, whether you`re macrobiotic, whatever type of plan you`re doing, you need to do it in a responsible way.
There are, obviously, some things out there, like the master cleanse or some very extreme plans, that actually are healthy for no one. But there are many lifestyles out there that when you are a responsible vegan and when you are -- when you do live certain lifestyles in a responsible way where you`re diligent and you do make sure you get in all the different nutrients and/or supplement with other -- with vitamins and minerals when needed, you can be extremely healthy on many of these types of lifestyles, including...
BEHAR: But who would want a diet of baby -- pureed food all day long?
ANDERSON: Well, when you`re...
(CROSSTALK)
ANDERSON: Sorry!
BEHAR: You girls need to pretend you`re on "The View." Just jump in.
(LAUGHTER)
GLASSMAN: ... the reason that people did it, I think sometimes, and from what I`ve heard from some people, they try to do it because, OK, let me just eat these little portions throughout the day. It becomes just a matter of portion control. You can lose weight through portion control eating anything, whether it`s...
BEHAR: So then why don`t...
GLASSMAN: ... unhealthy or...
BEHAR: ... the celebrities...
GLASSMAN: ... healthy.
BEHAR: ... do that? Why do they have to do cupping...
(CROSSTALK)
YANEK: ... what works for you. I think what the problem is, is it`s a fad in the end. And really, you have to eat less, move more. That`s the bottom line. When you do that, you lose weight. But when you do these fad diets, you lose interest really, really quickly. Things like the master cleanse, you know, I mean...
(CROSSTALK)
YANEK: ... cayenne pepper, lemon juice, maple syrup and water.
BEHAR: According to what I understand, it`s maple syrup, lemon, water and cayenne pepper.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: ... jump out of my brassiere!
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Cayenne pepper and maple syrup, yummy!
GLASSMAN: I could probably last about one hour on that, probably one hour, maybe.
YANEK: ... that Beyonce lost about 20 pounds for her role in "Dreamgirls" going on master cleanse, which is really crazy!
GLASSMAN: And that`s really -- and that`s really why it became very popular. It`s just too low, obviously. Not enough calories. There`s not any -- there`s no protein. There is no healthy fat. There`s no fiber.
BEHAR: How many...
(CROSSTALK)
ANDERSON: ... when you watch a celebrity like that, you know, lose weight for a role, and then you watch them bounce back and gain twice as much, which is exactly why, you know, I came up with this cleanse because people do need to get unhealthy weight off, but it`s got to be sustainable. And you can`t stigmatize yourself into, like, I can only eat this and I`m never eating bread again. Then you develop allergies to that. The second that you have bread, you`ve got, like, bread face, you know? It`s, like...
BEHAR: You know, that`s another thing...
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: I want to talk about allergies, food allergies, alleged food allergies. I think that some people are tricking themselves into thinking they have a food allergy to lose weight.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Absolutely!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Absolutely!
BEHAR: All of a sudden, everybody has celiac disease and...
(CROSSTALK)
GLASSMAN: ... I can`t eat wheat and I can`t eat dairy. There are some people out there that, actually, it is not great for them.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sure.
GLASSMAN: But many people...
BEHAR: Every nutritionist...
GLASSMAN: ... just do it for the...
BEHAR: If you go to them for a consultation, they`ll say you`re allergic to wheat.
GLASSMAN: No. I do not tell anybody that, unless they are truly allergic to wheat.
(CROSSTALK)
GLASSMAN: I actually tell them -- I actually tell them, chances are you`re absolutely not allergic to that. You`re probably -- when you eat three loaves of bread, yes, you`re going to gain weight and it`s not going to be good for your stomach.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: The cleanse is unhealthy. You will gain it all back.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
GLASSMAN: Usually, you gain back more, actually.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: It`s a shock to your system.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right.
GLASSMAN: What happens is, usually, when you go extremely low calories, then when your body gains weight back, you gain back actually more weight and you gain back more fat.
BEHAR: Isn`t that true...
GLASSMAN: If you lose lean muscle mass and then you gain back more, and then it`s harder to lose the next time around because you have more muscle mass, which burns less calories than your lean body mass.
BEHAR: I see. And isn`t that true also of exercise? Like, you keep doing -- so you do 45 minutes a day. Now she goes into menopause, Gwyneth, let`s say, and she can`t keep that going. She`s got to do an hour-and-a- half a day.
ANDERSON: That`s why I developed what I did. I spent 11 years developing -- I own 3,000 moves and the largest bank of content in fitness ever because...
BEHAR: You own 3,000 moves?
ANDERSON: Well, I mean, I created them all originally, and -- and so...
BEHAR: I didn`t know you could copyright a move.
ANDERSON: Well, you can copyright the method...
(CROSSTALK)
ANDERSON: But the reason why -- the reason why I came up with it was because in fitness, that`s why women trend hop, just like they diet hop, because you`ll notice something new in the beginning because your muscles are doing something. And then all of a sudden, you plateau. So you go to the next thing, the next trend. All those trends have different outcomes. And the reason why is because the small muscle groups, they are the key, but they get smart fast, strong fast and stupid fast. So I knew I needed an enormous bank of content with the same outcome...
BEHAR: OK...
ANDERSON: ... to change people.
BEHAR: OK, now, let`s go to Jennifer Hudson and Snooki. Snooki is on the cookie diet. Either that or Cookie`s on the Snooki diet. We`re not sure.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: But how about the cookie diet?
GLASSMAN: That`s the absolute most ridiculous thing. I mean, that really is just -- again, all that is, is portion control, but now you`re using a food that`s not even a whole real food to lose weight. You`re better -- obviously, you could have portion control of broccoli. You can have portion control of a nice round great proportion meals of broccoli, some salmon and a sweet potato and lose weight, as well. It`s just an easy quick fix way for people to honestly put no work into it and just control portions.
(CROSSTALK)
GLASSMAN: And then what happens is -- it`s not sustainable. And again, you`re going to gain more weight back. And it`s all a big package (INAUDIBLE) I think the ingredient list...
ANDERSON: It`s horrid.
GLASSMAN: ... is, like, a book long.
(CROSSTALK)
GLASSMAN: If the ingredient list looks like this, there`s a big problem.
YANEK: I don`t think we should be taking diet advice from Snooki, or any advice, for that matter. We`re probably in a bad place, if we`re there!
(CROSSTALK)
ANDERSON: ... from celebrities, period.
BEHAR: I like the parasite diet. I enjoy that. You can eat your entire lawyer.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: OK, ladies, thank you. We`ll be right back in a minute. Stick around.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: They all served in the Army on the front lines in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now these veterans are serving the troops by singing on their behalf. Their debut CD is out now and they will be touring this fall. Here with me now to celebrate the 4th of July this weekend are the 4troops, David Clemo, Ron Henry, Meredith Melcher and Daniel Jens. Welcome to the show, you guys.
(CROSSTALK)
Now, let`s start with Ron. Ron, you`re the retired guy.
RETIRED STAFF SGT. RON HENRY, 4TROOPS: Yes.
BEHAR: You were -- you put in your 20 years.
HENRY: Yes.
BEHAR: And how did you four come together as a singing group?
HENRY: Well, we all have a love of music, and because of our love of music, we were introduced to a fine gentleman by the name of Victor Hertado (ph), who is the artistic director for Army entertainment. And through us meeting him, we got contact through him by Sony Records. We presented ourselves to Sony. We had, like, a day-and-a-half to put together a couple of songs. We auditioned for Sony. They signed us in January, and here we are.
BEHAR: So you didn`t know each other before this?
HENRY: Well, David and Meredith knew each other...
BEHAR: Oh, you two (INAUDIBLE)
HENRY: ... through the Army soldiers show, then I met Victor through what the Army calls the military idol, but it`s now called Operation Rising Star. And of course, Daniel met Victor through "America`s Got Talent."
BEHAR: I see. And what kind of songs do you sing, Meredith?
FORMER CPT. MEREDITH MELCHER, 4TROOPS: We sing a bunch of different songs. We cover a lot of different genres of music so that there`s something for everybody. You know, no matter what you like, there`s something on the album. We do some country, rock, R&B, patriotic tunes.
BEHAR: I see. Can you sing "What`s New Pussycat?"
MELCHER: (SINGING) What`s new, pussycat? Whoa-whoa-whoa-whoa-whoa -- Don`t ask me how I know that!
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Very good.
(CROSSTALK)
MELCHER: I`m not going to lie! I love it. I love it.
BEHAR: He`s impressed. Dan`s impressed.
MELCHER: And I feel like...
(CROSSTALK)
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Now, you are a married guy?
FORMER SGT. DANIEL JENS, 4TROOPS: Yes.
BEHAR: Do you have children?
JENS: Yes, three kids.
BEHAR: Oh, you have three.
JENS: Yes.
BEHAR: So when you were away, how hard was that for your family?
JENS: It was tough. It was tough. But music was therapeutic for me. To, you know, think about my wife and my kids, I`d play songs that made me think about them. And the next thing you know, there`d be buddies requesting songs that helped them think about their families, as well, so...
BEHAR: That`s nice.
JENS: ... it was a good time.
BEHAR: That`s nice. And you just had a baby.
FORMER SGT. DAVID CLEMO, 4TROOPS: Yes, she`s a week old.
BEHAR: How sweet. Is that your first child?
CLEMO: Yes.
BEHAR: Very good. So -- but you also have been in Iraq and Afghanistan. The other three have only been in Iraq. You have been in Afghanistan, as well.
CLEMO: Yes.
BEHAR: Is there a difference in the way the war`s conducted in those two countries?
CLEMO: I think so. When I was in Afghanistan, it was in 2002. And so it was -- we actually watched Iraq kick off. And the way Afghanistan was fought at that time was very different from how Iraq started. I had a lot more fun in Afghanistan, if you can call it fun. Iraq was a little harder tour, so...
BEHAR: It`s harder in Iraq. Really?
CLEMO: For me it was. Each deployment for people -- for each person is different.
BEHAR: What kind of fun did you have in Afghanistan?
CLEMO: Well, we had a good group of guys. When you have a good team that you`re working with -- we`d joke around and make the best of whatever -- we gave each other haircuts, which was really funny, things like that, so...
BEHAR: I would think that you could get bored in some of these tours, right?
CLEMO: Yes. That`s where the pranks come into play on your down time.
BEHAR: OK. Now, Ron, how long did you serve again, 20 years, right?
GLASSMAN: Twenty years, yes.
BEHAR: And do you miss being in the Army?
HENRY: Not at all.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: You don`t.
HENRY: Not at all. I mean, I`ve enjoyed -- I`ve had good times, I`ve had bad times. It`s made me a better man. It`s made me a better person. But I`ve come to know that when that part of your life is over, you move on to the next part of your life and you make that the best of it, so...
BEHAR: So what are you going to be -- you`re singing now. I mean, is that...
HENRY: Yes.
BEHAR: Is that what your plan is now?
HENRY: Well, that was always an ultimate dream of mine. But right after I got out of the Army, I was working a Department of Defense job in logistics out of Ft. Eustice (ph), Virginia. And then when I got this call, I told them, Hey, got to go.
BEHAR: Yes, baby! Give it to me.
HENRY: Exactly.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: And Meredith, how do you feel being the only woman with this group?
MELCHER: I like it, actually, because I think of -- I heard some laughter.
(LAUGHTER)
MELCHER: They`re sort of like big brothers that I never had. I never had a brother, so it`s sort of like having three big brothers to look after me.
BEHAR: Do you guys treat her well?
HENRY: We spoil her.
BEHAR: You spoil her? Yes.
MELCHER: I don`t know about that.
HENRY: She`s spoiled.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, we kind of have to be nice to her because her small stature might fool people, but she`s pretty tough.
BEHAR: She`s tough?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s a tough lady.
BEHAR: Were you tough when you were in the Army? Were you tough in Iraq?
MELCHER: I tried to be. I tried to be emotionally tough, maybe not physically tough, but try to be strong emotionally, so...
BEHAR: What drew you to go into the Army?
MELCHER: Well, my dad was in for a career. So sort of, you know -- actually, I hadn`t considered it in high school, but then I did the ROTC thing in college and I loved it, and I just kept going.
BEHAR: I see. Now, I understand that one of you was on "America`s Got Talent."
JENS: Yes.
BEHAR: You were?
JENS: Yes.
BEHAR: How was that?
JENS: It was great. It was a great experience. I`d got just got back from Iraq. And actually, when I was in Iraq, I won a little -- "Blackjack Idol" is what we called it. Name of our brigade was "Blackjack." Had a competition and I ended up winning it. So when I got back, my brigade commander asked, Hey, go audition for "America`s Got Talent." They`re having auditions. So I auditioned on MySpace and...
BEHAR: And you got it. And you were on "American Idol."
MELCHER: No.
BEHAR: Oh, I thought I read that.
MELCHER: I auditioned.
BEHAR: You tried out for "American Idol."
MELCHER: I tried out.
BEHAR: And what happened?
MELCHER: Oh, I mean, I blew it. I just blew it. I was nervous. I was very nervous because, you know, you wait so long to get the wristband, and then to get in the door. And so you`re all hyped up because you think, Oh, my gosh, I`ve waited for 24 hours total. You know, I have, like, two minutes, or not even. You know, I blew it. But here I am.
BEHAR: Well, I`m so happy to meet you all. You`re just really great. And I hope your career skyrockets now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you very much.
BEHAR: And have a wonderful weekend.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you.
BEHAR: The 4troops CD is available now.
You know, Sunday is Independence Day, and it reminds me of what Martha Washington said to George the night of the inauguration. You want to know what she said?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What did she say?
BEHAR: She said, George, go varnish your teeth. I`m getting splinters. We`ll be right back.
(LAUGHTER)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: My next guest was in Haiti during the terrible earthquake in January. It only lasted for 40 seconds, but what Lionel Bernard saw then and has seen since will stay with him forever, and he`s decided to do something about it. Here now to talk about his efforts is Haitian-American artist Lionel Bernard.
Greetings, Lionel.
LIONEL BERNARD, HAITIAN-AMERICAN ARTIST: Greetings.
BEHAR: Tell me about what you saw during that horrible earthquake. And you say that it`s gotten much worse since.
BERNARD: Yes. We just got back -- my brother and I, we just went after the earthquake, just got back about a month ago. And it`s beyond imagination.
BEHAR: In what way? What`s going on?
BERNARD: I mean, first of all, there are still people under the debris in Haiti right now.
BEHAR: Under the debris?
BERNARD: Under the debris in Haiti right now.
BEHAR: And they`re alive?
BERNARD: Not alive. Dead.
BEHAR: Dead. Yes.
BERNARD: But you know, I mean, being (INAUDIBLE) rebuilding. You know, people are -- still it`s very harsh.
BEHAR: Yes.
BERNARD: It`s extremely difficult in Haiti.
BEHAR: So they haven`t been able to bury the dead and...
BERNARD: They haven`t been able to even clean the streets in Haiti.
BEHAR: So the sanitation issue must be enormous.
BERNARD: There is not a really big sanitation department in Haiti. There`s none. You know, it`s extremely difficult in Haiti right now.
BEHAR: So you`re doing something to help the situation.
BERNARD: Yes. Basically, what we`re trying to do, my brother and I, we`re trying -- we`re doing is turning a house into a small manufacturing complex...
BEHAR: Really?
BERNARD: ... and make dresses and sandals.
BEHAR: In Port-au-Prince?
BERNARD: In Port-au-Prince, yes. You know, electricity is a big problem in Haiti, you know, obviously. So we decided to take matters in our own hands and try to create jobs in Haiti. So we decided to design to make some light dresses for the Haitians.
BEHAR: That`s very pretty.
BERNARD: You know...
BEHAR: Lovely for the warm weather.
BERNARD: Yes. In Haiti and (INAUDIBLE)
BEHAR: And you`re selling that in Haiti?
BERNARD: No, we`re selling them here.
BEHAR: But the people in Haiti, they don`t have any money at all, do they.
BERNARD: Well, that`s basically what we`re trying to do. We`re trying to create jobs. You know, that`s the first thing we`re trying to do.
BEHAR: And the sandals? You`re doing that, too?
BERNARD: We`re doing the sandals, so they can empower themselves. The first thing, the hand-out in Haiti doesn`t really work for us. And we cannot help all of Haiti. So concentrate basically on our (INAUDIBLE)
BEHAR: So how many jobs have you created?
BERNARD: We have 15 to 20 people making dresses and sandals for us right now.
BEHAR: OK.
BERNARD: In a house.
BEHAR: In the house?
BERNARD: In the house.
BEHAR: And selling them on your Web site, which we`re going to promote.
BERNARD: And we sell them on our Web site and we sell them at the flea market, the Brooklyn flea market. And (INAUDIBLE) what we`re doing because the people of Haiti have to empower themself.
BEHAR: Yes.
BERNARD: You know, we have to help Haiti help itself.
BEHAR: It`s a terrible situation down there.
BERNARD: It`s a very terrible...
BEHAR: Shouldn`t the world be helping a little bit more than they are?
BERNARD: I have to say, the doctors and the nurses are doing a wonderful job.
BEHAR: Yes.
BERNARD: They are doing a wonderful job in Haiti. And a lot of people are helping in Haiti, but it`s so much.
BEHAR: But do you think that what you`re doing will catch on and maybe other businesses will come down there and try to, you know, get that going?
BERNARD: Hopefully. That`s what we`re trying to do. We`re trying to create some type of awareness because there`s so much to be done in Haiti. And also, us as Haitians, you know, so the kids can see us as an example.
BEHAR: Right.
BERNARD: It`s very important for the kids to see us as example because the corruption is being part of our culture right now in Haiti.
BEHAR: The corruption.
BERNARD: The corruption is so huge in Haiti. It`s part of our culture.
BEHAR: So what`s to be done about that?
BERNARD: Well...
BEHAR: That`s a big question.
BERNARD: A big question, but I try to concentrate on the positive things, you know?
BEHAR: Yes.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: And your small contribution could lead to something big.
BERNARD: Our small contribution. Half of the proceeds go back to Haiti. And this is just the beginning.
BEHAR: Yes.
BERNARD: Hopefully, we`re going to go to schools, you know, we`re trying to create and jobs and Haiti empower themself.
BEHAR: Well, I hope that people watching will take a page from your book and maybe try to think of some other creative things to help those people. Thanks so much for joining me, Lionel.
BERNARD: Thank you.
BEHAR: For more information on how you can help, go to Haiti155.org.
Good night, everybody.
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