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Mad Mel`s Tale of the Tape; A Jennifer to Love
Aired July 16, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tonight on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, the rage of Mel. RadarOnline releases more and more tapes they claim is Mel Gibson screaming at his ex-girlfriend.
Joy and her panel will break down the most shocking sound bites and try to figure out if we`re witnessing the end of a legendary Hollywood career.
And one of the nice guys in show business stops by. Rocker Bret Michaels discusses his near death experience and tells Joy why he should replace Simon Cowell on "American Idol".
Plus, the beautiful Jennifer Love Hewitt dishes on being listen in "People`s" 50 most amazing bodies.
All that and more starting right now.
JOY BEHAR, HLN HOST: You know how they say that there`s no such thing as bad publicity, I say au contraire, mes aimes (ph). And if you don`t believe me, ask Mel Gibson.
RadarOnline spent most of the week posting recordings they say is Mel Gibson lashing out at Oksana -- I can never say this last name -- Grigorieva, Oksana.
Here to talk about very Mad Max`s troubles are AOL "Popeater" columnist Rob Shuter; comedian Michele Balan; and "Extra" correspondent, A.J. Calloway.
Let`s begin with an excerpt from the tape RadarOnline has released Monday which has since become known as the rose garden speech.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You almost killed us. Did you forget?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The last three years have been a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) gravy train for you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You were hitting a woman with a child in her hands. You. What kind of man is that hitting a woman when she`s holding a child in her hands? Breaking her teeth twice in the face. What kind of man is that?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, you`re all angry now.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re going to get -- you know what?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED) deserve.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re going to answer, one day, boy, you`re going to answer. Bet.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What, what? What are you threatening me?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nothing, nothing. I`m not the one to threaten.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`ll threaten -- I`ll put you in the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) rose garden, you (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
(END AUDIO CLIP)
BEHAR: She goes "Nothing, nothing, I`m not the one to threaten. I`ll get you." I`m going to get you. And she did. Is his career doomed?
ROB SHUTER, COLUMNIST, AOL`S "POPEATER": I think his career is doomed; his legacy is probably doomed. I think --
BEHAR: What legacy?
SHUTER: He`s an Oscar winner. He`s made some great movies. I think in 10 years time, we`re not going to be talking about his Oscars. We`re going to be talking about this.
BEHAR: Absolutely.
MICHELE BALAN, COMEDIAN: He has a new movie already, passion of the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) job.
A.J. CALLOWAY, CORRESPONDENT, "EXTRA": He`s extremely talented though. He`s extremely talented but it sounds like he`s auditioning for "The Sopranos".
BEHAR: I know.
Michele, do you think that Oksana made these tapes to protect herself?
BALAN: You know, she`s a smart cookie, that one. I think that she should have been one of the Russian spies. They got those four idiots.
BEHAR: She could have been good, yes.
BALAN: She saved this for months. She even had a baby with the guy. Now that`s a spy.
SHUTER: Commitment -- that`s commitment.
BALAN: That`s the spy that Russia should have sent over here.
BEHAR: Why? Do you think that she knew he was like this before?
BALAN: You know, I don`t know. But you know what`s so funny. I think about Mel, he was in a movie called "What Women Want".
BEHAR: Oh, I know.
BALAN: Apparently a beating, according to --
BEHAR: According to him. A.J., what do you think Oksana saw in him? What did she see in him, besides you know --
CALLOWAY: Possibly love at one point, and then I think opportunity after finding out the kind of man that he was. I think she just exploited him and he fell right into it because I think -- honestly, he probably is chemically imbalanced.
(CROSS TALKING)
BALAN: If I just have that baby.
BEHAR: Or girl -- women think that they can fix a man by having a baby. Well, think again.
BALAN: Well, they also get the money. Once you have a baby, you have that income, you know.
SHUTER: You`ll be a part of their life forever. Like, she will always be part of his life with the child. But I think that for a long time in Hollywood, there`s been lots of talk about Mel`s temper. And I don`t think that this is a surprise to people that really knew him.
To us it`s surprising, but to people in Hollywood, he`s had a temper for a long time.
(CROSS TALKING)
BALAN: He didn`t say anything about the Jews.
CALLOWAY: Well, he went after the blacks.
SHUTER: And the gays.
(CROSS TALKING)
CALLOWAY: You know, and then we got --
BEHAR: Listen, guys, don`t fight over him.
By the way, CNN has tried to get Mel Gibson to comment on these tapes, but so far he has declined to speak out. Ok.
Let`s now listen to an excerpt from the tape RadarOnline released on Tuesday.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t walk around -- I don`t walk around in tight clothes. I (EXPLETIVE DELETED) most of the time.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You go out in public in (EXPLETIVE DELETED), it`s an (EXPLETIVE DELETED) embarrassment to me. You look like a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) on heat. And if you get raped by a pack of (EXPLETIVE DELETED), it`s going to be your fault. All right?
Because you provoked it; you are provocatively dressed all the time with your fake boobs, you feel you have to show off.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
BEHAR: A.J., what part of this rant offended you the most?
CALLOWAY: Oh, boy, Joy. You have some bleeps here?
BEHAR: Tell me.
CALLOWAY: I was really -- I was shocked, beyond shocked.
BEHAR: You were, really?
CALLOWAY: Yes. I kind of was.
BEHAR: Why? After he called to say the Jews were responsible for all the wars in the world. He called the cop that stopped him (EXPLETIVE DELETED). Remember that?
CALLOWAY: He pushed the envelope. I would love to have therapy with him uptown in Harlem for a minute.
BALAN: So it`s ok what he said about the Jews.
CALLOWAY: Not at all. Not at all. Now I`m fired up. Don`t mess with the brothers.
BALAN: You know, it was a moment in time.
CALLOWAY: He pushed the envelope so much. And really he`s -- chemically, there has to be something wrong. I`m giving him the benefit of --
SHUTER: His voice -- like last time we read about what he said, we weren`t there. This is his voice. And that`s the difference. It`s him. And you can`t get away from this.
BALAN: They said he was wagging recently a gun at her. Between wagging his gun and penis at her, the poor thing -- he`s wagging something at her.
BEHAR: Wag the bell. That`s a new movie he`s going to be in.
Here`s another excerpt from RadarOnline. He gets so worked up you can actually hear him panting at certain points. Listen.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) were you going to say?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I wasn`t going to say about any earlier today. It`s just -- I was going to say about last night, that`s all.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why did you (EXPLETIVE DELETED) sleep? That`s my mistake. I should have woke you up and said (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
(END AUDIO CLIP)
BEHAR: We call these the emphysema tapes. What`s with the heavy breathing? Does anyone have a clue? I mean it sounds like he has black lung disease.
SHUTER: I think he sounds so angry that he wants to explode. He sounds so angry with her and he can`t find the words. Unfortunately, they`re funny but sometimes these tapes are real scary.
BALAN: Frightening. It`s like a horror movie.
SHUTER: It is a horror movie.
BALAN: Maybe he`s out of breath from running with a gallon of vodka or something and he ran out of breath.
BEHAR: Rob, what happened to all the Hollywood friends? They`ve abandoned him.
(CROSS TALKING)
SHUTER: They came through last time. Last time when he made the anti-Semitic remarks, Jodie Foster came forward. Many, many people came forward to defend him. One person has this time, Whoopi.
BEHAR: She just -- I have to say this again because she didn`t defend him. She just said she didn`t think he was a racist.
SHUTER: Got it.
BEHAR: Let`s be clear on what she said. Then you can have your opinions.
SHUTER: But then if you take Whoopi out of the picture then, nobody has come forward to defend him. And I think it`s because it would be stupid to do so.
BEHAR: I think Roman Polanski can send him some flowers from Switzerland.
SHUTER: To change the news story.
(CROSS TALKING)
BEHAR: What do you make of that A.J.? That his friends in Hollywood have deserted him?
SHUTER: I think they`re going to stay away from him because he`s too volatile. I mean he`s definitely crossed the line. Before, you were reading -- like you said, you were reading it. Now you`re hearing it and you`re actually seeing the kind of individual he is behind closed doors. And sometimes that`s the scariest person.
BALAN: And he`s obviously out of control on the tapes.
BEHAR: Listen to another alleged tirade from RadarOnline.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I waited for you. I waited and waited until I fell asleep. And then --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Waited and waited. Like 2 1/2 (EXPLETIVE DELETED) minutes. You`re (EXPLETIVE DELETED) snoring; don`t you dare wake. You`re blaming me right now.
Now I`m blaming you. You went to sleep and didn`t (EXPLETIVE DELETED) me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t blame you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I deserve to be (EXPLETIVE DELETED) first before the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) Jacuzzi. I`ll tear and burn the house down, but (EXPLETIVE DELETED) me first. How dare you.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
BEHAR: These are the "I`ll blow your house down" tapes.
CALLOWAY: Yes.
BEHAR: What was your question before that? You asked me something.
BALAN: You keep saying alleged. It`s like, you know, you would think at this point if they kept using your -- you would y, that`s not me. Somebody would say something.
BEHAR: Well they can -- I`m going to -- you know, RadarOnline has the answers to some of this.
SHUTER: Important point, though, RadarOnline normally pay. They did not pay for these. They admit when they pay. RadarOnline said they didn`t pay her a penny. She could have made a fortune from these tapes. I think they just got her at the right moment.
BEHAR: Why did she do it? A lot of people are saying why did she release them? Why not just give it -- report it to the police?
SHUTER: Well, I was told what happened is that his camp had been putting rumors out about her and RadarOnline went to her to get the -- to get her to address them, and they got her at just the right moment when she was just mad enough. And she sent them hours and hours of tape.
BEHAR: His side was putting out rumors about her.
SHUTER: Yes.
BEHAR: Ok. That`s an interesting new tidbit.
BALAN: But why was she recording these tapes all along?
BEHAR: Wouldn`t you? If you were married to this nut? I would.
CALLOWAY: She knew this. She knew what she was dealing with, and she knew that at some point she would have to prove her side.
BEHAR: Ok guys. I got to wrap this up. Thanks very much.
Michele Balan`s upcoming DVD is "From Ecstasy to Vitamin C". Go to comicbalan.com for more information,.
And the lovely Jennifer Love Hewitt joins me next. So stick around
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
JOY BEHAR: Jennifer Love Hewitt has traded in listening to ghosts for having sex with men for money. You know, if the men don`t talk, it`s a win/win. Her new Lifetime movie is "The Client List" where she plays a Texas housewife who turns to prostitution to support her family during the recession.
Take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This here is Emma, our barely legal looking newbie.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How long have you been here, sweetie?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Two months today.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh so nice.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You got a client in number four. Why don`t you scoot on over.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ok.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And you`re all licensed massage therapists?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sure, yes we all have licenses and we all give massage.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s a teensy bit more than that.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: I`m happy to welcome back to my show the lovely Jennifer Love Hewitt.
JENNIFER LOVE HEWITT, ACTRESS: Hi.
BEHAR: Hi.
HEWITT: I love a man who doesn`t talk. I prefer it.
BEHAR: The tall silent quiet type --
HEWITT: Yes.
BEHAR: -- is a very attractive man.
HEWITT: Yes.
BEHAR: You don`t meet them in showbiz very often.
HEWITT: Never. No.
BEHAR: You have to go outside of showbiz to find that kind of a guy.
HEWITT: Yes.
BEHAR: Do you ever meet guys outside of showbiz?
HEWITT: I don`t.
BEHAR: You don`t?
HEWITT: I`m trying.
BEHAR: Yes, it`s hard once you`re in the business to do that, huh?
HEWITT: Yes.
BEHAR: How can we help you?
HEWITT: I don`t know. If you figure it out, though, I would really be grateful.
BEHAR: Yes, I would like you to meet a nice guy.
HEWITT: Thank you.
BEHAR: Maybe a doctor.
HEWITT: Oh a doctor.
BEHAR: Well, I`d like a doctor for you.
HEWITT: Yes.
BEHAR: Yes.
HEWITT: A plastic surgeon maybe.
BEHAR: Well, now you`re really in the business again. A dermatologist.
HEWITT: Oh a dermatologist.
BEHAR: Who has a needle for botox injections.
HEWITT: I like that. That`s a good call.
BEHAR: Now, in this film you`re a massage therapist who turns prostitute, right?
HEWITT: Yes.
BEHAR: Now you know, Al Gore was recently -- they`ve been talking about Al Gore --
HEWITT: I know.
BEHAR: Being with a masseuse and then having a happy ending --
HEWITT: A happy ending --
BEHAR: -- which a lot of people by the way -- people in the know say that`s a bunch of baloney, that story. People can write anything they want. He never even went for a massage.
HEWITT: Yes.
BEHAR: But the massage therapists are having -- are not happy with that particular image.
HEWITT: Well, yes, I mean, it`s a big deal. Because there are places -- I mean I definitely have guy friends who have frequented places where there is the happy ending aspect.
BEHAR: Really?
HEWITT: But that they have to stay very quiet about it. You know.
BEHAR: Yes, well I mean, I go to a place to get massage every once in a while. No one has ever given me any happy endings. They just say, that will be 140 bucks.
HEWITT: I know. Right?
BEHAR: Yes.
HEWITT: I know. They don`t do it for girls. Why?
BEHAR: Because men are the ones who want these things.
(CROSS TALKING)
BEHAR: You`ve been listening to the Mel Gibson tape. His obsession with oral sex, it`s outrageous.
HEWITT: I know and then burning the house down if he doesn`t get it.
BEHAR: Yes I know.
HEWITT: I think that`s much.
BEHAR: You know, I was saying to them -- and also he wakes her up to get one.
HEWITT: I know, which is so rude. Like you`re sleeping --
BEHAR: I mean --
HEWITT: -- if anybody ever did that to me while I was sleeping, I`d burn their house down. And I feel like please, do not wake me. I am sleeping. I`m not a good like kind person when somebody wakes me up. And for that, oh, yes, let me roll over for that. That`s like, no, no. You have to be very awake and aware of what`s happening.
BEHAR: Also isn`t that something that is only for special occasions? I was trying to explain to this crew --
HEWITT: Yes. His birthday --
BEHAR: -- that it`s only for Jewish holidays, birthdays.
HEWITT: Maybe Christmas.
BEHAR: Christmas?
HEWITT: Yes.
BEHAR: That`s it --
HEWITT: Yes and not every calendar holiday.
BEHAR: No.
HEWITT: Because they try that.
BEHAR: No, not Halloween, for example.
HEWITT: No.
BEHAR: I wouldn`t do it then.
HEWITT: Who would do that on Halloween?
BEHAR: No, no, no.
HEWITT: No.
BEHAR: Maybe in costumes, though, it might be kind of kinky.
HEWITT: Oh perhaps, perhaps. Yes.
BEHAR: Ok. So where else are you going to have this conversation on television?
HEWITT: Nowhere. Nowhere.
BEHAR: Now, let`s talk about the movie a little bit because you pointed out this morning to me that a lot of these women are turning to prostitution --
HEWITT: Yes.
BEHAR: -- because they need the money, actually need the money.
HEWITT: Yes.
BEHAR: And how do they exactly go about that? If you`re a housewife in Kansas, let`s say, and you`re house is in foreclosure --
HEWITT: Yes.
BEHAR: -- how do you become a prostitute?
HEWITT: I`m not really sure exactly. I mean, a lot of them are not even necessarily doing the happy ending stuff but more like phone sex --
BEHAR: Oh phone sex.
HEWITT: -- it`s sort of coming back around, which is odd with the Internet because you can sort of go in really as a guy to kind of get what you want off the Internet. So I don`t really know what it is other than the person to person sort of contact with the voice and everything else like that.
But yes the big thing is that women are starting to do phone sex from their houses.
BEHAR: I could see that.
HEWITT: Yes I mean --
BEHAR: That`s no big deal.
HEWITT: But the other interesting thing, and this is what I -- I didn`t talk about this morning because it`s morning but the other thing that is really interesting to me about it is that women are also starting to do it for the same reasons that men are. Because economically, men are feeling very sort of insecure and like they cannot take care of their families and there`s nothing that they can really do.
And so the sex life of married couples right now is really sort of struggling as much as the economy --
BEHAR: Yes.
HEWITT: -- and if -- they`re finding it difficult.
So these women are actually, some of them -- I read interviews -- are going to do this job so that they can be satisfied like a man.
BEHAR: No, really?
HEWITT: Which is really interesting that we`ve sort of taken that position; it`s different.
BEHAR: What about Mr. Buzzy?
HEWITT: Old Mr. Buzzy?
BEHAR: I mean that`s a --
HEWITT: Now that -- that bet every calendar holiday.
BEHAR: You can do it every day of the week.
HEWITT: Yes.
BEHAR: That`s a staple.
HEWITT: Yes.
BEHAR: Yes.
HEWITT: Tricks are not for kids. Ok, I`m sorry. You go to the rabbit, right?
BEHAR: Yes, yes well, we know what the rabbit is.
HEWITT: Yes.
BEHAR: Yes, we know what the rabbit is.
HEWITT: "Sex and the City", whatever.
(CROSS TALKING)
BEHAR: But do you think they`re doing it, some of these women because they don`t want to work at McDonald`s you know and they don`t want to work for --
HEWITT: Probably and I think you know it`s a way to sort of get in touch with your sexuality. And really the thing is that -- with -- with prostitution so much have been, I mean, unless you`re in sort of a pimp situation, I guess, you really kind of make your own hours.
I mean, like my character in the movie definitely says I have to only do this in the hours between when I drop my kids off at school and pick them up.
BEHAR: Right.
HEWITT: Because a lot of these women are able to sort of say, yes, I can only do it in the afternoon. And they are paid I mean, amazing money to sort of do these things.
BEHAR: The phone sex?
HEWITT: They`re also -- yes, well, and happy endings. And they are - -
BEHAR: Or really show up.
HEWITT: Yes.
BEHAR: Really show up.
HEWITT: Yes.
BEHAR: Wow. I mean, I knew a guy who was a phone sex operator and he was a hairdresser. A guy I knew.
HEWITT: Yes.
BEHAR: No beauty, by the way, and suddenly he answers an ad for a phone sex operator and they gave him the job. So -- it`s all fantasy.
HEWITT: Yes.
BEHAR: It`s all fantasy.
Now, you know, what about this business of the stripper pole?
HEWITT: Yes.
BEHAR: You learned to work out on the stripper pole.
HEWITT: I did. Which I have to say I really -- I was kind of judgmental about it. I was like -- really a stripper, like come on. And it`s hard. I mean, that`s really hard.
BEHAR: Yes.
HEWITT: These girls like work it. In ways that you can`t even imagine and -- and I was like -- I mean, I was battered and bruised by the pole. But it was great. I really -- I loved it.
BEHAR: It hurts so good.
HEWITT: Oh it was amazing.
No, but it really did sort of sexuality wise get me in touch with a part of myself that -- but I did not know about.
BEHAR: Oh.
HEWITT: And it makes you feel very strong and very powerful. It`s you sort of taking on the pole and it`s great.
BEHAR: It`s you and the pole.
HEWITT: It`s just you and your pole.
BEHAR: So you don`t even have to look that good.
HEWITT: No. You don`t.
BEHAR: Love that. Wait.
(CROSS TALKING)
BEHAR: Hold on, we`ve got to take a break.
HEWITT: Why?
BEHAR: I know. It`s a drag.
We`ll be right back with more.
HEWITT: Ok.
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BEHAR: I`m back with the charming Jennifer Love Hewitt.
Jennifer, did you research for the part of a prostitute?
HEWITT: Well, I tried -- I read a couple of books here and there and sort of studied like stats and stuff like that. But I didn`t really want to study too much about it because my character didn`t. She`s sort of thrown into that world and kind of learning as she goes. And so I decide ok, I`ll just throw myself into that world also and see what I come up with.
BEHAR: Right.
HEWITT: I didn`t do too much research.
BEHAR: Ok.
HEWITT: Yes.
BEHAR: Now, I have a couple of Twitter questions here.
HEWITT: Ok.
BEHAR: Like one of -- you broke up with Jamie Kennedy back in March. Who was he again?
HEWITT: A comedian.
BEHAR: I don`t know him. Are you dating him now?
HEWITT: No, I`m not.
BEHAR: I mean, you`re not dating him. Are you dating anyone?
HEWITT: No I`m not.
BEHAR: You`re not. You`re free.
HEWITT: I am free and clear.
BEHAR: Free again. Back to being free again.
Looking for a doctor with good needles.
HEWITT: Yes.
BEHAR: Now, here`s another funny one. Last time you were here you talked about bejazzling. That`s going to follow you, by the way.
HEWITT: Oh, my gosh, it hasn`t stopped.
BEHAR: I know. Everyone is doing it now even Snooki. Do you regret starting this trend?
HEWITT: I really didn`t need the Snooki information. You know what? I don`t regret it. But people can feel free to stop talking to me about their private parts. Like it`s ok for me to go to Vaughn`s or the grocery store without somebody coming up going, I have the jazz on.
I`m like, that`s so gross. Thank you for sharing that with me. Like, I don`t want that visual.
BEHAR: While they`re peeling up the cantaloupes, too.
HEWITT: I know. And then Kathy Griffin did it in public. She bejazzled in public.
BEHAR: She`s wacky. She`s a whack job.
HEWITT: I mean it`s a private matter, the bejazzling, people.
BEHAR: What about this Bristol Palin and Levi Johnston. They`re on the cover of "Us" magazine --
HEWITT: I know.
BEHAR: -- saying that they`re engaged now, they`re back together again.
First of all, do you believe they`re in love or what?
HEWITT: I don`t get it. I really don`t. The whole thing is kind of confusing to me. Because the words going back and -- I guess the verbal whatever was really between the mom and him.
BEHAR: Yes.
HEWITT: Mainly. So I feel like maybe she`s a bit confused and her mom was in the midst of trying to do something very public and big, obviously, so maybe she was trying to sort of appease her mother by like breaking up with him and not going out with him or something. That`s the only thing I can think of.
BEHAR: A little passive-aggressive though to get pregnant when your mom has the big anti-sex routine thing she got going.
HEWITT: Yes. I feel like she`s a bit confused. And I feel like he`s got some cojones. And I feel like -- I feel bad for Sarah Palin, though. I really do because --
BEHAR: Why?
HEWITT: Because I know that I`ve gone out with guys that my mom maybe hasn`t felt the best about. If I did something like that like so public and sort of embarrassing to her, she would feel very disrespected. And I just feel like -- let her have her reaction like in Alaska like alone instead of on the cover of "Us" magazine with all of us watching.
Like let her go scream at a moose or something and like come back and deal.
And then she was like -- what did she say? She was like she has forgiveness that most other people don`t. What does that mean?
BEHAR: That`s other people can`t forgive. She`s so self-righteous.
HEWITT: What is she suppose -- yes, it`s weird.
BEHAR: She`s always the best one. She`s Saint Sarah.
HEWITT: Yes. Not so much.
BEHAR: When are you coming back and visit me again because I feel like you`re a regular already.
HEWITT: Anytime you want. I`m not leaving really. I`m just going to stay here.
BEHAR: I love having you here.
HEWITT: I love being here.
BEHAR: You`re so cute.
HEWITT: Thank you.
BEHAR: Thank you so much for coming.
You can catch Jennifer Love Hewitt in "The Client List" premiering on Lifetime on July 19th.
Bret Michaels joins me next.
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BEHAR: In the last three months, Bret Michaels has survived an emergency appendectomy, a massive brain hemorrhage, a mini stroke, and the discovery of a hole in his heart. And yet, he won "Celebrity Apprentice," put out a new CD and they got a world tour. Why he doesn`t clean up the Gulf or wash the feet of the poor in his spare time is anybody`s guess. His new CD is called "Custom Built." I`m happy to welcome back to my show, the invincible, Bret Michaels.
BRET MICHAELS, SINGER: Thank you very much.
BEHAR: OK, Bret.
MICHAELS: I`m working on those other two, by the way. I`m going to get to those.
BEHAR: I think you should be down in the Gulf now plugging up that hole.
MICHAELS: Me and Jimmy Buffett. We`re going to fix it together.
BEHAR: He`s stoned.
MICHAELS: I know. But he`s a lot of fun. I was on stage with him the other night, and we had the best time. We did "Margaritaville" together.
BEHAR: Of course, what else would he do?
MICHAELS: Yes. It was great.
BEHAR: He has really parlayed that Margaritaville into restaurants and everything and everybody sings it.
MICHAELS: It`s unbelievable. And he`s just funny. He gets to go on stage. I though, I`ve been working way too hard. This is a -- may have been part of my hemorrhage problem. I work way too hard. Jimmy barefoot, out on stage, pulls up with the band. He`s -- hey, Bret, oh, excuse me a minute. He`s literally talking to me, walks out, and he`s playing on stage. I`m like this is a good gig. That`s a good gig.
BEHAR: So a man, (ph) did he go like man?
MICHAELS: That`s exactly right. Only for medicinal reasons, of course.
BEHAR: Of course. Now, in this new reality show you have on VH- 1, you`re basically trying to balance being a rock star and a family man. Now, aren`t those two mutually exclusive?
MICHAELS: Pretty much. So, that`s why the show is a great train wreck, you know. A little different than the other "rock of love" debauchery, which was also a great drinking, partying, and suck face train wreck. This is a different train wreck, and it shows that I can do -- I think "Celebrity Apprentice" was a great opportunity for me to do because it gave me a chance to find show, not only raise money and awareness for great cause but also shows another side of me.
BEHAR: Yes.
MICHAELS: But this one is finding balance between life on the road and my daughters. My daughters are here in New York with me right now.
BEHAR: How old are they now?
MICHAELS: They`re 10 and 5.
BEHAR: And what are their names?
MICHAELS: Rain and Georgia.
BEHAR: Rain and Georgia?
MICHAELS: Rain Elizabeth and Georgia Blue. Yes.
BEHAR: Oh, that`s so cute.
MICHAELS: So, they are a lot of energy. And being a dad, I love being a father. It`s an amazing feeling, but balancing both, and then finding that balance of being out on the road. I spend seven or eight months, you know, out on the road. And that`s what makes it tough.
BEHAR: I don`t know how you`ve been doing that with all these ailments?
MICHAELS: I`m working on that, too. I mean, I figured out that emotion stuff--
BEHAR: What`s left?
MICHAELS: I don`t have many organs left. I figure once the big one goes, then hey, they just pull the plug.
BEHAR: The brain is good now.
MICHAELS: We think the brain`s good. I have a little setback. And what happens is when I got the bleed, when I had the original bleed, the brain hemorrhage, that was a-- for me, that -- and all the things I`d been on my life, I would never bet I would have a brain hemorrhage, right? And it`s subarachnoid hemorrhage which is much more difficult to describe because if you have an aneurysm, they go in, they find the exact spot and fix it.
BEHAR: If they catch it in time.
MICHAELS: If they catch it in time.
BEHAR: And that`s a time bomb, too.
MICHAELS: That`s a tick. And the subarachnoid hemorrhage is just as dangerous to promise. They don`t always be able to detect the bleed. And that`s why I spent so much time in ICU. At first, they didn`t know the source. And that`s why they kept -- I said, I`m running out of groins. I mean, they keep going up with the angio tube. I`m going to run out of space down here, so --
BEHAR: Yes, yes.
MICHAELS: But they want to --
BEHAR: Isn`t this what killed Gary Coleman?
MICHAELS: That`s exactly what killed him. And Natasha Richardson.
BEHAR: Oh, my God. Well, hers was from a bang. I mean, she fell on her head on the ski slope.
MICHAELS: But I think Gary had the same thing. You know, I think --
BEHAR: Yes, he fell.
MICHAELS: You can have the same bleed. You can have the same bleed. It`s just detecting the bleed. I think, and the faster because I`ve been diabetic my whole life really, really in tune with my body what`s going on. And so, as soon as it happened, I knew it wasn`t a pinched nerve. I go, there`s something bad just happened.
BEHAR: Yes. Who was with you when that happened?
MICHAELS: I was at my house. And it was Christy, my girlfriend and our two daughters. And she was back in bed with them. And I literally was sitting on the couch. I was making fun of what I was watching, but let`s just say I was watching TV.
BEHAR: Yes.
MICHAELS: And all of a sudden boom, I just felt this --
BEHAR: What were you watching? I have to know.
MICHAELS: Do you really want to know?
BEHAR: Yes, I do.
MICHAELS: All right. Here`s the truth. The girls went to bed, right? So, I was just channel surfing, and I was watching -- I`m a sports fanatic. So, I`m watching a little MLB. I`m watching a little "Sports Center", and then I happened to get to the movie channels and found a little "Busty Cops 3, To Serve and Protect." So, I --
BEHAR: A porn flick.
MICHAELS: It was a terrifically awesome porn flick.
BEHAR: Really well done. Music?
MICHAELS: Terrific music. I`ve ever heard better theme music in my life. And then when they exposed the protecting and the serving is about when the hemorrhage happened.
BEHAR: Maybe, there`s a connection.
MICHAELS: Oddly enough, there is a connection. Don`t laugh. There`s a connection.
BEHAR: Seriously?
MICHAELS: To ejaculation and a hemorrhage. I don`t know what it is. But that didn`t happen. What happened was I went back to "Sports Center," luckily. No, I didn`t. But anyway, I was -- but I did not want to bleed out. And my biggest fear was not only my daughters finding me collapsed on the floor but possibly that movie repeating in the background. I was like that`s the only thing that saved my life.
BEHAR: OK. So, now, let`s work down your body. The hole in the heart. What`s up with that? Don`t get BP to plug that up and just --
MICHAELS: No, no, they`re not. Trust me, we`d be here for years. But what happens with the hole in the heart is called PFO, right? A patent foramen ovale, right? I went in. I had this warning stroke. This sounds ridiculous talking -- like after a while I`m like rat boy, the medical experiment. You know what I mean? I`m like how many more things can we -- but it`s, I went in there, and they went in looking for something again wrong with my head. And they do this air bubble test. So, you`re laying in bed, they got the IV in you. You turn this way. All my life as a diabetic, they tell you to get the air out of the syringe.
BEHAR: Oh, really?
MICHAELS: They`re pumping air into my veins, and I`m looking, I`m like, isn`t this going to kill me? Like, I`m thinking, isn`t this going to end it here for me, and they looked over and they have, you know, you`re hooked up, your heart, and you look over at the ultrasound. And you literally watch the air come up, it comes up through the vein, gets to my lungs and goes through my heart in a hole that`s in my heart. And I`m like -- I`m looking at everyone.
Everyone went from laughing and joking because I`m always joking around. I`m joking and no one else is joking any more. And I`m like, they like, yes, we have a problem here, and then all of a sudden, there`s like ten people in the room. So, that gets operated on in the (INAUDIBLE).
BEHAR: OK. So, brain hemorrhage, heart hole, diabetes, what`s the other one? There was something else that I missed? What was the other thing you had wrong with you?
MICHAELS: I`m sure there was something. I just can`t remember it. I`m re there`s something we can throw into the mix.
BEHAR: Yes. So, there`s something over here --
MICHAELS: Oh, the appendix.
BEHAR: The appendix.
MICHAELS: That`s old news.
BEHAR: That`s fixed. It was peritonitis, right?
MICHAELS: Yes.
BEHAR: Every single thing that you had could kill you instantly, except the diabetes, I guess.
MICHAELS: They`re working on that. But here`s what happened, too. When I was on tour, all this stuff that had happened, this why I try to explain to people, I`m one of these people that if they would have left me out of the hospital two days or a day after I had the hemorrhage and I was OK, I would have left because I hate being in the hospital. I`ve seen so many of them my whole life.
BEHAR: Right.
MICHAELS: And so, the strange thing is when I had the appendicitis or the emergency appendectomy in San Antonio, it made me go home. Otherwise, I was looking at the schedule. We would have been on the road somewhere, possibly, you know, in a truck stop at 11:00 at night after a show and had I not got to the hospital in time to barrow, there`s a good chance it would have killed me. So, it`s strange how the effect all happened within that what almost two-month time period.
BEHAR: Unbelievable. You know, I had a near death experience one time a long time ago.
MICHAELS: Right.
BEHAR: And it changed me a lot. For one thing, I let my hair go natural.
MICHAELS: Yes. You look beautiful.
BEHAR: Thank you.
MICHAELS: It looks great.
BEHAR: This is not my natural hair. I went back to this because it`s a while now. You know, I got over the near death.
MICHAELS: I didn`t know. You look great. Natural.
BEHAR: Anyway, how did it change you? seriously, it changed me emotionally. I got a divorce after that, in fact.
MICHAELS: Right.
BEHAR: Yes.
MICHAELS: I`m not going to ask. Should I ask? I know what the -- I`m just saying did that cause it?
BEHAR: No, I`m just saying it changes you.
MICHAELS: Yes.
BEHAR: It focuses you on the rest of your life, whatever`s left. You say, hey. And I started to be a stand-up comic because I thought how bad could it be to die on stage? I almost died.
MICHAELS: Right. Literally.
BEHAR: So, how did it change you?
MICHAELS: It was out changed (ph) me. For me, I`ve always tried to live life since I`ve been 6 years old being diabetic. I`ve always felt that I`ve lived my life to the fullest. You know, I`ve always felt like I`m out there --
BEHAR: Oh yes, I saw the tapes.
MICHAELS: You saw "Rock of Love."
BEHAR: Oh, yes, baby.
MICHAELS: All right. So -- and other things. But I`m good to people, hang out, I party with people --
BEHAR: Yes. you`re a nice guy. Everybody loves you.
MICHAELS: I love to party. And the thing is -- backstage, I`m very passionate about making music. So, I have a lot of friends, family would hang out, have a great time. I think what happened for me, what put it in perspective for me is when I had -- not so much the appendectomy, the hemorrhage. That immediately -- Christy, my girlfriend Christy --
BEHAR: Long time right?
MICHAELS: Yes, long time. On and off, just put up with me, strong woman, and went into this relationship eyes wide open, you know, knowing that I travel and do stuff. And she and my daughters were the first -- that was absolutely the first thing I thought about.
BEHAR: So, you thought family?
MICHAELS: That`s it.
BEHAR: Relationship?
MICHAELS: You know when they say there`s that one thing you think about. You know, you don`t go, man, how many more days can I do on the road or what guitar or whatever.
BEHAR: How many orgies can I do?
MICHAELS: That was the second thought I did have, you know.
BEHAR: I mean after a certain age.
MICHAELS: I`m lying. I have to think (ph) that was the third thought. The second one was get "busty cops" off the TV. And then the orgy. But yes, family first. Then orgy.
BEHAR: So, that`s what happened. That`s good. That`s good.
MICHAELS: Yes.
BEHAR: How did Christy take -- I saw the "Rock of Ages." How did Christy take all of those, you know --
MICHAELS: For the "Rock of Love, you mean."
BEHAR: Rock of love, I mean. Rock of ages? I have myself in the cemetery here. But I mean, I saw that. So, you know, there were many groupies on the tour. You`re doing some, you know, wacky behavior.
MICHAELS: Wacky?
BEHAR: You know what I mean.
MICHAELS: Yes, I do.
BEHAR: How did she take all of that?
MICHAELS: You know what, a lot better than I would have. I got to say this, when we broke up right before we did that, I turned down VH-1 the first time they came around, so I never ever done anything like that before. You know what I mean? But honestly, when they came back around, and I said, look, if you just let me go in and date and party and have fun, I said, you know, but we can use everything that`s mine. I just don`t want to use the house.
You know, as long as we can go somewhere and get a house and let`s party and date. And I think the reason the show worked it was very real. It was very fun. We went in. I told the girls right up front, I said, listen, I don`t know if anything`s going to come out of this at all other than just partying and having a good time and let`s see what happens. And I think that the reason the show, this VH-1 is number one show three years in a row. After the third year, I was good.
BEHAR: You look good.
MICHAELS: I`ll date, because I realize they`ve now learned all my lines. It sucks. Once you expose yourself, you`re screwed. Meaning literally. You`re like, I`ve given away my best stuff. And the weirdest thing is they make you date - it`s not like you`d date like one-on-one like we`d be out on a date. I`d be laying some good stuff on you.
BEHAR: Yes.
MICHAELS: There`s two other people listening to you. So, then you go, that didn`t work. Listen, ever told you to switch (ph) over. And they`re like, holy crap. I already heard this like three minutes ago. It`s awful.
BEHAR: OK, honey. Take sit right there. We have much more with Bret Michaels.
MICHAELS: I only got a couple organs left. I`m fine. I`m good.
BEHAR: We`ll see what else got (ph) wrong with those.
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BEHAR: I`m back with Bret Michaels. Bret, I must talk to you about "Celebrity Apprentice." You won.
MICHAELS: Yes. It was -- "Celebrity Apprentice" was absolutely great. For me, it was such a great turning point in my life. First of all, Donald Trump is an amazing guy. You know what I mean? And people have such a different impression than the one I got. I know he`s tough. But he`s very funny.
BEHAR: He`s very funny. Yes.
MICHAELS: And I look back into his life. I did a little due diligence before I got on the show. I`m like, you know, there`s got to be other some stuff just besides -- he`s like the rock star of real estate, but there`s got to be other things that he did or liked, and it turned out that music was one of his big passions. Just a lot of people didn`t know that.
BEHAR: He likes sports, too.
MICHAELS: Yes. Sports and I love sports and music. But, I think, he saw that I come from Pittsburgh. I come from a very blue collar family. You work real hard. There`s no self-pity. You get it done. And when I got a chance to do the show -- and I want to watch how I word this - - not that there`s any time to get a brain hemorrhage is a good time but getting sick couldn`t have come at a worst time in my life. And this is why because I already knew. I`d been in New York and fought so hard to get to the finale of "Apprentice," but obviously, there`s a break before you get to the --
BEHAR: We weren`t sure if you`d get there. We were talking about it all the time.
MICHAELS: And I was pretty sure I wasn`t going to get there. But I was determined that if I won -- if I won -- or not win, if I knew that I was going to be in the final two, I was going to do everything I could to get back after I got sick. And then I already knew I was doing "American Idol" and I knew I was doing a tour. In fact, I was in the tour when it happened. And that`s the thing for me -- there`s a song by Tim McGraw, a friend of mine, wrote it`s called "Live Like You`re Dying."
BEHAR: That`s right.
MICHAELS: That`s the way I live my life. I cannot -- I played shows, I broke my finger in the morning, played a show that night, got sick, played a show, and I just learned from family that self-pity for me doesn`t work. I laugh, I said if I had a job or a boss I hated or a job that sucked, I`d probably milked it for about two more years. You know what I mean? I mean, literally, what I said I can`t get out of bed, but I couldn`t wait to get out of the hospital.
BEHAR: Was it hard to compete on the show, you know, against Holly? She lost.
MICHAELS: Very hard.
BEHAR: Do you think you got the sympathy vote?
MICHAELS: She did the hotness dress vote. Did you see the dress she wore? I was like, I didn`t play the sympathy thing. When I get out there, I`m playing the sympathy thing. She was all low key. Bret, I`m just going to go out like this. And then she came out with that bam dress on going on. I was like --
BEHAR: She did.
MICHAELS: I was like I see what you`re doing here, and then, so I came out and I plopped down at the table and acted like I couldn`t breathe.
BEHAR: Oh, it was brilliant.
MICHAELS: Yes, it was great.
BEHAR: I`d like to do that show. You think I can play the menopause card?
MICHAELS: Exactly. I`ve been thinking about this. If you play the menopause card, yes. Let me tell you what sucked -- go back to about getting sick is that when I won "Apprentice" because I worked so hard being a lifelong diabetic and my daughter is borderline, is that getting sick has taken over talking about -- I barely talked about "Celebrity Apprentice" like, you know what I mean? Like I won it and I want to do this big campaign.
BEHAR: Yes.
MICHAELS: But I`m one of the few people that -- I got to say this -- with diet Snapple, I made that drink so it didn`t suck, it tastes great. And so, now, we`re actually going to roll something from "Apprentice" to actually going to roll out this drink, and I`m going to represent the Trop-A-Rocka and diet Snapple brand. So, it`s going to be unbelievable.
BEHAR: That`s great. So, you have a new career in a way.
MICHAELS: Yes, a diet snappleiciousness.
BEHAR: I love that. You know, as a rock star, you can go on -- look at Mick Jagger. He`s -- I mean, I went to see them at Jersey, the Rolling Stones. Firs of all, they sell out --
MICHAELS: Everywhere.
BEHAR: Handicapped parking --
MICHAELS: Right.
BEHAR: Like that.
MICHAELS: Because I was in that handicapped parking. It`s the rate I`m going.
BEHAR: So, you can go on forever is what I`m saying.
MICHAELS: Absolutely. And that`s what I`m saying, all the shows -- everything we`re doing right now is all sold out whether solo or I`m out with the band or out with poison. And it`s been a great career. And I think that`s the reason so many fans know -- they know I`m a fighter. But the bummer, like I said, being sick, is that when you get sick, sometimes it takes over, but the recovery, I think, in the middle of all the horrific things going on right now, I think, occasionally a feel-good story, I`m lucky. I`m one of the few, knock on wood, under glass.
BEHAR: Do you think you`re pushing yourself a little bit too hard?
MICHAELS: Maybe, but I don`t feel like it. I`m excited to be out there. Because I tell you, being in ICU is really depressing. And I feel -- listen, I didn`t work so hard to live to go out there and die. If I feel sick, I`ll stop.
BEHAR: Right. OK. So as soon as you feel sick --
MICHAELS: Yes, I`ll be done.
BEHAR: You`re in touch with your body. Now, what about "American Idol"? They`ve been talking about you as a possible replacement for Simon Cowell. You`re too really not like him at all. You`re sweet, he`s not sweet.
MICHAELS: Here`s the thing. Let me say this, Simon Cowell, what happened was that night, no one had talked to me at all about being a judge on "American Idol".
BEHAR: The night you were there?
MICHAELS: The night I was there. We got done. It was great. You know, I felt like it was a great performance. We cut the song in half because I wasn`t quite all there yet. But the performance was great. The audience, it was the only standing ovation we got in the night, which was killer. And what happened with Simon Cowell made a really nice comment after the show. He just said, Bret would be a great replacement. He`s lived this life. And listen, I think the biggest mistake "American Idol" can make whether they choose me or not, Simon Cowell is an original, brutally honest, but an original. He made that show great.
BEHAR: Yes, he did. And I don`t know if it can survive without him.
MICHAELS: And I`m telling you, I feel that they won`t -- will not survive without him if they try to replace him with someone that`s a knockoff of Simon Cowell. I think if they put someone on that show --
BEHAR: Do you want to do it?
MICHAELS: I would love to do it.
BEHAR: You would?
MICHAELS: I would really bring it to the table.
BEHAR: You`re saying it here.
MICHAELS: Yes, I`m saying, I would love to do it. I think I passionately love music. And watching people perform and play I can say --
BEHAR: What would you say to somebody like that hung kid, what`s that kid`s name, Bill Hung (ph)?
MICHAELS: The one that was kind of a joke, right? Here is the thing, I would say exactly what to say, dude, that is (EXPLETIVE WORD) that`s (EXPLETIVE WORD) hilarious, bro. No, I would say, dude, that is (EXPLETIVE WORD) hilarious is what I would say. But let me just say this, to add to that, I`d say, here`s the down side, right? The down side is that it`s a novelty act, and it`s a one-trick pony and that he`s wasted a lot of talented people`s time. That`s what I would say. I`d say good luck, have fun, but you`re wasting some people that have some talent.
BEHAR: OK. We`re going to have (ph) more with Bret.
MICHAELS: Oh-oh.
BEHAR: When we come back in just --
MICHAELS: You see, I`m (INAUDIBLE) guy.
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BEHAR: And I`m back with Bret McMichaels.
MICHAELS: Mcmichaels?
BEHAR: Because I`m humming, humming (ph)
MICHAELS: It`s Bret McMichaels.
BEHAR: No, I have Miley Cyrus on my brain.
MICHAELS: Understood.
BEHAR: So, it was like mo-ma.
MICHAELS: I get it.
BEHAR: Now, you did a song called "Nothing to Lose" for GMA with her. Yes, you did a diet with her?
MICHAELS: Yes.
BEHAR: And it`s a sexy song --
MICHAELS: Wait.
BEHAR: Very sexy song, wait, let me finish the sentence. And one of the lyrics, you ask her to slowly get undressed. The girl is 17. Do you want to be arrested?
MICHAELS: I do want to be arrested, but not for that. There`s other things. I`ve got a bevy of things I could be arrested for, but not that.
BEHAR: OK. Not that one.
MICHAELS: No.
BEHAR: Especially not with George Stephanopoulos watching.
MICHAELS: No, no. It`s just weird. You know what I mean? It`s just weird. Let me put this into proper perspective. The song Miley`s recutting is my song "Every Rose Has Its Thorn." She`s redoing it. When we were in the studio redoing "Every Rose Has Its Thorn," I was next door (INAUDIBLE) and I was also mixing down my record "Nothing to Lose." Miley`s a big fan of Stevie Nicks. And I wrote and produced a bunch of stuff for Stevie Nicks. So, I brought her over and I said, Miley, you wanted to hear the song? Tell me what you think. She was with her boyfriend, Liam, her mom, her whole entourage, right?
BEHAR: Chaperones.
MICHAELS: So, I just want to make sure it wasn`t me and her singing soulfully into each other`s eyes, the song, you know.
BEHAR: But that doesn`t help her. She`s in trouble as it is.
MICHAELS: The lyric doesn`t say -- I`m saying slowly gets undressed, and she goes, yes, she does. She`s just singing harmony. There`s no sexy duet. She did a really good job. It`s a shame, like my ailments -- and I mean ailments, plural -- like my ailments, it took away from what was a great song. It entered the charts at number three.
BEHAR: You mean people mentioning it. It took a while.
MICHAELS: No. It took a while. The song came out and the song skyrocketed. And then all of a sudden, all these people -- not all these people but one blog actually started this whole thing. And I said, look, me and Miley are friends. I said, that`s it.
BEHAR: OK. It`s more of really her issue, too. And if she gets bad publicity because --.
MICHAELS: Here`s the thing with Miley, too. I stick up for her in a sense. She`s a female -- I call rite of passage. At some point, you`re going to grow up, you know. She can make that move, but she can`t stay as a child forever.
BEHAR: I know. But why do these girls have to go from like a kid to -- right into like, you know, sort of like this trampy mode? They do that now.
MICHAELS: I don`t know.
BEHAR: Isn`t there a segue (ph)?
MICHAELS: Because when they get to 21 or 22, you have to rehearse for "Rock of Love." So, there`s a period of rehearsal.
BEHAR: You, you, you.
MICHAELS: I`m good.
BEHAR: You`re good. Let me ask you, at least, one twitter question from our viewers.
MICHAELS: Please, uh-oh.
BEHAR: Are your daughters showing any interest in showbiz? Someone wants to know?
MICHAELS: Absolutely. They were on stage with me in Pittsburgh. And my home town, 18,000 people sold out, and it was awesome. They came up and sang "Nothing but the Good Time." The can play the guitar.
BEHAR: So, they`re in the showbiz thing already?
MICHAELS: They love playing music.
BEHAR: OK. Would you consider being a contestant on "Dancing with the Stars"?
MICHAELS: Let`s just say if you`ve ever seen me dance, the answer would be no and no.
BEHAR: Can you dance better than Kate Gosselin? That`s all you need.
MICHAELS: I suck.
BEHAR: And she didn`t?
MICHAELS: No, I make Kate look like Deney Terrio, because I`m like --
BEHAR: Oh, my God, what a flashback.
MICHAELS: I`m just throwing it out there because I`m 21, I barely remember, but it`s --.
BEHAR: Yes, right. All right. Bret, it was so wonderful to see you.
MICHAELS: Thank you.
BEHAR: It`s wonderful to see that you`re in great health again and you`re on a roll again and you`re a terrific guy.
MICHAELS: And I just want to say this to you before I leave, sincerely. You sent a really nice message to me when I was sick in the hospital. And I want to say this away from any of the showbiz stuff, you`re very sincere and very nice.
BEHAR: I was sincere about that.
MICHAELS: No, you`re very real, so thank you.
BEHAR: I appreciate you.
MICHAELS: You got it.
BEHAR: Thanks very much. His new album "Custom Built" is out now. Good night, everybody.
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