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President Obama on "The View"; Where is Kyron Horman?
Aired July 29, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HLN HOST: Tonight President Obama pays a visit to "The View" and says he has no idea who Snooki is. That`s only fair because she doesn`t know who he is either.
Then I`ll talk to a woman who says she can think herself to orgasm. Wow, does it really work? Wait a second. No.
And Chelsea Clinton is getting married this weekend under a shroud of secrecy. Even the guest list hasn`t been released. Hey, Chelsea, it`s not too late. Invite me and this could be yours.
Well, President Obama was on "The View" this morning and I asked him why his administration doesn`t control the narrative more particularly after so many legislative successes. In case you missed it, this is what he said.
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BEHAR: The right wing through Fox News and other outlets, they seem to be hijacking the narrative. Where on your side is the narrative? Where is your attack dog to come out and tell the American people, listen, this is what we did?
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Joy, that`s your job.
BEHAR: Well, I do it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: So John Boehner, be careful. I haven`t had my shots yet.
Joining me now to talk about the President`s historic appearance on daytime TV are Ben Stein, conservative columnist and author; plus Lizz Winstead, comedian and co-producer of "The Daily Show".
Ok, so, let`s go to Ben because he`s out there somewhere. Ben, what did you think of the interview? How did you think he did?
BEN STEIN, CONSERVATIVE COLUMNIST: I thought he did brilliantly well. I was extremely impressed. I think he was absolutely at the top of his game. And I think it`s overdue. He should have been on "The View" as President sooner. But I think he did absolutely a tip top.
He`s a politician so, I think he claimed credit for some things that perhaps were done by other people and he was perhaps a little more optimistic about the economy than he should be. But he did overall a spectacularly good job.
BEHAR: What about you? What did you think?
LIZZ WINSTEAD, CO-CREATOR, "THE DAILY SHOW": I thought it was great. And I thought -- I mean I wish that he -- I wish you would have pressed him a little more when he said that was your job, Joy because there is -- he needs people to actually make sure that when they get a Breitbart kind of attack that they can treat it with the respect it deserves, which is zero.
But you do a good attack dog job, I think.
BEHAR: Well, I like him.
WINSTEAD: I know.
BEHAR: I think he`s doing a great job. I don`t know if Ben agrees with this. I think that he`s done a remarkable job I mean considering what he was handed particularly because of the past administration which was just horrendous.
STEIN: He was handed a very bad hand. We were in the midst of two wars, one of them the Afghanistan war had been handled unbelievably badly. Just so badly it`s one for the record books. The recession was in no way whatsoever his fault.
I think he was mistaken in claiming that the TARP plan will rescue the largest banks was his idea. That was an idea by Mr. Paulson who was the Republican secretary of the treasury. I think he`s somewhat mistaken in his optimism about Afghanistan. I hope he`s right but I think he`s somewhat mistaken. And I think rescuing the auto companies was also in the works before he took over.
But all in all, I think the real problem is the stimulus package, they`ve spent several hundred billion dollars. The results are extremely difficult to find. Other than that -- I have to say I was watching and I was just awestruck at what a good job he did. I kept thinking the Republicans have nobody who can compare with him on TV.
BEHAR: That`s right. There is no one. That`s the problem for the Republicans. They don`t have a charismatic figure like this. He`s so calm, unflustered and totally a gentleman.
STEIN: He was amazing.
BEHAR: He had great humor. He was relaxed.
STEIN: He was among friends, joy. He was among friends.
BEHAR: That`s true. Well, Elisabeth Hasselbeck is a Republican. He wasn`t 100 percent among friends.
STEIN: She was being very polite. She has been very polite.
BEHAR: Yes.
WINSTEAD: Who wants to hang around with John Boehner? You might get him on you. It`s like a problem.
BEHAR: There`s like a stain.
STEIN: What I kept thinking is that he would get the same -- he got the same kind of reception from you that, say, Sarah Palin would get at the National Rifle Association. He was among friends. He was happy. He was calm.
But he`s a brilliant, brilliant speaker and a brilliant politician. It`s just astonishing. He is a major credit to Harvard Law School. I just -- I think -- it`s just astonishing how good he is on TV. It`s astonishing.
BEHAR: I want to show you a lighter part of the interview. Then we can go after other stuff. Watch this.
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BEHAR: Do you know that Lindsay Lohan is in jail?
OBAMA: I actually know that, yes.
BEHAR: You knew that?
OBAMA: I do.
BEHAR: Should Snooki run as mayor of Wasilla?
OBAMA: I got to admit I don`t know who Snooki is.
BEHAR: You don`t know any pop culture, which is good news.
OBAMA: I knew Lindsay was in jail.
BEHAR: How did you know that?
OBAMA: I don`t know.
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BEHAR: You know, I once had a shrink who didn`t know who Frankie Avalon was and I paid her extra money because of that. I appreciate that.
WINSTEAD: How old was your shrink?
BEHAR: She was old. She`s dead.
The other thing about it is that he did sort of know who Snooki was because he did a joke about her on the Correspondents` Dinner.
WINSTEAD: But I have had television hosts that have worked for me who didn`t know what they were saying and they just spit it out brilliantly. There are people who can say things they don`t know what they`re saying and they`re good at it.
I think it`s a little creepy to not know about Snooki because they take over the news cycle.
BEHAR: Maybe he should read John McCain`s Twitter posts because he corresponds with Snooki.
WINSTEAD: I know.
BEHAR: That could be. Elisabeth asked him about jobs. Let`s watch that. Then we`ll talk about jobs.
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ELISABETH HASSELBECK, CO-HOST, "THE VIEW": How can you continue and your administration continue to say you are saving jobs when in fact people are losing jobs?
OBAMA: Actually, Elisabeth, what`s happened is we`ve gained private sector jobs for the last five months. So we were losing jobs when I was sworn in as I said 750,000 jobs per month.
HASSELBECK: I think the perceived is what`s troubling people.
OBAMA: It makes a difference, though, if your job is one of the ones that`s saved.
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WINSTEAD: She`s a darling girl. I often don`t understand what she`s talking about --
BEHAR: Well, she`s worried about jobs.
STEIN: She`s right about this with respect -- with great respect to both of you, she`s right about this. The concept of an economic stimulus package saving jobs is very, very troublesome. It`s like trying to step on Jell-O. It`s extremely difficult to calculate this.
I think he`s totally right. A number of civil service jobs were saved. He`s totally right about that. But to say how many private sector jobs would have been lost without the stimulus package that`s almost impossible to quantify.
WINSTEAD: That`s not what she was saying.
STEIN: I think it was with all due respect.
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WINSTEAD: I don`t know.
BEHAR: You don`t have to be that respectful, Ben. It`s me.
WINSTEAD: It`s me, Ben. She was saying the concept of saved jobs was troubling. And I think that maybe it was her phrasing of it but it sounded ridiculous.
STEIN: No, no. I don`t think so. She meant the idea of saying you can calculate how many jobs have been saved as opposed to how many are adding. I think she is saying that there is no bureau of labor metrics for jobs saved. It`s a very, very dicey issue --
WINSTEAD: If we have to explain what Elisabeth Hasselbeck was saying, that`s like a daily occurrence.
BEHAR: But I don`t -- that`s unfair. She`s a bright kid. Leave her alone.
But I mean the thing about it is that --
STEIN: Good for you Joy.
WINSTEAD: Well, she has to defend her. I don`t. She`s your friend.
BEHAR: She`s my friend. I get along great with her. The show can`t work without the two of us sparring in a certain way or two people like us.
STEIN: You`re very good at --
(CROSS TALKING)
BEHAR: Yes. Whatever.
But anyway, what she was saying -- what he was trying to say is that there still are more jobs than we were losing before, right?
WINSTEAD: Yes.
STEIN: That`s absolutely true. But the idea of saying that that`s because of the stimulus package, that`s extremely difficult to quantify or absolutely connect cause and effect. It`s very, very difficult to do. That is something that economists generally don`t think they can do.
By the way, as I was watching, I was saying there`s a brilliant woman economist who is the council of economics adviser chair for Mr. Obama, Christine Romer. I don`t know if you`d had her on "The View". She`s somebody you should have on. She is really, really a great economist and knows her stuff about what`s going on in economy.
BEHAR: All right. But you know, something that you said about unemployment benefits, Ben, I have to read. "The people who have been laid off and cannot find work are generally people with poor work habits and poor personalities." So only people with good personalities have jobs? What about Karl Rove and Dick Cheney?
STEIN: This is an Internet myth that`s gotten around. This is an Internet myth that`s gotten around largely thanks to you. I said at the beginning of that piece I`m talking about within my small circle of friends. I didn`t say -- I said very specifically the same is probably not true nationwide but within my small circle of friends in Hollywood, people who can`t get jobs or can`t keep jobs are generally people with personality problems or don`t have good work habits. I`m talking maybe ten people.
BEHAR: So you`re talking about your friends.
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WINSTEAD: But, Ben, I have to commend you a little bit because you did just come out and say, wow, I never knew anybody affected by a recession until now because I don`t really know anybody in Ohio and stuff like that. I commend you on just being honest about that and caring so much that the mega rich have now been bumped down to super rich.
STEIN: My friends are not the mega rich. My friends are just generally people who have studio jobs --
BEHAR: And have bad personalities apparently.
STEIN: And they have a very hard time keeping jobs largely because of personality issues. That is a shame. And by the way, they won`t see this show because they all sleep until 2:00 or 3:00 in the afternoon, so that won`t be a problem.
WINSTEAD: If they have studio jobs in Hollywood they should be laid off because, boy, have you seen the movies out lately? Ouch.
STEIN: I couldn`t agree more.
BEHAR: Thank you so much, you guys. I wish we could go on with this but I guess we`re out of time. If you`re in New York catch Lizz`s birthday show at Comics on August 5th, isn`t it?
Up next, legendary animal man Jack Hanna was taking a leisurely hike with his wife when three grizzlies got a little too close for comfort. We`ll give you the full report, next.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up a little later on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, the latest on the case of missing Oregon 7-year-old, Kyron Horman.
And Lindsay Lohan could be out of jail as early as Sunday. But will she obey a judge`s order and go straight to rehab?
Now back to Joy.
BEHAR: Jack Hanna of the Columbus Zoo and the host of "Jack Hanna`s Into the Wild" narrowly escaped harm over the weekend when he came face to face with three grizzlies while hiking in Montana`s Glacier National Park. Can I just point out? You never hear of anyone being mauled by a grizzly in the lobby of the Sheraton. Just saying.
Here now from the Flat Head Lake Lodge in Montana here is Jack Hanna. Hey, Jack, good to see you.
JACK HANNA, DIRECTOR EMERITUS, COLUMBUS ZOO: Hi, how are you doing? Good to see you all.
BEHAR: You have been hiking there many times over the years. Had you ever seen a bear there before?
HANNA: Oh, yes. Over 30 years I`ve seen many, many bears in Glacier. I always keep my distance. That is what you have to learn when you`re hiking Glacier or any national park or where animals are without feeling Africa. You keep your distance. You give the animal respect.
And you must remember one thing. It`s called the animal space and your space. When you cross into each other`s space, that`s where the problems start happening.
We just happened to be hiking up the glacier which is our favorite hike, we`ve done it many time. We were late up there that day and coming down the trail. Actually we came down right behind a couple of people that had taken our pictures and stuff. We were 15 minutes behind them. They went around one of the corners.
There are three parts of that trail that have a drop-off of 500,000 feet on one side. I don`t know. It`s way down there because the trail is cut into the mountain. You have a cliff or wall here. So the young 18- year-old girl and her parents came around this way as I was coming down. They said there`s a bear in the trail. She said we`ve got to step over against the wall.
You can`t do that because the bears can`t have just five feet to walk by and thousands drop-off. Someone is going to get mauled. So the point was -- I don`t know why. I said everybody get behind me, keep talking. Don`t alarm the bear. Walk backward.
I pulled out my pepper spray like this, took the emergency lever off and pointed it, just in case. Everything was going fine. For about 4 minutes we backed up we found a little field there, a little meadow with steep hill and climbed up that, got against the wall so nothing could get behind us.
The mother went by with one of the yearlings 150 pounds or so. It walked by. The other one stopped and just looked at us and just looked there. All of a sudden his hair raised up and started coming at me. I didn`t want to squirt it with the bear spray because I didn`t want the mother to hear it might squeal or something and come after us. That would have been a big problem.
I waited until about 20 feet and I went like this -- like that. And I`m sorry. This is how it is. This is a practice one and it won`t alarm. But that`s the noise that makes them -- it goes 20 to 30 feet. Then it got within 15 feet again -- then it got within just 10 feet of my face and I went bam, like that.
And guided the face he just pull it on like this and took off. So that`s my bear story.
BEHAR: Wow. That`s some bear story. It`s interesting that they call the bear a yearling when it`s a like a teenager, is that was a teenager bear?
HANNA: See there, you`ve said it correctly. What happened is -- notice it was happening I wouldn`t worry about 150-pound bear taking out 5 people. That`s not the point. It`s a point I didn`t want to spray the bear because I didn`t want to do anything I wasn`t supposed to do. But if you listen to all the rangers, you know, I had no choice.
Now, that bear had been around the mountain for a long time. It`s older than this year`s cub, brand new cubs. Then you have a major, major problem. But it`s a like a teenager like you said. This little guy`s been around a long, he`s getting ready to leave home. So that`s why she just went on her way. And that`s what we -- and it was a male, too -- just trying to show his oomph that he could do something like this.
Well hopefully this bear spray helped a great deal and other people that hike should take. And don`t have a fear of going hiking in Glacier or anywhere because these animals are phenomenal creatures. You keep your distance, yes. Did it actually happen yesterday? It sure did, a terrible thing happened.
BEHAR: Yes.
HANNA: And that`s like lightning hitting twice.
BEHAR: Right. Well, there`s no chance that I`m going hiking in any park near a bear. So don`t worry about me. I don`t do that. I`m a city girl.
HANNA: Yes, but trust me --
BEHAR: I only like cement and subways and --
HANNA: No, you come out with me and I`ll show you a different world.
BEHAR: I`m scared to go out. But of course you have your pepper spray but you would have been a goner without that pepper spray.
Didn`t you do a PSA, encouraging hikers to carry pepper spray just two weeks ago even though you`ve never had to use it? Did you jinx yourself there?
HANNA: Exactly. Isn`t that amazing? Spectrum Productions and myself -- our production company donate our time for the Glacier Park and the other parks and Gary Moses (ph) and the top rangers up there help me and help me a lot about two weeks ago.
A lot of stuff he said to me, I remember in my mind in a millisecond.
Now what happened in -- if you don`t mind I`d like to tell what happened the Yellow Stone night before last because it`s a terrible thing what happened there and my condolences go to the family. It really does because --
BEHAR: Yes.
HANNA: I`ve camped there before. I lived there for 12 years about 32 miles from that site. What happened there and I`ve tried to talked with top bear people in this country and all of us seem to agree that even though (INAUDIBLE) you just helped the bear about two hours ago.
BEHAR: What are they going to do to the bear?
(CROSS TALKING)
BEHAR: What do they do to the bear?
HANNA: Well, right now, they think they have the right bear. There are three bears that were caught in that area that were trapped last night. Because the bear usually returns right to where he`s done something the night before.
And I`ve filmed this before, by the way, last year when a bear got into a chicken pen. They usually return to the site.
Can you believe that? This is amazing. That bear came -- I guess she had three cubs -- the one they think that did it. Came in and went to the exact same tent because they had the tents still there with the crime scene, obviously. The bear went to the exact same tent they went the night before and then started to (INAUDIBLE). Can you imagine that? That`s how intelligent --
All I know is, why do serial killers -- why do certain things happen in our society, the human society. In the animal society the same thing happens and that`s what we think happened because everybody was sleeping so there was nobody trying to hurt the cubs. They put all their food up, they`re doing everything right. It just was the little things like lightning hitting twice.
BEHAR: But the girl whose arm the bear was chewing on -- she played dead. Was that the right thing for her to do?
HANNA: You know something? I heard that. I will tell you something. That girl is amazing. She did exactly what to do. She`d read a book on what to do when a bear would attack -- I know that`s hard for you to understand but ask me, what would happen to this pepper spray for example when I would hit it like that. What would have happened if that bear kept coming around the pepper spray?
What would happen is simply, I would have gone like this with my hand. It would have been a hard thing to do, protect your face --
BEHAR: Yes.
HANNA: That bear -- the bears aren`t really interested in me. That bear would have batted me around, taken some bites or two and you just fall to the ground, 90 percent of the time -- I`m not saying all the time -- but your chances are the bear would walk away because the bear is not there to consume you. The bear is there to say, hey, I`m the boss, I`m going to move on now.
It`s kind of -- it`s very difficult but that`s what I`m telling you. That woman did a great job. It`s amazing. Saved her life.
BEHAR: Amazing. Yes indeed. I`m not going to be in bear country very soon but if I do go, I want you or Sarah Palin to come with me, ok?
HANNA: Ok.
BEHAR: Thanks very much, Jack.
Up next, HLN`s Jane Velez-Mitchell will be here on the latest for the search for missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman.
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BEHAR: The search for missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman continues as the boy`s mother tells "People" magazine she believes her son is alive but claims that stepmom stashed him somewhere. What does she know?
Here with the latest is Jane Velez-Mitchell, host of HLN`s "ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL".
Jane, that`s kind of a weird claim that the stepmom stashed the boy someplace. Do you know anything about it?
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST, "ISSUES": Well, the biological mother naturally wants to hope that her son is alive.
BEHAR: Of course.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: So that`s natural. But, also, there`s no physical evidence in this case that this boy has been killed. There is no clothing found.
For example in the Casey Anthony case she allegedly asked a neighbor, "Can I borrow your shovel?" In the Drew Peterson disappearance of his wife, he was moving a blue canister allegedly that was warm to the touch. Was there a body in there?
Nothing like that in this case. This boy appears to have vanished into thin air while walking towards a classroom.
BEHAR: But doesn`t that happen a lot with missing children where they just disappear into thin air?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, there`s a lot of missing kids but 99.99 percent do turn up and it`s that very small amount that are usually stranger abductions or some kind of custody dispute.
BEHAR: So the father had said that -- he said, quote, "I know that Terri" -- the stepmother -- "I think it`s a plan and I think she`s still executing a plan."
What kind of a plan does he think she had?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, there`s all sorts of bizarre things that have come up. For example, there are reports -- the missing boy`s dad claims that Terri, the stepmother who basically lost his child has paid $350,000 to hire this high-powered criminal defense attorney and he wants to know where the heck did she get that money.
Now her defense team says that`s wildly exaggerated. But Joy, even if it was half that, $150,000, where does an unemployed housewife get $150,000 to hire a high-powered attorney.
BEHAR: Well, I ask you, where did she get it? Where do you think she`d get it?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, nobody knows. And that`s --
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BEHAR: She had it stolen? She`s got a lover who gives her money or something like that?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: There has been wild speculation. Number one, could she have sold her story to the tabloids? Wow, that is a sinister thought to think about that this child`s missing and she sold the story. We don`t know that, but that`s just one --
BEHAR: She would only do that if she didn`t do the deed -- the dirty deed.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: You never know with people these days.
And the other possibility -- some people have even wondered, could she have sold the child? Because there are so many people who are desperate for a child -- so that would dovetail with the whole idea that the child`s stashed somewhere.
BEHAR: Well, could they possibly -- this is so awful -- could they have like taken the kid out of the country to sell him to sex slavery with --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.
BEHAR: That would be disappearing in thin air -- something like that.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Exactly. Exactly.
BEHAR: But he still had to get on a plane -- somebody would have picked up something.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, this is why this case has captivated the entire country. It`s captivated the entire country because how does a child disappear into thin air while walking toward his classroom and never making it inside the classroom?
BEHAR: Ok, now the police held a press conference this week but they said nothing. Why is there no information coming from the cops?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well -- and all the reporters and furious. Some of them even cried out why the heck did you hold a news conference if you`re not going to say anything.
BEHAR: Right. Good question.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: What they`re doing is they`re using the biological parents as sort of mouthpieces. So instead of holding a news conference and saying we think that Terri, the stepmom, tried to hire a hitman to rub out her husband months before the little boy disappeared -- they tell that the little boy`s dad and then the dad puts it in some kind of legal motion. And that`s how we`re hearing about it.
BEHAR: I see. And do you think an arrest is imminent?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I hope so because honestly, this case is taking us all a-flutter here. It makes no sense.
BEHAR: Ok. Thanks Jane, very much.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you.
BEHAR: Watch Jane on "ISSUES" right here on HLN every night at 7:00 for the latest on the search for Kyron.
Back in a minute.
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BEHAR: Lindsay Lohan will reportedly be getting out of prison as early as Sunday where she was serving 20 minutes to life. Joining me from Hollywood is Lauren Sanchez, weekend anchor for "Extra." Lauren what do you know about these reports that Lindsay is getting out Sunday?
LAUREN SANCHEZ, WEEKEND ANCHOR, "EXTRA": OK. This is kind of the deal. She`s expected to be released from prison like you said Sunday or Monday. Now everyone is kind of guessing it`s going to be Sunday just because of the whole press factor. On Monday you`d have like every local station there going live. Not to mention the national ones. So on Sunday you kind of cut the circus in half. And I think it`s almost that certain she won`t have the luxury of, you know, having those 24 hours to like kind of get her stuff together and then go into rehab. I think the judge is going to say, you know what, Lindsay, you`re going from jail straight to rehab.
BEHAR: Uh huh but we`re also seeing that Lindsay has put her hair and makeup person on stand-by from late Thursday through the weekend. What do you know about that?
SANCHEZ: well I think that`s why Lindsay wants the 24 hours before she goes into rehab, is she kind of wants that -- she wants to get her hair done. You know her roots are coming through. She has been there for a little while. And I don`t know if you know this. She got to actually keep her hair extensions while she`s in jail. Usually they take them out but because hers were glued in and so close to her scalp, the Lynnwood facility says you know what, it`s not even worth it, just leave them in. Well a lot of people couldn`t believe this. They were like going crazy at the jail that she actually got to keep her hair extensions in. So I wouldn`t doubt that she has her hair and makeup people on staff ready to go when she gets out.
BEHAR: What do you know about the rehab facility? Is it nice?
SANCHEZ: Yes. I mean they`re saying that she`s going to get her treatment somewhere in California. It still remains to be seen if the judge is going to give Lindsay that day or two of freedom. But she gets to pick the facility - you know a list of facilities out here. And then the court will say, OK, this one is OK. We`re hearing that she`s going for like an alternative rehab facility because she can pay for it. You have to remember she does have her S.A.G. insurance which helps with that but her handlers are desperately trying to find the right rehabilitation facility for her. And some are saying like an alternative approach that focuses on diet and exercise. But this is the deal. The one at the top of the list is the Malibu Rehab Facility. And I looked it up. And they have cooking classes on Sunday from chefs from Cordon Bleu. They`re treated to gourmet meals every day. They have ocean and canyon view rooms and let`s not forget, they do have that 12-step program. They do get visitors but I`m telling you right now I could use a little rehab.
BEHAR: I`ll tell you right now. I`m going to become an alcoholic. I mean really.
SANCHEZ: It`s unbelievable!
BEHAR: Her lawyer said that when Lindsay gets out, she`s going to surprise you all. Now, what is she talking about?
SANCHEZ: Well, I am hoping that she`s saying she`s going to surprise us with, you know, she`s changed, she`s a changed woman. Her lawyer also said she looked beautiful in jail and she`s doing some art and she`s eating twizzlers. Don`t quite get it.
BEHAR: She`s eating twizzlers?
SANCHEZ: Eating twizzlers.
BEHAR: Does she have a twizzlor mule bringing them?
SANCHEZ: She probably does, I wouldn`t doubt that, by the way. And you know a lot of people are actually sending her candy and a lot of fans. Lynnwood jail is saying you guys have to stop. She has enough because you`re allowed to sends snacks to some of the prisoners there. But who knows. It`s kind of crazy. But hopefully she`ll come out and she won`t surprise us by anything. She`ll just be silent and go to rehab and get the help she needs. And maybe that will be the big surprise.
BEHAR: OK and we hope so. Well anyway, thanks, Lauren. Thank you very much.
And now turning more to a more festive story, Chelsea Clinton is getting married Saturday. In what the Clintons are describing a low-key affair? Really? Then why is the whole friggin` world talking about it. I don`t know who is on the guest list but I know one person who won`t be attending. Take a look.
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PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES: You know, I was not invited because I think that Hillary and Bill properly want to keep this as a thing for Chelsea and her soon-to-be husband. And I am going to have the exact - - I`m letting you guys know now, y`all probably will not be invited to Malia`s wedding or Sasha`s wedding.
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BEHAR: OK so Obama is out but who is in? Here to dish on all the juicy details are political reporter Patrick Gavin, and wedding planner Colin Cowie. You know Patrick, you`ve been reporting on Chelsea`s wedding. And what about that? Isn`t that a dis against the president. I would have invited him. I mean, why not? Why wasn`t he invited?
PATRICK GAVIN, REPORTER, POLITICO: Well I think what is most interesting, is you know, they`re right that Chelsea said only friends of either myself or Marc Mezvinsky get to go. But it`s not as if it`s just a bunch college buddies. I mean you have potentially Steven Spielberg being there, Ted Turner, John Major, Oprah Winfrey.
BEHAR: Are those close friends - wait are those close friends of Chelsea? I don`t think so.
GAVIN: I mean there is close friends with parents, I have no doubt that Chelsea is obviously spent time with them. So they have probably grown close to each other. But the reality is I don`t think they would be that much of a stretch if the Obama`s were to get invited. But I do think, you know, anytime the president of the United States show up, it stop really becoming about you. So when you have Obama being there, even though obviously Chelsea`s father is a former president himself -
BEHAR: But I guess he has to be in there -
GAVIN: Yes, right. But having Obama might suck a little bit of the air out of the room, which of course, no bride would ever not.
BEHAR: I guess not, do you agree with that? What do you think?
COLIN COWIE, WEDDING PLANNER: I think absolutely he should be invited. Because it is all about Chelsea. It is Chelsea`s day and she wanted sort of a couple with her friends. Then Hillary and Bill, they wanted their close friends to come. And if the president were to come, it would be wripped open, they would be tasting the food.
BEHAR: Right.
COWIE: The attention would be on him and not on her.
BEHAR: That`s true except I think that they should have extended the invitation and he could have said that. I don`t want - you know the attention to be on me et cetera. Like you said, but to not invite him, excuse me, Hillary, you work for him. OK. Now -
COWIE: I`m glad we got that out of the way.
BEHAR: Yes. Now the venue is rumored to be what they call Astoria Court Estates in Rhinebeck which is a beautiful neighborhood, art galleries, antiques, lesbians. What do you know about that area.
COWIE: I haven`t been to the gallery. I don`t know about the contents of the gallery. But it looks like an esteem present estate. I believe it is 50 acres of it where they can make sure it is secure. And it`s very important because when you do a very high profile event like this -
BEHAR: Yes.
COWIE: The bounce on the pictures is very high. And the only way you can stop them from getting those pictures is to get the helicopters out of the way. And President Clinton is the only one who could get closed on the air space.
BEHAR: That`s true.
COWIE: So the air space has been closed down from three p.m. until 3 a.m. in the morning.
BEHAR: OK Patrick, what do you know about the people of Rhinebeck being angry about all this? Is that just baloney or is it true?
GAVIN: I surely think that it is a bit over exaggerated. Let`s be honest, who, at least here in D.C., who even knew about Rhinebeck before this wedding was announced except - there are some people who are annoyed by the - the attention, by the security, by the paparazzi, by the reporters. But the reality is they are getting a lot of, not only attention, but a lot of money in some of the local hotels. There was one story about another couple that is getting married in the same town on the same day. And they are complaining. And I guess that is sort of understandable. But if you ever thought you were going to one up Chelsea Clinton on wedding, you are a little fool hearty.
BEHAR: Uh huh.
GAVIN: So - I mean there are a few people who are complaining but the reality is I think most people in town are very flattered to have the kind of attention that they are getting.
BEHAR: Right, let the kid have her day. I understand that she is a vegetarian. And the wine is from the Clinton vineyards. I didn`t even - did you know that the Clintons` had a vineyard?
COWIE: No they don`t have a vineyard. They just happen to be the same name.
BEHAR: Oh.
COWIE: Yes and I believe it will be a vegan New York style menu.
BEHAR: Oh, how annoying.
COWIE: So they will probably have some vegan for the first two courses -
BEHAR: Who wants to go to a wedding with vegans or vigans (ph)? Does vegetables -
GAVIN: Bill Clinton`s had a lot of heart issues, I think that might play a role.
BEHAR: Yes but for the hundreds -
GAVIN: No beef or -
BEHAR: Excuse me the 400 guests did not have open heart surgery.
COWIE: No Joy I think they are doing - if they are doing a three course or a four course meal, the first might be a salad or a soup or a risotto or a pasta -
BEHAR: Yes.
COWIE: And might have a protein for the main course.
BEHAR: What would be the protein - tofu?
COWIE: It could be steak -
BEHAR: Tofu?
COWIE: Or a lobster or a fabulous piece of fish.
BEHAR: That`s not vegan.
COWIE: Well I don`t think it`s an all vegan menu -
BEHAR: Is it all vegan Patrick?
COWIE: I heard it was vegan inspired.
BEHAR: Inspired -
GAVIN: No I don`t think it`s going to be all vegan, obviously Chelsea is a vegetarian. She also doesn`t like to eat any gluten or she has to have gluten free -
BEHAR: Oh not again, I`m so sick of that gluten free -
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BEHAR: Oh gees. I`m going to come up with a food allergy so I can lose weight. Because all of these people create these allergies for themselves and the next thing you know, they are skinny.
COWIE: -- gluten -
BEHAR: Yes. They merge it to everything, wheat. Go to any nutritionist, they will tell you are allergic to wheat. Everyone of them will tell you the same thing.
COWIE: Because the thing taste like carboard.
BEHAR: Yes, I know. Now, the port o potties, let`s discuss the port o potties. I understand they cause $1,500 each?
COWIE: No that`s for the whole trailer. But OK -
BEHAR: Oh the whole trailer.
COWIE: Imagine if you are going to spend $3 to $5 million on a wedding, you are not going to have a whole in the garden somewhere or go to the trees?
BEHAR: No.
COWIE: You have to make sure -
BEHAR: That would be very tacky.
COWIE: You have to be sure that it is air conditioned, you can wash your hands, you know, do the last if possible.
BEHAR: I see. So how many do they have?
COWIE: I`m sure they probably going to have four trailers for the amount of people.
BEHAR: So these are the lux port o pottie.
COWIE: This is a chic as you can go.
BEHAR: I see, so they have all sorts of amenities in there like what?
COWIE: They have air conditioning, there is a flat screen TVs in there -
BEHAR: Flat screen TV to take a leak?
COWIE: Well you are in a toilet - not about you, but us men, have to stand, sometimes you do want to be a little entertained.
BEHAR: How much time are you going to spend - all right, Patrick, how does this compare to other first daughter weddings like Jenna Bush, Amy Carter, Patricia Nixon - I have some interesting factoids about them. But tell me.
GAVIN: Well it honestly depends, Jenna Bush had a much more calm and subdued wedding. She did it in Crawford, Texas. It was very simple.
BEHAR: Yes.
GAVIN: It was just her and her fiance on a lake with a simple cross at the head of the altar. That was very simple. But then you look back at Tricia Nixon who by -
BEHAR: Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait -
GAVIN: Yes.
BEHAR: What do you mean, what was that, a simple cross, that was it, that big thing - that big cross there? That`s not a simple cross. Let`s see that picture again. That`s a huge cross that they had.
GAVIN: Right but in other words, all the pop and circumstance from the amount of attendees, from the flowers, to the food, to the lack of paparazzi et cetera et cetera is was much less more expecting as Chelsea Clinton`s wedding.
BEHAR: Right.
GAVIN: You also did not have the kind of head`s estate and the VIPs that you are expected to have at Chelsea`s wedding -
BEHAR: Are they just cheap or what? What do you -
GAVIN: I think the reality is that you know Bill Clinton loves pop and circumstances, there is no doubt about that. I think Jenna Bush`s father, George W. Bush was not a much a fan of all that sort of stuff.
BEHAR: I see.
GAVIN: So he probably was much more OK with the -
BEHAR: OK, interesting Ralph Nader was invited to the Tricia Nixon wedding. A little factoid. Thanks guys. Up next on the best stars of TLC`s strange sex talk, stop by to expose secrets of a world you probably didn`t even know about, unless you`ve been checking my website.
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BEHAR: TLC is at it again. They`ve just wrapped up a new series called "STRANGE SEX," sounds kinky. I wonder if the little people and the hoarders hook up. Take a look at a clip featuring Hattie, a 74-year-old self-described cougar.
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HATTIE, TLC`S "STRANGE SEX": Adventuresome, unconventional, mature, and magnificent. I`m a great dancer and I`m great in bed. My name is Hattie. And I am the quintessential cougar.
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BEHAR: Here now to discuss their interesting stories, are Jaiya, who is in a polyamorous relationship in one of those, whatever that is, I need to find out. Barbara Carrellas, a sex educator who can think herself into orgasms. I wonder if she thinks of Ben Bernanke like I do. And Hattie, the 74-year-old cougar. Welcome ladies to the show. Jaya let me start with you -
JAIYA, IN A POLYAMOROUS RELATINOSHIP: Hello it is so good to be here.
BEHAR: Nice to meet you. What is a polymorphis relationship exactly?
JAIYA: It`s polyamorous - it means many love.
BEHAR: Oh I keep saying - polyamorous -
JAIYA: Morphis (ph), amorous - you know it`s great to have both to be able to morph in and out of lots of different relationships. But Polyamorous means many love so I basically have two men that I am in partnership with. And it`s great because I get lots of support, lots of help and lots of love.
BEHAR: So - I see. So you have to fake it with both of them? A lot of work baby.
JAIYA: I have a rule of never faking my orgasms. Never, what`s the point? I want pleasure.
BEHAR: I know.
JAIYA: I own that pleasure.
BEHAR: I`m teasing you but do they have sex with each other, these two guys?
JAIYA: They don`t.
BEHAR: That`s what you say -
JAIYA: I get to be the center of the eve -
BEHAR: You don`t know.
JAIYA: So I get all the attention.
BEHAR: Oh yes, so they don`t do it with each other. So what - how does it work? You do with one and then he plays scrabble with his ipod and then the other one comes in and you do it with him? Is that how it goes?
JAIYA: Well usually not on the same day, we have a small child. I have a 16 month old so that does slow us down quite a bit. And we all have our own separate rooms. So we also have a love loft that my partner Ian and I share. And we go up there and have our special time together. And Dawn has his own room. So when we find the time for intimacy within our relationships, we each get date night and things like that. And that`s one of the great things about there being three of us. Is that we have the time to spend, to cultivate our relationship.
BEHAR: No one gets jealous.
JAIYA: No, we actually have a very harmonious relationship. There are times, I can say where Ian has gotten jealous mostly around you know, maybe a guy who has better financial status than he does. And I have gotten triggered by women who, don`t necessarily want a polyamorous relationship but they are unclear. And so that`s where sometimes I can get a little jealous. Somebody is unclear about what they want.
BEHAR: I see. OK, now Barbara, I hear that you take a hands off approach to things.
BARBARA CARRELLAS, LEARNED TO "THINK" HERSELF INTO ORGASMS: Sometimes, yes.
BEHAR: Explain that to me.
CARRELLAS: I do and I teach breath and energy orgasms.
BEHAR: OK.
CARRELLAS: Breath and energy orgasm -
BEHAR: I think Jaiya just had that -
JAIYA: Probably yes - I had them a lot.
BEHAR: She has them a lot.
CARRELLAS: See someone -
BEHAR: But Barbara has them without these two guys. She doesn`t need anybody to do it with. You just do it yourself.
CARRELLAS: Breath and energy orgasms or orgasms you can have using your imagination and your breath.
BEHAR: What if you have bad breath?
CARRELLAS: Well if you were doing it with yourself, it wouldn`t be a problem.
BEHAR: Right, that`s true. So how do you do it? Like show me -
CARRELLAS: You imagine sexual energy coming up your body as you breath it up your body. Thank you Jaiya -
BEHAR: Oh god, oh god, did you just have an orgasm -
CARRELLAS: I did, it started -
BEHAR: Really - I`m sorry for interrupting.
CARRELLAS: You did interrupt it.
BEHAR: I`m sorry I didn`t mean to interrupt it.
CARRELLAS: I mean there is a quickie but there`s just a thing as can`t do it quite that fast.
BEHAR: Wait, how did you come up with this technique? I mean why?
CARRELLAS: I was taught this technique.
BEHAR: Yes.
CARRELLAS: During then age crisis. I was looking for ways for people to practice more static, safer sex, and practice, want to practice safer sex. And this is one of the techniques I learned, it is based on an ancient tantric technique, eastern Indian technique. But I learned it as a safer sex technique.
BEHAR: Why do I have the feeling that those eastern people had better sex than anybody in the west?
CARRELLAS: Well they certainly know a lot more about sex.
BEHAR: Yes.
CARRELLAS: Than we do on that.
BEHAR: The kamasutra and all that -
CARRELLAS: Yes, exactly, and I`ve read a lot of texts from the east and there has been a lot more research done in the east and in ancient times than they were further ahead 100 years ago than we are now.
BEHAR: I see that. So now, is it better than doing it with a person? That`s what I want to ask.
CARRELLAS: You can do breath and energy orgasms with a person. In fact, I teach people how to do that. I even doing that this weekend here in New York.
BEHAR: Really, really.
CARRELLAS: You can do it with a person.
BEHAR: And what was the weirdest place you ever did it?
CARRELLAS: Inside that damn MFRI machine on TLC`s "STRANGE SEX" I`m severely claustrophobic.
BEHAR: Yes.
CARRELLAS: So doing anything inside an MFRI machine, except surviving is a challenge for me. So if I can a breath and energy orgasm inside an MFRI machine, I can have one anywhere.
BEHAR: Well that might be a good technique because I`m claustrophobic, if I ever have to get in one of those, I could at least amuse myself with my own sexual behavior in there.
CARRELLAS: Exactly, that`s right.
JAIYA: Or try it in traffic.
CARRELLAS: Or try it in traffic.
BEHAR: Try it in traffic, you know, that`s good, keeps your mind off of the boring - tediousness of everything.
CARRELLAS: Exactly.
BEHAR: That`s really good. All right and on to you Hattie. Now you`re a 74-year-old woman. You got divorced in the 80s after being married for 25 years.
HATTIE, 74-YEAR OLD COUGAR: Twenty-five years, Joy.
BEHAR: Is that when you became a cougar?
HATTIE: Well I actually became a cougar when I was named a cougar after a Dolce & Gabbana ad. Now, I got divorced. We were both dancers. And when I first had sex with my husband, we had sex, he proposed marriage. I said this is the way you do this. I get divorced and I have sex with someone and I`m waiting for them to propose marriage and they don`t.
BEHAR: I see.
HATTIE: So I was either a very slow learner or a slut.
BEHAR: We`ll leave that to the audience to decide.
HATTIE: There are a lot of people that can vote on that one.
BEHAR: OK we`ll continue with this discussion in a minute. Don`t go away. We`re all going to be saying oh, good together now.
NANCY GRACE, HLN ANCHOR: Hello, hello. Stay with us, friends. We are seeking justice.
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BEHAR: I`m back with my panel and we`re talking about what some would consider their unusual sex lives. I mean Jaiya, are you planning to add more, any more men to your group?
JAIYA: One of my partners always asks me, well, how many boyfriends do you want? I don`t know. You know if I can love one person, why not love many? There`s a quote that I love, if you can love five, love five. If you can love 50, love 50. So more love to go around and love without limits.
BEHAR: OK. Well, if you like that. I mean I personally don`t like crowds, especially in my bed. I really don`t.
HATTIE: You have to not spread yourself thin.
BEHAR: Oh. Does it bother you at all that you`re called a cougar and that polyamorous - or whatever that word is yours. But cougar. Some people think it`s an insulting word.
HATTIE: Well it could be. Anything can be insulting. But if you take on people`s assessment of you and you are going to be pleased with what they have to say or share with you, then it`s just my way of showing love on the dance floor. I`m very physical and so my love is expressed sexually. Someone else can bake cookies. That`s like really fine. BEHAR: It`s really not the same.
HATTIE: Well there`s some good cookies around. But anyhow -
BEHAR: But you are 74, what`s the youngest guy you`ve been with - say this year.
HATTIE: Well he was 35, now he`s 36, time marches on.
BEHAR: So 35.
HATTIE: Yes, dear.
BEHAR: Wow.
HATTIE: Now the interesting thing is the whole concept of being an older woman who loves sex is very different from before. Joy, I use to have to like beg for sex. I loved it, I wanted it, and so I would ask for some men. And people think cougars pursue men, I don`t pursue men.
BEHAR: They come to you.
HATTIE: They come after me.
BEHAR: Well (EXPLICATIVE DELETED) you should use Barbara`s technique you don`t have to beg, you just do it yourself, right?
CARRELLAS: It`s a wonderful technique. The best thing about breath and energy orgasm is that you don`t have to choose. You can learn to have a breath and energy orgasm and combine it with the genital orgasm and you get, shall we say, a really serious bang for your buck.
BEHAR: Well - what if the guy you are doing it with has asthma.
CARRELLAS: You know, I actually teach it to people with asthma. I teach them to breath slightly differently.
BEHAR: Yes, I know, I mean, but it`s difficult if they have emphysema or asthma or something -
CARRELLAS: Actually this breathing technique -
BEHAR: You could be causing their death while they are enjoying themselves.
CARRELLAS: Actually improves -
HATTIE: What a way to do.
BEHAR: What a way to die she says -
CARRELLAS: It actually improves asthmatic breath control and breath - ability to breath.
JAIYA: I can speak from experience -
BEHAR: Go ahead Jaiya.
JAIYA: My partner John has asthma and we have energy sex all the time. We actually met at a - workshop so exactly what Barbara is talking about -
CARRELLAS: Thank you Jaiya.
JAIYA: We do breath and energy and he has asthma and it really actually helps him breath better.
CARRELLAS: Exactly.
JAIYA: So we can have more sex.
BEHAR: Uh huh, have you ever had a young guy - let`s cross over.
JAIYA: OK.
BEHAR: Do you like to do what she does?
HATTIE: I do that.
BEHAR: You would. You do it already?
HATTIE: I do it already, without touching myself, if you pulsate, and you think of something really sexual -
BEHAR: What do you think of? What`s your favorite fantasy because mine, I say, is Ben Bernanke.
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BEHAR: -- makes me hot. But go ahead.
HATTIE: I actually am inclined towards women, two women (EXPLICATIVE DELETED) just gets me off -
BEHAR: Really.
HATTIE: Uh huh.
BEHAR: Oh Hattie, you devil.
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BEHAR: And you, what`s your fantasy when you are trying to get yourself going? Jaiya, we know what yours is. Two guys, what`s yours?
HATTIE: She doesn`t need a fantasy.
CARRELLAS: Oddly enough, I start breathing and I start turning into different kinds of animals, usually snakes.
BEHAR: Snakes, no kidding.
CARRELLAS: And that actually gets me off -
BEHAR: Oh my, let`s all breath together and go out of this segment. Thanks for joining me tonight. The finale of TLC`s "STRANGE SEX" airs Sunday at 10:00 p.m. Good night everybody.
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