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May-December Romances; New Stalking Bill
Aired July 30, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tonight on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, on the eve of Chelsea Clinton`s blowout wedding, Joy will look at the burning question. Who was left off the 500-strong guest list? Why are local residents angry? And of course, who is Chelsea wearing?
And it`s the new season of MTV`s "Jersey Shore" for Snooki and the gang so what better time for Joy and fellow Italian comedian Dom Irrera to explain what it means to be a real Italian-American.
Plus extreme cougars and hands-free orgasms: the stars of TLC "Strange Sex" stop by to give Joy a peek into a world that most people didn`t even know existed.
All that and more, starting right now.
JOY BEHAR, HOST: The new season of "Jersey Shore" debuted last night. I tried to record it but my DVR got an STD. Let`s watch a clip.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You should know that. You`re from Staten Island. Get outside.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you kidding me right now? Like three girls against one? (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You don`t deserve to be here, Angelina. You are (EXPLETIVE DELETED) a white rat.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And you`re (EXPLETIVE DELETED) too tan and you`re nasty.
(CROSS TALKING)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I like being tan.
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BEHAR: Ok. Here to talk about this and other stories from the week are the comedian and judge on the Supreme Court of Comedy on DirecTV, the fabulously funny Dom Irrera; and Amy Palmer, a senior editor with "In Touch Weekly" and comedian extraordinaire Tommy Davidson. Ok, guys.
DOM IRRERA, COMEDIAN: Look how handsome he is.
TOMMY DAVIDSON, COMEDIAN: That was the teeth test because their teeth are so white. Let me try mine.
BEHAR: But yours look whiter. You know, the contrast.
DAVIDSON: Yes, you`re right. I still had to test that out, though. I didn`t want to look like a Pittsburgh Steeler. You know what I mean?
BEHAR: Why are they in Miami Beach? Aren`t they Jersey people or what?
AMY PALMER, SENIOR EDITOR, "IN TOUCH WEEKLY": Well, here`s the genius of MTV.
DAVIDSON: They ran out of ecstasy. Go ahead, I`m sorry.
PALMER: Because it did so well, they didn`t want to stop filming. But when it stopped filming, it was winter time. So they had to take the kids to someplace where there was sunshine. And that was Miami.
IRRERA: It`s the coldest winter they ever had in Miami, too.
PALMER: It doesn`t matter.
IRRERA: I find these kids riveting. I`m telling you, I couldn`t watch it. They said, did you ever see the show? No.
BEHAR: You can`t watch it?
IRRERA: I couldn`t watch it. I`m glad for them. They make some money. But it`s like watching guys I grew up with acting stupid.
BEHAR: That`s right.
PALMER: Yes. But the genius is that these kids grew up with reality television. So they`re branding themselves. If you look at "The Situation", he`s one of the guys on the cast, if you don`t know --
IRRERA: Oh, yes, "The Situation". I love "The Situation".
PALMER: "The Situation".
IRRERA: Not like Snooki, but I love him.
PALMER: He has a DVD coming out, he has hair gel.
BEHAR: She`s a style icon.
That bouffant on top of the head there? They`re all using it. Vera Wang used it in one of her model shows.
DAVIDSON: They`re making a lot of money.
PALMER: These kids are smart. They may look dumb, but they`re smart, trust me.
BEHAR: I wouldn`t go that far. I think they`re just playing the game and they`re smart enough to play the game.
PALMER: They`re smart enough to know they need to make money now because they have a shelf life.
BEHAR: Right exactly.
When the President was on "The View" yesterday --
IRRERA: When I saw you talking to the President, it took me back -- the President knows Joy`s name. The President -- it was unbelievable.
BEHAR: You sound like my Uncle Joe.
IRRERA: I swear -- oh, my god.
BEHAR: Yes, I know. I got some calls like that. Imagine if your mother was alive, you know, one of those.
He was on. And I had a chance to ask him about exactly this, Snooki. So let`s watch him.
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BEHAR: Should Snooki run as mayor of Wasilla?
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I got to admit, I don`t know who Snooki is.
BEHAR: You don`t?
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BEHAR: Now, you know, Tom, what do you think? Isn`t it a plus to not know Snooki?
DAVIDSON: It`s kind of a plus. But he always has an answer. "The View" gave him time. He rhymes everything? Well, Snooki should have cookies.
BEHAR: What is he, President Nipsey Russell (ph)?
DAVIDSON: I mean he`s really fast, you know what I mean?
IRRERA: You date the references? What about an old red buttons reference?
PALMER: I have to say, I was really glad to know that he didn`t not know who Snooki was.
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IRRERA: Yes. I felt better.
DAVIDSON: I leaned into the TV, if he knows who Snooki is, I want to know, too.
BEHAR: Yes. I see.
Now, the father -- this is what Snooki`s father said. "What is it that draws you to my daughter? Be honest because it`s very hard for me to see what it is. She don`t sing, she don`t dance. I don`t want to say she don`t have talent," and then his voice trails off. So what does she have?
PALMER: She`s every girl, that`s what she has.
IRRERA: No. She`s hotter than every girl.
PALMER: What? She`s hot? Have you seen Snooki?
IRRERA: Have you seen every girl?
DAVIDSON: She`s got a rack and she`s great and she`s wild.
PALMER: I think that she`s entertaining. I think she`s -- you know a girl like Snooki. If you`re from the neighborhood, you know a girl that`s like Snooki and that`s it.
IRRERA: At the end of the night, I want a girl like Snooki. I do. I want someone who I know that`s going to be one night, that`s it; big fight at the end, which is a relief so I can watch Sports Center.
Yes, you`re right.
BEHAR: Let me tell you --
PALMER: She`s getting so famous that I actually read a quote where she said, "I like to hang out with famous people because normal people now get freaked out when they see me."
So Snooki, I don`t think you`re going to be hanging out with her any time soon.
DAVIDSON: This is worse than black people. What`s her real name?
BEHAR: Her name is Nicole Polozzi (ph).
(CROSS TALKING)
DAVIDSON: Let`s go with Snooki.
BEHAR: All right. Let`s go to Leonardo DiCaprio, all right. Leo DiCaprio is going to star in a new film being directed by Mel Gibson but he told Mel he was quitting. And Mel`s response was, "Yes, but first (EXPLETIVE DELETED) me."
So what do you know about this thing, Amy? What`s the name of the picture? It was about Vikings or something.
PALMER: We don`t know. But what we do know was that Leonardo DiCaprio was apparently obsessed with Vikings and he has been for years. He was looking for a Vikings project.
IRRERA: I like the horns and the helmets. You can hold them, you know? You got handle bars there.
PALMER: He was obsessed with Vikings. He was so happy that this project came into his world, now with the whole Mel Gibson scenario, he`s saying, "You know what? I`m opting out."
BEHAR: He`s the first person in Hollywood basically to publicly distance himself from Mel Gibson.
PALMER: Actually his agency did; William Morris Endeavor Agency.
DAVIDSON: I knew it would be the agency. Because I want to be in the movie, but it`s Vikings. Unless they`re from Minnesota, I can`t do it, you know what I mean?
IRRERA: What I love about it with Gibson`s thing, it was actually his acting is much better than his reality personality. Do you know what I mean? The way he was overacting, nobody -- son of a --
BEHAR: And the breathing, yes, yes, yes.
IRRERA: You dirty -- if he was doing that in a film, no, take it back, make it a little real.
BEHAR: That`s right. That is so true.
But what about the Viking community? Aren`t they going to be upset?
IRRERA: The Viking community.
PALMER: This was their big chance.
BEHAR: Have you ever met a Viking?
PALMER: No, I haven`t.
BEHAR: They`re all named Anderson. Anderson Cooper, he might be a Viking for all we know.
IRRERA: I lived in a Viking neighborhood for a while in Philadelphia.
BEHAR: Now, Chelsea -- you lived in a Viking neighborhood.
IRRERA: We moved out of a Byzantine neighborhood to move in with the Vikings.
BEHAR: Miss Chelsea Clinton is getting married, as we all know, this weekend, and the Clintons have gone all out. Ok? Yet Hillary is still on the job as Secretary of state. She`s still working. I heard she has a Viennese table going on in the Gaza strip.
IRRERA: Really?
BEHAR: Yes.
IRRERA: Is this thing on? Hello.
DAVIDSON: Bring that again?
BEHAR: Is this thing on?
IRRERA: I`m happy for her.
PALMER: It`s the wedding of the year. It`s huge; apparently $2 million. $15,000 for her dress by Vera Wang which brings us right around to Snooki with the bump, because you know Vera Wang had all of her models walking with --
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IRRERA: Vera Wang. That`s like saying -- I used to date Chelsea, all right? And a lot of people -- I don`t want to start a big controversy on national television. Very good kid; the father was a little rough with me. It was embarrassing picking her up at the White House and taking her to a movie and stuff. But I`m glad for her. It didn`t work out.
BEHAR: She`s marrying a Jewish guy.
IRRERA: Good for her, at least she`s marrying an intelligent guy.
BEHAR: We don`t know he`s intelligent. He`s just Jewish.
IRRERA: The Jews are very smart. Jews are smart. I`m telling you right now. I`m going to say it. Jews are the smartest people I know -- doctors and whatnot.
PALMER: She`s not converting.
BEHAR: She`s not converting. Not like Ivanka Trump.
DAVIDSON: Doesn`t she have to?
PALMER: No. You don`t have to.
BEHAR: He`s not religious. Ivanka Trump married a religious Jewish guy, she took the Micvah (ph) and she`s got a kosher home, the whole nine.
IRRERA: Makes me want to plotz. I fell when I hear that.
BEHAR: Now, Obama -- President Obama wasn`t invited to the wedding which I thought was a little bit of a diss myself but that`s me.
PALMER: He wasn`t invited because I think it`s all about Chelsea and I think the Clintons really wanted it to be her day.
BEHAR: I`m sick of hearing that. It is not all about Chelsea. It`s not only about Chelsea. It`s about her mother, too. When I got married, it was about my mother.
PALMER: Can you imagine being Chelsea Clinton and having Bill Clinton as your father and Hillary Clinton as your mother. I mean, for one day can it just be about me?
BEHAR: Ok, but you know --
(CROSS TALKING)
BEHAR: What about Barbra Streisand and Steven Spielberg?
PALMER: Those are rumored guests. We don`t know if they`re actually coming.
DAVIDSON: Who knows if they were coming? That`s great.
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BEHAR: Ted turner, yes, he`s a close friend of Chelsea`s.
IRRERA: They used to play ball together.
BEHAR: And the Gores are not invited either nor Socks the Cat or any of the masseuses -- nobody.
IRRERA: Monica Lewinsky, she got invited? It didn`t work?
BEHAR: No, I don`t think so. Or Linda Tripp, no.
Thanks, everybody.
Check out Tommy Davidson in the upcoming "I am Coming" DVD. Plus, catch Dom Irrera at Harrod`s (ph) in Atlantic City on September 4th.
We`ll be back in a minute.
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BEHAR: Do May-December romances work? One such relationship that has been working for the past two years is the one between Linda Hogan, Hulk Hogan`s 50-year-old ex-wife and her 21-year-old boyfriend Charlie Hill, who are apparently engaged. Well.
Here to discuss the pros and cons of these relationships are Claudia Opdenkelder, president of cougarlife.com and Ian Kerner, sex therapist and relationship counselor.
Claudia what`s the appeal for a woman like Linda in dating someone 30 years -- almost 30 years younger than she is? What`s that about?
CLAUDIA OPDENKELDER, PRESIDENT OF COUGARLIFE.COM: Well, I think the appeal for an older woman to date a younger man is obviously because they have this unbelievable zest for life. They can keep up with them. And they have this need to please. They`re always eager to please, always very, very confident and fun and give you that extra boost of energy that you need especially if you have a very busy lifestyle yourself, you need somebody who can keep up with you.
And of course, they are at their sexual prime in their 20s as well as these women in their late 30s and up.
BEHAR: I`m asking you what the appeal is for her to be with a kid really.
OPDENKELDER: The appeal for her is, yes -- well, the appeal for her - - I mean obviously, I can`t speak for her -- but the appeal for her is obviously the fact that she doesn`t have to deal with an older man who is coming with baggage and divorces and maybe children or stepchildren and this guy is bringing her freedom and happiness.
BEHAR: I see.
Ian, what`s in it for him? Is he looking for mommy?
IAN KERNER, RELATIONSHIP COUNSELOR: Well, you know, I think they`ve been dating a couple of years, right?
BEHAR: Yes.
KERNER: So I think, you know, in any relationship when you`re first dating, it is sort of all about the thrill of infatuation --
BEHAR: That`s right. And the rush of hormones so I think that -- I genuinely believe that they`re probably in love; they`re in that can`t keep your hands off of each other stage.
The problem is after two or three years when the hormones aren`t raging and you have to really sit across the table from somebody and make a conversation, I think that`s when these May/December romances, some of them start to deteriorate and crumble.
BEHAR: I know. What are they going to talk about?
OPDENKELDER: I don`t agree with that.
BEHAR: Ok. Why not?
OPDENKELDER: I don`t agree with that. Because I`m in a relationship; I`m almost 40, my boyfriend is 26. We`re 14 years apart. We just bought a house together. We`ve almost been dating two years. It`s the best relationship I`ve ever been in.
So I think it`s very individual. You can`t judge overall.
KERNER: Yes. But there`s a big difference between 15 years and 30 years as well. Are you planning to have children?
BEHAR: You can still have children if he wants to, right Claudia?
KERNER: Exactly. I mean --
OPDENKELDER: What if she doesn`t want children anymore? She already had them.
BEHAR: What if he wants them? He`s 20.
KERNER: Exactly.
BEHAR: She can`t have them anymore, she`s 50. But he can still have children.
KERNER: Yes. I mean everyone -- we always assume that it`s the maternal instinct --
OPDENKELDER: But I`m sure -- I`m sure she knew that going in.
KERNER: -- but in men -- in men the paternal instinct does come into play and it`s very possible. He`s a 21-year-old guy, that when he hits 30, 35 that he`s going to want a family, he`s going to want kids and he`s going to want that commonality and he`s probably not going to be able to have it.
BEHAR: Right.
OPDENKELDER: Right.
BEHAR: And also the other thing, Claudia, is that these relationships that Dr. Kerner is saying -- I think you`re a doctor, aren`t you?
KERNER: I am.
BEHAR: Yes you are. That they may work for a while but to get married? I mean I don`t know if that works. Is it wise to get married?
OPDENKELDER: We`re planning to get married. Ashton and Demi are married and they work. Hugh Jackman and his wife are 14 years apart. They work. I mean isn`t Katie Couric dating someone 17 years younger? Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins -- there are endless amount of relationships that work.
(CROSS TALKING)
BEHAR: But Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon were together 20 years and they just split up. They really gave it a shot.
KERNER: We`re also talking about relationships where there`s a 10 to 15 year age difference versus in this case it`s like a 30-year age difference, I think that`s a big gap.
OPDENKELDER: I think Ashton and Demi are like 24 years difference.
BEHAR: No, they`re 15 years -- 15 that`s all.
KERNER: And listen, I think that May/December relationships absolutely can work. Sometimes they happen for the wrong reasons because they`re opportunistic. But very often they happen for the right reasons.
There is a genuine love. Studies have shown that men who marry younger woman often end up living older and living longer and feeling good about their lives and their relationships.
Interestingly, there was a study though that showed that women when they`re marrying much younger guys do not live as long. They die sooner.
BEHAR: The women do.
OPDENKELDER: Yes.
BEHAR: Why is that?
OPDENKELDER: That`s crazy.
KERNER: I think it has a lot to do with the stress of the relationship.
OPDENKELDER: I don`t know. I don`t believe in that.
BEHAR: You don`t believe in that? It`s a study.
OPDENKELDER: There is no stress. There`s no stress whatsoever.
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KERNER: How can you say that a relationship doesn`t have stress?
BEHAR: Listen, when Linda is 70, he`ll be 40, then we`ll see how much -- how thrilled he is with it. You know what I mean?
KERNER: I agree.
BEHAR: Then it`s a little problematic
Now Hulk, her husband, 56, is reportedly engaged to his much younger girlfriend who is 36 years old. Are they trying -- are they competing with each other or what? What`s going on there?
KERNER: Yes, I don`t know if they are competing with each other or they`re certainly going after similar types of people. I think that they`re both --
OPDENKELDER: I hope they`re not.
KERNER: I think they`re both trying to sow their wild oats.
OPDENKELDER: There are people`s feelings involved.
BEHAR: Hulk was on our show last year.
KERNER: Yes.
BEHAR: And he was open about how bothered he was by Linda dating a younger guy. Look at this. Watch.
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HULK HOGAN, PROFESSIONAL WRESTLER: All of a sudden all your friends and your family and everybody there is telling you that there`s a young kid driving your cars and your motorcycles and your boats and sleeping in your bed with your wife. It does something to you when you`re a man.
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BEHAR: I think he`s ticked off that the guy is young.
KERNER: Yes. He`s young. She`s also riding around in --
OPDENKELDER: It`s obviously an ego issue.
BEHAR: Hold on.
KERNER: She`s also riding around in a boat that says Ali-Money.
BEHAR: Alimony?
KERNER: Ali-money. That would piss me off too.
BEHAR: That`s kind of funny, isn`t it.
KERNER: It`s funny but you can see why he`s pissed off.
BEHAR: Yes. Because it`s his ali-money.
OPDENKELDER: But don`t you think he would be upset either way whether she`s dating someone younger or older. Either way he`s not happy about it. And I think the younger guy just makes it more of an ego thing.
KERNER: The interesting thing is going to be when they all get together for Thanksgiving and the kids are there.
BEHAR: Well, there is that.
KERNER: And that they all have to have a conversation. The big thing how many second marriages end up getting ruined by the kids because there`s usually adult children who in some way don`t agree with the relationship. So that`s the thing.
Regardless of who they`re with, they`re both going to have to come to peace with the kids and get the kids on board with this.
BEHAR: It`s true. Linda`s kids are the same age as the man who will become their stepfather.
KERNER: They`re older.
BEHAR: Brooke is 22, Nick is 20. They`re around the same.
KERNER: They all went to high school together.
BEHAR: And Brooke, I guess that`s the girl, all right -- she has been totally freaked out by this.
What do you say to that, Claudia? What about these kids who are freaked out by this craziness?
OPDENKELDER: I fully understand that and I can see that. But at the end of the day if your mom is happy and finally found happiness, then you`ve got to try to find a way to deal with that and cope with that.
I think with any relationship, there`s going to be judgment no matter what, whether it`s different races or different backgrounds or cultures or different ages.
And I think it`s unfair that the older men dating the younger women nobody really bats an eye at it anymore and it`s the women that are getting all the flack. It`s the women who are making this big news and everybody is talking about it.
BEHAR: Ok. Thanks very much, guys, for your insights.
Up next, ESPN reporter and stalking victim Erin Andrews was in D.C. today lobbying for tougher anti-stalking laws. I will have an update.
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BEHAR: ESPN sports reporter and former "Dancing with the Stars" contestant Erin Andrews was secretly videotaped changing clothes through a hotel peephole last year. As a result of that traumatic experience, she was in Washington today speaking out on behalf of a new bill that calls for tougher stalking laws.
Listen.
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ERIN ANDREWS, ESPN SPORTSCASTER: There have been times over the past year that I have screamed, I have cried, I have said to my family, why me? Why is this happening to me?
And the senator mentioned it doesn`t just happen to people that are in the limelight. It mostly happens to just people that are trying to live their everyday life.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: Joining me now to speak about a new stalking bill is one of its sponsors, California Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez. Loretta -- Congresswoman Sanchez, tell me about this stalkers bill you`re co- sponsoring. What is it?
REP. LORETTA SANCHEZ (D), CALIFORNIA: I actually authored the bill. It is going to be passed in the House of Representatives today.
And it does several things. One of the things it does is that it brings down the threshold a little on how law enforcement can go after a stalker who is creating emotional duress on the victim.
Sometimes in the current law it`s very difficult. You have to really take a look at over time what a stalker is doing to you before we can show that duress. And sometimes that`s too late. So that`s one of the things it would do.
Secondly, it gives more tools to the prosecution. In other words, the law includes things that weren`t in there before like the Internet, videotaping, like what happened to Erin, so that`s important.
And lastly, it makes us at the federal level do a "best practices" paper every year that we can share with local communities, law enforcement at the state level also because usually they are the ones that are going after the people who are perpetrating stalking on people, not the federal government. You know, some of them won`t call the FBI. They call their local police people.
BEHAR: So those are the things that are wrong with the current laws that you`re going to be changing, yes?
SANCHEZ: That`s correct. That`s correct. In particular, the technology. When the first stalker bill was done, we didn`t have any of this new technology.
BEHAR: Right.
SANCHEZ: One out of every four stalkers uses technology to stalk their people.
BEHAR: Well, I was talking the other day about twittering and how difficult that has become. I mean, somebody can tweet to another person, "I saw Loretta Sanchez having coffee in this particular coffee shop." And then whoever is interested in stalking you knows exactly where to get you at that moment.
SANCHEZ: Absolutely.
BEHAR: That`s a very dangerous thing, I think.
SANCHEZ: It`s incredibly dangerous -- it`s dangerous, you know, when you go into your g-mail account or some account and someone then e-mails you on your Blackberry, I see that you`re in your e-mail account. It`s almost like because we`re using technology to talk to each other, to look on the web, to call, et cetera, because these pieces of technology almost have global positioning on them also, by the way, because people can tell you`re in a particular place, now people can stalk even easier. We`ve got to stop that.
BEHAR: Well, good. I`m glad that you`re on the case, Congresswoman. Thanks very much.
SANCHEZ: Thanks, Joy. Thanks a lot.
BEHAR: Ok.
Ok. The legendary Zsa Zsa Gabor is in the hospital after breaking her hip. I`ll speak to her husband for an update on her health. Next.
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BEHAR: Hollywood icon Zsa Zsa Gabor is reportedly in critical condition after hip replacement surgery a week ago. Here with me for an update on how she`s doing is her eighth husband Prince Frederic Von Anhalt. I say eighth husband, you know, because Zsa Zsa`s kind of famous for all those husbands. But how is she doing?
PRINCE FREDERIC VON ANHALT, ZSA ZSA GABOR`S HUSBAND: Well not so good lately. You know she had the accident on Saturday and huge operation on Monday. So she`s not doing so good.
BEHAR: No? But you said she`s in critical condition but her daughter says her condition is guarded. So why would she say that?
ANHALT: Well, I don`t know what guarded means really, but unfortunately she doesn`t have any information, the medical information is between me and the doctors, and anybody else has only hearsay information.
BEHAR: Mm-hmm. I must say --
ANHALT: So listen, I`m married to my wife since 24 years. I know every inch of her. I know exactly how she behaves. I know exactly how she is, as she was before, and how she is now. Unfortunately, she had stroke eight years ago and because of that stroke, her recovery is very, very slow.
BEHAR: Is she speaking? Is she able to talk?
ANHALT: She is speaking. She talks to me. The first thing she says, you know, she says help me, help me. Unfortunately, I can`t do anything. I`m not a doctor. But she is speaking slowly, and she didn`t eat. Yesterday she started eating a little bit, drinking a little water. But that doesn`t mean anything. You know, yesterday, it was a little better and I told her probably we`re going to get out on Thursday or Friday, and this morning I talked to the doctor, well, they say maybe on the weekend, but we don`t know yet. It goes day by day.
BEHAR: Now I understand this all happened after she fell watching "JEOPARDY." she`s 93 years old now. Is she still good at "JEOPARDY"?
ANHALT: Yes, we are married now since 24 years. And we watch "JEOPARDY" every night. And she`s watching it. As a matter of fact, she`s watching your show, too, at 10:00. So yes she`s watching "JEOPARDY" and she loves it. She`s mentally very good in shape.
BEHAR: Yes.
ANHALT: She`s at least 75 percent to 80 percent mental until shape. That`s very good for her age, you know?
BEHAR: That`s right.
ANHALT: Yes she`s very sharp, you know. And unfortunately, now she is very slow. She talked and hopefully she`s going to recover, you know. I hope she`s going to be like she was before.
BEHAR: I must say -- it`s fun to watch -- to see her again in those pictures that we`re showing right now. You know? It brought me back to the old days when she used to be on Merv Griffin and the other shows and she was very funny and very entertaining.
ANHALT: The old days. You`re not that old. You`re not that old. We love you and your show. You`re not that old.
BEHAR: I was in utero at the time and I used to watch. Given your wife`s health, I will ask you this, will this affect your candidacy for the governor of California? I know you`re running for the governorship there. You have the same accent as Arnold. So it shouldn`t be too hard to run up against him.
ANHALT: Yes, yes. Right now I can`t do anything, you know, because of the condition of my wife.
BEHAR: Yes.
ANHALT: My wife comes first. And so I stop everything for the next few years -- for the next few weeks and see how she`s recovering. If she doesn`t recover the way I like it or the way she should recover, then I`m not going to run, but if she recovers, I`ll continue doing it.
BEHAR: Oh, good luck to you.
ANHALT: It goes very long. This is how women are, they moan a little longer, they complain a little longer, everything goes a little longer with women.
BEHAR: And they live a little longer, that`s right, well, thank you very much for bringing us up to date.
ANHALT: Yes and they shop a little longer.
BEHAR: Yes and they shop. Tell Zsa Zsa we send her our best, OK.
ANHALT: Thank you very much.
BEHAR: Thanks very much.
ANHALT: She will love that, thank you.
BEHAR: OK, let`s move on to a different story. According to "In Touch Weekly" Kate Gosselin, camera crew in tow, is up in Alaska with Sarah Palin. You know what they say, keep your friends close and your enemies in Wasilla. With me now is discuss this and more is Jimmy Tingle, comedian, and Lisa Ann Walter, comedian, actress and creator of oxygen`s "Dance Your Ass Off" and Noah Levy, senior editor of "In Touch Weekly." Noah, all right what`s this about with Sarah and Kate?
NOAH LEVY, IN TOUCH WEEKLY: All right here`s the thing -
BEHAR: Yes.
LEVY: They`re businesswoman, they`re both working on their own reality shows. Sarah Palin`s on Discovery, Kate Gosselin owned by TLC, you know, they are owned by the same person.
BEHAR: Ah hah.
LEVY: So they are working on their own show and I really think, you know, these two women are going to be sitting by a campfire together braiding each other`s hair and talking to Bristol Palin about birth control. BEHAR: Too late. Too late. But do you really think, you guys, maybe Lisa, do you think that Sarah really wants to hang out with her or is this a put-up job?
LISA ANN WALTER, ACTRESS: Well even if it is -- and I actually just talked to my friends over at Discovery and TLC right before I came up here, Joy, just because I like to get the due diligence before I come talk to you.
BEHAR: Yes, OK, good. You should.
WALTER: I like to you know like a good Sicilian, I like to get the dirt.
BEHAR: OK.
WALTER: But they planned it, absolutely. Yes, they`re both moms. They both have a broad fan base. Because let`s face it, you saw Kate on "DANCING WITH THE STARS" she danced like she was in a full body cast.
BEHAR: It was terrible. Like she was walking on land mines.
WALTER: Exactly covered with broken eggs and scary monsters. Her partner was my teacher on "SHALL WE DANCE," if she can`t look good with him, there`s no hope.
BEHAR: Well they`re both ratings getters. I mean I can see the point.
WALTER: You know that may be the way we elect presidents in the future. Is just reality television programming.
BEHAR: Oh please don`t say that.
WALTER: It could be, Joy. It is around the corner.
BEHAR: Like my mother used to say, I hope I`m dead by Christmas. So positive. Now, Jimmy, do you think that appearing with Kate Gosselin enhances or detracts from Sarah Palin`s image?
JIMMY TINGLE, COMEDIAN: It is going to enhance her image. Because she`s going to be able to - not only show her Alaska but show her Russia. And I think --
BEHAR: So it`s an educational tool.
TINGLE: It`s a cultural thing. And plus her brother and her father, Sarah`s father is a science teacher and her brother is a history teacher. They`ll actually be teaching the kids science and history.
BEHAR: Yes they`re teaching natural history lessons from Palin`s --
TINGLE: That would be interesting -- life started in the Garden of Eden, evolution is a liberal plot, and global warming is a hoax by the Democrats to raise taxes.
BEHAR: You think they`ll go hunting together?
WALTER: I would hope so. And maybe bring back some nice furs and cover the little babies and they`ll gnaw on elk bones.
BEHAR: But you know, do you think if Sarah would run, there`s a little rumblings that she would run for president. Do you think that you know Kate Gosselin could be on the ticket? Keeping in line with the GOP`s habit of putting unqualified people up for president and vice president, why not Kate Gosselin?
LEVY: Listen, she`s going to be running for vice president. She`s going to be on QVC, she`s going to be everywhere.
WALTER: Simultaneously -
LEVY: Yes at the same time -
WALTER: We thought it up before we elected the Governator in California.
BEHAR: That`s right.
WALTER: And I remember when he ran, ways in Canada, and I swore I`d stay there. And I was doing a movie with Richard Gere. And he said it will never happen. And I said watch.
BEHAR: He said Arnold Schwarzenegger -
WALTER: I said Arnold Schwarzenegger will get elected because people will think, of course, he can do anything. He`s the terminator. No, he`s an actor.
BEHAR: Well it`s California, you can understand it. But Ronald Reagan, America, I mean that really was a shock.
TINGLE: That`s right. It is a political move, actually. Because you have Palin`s five kids, Kate`s eight kids, they`re going camping, in the Republican spirit, a big tent.
BEHAR: Right, OK, OK, here`s another story. New York governor David Paterson says he doesn`t have time to watch "JERSEY SHORE." he made the bold statement after neighboring New Jersey governor Chris Christie disparaged the show`s cast and said most of them are really New Yorkers. Watch.
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CHRIS CHRISTIE: What it does is takes a bunch of New Yorkers, who most of the people are on "JERSEY SHORE" are new Yorkers. Drops them at the Jersey Shore and tries to make America feel like this is New Jersey. I can tell people, they want to know what New Jersey really is, I welcome them to come to New Jersey any time. The Jersey Shore is a beautiful place and some place that everybody should come on vacation this summer.
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BEHAR: OK he really went after New York. What about that?
WALTER: That`s so crazy. Look, these are my people.
BEHAR: New Yorkers.
WALTER: We are like from Staten Island.
BEHAR: Who, the Jersey Shore kids?
WALTER: I am a - of a - oh yes, them, too.
BEHAR: Oh, that group. Do not put me in that category.
WALTER: I`m not saying -
BEHAR: I`m not hearing it.
LEVY: Joy does not like that.
WALTER: I lived in summit, I lived in beautiful part of New Jersey, but it is also Elizabeth where you drive through and everybody says, who did that? Was that you? You know.
BEHAR: Right they blame Elizabeth. Yes, I know.
WALTER: It`s all those things. It`s all those things, it`s America, it`s a beautiful garden state and it smells like Elizabeth. So what? That`s Jersey Shore. What`s wrong with that?
BEHAR: But you know what, he said that the show makes New Jersey look stupid.
TINGLE: That`s impossible.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Let me just say, if he keeps cutting the education budget, they`re really going to be stupid in New Jersey. So you know what? Maybe he should take a look at that.
TINGLE: Well Paterson is saying the reason he doesn`t watch the show is because he doesn`t have time, he`s trying to balance the budget and cut the budget gap. And I was thinking of a few ideas. Number one, move the toll booth from the middle of New York to the perimeter of New York. Only charge people coming from New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts. You want to come to New York? There`s a cover charge, $8 to get in and enjoy yourself. You want to leave? Ten bucks.
WALTER: Funny.
BEHAR: Yes.
LEVY: You know the interesting thing is with Paterson, he`s at home, I know for a fact, once a week with all his guy friends and they`re watching "THE REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NEW YORK." You know, I don`t really understand, he loves Jill Zarin. He does, he does.
WALTER: And what about - in New York? That`s only a part of it too. Look, half the people down the Shore are not just people from Jersey.
BEHAR: Of course not.
LEVY: That`s right.
WALTER: That`s so silly.
BEHAR: It`s Bruce Springsteen country also, which you know --
WALTER: Thank you very much.
BEHAR: High level.
TINGLE: I have a prediction. Snooki is going to get a really conservative boyfriend that will make her wear a burqa to the beach.
BEHAR: It just so happen -
WALTER: But the poof will show through.
BEHAR: It just so happen, she doesn`t want to wear a bikini. She only wants a one-piece bathing suit. So we were thinking, there she is in her one piece. Look, she`s hardly wearing it as it is. You know here she is in a burkini. We came up with that, just to show you what she would look like if she really covered up. She says she doesn`t want people to see everything. She wants men to like fantasize about what`s underneath there.
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LEVY: Yes fantasize what`s in her brain. The real reason is she wants them to look at her hair, not at her boobs.
BEHAR: Exactly.
LEVY: She wants to cover everything up.
BEHAR: Thanks every one. Catch Lisa Ann Walter at Caroline`s in New York tomorrow night. And her show "DANCE YOUR ASS OFF" airs Monday night at 10:00 on Oxygen. And you can see the very funny Jimmy Tingle`s one-man show Tingle all summer in Cape Cod.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) BEHAR: TLC is at it again. They`ve just wrapped up a new series called "STRANGE SEX," sounds kinky. I wonder if the little people and the hoarders hook up. Take a look at a clip featuring Hattie, a 74-year-old self-described cougar.
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HATTIE, TLC`S "STRANGE SEX": Adventuresome, unconventional, mature, and magnificent. I`m a great dancer and I`m great in bed. My name is Hattie. And I am the quintessential cougar.
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BEHAR: Here now to discuss their interesting stories, are Jaiya, who is a polymorphous (ph) relationship in one of those, whatever that is, I need to find out. Barbara Carrellas, a sex education who can sink herself into orgasms. I wonder if she thinks of Ben Bernanke like I do. And Hattie, the 74-year-old cougar. Welcome ladies to the show. Jaiya, let me start with you -
JAIYA, IN A POLYAMOROUS RELATINOSHIP: Hello it is so good to be here.
BEHAR: Nice to meet you. What is a polymorphis relationship exactly?
JAIYA: It`s polyamorous - it means many love.
BEHAR: Oh I keep saying - polyamorous -
JAIYA: Morphous (ph), amorous - you know it`s great to have both to be able to morph in and out of lots of different relationships. But polyamorous means many love so I basically have two men that I am in partnership with. And it`s great because I get lots of support, lots of help and lots of love.
BEHAR: So - I see. So you have to fake it with both of them? A lot of work baby.
JAIYA: I have a rule of never faking my orgasms. Never, what`s the point? I want pleasure.
BEHAR: I know.
JAIYA: I own that pleasure.
BEHAR: I`m teasing you but do they have sex with each other, these two guys?
JAIYA: They don`t.
BEHAR: That`s what you say -
JAIYA: I get to be the center of the eve -
BEHAR: You don`t know.
JAIYA: So I get all the attention.
BEHAR: Oh yes, so they don`t do it with each other. So what - how does it work? You do with one and then he plays scrabble with his ipod and then the other one comes in and you do it with him? Is that how it goes?
JAIYA: Well usually not on the same day, we have a small child. I have a 16 month old so that does slow us down quite a bit. And we all have our own separate rooms. So we also have a love loft that my partner Ian and I share. And we go up there and have our special time together. And Dawn has his own room. So when we find the time for intimacy within our relationships, we each get date night and things like that. And that`s one of the great things about there being three of us. Is that we have the time to spend, to cultivate our relationship.
BEHAR: No one gets jealous.
JAIYA: No, we actually have a very harmonious relationship. There are times, I can say where Ian has gotten jealous mostly around you know, maybe a guy who has better financial status than he does. And I have gotten triggered by women who, don`t necessarily want a polyamorous relationship but they are unclear. And so that`s where sometimes I can get a little jealous. Somebody is unclear about what they want.
BEHAR: I see. OK, now Barbara, I hear that you take a hands off approach to things.
BARBARA CARRELLAS, LEARNED TO "THINK" HERSELF INTO ORGASMS: Sometimes, yes.
BEHAR: Explain that to me.
CARRELLAS: I do and I teach breath and energy orgasms.
BEHAR: OK.
CARRELLAS: Breath and energy orgasm -
BEHAR: I think Jaiya just had that -
JAIYA: Probably yes - I had them a lot.
BEHAR: She has them a lot.
CARRELLAS: See someone -
BEHAR: But Barbara has them without these two guys. She doesn`t need anybody to do it with. You just do it yourself.
CARRELLAS: Breath and energy orgasms or orgasms you can have using your imagination and your breath.
BEHAR: What if you have bad breath?
CARRELLAS: Well if you were doing it with yourself, it wouldn`t be a problem.
BEHAR: Right, that`s true. So how do you do it? Like show me -
CARRELLAS: You imagine sexual energy coming up your body as you breath it up your body. Thank you Jaiya -
BEHAR: Oh god, oh god, did you just have an orgasm -
CARRELLAS: I did, it started -
BEHAR: Really - I`m sorry for interrupting.
CARRELLAS: You did interrupt it.
BEHAR: I`m sorry I didn`t mean to interrupt it.
CARRELLAS: I mean there is a quickie but there`s just a thing as can`t do it quite that fast.
BEHAR: Wait, how did you come up with this technique? I mean why?
CARRELLAS: I was taught this technique.
BEHAR: Yes.
CARRELLAS: During then age crisis. I was looking for ways for people to practice more static, safer sex, and practice, want to practice safer sex. And this is one of the techniques I learned, it is based on an ancient Tantric technique, eastern Indian technique. But I learned it as a safer sex technique.
BEHAR: Why do I have the feeling that those eastern people had better sex than anybody in the west?
CARRELLAS: Well they certainly know a lot more about sex.
BEHAR: Yes.
CARRELLAS: Than we do on that.
BEHAR: The kamasutra and all that -
CARRELLAS: Yes, exactly, and I`ve read a lot of texts from the east and there has been a lot more research done in the east and in ancient times than they were further ahead 100 years ago than we are now.
BEHAR: I see that. So now, is it better than doing it with a person? That`s what I want to ask.
CARRELLAS: You can do breath and energy orgasms with a person. In fact, I teach people how to do that. I even doing that this weekend here in New York.
BEHAR: Really, really.
CARRELLAS: You can do it with a person.
BEHAR: And what was the weirdest place you ever did it?
CARRELLAS: Inside that damn MFRI machine on TLC`s "STRANGE SEX" I`m severely claustrophobic.
BEHAR: Yes.
CARRELLAS: So doing anything inside an MFRI machine, except surviving is a challenge for me. So if I can a breath and energy orgasm inside an MFRI machine, I can have one anywhere.
BEHAR: Well that might be a good technique because I`m claustrophobic, if I ever have to get in one of those, I could at least amuse myself with my own sexual behavior in there.
CARRELLAS: Exactly, that`s right.
JAIYA: Or try it in traffic.
CARRELLAS: Or try it in traffic.
BEHAR: Try it in traffic, you know, that`s good, keeps your mind off of the boring - tediousness of everything.
CARRELLAS: Exactly.
BEHAR: That`s really good. All right and on to you Hattie. Now you`re a 74-year-old woman. You got divorced in the 80s after being married for 25 years.
HATTIE, 74-YEAR OLD COUGAR: Twenty-five years, Joy.
BEHAR: Is that when you became a cougar?
HATTIE: Well I actually became a cougar when I was named a cougar after a Dolce & Gabbana ad. Now, I got divorced. We were both dancers. And when I first had sex with my husband, we had sex, he proposed marriage. I said this is the way you do this. I get divorced and I have sex with someone and I`m waiting for them to propose marriage and they don`t.
BEHAR: I see.
HATTIE: So I was either a very slow learner or a slut.
BEHAR: We`ll leave that to the audience to decide.
HATTIE: There are a lot of people that can vote on that one.
BEHAR: OK we`ll continue with this discussion in a minute. Don`t go away. We`re all going to be saying oh, good together now.
NANCY GRACE, HLN ANCHOR: Hello, hello. Stay with us, friends. We are seeking justice.
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BEHAR: I`m back with my panel and we`re talking about what some would consider their unusual sex lives. I mean Jaiya, are you planning to add more, any more men to your group?
JAIYA: One of my partners always asks me, well, how many boyfriends do you want? I don`t know. You know if I can love one person, why not love many? There`s a quote that I love, if you can love five, love five. If you can love 50, love 50. So more love to go around and love without limits.
BEHAR: OK. Well, if you like that. I mean I personally don`t like crowds, especially in my bed. I really don`t.
HATTIE: You have to not spread yourself thin.
BEHAR: Oh. Does it bother you at all that you`re called a cougar and that polyamorous - or whatever that word is yours. But cougar. Some people think it`s an insulting word.
HATTIE: Well it could be. Anything can be insulting. But if you take on people`s assessment of you and you are going to be pleased with what they have to say or share with you, then it`s just my way of showing love on the dance floor. I`m very physical and so my love is expressed sexually. Someone else can bake cookies. That`s like really fine. BEHAR: It`s really not the same.
HATTIE: Well there`s some good cookies around. But anyhow -
BEHAR: But you are 74, what`s the youngest guy you`ve been with - say this year.
HATTIE: Well he was 35, now he`s 36, time marches on.
BEHAR: So 35.
HATTIE: Yes, dear.
BEHAR: Wow.
HATTIE: Now the interesting thing is the whole concept of being an older woman who loves sex is very different from before. Joy, I use to have to like beg for sex. I loved it, I wanted it, and so I would ask for some men. And people think cougars pursue men, I don`t pursue men.
BEHAR: They come to you.
HATTIE: They come after me.
BEHAR: Well (EXPLICATIVE DELETED) you should use Barbara`s technique you don`t have to beg, you just do it yourself, right?
CARRELLAS: It`s a wonderful technique. The best thing about breath and energy orgasm is that you don`t have to choose. You can learn to have a breath and energy orgasm and combine it with the genital orgasm and you get, shall we say, a really serious bang for your buck.
BEHAR: Well - what if the guy you are doing it with has asthma.
CARRELLAS: You know, I actually teach it to people with asthma. I teach them to breath slightly differently.
BEHAR: Yes, I know, I mean, but it`s difficult if they have emphysema or asthma or something -
CARRELLAS: Actually this breathing technique -
BEHAR: You could be causing their death while they are enjoying themselves.
CARRELLAS: Actually improves -
HATTIE: What a way to do.
BEHAR: What a way to die she says -
CARRELLAS: It actually improves asthmatic breath control and breath - ability to breath.
JAIYA: I can speak from experience -
BEHAR: Go ahead Jaiya.
JAIYA: My partner John has asthma and we have energy sex all the time. We actually met at a - workshop so exactly what Barbara is talking about -
CARRELLAS: Thank you Jaiya.
JAIYA: We do breath and energy and he has asthma and it really actually helps him breath better.
CARRELLAS: Exactly.
JAIYA: So we can have more sex.
BEHAR: Uh huh, have you ever had a young guy - let`s cross over.
JAIYA: OK.
BEHAR: Do you like to do what she does?
HATTIE: I do that.
BEHAR: You would. You do it already?
HATTIE: I do it already, without touching myself, if you pulsate, and you think of something really sexual -
BEHAR: What do you think of? What`s your favorite fantasy because mine, I say, is Ben Bernanke.
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BEHAR: -- makes me hot. But go ahead.
HATTIE: I actually am inclined towards women, two women (EXPLICATIVE DELETED) just gets me off -
BEHAR: Really.
HATTIE: Uh huh.
BEHAR: Oh Hattie, you devil.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: And you, what`s your fantasy when you are trying to get yourself going? Jaiya, we know what yours is. Two guys, what`s yours?
HATTIE: She doesn`t need a fantasy.
CARRELLAS: Oddly enough, I start breathing and I start turning into different kinds of animals, usually snakes.
BEHAR: Snakes, no kidding.
CARRELLAS: And that actually gets me off -
BEHAR: Oh my, let`s all breath together and go out of this segment. Thanks for joining me tonight. The finale of TLC`s "STRANGE SEX" airs Sunday at 10:00 p.m. Good night everybody.
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