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Charlie Sheen Gets Slap on the Wrist; Where is Kyron?; Lady Gaga Opens Up
Aired August 03, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HOST: Tonight -- Charlie Sheen`s going to rehab instead of jail. So he`s just getting a slap on the wrist for holding a knife to his wife`s throat. Ok?
Then Lady Gaga performed in Phoenix and told her fans to protest Arizona`s new immigration law, then she put on a hoop skirt and snuck seven illegals over the border.
Tony Robbins is all about the power of positive thinking. In 1952, Norman Vincent Peale wrote "The Power of Positive Thinking". And where is he today? Dead. But Tony Robbins is very much alive, and he`s here tonight. Yes.
Charlie Sheen will not be going to jail on domestic violence charges much to the relief of his loved ones, CBS. Instead he`ll serve 30 days in rehab.
Here now with the latest is Jim Moret, attorney and chief correspondent for "Inside Edition". Jim, exactly what is the sentence that he`s getting? Is he going to be in rehab for 30 days or what?
JIM MORET, CHIEF CORRESPONDENT, "INSIDE EDITION": No. He`s actually not. Because he`s already spent 93 days at rehab, a facility in Malibu called Promises. He`s already taken 36 hours of anger management. So basically, he gets time served. He goes and signs his name at Promises, and they say, fine, you`re done. Then he has 30 days of probation and that`s it.
I talked to a former prosecutor today. She said this really wasn`t so much a plea bargain as it was a plea gift.
BEHAR: I`ll say. I would think he`s very happy with it, Charlie.
MORET: Sure. He doesn`t miss any of the production of "Two and a Half Men". That production begins again today. The season starts September 20th. And basically -- Charlie Sheen said yesterday he can get on with the rest of his life.
A lot of folks who are active in the domestic violence area are very upset because Brooke Mueller, his wife, did not want to cooperate. She wanted to drop the charges. She wanted to reconcile. So without her cooperation, the Colorado D.A., the D.A. up in Aspen said, we really don`t have a lot of ways to go here. Let`s make the best deal we can. I think that`s what they tried to do.
BEHAR: What`s the status of their marriage right now? Are they separated or what?
MORET: The reports are that they`re actually paving the way for a divorce. An agreement`s already reportedly been hammered out, and they can now proceed now that this domestic violence charge is behind them.
BEHAR: Now, you say that Charlie started filming again "Two and a Half Men", yes, today? Is that what you said before?
MORET: Yes, that`s right. They`re back in production at Warner Brothers, which is the studio that provides the show to CBS.
BEHAR: So did they welcome him back as you know, some kind of hero saving the show or just a cash cow? How did they view this over there at CBS?
MORET: Well, you know, this is an important show for CBS. It`s a hit show. It`s in syndication. It`s very popular. And I think that everybody involved with the show, including the network, including the other actors, the crews, they all wanted to continue for another year. A lot of people loved the show and watch it every night in syndication. And people are looking forward to it coming back on September 20th.
I mean, look, how rare is it that you have a hit TV show? You don`t want to see the show go off because somebody has legal problems. So I`m sure there are a lot of people relieved.
BEHAR: So if he was just some average schmuck who stuck a knife to his wife`s throat, he wouldn`t be exactly heralded in this manner, correct?
MORET: I think if this happened in California, given his history, I think you`re looking at a possible felony. Certainly a prosecution, whether or not there`s a conviction or not, who knows? But I think that it might have been dealt more severely certainly here in California.
BEHAR: That`s right. Ok, Jim thanks very much.
MORET: You`re welcome.
BEHAR: Always a pleasure to see you.
Now I want to bring in my panel, Stacey Honowitz, Florida prosecutor and Roy Black criminal defense lawyer who has handled many celebrity cases.
Stacey, it looks like Sheen got a sweetheart deal. Do you agree?
STACEY HONOWITZ, FLORIDA PROSECUTOR: Oh, my God, absolutely. Just to hear Jim say, to not continue the production of a show because of legal problems. We`re not talking about a contract dispute. We`re talking about a criminal violation. He held a knife to his wife`s throat. So it`s not just a minor legal infraction.
He got a gift. He got a sweetheart deal. Production`s going to go on. And once again, everybody in the domestic violence world should be, you know, in an uproar because this is what happens. Women decide I don`t want to go forward, they don`t cooperate, and then we`re left without a case.
BEHAR: Let`s listen to the 911 call that she made on the day of the incident.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
BROOKE MUELLER, CHARLIE SHEEN`S WIFE: My husband had me -- with a knife. And I`m scared for my life. And he threatened me.
911 OPERATOR: Ok. Are you guys separated right now?
MUELLER: Yes, right now we have people that are separating us. But I have to file the report or else.
911 OPERATOR: Are there other people there? Does he still have the knife?
MUELLER: Yes, he still does.
911 OPERATOR: Ok. What`s your name?
MUELLER: Brooke.
911 OPERATOR: And what`s your husband`s name?
MUELLER: It`s Charlie Sheen.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
BEHAR: Ok. Roy, what factors do you think went into the plea bargain for this particular case?
ROY BLACK, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, everybody can run around with their hair on fire, but let`s look at this logically. You got two drug addicts, two alcoholics who get into some type of a fight apparently. The problem that prosecutors have is who do you believe here? Do you believe her? Do you believe him?
If you believe her that in fact he assaulted her with a knife, then this is not a good plea for the public. If in fact, you don`t have any belief that she was telling the truth, then Charlie`s not getting a good deal. The problem is we don`t know who`s telling the truth here.
BEHAR: Well, we do know that Sheen has a history of domestic violence. That we know. In 1996, he was charged with attacking a girlfriend. So there is history here.
BLACK: But does that prove that he held a knife to his wife`s throat last Christmas? It doesn`t prove that at all.
BEHAR: It doesn`t prove it. But it doesn`t look good. If you`re doing a he said, she said, I would lean towards her just based on his history, wouldn`t you?
BLACK: Not necessarily. She went to rehab after this was over. How many times do you want to believe somebody who is an alcoholic about what kind of a fight they were in? People like that, both him and her are simply not believable witnesses.
HONOWITZ: Listen --
(CROSS TALKING)
BEHAR: So in other words if a guy -- if a man hits a woman and because she`s drinking those are equal crimes because she`s drunk?
BLACK: No, but joy, you`re assuming he hit her. Of course if you say if he hits a drunken woman, he ought to be prosecuted. That`s not the question. The question is do you believe that he hit her?
BEHAR: I see.
BLACK: What other evidence is there? Is there a witness? Is there a tape? Is there something to prove that he actually assaulted her other than her word?
BEHAR: Stacey.
HONOWITZ: That`s not -- there was a pending case. Evidently, the D.A., when they got the evidence, they believed her. They filed charges. The reason why they`re saying that the deal was so good, a sweetheart deal, is because she did not want to cooperate. Had her cooperation been there, it would have gone to trial or there would have been a much more substantial plea because he would have realized there was a witness.
In this case, he knew that she wasn`t cooperating -- I`m assuming that. I don`t know the facts of the case. I`m just listening to what Jim said. That the bottom line was she didn`t want to go forward.
Joy, you have to realize in a domestic violence case, if you don`t have the witness, you don`t have the case. We had this issue with Rihanna, when it happened with Chris Brown. Again, she said, I don`t want to cooperate; I don`t want to go forward. That puts the D.A. in a very difficult position. What happens is you have to kind of grab what you can get. In this case, that`s what they could grab.
BEHAR: Right.
BLACK: Yes. But Stacey, you`re a prosecutor. You know better than that. You can subpoena her. You can force her to testify. You don`t need the cooperation of the alleged victim. You can put her on the stand and cross-examine her and get out whatever you want.
BEHAR: So why didn`t they?
BLACK: This whole thing about women not cooperating is a not a good excuse because if you really wanted to go forward, you can get her in the witness chair.
BEHAR: So why didn`t they do that?
HONOWITZ: I don`t know why they didn`t go forward.
BLACK: That`s a very good point -- because they probably don`t believe her.
(CROSS TALKING)
HONOWITZ: Well, listen, Roy, if they didn`t believe her, you know well and good the case wouldn`t have been filed. It would have stopped right at the point after the call was made and the investigation was done.
BEHAR: So why do you think they didn`t do it, Stacey?
HONOWITZ: I really don`t know. I don`t know why it (INAUDIBLE) -- I don`t know how much resistance she had. She`s in rehab, maybe she said I have to go on with my life, I have two little babies. I can`t do this. He`s the father of the children.
I don`t know. There`s a myriad of reasons why they didn`t go forward, but in this case --
BEHAR: Ok. All right.
HONOWITZ: He got a deal. Bottom line was he got a great deal.
BEHAR: He did get a deal.
BLACK: Oh, there`s no question.
BEHAR: He`s already spent about three months in rehab. Is he finished with rehab now? That`s it for rehab?
BLACK: Well, quite frankly, with his record, he ought to be in rehab for a couple years.
BEHAR: But he`s not going to be in rehab for a couple years because CBS needs him to complete his contract for "Three and a Half Men" (SIC). Money talks, Roy.
BLACK: Well, you know, we all make judgments in life and this obviously what`s going on, what`s more important than television in our society?
BEHAR: Stacey --
(CROSS TALKING)
HONOWITZ: It really sends a lousy message. I hate to say it. I know Roy`s been practicing a long time. I`ve been doing this a long time. But when you have these types of cases in the public -- we deal with this every single day with like you said, schmucks, everyday Joes that have these cases.
But when you see it in public, it really sends a lousy message. It really does. Because people then say, what`s going on in our criminal justice system? Why is somebody like him getting a deal and somebody else isn`t? When it`s in the media, you got issues.
BLACK: Everybody else with the same circumstances would have gotten the same deal. If some alcoholic woman had claimed he committed an assault without any proof, they would get the same deal. What you`re really saying is --
HONOWITZ: I don`t think she`d like that you`re calling her an alcoholic.
(CROSS TALKING)
BLACK: Because they`re on television.
BEHAR: You know, he was also told to do -- what is this, 36 hours of domestic violence evaluation and treatment. Is that like driving --
(CROSS TALKING)
BEHAR: Is that like driving school for wife beaters? What is that? It`s like a school where they go --
HONOWITZ: It`s anger management. That`s what it is. I mean the bottom line is --
BEHAR: Stacey, your phone is ringing.
HONOWITZ: I know. I`m sorry. I`m an electronic moron; I don`t know how to turn my phone off, honestly.
BEHAR: Roy, help her out.
HONOWITZ: The bottom line is --
BEHAR: Yes.
HONOWITZ: I turned it off. I turned it off.
BEHAR: Ok.
HONOWITZ: But the bottom line is in every domestic violence case when the person is sentenced, it is like -- mandatory basically, you better go to anger management, domestic violence, you better learn how to control your temper.
BEHAR: Ok now.
HONOWITZ: Wife beater school? Yes.
BEHAR: Ok, now they`re both, to your point, Roy, they`re both sober at the moment. Not for long, though. I think it was only for a couple of months. Do you think they could make the relationship work again? In your experience, what do you think?
Roy?
ROY BLACK, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The problem here is there are children involved. You have two people who are high profile under the pressure of Hollywood, television, alcohol, drugs. Families like this fall apart quite often. It`s a sad thing.
I just hope that he can straighten his life out. He`s been trying to do it for 15 or more years. I hope finally that he realizes he has to straighten out.
BEHAR: Ok.
BLACK: I mean he`s got a great career.
BEHAR: Yes. Ok. Thanks very much, guys.
Up next, new focus on the stepmom in the search for 7-year-old Kyron Horman.
Stick around.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up a little later on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, Lady Gaga goes off on the controversial Arizona immigration law and inspiration guru, Tony Robbins, talks with Joy about what it takes to turn your life around.
Now back to Joy.
BEHAR: The search for Kyron Horman continues into its second month. And today police are reportedly focusing on a friend of the stepmom, Terri Horman, who apparently obtained new cell phones for Horman to use to avoid investigators. Meantime, Kyron`s dad says he`s living with a lot of guilt for bringing Terri into his son`s life.
With me now is Bruce McCain, attorney and a retired captain with the local county sheriff`s office in Portland, Oregon and Brian Russell, forensic psychologist and attorney. Bruce, bring us up on the latest. Will you?
BRUCE MCCAIN, RET. CAPT. MULTNOMAH COUNTY, SHERIFF`S OFFICE: Well Joy, as of today the grand jury is still meeting in Portland, Oregon in Multnomah County. Not a whole long list of civilian celebrities that we like to see. It`s been mostly detectives going in and out of the grand jury room.
But right now everybody is kind of waiting to see if and when Terri Horman`s friend Dede Spicher will ultimately make an appearance. Because as we discussed yesterday about Terri Horman --
BEHAR: Yes.
MCCAIN: -- about not calling her because of the immunity issue, there are some new wrinkles in here that may fall into the hindering prosecution area. So we`re going to keep an eye on who is going in and out of that grand jury room.
BEHAR: Well, this -- this friend brought Terri some cell phones to avoid investigators. That`s kind of a jump. We don`t know exactly why she gave her those phones, right?
MCCAIN: Exactly. And -- we`re not really sure if that`s Dede or somebody else. But the bottom line is there`s nothing illegal about buying a new cell phone Joy as you know --
BEHAR: Right.
MCCAIN: There are a lot of lawful activities that however, if they`re done with the purpose and intent to help someone avoid prosecution apprehension under Oregon law, that`s a felony known as hindering prosecution.
And this is the key about Dede Spicher, that the district attorneys is going to have to make a determination to figure out has Dede got her own criminal culpability and if so how bad is it, and is it worth trading immunity for her testimony?
But for somebody that lived with Terri Horman for ten days, one on one that`s probably going to be worth granting her immunity in exchange for testimony.
BEHAR: I see it`s aiding and abetting would be the charge I would assume in this case, right?
MCCAIN: That -- that`s kind of a common law in a lot of states, in Oregon it`s called hindering prosecution. But it`s a felony if she`s doing things to help Terri avoid prosecution --
BEHAR: Right.
MCCAIN: -- or apprehension.
BEHAR: Ok, Brian, the dad says that he`s living with guilt for bringing the stepmom into the boy`s life. He blames himself. What does that tell you about this man?
BRIAN RUSSELL, FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, do you remember the movie "The Hand that Rocks the Cradle"? The history of this family reminds me of that movie where the nanny basically came in to the house to steal the wife`s life.
But I think there may have been something else going on that facilitated it. And that would be -- when I get called as an expert Joy in a custody case, the problem that I see most often is parents putting their own immediate wants ahead of their children`s long-term needs.
And I think that that may have occurred in this case, and I think that the father may be recognizing that now, that he was not as vigilant as he might have been to warning signs that this woman posed a threat to his kids from his previous marriage.
BEHAR: I hear what you`re saying.
The dad also wished that the stepmother`s alleged murder for hire plot against him had succeeded he said. Then, quote, this is sad, "Kyron would still be here". Is -- the guy is -- is he suicidal?
RUSSELL: Well, it sounds more to me -- it sounds less suicidal Joy and more to me like better me than my son, and I think it`s a reflection of some of that guilt probably that we`re seeing. And I hope it is. Because regardless of the outcome with Kyron and unfortunately, this guy has other kids that he needs to be here to raise.
BEHAR: That`s right.
Now, Bruce, the mother -- the biological mother said that the stepmom, quote, unquote, "stashed Kyron somewhere", she believes that. The dad says she`s executing a plot. They`re sort of painting the picture of a very evil woman.
Did they not see any of this coming, do you think? I mean, if you`re evil and you`re such a terrible person, aren`t there some hints?
MCCAIN: Well, you think so, Joy. You and I touched on this yesterday very, very briefly. The problem with those two theories is that Desiree and Kaine are clinging to two theories that when looked in isolation makes sense. On the one hand, they are absolutely convinced Terri Horman plotted and planned the disappearance of Kyron though they`re not quite sure what she did.
On the other hand, they`re also convinced that he`s stashed away alive by some third party kidnapper that`s clothing him and feeding him and taking care of him for two months with no apparent contact with Terri. Those two problems right here, that`s the problem right now that there`s no nexus between those two theories. They admit they`ve got no evidence to believe it. It`s just that paternal and maternal gut feeling.
RUSSELL: Joy, can I weigh in on the warning signs issue?
BEHAR: Sure. Yes.
RUSSELL: There are always warning signs. If this woman is guilty -- the kidnapping or the shooting up of the school or the major sociopathic thing that somebody does is never the first sociopathic thing that they ever do. But in order to see the warning signs, you have to be looking at them through the right glasses.
The clear, thoughtful glasses that allow you to see not just what you want to see in them for your short-term best interests, but you have to see the impact that they may have on others, the long-term best interests and threat that they may pose to that for others, especially others for whom you may be responsible. Not just the dark emotional glasses that allow you just only to see what you want to see in the short term.
BEHAR: I love the visual things that you`re doing there. That was good. But how do you do that? It`s easier said than done. You should see it coming. How?
RUSSELL: Well, it`s like I always say to parents. Once you have a child, ok, that child`s best interests dictate every major decision of your life. If you`re not ready for that, then you`re not ready to be a parent.
So once you have children and you`re thinking about bringing somebody else into your life for reasons that you have because they meet some needs or wants that you have, you`ve got to be thinking that that is secondary to how is this person going to impact the lives of my kids.
BEHAR: I completely and totally agree with that. That is just the best thing for you to say today. And I appreciate both of you coming here. Thanks very much.
MCCAIN: Thank you.
BEHAR: Ok. We`ll be back in a minute.
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BEHAR: In a new "Vanity Fair" article Lady Gaga says she`s worried that her creativity will drain out of her va-jaja. Hey Gaga, the great Josephine Baker was always photographed with champagne. Where do you think the cork`s ended up -- just saying.
Here to discuss all things Gaga: contributing editor for "Vanity Fair", Lisa Robinson. Ok, Lisa. You sat down with Miss Gaga.
LISA ROBINSON, CONTRIBUTING EDITOR, "VANITY FAIR": Yes.
BEHAR: She really told you a lot of stuff, right?
ROBINSON: She told me a lot of stuff.
BEHAR: So tell me something.
ROBINSON: She opened up a lot about abusive relationships that she said her relationships with men often were very bad, like bad romances. Her relationships with her gay friends were very pure. She talked about bisexuality, but not really like it was any big deal. So she talked a lot about sex. She talked about drugs.
Most rock musicians, most pop musicians do not admit that they ever take a drug. So I felt it was very refreshing that she said, I really only take drugs occasionally.
BEHAR: What kind of drugs?
ROBINSON: Cocaine, I think.
BEHAR: Coke.
ROBINSON: But she was very messed up on cocaine, but then she said she hadn`t done it in, oh, six months, then she said the same thing about being celibate. She was celibate, but that didn`t mean that she didn`t have sex. I guess it`s a semantic thing, maybe she was celibate for a few months at a time.
BEHAR: Have you ever tried that?
ROBINSON: No comment.
BEHAR: I enjoy it, actually. I need a rest. I work hard.
Does she have a boyfriend?
ROBINSON: I think she has a boyfriend now, but she`s not really talking about it. The last time I spoke with her she stuck a guy on the phone to say hello. But she was very sort of coy about it. She said I`m seeing someone new.
BEHAR: So she`s not celibate.
ROBINSON: She`s not celibate. I mean when she said celibate, I think what she meant was she really works hard. She`s on tour all the time. She`s really a very, very hard working professional young woman. She`s 24 years old. She told me that she had really struggled.
I said what do you mean struggled? You`ve been in a few clubs with a couple of people booing for a few years.
BEHAR: Exactly.
ROBINSON: She said, no, she started out at 14 and 15 in New York City pretending she was her own manager, calling clubs, getting gigs for herself. So this has been almost a ten-year stretch for her to get to this point where she sold over 12 million albums with her first album at the age of 24. I mean, that`s kind of remarkable.
BEHAR: We sort of -- I mean, I like her, she`s good. I don`t really know why she needs all those costumes.
ROBINSON: Oh, it`s fun. Come on. Weren`t you bored by all these glam pop stars of the Bush era for the past ten years? I was.
BEHAR: I was bored with the Bush era, period. But in my day and probably yours, there were people who were just great singers who didn`t have to put any costumes on.
ROBINSON: Well, there`s always been great singers, but there`s also always been very flamboyant costumes --
BEHAR: You mean like Liberace?
ROBINSON: Well, whether it`s Liberace or David Bowie or Freddie Mercury or Boy George, you know. I think that she`s been very inspired by a lot of guys as well as women. People always want to pigeonhole her and compare her to other women. And I think that that`s a bit unfair to her.
BEHAR: You mean like Madonna?
ROBINSON: Yes.
BEHAR: I mean it is sort of reminiscent. Madonna did write the book on this type of behavior in a way, didn`t she?
ROBINSON: I don`t think of Madonna in relation to Gaga because first of all I think Madonna doesn`t have the voice that Gaga has and she doesn`t write the songs that she has.
BEHAR: But Madonna`s a great dancer. She`s a great dancer.
ROBINSON: Yes.
BEHAR: So thanks Lisa, very much.
ROBINSON: Thank you.
BEHAR: The September issue of "Vanity Fair" is on newsstands in New York and L.A. tomorrow and nationally on August 10th.
Back in a minute with more on Lady Gaga.
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BEHAR: The show must go on, so says lady Gaga at a recent concert in Arizona. Did she come out in support of illegal aliens or did she just want to wear the border fence as a hat? You decide. Take a look at what she told her fans at the show.
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LADY GAGA, SINGER: I will not cancel my show. I will yell and I will scream louder and I will hold you and we will hold each other and we will peaceably protest this state. Do not be afraid because if it wasn`t for all of you, immigrants, this country wouldn`t have --
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BEHAR: Here to discuss this further are comedian Marion Grodin, co- host of "Opie And Anthony on Sirius XM Radio," Anthony Cumia. And entertainment director of "Self" magazine, Laura Brounstein. She seems so much older than she is. She`s only 24 years old. And we will dababadab --
MARION GRODIN, COMEDIAN: She`s like an old broad.
BEHAR: Isn`t she?
GRODIN: She`s like an old broad. But you know, I just read a quote that she said she doesn`t like to have sex because she`s afraid her creativity will seep out of her vagina.
BEHAR: Yes.
GRODIN: And she may have had too much sex and it`s all - it`s aged her. It seeped out.
BEHAR: Yes, I know.
ANTHONY CUMIA, CO-HOST, OPIE AND ANTHONY ON SIRIUS/XM RADION: That clip looked like something out of an Ed wood movie, first of all. She looked transfixed on something. And I`m not going to take any political advice from a girl wearing a sandwich bag. What is she wearing? Yes.
GRODIN: The thing that I love though is we`re going to hold each other. That`s one of the things. She wants us all to hold each other and that we`re all going to protest each other. I just don`t see her on a picket line with like Enrique and Jesus.
BEHAR: Yes, you don`t see it.
GRODIN: I don`t see her with a be a bonnet with like the sequin on her underpants ten inch tails with her picket sign.
BEHAR: No, no, but she and Elton John have both said that they will not boycott Arizona. They both do concerts. But that we should protest anyway. People should protest. Anyway, people should protest. Don`t you think that if they really are serious, they would boycott?
GRODIN: Yes.
CUMIA: Yes, absolutely.
LAURA BROUNSTEIN, ENTERTAINMENT DIRECTOR, SELF MAGAZINE: I actually don`t know why it would make a difference in the legislative process whether or not they`re having a concert in Arizona. I think them realizing that is actually a rare and beautiful moment of reality. And it`s creating interesting bedfellows this whole story.
BEHAR: Oh Gaga and Elton.
BROUNSTEIN: Yes.
CUMIA: If you think of it though, look at what happened with South Africa. They stopped playing sun city. That made a huge impact.
BEHAR: Exactly.
CUMIA: So I think it`s kind of hypocritical to go, yes, don`t pay attention to those legislations, it`s horrible, but let`s rock. Let`s sell some t-shirts.
BEHAR: Well she feels like, that boycotting the state is not going to hurt the economy. She said, do you really think that us dumb f`ing pop stars are going to collapse the economy of Arizona.
CUMIA: Again Sun City was huge when everybody stopped playing there.
GRODIN: She has a vested interest because she is, in fact, herself an immigrant from another galaxy. So I think that she is more personally invested than she is letting on.
BEHAR: She`s really an alien.
CUMIA: She misunderstand her -
GRODIN: She`s really an illegal alien, yes, from another galaxy.
BEHAR: But the creativity coming out of her vagina.
GRODIN: Yes.
BEHAR: Can you relate to that, Anthony?
CUMIA: I`ve known a few in my day, creativity, very creative.
BEHAR: She`s kind of saying what sports boxers, they tell them don`t have sex ahead of time.
BROUNSTEIN: Yes, male athletes can say this. I mean female athletes can say -- I went out of my way to stay celibate before coming on the show.
GRODIN: You seem very on your game.
BEHAR: Yes, I works.
BROUNSTEIN: Here I go.
GRODIN: I want to say that I think it`s true from the other side of it which is I haven`t had sex in a long time and I`m writing every day like I`ve never written before. So I think it`s true. Nothing has seeped out is what I`m saying.
BEHAR: Well she has a point, though. When you`re not doing the pleasure thing, you have energy.
GRODIN: You hone the energy.
BEHAR: You focus your energy.
CUMIA: Regardless of how stupid the energy is, it`s energy.
BEHAR: Exactly.
CUMIA: OK.
BEHAR: OK now, let me give you a bulletin. The second engagement of our favorite Alaskan couple is off.
GRODIN: Right.
BEHAR: Bristol Palin tells "People," it`s over, I broke up with him. She says the final straw was him flying to Hollywood for what he told me was to see some hunting show. But come to find out it was that music video mocking my family, she says. He`s just obsessed with the limelight and I got played.
GRODIN: What`s the music video mocking the family?
BEHAR: I don`t know what it was.
GRODIN: Does anyone know what that is?
BROUNSTEIN: We tried to find it online and were unable to.
GRODIN: We couldn`t find it.
BEHAR: OK but she`s dumping him now because the final straw -- she says he just wants the limelight. What do you think about Bristol.
BROUNSTEIN: I mean the first thing that came to mind was the sad comparison between like the shining beacon of light that was Chelsea`s wedding this weekend, which was like everything you dream of kind of. This beautiful girl marrying this lovely guy.
BEHAR: Yes.
BROUSTEIN: And then the sad situation that is Bristol`s love life, but then again, she`s 19. Like at 19, you say, we`re broken up, we`re not broken up, we`re broken up, we`re not.
BEHAR: I love how her Right wing constituents would disapprove of teenage pregnancies and meanwhile she`s got a teenage pregnancy right there. Right?
GRODIN: I have trouble talking about this story because I can`t actually think about -- it`s so uninteresting -- I feel like I so don`t care about this girl. I know the story --
BEHAR: Well care for the sake of the moment. Marion for the show
GRODIN: No, no, no, no. No, I know.
BEHAR: For the JOY BEHAR SHOW. OK Marion?
GRODIN: No, I care for that, but I`m just saying - no, I will care so deeply that I just felt something in my vagina.
BEHAR: OK good. Now we`re getting somewhere.
GRODIN: Yes, but I just mean that we were talking about the fascination with her and all of this is, is like, who, really?
CUMIA: I`m just wondering if is there another guy in Alaska? Or does she have to just keep taking this guy back? This moronic boomerang?
GRODIN: A gay man like him. Gay men love him.
BEHAR: But he is not gay. Let`s not go there because he`s not.
GRODIN: Well you said, try to care, I -
BEHAR: Levi?
GRODIN: I overshot, OK.
BEHAR: Well here is something she said that I thought was interesting. She says I also want someone who has religious beliefs and a good family. That`s a dis against his mother because his mother was a drug dealer or is, I don`t know how long she was a drug dealer. So he takes shots at her family, she throwing back and taking shots at his family. They better be careful because this could be a twitter war, you know, like the Jukes and the Kally Cats.
CUMIA: Oh, like Romeo and Juliet.
GRODIN: You think they will - the other -
CUMIA: The moron version -
BROUNSTEIN: Yes, it is like the moron version of Romeo and Juliet.
CUMIA: Right.
BEHAR: She`s not stupid, though, Bristol and she`s a nice kid. I don`t really have anything against her. It`s her mother I don`t like. She`s just a kid.
GRODIN: How old is she?
BEHAR: She`s 19. She`s a child. OK, so David Hasselhoff is being roasted by comedy central. And the big joke of the night is said to be his infamous cheeseburger video that hit the internet in 2007. Take a look at the portion of the cheeseburger video from Xtra.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a mess. I`ll be fine.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tell me you`re going to stop.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m going to stop.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Promise?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Huh?
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BEHAR: Now the roasters use the video as a jumping of point. Jeff Ross joked it was the best commercial he ever made. And Pam Anderson said she really felt bad for the cow. So --
GRODIN: It`s actually, I don`t know if you know this, that`s his audition tape for "SOBER HOUSE." Yes he is actually using it to try to get on either "CELEBRITY REHAB" or "SOBER HOUSE," with Dr. Drew Pinsky. And I think he has a good shot.
BEHAR: Is there anything you should stay away from at roasts?
CUMIA: No. Everything goes. The odd thing about this is, though, have you ever seen David Hasselhoff sing "I`m a knight rider" while standing on a Transam in Germany? This is the second most embarrassing video he`s done. Believe me.
BEHAR: In Germany yes.
CUMIA: It`s horrible.
BEHAR: They love him in Germany. Why do they love him so much in Germany do you think?
GRODIN: Uh you know -
CUMIA: Because of the name.
GRODIN: Why wouldn`t they love him in Germany? He was knight rider and he saved the people on the bay with the watch.
CUMIA: Over the years the German people have done some odd things, let`s be honest.
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BEHAR: Supposedly the guy is -- he`s sober now, but then backstage at the taping he said, quote, "I want to address it the way I wanted to address it. And tonight was the way I wanted to address it." Is he still drunk, do you think? What does that mean?
GRODIN: How is not addressing it, how is he addressing it?
BROUNSTEIN: Like he leaves the roast in a very triumphant way. I haven`t seen it.
BEHAR: What`s the triumph about?
BROUNSTEIN: I don`t know. Maybe the car is back. I`m not sure.
GRODIN: He`s probably got a singing engagement. He`s going downtown, yes.
BROUNSTEIN: Supposedly it works out well.
GRODIN: His daughter took that video.
BEHAR: Yes, I know. Well that was a cry for help by the kid. You know? It`s kind of sad.
CUMIA: Pathetic.
BEHAR: All right let`s turn to "AMERICAN IDOL" another sad situation. Here is what I can`t get pass. How are they going to replace Simon Cowell? Who is going to stomp all over those young people`s dreams?
CUMIA: Yes. I have no clue. They need the grouchy British guy who seems to be the -- that seems to be the character of all these types of shows. I don`t know if they will be able to pull it off. He has kind of been the star over the years. They did replace Darren Stevens on "BEWITCHED" very successfully.
BEHAR: Oh yes.
CUMIA: I don`t think they are going to be very -
BROUNSTEIN: People are still talking about it though.
CUMIA: Of course.
GRODIN: I think they need to go a whole other way. I think they need to get a black drag queen. I think they should get Rupaul.
BEHAR: Why?
GRODIN: Because when the kids come out and sing, Rupaul will say, girl, you better work. And that`s memorable.
BEHAR: I see.
GRODIN: I like, girl you better work.
BEHAR: OK.
CUMIA: Can`t hear that enough.
BROUNSTEIN: I think they need a smart-mouthed redhead.
BEHAR: Don`t look at me. I`m busy.
CUMIA: Danny Bonaduce.
BROUNSTEIN: Kathy Griffin would be very funny.
BEHAR: Kathy well you want somebody who is going to be helpful to them.
BROUNSTEIN: I actually think Jennifer Lopez who has been bandied about, would be great at it. I think it would be like - for her.
BEHAR: Why did Ellen leave before we go?
GRODIN: Ellen didn`t criticize. She felt bad criticizing because she`s a nice person. Or they could get Rosy Perez. You better work!
BEHAR: OK, thanks guys. Catch Anthony Cumia on "The Opie And Anthony Show," weekdays from 6:00 to 11:00 a.m. on Sirius XM.
Up next Mr. motivation himself, Tony Robbins stops by to talk about celebrities psychology and his new show.
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BEHAR: Acclaimed life coach and self-help guru, Tony Robbins has been called a one-stop therapist. Like Costco, you can get canned peaches, radial tires, and self-esteem all on aisle seven. On his new reality show, "BREAK THROUGH WITH TONY ROBBINS," he helps ordinary people overcome personal road blocks. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The bank is going to come and take the house. We`re this close at this point.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And me getting a part-time job is going to solve --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s going to help. It`s going to help. We got to go through this right no now -
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The real problem in this relationship is how they argue. When it becomes you, you, you versus I feel. When everything is blaming you - it starts to get out of control. If this continues, there`s no question this relationship is going to end.
BEHAR: I`m happy to welcome to my show, Tony Robbins. Hey, Tony.
TONY ROBBINS, HOST, "BREAKTHROUGH WITH TONY ROBBINS": How are you, Joy? Nice to see you.
BEHAR: I`m good, good to see you too, you know Tony, you have helped countless people improve their lives. What makes you an expert at it? I`ve never heard that part.
ROBBINS: I`ve had the privilege now of working with 4 million people from 100 countries --
BEHAR: Four million.
ROBBINS: for 33 years, to give you an idea.
BEHAR: That`s a lot of neurosis.
ROBBINS: Everybody from -- well, I deal with people in every sector you can imagine from you know financial traders that want to turn around their financial sign to president of the United States figuring out what he`s going to do the next day to moms trying to deal with their kids to kids that are suicidal. And so I`ve had a unique experience of being with so many different people, that you start seeing, no matter who you are, you see there are patterns in human behavior, patterns that make you crazy, and patterns that make you more successful or have a greater life.
BEHAR: I can see that. At the end of the day, there aren`t that many variations in neurotic behavior.
ROBBINS: That`s right.
BEHAR: I guess, yes, but you`ve advised Nelson Mandela. I mean, what could you possibly tell Nelson Mandela? I would go to Nelson for advice, frankly.
ROBBINS: well, I had the privilege of people calling me at various times in their career when they find themselves in a tough point. And I don`t talk about what I say with them. That`s why they still call me, frankly.
BEHAR: Yes, uh huh.
ROBBINS: But you know, when I get a call of that nature, I`m obviously honored. I don`t pretend to have all the answers. What I`m best at is getting in their head and finding out what`s holding them back, what`s keeping them from being where they need to be or get breaking through. And once we find that out, it`s not that hard to make a shift.
BEHAR: I see but you`re sort of like a shrink then, but not quite? Right?
ROBBINS: Well I love all the generalizations about what it is. I`m really more of a coach. I really help people figure out where they want to be, what`s the gap, how do you close that gap, whether it`s physical or financial or your performance in business or relationships. That`s really the focus of where I go.
BEHAR: Uh huh, President Obama is in a little trouble in the country right now. You know, his -- I don`t know. What he`s been doing has not been projected properly in my opinion. I think he`s been a very good president on a lot of fronts. And people don`t seem to be getting the message. So what would you advise him?
ROBBINS: The first thing I`d say when times are really tough, when you`re going through a tough time, you want to avoid those tough interviews that give you those hardball questions like you guys did on THE VIEW the other day.
BEHAR: We were nice to him. Are you kidding?
ROBBINS: Yes. That`s the point. But what I would say is I`d have to get inside his head. He`s a brilliant man. He`s one of the smartest people that we`ve probably ever had in that office. But as you said, he doesn`t have the traction right now.
BEHAR: Yes.
ROBBINS: And the first thing I`d be doing is I`d be going to see what are the promises you`ve kept? Like getting out of Iraq in a timeframe that he said that we would. He needs to stack those into his communication. Secondly, he needs to come up with these are the promises I`ve not been able to keep but here`s why and here`s what I`m going to do. And thirdly, he`s got to tell the American people the truth about what we`re facing right now and what it is going to take.
BEHAR: But he does do that, Tony.
ROBBINS: Yes, and he`s going to continue to lose.
BEHAR: He does do that. But he has a professorial way about him. And maybe it`s not coming across. I mean -- I really think he could use a little coaching from you.
ROBBINS: Tell him to give me a call.
BEHAR: I`m going to tell him. Next time I see him, I`m telling him to call you.
ROBBINS: I figured you would. Next time you have him on the couch.
BEHAR: Yes, OK. Now, the first episode of your show featured a couple whose wedding day became a tragedy when a swimming pool accident left the husband a quadriplegic. That`s pretty heavy stuff. You helped him. I saw a clip. And it was very inspiring the way the guy has come along. I mean it was such a terrible thing. Is there anyone you cannot help, because that`s pretty deep?
ROBBINS: Yes it was pretty deep. It was pretty challenging. People help themselves. I don`t do it for them. But what I wanted to do, the economy we`re in right now, everybody is suffering at some level. And if they`re not suffering financially, they`re suffering because their family`s suffering. I thought, if we could take people who have extreme stress, people whose life seemed to have crushed and show them in 30 days changing their own life and swinging that is real, then people would be inspired. And you know, in the first 8 minutes, the guy is skydiving. He breaks through to his wife who at that point in their life feels there`s no children, no future. And I`ll tell you something really wonderful Joy, a year later we shot this a year ago. You`re seeing him 30 days later with this totally different life. Their life is so different. They`re going to Maui for their honeymoon. They`re traveling around the world. But they also during that time, they went through a cancer in his wife. She got a baseball-sized tumor in the back of her brain.
BEHAR: Oh my god.
ROBBINS: They didn`t think they could get it. You think of any family that deserves a break, it`s this family. But he was so strong. The first surgery didn`t work. He found another doctor in San Diego. He got her there. They did the surgery. Three and a half weeks ago. She`s now free and clear. They were on "LARRY KING" to share their story. Saying, she said it was almost like a blip because he was so strong from the 30-day training, that he was able to help his wife at that point.
BEHAR: Yes that`s a nice inspiring story from you. I like that. Now let`s talk to something people can relate to. There`s a lot of joblessness out there, you know, right now. People are having trouble. They`re running out of unemployment insurance. A lot of people in Congress are stopping the extensions and letting people hang out there. Which I really disapprove of by the way.
ROBBINS: I agree.
BEHAR: What would you say to people like that?
ROBBINS: Well, you can`t control the government. We can certainly try to do our best to influence it. And I agree with you. I think this has got to be a priority to take care of these people. But there`s a reality. Like the people down in the Gulf. There are things that happen to you. And what you have to do is you have to deal with the cards you`re dealt. And that means you can`t - you know you got to see life as it is. You can`t go into denial. But you can`t see it worse than it is where you say it`s over. Because then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Joy right now, the majority of Americans think that the future is going to be worse than the past not only for themselves but for their kids. And if you talk to somebody on the Gulf, they might say well we`re three generations of fishermen, the oysters are dead. You know, here is the truth. Are they dead for two years or ten years or 20? Once you know that answer, you might say I can`t do anything else. I`ve only been a fisherman. But you might have to retool. You might have to move. It`s horrific. But you know when a crisis comes, it demands a change from us. And if we`re willing to tell ourselves the truth, not make it worse than it is, we come up with a new vision and we get ourselves - and we can create a new life. That`s what people have to do.
BEHAR: Yes, I know but I think it`s really almost impossible for some people. But maybe you disagree with that. I think you do.
ROBBINS: I do.
BEHAR: More with Tony Robbins. We`ll find out more from you when we come back.
NANCY GRACE, HLN ANCHOR: Hello, hello? Stay with us friends, we are speaking justice.
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BEHAR: I`m back with Tony Robbins. You know Tony, let me ask you about something that seems to be an attractable problem in this country right now, is the obesity problem. They`re saying the children who are coming up now are going to have a shorter lifespan than their parents had because of obesity. What can we do to help these kids? What can you do?
ROBBINS: Well, what you need are new role models. The whole reason I did the break through show, you said, you know, many people can`t change. It`s not that they can`t, it is that they don`t believe that they can. And therefore they never find the tools to make that change. And kids today have so many habits that we`ve ingrained in them. We`ve ingrained in them by the way we live this mass marketing. When you and I were growing up, a soft drink size is different than what it was today. The giant gulp. And so part of it is certainly cultural. But what we can do is be the role model yourself. You`ll never get your kids to change when you don`t. I worked with a woman, just about ten years ago, I`ll never forget, a woman I met, she said there was no way she could change. She got on stage. The woman has lost 235 pounds. It`s been ten years. She`s kept it off. There`s a psychological trigger point within everybody. It is different for everybody, Joy.
BEHAR: Yes.
ROBBINS: Some kids will do things because they want to be cool. Some people do things because they want to be strong, some will do it for god, some for their parents. Some will only do it because they have so much pain, they have to change. Everyone has different triggers. But once you find the triggers you can turn on the capacity to change. How to lose weight is not complex. Getting yourself to have big enough reasons to you follow through when it`s difficult, having those reasons to push you through.
BEHAR: Uh huh, I`m interested in your process. When I was a teacher, I took an education class. And one of the things we learned was telling is not teaching. OK?
ROBBINS: That`s right.
BEHAR: Telling is not teaching. So how do you -- you`re telling people a lot of very important things. But where do you get the change of behavior? What do you do besides tell people what to do?
ROBBINS: I don`t tell them. You`re misunderstanding what I do. My whole process is a series of questions that give people an opportunity to see what`s real for them. You know, what I believe doesn`t matter. It`s what do you believe? You can`t influence somebody by telling them, but they can influence themselves when they start to have these awakenings. Usually when people, Joy, are in a position where they`re not happy with something, it`s because they`re a bit satiated. They`ve done something so long, it`s not feeding them. And then they get dissatisfied. And they get dissatisfied enough that they hit a threshold, this must change, this relationship, this body of mine, I can`t take it. And when they get to that threshold, they get an opening, an insight. When they see the truth, it`s not my boss, it`s me. It`s not I can`t do it, I won`t do it. Now you have to kind of help them kick their way through it. That`s where I show up to show them once they have that opening, here`s some strategies to do it. Here`s the fast way to produce that result.
BEHAR: OK so I see. So the person first has to have the insight and say, look, this is the way -- the reality of the situation is I need to lose weight, I need to stop drinking, I need to stop swear. What about Mel Gibson? What does he need to stop doing? And what are you going to do with him?
ROBBINS: He needs to stop holding back and express his real feelings fully.
BEHAR: Yes, that -- I know. He`s got to get over that little shyness, too.
ROBBINS: I know. If he can just do that.
BEHAR: And little miss Lindsay Lohan, what would you tell her if she were here right now?
ROBBINS: I`d say, visualize new jewelry in your future different than an ankle bracelet. That`s what I would say for starters.
BEHAR: OK, I like that.
ROBBINS: I mean -- honestly --
BEHAR: Always a pleasure to see you Tony, I`m sorry, we ran out of time.
ROBBINS: No worries.
BEHAR: We ran out of time, always a pleasure, thanks for joining me tonight.
ROBBINS: Thanks for having me on.
BEHAR: "BREAK THROUGH WITH TONY ROBBINS," airs Tuesdays at 8:00 p.m. on NBC, good night, everybody, insight, insight.
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