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Weekend Wind-up; Music Legend Neil Sedaka; The Fabulous Facinelli
Aired September 17, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HOST: This week Kate Gosselin offered her advice to Bristol Palin about her upcoming appearance on "Dancing with the Stars" but is she really the best mentor? Take a look at Kate in action.
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(EXCERPT FROM "DANCING WITHE THE STARS")
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BEHAR: Here`s what I say. There is a fine line between a samba and a seizure and I think she just crossed it.
Well, it`s been a weird week for news but definitely one of the strangest stories was that allegedly some of the New York Jets football players went a little loco because Mexican sports reporter Ines Sainz` wardrobe was mucho caliente. Here with me to talk about that story and others are actor and Sirius XM Radio personality, Jay Thomas; Carrie Ann Inaba, a judge on "Dancing with the Stars" and spokesperson for Procter & Gamble`s Give Hope Program; and the Sarah Bernhard, host of "The Thread" on Yahoo!
Ok, Jay, should it even matter what she wears, the girl? We know the story. She`s in the locker room. She is dressed in a certain suggestive way, people say. Does it matter?
JAY THOMAS, ACTOR, SIRIUS XM RADIO PERSONALITY: Well, she comes from a country where the mating call is -- hey pappy, come on pappy. I mean, she found nothing --
BEHAR: Wow.
THOMAS: She found nothing wrong. She was over at Sirius. She talked to everybody. She was turned in by a woman announcer who wasn`t being paid attention to. Now I know who it is and I`m not going to say her name but that`s what happened.
BEHAR: So you`re saying that the other woman was jealous that she was getting attention?
THOMAS: Well, but she didn`t use jealousy. She said it was sexual harassment. She was upset. She was frightened what would happen to her in the locker room. I`m telling you nothing would happen to her in the locker room.
SARAH BERNHARD, YAHOO! HOST, "THE THREAD": This story honestly makes me so angry this story.
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THOMAS: Except for Aaron Andrews, and that`s one of them.
BERNHARD: Wait a minute.
CARRIE ANN INABA, JUDGE, "DANCING WITH THE STARS": Really.
BERNHARD: I figured the story out. Basically here`s the deal. They`re both wrong. The Jets were wrong for treating her unprofessionally but she was frustratingly naive to think that you can wear something like that in an environment like that and not expect a response.
I`m the host of a fashion show and we talk a lot about expressing yourself through fashion and your style but we also talk about dressing for an appropriate situation. I mean, you cannot wear that. I would love to take this girl shopping and introduce her to a pencil skirt or a boyfriend jean or something that would make --
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THOMAS: Wait a minute. You want to take her shopping so you cover that gorgeous ass?
BERNHARD: I do.
THOMAS: Why?
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BEHAR: All right. Wait, wait -- one at a time.
THOMAS: You know what? We got to become like Mexico.
INABA: She is beautiful.
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INABA: I think it`s fine that she dressed that way. I think it`s great. That`s her thing. She is sexy.
BERNHARD: Why should I -- did she say she didn`t expect it?
INABA: I doubt she didn`t expect it. She`s from Mexico. Latin men -- come on, she grew up around testosterone and what do you do?
She is used to that. She`s comfortable with that.
BERNHARD: Somebody asked her why did she feel it was appropriate to wear her jeans that tight? She said it`s my size. It`s not my fault. What on earth does that mean? She didn`t have to wear that.
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INABA: She knows it. And she has no problem with it.
THOMAS: She is huge in Mexico.
BEHAR: What would you want her to wear, a burka? What do you want the girl to wear?
BERNHARD: I seriously would like her to wear how about a sexy pencil skirt and, you know, a tucked in white blouse? You can look totally sexy.
INABA: Why would she dress like that?
BERNHARD: Because it`s sexy.
THOMAS: You mean like Barbara Bush? You want her to look like Barbara Bush?
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BEHAR: Girls, girls.
BERNHARD: Your black halo dress you`re wearing right now, one of my favorite designers. That would have been perfect.
INABA: Why thank you.
BERNHARD: That would have been perfect.
THOMAS: Please.
INABA: She looked pretty darn hot in her jeans. I think she`s sexy.
BEHAR: All right. Let`s change the subject.
THOMAS: Yes.
BEHAR: Ok. The other big news this week, Tea Party candidates won some big primary races perhaps none as big as the Republican Senate race in Delaware where Christine O`Donnell scored a huge upset. Now is this good news for the Democrats because this girl is really loony tunes.
THOMAS: Of course it`s good news. The Democrats are going to kill in those states and this is the Tea Party, the last gasp of white people who are so frightened of what`s going to happen in a hundred years which there are not going to be any white-skinned people. I`m not that white. You`re not that white. You`re in real trouble.
But I think when she said that masturbation was adultery.
BEHAR: Yes, she did.
THOMAS: I looked at my wife and I said, "I have cheated on you 625,000 times."
BEHAR: I know. You should be wearing glasses really.
THOMAS: I said as soon as you leave town, it`s me and your underwear and we dance in the room together. You know? That`s what I do.
BEHAR: -- what she said, she`s against masturbation. That leaves all the votes in this room out. I`ll tell you right now. What do you think about somebody coming out against masturbation, a young girl?
INABA: That`s a problem. Because how do we get through half of our lives? I`m sorry. When you have a rough dry spell and there`s no man in your life, you have to --
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THOMAS: What about the little kids in Vietnam who are making the vibrators? What about those kids?
BEHAR: I don`t know about that.
INABA: I don`t know about all that, Jay. No physical --
THOMAS: This one working, pappy.
You know why I`m like this?
BEHAR: Why are you like this?
THOMAS: I haven`t masturbated in an hour. That`s why I`m like this. All right. Very tense.
BEHAR: Cure yourself and come back.
THOMAS: All right. I`m done.
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THOMAS: All right. Quiet down.
BERNHARD: Regardless of that, I man whether you`re a Republican or Democrat I think a candidate like this is really frightening because it shows that somebody can come with no experience out of nowhere and really get people`s attention. I think the article in "The Times" today was really damning because it pointed out she has defaulted on her mortgage. She apparently had an income of $5,000 last year.
BEHAR: She`s poor enough too -- she`s not rich.
BERNHARD: No, but I mean, this is not -- and she also was possibly using, abusing campaign funds to pay her rent.
BEHAR: She`s a liar. That`s a problem.
INABA: And she lied about her education.
BERNHARD: And she lied about her education.
BEHAR: And she lied about her education. BERNHARD: Right. She said she graduated and she didn`t. She is obviously not the kind of honest, responsible person that I would think people would want to vote for yet they did.
BEHAR: The whole congress is filled with liars. What are you talking about?
INABA: In a way that`s sort of the American dream. We can rise above and go anywhere with no background. You know? We don`t have to be qualified to do what we do.
THOMAS: You would think a woman on welfare would vote Democratic. That`s the weird thing.
BEHAR: Well, that`s the weird thing. I know.
THOMAS: Well, I mean, she is. She`s on welfare.
BEHAR: It`s fascinating, isn`t it?
THOMAS: It`s unbelievable.
BEHAR: How poor people would -- you know why they do that? They have a fantasy that some day they`re going to be rich so they want to get in line.
INABA: Protect the money.
THOMAS: Seventy-five percent of the Tea Party people at one of these rallies collected some sort of government, either social security or disability or whatever.
BEHAR: Yes.
THOMAS: Rand Paul, and this woman, they want to cut all that and get rid of it. I hope they do because I`m loaded. I don`t need the money.
BEHAR: Well, good for you.
THOMAS: When the Tea Partiers are starving in the streets, reaching for the Statue of Liberty, I`ll step on their fingers.
BEHAR: Ok.
Let`s go to another story.
INABA: You are so kind.
BEHAR: Ok. Kate Gosselin.
BERNHARD: Oh.
BEHAR: Ok. She is now apparently plus nine and the ninth is none other than Bristol Palin. Bristol is taking dancing lessons from a woman who looks like she is walking on land mines when she dances. What is going on over at "Dancing with the Stars"?
INABA: I have no idea. I am not a part of that. I think that is the dumbest move she could possibly make. Why would you go to Kate Gosselin who got maybe the lowest scores ever? Oh, God. Why do we have to go back there? Look at that. That is so horrible.
BERNHARD: There is a wardrobe issue too.
INABA: If she is taking lessons from, what`s her name, Kate, I think she is actually trying to get lessons in more fame than necessarily dancing.
BEHAR: You were a judge sitting there. Now, Kate is hobbling around ridiculous. What is going through your mind at that time?
INABA: What on earth am I going to say that could possibly be positive?
BEHAR: Do you have to say something positive? Do you have to?
INABA: Well, I always like to give somebody something positive so they have something to work on. I don`t think it`s just -- we`re not there to brutalize them. We`re there to encourage them but it was really hard because she sort of is unaware of herself in a way that I`ve never seen before on our show.
Like most performers have a little bit self-awareness. She had none and so it was bizarre to talk to her because she thought she was good.
BEHAR: What about the background dish that she was bitchy back stage. Is that true or not? You were there.
INABA: We don`t go back stage. I don`t know. We are totally sequestered. The dancers are on one side of the lot and the judges are way over here.
BEHAR: So you know nothing?
INABA: I know nothing at all.
BERNHARD: I think probably you`re right. Jay, look what you`ve done.
What have you done to our panel?
THOMAS: They`re all popular in Mexico. Pappy, pappy, pappy -- they go right for them.
May I say one thing? Are you a star if you are basically a brood sow because that`s what she is? She is a -- somebody -- they -- they bred her to have these children. She has no rhythm. How did she have sex if she has no rhythm? She`s like a sow, she`s like a breeding sow at a pig farm.
BEHAR: All right. Sarah, you have the last word.
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BERNHARD: I think that actually taking advice from her on a reality show is smart. She doesn`t have any talent and look where she has gone. She obviously can tell Bristol that focus on the entertainment value. That`s the key, not the dancing.
THOMAS: Hey, Bristol, seven more kids you got your own show.
BEHAR: Ok. Thanks very much. We`ll be back in a minute.
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(NEIL SEDAKA PERFORMING "BREAKING UP IS HARD TO DO")
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BEHAR: Some things just get better with age: wine, art, and of course great music. Neil Sedaka recorded that hit in 1962 and it`s a classic to this day. He is one of the most successful singer/songwriters of all time, of all time right?
NEIL SEDAKA, SINGER, SONGWRITER: Thank you.
BEHAR: And he is reaching a brand new generation of fans with his children`s sing-along book "Waking Up is Hard to do." Welcome, Neil.
SEDAKA: Joy, how are you?
BEHAR: I love the title "Waking Up is Hard to Do."
SEDAKA: My kids, my grandkids inspired it because they love the old Papa Neil songs. They love "Breaking Up is Hard to Do" so two years ago I wrote a CD and I changed all the words to my old rock and roll so we had where the toys are -- and we had lunch --
BEHAR: You wrote "Where the Boys Are?"
SEDAKA: For Connie, yes.
BEHAR: Oh I didn`t know you wrote that.
SEDAKA: And then I wrote, "Love Will Keep Us" we made it "Lunch, Lunch Will Keep Us Together." And it was number one in Amazon.
BEHAR: Oh I love it.
SEDAKA: I couldn`t believe it.
So a couple of years go by and a book publisher comes and I think it`ll make a good children`s book and the last has a CD with three songs. Two new original Neil`s and "Waking is Hard to Do" and who is singing in the background?
BEHAR: I don`t know.
SEDAKA: My granddaughters were four years old, now they are seven.
BEHAR: Yes.
SEDAKA: And they sang the doobie doos.
BEHAR: Oh that`s so -- because your tunes are so great that you know, they have a life of their own.
SEDAKA: Thank you.
BEHAR: So you`re right, you can just do anything.
SEDAKA: Grill building that was the thing -- you had to write tunes, melody.
BEHAR: That`s right.
SEDAKA: Singing, sing a bit.
BEHAR: Those were the days when you could actually hum along. I can`t hum along to hardly any song now.
SEDAKA: Eminem, you don`t know that?
BEHAR: No I don`t know.
SEDAKA: Oh.
BEHAR: You mean the rapper "I`m going to kick your ass, I`m going to punch your mother." I mean, I cannot take it.
SEDAKA: How do they remember the words?
BEHAR: Well, I don`t know.
SEDAKA: Millions of words, my God.
But -- I grew up with George Gershwin, Irving Berlin --
BEHAR: All the greats.
SEDAKA: They`re real.
BEHAR: But you know, you also come from a borough that produces a multitude of talents, Barbara Streisand, Barry Manilow.
SEDAKA: Carol King, Neil Diamond.
BEHAR: Carol King, (INAUDIBLE) everybody.
SEDAKA: Neil Diamond lived across the street.
BEHAR: Yes.
SEDAKA: I think it was something in the egg cream.
BEHAR: It was.
SEDAKA: Maybe.
BEHAR: Yes.
SEDAKA: Maybe.
BEHAR: Well, I`m from Brooklyn too, but I`m from Williamsburg, Brooklyn.
SEDAKA: I know you are, I know.
BEHAR: Yes.
SEDAKA: And I think there was something we all had to make it. You know the -- the Jewish parents had -- either a violin in the house, there is a piano in the house.
BEHAR: Mine had a brazel (ph), they were Italian.
SEDAKA: A brazel (ph).
BEHAR: Yes.
SEDAKA: And I had, I was a scholarship student at Juilliard for the piano and I must tell you some exciting news.
BEHAR: Yes.
SEDAKA: I have a hit musical in the U.K. running now and it`s going to West End. It`s called, "Laughter in the Rain" and it`s the life story of Neil Sedaka.
And it`s -- somebody plays me, somebody plays Leba (ph), somebody plays my mother, my father, Elton John.
BEHAR: And it`s playing now in London?
SEDAKA: Well, it just finished outside but it goes to the West End and "Jersey Boys" move over --
BEHAR: That`s a good show "Jersey Boys" --
SEDAKA: Move --
BEHAR: I love "Jersey Boys" too. Come on.
SEDAKA: I love it, you know every night they say there`s a scene where Frankie Valli comes in, he`s the record executive and he comes in with a big ballad and the executive says, "Who do you think you are, Neil Sedaka?" Every night all over the world.
BEHAR: Oh that`s really good.
But you know I could see where you`re life would be interesting because you`ve been a hit for many, many years but it wasn`t always easy. I mean, in the 60`s the Beatles came in and knocked a lot -- what you used to do off the chart. Am I right?
SEDAKA: I was at alert. People said, didn`t you used to be Neil Sedaka?
BEHAR: Yes.
SEDAKA: Whatever happened to you? But then in `75, a guy by the name of Elton John -- did you ever hear of him?
BEHAR: Yes.
SEDAKA: He love my old records, he was starting a record company and he said I`m going to make you a record star again.
So 1975 "Laughter in the Rain" Sedaka is back.
BEHAR: Well, that was Elton John did that for you.
SEDAKA: He is the record label yes.
BEHAR: That was good.
SEDAKA: I think.
BEHAR: But I mean, it must have been tough, I mean, you know, here you are on top of the world with all your great songs and then these four guys come in and they killed a lot of people`s careers.
SEDAKA: I used to make $50 a night doing demos -- playing in demos studios.
BEHAR: Yes.
SEDAKA: You know you have to really -- want it very badly as you know.
BEHAR: You`ve got to -- you have to need it. I need it to work.
SEDAKA: Yes.
BEHAR: So what do you think of Lady Gaga, I`m curious what you think of her.
SEDAKA: I think she sings well.
BEHAR: Yes.
SEDAKA: I like the, the standards she`s sang on the "Today" show and -- Leba and I went and it was a little loud.
BEHAR: Well, yes.
SEDAKA: So for half hour, we had to leave, I`m sorry Lady. But she sings and she writes well.
BEHAR: Yes. What about the outfit? She wears meat, what do you think about the meat?
SEDAKA: I never had to do that.
BEHAR: Well, could you consider maybe wearing a brisket next time you appear somewhere?
SEDAKA: Corned beef, a pastrami on rye maybe.
BEHAR: All right. Now there`s a petition making its way around the Internet to get you into the rock `n roll Hall of Fame. Have you signed it?
SEDAKA: Of course. I think there`s about 25,000 people.
BEHAR: And what do you need?
SEDAKA: I don`t know. I`m in the song writer`s Hall of Fame. I have a sign, a Neil Sedaka Street in Brooklyn.
BEHAR: Do you consider your music rock `n roll or pop?
SEDAKA: I would say pop.
BEHAR: It`s more pop. And there`s no pop music --
SEDAKA: But I was one of the --
BEHAR: Ronald Reagan knew --
SEDAKA: I was one of the beginnings of rock `n roll, American rock `n roll.
BEHAR: Yes.
SEDAKA: We called "Happy Birthday Sweet 16" and "Calendar Girl" rock `n roll.
BEHAR: Frankie Avalon and all those guys were pop right?
SEDAKA: Yes.
BEHAR: They were not. Well, he didn`t sing, did he sing, Frankie Avalon?
SEDAKA: He had his voice, yes.
BEHAR: I was thinking of other groups like, you know, like the ones who used to do the thing, you know, The Temptations and all that -- that was rock music, no.
SEDAKA: R & B.
BEHAR: R & B.
SEDAKA: We were more of the white, very clean cut, (INAUDIBLE) American band stand.
BEHAR: Right. Oh, I know Pat Boone used to steal all the music from the great black artists and just white wash them and made them into nothing and made zillions of dollars.
SEDAKA: Probably Little Richard.
BEHAR: And don`t think Little Richard didn`t resent it. I have to go, Neil.
SEDAKA: That`s it?
BEHAR: Yes. That`s it, darling.
SEDAKA: You`re leaving me.
BEHAR: It`s quick, because it`s fast. Just like sex. Thank you, Neil.
SEDAKA: I love you.
BEHAR: We`ll be back in a minute.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don`t come here. Go away.
It`s exhausting. I`m just trying to figure out --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There is no come here. It`s all go away. Go away. Ok? Go away.
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BEHAR: That was a clip of actor Peter Facinelli in one of my favorite shows, "Nurse Jackie". An he`s here with me now. Welcome Peter.
PETER FACINELLI, ACTOR: Oh, thank you very much.
BEHAR: You know, you just were telling me during the break that you were married for 15 years to Jennie Garth. My God, that`s fantastic. In Hollywood years --
FACINELLI: That`s about a thousand years.
BEHAR: It`s a thousand years. What`s the secret of staying together -- you`re both wonderful performers.
FACINELLI: I take it one day at a time and they end up adding up.
BEHAR: You have three children?
FACINELLI: Three kids.
BEHAR: Three girls?
FACINELLI: Three little -- well, 13, 7 and 3.
BEHAR: What are their names? I must hear this.
FACINELLI: Luca Bella Facinelli, and Lola Ray Facinelli and Fiona Eve Facinelli -- they`re all one name. Usually -- that`s not their middle names -- that`s why I say Luca Bella, Lola Ray and Fiona Eve. They`re all one.
BEHAR: I see. Luca Bella Facinelli, that`s some name. Come on.
FACINELLI: Come on. Luca Bella Facinelli. It rolls right off.
BEHAR: "Nurse Jackie", I really like the show.
FACINELLI: Thank you very much.
BEHAR: But I understand that it`s controversial. First of all, you`re very funny on the show.
FACINELLI: Thank you.
BEHAR: And now that I`ve met you, I don`t think that you are your character. I mean you do that character so well, I thought I was going to meet a person who was like that.
FACINELLI: Very high strung.
BEHAR: High strung, narcissistic and just a wonderful character.
FACINELLI: Thank you.
BEHAR: Who did you base that character on?
FACINELLI: I didn`t. The writing is so good, I just kind of -- I just kind of came up with that guy. I like playing him. He`s kind of like -- he`s kind of like a 12-year-old boy trapped in a man`s body.
BEHAR: Exactly.
FACINELLI: You know, it`s funny.
BEHAR: But you`re a doctor and you`re a good doctor.
FACINELLI: Yes.
BEHAR: That`s what`s interesting about it.
FACINELLI: It depends on what day of the week you get him on. He might kill you of an earache or cure you of cancer.
BEHAR: But a lot of times, he gets it right.
FACINELLI: Yes.
BEHAR: Nurse Jackie just has this incredible interest in you.
FACINELLI: Well, she`s always messing up my world.
BEHAR: Her world is -- she`s a nurse, obviously and she`s a drug addict. She cheats on her husband. She`s a very bad girl.
FACINELLI: And she keeps it all secretive, which is what`s so interesting. She leads this dual life.
BEHAR: Exactly. But the nurse association, they get mad at her for that.
FACINELLI: Yes, yes, somewhat, they do, they do. But it`s not -- we`re not saying every nurse has a drug addiction and cheats on her husband, we`re saying this nurse does. It`s not called nurses, it`s "Nurse Jackie".
BEHAR: Exactly.
Ok, now tell me about your involvement with the charity Cookies for Kids` Cancer.
FACINELLI: Yes. I teamed up with Glad Products Company. We`re helping Cookies for Kids Cancer and we`re doing a bakeoff, this cookies bakeoff. So it`s me, Joan Cusack and Jayma Mays and we`re trying to see who can raise the most funds and Glad Products is going to match dollar for dollar -- every dollar we raise up to $200,000.
So you can go to Gladtogive.com and you can sign up to support one of our teams. And you can also go on there and maybe even hold your own bakeoff, bake sale. And the proceeds will go to charity and Glad will match it.
BEHAR: Very good.
FACINELLI: It`s a fun way to get involved and to help fund research for pediatric cancer.
BEHAR: Thanks very much Peter for showing up.
FACINELLI: You`re wonderful.
BEHAR: It was very nice to meet you.
We`ll be back in a minute.
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BEHAR: NFL officials began questioning New York Jets players and coaches yesterday about allegations of sexual impropriety towards Mexican sports reporter Ines Sainz. Of course, they held the questioning at Hooters but still. Here`s what she had to say about the controversy when she was on my show yesterday - the other day.
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INES SAINZ, PSORTS NEWS REPORTER, TV AZTECA: Everybody tried to make noises and expressions about myself, but I have eight years working in this kind of thing and in Mexico and in Europe and in other parts, so I decided that it`s better go to focus on my job and don`t pay attention.
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BEHAR: That`s a good idea. So did Sainz invite the cat calls and suggestive comments with her provocative attire? Or do women deserve to be treated professionally regardless how they dressed? Even in testosterone fueled environments. With me are Jillian Barberie0Reynolds co host of "GOOD DAY L.A." and former NFL correspondent, Bonnie Bernstein, sportscaster and host of 1050 ESPN radio, and Max Kellerman, CNN contributor and sports analyst. OK, let me start with Jillian. OK Sainz defended this picture of what she to practice that day claiming it`s not appropriate. See the picture. OK.
JILLIAN BARBERIE-REYNOLDS, CO-HOST, "GOOD DAY L.A.": Yes, she`s very hot.
BEHAR: Saying it`s appropriate, I`m sorry. Do you agree or is she being naive, you know, when she says it`s not inappropriate? Jillian?
BARBERIE-REYNOLDS: Well I think it`s a little bit of both, Joy. I`ve been on the NFL -- at the NFC conferences for many years. I did three Super Bowls working with the NFL for ten years. I wore jeans and sweaters. Look, she`s a beauty queen. Let`s call it what it is and let`s not be naive. She`s known for her beauty. Didn`t she win a big beauty contest. So too --
BEHAR: I think she was miss Spain I think, yes.
BARBERIE-REYNOLDS: OK, she`s miss Spain. She didn`t win the contest for, you know, the academics of it. It`s a beauty contest. So she is beautiful obviously. And of course that`s going to draw attention. Joy, I can tell you, you can draw as much or as little attention as you`d like on the sideline. Quite frankly, being there for ten years I`m almost offended that I didn`t get cat called like that but --
BEHAR: Really?
BARBERIE-REYNOLDS: Well, it is a matter of -- she looks a certain way and she`s going to get attention for it.
BEHAR: All right thank you, now she tweeted after the practice that she was embarrassed by what they were doing but she didn`t feel threatened by it. I have to put that out there. What do you think she expected though? She -- you sort of have to know there are going to be cat calls in a locker room if you come in with tight pants. I`m not saying they were right. It just saying it`s a little disingenuous to say you`re shocked by that.
BONNIE BERNSTEIN, SPORTSCASTER: You`re talking about two different things. The first question is: should they behave the way they allegedly behaved? And men and women are allowed in locker rooms. And there should be equal access and equal professional treatment. But I sort of agree, if you`re going to walk into a locker room with skin tight jeans and that`s the way you want to portray yourself, I don`t know how anybody could be surprised if there are going to be looks. Because the attire, Joy, doesn`t justify the behavior.
BEHAR: No.
BERNSTEIN: But you`re naive to think --
MAX KELLERMAN, CNN CONTRIBUTOR AND SPORTS ANALYST: Bonnie was a gymnast. Did you ever put on as tight jeans as I could and walk into a locker room.
BERNSTEIN: I don`t know if I would be able to walk, period if I ever put on jeans that tight. But yes, I`ve won jeans in a locker room. But they`re more conservative, I have a shirt that covers it. It`s just -- to me it`s all about how you want to be perceived. And I just think I`m a little more conservative --
BEHAR: Shouldn`t she be treated respectfully regardless of what she`s wearing?
KELLERMAN: On the one hand she was dressed inappropriately. I think that`s obvious. On the other hand - also, it depends, what was being said? Was she getting whistles? I mean you saw her when she was talking to you out on the street she was getting whistles. You heard guys yelling while she was talking to you.
BEHAR: Were they yelling at her, we don`t know? Who knows. It`s New York --
KELLERMAN: It sounded like it. On the one hand she was dressed inappropriately and on the other hand, if the guys were saying rude, obnoxious things, then that is also inappropriate. Whether or not she could anticipate that sort of thing.
BEHAR: Right but I mean Bonnie, is there anything wrong with using sex appeal in a job, really? I don`t know that there`s anything really --
BERNSTEIN: It depends how you want to frame your career. And Joy, frankly, I think this is one of the big problems. I think women in our business, particularly on the sports side get caught up in trying to figure out am I a journalist or am I an entertainer? If I`m an entertainer, perhaps I`m more apt to dress up the sex appeal. If I`m a journalist, and that`s what I consider myself. I grew up ready for --
BEHAR: That`s what you consider yourself a journalist?
BERNSTEIN: Yes. A lot of people, I get it, a lot of people don`t. But I wrote for my high school paper and college paper and majored in broadcast journalism. And when I`m in a locker room, I want to be getting eye contact with somebody. I want them listening to my questions and in the event they find me attractive, that`s lovely and flattering.
BEHAR: But why is she responsible for their stupid behavior no matter what she wears, really? It`s almost like, you know, when a girl walks in Central Park at night in short skirt maybe --
BERNSTEIN: Different setting, though.
BEHAR: They blame her. They say why is she out in the middle of the night, why is she dressing like that?
KELLWEMAN: Well this whole idea that there`s a blaming -
BEHAR: It`s none of their business when she`s out really or what she`s wearing.
KELLERMAN: I think the blaming of the victim, I`m not quite sure what she is a victim of. She didn`t claim that she was sexually harassed. She tweeted what she was - you know because we`re in this culture now where everyone tweets, that`s so narcissistic, I woke up in the morning. I`m having a cup of coffee, I`m talking to my friend, I tied my shoe. And so she`s tweeting in the locker room what was happening. She felt embarrassed, supposedly, because these guys were giving her cat calls or wolf whistles.
BEHAR: All she`s doing is thanking the NFL at this point and thanking the Jets.
BERNSTEIN: There were mixed messages. There are mixed messages though. On one hand she tweeted she was embarrassed.
BEHAR: Right.
BERNSTEIN: And I`m going to die of embarrassment. And on the other hand she`s spoken with other news outlets, where she thought it was all in good fun, I didn`t pay much attention to it, I didn`t feel threatened, but the bottom -- KELLERMAN: Have you seen -- did you see the website, the Azteca website of her employer has her in a bikini, several shots of her in a bikini in sexual pose poses.
BEHAR: So.
KELLERMAN: This is on her website.
BEHAR: So what.
KELLERMAN: In other words, she is using her sex appeal to advance her career actively and billing herself that way.
BERSTEIN: And that`s her choice.
KELLERMAN: If she gets cat calls, to me that`s not a big deal.
BEHAR: OK, jump in Jillian. Go ahead.
BARBERIE-REYNOLDS: Yes I totally agree what you guys are saying. Much like Bonnie, I have a journalism degree. It`s how you want to be perceived. I`m sure I could have worn the bubble butt jeans and crop tops. Whatever. It is what it is. And I don`t think she`s trying to mask herself as something she`s not. She said she`s the sexiest woman in sports.
BEHAR: The hottest reporter.
BARBERIE-REYNOLDS: The hottest, excuse me. She`s hot. Just ask her. She`s sizzling.
KELLERMAN: Jillian, you seem very into her, I got to say - I mean you know.
BEHAR: What are you trying to start a rumor of lesbianism.
KELLERMAN: I`m just saying it`s the fifth comment she made.
BEHAR: She identifies, Jillian. She`s hot also.
KELLERMAN: Clearly.
BEHAR: Whatever.
BARBERIE-REYNOLDS: I don`t know what Max means by that. I do know that, you know --
KELLERMAN: Joy, do you know what I mean?
BARBERIE-REYNOLDS: I don`t know that you can have it both ways. Either -- there are beautiful women. I walked with Pam Oliver for ten years. I don`t think Pam is -- she`s one of the most respected sideline reporters in the NFL. I don`t think she`s ever had this problem. This is the first time in her 100 interviews she`s ever had this problem. I think we can vilify her and say as much as we want about her. I don`t think I would have worn a belly shirt out there.
BEHAR: The men who run these leagues and everything, also the networks, they want her to look like that. She`s only doing what the job description sort of requires. Isn`t that true?
BERNSTEIN: I think there`s actually a bit of a cultural divide here. I think they do, to Max`s point about Azteca website, they do play up her sexuality. I think we see that more in entertainment here. By and large in sports, you see it sometimes, you see it other times.
BEHAR: Yes.
BERNSTEIN: But overall, Joy, I agree with Jillian, I know Pam`s not had an issue in my almost 20 years in the business, I`ve never had an issue with the NFL. And they`re going after this and addressing it.
BEHAR: So you don`t have that when you go into the locker room, they don`t come on to you that way or cat call or anything like that to you.
BERNSTEIN: I`ve never had an issue in an NFL locker room.
BEHAR: Because you`re an attractive woman. Why don`t they do that to you.
BERNSTEIN: Maybe they don`t find me attractive.
BEHAR: They do. I think they do.
KELLERMAN: I think Bonnie`s a professional and her resume says it and she takes her job seriously and she`s not simply exploiting her sexuality to get ahead.
BEHAR: These guys, some were naked in the locker room, I understand. Have you encountered that?
BERNSTEIN: Inevitably, that will happen on occasion. They`re getting out of showers, they`re usually very diligent about wrapping towels around. But that`s the other side of this. There`s been a lot of debate as to whether women should be in the locker room. It`s our job.
KELLERMAN: Or if reporters should be in there, they should have a separate room for this, they don`t need to, male or female.
BEHAR: Jillian do you get this kind of behavior towards you?
BARBERIE-REYNOLDS: No. And, again, I was on the sideline for many Super Bowls and talked to the players. Do they come and say flirty things? Absolutely as they were warming up. But it was never an issue. I never took offense t it. And to what Bonnie is saying if you go back and look at, I mean are males allowed in the female -- let`s say synchronized swimmers or gymnasts -
BEHAR: They`re allowed to be in some locker rooms.
BARBERIE-REYNOLDS: Are male reporters allowed in to see women?
BEHAR: Yes. IN some
KELLERMAN: The WNBA.
BEHAR: Right. Men do go in there.
BERNSTEIN: And I just know having been a college gymnast, I would feel terribly uncomfortable with men in the locker room. But you have to understand, Joy, we`re in there because we`re on a deadline, we`re getting interviews. We don`t have time for guys to take their showers and get dressed and put their jewelry on and call their wives.
BEHAR: So you can`t wait until they are finished - because that was an issue. Why not wait until they -
KELLERMAN: I think that most athletes are uncomfortable with reporters in the locker room, period.
BERSTEIN: And I get that, I totally get that.
BEHAR: All right, I think I`m going to walk around in a hot outfit at the bocce court in Central Park from now on and see what happens.
KELLERMAN: So if I whistle, do I get in trouble, Joy?
BEHAR: Yes, you will but I might enjoy it. You never know.
Thanks, everybody.
Up next, HLN`s Nancy Grace joins me with some crime updates and to tell us about her new show, SWIFT JUSTICE.
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BEHAR: Well she is known as a tough-talking former prosecutor who isn`t afraid to tell it like it is. Now she has a new show where she is the judge and jury. Take a look.
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NANCY GRACE, HOST, SWIFT JUSTICE: You are trying to suggest I shouldn`t be angry that you victimize people that are less strong, less cunning than you? You have permanently scarred your child. All right. And yes. I`m mad about it. Whether you are -- whether you are or not, somebody in this room should be mad. Case closed.
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BEHAR: Here with me now is the host of SWIFT JUSTICE, with Nancy Grace, she also has a show right here on HLN, the one and only miss Nancy Grace. Hello, Nancy.
GRACE: Hey, Joy.
BEHAR: That guy was scared.
GRACE: He was like, what?
BEHAR: He was scared of you.
GRACE: I don`t like bullies. He was a bully. He got busted. Was cold busted.
BEHAR: Notice how someone is bullied, they bully the next one, kick the dog.
GRACE: What surprised me, the wife just stood by and let it happen. You know what, it`s not OK.
BEHAR: No.
GRACE: Yes, they can be afraid of the bully themselves but once you have children it`s your duty to protect them.
BEHAR: A lot of times children who are abused by their father are just as angry with their mother for standing and not doing anything.
GRACE: Exactly. A lot of times they blame the mother as much as they blame the father.
BEHAR: That`s right. You have to protect your children. Now, just to start off another topic, Oprah Winfrey is wrapping up 25 years on television. And this is her final year, and she`s going over to her own network. I mean, are you going to become the new queen of talk show?
GRACE: I`m refusing to accept that Oprah is leaving. I don`t think it`s going to happen, not in my world. I`m going to keep watching her reruns that I`ve recorded. I can`t take it in that Oprah is actually going to leave. It`s not happening!
BEHAR: Well, it is happening with be Nancy, let`s get real here. It is happening and she`s going to be gone.
GRACE: Well, I think it`s going to leave a huge void. I don`t think anybody --
BEHAR: There`s going to be an opening. I`m trying to push you into that slot.
GRACE: I don`t think anybody can fill that slot. They`re looking for the new Oprah, the Asian Oprah, Hispanic Oprah. There`s not going to be another Oprah, period.
BEHAR: you have a new show, "swift justice." it`s going to get you in the courtroom again without having to commit a crime. It`s a good thing, isn`t it?
GRACE: It`s similar to the days I was in the courtroom. I love it. What`s so great about it, Joy, is when they first approached me about a court show, I cowl not imagine what could be different than Judge Judy who is the gold --
BEHAR: Or all the other judges.
GRACE: She`s the one. She`s the gold standard, the queen of the courtroom. She deserves that title. So how can we do this without trying to pretend to be Judge Judy.
BEHAR: Right.
GRACE: We`re doing our own thing. There`s no fake robe, gavel, pretend sheriff sitting there with a fake background like it`s books. No, it`s the real thing. We go beyond the litigants. We don`t stick with just them. They bring on witnesses. We have Joy, you`d love this, we have giant monitors that turn into electronic witness stands.
BEHAR: Uh-huh.
GRACE: We beam in witnesses from all over the country.
BEHAR: The witnesses won`t be there.
GRACE: A lot of them are there.
BEHAR: You can satellite them in.
GRACE: That`s right. Witnesses, experts, blood spatter, DNA. Let me see the notes. I might need this in a case against you in the future. Handwriting analysis, body analyses, and my personal favorite, the lie detector. There are cases that I stop right in the middle of hearing it and say, you know what, I think you`re both like. Let`s just strap everybody up to the old polygraph.
BEHAR: Strap them up. But that`s not admissible in court.
GRACE: Actually, lie detectors are admissible in court if both parties stipulate in advance that they will agree to them coming in.
BEHAR: Oh. Why would someone do that if he`s a liar?
GRACE: Exactly. That`s why nobody ever stipulates. They know they`re lying.
BEHAR: Exactly.
GRACE: It`s swift. That`s the deal.
BEHAR: It sounds interesting. It sounds like you`re there to solve the mystery of the crime instead of people yelling.
GRACE: It is. Not only that, the good thing is, I had a guy the other day, he created a whole new identity in another state, not for another woman, not for drugs, because he was an addicted gambler. He took a job, he`s highly intelligent.
BEHAR: He found himself in his own witness protection program.
GRACE: He started a new bank account, credit cards, his wife and child would not find out about.
BEHAR: He`s a sneak.
GRACE: At the end of the show he admitted that he loved gambling more than his wife or his little girl.
BEHAR: All addictions take precedence over all relationships.
GRACE: They do.
BEHAR: That`s what a drug counselor friend of mine told me.
GRACE: It`s true.
BEHAR: It`s the fact. I saw a clip from the show where you`re hugging someone. Are you getting soft or were you giving them the Heimlich maneuver?
GRACE: They deserved it. Not getting soft.
BEHAR: You`re going to have moments of hugging.
GRACE: It`s like everything in a real courtroom. No case is cut and dry.
BEHAR: But the judge doesn`t hug the litigants.
GRACE: Yes that`s their problem.
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BEHAR: Well, I`ve never heard of that. I think you`re going to be your own original thing, Nancy.
GRACE: It is original. And you know what, I don`t think I would have embarked on it if it were not original. And real and new and stood for something.
BEHAR: So you`ll hug but you`ll also not literally but figuratively slap.
GRACE: Slap. There`s a lot of justice being handed down, Joy, a lot of justice is going down in that courtroom and it`s swift.
BEHAR: OK. We`ll be back with more from Nancy Grace in just a minute. I`m not scared of you.
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BEHAR: I`m back with the Indomitable Nancy Grace.
GRACE: I can`t believe this is the chair that Carol Brunette sat in.
BEHAR: It is, it is.
GRACE: You know, I watched that show and replayed it back three times.
BEHAR: That was a fun interview for me, too, I enjoy her. She`s so great. She`s one of a kind, too. All the originals come on this show. Now when I say the name Joran Van Der Sloot, what comes to your mind.
GRACE: Did you say Joran Van Der Sloot?
BEHAR: Sort of.
GRACE: I try to avoid that tiny pitfall by saying Joran. I know that`s also wrong but it`s not Joran.
BEHAR: OK I know so, what words come to your mind when you hear his name.
GRACE: Well obviously killer, double killer. But not only that but a miscarriage of justice, because Natalee Holloway`s murder, an American girl, an innocent American Girl, an honor student, a good girl --
BEHAR: Right.
GRACE: Was murdered brutally alone. She had nobody to help her. And Aruba, the government of Aruba has done nothing. But confiscate the law. And this is their fault - Joran Van Der Sloot is their fault.
BEHAR: The Aruba government you blame, mostly.
GRACE: The government -
BEHAR: So you are sure he killed her.
GRACE: I have no doubt in my mind.
BEHAR: No.
GRACE: He also killed Stephany Tatiana, the Peruvian girl that -
BEHAR: Flores. Isn`t it Flores?
GRACE: Stephany Tatiana Flores -
BEHAR: Oh OK.
GRACE: That`s her first and second - first and middle name.
BEHAR: So you think he killed her, too.
GRACE: I have no doubt in my mind that he killed her.
BEHAR: Why can`t they nail him? But I mean he recently admitted to feeling guilty. What is he guilty about?
GRACE: Well what is alluding to feeling guilty, like I care about his emotions is that he tried to extort the Holloway family to $250,000. And the only reason he`s feeling guilt about it is he`s caught dead in the water, red-handed on water, on audio, on video, witnesses, John - set the whole thing up by a great lawyer. And they busted him. And so if he finishes in Peru, or does, he`ll come here for a little home cooking.
BEHAR: I see. Now let`s talk about this -- did you read the story about the bride who pretended she had cancer so she could get --
GRACE: I covered it.
BEHAR: Oh you -
GRACE: Are you telling me did not see the show that night?
BEHAR: I must have out with Carol Brunette that night.
GRACE: That I will completely forgive. OK this woman pretended to have stage four cancer.
BEHAR: Really?
GRACE: An extremely aggressive form of cancer -
BEHAR: Right, right.
GRACE: So she could get donations for her wedding. She got a designer wedding dress, she got all the wedding photography, deluxe photography, the whole kit and kaboodle for free, an all-paid expense trip to the Caribbean on their honeymoon, everything, the food, the catering. Everything.
BEHAR: Did she tell it to her husband, too?
GRACE: She lied to her husband. I counted up 11 grammatical errors. I thought some doctor she wrote to try to convince her husband about her treatment. It was just --
BEHAR: What was she planning to do when she found out she didn`t have cancer?
GRACE: She`s healed. She`s cured. Eating right, drinking nothing but water and exercising has cured her.
BEHAR: Oh yes, good, let her tell that to people who are suffering.
GRACE: That`s for all the cancer patients suffering today.
BEHAR: I know exactly. You know what, I have a good feeling about your new show, Nancy, I think it is going to be fabulous. So thanks.
GRACE: You know what, you`ve kicked it off with a lot of -
BEHAR: And I`m thrilled that you`re here today. Thanks for doing that.
GRACE: Thank you Miss Joy.
BEHAR: Watch NANCY GRACE right here on HLN every night at 8:00 p.m. And her new show, SWIFT JUSTICE, airs Monday to Friday, you have to local listing for that right.
GRACE: Best syndicate all across the country.
BEHAR: Best syndicate, thank you all for watching, good night, everybody.
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