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Paris Pleads Guilty; Lohan Arrest Warrant Issued; Welfare for Octo- Mom?
Aired September 20, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HOST: At the top of the show here for you tonight, a clip of Delaware`s Republican senatorial candidate Christine O`Donnell.
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CHRISTINE O`DONNELL (R), DELAWARE SENATORIAL CANDIDATE: I dabbled into witchcraft.
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BEHAR: OK. Can I just say, Christine, you can`t just dabble in witchcraft? You can dabble in macrame, you can dabble in lesbianism if you`re so inclined, but witchcraft involves blood, the occult and irritating Gregorian music. That`s a commitment.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up on the Joy Behar Show -- Lindsay Lohan could be back in jail after failing a drug test. Her first stint in the slammer and rehab didn`t work. So could a longer stretch behind bars help the starlet stay sober?
Then cooking queen Rachael Ray dishes on her alleged feud with Martha Stewart and Paula Deen.
Plus, the doctor`s in the house. Dr. Oz gives his take on weight loss, sex after 40 and Michael Douglas` cancer battle.
That and more starting right now.
BEHAR: Let`s talk about a couple of bad girls in the news. Paris Hilton pled guilty today to two misdemeanors for cocaine possession. The move will likely keep her out of jail, but it looks like another bad girl, Lindsay Lohan, doesn`t have the same luck. A warrant has been issued for her arrest after the actress reportedly failed two drug tests.
Here with me to talk about all this and more are Lisa Bloom, attorney for the Bloom firm and Michael Lohan`s attorney, Judge Glenda Hatchett author of "Dare to Take Charge: How to live your live on purpose"; plus the lovely and talented psychotherapist Robi Ludwig.
Welcome to the show ladies.
ROBI LUDWIG, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Thank you.
BEHAR: Glenda let me -- she`s definitely going to be avoiding jail, Paris, am I correct?
JUDGE GLENDA HATCHETT, AUTHOR, "DARE TO TAKE CHARGE": It`s very interesting, yes. Clearly they worked out a deal. She`s not going to serve any jail time. But what people have to remember, though, is that there`s always the underlying term of the probation. So if she does anything to violate that probation, she could be back. She could go to jail.
BEHAR: I see. She`s on one year, that`s right.
HATCHETT: Yes.
BEHAR: Lisa what about Lindsay? She`s definitely going back, right?
LISA BLOOM, ATTORNEY FOR MICHAEL LOHAN: Yes, I think it`s highly likely. And I think that`s sad because the jail system here in Los Angeles is really a revolving door as she`s already learned from two prior occasions where she served just a couple of days or maybe 10 or 20 days. It doesn`t do anything for her.
Why do we incarcerate addicts when they don`t hurt anyone but themselves? It`s not doing anything. It`s not helpful. It`s not productive. But I`m sure that`s what`s going to happen to her once again.
BEHAR: Well, because they incarcerated a couple of people like Robert Downey Jr. was incarcerated. And it apparently works. That`s part of why I think people think it`s a good idea. Is it a good idea Robi?
LUDWIG: Well, for some people, you know, that`s their bottom. And they say to themselves, you know what? This is not really the route I want to go in my life. Maybe I should try something different.
And in certain cases -- and listen, I don`t believe in incarcerating drug addicts either, but in some cases they are a danger if they`re driving drunk, they can hurt themselves or somebody else even though that`s not their intention.
HATCHETT: And I agree with both of you that this is a revolving door. But at the end of the day, the whole idea of her going into therapy hasn`t worked. And maybe this is the wake-up call, the hit rock bottom that she really needs and maybe that`s what it is.
I don`t suggest that that`s what we need to do. But somehow she doesn`t seem to be taking this seriously. Just a few weeks in therapy doesn`t seem to be enough.
LUDWIG: You know, some people need punishment, right? Isn`t that the idea behind incarceration?
BEHAR: I tend to think that AA meetings help a lot of alcoholics. And she has been going to AA meetings for the past two days. Do you think that would work or is she trying to say something to the judge?
HATCHETT: But has she really been going or is that just plead mercy for the court? She`s only going for the last two days. I`m really not convinced that that`s a sincere effort and it`s certainly not enough.
BEHAR: Wouldn`t that have helped her?
LUDWIG: It doesn`t work magically. Your intention has to be that -- and everybody has to take it one day at a time. If you really feel -- if you`re very self-destructive and you feel that the rules do not apply to you, maybe you need to be put in jail to say, hey, you know what? You`re no better than everybody else just because you`re a Hollywood star.
BEHAR: It seems like they get preferential treatment because they are famous.
LUDWIG: They do.
BEHAR: And maybe it`s because the judges are sick of them. Get them out of my face. Go ahead, Lisa.
BLOOM: It`s not necessarily preferential treatment. If you`re a celebrity, you`re basically in solitary confinement most of the time that you`re in jail. And that`s very difficult psychologically. Imagine being alone 23 hours a day. All you can do is read. Sometimes you can watch TV. I mean, it`s tough. It`s tough psychologically.
BEHAR: Especially --
BLOOM: Let`s not pretend that jail is an easy thing for a celebrity.
BEHAR: No, it`s not, especially for girls like these who crave the spotlight and who like the attention.
Ok. Another story. Remember the octo-mom, Nadia Suleman? She had six kids and then went and had eight more. That`s 14 kids. Her lawyer says she`s broke and may lose her home and go on welfare.
Lisa, did everybody see this coming? We all saw it coming, didn`t we Lisa, that she`s in dire terrible financial straits now?
BLOOM: I think so. I saw her on Oprah say that she was very sorry, she made a mistake. She realizes this was a terrible thing having all these children. Now she has to take responsibility for them.
We can`t let these children suffer because of the decisions their mother made. They have to have food, clothing and shelter. If she has to go on welfare, so be it. She`s not the only person in this economy who needs some help. And we have to take care of those children.
BEHAR: You have to take care of the children.
HATCHETT: The children have to come first in this situation. And again, just because the mother has made these decisions, we shouldn`t penalize the children. And you know, they have to be taken care of.
BEHAR: But she`s resistant to it. She doesn`t want to go on. And she told Radar, She doesn`t want to go on welfare and she told RadarOnline that her current funds will last only one week.
HATCHETT: The children will be taken away from her. The reality is if she cannot provide for them and she ends up with now --
LUDWIG: She might be able to get a reality show though. I mean look, we live in a day and age where bizarre and extreme people get a lot of attention. Sometimes they get their own shows.
But here`s the psychological reality. Kids want their mother, their mother to be the right kind of mother for them. So really, it is in the best interests if we can somehow help her out financially and she gets her feet on the ground. Now, she`s an ill person. Hopefully that can happen.
BEHAR: The thing about it -- maybe this is out on a limb. But she did not abort any of these children, any of these fetuses, right? Can`t some of these pro lifers who have some money help her out?
LUDWIG: I think that`s a great idea.
HATCHETT: That`s a great idea.
BEHAR: A lot of pro lifers out there, they call themselves pro lifers, I call them anti-abortion. But they`re out there with a lot of cash and they can help the woman.
HATCHETT: Like, put up or shut up.
LUDWIG: I think also there`s a lot of anger because we expect women, when they become mothers, to be healthy, to be able to take care of their kids, to be able to have the right amount of kids that they`re able to financially take care of.
BEHAR: She has incurred tremendous wrath, hasn`t she, Lisa? She has made people hate her. Why?
BLOOM: Well, you know, she has because she made a terrible choice to bring eight additional kids into the world when she already had six that she couldn`t support.
But look, a lot of people have more kids than they can support. A lot us, if we`re honest, have made bad mistakes in our lives. That`s what she did. And she`s come clean and she`s apologized and now she`s doing the best she can. I mean, she`s a human being who has made a mistake and has a lot of kids now who need help.
I think we should we should help her. I think we should help those kids. I think we should stop piling on her. By the way, I think it`s a shame that she`s consistently being offered these porn films for a million dollars or half a million dollars. That tells you a lot about gender in our culture that that`s her best economic option right now.
BEHAR: I have two words for those kids. The Von Trapp family -- get an act.
Tea Partier Christine O`Donnell`s video hits keep coming fast. First: the one where she denounced masturbation; and now another clip has surfaced where the Delaware senatorial candidate -- it just trembles to say that -- admits to dabbling in witchcraft.
Bill Maher played it on HBO`s "Real Time". Take a look.
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O`DONNELL: I dabbled into witchcraft. I hung around people who were doing these things.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Having fun?
O`DONNELL: I`m not making this stuff up. I know what they told me they do.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do they do?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whoa, whoa. I want to hear.
O`DONNELL: One of my first dates was a witch on a satanic altar and I didn`t know it. There`s a little blood there and stuff like that.
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BEHAR: You know, I`m not a shrink, but this is the crazy train this girl is on.
LUDWIG: Yes.
BEHAR: Robi, I mean --
LUDWIG: Did she do that after denouncing masturbation? I don`t know.
BEHAR: Yes. But you know, we`re laughing at this, but this woman could be a --
HATCHETT: A senator.
BEHAR: A senator from Delaware, Joe Biden`s state. Ok.
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BEHAR: I mean scary in a certain weird way.
LUDWIG: It is a little scary, but also she did this when she was young. And I think we need to allow -- I`m not saying her judgment is good -- I don`t know her. I don`t know that much about her. But we also need to allow people to change as they grow. Express themselves when they`re young, make mistakes and change their point of view. Do we really think that she`s into witchcraft? I don`t really buy it.
BEHAR: No, it`s a silly thing. It`s silly season for this girl. Lisa, is this worse than the anti-masturbation video she put out? Because that could hurt her politically too.
BLOOM: You know this is the first interesting thing I`ve heard about her. If you haven`t done something a little wacky in your youth, then I think there`s something wrong with you. She dabbled in satanic rituals and witchcraft. Ok. Now she seems more like a human being to me. It`s the masturbation stuff I just can`t --
BEHAR: Really? What were you up to in high school, Lisa? What were you dabbling in?
BLOOM: My mother would kill me if I told you on national TV.
BEHAR: What about you girls? Do you have any dabbles?
HATCHETT: Listen, I was a juvenile court judge. I`ll never fess up.
LUDWIG: You`re smart. Twitter or Facebook didn`t exist when I was a girl. That`s all I`m saying.
HATCHETT: The guys I used to date -- oh, my mercy.
BEHAR: But you know what, Robi? Nobody normal seems to be running these days; there`s crazies around.
LUDWIG: Well, who is not crazy?
BEHAR: I don`t want them representing me.
HATCHETT: Right.
BEHAR: I believe in psychotherapy. Maybe she should go to a shrink.
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LUDWIG: Maybe and I`m available, but I think also we know a lot more about people than now than we did in the past. And maybe we`re just finding out --
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BEHAR: I mean here`s a girl. She`s been abstinent. She`s 41 years old, according to her, abstinence make the heart grow fonder. And she doesn`t masturbate. And yet she`s going to make public policy about sexual behavior.
LUDWIG: Well, she denounced it. Whether she hasn`t done it is another story.
BEHAR: A-ha, we don`t know.
LUDWIG: That`s very interesting.
BEHAR: She should come on my show.
LUDWIG: Yes.
BEHAR: And talk to me about.
HATCHETT: She should but --
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BEHAR: Yes.
LUDWIG: Ok.
BEHAR: Ok, thanks very much.
Now, the adorable Rachael Ray joins me next.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up a little later on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, Dr. Oz drops by to talk about weight loss, sex after 40 and Michael Douglas` battle with cancer.
Now back to Joy.
GREGORY: Media mogul, Rachael Ray, is debuting a new show on the cooking channel. "Rachael Ray`s Week in a Day" and she`s also celebrating the fifth anniversary of her daytime talk show.
I don`t know how the woman finds time to do all this. She must order in a lot.
Take a look at today`s season premiere of Rachael Ray shot on location with the Kardashians.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is gorgeous. Beyond. You`re not leaving. We`re holding you hostage.
RACHEL RAY, TV HOST: I know. Right? And beautiful tomato salad with watermelon. Just a little flat leaf parsley, salt and pepper.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s incredible.
It`s so good.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s good, right?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This doesn`t look simple, but once written out, it`s so simple.
RAY: It is look the paragraphs are really short and everything.
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BEHAR: I`m so happy to welcome back to my show, the lovely Rachael Ray.
RAY: Nice to see you again, Joy.
BEHAR: Now, these girls are weight obsessed. Did they actually eat the pasta?
RAY: I swear to you, they all ate, they packed up the leftovers, broke them up, put them in each other`s fridges. They sent some home with mom for her and Bruce. And they ate. You know Kim was on her way to do Leno and she still took time to have a good bowlful.
BEHAR: Maybe she`s bulimic. Did you ever think of that?
RAY: No I don`t think so.
BEHAR: It`s possible. She`s shoveling food in her mouth and she stays skinny.
RAY: They are gorgeous, they are really --
BEHAR: Finger down the throat, Rachael it`s possible.
RAY: I don`t think so. Because their skin looks great and that makes your skin looks terrible.
BEHAR: Oh it does?
RAY: Yes.
BEHAR: And it must give you bad breath and bad teeth.
RAY: I would imagine and she`s got beautiful of all of that.
BEHAR: Yes she is.
RAY: Yes.
BEHAR: Ok, now, I have to ask you of something a very national importance. "The Enquirer" --
RAY: National importance.
BEHAR: Says that you Martha Stewart and Paula Deen are in a kitchen war.
RAY: That is so ridiculous.
BEHAR: Did you read it? It`s like a --
RAY: I never read that, no. I mean I have, you know honestly, I have so much to do in my day, that`s something I really don`t need to take time for.
BEHAR: Of course not.
RAY: We are not in a kitchen war. Paula Deen is a love -- she`s a straight-up riot. I love her to death. And Martha was one of my favorite guests ever. She was --
BEHAR: According to "Enquirer" she says, Rachael is a drunk. That Martha said you`re a drunk.
RAY: She would not -- well, I don`t know if she would know one way or another.
BEHAR: And that you said, and that you said I want to slap Martha.
RAY: I never wanted to slap Martha, not once.
You know if it wasn`t for Martha, the entire genre, Martha and Emeril of the Food Network --
BEHAR: Yes.
RAY: None of us that work in this business that do this type of programming, we wouldn`t have a job.
BEHAR: Yes, of course, she`s a -- she`s a pioneer.
RAY: Absolutely.
BEHAR: No, but "The Enquirer" makes a lot of this stuff up.
RAY: Oh my God, I mean, I`ve done everything but sleep with aliens -- or I haven`t had a date on a satanic altar.
BEHAR: No. But -- not yet. But Paula Deen might have.
RAY: You bet your bottom dollar there. I bet you. I bet you she`s got some tales to tell, I do.
BEHAR: Ok now, this is a very busy week for you, because it marks five years of your talk show and five years of marriage.
RAY: John and I have been married five years. We`ve been together for ten. It`s our fifth anniversary at the magazine and the fifth anniversary on the daytime show.
BEHAR: So which is -- which is more stressful, being married or doing a talk show?
RAY: Honest to God, John is as easy as breathing.
BEHAR: He`s easy.
RAY: He doesn`t mind when he`s going to eat dinner. We eat dinner at 10:00 some nights, midnight some nights.
BEHAR: Yes.
RAY: It doesn`t matter. We still spend that time together in the kitchen. You know he`s easy.
BEHAR: He`s easy.
RAY: He`s easy.
BEHAR: I had a shrink who said just find someone who is pleasant to be with.
RAY: Yes, well that`s good advice. We all, if you live long enough and you`re lucky enough everybody turns into a turtle. All you`re going to bet --
BEHAR: Yes.
RAY: It`s not like you`re having fantastic sex when you`re in your 80s or 90s. You need somebody you really like to literally hang out with and do nothing.
BEHAR: Right.
RAY: To be turtle like with.
BEHAR: You mean in my 80s and 90s, I`m not going to be having fantastic sex. Even though Dr. Oz --
RAY: You could be having sex.
BEHAR: Dr. Oz --
RAY: Dr. Oz says you could, though, right?
BEHAR: As long -- as far as he`s concerned if I put a mirror in my vagina, I`m all set.
RAY: You know what? Tommy, our friend Tommy, his grandmother, she`s got quite a nice --
BEHAR: Listen the nursing homes -- they`re jumping in each other`s bed.
RAY: They`re -- hopping in out --
BEHAR: Viagra`s the crack cocaine of the nursing home.
RAY: Well, first thing, John`s good in that room, too, in that department.
BEHAR: All right John --
RAY: Not just the kitchen, honey. You`re good in the bedroom, too.
BEHAR: Now, you told Craig Ferguson on the "Late Late Show" that you have a list of women you are kind of gay for.
RAY: Oh yes, it`s true.
BEHAR: Now, who is your number one?
RAY: Tina Fey, absolutely.
BEHAR: You`ve got the hots for Tina Fey.
RAY: Gay for Fey. Absolutely, Ray is gay for Fey.
BEHAR: You like a funny woman, I guess.
RAY: A funny woman, you`re looking pretty cute right now, Joy. That`s a good shirt.
BEHAR: So -- so on the scale of let`s say Kim Kardashian and Angela Lansbury, where do I fit in?
RAY: You know what? You`re moving up, you`re moving up.
BEHAR: Ok.
Ok now, a new television ad blames fast food for obesity-related deaths. And it`s causing quite a stir. Let`s look at this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: High cholesterol, high blood pressure, heart attacks; tonight, make it vegetarian.
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BEHAR: That`s a real fun commercial, isn`t it?
RAY: Yes.
BEHAR: Is it fair to blame McDonald`s --
RAY: No.
BEHAR: -- for all the deaths in the world?
RAY: It isn`t. And for a lot of -- I work so much because of our -- our Yamo (ph) kids charity and the work we do with the First Ladies office and the terrific initiative she has, the "Let`s Move" and checking these schools a lot.
I spend a lot of time talking about this. And I -- I don`t like finger wagging when it comes to anything. I think if you want to change eating habits --
BEHAR: Yes.
RAY: -- it has to be a conversation. It has to be step by step small changes. And you cannot blame families that are struggling, they can`t afford to keep the animals -- they are giving -- all the shelters are full because they`re deciding feeding their families and feeding their kids and feeding their dog.
You can`t tell people that have a handful of pennies to spend on a meal that it`s -- it`s a bad thing that they went and bought a hamburger.
BEHAR: Right, right.
RAY: For God`s sake.
BEHAR: Right.
RAY: It`s ridiculous. It`s our problem as a country to make good food more affordable and more accessible to everyone.
BEHAR: That is your campaign.
RAY: I think we`re making great strides there. When it comes to improving our diets, take baby steps. If you can afford it, buy whole wheat pasta instead than plain pasta, small changes like that. I don`t like those finger wagging shock ads when it comes to any topic, on anything.
BEHAR: Ok. We`re going to take a break. And we`ll be right back with more from Rachael Ray.
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BEHAR: Ok. We`re back with more with Rachael Ray. We were talking about people feeding their families when they don`t have a lot of money. Like we were discussing the octo-mom before; she`s broke and she`s facing eviction. She`s on welfare. How can someone like that feed their children? I mean, they have like five or six kids, what do people do?
RAY: You know, thankfully there are great food banks and community kitchens out there. There are lots of programs where you get double your assistance dollars if you`re buying at a farmers market or you`re buying green vegetables.
But as you and I always talk about, if you grew up Italian, you know that you buy big, you buy in bulk, you cook a whole chicken and you get several meals out of it. You have to cook the way people did back in the day.
BEHAR: And portion control.
RAY: Absolutely.
BEHAR: Which is a good thing anyway.
RAY: It`s a great thing. Portion control, buying big whole foods, having a good food fund in the family. Loose change. All the little bits and pieces of money that you don`t think really add up, just throwing that into a jar. Once a month, I take my loose change jar in the coin star to the bank or the grocery store. You`ll be surprised. You find 30, 40 bucks you didn`t really know you had.
BEHAR: Yes.
RAY: And then I think really forcing yourself to make ahead. Go to the store, buy whatever`s on sale. Go home --
BEHAR: Plan.
RAY: Right. Plan and make a few meals ahead. That`s the whole concept of the week in a day show is to get a leg up on it.
BEHAR: Oh, I see. Very interesting.
RAY: Cook for a whole week in a day.
BEHAR: And pasta (INAUDIBLE). That`s what I recommend.
RAY: That`s exactly right. Beans, root vegetables, water.
BEHAR: The Spanish know it. The Italians know it. Those are peasant foods that are delicious and nutritious. We lived on that.
Ok. Here are some questions from Twitter. You`re so busy, how much sleep do you get at night?
RAY: Last week I got five hours, four hours and three hours in the middle of the week when it was my busiest. On the weekend, I`ll stay in bed until you literally drag me out.
BEHAR: so you try to make up for it. That`s not really good.
RAY: I know. And it doesn`t work. I`ve had doctors on that tell us all the time that doesn`t work. It`s just the truth.
BEHAR: All right. Why don`t you wash anything before you cook it?
RAY: What are you talking about? I wash a lot of things.
BEHAR: That`s what someone thinks. You don`t wash the food.
RAY: I wash all my produce the day you bring it home from the store. It`s a tip I`ve given people over and over again, year after year.
BEHAR: So it`s prewashed, ok. Hello out there. She has people washing the food.
RAY: Yes. Of course. All of the food that we`re preparing --
BEHAR: She doesn`t have to wash her own food.
RAY: -- is, in fact, washed.
BEHAR: Do you ever get those days where you don`t feel like cooking? Of course.
RAY: Of course, sure. We go to Motorino Pizza, my favorite pizzeria in New York.
BEHAR: Ok. Where did you find your husband? Where did you find --
RAY: At a party for tall people, no kidding. It was a cocktail people where people were very tall. John and I were very short. We saw each other across the crowded room.
BEHAR: Seriously?
RAY: We`re at same eye level.
BEHAR: Didn`t know there was a party for tall people.
RAY: A mutual acquaintance of ours had asked each of us do we want to meet the other. This person was so fast lane, we figured, no, we probably won`t get along with that person. She was very tall. At the party she had a lot of other tall people, ex-boyfriends, friends of hers. It was a room full of tall people for real.
John and I saw each other, we walked directly towards each other. We started talking that night. We`ve been together on the phone or in person every day since the day we met. Ten years ago.
BEHAR: What a nice story. Would you consider doing "Dancing with the Stars"? Everyone else has.
RAY: You know, they`ve asked me. The costumes are too small. I mean I`m fitter than I ever have been, but I`m not going to get that fit not unless I`m near the grave.
BEHAR: Well, short people are always better dancers.
RAY: I`m not a bad dancer, but I don`t take a lead well because I dance alone in my house. My husband hates dancing, didn`t even dance at our wedding.
BEHAR: Well, compared to Kate Gosselin, you`d be like Ginger Rogers.
All right. It`s always a pleasure
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RAY: Thank you darling.
BEHAR: You`re so adorable. Be sure to check out Rachael`s new iPhone app called Tasty Bites.
RAY: Goody.
BEHAR: Up next, he`s a doctor and he plays one on, Dr. Oz joins me.
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BEHAR: Dr. McDreamy has nothing on my next guest. He`s TV`s favorite doctor, the host of the "DR. OZ SHOW" which just began its second season. Hello, Dr. Oz.
DR. MEHMET OZ, HOST, "THE DR. OZ SHOW": I`m so happy to be here.
BEHAR: I`m happy to have you. I love - I love talking to you about different stuff.
OZ: Now I`m going to interrupt you for one second. I went apple picking this weekend. I do it every fall. And I took the liberty of picking an apple for you. It is a perfectly rounded green apple. Has all the nutrients you want. The pectin, I know you want the fiber to keep your poop regular. The vitamin C you want to keep your skin looking young. So here, to my teacher Joy Behar.
BEHAR: Thank you.
OZ: I love you.
BEHAR: You know when I was a teacher but no one ever brought me an apple.
OZ: Well now you got one.
BEHAR: Guns and other weaponry.
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BEHAR: OK I want to talk to you about sex today. There`s a lot of sex in your thing this week, so I want to talk about it -- on your show. But I want to first start with Michael Douglas because it`s in the news and he started treatment for throat cancer. And he says he`s getting this incredible support from cancer survivors, from strangers. I know that it`s important when you`re ill to have your people, your significant others around you, but how important is it to get help from strangers?
OZ: It`s essential. You know what allows humans to survive, it always has, allowed us to survive, is the fabric of people around us. So perfectly unknown individual can come into your life and create that cobweb of support that you need when you`re falling. Let me give you a statistic -- if you have a major crisis in your life, especially financial, divorce, bankruptcy, you get sued.
BEHAR: Right.
OZ: The average loss of life from that stress is about seven years. Think about that. If you have a social --
BEHAR: You mean, will only survive seven years with that?
OZ: No, you will live seven years shorter than you would have.
BEHAR: Oh, I see.
OZ: Now if you have a social network and you, even perfect strangers, that reduction is less than a year. So there`s a huge benefit -
BEHAR: Wow.
OZ: For someone like Michael Douglas being pushed up, propped up, made to feel that he`s just a drop falling into the ocean of humanity. What hurts us a lot as we get older - especially and throughout our lives - - we feel separate from everybody else approximately that`s the friendships we rely on so much. And again, what allows humans to survive in our darkest times. It will work today.
BEHAR: It`s what the Germans call a mine shaft. It`s about the community, very important stuff. But I think that what`s really important also is that he gets super good health care because he`s rich.
OZ: It works both ways. I`ve taken care of my share of VIPs. What you don`t want is VIP care. Because all of a sudden people don`t do what they normally do. The chairman of the department --
BEHAR: Because they`re scared.
OZ: They`re scared. And they start doing things they haven`t done in years -
BEHAR: Right.
OZ: Because they want to show off. And slowly you spiral down this abyss of poor care. The smartest thing I ever heard from a patient of mine was a doctor, orthopedic surgeon. He came to me for aneuritic (ph) value operation. And as he`s lying on the table, Dr. Smith, you`ll be going to sleep now. He said, no, it`s Mr. Smith. I don`t want to be Dr. Smith until I leave the hospital. Treat me like a regular patient because the regular guys get OK. Now what Michael Douglas did wisely and so did his wife, because they asked questions. They got the first opinion, and second opinion, then a third opinion. Why is that important? If you get a second opinion, which only 10 percent of us by the way because we`re worried about messing up that precious covenant with our doctor, we don`t want to create awkwardness. Forget that. You get a second opinion. It will change your diagnosis or your therapy one-third of the time. Think about that. A third of the time you get a different therapy than if you hadn`t asked the question.
BEHAR: Really.
OZ: And so the question is why are you shy? So think about this. You`re like a butterfly. You are populating different flowers within the medical profession. And if you get a second doctor and the diagnosis is different, the first doctor learns from that. And ever other patient that they will ever see for the rest of their career benefits because you taught that doctor about a new diagnosis. Because you got a second opinion.
BEHAR: Well you`re assuming that the first doctor isn`t an overblown narcissist.
OZ: If he is, you shouldn`t be seeing him.
BEHAR: Yes but you don`t know that maybe until you get the second opinion, and then you test it.
OZ: But sometimes the second opinions are wrong ones.
BEHAR: And maybe the third is yet another opinion though. Three different opinions on the same illness.
OZ: It`s not rare. We did a campaign for New York Presbyterian hospital where I practice.
BEHAR: Right.
OZ: We talk about all these high tech devices we had and these cool machines. Then we sat back and said wait a minute, the first thing a patient asks me is not what`s the newest robot you have. It`s doc, do I really need the operation?
BEHAR: Yes.
OZ: And the most valuable thing you can tell a patient is you`re not ready for surgery yet. You can wait for a while. That`s a second opinion that I know we get as you move up the chain to better physicians. Most docs actually hold back without being too aggressive.
BEHAR: Oh let me talk sex now. Because in your show this week you`re discussing women`s vaginas.
OZ: oh, is that right?
BEHAR: OK, let`s watch.
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OZ: This is a new vaginal wall in your 20s and 30s.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
OZ: Now what I want you to do is take this hammer.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
OZ: All right, I want you to try to put a hole in the vaginal wall in your 30s. Go ahead, hit it again. Go ahead. Now, let`s look at the vaginal wall in your 50s and beyond.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t want to know this because I`m 57.
OZ: You are?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
OZ: All right then well hit it gently.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, oh.
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BEHAR: Well, that sucks.
OZ: That`s going to be bad, that`s painful. Feels painful, doesn`t it?
BEHAR: Well the thinning of the vaginal walls. It ruins your sex life really because it hurts.
OZ: We hear this complaint all the time. So we actually got together, three world class gynecologists and we had a little symposium. Gynecologists guide to sex after 40. And the place they wanted to start, and they all agreed on this, was anatomy. I said, why? Said because women spend too much time looking for their g-spot. They don`t understand that there`s clitoral atrophy that occurs as they get older.
BEHAR: Clitoral atrophy?
OZ: Yes, believe it or not.
BEHAR: I was having a bad day as it is.
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OZ: It is harder to hit harder to find. It`s tough.
BEHAR: What age does the clitoral atrophy set in.
OZ: As soon as your estrogen levels starts to drop. You know by the time you are in your 40s. You start to experience it and it gets worst as you get older.
BEHAR: So what does it mean, it`s harder to have an orgasm.
OZ: Harder to find the clitoris so it is hard to have an orgasm.
BEHAR: It`s hard to find it.
OZ: It starts to get folded in. You know you can still find it. And obviously, women who, you know, who are well past menopause can have meaningful sex. By the way, one of the little tips we gave everybody is get a mirror and examine yourself. Because there`s a couple things that can happen. You could have that very fragile wall that we showed in the little demonstration from the show. If you that, then you actually want to massage the inner wall a little bit. To relax it, you can use olive oil for that, by the way.
BEHAR: What?
OZ: Yes, I love olive oil, it is a Mediterranean diet but in a different way.
BEHAR: Who will massage the vaginal walls?
OZ: That was a tip from one of those experts. And she`s absolutely right. People call in and say, yes, that`s a good idea.
BEHAR: She`s massaging her own vaginal wall -
OZ: Yes and she shared it with her patients.
BEHAR: Can you have a girl come in and do that?
OZ: You can probably have somebody do that. Because it is foreplay. But the thing is that people get very anxious about all this stuff. And you know the other thing you got to do is, you got to be able to look inside that wall and see what color it is. We had little palettes. This might actually be helpful for your audience.
BEHAR: Yes.
OZ: You have to look in there and see what color are you. So you see that the healthy is the salmon pink color. And if you have thinning vaginal wall, eggshell or beige. You don`t want that color. And by the way the outside skin color doesn`t matter. The inner color needs to be the color that I`m showing there.
BEHAR: How do you see that? You have to put a flashlight up there?
OZ: A flashlight and a mirror and look. You can examine each other, I guess.
BEHAR: Who am I cirque du soleil here?
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OZ: Yes but if you got that, you need to deal with that.
BEHAR: But let`s say, dr. Oz, that you`re older so you probably can assume that your vagina is thinning and it`s a pink color, it is not a good pink. So why do you have to look at it?
OZ: No first of all, as you`re going through perimenopause, you`re not sure where you are on that path. And that`s where women get turned off from sex because they enter the that period of time where it`s uncomfortable. It`s not as rewarding as it used to be. It can be distressing when you don`t reach orgasm. So you want to know what your estrogen levels are because that`s a very easy thing to fix.
BEHAR: How, how do you fix your estrogen levels.
OZ: You can estrogen cream, there are little suppositories you can put in there. There`s all kinds of ways.
BEHAR: They`re saying that`s dangerous all that hormone replacement. I stopped taking it a long time ago.
OZ: Well hormone replacement therapy when taking it 20 years after menopause and you have risk factors for heart disease, that worries me a lot. But if you are taking it during peri-menopause - and you are having problems, I wouldn`t just take it to prevent problems that don`t exist yet. But if you are having an issue, like inability to sleep, hot flashes, you`re miserable because you don`t have sex. Well you want to be in a sexual famine in life, you want to be able to have intimate relations. So go to check it. And you know these -- they have all kinds now of local ways of administering estrogen. But the other thing, it`s not always estrogen, there are other things that can cause the problem. Sometimes you just begin to get tight in there. You have to use dilators to relax the area. In order to be able to --
BEHAR: Oy.
OZ: And I brought you a matching set.
BEHAR: But you know, the menopause, women do report that they have a lower sex drive. And that`s probably normal. What are you supposed to do about that?
OZ: Again --
BEHAR: Besides the pain and the thinness of the walls, what about the need and the desire? It sort of diminishes.
OZ: It doesn`t diminish in everybody. At least a quarter of women and men --
BEHAR: Those are the ones who are finding new boyfriends.
OZ: Exactly. They`re actually hunting them down.
BEHAR: It doesn`t diminish in those.
OZ: It doesn`t diminish but they have something going on, probably related to their diet, probably related to the amount of activity they have and the prophylactic techniques they`ve used to maintain physical prowess. If you don`t use it, you lose it. So they stay active. However, at the end of the day, if you have no libido, one of the first things I do is check your testosterone. I wouldn`t just give this stuff out, but for men and women, that`s one of the least used medications in the lay public and one of the most used by the medical profession.
BEHAR: OK now what are the side effects of taking testosterone besides a mustache.
OZ: Mustache is one of them. But for women who have already low levels there are very few side effects.
BEHAR: Really.
OZ: From a little bit of testosterone.
BEHAR: So it doesn`t harm your health to take testosterone low levels.
OZ: As long as you`re levels in your blood are already low and you are just making your levels back to normal, there`s no major risk factor.
BEHAR: That`s interesting.
OZ: And by the way, for any of these hormones, I recognize, you know, there`s a big eco-system in there, lots of stuff, lots of moving parts. I don`t want to willy-nilly throw them out. But inability to have sex, Joy, is an independent, in my opinion, risk for not living as long. And we know that women who don`t have meaningful sex, playful sex -
BEHAR: Yes.
OZ: Have a shorter life expectancy. And we know that men --
BEHAR: That`s right, that`s true.
OZ: They go from having once a week which is the average to twice a week, they live three years longer. Not a bad trade-off.
BEHAR: That`s pretty good information. And we`re just getting started with Dr. Oz. So we`ll be back in just a bit, so stay there.
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OZ: It`s a strawberry with some pesticide on it. You eat that food and those chemicals get in your body. And they muck up who the liver functions. And that takes the fat cells and obese-ogens, for example, grows those fat cells. You see how they get nice and big and porky and fill the whole area. And all of a sudden, your whole body starts to feel the penalty because of this.
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BEHAR: OK. We`re back with the host of the "DR. OZ SHOW," Dr. Oz. So tell me what an obese-ogen is because you were just talking about that.
OZ: Obese-ogen are chemicals that are found in the environment that block the ability of hormones in your body to do what they are suppose to do. Most of the time --
BEHAR: Where do they come from?
OZ: They come from your drinking water, pesticides, they come from plastics, you know those vinal curtains you have in your shower. You know those carbonless filter receipts you get at gas stations they have bisphenol-a. Which is a chemical that can block your hormones. And remember Joy, your hormones are there to keep and they are designed to keep you at peace with the world around you. So if your hormones are functioning normally, they will naturally take you to your playing weight, which is your weight when you`re 18, 20 years of age.
BEHAR: So how do you avoid the obese-ogens?
OZ: They don`t have to be in your life. I`ll give you an example, 9f you microwave food with saran wrap on top of it, or in the Tupper ware container, then you are actually pushing the plastic, the felix (ph), the plastin (ph) materials into the food when you eat the food, it ends up in your blood stream.
BEHAR: OK so most of the people who are watch, they use a microwaveable thing. Let`s say one of those lean cuisiney things right.
OZ: Right.
BEHAR: So it has the cellophane on the top. You`re suppose to punch holes in it, that`s no good? So take it off?
OZ: Yes, I would take it off. I would not microwave within those packages at all.
BEHAR: You take the thing out of the package.
OZ: No I would take it out of the plastic, take the top part off.
BEHAR: The top part.
OZ: The top plastic off.
BEHAR: What about the bottom? That`s OK?
OZ: Yes, they vary from company to company. And by the way, the Tupperware containers themselves. You know where we store last night`s containers.
BEHAR: Right.
OZ: You know if they`re plastic, I would not microwave in those either. Put it on to a plate and microwave on a plate.
BEHAR: A regular ceramic plate is better than plastic.
OZ: That`s right, that`s perfect. You know those nonstick pans that we cook with -
BEHAR: Yes, Teflon.
OZ: Yes those chemicals also leach into the food, especially if they`re broken or cracked or scraped.
BEHAR: OK, that`s interesting.
OZ: So I like the anodized aluminum. You can get ceramic coating inside of there so again, you avoid those chemicals leaching into the food. You should have the carbon filter on the water at home. Very simple thing to do, it costs, you know, 25 to $30 put a carbon filter on your faucet about that way you don`t have the pesticides which without question affect the hormones. You know Joy, there are no female fish any more around reservoirs.
BEHAR: Really?
OZ: Yes. Because the chemicals get into the water and they affect the gender of the fish. Because fish don`t determine the gender when they`re made, they determine the gender depending to what chemicals they are exposed to.
BEHAR: This is around reservoirs because they put chemicals in the water.
OZ: The runoff from fertilizers.
BEHAR: I see so stay away from those type of things and you won`t have these obese-ogens and that will help you to be thin.
OZ: Yes if you`re frustrated because you`re unable to lose weight. The key things that point to, make sure your thyroid hormones functioning normally, make sure you have the right mixture of sex hormones and make sure you are not getting chemicals that block them, which are these obese- ogens.
BEHAR: I see.
OZ: It`s a very, very big area of resource right now.
BEHAR: OK, you`re doing a special for Oprah`s new network, I understand?
OZ: Yes. How did you find that out?
BEHAR: We have spies.
OZ: You are very connected. That`s good.
BEHAR: We have Oprah spies, so how do you feel about her leaving the network like that?
OZ: Oh I`m very proud of Oprah. She spent a long time thinking about what she`s going to do in her life. And you know, you`re a creative person. When you reach the pinnacle of your creativity in a field, and you think, you know what, I can be creative in a better way, in a different way, somewhere else -
BEHAR: Right.
OZ: You make the move, unless you`re scared which most of us are about making a jump like that. I mean, who leaves when they`re number one by a long shot in daytime and decides to go off and make their own network, someone who is really confident in themselves.
BEHAR: Well she also has tons and tons of money.
OZ: Yes but money doesn`t motivate people like Oprah. Oprah`s motivated by being able to built -
BEHAR: No, I`m not saying that -
OZ: Creative juices --
BEHAR: No what I`m saying is that she feels completely secured financially. Beyond secure.
OZ: She was secure five years ago, she was secure ten years ago. The reason she`s doing it now is she realizes there`s an opportunity to make a channel that offers an alternative to what`s currently out there. And you know she has to go prove it.
BEHAR: It`s risky.
OZ: Very risky.
BEHAR: Very risk.
OZ: Very risky.
BEHAR: What happens if it doesn`t work for her? And what will she do, do you think?
OZ: It`s hard to guess.
BEHAR: She`ll come up with something else.
OZ: But failure`s not an option. I mean there`s going to be, a way to make it work. It`s too good of an idea. Too many talented people out there to help. It is going to be challenging.
BEHAR: Yes.
OZ: It`s not easy to put this many hours of programs -
BEHAR: Yes, very difficult.
OZ: It takes a long time to get the best people there, but she`s pulling together some pretty top notch folks.
BEHAR: But I agree with you. I think reinventing, you have to do that after all or you get stale and you get bored and it doesn`t work anymore. You know a new poll says 50 percent of women would give up sex than gain ten pounds. Are you surprised to hear that?
OZ: No.
BEHAR: That is how much women hate to be fat.
OZ: They`re not proud of themselves when they`re heavy.
BEHAR: It`s just ten pounds, though.
OZ: It`s nothing. That`s how women feel about it. It is also measured in monetary terms. Women are much more willing to take a little extra cash than have sex because it makes them feel prouder of themselves. But sex is important. Being intimate with people you love is what connection is all about.
BEHAR: And if you do it right and if you do it enough, you lose weight.
OZ: Yes. That`s what I think. You know actually, I tell you, there are four centers - four places in the brain where you have absolute cravings. You crave food, you crave water, you sleep and you crave sex. If you don`t have enough of one, you can take more of the other. People who don`t have sex will crave more of the sleep, if they don`t get more of the sleep, they`ll crave more of the food. Over and over again.
BEAHR: Oh that`s interesting. Those four things equal.
OZ: They travel together. You must satisfy all of them. That`s why we ask people take a drink of water before they eat, because you can`t tell the difference between thirst and hunger. They feel the same to you. And people who are not sleeping well will crave carbohydrates because it satiates them.
BEHAR: It is interesting, I never like to have a glass of wine after I`m done eating. I only like it before. Why is that? Because I`m hungry?
OZ: You like the wine before the meal.
BEHAR: Yes. Or with the meal. Not after. Like if I get through a meal with the dessert, I never want to have a glass of wine. Why?
OZ: I don`t know. I actually like the wine afterwards -
BEHAR: You do.
OZ: Because it replaces the dessert. Listen, no one likes to have a tiramisu with a good chianti. Right, you want to have the wine at the end. So where does sex fit into that? Before or after the meal?
BEHAR: It depends how much I`ve eaten.
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BEHAR: Because if you are feeling bloated, the last thing you want is someone on top of you. OK, sit tight, we`ll be back with Dr. Oz in a minute. Am I right?
OZ: Yes you are. Touche.
NANCY GRACE, HLN ANCHOR: Hello, hello. Stay with us friends, we are speaking justice.
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BEHAR: We`re back with Dr. Oz. And I was asking you during the break about how to get yourself to drink more water.
OZ: You know a lot of folks have this misguided belief you have to drink eight glasses of water.
BEHAR: Yes.
OZ: And we`re talking about whether that`s important or not. I actually don`t think you have to drink eight glasses of water. That data was based on world war ii studies on G.I.s.
BEHAR: Oh.
OZ: And they were trying to figure out how much water do people consume. And if you know all that research was done well, but the fact is, half of the food content is water. If you get a lot of water from food.
BEHAR: So how many glasses, bottom line?
OZ: If your urine is clear, if you can read through your urine. You got to do that to check it, read through the urine, you drink enough water.
BEHAR: The amount of time spent looking at my bottom is unbelievable with you. What do you think of this new study that says the perfect salary for happiness is $75,000?
OZ: I believe it. You know at $75,000 once you`ve paid your taxes, you don`t have to worry a lot about specific things like food. You know a simple vacation. Making sure the kids have what they need to live life. You always want to have more than that if you can. That`s human nature. But $75,000, you don`t have a lot of pressing financial concerns. You can be happy.
BEHAR: Well in New York City, that`s not really enough.
OZ: No but that was data from across the nation.
BEHAR: Some parts. Seventy five thousand and after that, they say, your happiness level does not really go up?
OZ: Because you`re looking for the next challenge, and if you`re not happy with what`s going on inside of you at $75,000, you won`t be with $75 million either. We see that all the time.
BEHAR: Yes, that`s true.
OZ: You see people do wonderfully well. And the next year I`ll retire when I make the next million. Or the next 100,000 or next 10,000. And that day doesn`t come. If you`re not happy about the moment today, you`re not going to be happy. That stated if you don`t have enough money to put the kids you know, through school, if you can`t get food on the table --
BEHAR: Then that`s a problem.
OZ: Yes, that`s a separate level -- issue.
BEHAR: People need the basics. Feed your family, educate your children, have a house to live in that`s nice.
OZ: Yes be proud that you own a piece of the rock because you`re working for it. We had this free clinic last year, we took care of 2,000 people in Houston, Texas, which had the highest risk of being uninsured in the country. And what I learned at that event was that 90 percent of these people, roughly, had jobs. They were able to work. They weren`t making $75,000 though. And so now they felt like they didn`t belong. They were shamed into having to get free health care. So these are things you want to take off the plate. Once you`ve gotten that basic level of humanity or pride in your life, then you`re good to go.
BEHAR: OK we don`t have too much time left. So let me ask you something, this person I think is funny. What do you say to people who drink, smoke and live into their 90s? The French, for example, they smoke, they drink everything, they eat fatty foods, they eat cheese, they eat duck liver.
OZ: They`re lucky. And that`s OK. Listen, your genes load the gun. The environment pulls the trigger.
BEHAR: Uh huh.
OZ: And so if you`re smoking, you`re pulling the trigger. You may have gotten a blank.
BEHAR: Russian roulette.
OZ: Russian roulette. And you know what a lot of folks live to 90 and most of the people who did those things they`re not living 90, and they don`t look so great when they are 90, usually.
BEHAR: Well, they don`t, that`s true. I mean some of those French actresses, they could use a face-lift. How much time should I spend looking for my g-spot? These are questions for viewers.
OZ: We spend too much time looking for the g-spot. It exists. The male prostate moved to the front of the vagina and became the g-spot.
BEHAR: Stop it.
OZ: Yes.
BEHAR: Who told you that?
OZ: No, it is true. Those female orgasms, you know, when there`s squirting, that`s seminal fluid. That fluid has prostate antigen in it.
BEHAR: Oh wow.
OZ: Men like that part of their body stimulated too, by the way. You knew that, right? So you know, those are very sensitive places of your body. We spend too much time looking for it. Women have clitoral -
BEHAR: Orgasms.
OZ: Orgasms, yes, they have vaginal orgasms, or they can have blended orgasms.
BEHAR: Right.
OZ: So you don`t have to spend all your time looking for it. Enjoy life. That`s one of the biggest mistakes women make in their 20s, 30s, 40s, and 50s. Too much time.
BEHAR: Oh my god, I was about to form a search party during my 50s. Thanks so much for joining me Dr. Oz. It is always a pleasure to see you. I`m in love with you. Check your local listings to see when THE DR. OZ show airs in your neighborhood. Good night everybody.
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