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Demi-Ashton Trouble?; One Man, Four Wives; Joaquin`s Hoax
Aired September 23, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HLN HOST: Rocker Vince Neil called Sharon Osbourne "evil" and said, quote, "She is the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) woman I ever met," unquote. Ozzy immediately came to Sharon`s defense saying (INAUDIBLE).
ANNOUNCER: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW: Ashton Kutcher and his wife Demi Moore plagued with tabloid rumors about infidelity maintain a united front but are all high-profile May/December relationships eventually doomed to fold under the pressure? Linda Hogan will weigh in on her relationship with a man 30 years younger.
Then a new reality series follows a man and his four wives. Joy will talk to the polygamist family about their peculiar arrangement.
Plus, more than a year after his crazy bearded guest spot on "The Late Show" Joaquin Phoenix returns to Letterman`s couch with his tail between his legs.
That and more starting right now.
BEHAR: Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore are celebrating their fifth wedding anniversary tomorrow and seem completely unfazed by the rumors that Ashton cheated with a woman young enough to be his wife`s daughter.
Joining me to talk about relationships in the spotlight are: Linda Hogan, Hulk`s ex-wife, who like Demi is also with a younger man and Michelle Tan, staff writer for "People" Magazine.
Let me start with you Michelle. Earlier this week Demi put a picture of her and Ashton on Twitpick and this is what it said. "Just hanging in my trailer in between shots on the reasonable bunch with hubby." Are they on a mission to prove that they are not bothered by any of this?
MICHELLE TAN, "PEOPLE" MAGAZINE: Well, you know, despite all of the Internet rumors about trouble in their marriage they are trying to lead their lives just as normal as they can. They always post photos on their Twitter account and they`re just trying to lead their life as normal as possible.
BEHAR: Do you think that this would cause any kind of a stir if there wasn`t this big age difference? Really, I mean people are interested because of what, is that a 15-year difference?
TAN: There is a 15-year difference between the two of them. In fact, when they first got married a lot of people thought it was Ashton Kutcher`s punk prank. They thought it wasn`t for real. But you know, five years later they`ve proven that they really do love each other and are invested in the marriage.
BEHAR: But is that the truth or not? I mean, there is other stuff about this also. Other news outlets -- I will not say who they are -- have published alleged texts to Britney Jones one of the -- the woman that`s been texting him. And another one has published naked photos of her. What do we know about her?
TAN: Britney Jones is a 21-year-old woman who came forth and said allegedly that she had sex with Ashton Kutcher in July after they met in a Hollywood bowling alley. When we approached Ashton and his representation about it actually his lawyer said this is just another one of those moments where tabloids are just engaging in reckless behavior.
BEHAR: You can`t really dispute that. They have stuff coming out about David Beckham that he was seeing hookers in some other tabloid and Brad and Angelina are always in the tabloids. They`re on again, they`re off again. Jennifer Aniston wants to shoot them.
It`s always something. Can we believe any of it?
TAN: You know, there`s always going to be rumors. There`s always going to be talk but I think what happens is when you talk to them what`s great about Demi and Ashton is that they`re a public pair, who actually engage with their fans. They`re on Twitter. They actually just had a joint appearance today at the Clinton Global Initiative. You have to kind of go by what their speaking and their actions versus what other people are doing and saying.
BEHAR: Well, why should we believe this girl, this Britney Jones?
TAN: Right now it is not very clear whether or not anything has happened. And you know what, also Demi and Ashton have actually told loved ones they`re really angry about this.
They`re angry about the rumors and the negative spotlight and they`ve actually engaged in kind a "don`t ask don`t tell" policy. They don`t want to talk about it. They don`t want to bring more spotlight to this.
BEHAR: Is he going to take legal action?
TAN: Well, our representation, his representation actually is his lawyer talking so we`re not sure what his next steps are. But the last time that another rumor came out he actually said it was a defamation of character so he might be considering it.
BEHAR: Ok. Thanks very much Michelle.
TAN: Thank you.
BEHAR: Now I want to talk to Linda Hogan. Hi Linda.
LINDA HOGAN, FORMER WIFE OF HULK HOGAN: Hi. How are you doing?
BEHAR: I`m good. Would you be surprised if this Ashton rumor turned out to be true?
HOGAN: Not really.
BEHAR: Why not?
HOGAN: My opinion is, well, that they`re innocent until proven guilty. I`ve dealt with a lot of rumors, dealt with a lot of fact situations in my marriage that I had to deal with. But you really can`t bowl them over. You`re married to this guy. You have to believe what he says.
You know, but the tabloids and everybody, it`ll all be flushed out. The truth ends up coming out.
BEHAR: They seem to be --
HOGAN: You got to stand by your man.
BEHAR: Yes. They seem to be doing that right now. Is that the best way to handle it; you think just sort of take the high road and ignore all of it?
HOGAN: I think they need to and I`m sure that they`re probably already talking amongst each other about damage control if something is true or something does break.
If it`s something they want to try to keep together I`m sure it`s hugely embarrassing for Demi as for him if it is not true.
It`s entirely possible though. They`re in the limelight. They are very big celebrities. You know, this is a cheap shot if this is from this girl that`s doing this to him. So she`s got to stand by her man at this point. Eventually the rumors will turn into fact and if it is something that`s happening, she`s going to find out about it and we`ll all know too.
BEHAR: I wonder, did this happen to you when you were married to the Hulk? Girls coming out of the woodwork claiming that they slept with your husband?
HOGAN: It did. I was really challenged with a tough situation. There was a girl in Germany that was sending me postcards to my restaurant -- I had a restaurant -- and she was saying that she didn`t like me. She wanted to burn my house. She wanted to cut my face. She said that she was 9 months pregnant with my husband`s child.
These were horrible things as you`re trying to, you know, raise your children and raise your family. I was trying to come off the skids of past accusations of another affair that he had. And you want so badly to believe your husband and hope that this is just a bad dream. But, you know, as time goes on, facts are revealed and things come true.
You`re in the public eye. What can do you? You just have to sit there and ride it out in the public and it is very difficult.
BEHAR: That is the tough part also I think. But Demi is 15 years older than Ashton. Now you`re older than your boyfriend. How much older are you again?
HOGAN: Yes.
BEHAR: How much older are you than your boyfriend?
HOGAN: I think I`m like 28 years older. There`s Charlie.
BEHAR: There he is. Now, that`s a big age gap there.
HOGAN: Yes. There he is.
BEHAR: Do you think there is more or less cheating in relationships with a big age difference? What do you think?
HOGAN: You know, not necessarily. I think it`s just an individual type thing. I think that temptation is something that`s just kind of very prevalent in show business. Girls are throwing themselves out at guys like Ashton and like Hulk Hogan and Tiger. It`s very simple for them.
But you know you really need to have -- you`ve got to have faith and commitment. You`ve got to have something that keeps you together and if you don`t have those, believe me, there was plenty of times that I could have cheated, too. I stayed faithful for 24 years to my husband. I just, that`s not something that I would do -- you have to have some kind of a character about you that is able to keep to your commitment. You know, it`s very tempting.
BEHAR: Well, he`s quoted, Ashton is quoted as saying he is happy with his marriage but he wants more out of life. Do you blame him? He was a kid. He was only 21 years old when he got married. So in a way it`s like maybe that`s the issue. You know? He`s too young to just be married to the same woman all those years.
HOGAN: Really, Demi -- well, clearly, Demi is a very big star, much larger than he is, and although he`s gaining his chops in Hollywood, she`s an icon and America`s sweetheart. People love her. And it`s a no-win situation for him if he has done this.
You know, but the thing is that they`re both in show business and he`s trying to get ahead and she`s already got her production company and things. You know, Charlie, in my situation, is not. He`s kind of just happy being in the back of the situation like I was to Hulk Hogan. I did not want the limelight. And there was no competition there. So that made it a little bit easier.
In their situation they`re both out in the limelight.
BEHAR: That`s interesting. So Charlie doesn`t like the limelight? And you didn`t like the limelight.
HOGAN: No.
BEHAR: And you were married to the Hulk. Is that what you`re saying?
HOGAN: Well, yes. Exactly. I mean, it wasn`t something that I was fishing for. I was not an actress. I didn`t try to do commercials or little parts and stuff. It just came with the territory. Being in the limelight around Hulk Hogan presented situations that I had to assist him or just be part of the family.
And then of course with our show "Hogan Knows Best" I popped into that because I thought that it was benefiting his career or my children`s career. But I, personally, never wanted a career in TV.
And so I think there`s a little bit of a competition and I think that he is trying to gain some, you know, notoriety and things. And as he gets older he is going to become not as satisfied with just being, you know, with his one TV show. He is going to try to grow and learn. And I`m sure that she is probably helping him.
BEHAR: Right. You know, it`s been reported, I know that it`s hard to be in the public eye I think when your personal life gets sort of dragged around. It was reported that you and Charlie were getting engaged. Is it true?
HOGAN: I know. This was in the tabloids. I think it was "The Globe". No it`s not official. We have talked about it and it`s something that I very much would like to do. But it`s not official and we are not -- there`s no date set or anything like that.
It`s a -- we have a -- we just have a great relationship. We`re really good friends and I think that that`s what it takes you`ve got to be friends. I`m very young at heart. It`s not something that I`m trying to wear him like little badge that, yes, I`m great. I`m young, I have a young boyfriend. It`s just a very organic way that -- we happened and, you know, we just like the simple things.
BEHAR: Right.
HOGAN: So you know.
BEHAR: Keep it like that. Enjoy yourself, Linda. It sounds like it`s working --
HOGAN: Thank you Joy.
BEHAR: -- just the way you want it. Thanks very much for joining me, Linda.
HOGAN: Thank you so much.
BEHAR: Ok.
A man and his four wives -- yes four -- are the focus of a new reality show. The whole gang will join me next. Do not miss it.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up a little later on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, Joaquin Phoenix returns to "The Late Show with Letterman" for a rematch with Dave.
And Ty Pennington drops by to talk about the new season of "Extreme Makeover Home Edition".
Now back to Joy.
BEHAR: He is one man with four wives and 16 kids. Take a look.
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KODY BROWN, POLYGAMIST HUSBAND: I like marriage. And I`m a repeat offender. Twenty 20 years ago I married Meri and then 17 years ago I married Janelle and then 16 years ago I married Christine. I just fell in love and then I fell in love again and then I fell in love again.
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BEHAR: How one man can juggle all that is beyond me but what do I know? Here now to talk about their polygamist family and their new TLC series "Sister Wives" are Kody Brown, the man who has four wives; Meri, his first wife; Janelle his second wife; Christine wife number three; and Robyn, wife number four who just recently married Kody.
Welcome to the show, you guys. I must tell you that I love the show. It`s riveting.
MERI BROWN, POLYGAMIST, FIRST WIFE: Thank you.
JANELLE BROWN, POLYGAMIST, SECOND WIFE: Great.
BEHAR: Yes, it`s the real deal. Now "Big Love" is fictionalized and it`s not as -- this is fabulous. I love it.
M. BROWN: Thank you, Joy.
BEHAR: Let me start with you, Kody, since you`re sitting here next to me. Polygamy is illegal so the first question is, how come you can do this? Ok. How about you -- good answer. I -- I -- is he this quiet around all of you?
M. BROWN: Yes, it`s amazing. Amazing.
K. BROWN: Well, we`ve determined that it`s more less at this point a lifestyle choice.
BEHAR: It`s a lifestyle.
K. BROWN: Yes and so it`s really tough to prosecute love on that issue I think.
BEHAR: So do you -- so you`re not legally -- all legally married.
K. BROWN: Yes.
BEHAR: You`re only legally married to Meri --
K. BROWN: Correct.
BEHAR: -- your first wife right?
K. BROWN: That`s right.
BEHAR: So the rest of you got married in a ceremony, a church type of ceremony?
K. BROWN: Just a religious ceremony.
J. BROWN: Yes.
BEHAR: And that`s ok with everybody.
J. BROWN: Everybody meaning us?
M. BROWN: Everybody who?
BEHAR: Well, let`s start with you.
M. BROWN: Yes.
BEHAR: You`re ok with all of that. Because, I mean, legally in a certain way it`s -- when you die will she be the one who gets all your money?
K. BROWN: Well, if she is fair she`ll divvy it out well.
BEHAR: Oh, if she is fair. Oh yes, that`s not worth the paper it`s written on, Kody.
J. BROWN: We`re not worried.
BEHAR: Ok you`re not all worried.
J. BROWN: No.
BEHAR: Ok.
J. BROWN: Honestly, we have worked together well.
BEHAR: Meri, are you worried about the exposure this show will bring to the family at all?
M. BROWN: There definitely has been a concern when we decided to -- to go ahead and do the show. You know, it was just coming out like this and just exposing us to everybody. Just -- it did kind of make us all a little bit nervous.
But we felt --
BEHAR: You`re kind of natural on television I have to tell you. Everybody seems very comfortable --
M. BROWN: Thank you --
BEHAR: Yes.
M. BROWN: -- but our hearts beat wildly inside.
BEHAR: Yes, I mean, 16 children all together. What a guy. I mean, you must be exhausted. Are you?
K. BROWN: I just have a lot of energy I guess.
BEHAR: You have a lot of energy. How do you find the time to be with all of these women?
K. BROWN: Well, you just, I quit watching TV as much.
BEHAR: Oh, I see.
K. BROWN: And I fit you in last week.
BEHAR: Did you fit me in last week? Can I be the fifth wife? How do you support everybody?
K. BROWN: Well, I actually don`t. We all --
BEHAR: Everybody works?
K. BROWN: Pretty much.
J. BROWN: Three -- three of us work right now. I`m looking for a job and she gets to stay home.
BEHAR: You get to stay home.
CHRISTINE BROWN, POLYGAMIST, THIRD WIFE: Yes.
BEHAR: You like staying home.
C. BROWN: I love staying home.
BEHAR: And you don`t like staying home. I remember --
M. BROWN: No. She doesn`t like staying home.
BEHAR: One of you likes to work. It`s you. Ok.
C. BROWN: Yes, I do.
M. BROWN: And that`s the benefit of -- of this is that she can go off and work.
BEHAR: But then don`t you get stuck with all the housework, Christine?
C. BROWN: No I don`t do it all. I mean, I have a real awesome system and I expect the kids to do their share.
BEHAR: I see.
J. BROWN: Sixteen kids.
C. BROWN: Yes, I have a real set schedule and the kids help out amazingly.
BEHAR: You all live in one big house, right?
C. BROWN: Two houses.
BEHAR: Oh, two houses.
C. BROWN: Yes.
BEHAR: I have to talk about your sex lives for a second.
K. BROWN: We can`t.
BEHAR: Yes, I can. And I will.
J. BROWN: Just don`t go too far.
J. BROWN: Who wants to talk about it?
BEHAR: I mean, do you -- I don`t understand how you do it, Kody. Tell me. I mean, every night is another -- another woman or every other night? It`s exhausting, is it not?
K. BROWN: It`s not exhausting because that`s not what marriage is all about.
BEHAR: Oh, I know that. You`re not telling me something I don`t know.
K. BROWN: Oh ok, well then you know the whole story?
BEHAR: Yes, so -- but now you have a new -- a new wife coming in, Robyn --
K. BROWN: Yes.
BEHAR: And has that upset the cart at all, the fact that, you know, you guys have been together, the four of you for a while and now comes this new upstart, you know, does that upset the cart at all sexually let`s say? Meri?
M. BROWN: We`re not talking about that issue.
BEHAR: Oh, we`re not. Ok.
J. BROWN: It`s really a private --
C. BROWN: That`s very private.
BEHAR: Oh you`re really serious.
M. BROWN: Yes.
K. BROWN: I just know the feeling that a gentleman doesn`t tell.
BEHAR: Oh I see.
ROBYN BROWN, POLYGAMIST, FOURTH WIFE: And neither do ladies on it.
BEHAR: Ok.
M. BROWN: We can talk about our family though.
K. BROWN: On a social level with the family, yes. Robyn coming into the family has been kind of a fruit basket upset. Everything is adjusting. You know, we`re having to adjust new schedule. I`m actually following more of a -- of an established schedule now so things have just, you know --
BEHAR: Well, I mean, I thought I was very impressed with the way all of the women got along separate from you in a way. You know, he is in a picture but you guys seem to like being with each other. Is that true?
J. BROWN: It is true.
M. BROWN: It`s a big part of the relationship is for the four of us women to get along.
If it were just for the camera it just wouldn`t last and it wouldn`t be real either.
We genuinely really like each other.
BEHAR: Robyn, did you have any hesitation of being the last wife? Let`s talk about it more in a minute. I have to take a break.
We`ll be right back.
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J. BROWN: It takes a lot of work to get used to each other because you get out of a relationship what you put in and that is a hard lesson to learn. Maybe ours is a little multiplied because I have to work at a relationship with Christine and I work at a relationship with Meri. And I work at a relationship with Kody. It gives me a great sense of security to see him taking care of the needs of my sister wives.
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BEHAR: Well, that was a clip from the new TLC reality show, "Sister Wives". I`m back with the stars of that show.
Robyn, I was asking you before did you have any hesitation coming in to a family with a guy who already has three wives?
ROBYN SULLIVAN, POLYGAMIST, FOURTH WIFE: I knew that I was going to be coming into a family with a man that had a wife already. I knew that. I knew that was a part of my belief system. And so I was already -- my brain was already adjusted there. I actually wanted it. I had other options and I chose to go.
BEHAR: You chose that.
R. SULLIVAN: Yes.
BEHAR: Don`t you guys ever get jealous of each other? What if he spends more time with Meri or with Robyn? What happens between the four of you?
C. BROWN: If he`s spending more time with one wife at one time he always balances it out. He is very fair. Jealousy? Sure. There is jealousy --
BEHAR: There is.
C. BROWN: Of course. You know, it stems from insecurity. It stems from selfishness and so it is just overcoming those things and becoming a better person.
BEHAR: Do you have to compliment them all every day?
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K. BROWN: Yes. If I don`t --
BROWN: If not we remind him.
K. BROWN: They do. They communicate. They tell me what they need and we work it out.
BEHAR: They do. And, you know, what about the kids? Let`s talk about the kids. You have a lot of kids all of you. Who gets the brunt of taking care of all the kids?
C. BROWN: I probably take care of the kids --
BEHAR: Christine.
C. Brown: Right now Robyn is home.
SULLIVAN: Yes. I mean like their -- we definitely -- I want to have my own children and Meri has her child. We all have our own children but as far as the day-to-day running them to this appointment, that appointment, that kind of care falls to Christine.
C. BROWN: I love it.
BEHAR: You love it.
C. BROWN: Yes.
SULLIVAN: But when I`m home I`m very -- I`m able to engage with my children and so it`s --
BEHAR: Would you like the kids to live a polygamist lifestyle like you guys are doing?
K. BROWN: We want them to just choose what`s going to make them happy.
BEHAR: How will they know? This is what they`re exposed to.
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J. BROWN: They have monogamous friends and family.
C. BROWN: We have family that are monogamous.
BEHAR: I know but they`re growing up with you guys as role models.
K. BROWN: Some of them are already choosing. Some of them have already expressed a desire to be just monogamous.
BEHAR: They want it?
J. BROWN: Some don`t some do. You`ll see it. I mean some of the kids talk about it on "Sister Wives".
BEHAR: How many wives do you want?
K. BROWN: None.
BEHAR: Freudian slip.
K. BROWN: No more. Here`s the thing. I`m sorry. But here is the thing. You don`t go out saying, hey, I want seven or ten or, you know, you can`t do that. This is -- you know, Christine was the newest wife for 16 years. We really weren`t looking. And when we met Robyn it was just a perfect match, a perfect situation, and she fit into the family.
BEHAR: So it was just serendipitous that you happen to meet Robyn? You weren`t looking?
K. BROWN: Exactly.
BEHAR: You were satisfied with your life and these women?
K. BROWN: Very happy with our lives.
BEHAR: Ok. Is there any kind of hierarchy amongst you? I mean you`re number one, Meri, so do you rule the roost?
MERI BROWN, POLYGAMIST, FIRST WIFE: No I don`t. It`s actually a team effort, all five of us. It`s just a team effort. We all have input that we give and, you know, just kind of take it all in.
J. BROWN: If you really want something or Christine really wants something or Robyn wants something we push for that for each other.
BEHAR: You push. You seem very cohesive.
Thanks very much, everybody. I hope you enjoyed this.
J. BROWN: Thank you.
K. BROWN: Thank you.
BEHAR: "Sister Wives" premieres Sunday at 10:00 p.m. on TLC.
Up next, Joaquin Phoenix makes his long-awaited return to the Letterman show.
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ANNOUNCER: Coming up a little later on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW "SESAME STREET" pulls Katy Perry`s duet with Elmo after parents complain that Perry was showing too much cleavage and Ty Pennington stops by to talk about the new season "EXTREME MAKEOVER: HOME EDITION". Now back to Joy.
JOY BEHAR, HLN HOST: A clean shaven Joaquin Phoenix returned to "LATE NIGHT" with David Letterman last night to apologize for his infamous appearance last year. Turns out his bizarre behavior was all a hoax for a faux documentary he was making. Take a look.
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JOAQUIN PHOENIX, ACTOR: You`ve interviewed many, many people and I assume that you would kind of know the difference between a character and a real person. So -- but I apologize. I didn`t, I hope I didn`t offend you in any way.
DAVID LETTERMAN, HOST: Oh, no, no, no. I was not offended.
PHOENIX: OK.
LETTERMAN: I`m telling you, it was so much fun. It really was.
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BEHAR: With me now to talk about this and more are Samantha Bee correspondent for "THE DAILY SHOW" and Vince Neil Motley Crue frontman and author of "Tattoos And Tequila." And Jessica Shaw, Senior writer for "Entertainment Weekly." Welcome to the show guys.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thanks.
BEHAR: Samantha, how do you feel about being punked like that?
SAMANTHA BEE, CORRESPONDENT, "THE DAILY SHOW": You know if you watch the rest of the interview with "Letterman," Joaquin Phoenix got served at the end of it. So I think David Letterman - you know I think he was more annoyed than you might --
BEHAR: Let`s see.
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LETTERMAN: We went to the lawyers and the lawyers said, yes, you can if you want probably sue these people and then your attorney said, no. It`s fair because it`s a documentary. Well, guess what? It`s no documentary. It was a theatrical ruse, right? Well, now you owe me a million bucks.
PHOENIX: A million bucks.
LETTERMAN: A million dollars.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: OK. So Dave had the last laugh.
JESSICA SHAW, SENIOR WRITER, ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: He did have the last laugh. At the end, well you know, we can talk about it -- Joaquin said we can talk about this in private and Dave said, yes, we can go to one of your screenings because no one has seen this movie.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: No one ever will.
SHAW: I mean of course they only came out and said it was a hoax after the first weekend when no one saw it. It was just - to cover the set.
BEHAR: I wonder if he really is crazy. I mean he kept this going for quite a while.
VINCE NEIL, MOTLEY CRUE FRONTMAN: But I mean it had to be a hoax because nobody that was that bad could think he was that good. You know? I was watching it going, are you kidding me? Really? No, this has to be some kind of something or just crazy.
BEHAR: He might be just crazy. But do you think his career will suffer for this at all? Anybody?
SHAW: His rap career will.
BEHAR: People don`t like to be duped, the audience. Do you think it will hurt him?
BEE: I don`t think so. I mean, it`s not like he`s -- is he really -- I mean, listen, I love Joaquin Phoenix. I think he is very talented but is he a household name? Are people up in arms about this?
BEHAR: Joaquin.
SHAW: He`s been Oscar nominated and is a great actor. I think if the right role comes along people will like to jump back on the he is amazing band wagon.
BEE: I`ll ask my step mom. Joaquin Phoenix really disappointed me, she was like --
BEHAR: Is it wrong of me to mix him up with that other one who looks exactly like him, Jake Gyllenhaal? He reminds me of him.
SHAW: I`m sure Jake would love to hear that comparison.
BEHAR: OK. Let`s do another story. Vince, you write in your new book "Tattoos And Tequila" that Sharon Osbourne is evil and, quote, "the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) woman I`ve ever met in my life." Is she jealous of your watch or something? Get a shot of that watch.
BEE: Look at this thing does it tell time?
NEIL: It barely tells time. It looks good.
BEHAR: You out-bling them all.
NEIL: No, I mean look, Sharon, you have to remember like the first dealing with her was in 1984 on the Ozzy tour, you know, I think I was 22 years old and she was not nice to Motley Crue. We ended up calling it the no fun tour. We had t-shirts with smiley faces with bullet holes put in it and distributed them out to our road crew and Ozzy`s road crew and, you know, she wouldn`t let us have any fun. No girls, no booze, no nothing. And it was like so then what is the point?
BEHAR: Well you could say she`s like a social worker on the road with you.
NEIL: Well, you know. We`re young.
BEE: She had a special needs husband. Her husband -
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NEIL: You know, then she went on to blame it on an accident that I had in `84 but she forgot to figure out that that accident was six months after the tour, so the tour that she is blaming it on that she was trying to shield me from Ozzy hadn`t even happened yet.
BEHAR: So she was really just a pain in the butt on the road.
NEIL: Yes.
BEHAR: Wasn`t she along with the road with you guys? Do you usually take wives on the road?
NEIL: Well Ozzy did.
BEHAR: He did.
NEIL: But you know -
SHAW: She is his manager also.
NEIL: Yes, exactly, yes.
BEHAR: Oh I see.
NEIL: The thing is, I`m sorry, the thing with Ozzy, like, there are multiple stories about us and Ozzy and antics we had. Obviously the days she was not there.
BEHAR: I see so you didn`t miss her at all.
NEIL: We didn`t miss her at all.
BEHAR: Well let me just read you a statement she made about you. She says Vince of course I tried to keep my husband away from you at all costs as I truly felt you were a danger to Ozzy, yourself, and everyone around you. Today I see you, the key phrase here, Vince. Brace yourself.
NEIL: OK.
BEHAR: Today I see you as a pathetic 50-year-old party boy who continues to put innocent people`s lives at risk.
NEIL: Wow.
BEHAR: She doesn`t like you.
NEIL: I guess she really needs publicity.
SHAW: Maybe you should send her the watch.
BEHAR: She doesn`t like you. She is mad at you.
NEIL: Yes she is mad but she has no reason to be mad because this was my point of view 26 years ago. And but now --
SHAW: Somebody is going to get their weave torn out. There is going to be a big fight. Somebody`s weave is coming off.
BEHAR: OK. Now, "SESAME STREET" decided against airing a music video featuring Katy Perry the show planned for the 41st season citing complaints it was too suggestive. Let`s look at it.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re up and you`re down, the party is going around. You stop and you`re slow. You`re hot and you`re cold. You`re yes and you`re no. You`re in and you`re out. You`re starting to doubt.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: OK. First of all Elmo is getting turned on is all I got to say. He`s all excited running around. It looks like some people take an issue with the low cut dress. Was there anything offensive in that do you think? Are people completely over reacting to this?
SHAW: Oh my god, it`s ridiculous. Any kid who watches "SESAME STREET" is going to look at that and think milk. You know no one is thinking sex or whatever. If they`re even looking at her boobs that`s what they`re thinking.
BEE: If you look at that video from start to finish and you find it suggestive in any way, then you need to get laid worse than any person on planet earth. Like you --
BEHAR: Are you talking about toddlers now?
BEE: No, obviously it`s the parents. You need to feel the touch of a lover`s hand. Because you can`t even, it`s like a skating outfit. It`s nothing. It`s absolutely totally innocuous.
NEIL: I liked it.
BEHAR: Sure. That`s why Sharon Osbourne has issues with you.
NEIL: That`s right.
SHAW: Terrible. We were the people -- where were the people on the set? What about all the producers and camera people and whatever. And also, Elmo is not wearing pants.
BEHAR: Hello what about Bert and Ernie, those two? They`ve been together many years. Don`t ask don`t tell. You know, Katy Perry, Vince, is known for her sexually provocative persona and videos. What do you think "SESAME STREET" expected?
NEIL: Yes. I mean I was thinking if you`re going to have her or somebody like that you`re going to get what you wish for. And I think she`s great. She looks great. I don`t see the big uproar. I really don`t.
BEHAR: Look at this.
NEIL: She looks great. Now, that wasn`t on "SESAME STREET." that I`d have a problem with.
BEHAR: That looked like milk shooting out of her boobs. Oh my god.
(LAUGHTER)
SHAW: That`s how she got the part.
BEHAR: Now, "SESAME STREET" did release a statement which I will read. It`s part of the statement. "In light of the feedback we have received on the Katy Perry music video which was released on Youtube only we have decided we will not air the segment on the television broadcast of "SESAME STREET" which is aimed at preschoolers." So they got scared and panicked.
BEE: They responded to the parents. I understand why they did but I mean, really. I have preschoolers and I think that my preschoolers would find that completely -- they wouldn`t -- you should see what I wear around the house. It`s much worse.
SHAW: It happens to be a very cute song also. Unfortunately it`s very cute and any kid would like it and they wouldn`t think anything of it and it`s kind of pathetic that they pandered to some parents who got offended by this. I think it is a bad precedent -
BEHAR: You`re up and you`re down, you`re running around, you`re fast then you`re slow. You stop then you go. Sounds like sex to me. You`re hot and you`re cold. You`re yes and you`re no. Certainly sounds like mine. You`re in. You`re out. I`m starting to doubt. Hello.
SHAW: You should see Russell Brown`s "SESAME STREET" video.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: She is married to him. But OK. One more story to go over. The social network, this movie just opened or is about to open in theaters and Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg will donate $100 million in stock to help Newark public schools. Good timing isn`t it since the movie just came out? What do you think about that?
SHAW: You know far be it from me to say don`t donate a hundred million dollars. The timing is a little coincidental. You know, the movie opens next weekend. The fact that he is going on "Oprah" to announce it like Bill Gates gives millions of dollars and tens of millions of dollars to public schools and he doesn`t feel a need to go on a talk show to announce it. I also love that he is giving it in stock and not in actual money.
BEHAR: If the economy collapses even more --
SHAW: He says bye-bye. No more textbooks for you.
BEHAR: I don`t think he cares about money but the portrait they paint in the movie which I saw the other night he looks like a real little (EXPLETIVE DELETED) frankly. It is not flattering. Do you think he is doing this to save face? They make him look nasty.
NEIL: I think it`s good publicity -- expensive for good publicity, a big bill to pay for somebody to say something good about you.
BEHAR: Well he is worth gazillions -
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BEHAR: Motley Crue doesn`t know anything about the money he`s got.
NEIL: Absolutely.
SHAW: He has two of those watches.
BEHAR: I know you have two watches, he`s got gazillions of them. OK thank you everybody for doing this.
BEE: Thank you.
NEIL: Thank you.
BEHAR: And check out Vince Neil`s new book "Tattoos And Tequila" in stores now. Ty Pennington star of "EXTREME MAKEOVER HOME EDITION" is up next.
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BEHAR: To say that Ty Pennington loves his job is an understatement. For the last seven years he has headed up a team that tears down homes in disrepair and completely rebuilds them. Do you get permission? They do it all in one week. I don`t know how. Check it out.
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TY PENNINGTON, HOST, "EXTREME MAKEOVER: HOME EDITION": It was an empty lot before, right?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
PENNINGTON: Tell you what. A lot has changed. You guys know what to say. Say it with me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bus driver, move that bus! Move that bus!
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BEHAR: Here now to talk about the eighth season of "EXTREME MAKEOVER HOME EDITION" is the host of the show the lovely Ty Pennington. How are you, Ty?
PENNINGTON: I`m good.
BEHAR: You know, for eight seasons you`ve been doing it one way. Now you changed it. How did you change it?
PENNINGTON: Well, now we`re only doing it on - sorry I was going to try -- no, we`ve changed it in the sense we`re sort of going bigger in many ways. We`re not only -- we`re not always surprising the family at their house. We`re sort of like, you know, surprising the family at Yankee Stadium, at, you know, the Harbor in Baltimore with the clip you just saw there for that family and then also like a state fair so we`re also going bigger in the sense we`re not just doing single family homes we`re doing some schools, we`ve done a school for the deaf out in Oregon. It`s great because we are affecting more than one family`s life which is kind of nice.
BEHAR: That`s great.
PENNINGTON: Yes it`s huge.
BEHAR: But I mean you`re surprising them at Yankee Stadium you say?
PENNINGTON: Yes.
BEHAR: About what? What do you say to them? There is a house you`re going to love someplace?
PENNINGTON: You know, they really loved New York and we wanted to make sure New York loved them.
BEHAR: I see.
PENNINGTON: Yes.
BEHAR: All right. Whatever.
PENNINGTON: It`s confusing I know.
BEHAR: I have to watch the new season a little more.
PENNINGTON: It would help. It would help.
BEHAR: OK. On this episode this Sunday.
PENNINGTON: Yes, yes. This Sunday.
BEHAR: There is something you rebuild a place called girl`s hope but a storm came and interrupted the whole thing. What happened there?
PENNINGTON: Yes. I mean, building a house in seven days, one would think, first of all, that`s still not easy. You know, especially, we try to do it in four days. However, because of this particular build we were short of -- going with a really cool, modern design, but getting our trusses in was a crucial moment. And so basically, the top of the house was wide open but we had already dry walled but this huge storm came in and deluged, within minutes we had like it felt like 11 inches of water in the floor so everything was destroyed. We`re on top of the roof holding down this tarp but the wind would blow and if you`re on the wrong side you would get blown off. It was those moments that I really enjoy because you have no idea what is going to happen. And yes, fear is, I don`t know, awesome.
BEHAR: It`s a turn on, fear.
PENNINGTON: Yes.
BEHAR: And, you know, the other thing I noticed about you when I`ve seen the show is that you cry a lot.
PENNINGTON: I am.
BEHAR: You are very touched by what you do.
PENNINGTON: There are times you really feel for the family and what they`ve gone through.
BEHAR: It is a very touching show in that way. I think that`s why people like it because you really seem to be doing something good for somebody who needs it.
PENNINGTON: Yes. I don`t enjoy crying. I didn`t grow up in a family where we cried a lot. We laughed through everything. It`s sort of new for me and it is not like a -- you know, you really feel it. You feel the emotion. Honestly when that bus moves and you see people`s lives change you can`t help but feel the emotion. But I`m having my tear ducts removed just so I can cut back on it.
BEHAR: So what kind of family did you grow up in?
PENNINGTON: Wolves mainly, canines. A wonderful family though.
BEHAR: Yes?
PENNINGTON: Yes. Actually no, mom, a child psychologist. Who knew? So I sort of went through every test known to child.
BEHAR: But what was wrong with you?
PENNINGTON: Oh, gosh. We`re still trying to find that out. But the tests are inconclusive. But we know that I seem to enjoy my work. That`s what we know.
BEHAR: Well that`s what counts.
PENNINGTON: Yes.
BEHAR: But do you have trouble with relationships? Because of all of these various ailments?
PENNINGTON: Well, it certainly keeps it spicy, you know, because you really don`t know what`s happening. And I cry a lot so it`s good.
BEHAR: Some women like that when a man cries. I don`t happen to like it.
PENNINGTON: No.
BEHAR: I find it annoying as a matter of fact. But that`s, you know, everybody has their thing.
PENNINGTON: I can see that, yes.
BEHAR: Like Glenn Beck. He`s always crying.
PENNINGTON: Oh, my gosh.
BEHAR: He really gets on my nerves.
PENNINGTON: Oh my gosh, exactly. I was on his show and we both cried together. It was horrible.
BEHAR: Oh geez.
PENNINGTON: Yes.
BEHAR: Do you actually make every single thing we see on TV? You actually do make everything, right?
PENNINGTON: Well, I design and build. That`s really what I`ve been best at most of my life.
BEHAR: How did you learn that?
PENNINGTON: I have no -- I trained myself. One of my first projects was a three story tree house and I did it when I was 9. But of course I was smart enough to barter, you know, comic books that were highly collectible to other children so they went home and got their parents` tools and came back so in many ways it was sort of a Tom Sawyer Huckleberry Finn theme. Let`s get all the kids working as soon as possible. So yes --
BEHAR: You`re kind of like a little Donald Trump.
PENNINGTON: So yes, a little more yes -- Dennis the Menace meets Donald I guess yes.
BEHAR: I see you would have the comic books and switch with them and so they would bring stuff to you.
PENNINGTON: Right.
BEHAR: That`s bartering. Is that from your Indian -- you say you are part Cherokee.
(LAUGHTER)
PENNINGTON: Yes, yes. That was by the tribe at an early age yes.
BEHAR: OK, listen, we`ll have more with Ty Pennington, who is adorable, when we come back.
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BEHAR: I`m back with Ty Pennington. You know, Ty, Kathy Griffin, she says -
PENNINGTON: Yes I hear she does -
BEHAR: No one can build a house in a week unless they`re on crystal meth. What are your thoughts on that? What are your thoughts on that?
PENNINGTON: Wow. Well, Kathy Griffin and I obviously, you know, think the same way. It takes a lot to build a house in seven days. Crystal meth is one way. Caffeine and a megaphone is another. So I can see where she might think that though.
BEHAR: Yes. It`s a lot of work.
PENNINGTON: Yes. There`s a method to the madness of it all but I don`t think meth is really the answer.
BEHAR: No. But it reminds me of, did you see the movie "Witness" with Harrison ford when he goes into Amish country and they all build a house together. It kind of is like that.
PENNINGTON: It kind of is a barn raising but not all of our names are Jebediah. You know some of them are just, you know, Doug.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: These are twitter questions. You know we asked the audience to have questions for you.
PENNINGTON: OK.
BEHAR: Are you single, married, or seeing someone?
PENNINGTON: I would circle all. Yes.
BEHAR: OK. He is single, he is married, and he is seeing someone. OK. You sound like John Edwards.
PENNINGTON: Oh, that`s harsh.
BEHAR: Does he scream -
PENNINGTON: You know I was really hoping big things for John, too. That`s a really tough call. That`s tough.
BEHAR: Well he`s a loser.
PENNINGTON: Yes.
BEHAR: Do you scream and talk that loud in real life or is that just for the show?
PENNINGTON: Actually I do that in my sleep. I`ve been told to sort of bring it down a notch.
BEHAR: Do you yell in your sleep?
PENNINGTON: Yes.
BEHAR: Well what are you yelling? What do you yell?
PENNINGTON: I don`t know. I`m sleeping -
BEHAR: Oh that`s right.
PENNINGTON: But I hear it`s distracting to say the least especially when people are trying to read or do other things.
BEHAR: I see. So who is in bed with you usually?
PENNINGTON: I don`t know that either. But I`ve heard on Twitter.
BEHAR: OK. This person wants to know if they upgrade how, if you guys upgrade the houses, do the taxes go up and how do the families afford the new taxes? That is a good question.
PENNINGTON: Actually it is a good question. Well here`s what we do. In many of the cases when we build a home we also - local banks and businesses come together and actually pay off the mortgage and other cases we also leave them with a house maintenance fund so the only thing they`re really left with is the house taxes.
BEHAR: Taxes.
PENNINGTON: And so that`s pretty much, I mean, it`s pretty amazing what we actually -- all they have to do is pay the taxes which aren`t that much.
BEHAR: Are most of the houses you do in low tax areas?
BEHAR: Yes. I would imagine because there is a tremendous difference in taxes I noticed.
PENNINGTON: Yes, there are.
BEHAR: If you go up to parts of New York State you`ll pay $29,000 a year on taxes. If you go to other places, even in the Hamptons, $5,000 a year. It is very weird.
PENNINGTON: I live in California so it`s really a whole different situation.
BEHAR: What`s it like, are they high or low there?
PENNINGTON: Oh, my god, it`s just unbelievable.
BEHAR: Unbelievably high?
PENNINGTON: But yes. Unbelievably high.
BEHAR: Unbelievably high, OK. Are you sure you`re not talking about --
PENNINGTON: I don`t believe in taxes anyway. Obviously I pay them. But you know --
BEHAR: You don`t believe in taxes?
PENNINGTON: Well I just don`t believe any word that has an "x" in it?
BEHAR: Sex?
PENNINGTON: Yes, see, again.
BEHAR: So you do believe in some words that have "X."
PENNINGTON: I guess you`re right, I do believe in some words that have "x" in them.
BEHAR: OK.
PENNINGTON: I don`t know where this went but I enjoyed it.
BEHAR: It went nowhere but it was fun to talk to you anyway. So thanks for doing my show and good luck with yours.
PENNINGTON: Thank you, thank you.
BEHAR: OK, the eighth season of "EXTREME MAKEOVER HOME EDITION" premieres on ABC this Sunday. Good night everybody.
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