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Weekend Round-up; Flipping for Jeff Lewis; Interview With Dr. Oz
Aired September 24, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, the Hoff is off dancing, Joaquin Phoenix is on Letterman, and Christine O`Donnell is off the airwaves. Joy will dish on the week`s craziest stories.
Plus, the doctor`s in the house. Dr. Oz gives his take on weight loss, sex after 40, and Michael Douglas`s cancer battle. That and more starting right now.
JOY BEHAR, HLN HOST: This week Bristol Palin made her "Dancing with the Stars" debut. Joining her was "The Situation", who was the first "Jersey Shore" cast member to appear before a judge without having to enter a plea.
Here to talk about "Dancing with the Stars" and all the other stories from the week are comedian and one-time "Dancing with the Stars" contestant Jeffrey Ross; Laura Bennett, former "Project Runway" star and author of "Didn`t I Feed You Yesterday: A mother`s guide to sanity in stilettos"; and AOL Popeater`s Rob Shuter.
Ok guys. Rob, let me start with you. Let`s talk about David Hasselhoff getting kicked off.
ROB SHUTER, AOL POPEATER: Yes.
BEHAR: How did he take it?
SHUTER: Not well. Not well at all.
BEHAR: Really? Why?
SHUTER: People were telling me backstage that David had no idea this was coming. He was pretty confident that he would make it to the final two and this completely --
BEHAR: Based on what?
SHUTER: On being David. David thought he had an enormous fan base. He`s been on television for a long time. And there are people on that show that he thinks should not be around while he is not dancing anymore.
BEHAR: So why do you think he got kicked off?
SHUTER: I think the fans didn`t vote. I mean, like David assumes -- what I heard from his people today, was that they assumed other people were voting. In fact, David does have a huge fan base, but they all thought the other person in the fan base would be voting. Hence, nobody did.
BEHAR: I think he might have a huge ego the way you tell it. You recently roasted Hasselhoff.
JEFFREY ROSS, COMEDIAN: I roasted Hasselhoff. He is a good sport. I actually like him better, having roasted him because I realized that there`s a real person underneath that.
That having been said, when you`re on "Dancing with the Stars" -- and I know his partner, Kym Johnson. She built his ego up to think he was going to win. I predicted he would win because he`s such a superstar. But then again, I was eliminated during the first commercial break when I was on.
BEHAR: I know. You had one of the lowest scores ever. It`s like in the Guinness Book of Records. One of the lowest -- why are you looking like Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber? What is this? But --
ROSS: On "Dancing with the Stars" I got a 12 out of 30. Heather Mills`s phony leg flew off, almost killed a guy in the balcony, and she got a 15.
BEHAR: I know. The handicapped do very well on that show. Or if you faint or if you -- you`re bloated and retaining. They let you win.
ROSS: I thought I was going to come in first place. There`s some footage of me right there in my heartbreaking moments. It is tough because you think, you know, you have to go into the competition thinking you`re going to win. And then you get beat by like -- I got beat by Cloris Leachman, who wasn`t even dancing. Her partner just dragged her lifeless body around the dance floor. It`s like "Weekend at Bernie`s" the musical.
BEHAR: Laura, were you surprised that Bristol Palin sort of could dance? And what did you think of her outfit?
LAURA BENNETT, FORMER "PROJECT RUNWAY" CONTESTANT: Well, I think, you know, there were low expectations. So she could have gone out there and done anything and pretty much surprised me. The choice of music, "Mama Told Me Not to Come" that was brilliant.
BEHAR: Apparently, she forgot to tell Levi.
ROSS: Oh.
BENNETT: Exactly.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Laura, do you think that Sarah will show up or will they have to pay her a fee?
BENNETT: I don`t think she`ll show up. I think she`s way too busy --
(CROSSTALK)
SHUTER: Yes, she`s going. She`s going next week. She said she`s going to be there next week.
ROSS: She`ll probably steal the wardrobe afterwards too.
BENNETT: I don`t know. I just want to know who comes up with the list of people to call. Who thinks of David Hasselhoff, "The Situation", and Bristol Palin all in the same train of thought? It`s like --
BEHAR: But everybody watched it that night because it was a total train wreck from A to Z. Except --
SHUTER: The ratings were up 37 percent.
BEHAR: Right.
SHUTER: It was a massive --
BEHAR: Yes. You want to see them sort of trip over their abs, you know, "The Situation".
Today Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher are celebrating their fifth anniversary. Yet rumors of infidelity continue to haunt them. Rob, what`s the latest?
SHUTER: Oh, this is a big story. "Star" magazine had this story for three weeks. And like the Mel Gibson tapes, they`ve sort of leaked a little piece every week. And now this week they`ve finally given out the text messages.
It`s clearly, clearly a smoking gun. This guy`s been sending text messages to this girl. And it`s in the magazine to read. It`s out there.
BEHAR: Why do you think, Laura, they`ve become such a target of the tabloids? I mean what do people have against them?
BENNETT: Well, they kind of put themselves out there all over Twitter. But you know, it was an accident waiting to happen. I have a whole theory about this May-December.
BEHAR: Tell me.
BENNETT: My husband is 20 years older than I am. So he can`t see wrinkles and (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
BEHAR: Is he blind?
BENNETT: No. But he`s just old. So I can be moving around my apartment with a walker, and he`ll think I`m some hot babe rearranging the furniture.
BEHAR: I love it.
BENNETT: So I don`t go -- I don`t understand why women set themselves up for this younger man thing. It`s a disaster waiting to happen.
BEHAR: Oh, that`s interesting.
ROSS: I just feel like as long as Ashton doesn`t pull a Woody and start hitting on his stepdaughters it`s ok.
BEHAR: Oh. No, he wouldn`t do that. That`s not his -- he`s not interested in that. But do you buy that they`re still madly in love because they`re always posing in love and tweeting in love. It`s annoying.
BENNETT: It is.
ROSS: Celebrity relationships run out. You know? Demi, if you`re watching, I`m at Caroline`s all weekend. I`d love to buy you a drink. I think she`s so hot.
BEHAR: Why would Demi Moore want to go out with Ted Kaczynski? That is the question. It`s unbelievable.
ROSS: Really?
BEHAR: How long have you been homeless?
ROSS: Six months. How do you like it?
BEHAR: Do you think, Rob, that Demi, because she`s Mrs. Ashton Kutcher --
SHUTER: She`s made the last ten years of her life has been that role. She`s been very, very keen to play that role. So this coming along with this sort of evidence that is coming with it is pretty devastating to her. It will be interesting to see --
BEHAR: Will it ruin her career?
SHUTER: Well, she doesn`t really have one at the moment. Her career is being his wife. So let`s see what happens tonight. People in Hollywood are thinking they`ll go to Nobu with some sort of big photo op holding hands that they`re together or they might disappear and do nothing. We`ll find out later.
BEHAR: They`ve been together ten years, and he`s now only 32 or something. Come on. I really can`t blame the guy. I got married at 22 and believe me, all I thought about was adultery. I hope my daughter`s not listening. Seriously.
I think it`s a very early age to get married. And whether she`s 47 or 22, it`s the same problem.
Just saying.
Now, what about the cougars? What`s going to happen to the cougar movement? I`m scared now. Because you know, Steve is seven years younger than me.
ROSS: She`s the original cougar, though, right?
BENNETT: Yes she is.
SHUTER: They need a new poster child. If this burns and crashes, we have to find somebody else --
ROSS: Joy Behar, you`re the new cougar --
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: No one`s interested in me. You know, my (EXPLETIVE DELETED) down to my knees. No one cares.
BENNETT: You should marry my husband. He can`t see that.
BEHAR: Exactly. I have a guy who also is legally sort of blind almost which I enjoy. He`s not really. But he`s got -- he`s Jewish. He can`t see.
ROSS: I hope he`s deaf also.
BEHAR: Nice.
BENNETT: You know what it is? You have those big old boobs down to here and he`ll go wow, look at that ass.
BEHAR: That`s love. You know, that`s the kind of guy you`re looking for out there.
ROSS: You need a weight lifter who can pick them up for you.
BEHAR: Tote that bar, lift those --
ROSS: I think you look great, by the way.
BEHAR: Thank you -- whatever.
Now, let`s go on to earlier this week, when Ms. Christine O`Donnell -- you know who she is?
ROSS: Yes.
BEHAR: The candidate for senatorial -- the senatorial candidate from Delaware. She went on national TV to announce that she will no longer go on national TV. Now, you know what? I`m worried about her because I think she doesn`t have the bus travel money. She only made $5,800 last year.
BENNETT: And she didn`t pay the taxes on that.
BEHAR: And she didn`t pay the taxes. Now, come on. What do you think about that? So much dirt has surfaced. It`s just -- is this just the tip of the iceberg with this girl?
SHUTER: You would expect so. And certainly now people are looking into her, so they`re going to find more if it comes out. There`s something about this character, though, that is so fascinating to the media. I know that --
BEHAR: It`s like Sarah.
SHUTER: That`s exactly what it is. And I think that if her and Sarah get together they can definitely get themselves a cover of "People" or one of those magazines. I`m pretty convinced it will happen.
BEHAR: I don`t know if she`s going to win, but she has the Wicca vote wrapped up.
BENNETT: The Wicca vote.
ROSS: She dabbles with witchcraft. As opposed to Sarah Palin, who practices bitchcraft.
BEHAR: Oh.
ROSS: That`s scarier.
BEHAR: Do you think that this is a dream come true for comedians, though? Between Sarah, Bristol, and this other witch, I mean, it`s -- come on, it`s a gift.
ROSS: It`s a great week for us.
BEHAR: I know. I feel like writing them thank you notes. But thank you guys. Ok? I won`t write you a note. Just thank you.
And if you`re in New York this week, catch Jeffrey Ross at Caroline`s all weekend. We`ll be back in a minute. He`s the funniest.
ROSS: Thank you.
BEHAR: You are.
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BEHAR: They drive coast to coast across America, combing through piles and piles of other people`s junk. Take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here`s your school bus.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are a couple of cigarette machines in there.
MIKE WOLF, CO-STAR "AMERICAN PICKERS": He`d always see people storing stuff in buses. It`s a pretty good place to store stuff. Everything is usually dry. But the thing is you can`t get around in them, man. I mean, you`re going up and down and around.
Oh, my God.
And if you`re going to climb into a bus to pick, you`d better have your hiking boots on.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: I wonder if this is how Lady Gaga built her wardrobe.
Here now with the co-stars of "American Pickers" on the History Channel: Frank Fritz and Mike Wolf. Hi, guys.
FRANK FRITZ, CO-STAR "AMERICAN PICKERS": How are you doing?
WOLF: How are you doing, Joy?
BEHAR: So you go around the country picking through people`s stuff. Right?
I have to ask you this first question because one of the things about that we were learning this week was that the world is filled with bed bugs. Particularly in New York City, even though you guys are not exactly here. A lot of bed bugs that can be -- and they say the one thing you should remember is never pick up a piece of garbage or anything off the street. Hello.
WOLF: We would be out of business.
BEHAR: Exactly.
FRITZ: Yes.
BEHAR: Well, what do you do about that? Bugs and insects and mice and dead cats all over the place and all that other stuff?
FRITZ: You know, I mean, bugs, I mean, we go to a lot of different places. I mean, we`re disrupting their home. You know, and I mean sometimes you get bit. A lot of times you don`t realize it until the next day. So I mean --
BEHAR: What do you get bitten by?
FRITZ: We were bitten by fleas and I mean by sand ticks --
BEHAR: Yes, yes.
WOLF: I never get bit. He always gets bit.
BEHAR: They love you.
FRITZ: I`m just like --
WOLF: They love him.
FRITZ: -- they use to love me. I`m just too sweet or something. They`re just always on top of me for some reason. But I mean, when you disrupt somebody -- anybody`s area, I mean, they`re just -- that`s behind the scenes, you know.
BEHAR: Yes, yes. But do you --
WOLF: I`m more afraid of like brown recluse spiders and rats that are this big --
BEHAR: Yes, yes.
WOLF: --and snakes and all that stuff.
BEHAR: I mean that to me is the occupational hazard of what you guys do.
FRITZ: Right. And it`s out there too. And it`s just kind of goes hand in hand. A lot of times we`re making so much noise and stuff like that -- that we don`t see -- I mean, they`re scurrying away and stuff.
BEHAR: Yes but you should fumigate yourselves after you do this. All right.
WOLF: What`s that stuff they bought for us? That we painted on our hands. Remember?
FRITZ: Oh it was called chigger red.
WOLF: Chigger red.
FRITZ: But once you need --
WOLF: I recommend it.
FRITZ: -- chigger red, it`s over.
BEHAR: Yes.
FRITZ: I mean, it`s like -- I mean, once you need that stuff, it`s too late.
BEHAR: Ok. How did you get into this line of work? Medical school was too tough?
WOLF: No I mean, when I -- when I was a kid, I was one of those kids that like was fascinated by the city dump. We`d go down there. I`d go down to the junk yard and like look inside the cars` glove boxes and see if there was anything that could connect me to the car.
You know, as far as like an old registration or maybe a matchbook. Because it`s kind of like --
BEHAR: Fascinated by junk.
WOLF: Yes I loved it.
BEHAR: And you too? You too?
FRITZ: Yes. I mean, I lived by some railroad tracks, and I wasn`t supposed to walk through the woods to go to school, but I did. And back then -- and people threw stuff off. They threw like beer cans.
BEHAR: Yes, yes.
FRITZ: And throw the top cans and just stuff off and so I used to pick all this stuff up by the railroad tracks and I used to bring it home. And the next thing I had little rock collections and I had beer can collections. And --
BEHAR: I see. So you have found your bliss.
WOLF: Yes.
BEHAR: Ok. Let me ask you a question. How do you find these people? What do you do first?
WOLF: There`s a couple of different ways. I mean, one is called free-styling where basically, you know, you`re on the pavement and then you`re on the gravel and then on your -- then you`re on the dirt and when you hit the dirt that means you`re getting ready -- you`re getting down to business. Because we want to lose ourselves in this landscape and we want to find these forgotten places.
So we`ll roll up on a place where we`re like hey, here`s a flyer. We`re interested in buying something. Do you have anything you might want to sell?
Another way, Danielle, the gal that works for us, she`s the 911 dispatcher of junk. She basically lets us know, hey, I blasted this area on the Internet, I`ve got some hot leads, you`d better head that way. Or it might be even something as simple as --
BEHAR: So people come to find you sometimes.
WOLF: Oh, yes.
FRITZ: And plus it`s a lot of networking too. I mean, we -- we hook up with one person and they`re like hey, my friend`s cousin`s sister`s boyfriend --
BEHAR: Is a hoarder. A lot of hoarders. Right?
FRITZ: There`s a fine line between collector and hoarder. You know and so --
WOLF: And the thing is with a hoarder, though, if you watch like the show "Hoarders" and our show, these guys have piles of stuff but they`re very proud -- they`re very proud people.
BEHAR: Yes.
WOLF: Where on the "Hoarders" show they`re not so proud.
BEHAR: So you pay them some money, you give them cash.
WOLF: Oh yes.
BEHAR: You take the stuff, and then you mark it up in your little business that you have, right?
FRITZ: Right.
BEHAR: Which is not so little anymore.
WOLF: No. It`s crazy.
BEHAR: Ok, let`s look at some of the items. Tell me about them. Let`s start with this Harley-Davidson hat. What is that? Where did that come from?
WOLF: That came out of a guy`s basement the other day in Tennessee. He had two of them. I bought both of them. I paid $75 apiece for them. That`s a hat that`s from the `30s, early `40s. And Harley-Davidson, you know, like now we look at it as a lifestyle company.
Well, it always has been. They were interested in promoting clubs. They had all the clothing. You know, they did a great job of marketing themselves early on. So you know, obviously Harley-Davidson`s stuff is crazy. I mean, that`s -- that`s a great piece.
BEHAR: So -- this is from the `40s. You paid $75 for this hat. You actually took out cash. How did you know it was worth $75?
WOLF: One of the things that we specialize in is anything with transportation. We do a lot of stuff with anything with two wheels and a motor on it.
BEHAR: Yes.
WOLF: So we love anything American motorcycle.
BEHAR: Ok but then you -- the value of it is now what?
WOLF: Two to 2 1/2, depending on a good day on an Internet auction.
BEHAR: $200 bucks.
WOLF: Yes.
BEHAR: So how did you know to raise it to that price? Do you have somebody appraising this stuff?
WOLF: Well, no. It`s something like that, I mean, we -- that`s what we specialize in.
FRITZ: Yes.
WOLF: I mean, the thing is -- anybody, any picker is going to specialize in one field. But the thing is you can`t have blinders on. You can`t be one trick pony and just buy that stuff. If you were, then you could never make a living.
BEHAR: I heard that you found a popcorn machine that was valuable, right?
WOLF: Yes.
FRITZ: Yes, it was actually it was bottoms to them and they have junked all of those and they`re very, very hard to find. It was a steam engine, it had a boiler hooked up on it --
BEHAR: Just to pop popcorn?
FRITZ: Yes. And actually -- yes actually it had a little whistle on it so that if you`d left your -- it was a vendor, it was sidewalk vendor --
BEHAR: Yes.
FRITZ: -- and they would let like the patrons know, people on the street, and they did that whistle, fresh popcorn.
BEHAR: And what did you pay for that?
FRITZ: I believe I paid $200 for that.
BEHAR: And what did you sell it for?
FRITZ: They would -- first to you or --
BEHAR: Oh no, on eBay let`s say.
FRITZ: I was -- eBay is a tricky thing because you might get --
BEHAR: But what`s the most you could get for it?
FRITZ: They valued it at around $2,500. So $1,500 to $2,000 would be a fair price.
BEHAR: So do you feel bad that you got, she was paid only $200 for it when you`re going to get $2,500?
FRITZ: Actually, I didn`t feel bad. We really didn`t know what we had there. And we did have it appraised. And sometimes appraisals are -- it`s an appraisal.
BEHAR: Yes, yes.
FRITZ: You know what I mean, so --
BEHAR: So you don`t know if you`re going to get it.
FRITZ: Only if --
BEHAR: You have to find somebody who wants that exact popcorn --
WOLF: The end of the rainbow.
BEHAR: Ok I love this "Planet of the Apes" lunchbox.
WOLF: I love that too.
BEHAR: You paid $50 for that. And why do people want these lunchboxes? They`re very popular.
WOLF: Well, people want to connect with something from their past. You know their childhood. I`m 45 years old. I can remember having that box. I can remember watching the television show. I can remember Charlton Heston, you know, in the movie. I mean, that`s a great piece.
I mean, I also had the "Adam 12" piece, that lunchbox.
BEHAR: Yes.
WOLF: I remember that. You know, this is -- this is an awesome item. It`s an iconic piece.
BEHAR: Before -- I have to go to the third one because we`re running out of time.
WOLF: Ok.
FRITZ: Ok.
BEHAR: What is that thing?
FRITZ: That`s a track sign that actually went to the bottom and said railroad -- like a railroad crossing. That was made in the late `20s, `30s. It`s got marbles on it, it`s reflective marbles. They`re all there. That`s just a great accent piece. I mean --
BEHAR: Would you fix it up before you sold it or it was just as is.
FRITZ: No, as is. That`s a great piece you can put on your mantel. Small stuff always sells because everybody -- let`s face it everybody`s always got enough room for something this big. Some big huge thing you can have room.
BEHAR: Quick. What`s the best item you found?
WOLF: 1913 Harley in a barn in New York.
BEHAR: All right. Thank you very much, guys. Catch Frank and Mike on "American Pickers" Monday at 9:00 p.m. on the History Channel.
Back in a minute.
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BEHAR: On his Bravo show "Flipping Out" we get a glimpse into the world of Jeff Lewis, an obsessive compulsive house flipper. For this season viewers have seen a different side of Jeff as he deals with a sluggish real estate market and a new business. Here now is Jeff Lewis. Hi.
JEFF LEWIS, BRAVO, "FLIPPING OUT": Hi, Joy. I put on a suit, as you noticed, unlike Jeffrey Ross, who just rolled out of bed.
BEHAR: I mean, really. He rolled out of a cardboard box.
LEWIS: I mean I thought there would be some sort of dress code, which you clearly need to institute which I`ve done at my office now because they do. I mean that`s what happens with the employees. They just kind of -- you give them an inch and they take a mile and you have to kind of basically draw boundaries and then you have to enforce them.
BEHAR: Yes. When your show first started, you were flipping houses. A lot of people were doing that.
LEWIS: Yes.
BEHAR: Re-modeling them and then flipping them and making more money. But then the economy crashed.
LEWIS: Right.
BEHAR: And so now -- has this been a hard thing for you to adjust?
LEWIS: Yes. It`s been really difficult. But it`s not even just -- it`s not even just me and the real estate market. I think it`s -- you know, I`m kind of the poster boy for the small businessman. And I think that I lot of small businesses were certainly affected, if not completely devastated. Now, my business --
BEHAR: By the drop in the housing market?
LEWIS: Well, with everything -- with the recession/depression; the real estate market dropping, everything. And you know, for me this is the way I look at it. I did this for about 11, 12 years, and I absolutely loved it. It was my passion. I did really well at it. I had a really good run.
I feel -- I`m still a house flipper, but it`s just kind of on hold for now. And it`s been on hold since probably about 2008, when the drop occurred. But I will tell you, the way I see things going is, you know, I work a lot in northern California and southern California, and what I notice is the market is leveling off. People are feeling more comfortable to spend money.
They have come to terms -- they`ve come to terms with the fact that they`re staying in their home probably three, five, seven years, they`re going to wait it out, but now they`re looking at like, you know, honey, we`re going to be here for five years, let`s redo the kitchen, let`s put in a swimming pool, let`s add value and let`s enjoy it while we`re holding on to this house.
BEHAR: That`s a very good idea because that keeps marriages going also when you renovate. There`s a reason to be there.
LEWIS: Actually --
BEHAR: I`m serious.
LEWIS: I actually, though --
BEHAR: It really does.
LEWIS: Remodels do cause break-ups, which is good for me because then I get to remodel their first house and then the husband`s next house and the wife`s next house. So it`s actually -- keeps me in business.
BEHAR: Ok. Now, did you see the housing collapse come? Because you know, maybe you`re clairvoyant a little bit, you`re so good at this.
LEWIS: It`s funny you say that because nobody predicted this. Nobody could predict this. I didn`t see it coming.
BEHAR: Now, on your show we see you dealing with your employees. And you seem to ride them quite a bit. Would you work for you?
LEWIS: I could work for me. I could work for me. In fact, I was trained by somebody like me. And I know what it takes, I think, to be a good assistant. And I don`t think what people realize on my show is I do get upset with my assistants but it`s normally when they make the same mistake multiple times.
If you make a mistake, I usually forgive that mistake. But when you make it the fourth, fifth, sixth time, that`s when I lose it.
BEHAR: How come they`re allowed to make it five, six times?
LEWIS: Well, that`s where I -- probably a little bit of a softy.
BEHAR: So you`re really not that bad. And you`re very sweet. You bought your live-in housekeeper Zoila a car and you took her on a trip to New York. You`re a single guy. Why do you need a housekeeper? And are you very close?
LEWIS: We are close. I think we kind of have this strange mother-son relationship and I`ve been compared to Norman Bates many times.
BEHAR: I can see that. I see that.
LEWIS: Right. And the fact is it`s not just cleaning the house. It`s at 6:30 when I wake up I want my hot cup of water and lemon. At 6:35 I want my coffee. You know, then I go to the gym. At 8:30 I want my smoothie and I want my lunch at 11:30.
BEHAR: And she takes care of all that?
LEWIS: She takes care of all that. And she irons my sheets, does my laundry.
BEHAR: Does she breast-feed you?
LEWIS: She used to until recently. Because I was getting a little too old I think for breast-feeding.
BEHAR: Ok. Thank you so much, Jeff.
LEWIS: Thank you.
BEHAR: Ok. Dr. Oz is next.
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BEHAR: Dr. McDreamy has nothing on my next guest. He`s TV`s favorite doctor, the host of the "DR. OZ SHOW" which just began its second season. Hello, Dr. Oz.
DR. MEHMET OZ, HOST, "THE DR. OZ SHOW": I`m so happy to be here.
BEHAR: I`m happy to have you. I love - I love talking to you about different stuff.
OZ: Now I`m going to interrupt you for one second. I went apple picking this weekend. I do it every fall. And I took the liberty of picking an apple for you. It is a perfectly rounded green apple. Has all the nutrients you want. The pectin, I know you want the fiber to keep your poop regular. The vitamin C you want to keep your skin looking young. So here, to my teacher Joy Behar.
BEHAR: Thank you.
OZ: I love you.
BEHAR: You know when I was a teacher but no one ever brought me an apple.
OZ: Well now you got one.
BEHAR: Guns and other weaponry.
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BEHAR: OK I want to talk to you about sex today. There`s a lot of sex in your thing this week, so I want to talk about it -- on your show. But I want to first start with Michael Douglas because it`s in the news and he started treatment for throat cancer. And he says he`s getting this incredible support from cancer survivors, from strangers. I know that it`s important when you`re ill to have your people, your significant others around you, but how important is it to get help from strangers?
OZ: It`s essential. You know what allows humans to survive, it always has, allowed us to survive, is the fabric of people around us. So perfectly unknown individual can come into your life and create that cobweb of support that you need when you`re falling. Let me give you a statistic -- if you have a major crisis in your life, especially financial, divorce, bankruptcy, you get sued.
BEHAR: Right.
OZ: The average loss of life from that stress is about seven years. Think about that. If you have a social --
BEHAR: You mean, will only survive seven years with that?
OZ: No, you will live seven years shorter than you would have.
BEHAR: Oh, I see.
OZ: Now if you have a social network and you, even perfect strangers, that reduction is less than a year. So there`s a huge benefit -
BEHAR: Wow.
OZ: For someone like Michael Douglas being pushed up, propped up, made to feel that he`s just a drop falling into the ocean of humanity. What hurts us a lot as we get older - especially and throughout our lives - - we feel separate from everybody else approximately that`s the friendships we rely on so much. And again, what allows humans to survive in our darkest times. It will work today.
BEHAR: It`s what the Germans call a mine shaft. It`s about the community, very important stuff. But I think that what`s really important also is that he gets super good health care because he`s rich.
OZ: It works both ways. I`ve taken care of my share of VIPs. What you don`t want is VIP care. Because all of a sudden people don`t do what they normally do. The chairman of the department --
BEHAR: Because they`re scared.
OZ: They`re scared. And they start doing things they haven`t done in years -
BEHAR: Right.
OZ: Because they want to show off. And slowly you spiral down this abyss of poor care. The smartest thing I ever heard from a patient of mine was a doctor, orthopedic surgeon. He came to me for aneuritic (ph) value operation. And as he`s lying on the table, Dr. Smith, you`ll be going to sleep now. He said, no, it`s Mr. Smith. I don`t want to be Dr. Smith until I leave the hospital. Treat me like a regular patient because the regular guys get OK. Now what Michael Douglas did wisely and so did his wife, because they asked questions. They got the first opinion, and second opinion, then a third opinion. Why is that important? If you get a second opinion, which only 10 percent of us by the way because we`re worried about messing up that precious covenant with our doctor, we don`t want to create awkwardness. Forget that. You get a second opinion. It will change your diagnosis or your therapy one-third of the time. Think about that. A third of the time you get a different therapy than if you hadn`t asked the question.
BEHAR: Really.
OZ: And so the question is why are you shy? So think about this. You`re like a butterfly. You are populating different flowers within the medical profession. And if you get a second doctor and the diagnosis is different, the first doctor learns from that. And ever other patient that they will ever see for the rest of their career benefits because you taught that doctor about a new diagnosis. Because you got a second opinion.
BEHAR: Well you`re assuming that the first doctor isn`t an overblown narcissist.
OZ: If he is, you shouldn`t be seeing him.
BEHAR: Yes but you don`t know that maybe until you get the second opinion, and then you test it.
OZ: But sometimes the second opinions are wrong ones.
BEHAR: And maybe the third is yet another opinion though. Three different opinions on the same illness.
OZ: It`s not rare. We did a campaign for New York Presbyterian hospital where I practice.
BEHAR: Right.
OZ: We talk about all these high tech devices we had and these cool machines. Then we sat back and said wait a minute, the first thing a patient asks me is not what`s the newest robot you have. It`s doc, do I really need the operation?
BEHAR: Yes.
OZ: And the most valuable thing you can tell a patient is you`re not ready for surgery yet. You can wait for a while. That`s a second opinion that I know we get as you move up the chain to better physicians. Most docs actually hold back without being too aggressive.
BEHAR: Oh let me talk sex now. Because in your show this week you`re discussing women`s vaginas.
OZ: oh, is that right?
BEHAR: OK, let`s watch.
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OZ: This is a new vaginal wall in your 20s and 30s.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
OZ: Now what I want you to do is take this hammer.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.
OZ: All right, I want you to try to put a hole in the vaginal wall in your 30s. Go ahead, hit it again. Go ahead. Now, let`s look at the vaginal wall in your 50s and beyond.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t want to know this because I`m 57.
OZ: You are?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
OZ: All right then well hit it gently.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, oh.
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BEHAR: Well, that sucks.
OZ: That`s going to be bad, that`s painful. Feels painful, doesn`t it?
BEHAR: Well the thinning of the vaginal walls. It ruins your sex life really because it hurts.
OZ: We hear this complaint all the time. So we actually got together, three world class gynecologists and we had a little symposium. Gynecologists guide to sex after 40. And the place they wanted to start, and they all agreed on this, was anatomy. I said, why? Said because women spend too much time looking for their g-spot. They don`t understand that there`s clitoral atrophy that occurs as they get older.
BEHAR: Clitoral atrophy?
OZ: Yes, believe it or not.
BEHAR: I was having a bad day as it is.
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OZ: It is harder to hit harder to find. It`s tough.
BEHAR: What age does the clitoral atrophy set in.
OZ: As soon as your estrogen levels starts to drop. You know by the time you are in your 40s. You start to experience it and it gets worst as you get older.
BEHAR: So what does it mean, it`s harder to have an orgasm.
OZ: Harder to find the clitoris so it is hard to have an orgasm.
BEHAR: It`s hard to find it.
OZ: It starts to get folded in. You know you can still find it. And obviously, women who, you know, who are well past menopause can have meaningful sex. By the way, one of the little tips we gave everybody is get a mirror and examine yourself. Because there`s a couple things that can happen. You could have that very fragile wall that we showed in the little demonstration from the show. If you that, then you actually want to massage the inner wall a little bit. To relax it, you can use olive oil for that, by the way.
BEHAR: What?
OZ: Yes, I love olive oil, it is a Mediterranean diet but in a different way.
BEHAR: Who will massage the vaginal walls?
OZ: That was a tip from one of those experts. And she`s absolutely right. People call in and say, yes, that`s a good idea.
BEHAR: She`s massaging her own vaginal wall -
OZ: Yes and she shared it with her patients.
BEHAR: Can you have a girl come in and do that?
OZ: You can probably have somebody do that. Because it is foreplay. But the thing is that people get very anxious about all this stuff. And you know the other thing you got to do is, you got to be able to look inside that wall and see what color it is. We had little palettes. This might actually be helpful for your audience.
BEHAR: Yes.
OZ: You have to look in there and see what color are you. So you see that the healthy is the salmon pink color. And if you have thinning vaginal wall, eggshell or beige. You don`t want that color. And by the way the outside skin color doesn`t matter. The inner color needs to be the color that I`m showing there.
BEHAR: How do you see that? You have to put a flashlight up there?
OZ: A flashlight and a mirror and look. You can examine each other, I guess.
BEHAR: Who am I, Cirque du Soleil here?
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OZ: Yes but if you got that, you need to deal with that.
BEHAR: But let`s say, dr. Oz, that you`re older so you probably can assume that your vagina is thinning and it`s a pink color, it is not a good pink. So why do you have to look at it?
OZ: No first of all, as you`re going through perimenopause, you`re not sure where you are on that path. And that`s where women get turned off from sex because they enter the that period of time where it`s uncomfortable. It`s not as rewarding as it used to be. It can be distressing when you don`t reach orgasm. So you want to know what your estrogen levels are because that`s a very easy thing to fix.
BEHAR: How, how do you fix your estrogen levels.
OZ: You can estrogen cream, there are little suppositories you can put in there. There`s all kinds of ways.
BEHAR: They`re saying that`s dangerous all that hormone replacement. I stopped taking it a long time ago.
OZ: Well hormone replacement therapy when taking it 20 years after menopause and you have risk factors for heart disease, that worries me a lot. But if you are taking it during peri-menopause - and you are having problems, I wouldn`t just take it to prevent problems that don`t exist yet. But if you are having an issue, like inability to sleep, hot flashes, you`re miserable because you don`t have sex. Well you want to be in a sexual famine in life, you want to be able to have intimate relations. So go to check it. And you know these -- they have all kinds now of local ways of administering estrogen. But the other thing, it`s not always estrogen, there are other things that can cause the problem. Sometimes you just begin to get tight in there. You have to use dilators to relax the area. In order to be able to --
BEHAR: Oy.
OZ: And I brought you a matching set.
BEHAR: But you know, the menopause, women do report that they have a lower sex drive. And that`s probably normal. What are you supposed to do about that?
OZ: Again --
BEHAR: Besides the pain and the thinness of the walls, what about the need and the desire? It sort of diminishes.
OZ: It doesn`t diminish in everybody. At least a quarter of women and men --
BEHAR: Those are the ones who are finding new boyfriends.
OZ: Exactly. They`re actually hunting them down.
BEHAR: It doesn`t diminish in those.
OZ: It doesn`t diminish but they have something going on, probably related to their diet, probably related to the amount of activity they have and the prophylactic techniques they`ve used to maintain physical prowess. If you don`t use it, you lose it. So they stay active. However, at the end of the day, if you have no libido, one of the first things I do is check your testosterone. I wouldn`t just give this stuff out, but for men and women, that`s one of the least used medications in the lay public and one of the most used by the medical profession.
BEHAR: OK now what are the side effects of taking testosterone besides a mustache.
OZ: Mustache is one of them. But for women who have already low levels there are very few side effects.
BEHAR: Really.
OZ: From a little bit of testosterone.
BEHAR: So it doesn`t harm your health to take testosterone low levels.
OZ: As long as you`re levels in your blood are already low and you are just making your levels back to normal, there`s no major risk factor.
BEHAR: That`s interesting.
OZ: And by the way, for any of these hormones, I recognize, you know, there`s a big eco-system in there, lots of stuff, lots of moving parts. I don`t want to willy-nilly throw them out. But inability to have sex, Joy, is an independent, in my opinion, risk for not living as long. And we know that women who don`t have meaningful sex, playful sex -
BEHAR: Yes.
OZ: Have a shorter life expectancy. And we know that men --
BEHAR: That`s right, that`s true.
OZ: They go from having once a week which is the average to twice a week, they live three years longer. Not a bad trade-off.
BEHAR: That`s pretty good information. And we`re just getting started with Dr. Oz. So we`ll be back in just a bit, so stay there.
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OZ: It`s a strawberry with some pesticide on it. You eat that food and those chemicals get in your body. And they muck up who the liver functions. And that takes the fat cells and obese-ogens, for example, grows those fat cells. You see how they get nice and big and porky and fill the whole area. And all of a sudden, your whole body starts to feel the penalty because of this.
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BEHAR: OK. We`re back with the host of the "DR. OZ SHOW," Dr. Oz. So tell me what an obese-ogen is because you were just talking about that.
OZ: Obese-ogen are chemicals that are found in the environment that block the ability of hormones in your body to do what they are suppose to do. Most of the time --
BEHAR: Where do they come from?
OZ: They come from your drinking water, pesticides, they come from plastics, you know those vinyl curtains you have in your shower. You know those carbonless filter receipts you get at gas stations they have bisphenol-a. Which is a chemical that can block your hormones. And remember Joy, your hormones are there to keep and they are designed to keep you at peace with the world around you. So if your hormones are functioning normally, they will naturally take you to your playing weight, which is your weight when you`re 18, 20 years of age.
BEHAR: So how do you avoid the obese-ogens?
OZ: They don`t have to be in your life. I`ll give you an example, 9f you microwave food with saran wrap on top of it, or in the Tupperware container, then you are actually pushing the plastic, the felix (ph), the plastin (ph) materials into the food when you eat the food, it ends up in your blood stream.
BEHAR: OK so most of the people who are watch, they use a microwaveable thing. Let`s say one of those lean cuisiney things right.
OZ: Right.
BEHAR: So it has the cellophane on the top. You`re suppose to punch holes in it, that`s no good? So take it off?
OZ: Yes, I would take it off. I would not microwave within those packages at all.
BEHAR: You take the thing out of the package.
OZ: No I would take it out of the plastic, take the top part off.
BEHAR: The top part.
OZ: The top plastic off.
BEHAR: What about the bottom? That`s OK?
OZ: Yes, they vary from company to company. And by the way, the Tupperware containers themselves. You know where we store last night`s containers.
BEHAR: Right.
OZ: You know if they`re plastic, I would not microwave in those either. Put it on to a plate and microwave on a plate.
BEHAR: A regular ceramic plate is better than plastic.
OZ: That`s right, that`s perfect. You know those nonstick pans that we cook with -
BEHAR: Yes, Teflon.
OZ: Yes those chemicals also leach into the food, especially if they`re broken or cracked or scraped.
BEHAR: OK, that`s interesting.
OZ: So I like the anodized aluminum. You can get ceramic coating inside of there so again, you avoid those chemicals leaching into the food. You should have the carbon filter on the water at home. Very simple thing to do, it costs, you know, 25 to $30 put a carbon filter on your faucet about that way you don`t have the pesticides which without question affect the hormones. You know Joy, there are no female fish any more around reservoirs.
BEHAR: Really?
OZ: Yes. Because the chemicals get into the water and they affect the gender of the fish. Because fish don`t determine the gender when they`re made, they determine the gender depending to what chemicals they are exposed to.
BEHAR: This is around reservoirs because they put chemicals in the water.
OZ: The runoff from fertilizers.
BEHAR: I see so stay away from those type of things and you won`t have these obese-ogens and that will help you to be thin.
OZ: Yes if you`re frustrated because you`re unable to lose weight. The key things that point to, make sure your thyroid hormones functioning normally, make sure you have the right mixture of sex hormones and make sure you are not getting chemicals that block them, which are these obese- ogens.
BEHAR: I see.
OZ: It`s a very, very big area of resource right now.
BEHAR: OK, you`re doing a special for Oprah`s new network, I understand?
OZ: Yes. How did you find that out?
BEHAR: We have spies.
OZ: You are very connected. That`s good.
BEHAR: We have Oprah spies, so how do you feel about her leaving the network like that?
OZ: Oh I`m very proud of Oprah. She spent a long time thinking about what she`s going to do in her life. And you know, you`re a creative person. When you reach the pinnacle of your creativity in a field, and you think, you know what, I can be creative in a better way, in a different way, somewhere else -
BEHAR: Right.
OZ: You make the move, unless you`re scared which most of us are about making a jump like that. I mean, who leaves when they`re number one by a long shot in daytime and decides to go off and make their own network, someone who is really confident in themselves.
BEHAR: Well she also has tons and tons of money.
OZ: Yes but money doesn`t motivate people like Oprah. Oprah`s motivated by being able to built -
BEHAR: No, I`m not saying that -
OZ: Creative juices --
BEHAR: No what I`m saying is that she feels completely secured financially. Beyond secure.
OZ: She was secure five years ago, she was secure ten years ago. The reason she`s doing it now is she realizes there`s an opportunity to make a channel that offers an alternative to what`s currently out there. And you know she has to go prove it.
BEHAR: It`s risky.
OZ: Very risky.
BEHAR: Very risk.
OZ: Very risky.
BEHAR: What happens if it doesn`t work for her? And what will she do, do you think?
OZ: It`s hard to guess.
BEHAR: She`ll come up with something else.
OZ: But failure`s not an option. I mean there`s going to be, a way to make it work. It`s too good of an idea. Too many talented people out there to help. It is going to be challenging.
BEHAR: Yes.
OZ: It`s not easy to put this many hours of programs -
BEHAR: Yes, very difficult.
OZ: It takes a long time to get the best people there, but she`s pulling together some pretty top notch folks.
BEHAR: But I agree with you. I think reinventing, you have to do that after all or you get stale and you get bored and it doesn`t work anymore. You know a new poll says 50 percent of women would give up sex than gain ten pounds. Are you surprised to hear that?
OZ: No.
BEHAR: That is how much women hate to be fat.
OZ: They`re not proud of themselves when they`re heavy.
BEHAR: It`s just ten pounds, though.
OZ: It`s nothing. That`s how women feel about it. It is also measured in monetary terms. Women are much more willing to take a little extra cash than have sex because it makes them feel prouder of themselves. But sex is important. Being intimate with people you love is what connection is all about.
BEHAR: And if you do it right and if you do it enough, you lose weight.
OZ: Yes. That`s what I think. You know actually, I tell you, there are four centers - four places in the brain where you have absolute cravings. You crave food, you crave water, you sleep and you crave sex. If you don`t have enough of one, you can take more of the other. People who don`t have sex will crave more of the sleep, if they don`t get more of the sleep, they`ll crave more of the food. Over and over again.
BEAHR: Oh that`s interesting. Those four things equal.
OZ: They travel together. You must satisfy all of them. That`s why we ask people take a drink of water before they eat, because you can`t tell the difference between thirst and hunger. They feel the same to you. And people who are not sleeping well will crave carbohydrates because it satiates them.
BEHAR: It is interesting, I never like to have a glass of wine after I`m done eating. I only like it before. Why is that? Because I`m hungry?
OZ: You like the wine before the meal.
BEHAR: Yes. Or with the meal. Not after. Like if I get through a meal with the dessert, I never want to have a glass of wine. Why?
OZ: I don`t know. I actually like the wine afterwards -
BEHAR: You do.
OZ: Because it replaces the dessert. Listen, no one likes to have a tiramisu with a good chianti. Right, you want to have the wine at the end. So where does sex fit into that? Before or after the meal?
BEHAR: It depends how much I`ve eaten.
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BEHAR: Because if you are feeling bloated, the last thing you want is someone on top of you. OK, sit tight, we`ll be back with Dr. Oz in a minute. Am I right?
OZ: Yes you are. Touche.
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BEHAR: We`re back with Dr. Oz. And I was asking you during the break about how to get yourself to drink more water.
OZ: You know a lot of folks have this misguided belief you have to drink eight glasses of water.
BEHAR: Yes.
OZ: And we`re talking about whether that`s important or not. I actually don`t think you have to drink eight glasses of water. That data was based on world war ii studies on G.I.s.
BEHAR: Oh.
OZ: And they were trying to figure out how much water do people consume. And if you know all that research was done well, but the fact is, half of the food content is water. If you get a lot of water from food.
BEHAR: So how many glasses, bottom line?
OZ: If your urine is clear, if you can read through your urine. You got to do that to check it, read through the urine, you drink enough water.
BEHAR: The amount of time spent looking at my bottom is unbelievable with you. What do you think of this new study that says the perfect salary for happiness is $75,000?
OZ: I believe it. You know at $75,000 once you`ve paid your taxes, you don`t have to worry a lot about specific things like food. You know a simple vacation. Making sure the kids have what they need to live life. You always want to have more than that if you can. That`s human nature. But $75,000, you don`t have a lot of pressing financial concerns. You can be happy.
BEHAR: Well in New York City, that`s not really enough.
OZ: No but that was data from across the nation.
BEHAR: Some parts. Seventy five thousand and after that, they say, your happiness level does not really go up?
OZ: Because you`re looking for the next challenge, and if you`re not happy with what`s going on inside of you at $75,000, you won`t be with $75 million either. We see that all the time.
BEHAR: Yes, that`s true.
OZ: You see people do wonderfully well. And the next year I`ll retire when I make the next million. Or the next 100,000 or next 10,000. And that day doesn`t come. If you`re not happy about the moment today, you`re not going to be happy. That stated if you don`t have enough money to put the kids you know, through school, if you can`t get food on the table --
BEHAR: Then that`s a problem.
OZ: Yes, that`s a separate level -- issue.
BEHAR: People need the basics. Feed your family, educate your children, have a house to live in that`s nice.
OZ: Yes be proud that you own a piece of the rock because you`re working for it. We had this free clinic last year, we took care of 2,000 people in Houston, Texas, which had the highest risk of being uninsured in the country. And what I learned at that event was that 90 percent of these people, roughly, had jobs. They were able to work. They weren`t making $75,000 though. And so now they felt like they didn`t belong. They were shamed into having to get free health care. So these are things you want to take off the plate. Once you`ve gotten that basic level of humanity or pride in your life, then you`re good to go.
BEHAR: OK we don`t have too much time left. So let me ask you something, this person I think is funny. What do you say to people who drink, smoke and live into their 90s? The French, for example, they smoke, they drink everything, they eat fatty foods, they eat cheese, they eat duck liver.
OZ: They`re lucky. And that`s OK. Listen, your genes load the gun. The environment pulls the trigger.
BEHAR: Uh huh.
OZ: And so if you`re smoking, you`re pulling the trigger. You may have gotten a blank.
BEHAR: Russian roulette.
OZ: Russian roulette. And you know what a lot of folks live to 90 and most of the people who did those things they`re not living 90, and they don`t look so great when they are 90, usually.
BEHAR: Well, they don`t, that`s true. I mean some of those French actresses, they could use a face-lift. How much time should I spend looking for my g-spot? These are questions for viewers.
OZ: We spend too much time looking for the g-spot. It exists. The male prostate moved to the front of the vagina and became the g-spot.
BEHAR: Stop it.
OZ: Yes.
BEHAR: Who told you that?
OZ: No it is true. Those female orgasms you know when there`s squirt, that`s seminal fluid, it has prostate antigen in it.
BEHAR: Oh wow.
OZ: Men like that part of their body stimulated too, by the way. You knew that right? So you know those are very sensitive places of your body. We spend too much time looking for it. Women have clitoral -
BEHAR: Orgasms.
OZ: Orgasms, yes, they vaginal orgasms, or they can have blended orgasms.
BEHAR: Right.
OZ: So you don`t have to spend your life looking for it. Enjoy life. That`s one of the biggest women make in 20s, 30s, 40s, and 50s.
BEHAR: Oh my god, I was about to form a search party during my 50s. Thanks so much for joining me Dr. Oz. It is always a pleasure to see you. I`m in love with you. Check your local listings to see when THE DR. OZ show airs in your neighborhood. Good night everybody.
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