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Interview with Dr. Phil McGraw
Aired September 30, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HOST: So Snooki is writing a novel. It`s called "A Shortening". It`s about a young girl who wanders the beach having a good time and getting busted for disorderly conduct. Where does she get her ideas?
You know they always say to write what you know so I`ve come up with some suggestions for Snooki`s next book. How is this? "Tequila Mockingbird". How about "Catch 22 STDs"? Then there is "Jane Eyrehead" and my personal favorite "Little Hos on the Prairie". So what do you think?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW a Rutgers freshman commits suicide after classmates allegedly posted video of him kissing another man. This is the latest in a string of suicides resulting from bullying. Dr. Phil stops by to tell us how we can stop this epidemic.
Then, "Dog the Bounty Hunter" talks about today`s biggest crime stories in the new season of his show.
And Hollywood legend Tony Curtis has died. Joy remembers Curtis and the influence he had on her own career.
That and more starting right now.
BEHAR: Tonight we start with an awful story about bullying and the Internet. Authorities in New York have confirmed they`ve found the remains of 18-year-old college freshman Tyler Clementi who killed himself last week after his roommate secretly taped his sexual encounter with another man and live streamed it over the Internet. Horrible.
But it brings up a lot of questions, most important being could it have been prevented? Here with me to talk about this is Dr. Phil McGraw, host of "Dr. Phil"; and Michael Feeney, a reporter for "The New York Daily News".
Michael, let me start with you. You have information. You`ve been on the Rutgers campus all day. How are the students responding to this tragedy?
MICHAEL FEENEY, REPORTER, "THE NEW YORK DAILY NEWS": Well, this morning I`ve been out with the students and they`re just in shock and disbelief. They can`t really believe it that one of their students killed himself in this way.
BEHAR: What can you tell us about the roommate? Dharum Ravi, I believe is the way you say it.
FEENEY: Yes. A lot of people are talking about the roommate and they`re saying he was a very outgoing student. He always played Frisbee on the yard. He was someone that was very talkative. And, I mean people are just in shock. They`re saying that he didn`t mean to do this. He didn`t mean to make a prank that turned out to be deadly. You know, they`re just in shock really.
BEHAR: I see. Now, Tyler wrote on his Facebook page, quote, "Jumping off the GW Bridge, sorry." Other than that were there any signs he was in trouble?
FEENEY: Well, actually we have a report that he posted on a gay message board that he had some problems with his roommate and that he was asking to get moved perhaps into a different room. He had sought out his resident adviser to try to really get a different roommate perhaps. So there had been some ideas and some signs that he had been unhappy. So, this isn`t the first time that someone had heard something.
BEHAR: I see.
FEENEY: We`re not sure exactly that message board was him or not.
BEHAR: But they`re speculating it might have been him writing that stuff, that he was unhappy with the roommate?
FEENEY: Right.
BEHAR: That`s interesting. Could Tyler`s roommate and the roommate`s friend, the girl who was involved, could they go to jail?
FEENEY: Yes. They could face up to five years in jail for this, so it`s a very serious crime. They were charged with invasion of privacy and it really -- it`s a really sad situation for everybody involved obviously.
BEHAR: Ok. Thanks very much, Michael.
Ok. Now I want to turn to Dr. Phil. They`re saying basically that there might have been a posting that this young man put saying that he was unhappy with his roommate. That was the additional piece of information if you couldn`t hear it.
Do you feel, Dr. Phil, that there is a rise in gay bullying because this is a gay thing, to me? The kid is having -- he`s not a kid -- he is having gay sex and were they getting an extra kick out of that fact?
DR. PHIL MCGRAW, HOST, "DR. PHIL": Well, I would certainly suspect so. And what we`ve seen with bullying in general and cyber bullying is that there is an over-targeting on certain groups and gays are among those groups and racial, ethnic groups. They are targeted even more. And when you get into the Internet, the problem with that is the bully doesn`t have to look the victim in the eye.
BEHAR: Right.
MCGRAW: They don`t have to deal with them one-on-one. They don`t see the repercussions of what they`re doing. I call them keyboard bullies. You know, they can just do this stuff with great anonymity. Eighty-five percent of the time, research tells us, there is no consequence to what they do whatsoever.
And in this case, you know, it`s as egregious as it is there is going to be a defense to this. It was the kid that had the web camera there, it was his room. It was his room that he turned the camera on in. I`m sure that`s going to be part of their defense.
BEHAR: But putting it out is really the part that`s horrifying.
MCGRAW: And that`s horrible. Who does that? I mean come on.
BEHAR: Yes. A lot of kids are doing stuff like that.
MCGRAW: He knew this kid. This was his roommate. Whether you like him or you don`t like him, who does that? Who takes somebody`s personal life and extrudes it for everyone to see knowing that it`s going to be judged and then brag about it on the Internet? There is something seriously wrong here.
BEHAR: Yes. I just wanted to go back to the first question though because nine out of 10 gay students say that they were harassed at school.
MCGRAW: Yes.
BEHAR: Nine out of ten.
MCGRAW: Right.
BEHAR: Then parents say a 13-year-old, Asher Brown -- this kid Asher Brown was bullied to death, killed himself. Another 13-year-old Seth Walsh hanged himself. I mean, there is something about the gay part of this that`s bothering me because a lot of times you`ll hear politicians, gay bashing, and so-called religious people, hypocritical religious people gay bashing and I think that that sort of thing has an effect on society as a whole.
MCGRAW: Well, there has to be a message in the societal fabric overall that this is ok or it wouldn`t be so prominent for people to pick on these folks. And I think it is egregious and, you know, here you have a young man that obviously was being discreet. I mean, he asked for permission to be in the room. He closes the door. He has an assumption of privacy here.
BEHAR: Right.
MCGRAW: So that meant he wanted to keep this part of his life private right now. And then somebody reaches in, grabs that, pulls it out, and puts it on the Internet. You can never un-ring that bell.
And that`s what had to be going through this young man`s mind when he takes his own life. It`s like, there is not anything I can ever do to pull this back.
BEHAR: That`s right.
MCGRAW: It`s out there. My family could have seen this. My parents would --
BEHAR: What if his parents didn`t even know the kid was gay?
MCGRAW: And so now it`s out there and he is saying there is no way I can ever un-ring this bell. I can`t undo this. So he feels like he has nowhere to turn. And I hate that.
BEHAR: That`s terrible. But you know, his parents were not around. He is in college obviously. They`re not there anymore.
I mean how can parents of college students make sure that their children are safe? Even high school kids. You don`t know what`s going on really. They don`t even tell you half the time.
MCGRAW: Well, of course. That`s the problem. You know, I remember many years back we had these commercials that would come on at 10:00, at least where I was living, and it would say, "It`s 10:00. Do you know where your children are?"
BEHAR: Oh, yes, I remember that.
MCGRAW: But you know we have to change that now. It`s 10:00 do you know where your children are in cyber space?
BEHAR: Yes.
MCGRAW: Because you may think they`re back in their room doing their home work or whatever but they could be on a chat room or a social networking site with somebody picking on them, bashing them, saying things to them.
BEHAR: Right.
MCGRAW: We don`t have that information. As parents we`re not nearly as computer literate as our children are. So we have to plug into that and dial into it and who -- this is hard to foresee for parents. Here you`ve got your child. They`re at school. They`re in college. Who can foresee that somebody is going to surreptitiously tape them or shoot them with a camera and put it out on the Internet? You don`t see that coming as a parent. How do you prepare for that?
BEHAR: No, you don`t. It`s very hard. What do you say to parents whose children are the bullies?
MCGRAW: That`s the problem. We`re not focusing enough on the parents of these kids that are doing this because what -- every one of these bullies have a parent and those parents need to know what those kids are doing. They need to know, let me see the chat rooms you`re in. Who are you talking to? What are you saying? To find out if they`re being bullied or if they`re crossing a line and bullying somebody. We have to know this.
BEHAR: Yes. Well, you know, most kids, when I was a kid I was bullied in the streets, not at school, not in my home. And I never even thought to tell my parents. It never occurred to me. And I think that that is a problem, too. These kids are not really communicating that they`re in trouble.
But the kids who are -- another question about the ones who do the bullying. Do you think these kids are bullied at home? And that`s why they become the bully? Because I see that a lot.
MCGRAW: You know, what we do know is that there is a high frequency of violence in the home of those who bully. If there`s emotional abuse in the home, verbal abuse, or physical abuse, those kids tend to model that when they get out into the world. So if you see a child bullying someone, violating their rights, hurting them in some way, it`s a valid question to ask what`s going on inside that home.
And it doesn`t have to do with socioeconomic standards. It can be at any level. It can be with any ethnicity but if it`s modeled in the home you`re more likely to see it when the child gets into the world.
BEHAR: Absolutely. So what should the teachers do in that case if they see that? They should bring in the bullying parents?
MCGRAW: Here is the problem that we`ve got. Look, teachers are the most dedicated people on the face of this earth. I mean, they don`t do this for the money. I mean come on. They make so little money and they work so hard. I see so many teachers that get their own money and put it into the classroom buying materials and stuff like that.
BEHAR: To buy books, yes.
MCGRAW: I mean they`re just devoted people.
But if we expect them to be involved in this, we have to train them to do that. We have to teach them -- we have to give them the skills. We have to put it into the curriculum. It has to be not just a hit and miss intervention thing. It`s got to become part of the curriculum.
And the Elementary and Secondary Education Act right now is -- is being talked about in Congress. I testified there in June, about including bullying and cyber-bullying language into that act so we can put the funds out to get -- to teach kids this isn`t ok.
We have a generation now that is growing up with a lack of empathy. They don`t have the ability to put themselves in someone else`s shoes and say, this is hurting someone. These kids don`t have the empathy they need to have. We`ve got to teach that. It`s got to be in the curriculum.
BEHAR: Well, I don`t know if you can teach it.
MCGRAW: Well, I don`t think you can necessarily teach empathy but you can certainly teach them what constitutes crossing the line and where the boundaries are being violated.
BEHAR: That`s right.
MCGRAW: And what to do instead.
BEHAR: Right. Ok, thanks very much.
Sit right where -- right where you are. We`re going to be right back with more from Dr. Phil. Ok.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up a little later on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, Snooki says she is writing her first novel, seriously.
Plus, Duane Chapman and his wife Beth drop by to talk about the new season of "Dog the Bounty Hunter."
Now back to Joy.
BEHAR: I`m back with Dr. Phil. You know, you have been talking about domestic violence. This is a cause that you are very passionate about.
So let`s look at a clip from one of your upcoming shows.
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MCGRAW: You said something that I found chilling. You said I`m not really afraid of dying anymore because if killing me protects my child, ok.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. I think it`s easier to put my mother and my children in hiding and let him find me this time because this time I believe we`ll both die and it`ll be all over.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: That is one of the saddest things I`ve ever seen on television.
MCGRAW: It was so chilling when she said that to me but, Joy, this woman has moved 17 times in the last few years. The allegation -- the man that did it is in jail right now facing charges. He hasn`t pled guilty. And he hasn`t been convicted.
BEHAR: Oh, he`s in jail, the abuser?
MCGRAW: He is in jail now. He apparently, according to her he came through the door, crashed in on her, took a butcher knife and cut her eye out.
BEHAR: Oh, my God.
MCGRAW: Now -- and so that eye is gone and because of the damage to the nerves she`s most likely to be totally blind by the time she`s 40, which is just a few years away. And this is someone that -- it started out with just being very controlling, then it became verbal abuse, emotional abuse.
BEHAR: Right.
MCGRAW: Isolation, control, and then when she actually broke away from him -- and this is what people need to understand -- 70 percent of the -- of the murders or serious injuries take place immediately after breaking away from your abuser. It`s called separation assault.
They get frustrated, they`re panicked that they don`t have control anymore --
BEHAR: They`re losing control, yes.
MCGRAW: -- and so they -- they and so they go after them in a very, very aggressive way. And this woman, she has moved 17 times. She`s changed her cell phone number 23 times. She`s changed her appearance --
BEHAR: He keeps finding her.
MCGRAW: He keeps finding her.
BEHAR: How does he find her?
MCGRAW: And well, you know, it`s in this day and time you use a credit card. You get on a social networking site. You get a job. You get utilities in a community where you have to go and put down your deposits for electricity. It`s -- it`s very do-able to find somebody.
And now she is getting text messages. She believes they are from him. Again, these are all allegations because he hasn`t been convicted yet. He has been convicted of assault with a weapon for the attack on her here but she is getting text messages from she believes from him saying, "Don`t worry about losing your eye because you`re going to lose your life. I`m getting out in two weeks. I will find you. This will be over."
BEHAR: And the authorities cannot protect this woman.
MCGRAW: Well, we`re -- we`re helping her now.
BEHAR: Isn`t there some kind of underground thing going on where she can disappear?
MCGRAW: Well, and that`s what she`s up -- that`s what she`s up against right now. You can get a restraining order. That`s a piece of paper.
And so now she is saying, look. The only thing I can do is go on the run and she is saying he`s going to find me. They have a child and so he has parental rights to the child so then you`ve got the family courts involved.
That`s why she said in the most chilling way --
BEHAR: Why does she have to --
MCGRAW: -- I think I will just tell him where I am and let him come kill me. Then maybe my child will live.
BEHAR: She is desperate.
MCGRAW: She is desperate.
BEHAR: Well, but -- but her child will be in his care then if she does that so that`s not a plan at all.
MCGRAW: That`s exactly what I said to her. You didn`t see it on the clip. That`s why I said to her --
BEHAR: Yes.
MCGRAW: -- you don`t deprive this -- this child of his mother. I mean, you can`t do that.
BEHAR: No.
MCGRAW: You can`t give up.
BEHAR: No, that`s a mistake.
But I mean, oh my God. You mean the courts would give him parental rights --
MCGRAW: Yes.
BEHAR: -- that after he blinded the child`s mother?
MCGRAW: Well, certainly right now he has parental rights. What you have to do now is go in and litigate. You have to say he`s got a felony conviction here. And so we have launched a campaign that I`m calling "End the Silence on Domestic Violence". And the reason I -- I`ve chosen that title --
BEHAR: Yes.
MCGRAW: -- is because I -- we`ve -- this is under reported. We`ve got to start talking about this. We`ve got to educate people about this. It is the most under-reported phenomenon in American society. People don`t talk about it because they don`t know what to say.
BEHAR: And -- and if you talk to a woman who could be in an abusive relationship it`s like you can talk until you are blue in the face. If he verbally abuses you it will escalate so get out now --
MCGRAW: Well --
BEHAR: -- but a lot of women they -- somehow they are under the control already and won`t do it.
MCGRAW: Well, that`s the problem. And they are -- and they are afraid then that they`ll go after the family. If she disappears they`re going to go -- they`re going to go victimize my family.
BEHAR: Is there any sign that you can point to like on the date -- on the first date?
MCGRAW: Well --
BEHAR: Is there something you can see right away or are they so slippery that they fool you?
MCGRAW: Oftentimes these guys can be very charming and what looks like love and caring --
BEHAR: Yes.
MCGRAW: -- and attention in the beginning then begins to devolve into control and isolation.
But do not think for one second that because you have not been hit, you have not been physically aggressed against that you are not being abused if somebody is controlling you, name-calling, demeaning you. Those are gateway behaviors to this kind of thing and they can lead to this.
So, I mean -- and these women, so many that we`ve had on the show were hit for the first time when it got really, really bad. It never happened before so I never saw this coming. The next thing I know he douses me with gas and sets me on fire. He takes a butcher knife and carves my eye out, he -- he shoots me, he stabs me in the front yard 15 times. They just snap and go.
So you have to -- but you know, you say they just need to get out and leave, that is the most dangerous time at all.
BEHAR: Right.
MCGRAW: So you have to have safety and security, number one.
BEHAR: Ok. Stay right there. Dr. Phil will be back in a minute with some more.
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BEHAR: I`m back with Dr. Phil. Now you`re also jumping on the "Housewives" franchise in a way and -- but doing your own type of "Housewives" special. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t like the way that she said you just stay in bed all day. She likes to say that about me.
MCGRAW: Isn`t the number one thing that you hate most about your life right now that you lay in bed a vast majority of the time?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
MCGRAW: How can we not have enough insight to understand that the reason that what she said hurts so bad is because you agree with it?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: Well, that`s an interesting point you make there. But that woman, she is in bed 23 out of 24 hours?
MCGRAW: Twenty-three hours a day. I bet you haven`t slept 23 hours this week.
BEHAR: I haven`t. You`re right about that. But I mean how many years has she been --
MCGRAW: Seven years. I mean --
BEHAR: How do you have one hour a day to get dressed and fix your hair, have breakfast?
MCGRAW: Well, you know, that`s the thing.
BEHAR: Who brings her food in bed?
MCGRAW: And clearly she has a housekeeper. She is very affluent. She has help. So people bring her things and she`ll lay in bed and yell for them to bring her things.
Obviously your life is passing you by. She has children. She needs to get up and deal with the children.
BEHAR: Either that or do a commercial for Sealy Posturepedic.
MCGRAW: One of the two. But -- you know, our whole idea here, we`ve been dealing --
BEHAR: Wait a minute. Is she depressed this woman, severely?
MCGRAW: I think there is a certain element of depression that`s going on here. I think there are hormonal issues here, everything is just kind of spinning out of control.
And our whole idea, you know, we`ve been doing "Housewives" since before "Housewives" were cool.
BEHAR: I know. Well, also you`re a shrink, you`re sitting there. It`s different.
MCGRAW: Right. And what we`re doing here and we`re doing this every Tuesday. I`ve got six women that represent a cross section of society and, you know I have 300 people on my staff at the Dr. Phil show, most of them women. They have come to me now in our ninth year and said, Dr. Phil, this is the most compelling series we have ever done.
BEHAR: I was watching the clip. I was into it. I want to see the whole thing.
There was another woman that was interesting. She had gastric bypass.
MCGRAW: Right. Alana.
BEHAR: Alana, is that her name?
She was slightly hostile to the other girls I thought.
MCGRAW: Yes.
BEHAR: And -- well, more than slightly.
MCGRAW: She can get slightly hostile, yes.
BEHAR: She says she is judgmental herself and they didn`t like her. But then when you pointed out that to look at her pictures when she was really humongously large she started crying. Why did she start crying at that point?
MCGRAW: She was 320 pounds growing up as a teenager and, you know, the abuse that she took, the name calling, the ridicule, the exclusion.
BEHAR: Yes.
MCGRAW: The being left out hurt her very deeply. So she finally got control, lost the weight, got her self esteem, got her self-worth, got her body image and position and now it`s like I`m going to get you before you get me. I will never be hurt again. So I`m going to go on the attack instead of let somebody come after me.
You know, the pendulum has swung way, way, way, way too far.
BEHAR: Right.
MCGRAW: But she is adamantly in that position and so we`re going to have to really do some work with her.
BEHAR: She needs to work that through.
MCGRAW: Yes.
BEHAR: Because no one else will be around her. She may look good but nobody feels good around her.
MCGRAW: That`s right. And these are amazing women. All six of them have such layered stories and such courage and depth. Some are single mothers. This is -- I am so intrigued.
This is one of those things that I can`t wait to have my next meeting with them.
BEHAR: You know as long as there are crazy people you will always have a game.
Dr. Phil, thanks so much for coming on my show.
BEHAR: Joy, thank you.
MCGRAW: You almost made it without saying that. You almost made it.
BEHAR: Well, our topics were serious.
Up next, Snooki is writing a novel. Good for her. I`ve always wanted to read a novel about Valtrex.
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ANNOUNCER: Coming up later on the JOY BEHAR SHOW New York gubernatorial hopeful Carl Paladino threatens to take out a reporter. And Duane Chapman and his wife Beth stop by to talk about the new season of "DOG THE BOUNTY HUNTER." Now back to Joy.
BEHAR: Believe it or not Snooki from JERSEY SHORE is writing a book, it`s a novel called "The Sure Thing" and they have a great promotional plan. The paperback comes with a bottle of vodka and bail bond. With me to discuss this and more are Mick Foley, former professional wrestler and author of "Countdown To Lockdown" a hard core journal and Rachel Sklar, editor-at-large for mediaite.com and Andy Cohen host of Bravo`s "WATCH WHAT HAPPENED: LIVE." OK let me start with Andy for a second because you know Andy do you think she is writing this book? Because in the quote it says she is working on it for some time. Not writing it for some time.
ANDY COHEN, HOST "WATCH WHAT HAPPENED: LIVE": Right. She is working on it. Maybe she is talking through plot points with someone.
BEHAR: You think?
COHEN: She can barely compose a tweet. So how is she going to do a full length novel is my wonderment.
BEHAR: Exactly. Also she says she has only read two novels in her whole life. "Dear John," and "Twilight."
RACHEL SKLAR, EDITRO-AT-LARGE, MEDIAITE.COM: Well "Twilight" is pretty long. There`s a lot to it, a lot of characters. So she`ll be able to figure out grand themes from there. I actually look Snooki`s twitter feed, I have Archie though on occasion.
BEHAR: Yes, her twitter, I`ll tell you her twitter. Tell me what you think of that. I try and turn my head and I can`t. I look like a raptor. OK? Get off of me and keep sipping on that hater-aid. Pickles is my thing. OK. OK the GED is out.
COHEN: why isn`t she writing? You know what I think would be interesting? The Snooki autobiography. I mean, that, I love a good --
SKLAR: I think that might be what we`re going to get.
MICK FOLEY, PROFESSIONAL WRESTLER: It might. I love a good/bad autobiography.
SKLAR: Sounds to me like those tweets are plagiarizing up dike.
BEHAR: I think you might be right. She`s plagiarizing.
SKLAR: She might be like a hidden talent. Like I was thinking before that Snooki might be some Ph.D student doing a study on celebrity because it`s just so ridiculous.
BEHAR: Right.
FOLEY: Did I tell you the benefit she has in only having read two novels?
BEHAR: Yes.
FOLEY: I`ve done some writing including a couple novels and characters I thought were completely original in retrospect may have been influenced by things I read like the naked father I thought was completely original in one of my books, turns out John Irving had a naked father in "The Widow."
BEHAR: Big deal. Anybody could write about a naked father. It`s not plagiarism.
FOLEY: But it may have been influenced. So people could read that and go well I`ve seen a naked father.
COHEN: So you mean her book is going to be so totally original it`s going to be blow away.
FOLEY: It`s going to be just an original piece of America.
BEHAR: Well, a lot of people will buy it because the poll found out that 60 percent of people would read her book if it`s like her show. Why do they like her show?
SKLAR: People love it.
BEHAR: Does it make them feel smarter?
SKLAR: I don`t watch it. But at this point you know you have to be aware of the phenomenon and I just am constantly stunned at how people will run to the TV, appointment viewing, to watch "JERSEY SHORE."
COHEN: It`s raw.
BEHAR: It`s funny 5 million viewers.
FOLEY: I`ve never watched it.
COHEN: It`s raw. It`s funny. Yes, you can watch it and say this is a train wreck that has nothing to do with me and this is a whole way of life and they have their own language, living in their own universe. So it`s far removed.
BEHAR: But someone said the other day and I forget where I heard this but one of the movies, document risk, they said we need reality shows because it gives us a frame of reference to talk about our own lives. I thought that was very interesting point.
COHEN: Well, as an executive producer of everything on Bravo I will say specifically with the housewives shows part of the reason they are so successful, beyond the fact that I think people relate to some of these people and just have fun watching them is that it`s guilt free gossip. It`s like we all could sit around kind of gossiping about these people`s lives but it doesn`t affect us yet we feel involvement. We feel we have a stake in it. And it`s just fun.
BEHAR: And you can say, I don`t act like that. She`s a bitch but I`m not like that.
COHEN: Yes it`s just fun.
SKLAR: I know puts it in context. However crazy your life is or friends are these people are much crazier.
COHEN: It`s also, you cannot write it. Truth is stranger than fiction and will always shock you. It shocks me with every episode.
BEHAR: That`s a good point.
FOLEY: The background scene of Dee Schneider`s grandson`s christening.
BEHAR: Is that your claim to fame? Is that it?
FOLEY: Yes. No and I did a pilot for A&E and it was rejected because there is not enough conflict in our family.
BEHAR: Oh is that so, I`m sorry, should I be sorry?
FOLEY: No, it`s OK. It was a great experience, fun to have cameras storming the house. But you know maybe it`s a good thing.
BEHAR: You know this next story, I think you can relate to being a wrestler because controversial candidate for New York, Carl Paladino got into a heated exchange with a veteran reporter and it almost came to blows, take a look.
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CARL PALADINO: You`re his stalking horse. You`re his bird dog.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s the evidence? You send another goon to my daughter`s house and I`ll take you out buddy.
DICKER: You would take me out?
PALADINO: Yes.
DICKER: How are you going to do that?
PALADINO: Watch.
DICKER: What are you threatening me?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: Do you think he was threatening the guy?
FOLEY: Yes.
BEHAR: Or not?
FOLEY: I can understand. I`m somewhat sensitive when it comes to the subject of all my illegitimate children.
BEHAR: All though I think he was -- look, just to be fair I think that he was saying don`t go near my kid. And every parent can relate to that which is fair.
FOLEY: Which is fair.
SKLAR: But he has also said a lot of other things.
BEHAR: But this is the only thing I`ll back him up on.
SKLAR: OK.
BEHAR: And everything else is a nightmare.
FOLEY: So this was the "New York Post" reporter? If the can`t get along with Republican candidate can`t get along with the "New York Post," -
COHEN: Right.
FOLEY: I don`t think -
BEHAR: There is no hope for the world.
COHEN: You know what I love about it "The New York Post" today had a whole report about the incident and then a big report about all the kind of nutty things that Paladino said. And in this article about all of the nutty things Paladino said they referred to him as a maverick. I`m like, OK. This is great.
BEHAR: No, no.
COHEN: Yes. Yes.
BEHAR: Megan McCain is a maverick.
COHEN: Right.
BEHAR: This is not behavior becoming a governor of the great state of New York. I`m sorry. This is ridiculous. But how low can these candidates go now? He is sending obscene e-mails along to the next jerk that he sends them to, you know, he says racist stuff. He`s terrible.
COHEN: And he`s now accused Cuomo of having affairs.
BEHAR: Well all is fair in politics. I don`t blame him for that. Go back and forth on that one.
SKLAR: The governorship of New York has had its share recently of interesting behavior.
FOLEY: Can we just agree this gubernatorial thing is not working out for our state?
BEHAR: I don`t want him --
FOLEY: Isn`t there some other way of governing?
BEHAR: I don`t want him as my governor. I`ll tell you right now. Another one, finally a massive brawl broke out between coaches and parents in the middle of a peewee football game in Texas. And now both teams are banned from postseason play. Watch this. There they go. Look at this. Just watch it. You can talk over it. You see? They`re fighting with each other. The coaches and the parents got into a huge brawl. And the kids are not going to be able to play now. Is that fair really to punish the kids for the parents and the coach and the adult behavior?
FOLEY: Perhaps not but I can tell you as a father of four who`s been to way too many dodge ball parties, that -
BEHAR: Are they all legitimate, all four?
FOLEY: Yes, yes.
BEHAR: OK. Just asking.
FOLEY: These are the four I know about, Joy. And on three different occasions I have almost come to blows with parents who appeared to be a little over zealous with the way they were throwing the dodge ball at kids. Because I`m a wrestler. We are meant to, you know, we purposely go out of our way to make other people look good.
BEHAR: It`s theater, wrestling.
FOLEY: Yes. I`m getting hit by kids oh, you got me. You got me. I`m looking around and I see parents throwing as hard as they can and whizzing as far back as they can to avoid getting hit. There have been injuries.
BEHAR: So should parent be banned from kids` games? I`m not sure -- that is a great idea frankly. Keep them of the sports.
SKLAR: That really isn`t fair to the kids but this is where the kids learn behavior that will make them grow up into little Paladinos.
BEHAR: Little Paladinos. I got to go. Thanks very much. Up next my favorite long haired bounty hunter from Hawaii, "Dog" the bounty hunter joins me.
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BEHAR: He`s been called the world`s most famous bounty hunter, tracking down bad guys from Hawaii to Colorado. Over the camera intel.
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DUANE "DOG" CHAPMAN, THE BOUNTY HUNTER: Got a warrant for your arrest! Open up.
BETH CHAMPAN: Come on lie down, lie down.
D. CHAPMAN: What`s your name? What`s your name?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mark.
D. CHAPMAN: Get outside. Keep your hands in the air.
B. CHAPMAN: I got her. Get up, Wendy. Right now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you (EXPLICATIVE DELETED) her --
D. CHAPMAN: Shut up.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She better not be hurt.
B. CHAPMAN: You know Wendy I`m not going to cuff you. I know you`re pregnant. So relax.
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BEHAR: Here to talk about the seventh season of A&E`s "DOG THE BOUNTY HUNTER" premiering on October sixth two of my favorite guests, Duane "Dog" Chapman and his lovely wife Beth. Hi guys how you doing, guys?
D. CHAPMAN: Fine. How are you?
B. CHAPMAN: Happy birthday.
BEHAR: OK.
D. CHAPMAN: Yes, happy birthday on your show.
BEHAR: Oh that`s next, next week is my birthday. But we did celebrate one year. Yesterday was one year on the air. And you guys have been regulars on the show so it`s great to see you again.
B. CHAPMAN: Yes, thank you.
BEHAR: So let`s talk about a case that`s in the news. The petit murders in Connecticut, these two men accused of killing a mother and her two daughters in such a horrific way that it`s almost hard to believe. Have you ever seen such a gruesome case?
D. CHAPMAN: Beth, go ahead.
B. CHAPMAN: No, I haven`t. It was so gruesome and it`s painful to read and painful to hear about. It`s terrible.
BEHAR: It`s just the details are hair raising. And these two accused murderers actually met at a halfway house between prison stints. One has an arrest record dating back to 1980. Let me ask you something, Dog. Does this tell us something about our reform system that these guys were on the loose?
D. CHAPMAN: Well, absolutely. But I mean, you can`t blame the cops I think made a mistake. The lady at the bank when she went in and said I`m being robbed didn`t call the cops. A lot of mistakes were made. But let`s blame it on the criminals. I mean, sometimes, Joy, when they go into prison, you know, they`re petty thieves but you hang around these guys that are professional criminals and it`s like going to college for felonies. And you come out of there and you`re a completely different person. So --
B. CHAPMAN: Yes. Because what you hang out with you become. So, you know, it`s always been sort of a gray area in these halfway houses. You know if you spend a small amount of time in the halfway house you can pretty much get out of there without friends, friends that you would get at the halfway house. Most of the time people in halfway houses find more drug dealers that they can buy drugs from, more resources they can fence drugs from, they find more people that can make I.D`s better than they did.
You know our criminal justice system right now is seriously broke. We have a proposition in Colorado going through right now, proposition 102 that basically stops taxpayers` money from allowing these people to be free on bond by the court. That means nobody is watching them. Dog`s not chasing them. Nobody is chasing them. We`re just letting them out for free. So you know we`re trying to stop that because those guys are getting out on free bonds and are going out and committing more crimes and crimes just like this to these families. You know?
BEHAR: Yes.
B. CHAPMAN: And I just don`t know when we`re going to get it as a society that we put jails there for a reason.
BEHAR: Uh huh, let`s talk about the death penalty then. Is it justified in this case?
D. CHAPMAN: I`m glad you said that.
B. CHAPMAN: Absolutely.
D. CHAPMAN: Any time, you know, biblically I think we can speak, when the bible talks about when you take a human`s life, that your life should be taken. So this, you know, here is -- everybody else in the halfway house and criminals across America along with people that are not criminals are watching this, too. Now, are you going to let these guys do, you know, life in prison which is what, 20 some years, pay $185 a day to keep these guys alive or are you going to put these guys to death? These guys raped little girls, killed them, raped, I mean, this guy -- this is over. You let Manson live and look what happened. Charlie Manson is still alive in his 70s, 80s, coming up all the time for parole.
B. CHAPMAN: We`re still paying for it.
D. CHAPMAN: We`re still paying for it. So if they see, Joy, that the crime, you know, the time doesn`t fit the crime they can go -- what if the cops wouldn`t have got in an accident? These guys would have been free and running.
B. CHAPMAN: They would have been gone -
D. CHAPMAN: They would have been gone.
B. CHAPMAN: And doing this to other families and, yes, they should get the death penalty absolutely. You rape an 11-year-old child like that and tie her to a bed? It is appalling, inexcusable, it`s immoral, unethical, it`s inhumane.
BEHAR: Yes.
B. CHAPMAN: You deserve the exact same punishment. I am so sorry to say this on your show, but --
BEHAR: That`s all right. I used to believe, I was against capital punishment for a long time but that was before we had DNA evidence. Now that we know the person is actually really guilty.
D. CHAPMAN: Right.
BEHAR: And not sending to the electric chair whatever it is they do these days, lethal injections, the wrong guy, I say, get rid of them. We don`t need them on this planet these people. They just are terrible. We`re losing guys in Afghanistan. We lost so many in Iraq.
D. CHAPMAN: Right.
BEHAR: I mean, and these idiots are in jail for the rest of their lives. You know something, Dog? They like it better to be in jail and that`s why I think they should get the death penalty because they don`t want to die. They don`t want to die.
B. CHAPMAN: They can function in jail better. It`s where they`ve been raised and they know how to function and it works for them. But out in the free world it doesn`t work for them.
D. CHAPMAN: And Joy do you remember a couple years ago I won`t mention names but there was an alleged criminal that shot a police officer that had done 25 or 30 years on a life sentence waiting for the death penalty. You know that guy literally forgot what he did? You know that celebrities got together -
BEHAR: God.
D. CHAPMAN: No, celebrities got together and said, spare this guy`s life, president bush. He`s sorry. 30 years ago. He doesn`t remember. So there is something in the justice system about swift justice means justice. You know?
BEHAR: Yes.
D. CHAPMAN: Let`s get this over with, give him the death penalty. These guys will quit doing this stuff.
BEHAR: That`s right. They`ve never proven that it`s a deterrent, the death penalty. That`s something that was always in the hopper in the conversation. You know, so as a deterrent I`m not sure that it works. But as just strictly punishment, and financial reasons, then I`m for it. OK. Let`s move on to your show, which is going into its seventh season. Beth, what are we going to see in this season?
B. CHAPMAN: Well, this season we have a little baby, another one. And also in this season we see a lot more action. We see a lot of characters that you won`t have seen before.
BEHAR: What do you mean you have a little baby?
B. CHAPMAN: What do you mean we have another baby. Another Chapman baby was born to the show. So you`ll have to wait and see whose it is.
BEHAR: Oh, you dog.
B. CHAPMAN: Yes. Are you kidding me? I just got my body back. You must be joking.
D. CHAPMAN: Amy is one of my siblings.
BEHAR: OK. Don`t tell. You don`t want to give everything away.
B. CHAPMAN: Stop it. No.
BEHAR: Go ahead.
B. CHAPMAN: But we have quite a few, a magnificent book tour we covered this year. We`re also going to run some behind-the-scenes which I know all of our fans are dying to see what actually goes on out there when a little bit of blunder and bloopage (ph) goes on. So we have an enormous --
BEHAR: Go ahead.
B. CHAPMAN: Go ahead, we have a lot of action, a lot of Leland so we`re just staying right at it. We are doing a lot of sweeps. We`re going into towns that we don`t normally go into and, you know, we`re just cleaning them up as fast as we can in this season.
BEHAR: So are you looking forward to it?
B. CHAPMAN: Yes.
BEHAR: Indeed.
B. CHAPMAN: I can`t wait for you to see it.
BEHAR: OK. We`ll be back with Dog and Beth after a quick break.
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D. CHAPMAN: Hands behind your back. Hurry up. Lock him down. Go. Go.
I got his neck. You got him?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please stop. Do not yell at me anymore. He is not going to run. I am begging you all, please. Can I please kiss him?
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BEHAR: Oh that is so romantic. She wants to kiss him.
D. CHAPMAN: Yes.
BEHAR: I`m back with Dog and Beth Chapman, the stars of "DOG THE BOUNTY HUNTER." I mean you know, she has to kiss him before he leaves.
D. CHAPMAN: What she tried to do is spin a Percocet in his mouth by the way when Beth checked.
BEHAR: Is that so? Oh boy.
B. CHAPMAN: Even more so romantic.
BEHAR: You know, what Chris Rock always said, crack head go with crack head.
D. CHAPMAN: Yes.
B. CHAPMAN: That`s right.
BEHAR: So what type of fugitive scares you, Dog? Is there any kind that really gets to you and you say I don`t want to go there?
D. CHAPMAN: Traffic offenders I don`t want to go there. I mean, more violent the crime, you know, crimes against women and children you feel like you`re like in the service or in the, you know, the marines and if you die in the, you know, sticking up for your country that you`re automatically going to heaven. So when you`re chasing a guy like that or a woman or baby, You know physically, sexually, beat them down and you think, you know, if I should die on this, you know, god please let me in because I`m doing a good thing. So those kind of hunts or those people that you`re after, just like these two guys right here, you know, I wouldn`t think one thing of going after these guys even without a gun just skin on skin because your indignation is so stirred up and I think that`s what kind of makes you brave.
BEHAR: That`s interesting. So but the other thing is you`re not exactly anonymous anymore. You`re on my show a lot. You have your own show. So don`t they see you coming?
D. CHAPMAN: Well, they kind of do. But we`re getting -- in order to find people they have to leave clues and/or have told a friend. So the reputation is, when "Dog" says I will pay you to find this guy, does he pay? Yes, he does. Can you trust "Dog" and Beth? Yes, you can. So our reputation stands out more than our appearance. Because they know when we, you know, that this "Dog" can hunt. But when we pull up, our family, we`re going to catch the guy.
B CHAPMAN: What they also know is we`re not going to leave. We`re not going to leave or get off them or go away. We`re not going to go get on another case, fly them to Hawaii.
BEHAR: That`s why they call him dog. He is a dog with a bone.
B. CHAPMAN: That`s right. Until we get, find that bone we`re not going nowhere.
BEHAR: OK.
B. CHAPMAN: So I think that lends, you know, credibility to us because our relentless, ruthlessness tells people.
BEHAR: Yes.
B. CHAPMAN: That if we`re knocking at your door we`re going to be there until you give him up.
BEHAR: Well keep going after those bad guys. And it is so nice to see you again. Good luck with the baby whoever the baby belongs to.
D. CHAPMAN: Nice to see you again. Thank you.
BEHAR: Good luck with the baby.
B. CHAPMAN: Thank you.
D. CHAPMAN: Thank you.
B. CHAPMAN: Bye-bye.
BEHAR: Thank you very much. Before we go I want to say a word about Tony Curtis who died yesterday at age 85. He was part of the terrific ensemble cast that made the funniest movie of all time "Some Like It Hot." rest in peace, Tony. Good night, everybody.
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