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Love, Lust & Jenny McCarthy; Hero Rescues Abducted Girl; Trump for Prez?; Veep Swap?; Illegal Hypocrisy?
Aired October 06, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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ANNOUNCER: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, an 8-year-old girl is rescued from her abductor. With the suspect in custody, Joy talks to the brave man who may have saved the girl`s life.
Then the Donald could be eyeing a 2012 presidential run. So could America have another Ross Perot on its hands? And should President Obama be worried?
Plus, the sassy and sexy Jenny McCarthy shares her tips on love and sex.
That and more starting right now.
JOY BEHAR, HLN HOST: We`re starting with a great story tonight. Two California parents have a lot to be thankful for after being reunited with their daughter who was snatched from their front yard Monday night. The actions of one brave man, a Good Samaritan probably saved the little girl`s life.
Joining me now is that hero, Victor Perez. Welcome to the show Victor. It`s so nice to have you here. I mean it. I`m so touched by what you did.
VICTOR PEREZ, RESCUED ABDUCTED GIRL: Thank you.
BEHAR: And people are calling you a hero today. Do you feel like a hero?
PEREZ: I`m starting to get the feeling of how much people are grateful for but no, a hero, definitely not. Acting -- just acting in the community, you know, trying to help out. That`s what I was trying to do.
BEHAR: A lot of times when people are actual heroes, they always say the same thing. I just did what I had to do, you know. It`s always very touching to hear that.
PEREZ: Yes. If I would have known -- I would have done no different. But I just took action and I had the opportunity to do it.
BEHAR: Let`s go through -- the young girl, the little girl, she was 8 years old, she abducted Monday. You saw the truck the people were looking for because you had heard or seen an amber alert the night before, right?
PEREZ: Yes.
BEHAR: This is the day after. You`re out on the street. What happens? Tell me.
PEREZ: Actually, I`m at home early in the morning and I see the news. And I happened to see the footage of the truck driving in the street. Soon after that, I stepped outside my house and not even ten seconds later, I see this truck driving down the street, making a U-turn.
BEHAR: And you remembered -- you remembered it, which is incredible, right there.
PEREZ: Yes. I remember from the video I saw. All I could see on the video was a black and white pickup. No colors. When I saw that pickup making a U-turn, it fit the description the truck I`d seen on TV.
BEHAR: So the moment that you saw the truck, why did you act at that point? Why not just call 911? You actually went after the truck. So tell me what your thinking was.
PEREZ: Because the night prior to that, when the girl got picked up, I had heard on the news that the parents of the little girl tried to go after the guy and some other people tried to help out and go after him but he was too fast. He had gone away.
So I hear all this. Knowing how this guy was acting, he was on top of his game for a minute. And I said, if I call 911, he`s going to get away by the time I get on the line. Maybe I`ll give him a direction and he`ll go another way. So I decided to jump in my truck and go after him myself. When I did that, I yelled at my cousin to dial 911.
BEHAR: Ok. So your cousin dialed 911 and you went after the guy. Were you scared to do it at all? Did you feel any fear?
PEREZ: No, no, not at all, no. Growing up in Fresno showed me that you`ve just got to learn how to be around your surroundings. Really, I wasn`t scared of the guy because I didn`t know it was him to begin with. I just wanted to go check the truck out, check the guy out. Because he didn`t -- I couldn`t see the passenger at the time.
No, the first time I --
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BEHAR: so how did you -- tell me about -- ok, go ahead, sorry.
PEREZ: No. The first time I talked to the guy, no, he seemed like a friendly guy.
BEHAR: Really?
PEREZ: There was no fear.
BEHAR: Then you saw the little girl`s head pop up. Then you knew she was in the car. Then what did you do? Did you say to the perpetrator -- did you say, I know you have this child in the car?
PEREZ: I remember telling him, like, that`s not your daughter. That`s not your little girl.
BEHAR: What did he say?
PEREZ: He didn`t respond. I cut him -- that was the second time I cut him off. I kept cutting him off to get his attention. He got mad the second time. He got pretty aggravated. That`s when the little girl popped her head out.
I don`t think I was scared after that of him. When he got mad at me the first time, he got real loud at me. I was like, whoa, maybe this is not the guy. I was already --
BEHAR: Anyway, the girl is safe and sound because she escaped thanks to you. And the abductor has been apprehended by the police. There he is.
And stay right where you are, Victor, because I want to bring in a panel to talk about why some people take action like you did and others do not.
Joining me now are Dr. Janet Taylor, psychiatrist; and Father Edward Beck, religion correspondent for ABC News and author of "Soul Provider". Welcome.
Janet, let me start with you. Is there a certain type of person who would do this and a certain type of person who would not do it?
DR. JANET TAYLOR, PSYCHIATRIST: Well, I mean the type of person is Victor as you described. It`s an everyday experience. He saw the opportunity; he saw the challenge and said he just felt like he could do it. And I think it shows the potential for that hero in all of us. And so -- most of us have that potential but the ones who don`t are the ones that listen to the voice in their head and say, I can`t do it, somebody else will do it and they don`t take action. It`s all about action and opportunity and finding that goodness in your heart.
BEHAR: Well, Victor has that goodness and he acted to save that girl.
Then we have the other end of the spectrum where people do nothing. Take a look at this surveillance video from a hit and run in Hartford, Connecticut in 2008. The man has just been hit, ok, and the cars just right past him. It takes almost a minute before someone comes to help.
Do we lack empathy as a society, Father? Have we lost our way?
FATHER EDWARD BECK, RELIGION CORRESPONDENT, ABC NEWS: I don`t know. I mean that video is very discouraging to me because -- and that is the story of the "Good Samaritan". If the guy is in the ditch and he has been beat up, we`re told that the priest passes by, the Levite passes by, and the Samaritan, the least expected one, picks the guy up. This is the moral lesson for us -- you cannot pass by.
And here, cars go by -- it`s kind of a group think. I think you think, maybe they pass by, they must know something I don`t and it`s really bad. I think in some way, you have to see yourself as the other.
BEHAR: That`s a good point. They think, oh well, they must have called it in.
BECK: Or he`s drunk or somebody else will call.
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BECK: Or maybe afraid, too. Don`t you think people are afraid?
BEHAR: People are afraid. People are afraid. You know I have to tell you one thing someone told me once. That during the holocaust in Europe, there were families that did save the Jews. To a man and woman, everyone who saved the Jews had never been abused as children, never because they were not afraid of -- they were now scared. So they took the Jews in and took care of them and saved them.
BECK: The other thing is we have a very litigious society. People think they`re going to get somehow penalized. That`s why we have Good Samaritan laws. You cannot penalize somebody who helps.
TAYLOR: But there`s also this bystander effect where every car that passed by have justified their ability to keep going and keep going --
BECK: Right.
TAYLOR: But your question about a lack of empathy in the society -- yes, we have. We`re disconnected from each other. We can`t read each other feelings. We`re all wired and we don`t pay attention to how we feel, much less how someone else feels.
BEHAR: That`s true.
BECK: That`s where I would say religion and spirituality help one to have that moral rudder. And others would say no. Humanitarians have the same thing. You don`t need religion to have that. But it helps me.
BEHAR: You know, A few years ago in New York, we had the subway Samaritan. I don`t know if you remember this. He saw a guy fall into the subway tracks and jumped down and laid on top of the guy as the subway passed over them.
Victor, both you and this subway Samaritan put someone else`s life ahead of your own. Why?
PEREZ: I just felt that I needed to help someone that was really innocent and couldn`t help herself, really. She really needed somebody else to help her. She`s not going to do that on her own.
BEHAR: What do you do for a living, Victor?
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BEHAR: Victor, what do you do for a living?
PEREZ: Construction worker.
BEHAR: Are you working? Do you have a job?
PEREZ: Yes, right now, actually I`m working in the fields, picking grapes here in Fresno County.
BEHAR: Not easy, not easy work. This is a man -- I would hire him if I had a company in Fresno.
BECK: Yes.
TAYLOR: Definitely.
BEHAR: Because this man is honest to a fault, is fearless, will do the job. You know, it breaks my heart when I hear that someone like that is not doing maybe as well as he could.
BECK: Right. And this is someone you know you can trust and is going to be there for you when you`re in need.
BEHAR: It`s more important to be able to trust somebody than anything else when you`re working with people especially in the construction job.
BECK: That`s true.
BEHAR: It`s difficult work.
TAYLOR: Can I say something? He`s a true hero. He`s brave, he`s honest, he`s compassionate and he took action. But again, that`s what we all have -- that capacity.
BEHAR: And he`s modest. He is, he`s modest.
TAYLOR: He didn`t do it for a reward. He did it because it was the right thing to do.
BECK: Would you have jumped on that railroad track? I think of that and I think, you know I`m a priest and I like to help people, but I don`t know if I could jump on that track.
BEHAR: Victor, would you have done that one? I bet Victor would have done it?
PEREZ: That sounds scary to me.
BEHAR: You wouldn`t have done that one?
BECK: You would have, Victor?
PEREZ: No, I said it sounds pretty scary. But being in that situation, you never know. If you`ve got a second to think about it, sometimes a second takes too long.
BEHAR: Well, I mean there was another incident that I could bring up; earlier this year in New York where a homeless Good Samaritan was stabbed to death after foiling a mugging.
BECK:
BEHAR: We`re looking at a security video now showing people walking past him. I mean, people are afraid that they -- if they intercept and there`s a gender issue here. I mean, a woman interjecting herself into -- or mugging with some big guys, I think that`s dangerous stuff, but that -- that should not stop you from calling 911 on your phone.
DR. JANET TAYLOR, PSYCHIATRIST: Right, I mean, you have to keep your wits about and use all your resources. But there is no question testosterone for men plays a role in their ability to just jump right in. Because testosterone lessens fear, makes men less aware of emotions and makes them more likely to jump in and do something.
Women will use their network in other ways, call 911, call for help.
BEHAR: Yes.
TAYLOR: So women can be heroes too but for men, in terms of jumping right in physically, there`s no question they`re more likely to do it.
BECK: And I don`t want to get to religious on all of you. But how Christic (ph) is that, I mean to lay down your life for somebody you don`t even know?
BEHAR: It is.
I think it`s the true -- it`s the true definition of Christian.
BECK: It is -- it`s pretty rare --
BEHAR: -- and -- and the word has been bandied around and -- and --
BECK: Right.
BEHAR: -- pardon my expression, bastardized.
BECK: Yes.
BEHAR: But this is what it`s about.
BECK: Walking the talk --
BEHAR: If you really want to be a Christian, walk the walk.
BECK: Right.
BEHAR: Thank you, Victor, very much for the wonderful things that you did.
VICTOR: Thank you.
BEHAR: And thank you guys.
BECK: You`re welcome.
BEHAR: Up next, is the Donald thinking about a presidential run? Oh. President the Donald?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up a little later on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, actress Jenny McCarthy drops by to talk about parenting, posing for "Playboy" and her breakup with Jim Carrey.
Now back to Joy.
BEHAR: Could the man known for firing everybody actually be hired for the nation`s most important job? Talk show host on HLN? No. Donald Trump says he is considering a presidential run in 2012. Is he serious or is this just another publicity stunt?
Here now to talk about this and much more, are Ari Melber, correspondent for the "Nation" magazine; and Roy Sekoff, founding editor of the Huffington Post.
Roy, he says he`s considering for the first time in his life. But he used to hint about it in `88 and `99. Is he -- is he kidding us again now or what?
ROY SEKOFF, FOUNDING EDITOR, HUFFINGTON POST: Yes, of course. Once again, he`s going to have "The Real Wives of New Jersey" as his cabinet. I mean, this is a guy -- has there ever have been anybody who loved the spotlight more than Donald Trump? I mean, he even tried to get himself into the -- the mosque controversy. Remember that, I`ll -- I`ll buy it. Is that going to be his answer to everything? I`ll buy it, you`re fired and it`s going to be like the catch-phrase presidency.
BEHAR: But could he even win? Could he win Ari?
ARI MELBER, THENATION.COM: It`s sad to say he probably could get pretty far, I mean, especially in the Republican primary. If he does the business thing, he`s like a slightly more likeable Mitt Romney.
But I do agree with Roy, you know, if you had a jeopardy contest and you said, you know, publicity stunt, what`s the question and the question is, who is Donald Trump? He has built his career with a lot of money this way but I don`t think it`s serious.
BEHAR: You don`t?
MELBER: No.
BEHAR: I mean he would run as a Republican, right?
MELBER: I would hope.
BEHAR: But he could he get the Tea Party vote, I bet he couldn`t.
SEKOFF: No, I don`t think he`s wacky enough, Joy.
BEHAR: He`s not.
SEKOFF: And don`t forget though, his -- no, his company though, has declared bankruptcy three times. So he would be pretty comfortable with the -- you know the national debt.
BEHAR: Well, but what about the pay cut he`d have to take? And the White House is too small for him after the way he lives, right?
MELBER: Well, he would put -- he would put some gold paneling on it. I mean, why does it have to be white it`s been white forever? And Trump could you know, basically it`s -- make it look a lot more like one of his hotels.
BEHAR: It`s -- it`s interesting that this should come up now in this -- this day and age you have a witchcraft in Delaware. You`ve got -- some -- some other crazy in Alaska now running, who says that unemployment insurance -- social security is unconstitutional?
MELBER: Right that`s what --
SEKOFF: Unconstitutional.
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BEHAR: Everybody is saying crazy stuff right now. So why not Donald? He`s -- he`s smart.
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MELBER: Well, I will tell you -- the serious part that undergirds this of course --
BEHAR: Yes.
MELBER: -- is that the cost of running for office today is more expensive than ever before. You know some people say, oh it`s always expensive and the system is rigged. No, it actually used to be much less expensive. And so the idea that you can have celebrities who get free media --
BEHAR: Yes.
MELBER: -- actually does make them more viable candidates.
BEHAR: Right, right.
MELBER: In the old days, you had to actually -- get your name known by doing something, not just being famous for being famous, which is I think more what Trump and Paris Hilton are like.
BEHAR: Nothing will ever change until they stop -- they change campaign funding. Nothing will change.
SEKOFF: That -- yes, Joy -- Joy --
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BEHAR: That is the truth.
SEKOFF: Joy, that`s -- that`s the mother of all reforms.
BEHAR: Absolutely.
SEKOFF: And we`re seeing it out here in California right now. Meg Whitman, you know, having spent $119 million of her own money. But at least she`s a billionaire. And I think Trump, isn`t he mostly leveraged? Will he -- will he be able to leverage the money that he gives to his campaign.
BEHAR: I don`t know.
SEKOFF: I think these are serious times. I don`t think we -- we can`t afford a joke candidate. We can`t afford dilettantes. We tried that with Arnold Schwarzenegger out here, it didn`t work too good.
BEHAR: Ok and let`s move on.
Could Hillary Clinton take Joe Biden`s spot as Vice President? Bob Woodward told CNN yesterday that a swap is very much a possibility. Listen.
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BOB WOODWARD, THE WASHINGTON POST: It`s on the table. And some of Hillary Clinton`s advisers see it as a real possibility in 2012. President Obama needs some of the women, Latinos, retirees that she did so well with during the 2008 primaries.
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BEHAR: Ok, Ari, Woodward says it`s on the table. Hillary Clinton`s people say it`s not and Obama`s people say it`s not. Now who are we going to believe? The guy who cracks Watergate or politicians? Come on.
MELBER: I like -- I like the anger you have there, Joy. I have to tell you, the --the one quote that I`ve seen that says this could happen and it`s in the political article about Woodward`s comments was from Hillary`s advisers.
And so this is a bit like I know later you`re having Jenny McCarthy on the program?
BEHAR: Yes.
MELBER: This will be like, if advisers to Roy Sekoff said, that you know Jenny McCarthy might go on a date with Roy but our only source was Roy.
SEKOFF: I`ve been hearing that a lot lately.
MELBER: Exactly.
SEKOFF: And it`s been -- it`s been the buzz out here. But -- but -- you know here is -- here is the thing about this.
The problem that Obama is having is not Joe Biden. Joe Biden is not the reason we have 9.7 percent unemployment.
MELBER: Yes.
SEKOFF: Joe Biden is not the reason that we`re getting deeper and deeper into a growing -- unpopular war in Afghanistan. Throwing Joe Biden under the bus is not the message that Barack Obama needs to sends to voters.
MELBER: You know to add on that --
BEHAR: Yes.
MELBER: -- the thing about that Joy is that on the one hand, yes, we know that Hillary Clinton has a different type of coalition than Barack Obama.
BEHAR: Right.
MELBER: There`s voter numbers from the primaries to prove that. But you always have to measure that against the cost of looking like you`re changing your team mid-stream. It never looks good. And so on the one hand, yes, maybe she brings over some people if we`re just going to play the -- the political theory here.
But on the other hand, then it looks like as Roy said, you have this unemployment, you have these criticisms of Obama.
BEHAR: Yes.
MELBER: And then people say, you had to swap out your number two? It can make you look weak.
BEHAR: But they are just switching jobs. They`re saying, well, you know, maybe Hillary did what she had to do and now she can do this. I mean, I think that`s not --
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SEKOFF: It`s like "The Prince and the Pauper", you know. It`s like one of those Disney movies. I`ll go be Secretary of State for a while you`ll be the Vice President. Let`s not get crazy here, Joy.
BEHAR: A lot of people want a woman in the White House, Roy. A lot of women want a woman in the White House. Maybe it`s time and then she can run against the Republican in the next one, in 2016, I think it is. Right?
UM2: She`s ready to.
BEHAR: She`s been ready for 10 years.
SEKOFF: There`s no question she wants to. Exactly.
BEHAR: Ok. We`ll continue this in just a minute. Stay right there.
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BEHAR: I`m back with my panel.
Now, "The Nation" magazine is reporting tomorrow that Lou Dobbs, the man who ranted and railed against illegal immigration may actually be employing illegal immigrants in his own home. You know, Lou always talked about building a fence. Who knew he mean a fence to keep immigrants from leaving his property.
Ari, details -- you`re from "The Nation". Let`s hear it.
MELBER: Absolutely. This is a blockbuster reported story by Isabel McDonald in "The Nation" magazine coming out tomorrow. That`s report with multiple sources that there are undocumented or some people would say, workers that are employed by Dobbs` company and the multi-million dollar horse racing business that he operates.
BEHAR: Now, are we to assume that he knew they were there?
MELBER: It`s a great question. And we don`t know the answer. What we do know is that in many cases it was clear, according to reports and people involved, that there were undocumented workers. That he spoke to people in Spanish in one instance on his lawn. There were several people around him who say that this was clear, this was obvious.
And as we know, that is so often the case when you look at this kind of migrant labor.
BEHAR: Oh,
SEKOFF: I mean Joy --
BEHAR: Yes.
SEKOFF: You know, what we see here is that Dobbs with this kind of anti-immigrant conservatives, he`s like all the other ones, they want to deport them but not until dinner has been served, the lawn has been mowed and the car has been washed.
MELBER: You know, Roy makes a beautiful point because --
BEHAR: And beautifully put, too.
MELBER: And beautiful put but -- yes, it`s like St. Augustine said, "Lord, deliver me from sin, just not yet."
BEHAR: Not yet.
MELBER: And that`s what a lot of people feel about vices but I would actually go further because there`s obviously something serious here. This is someone, Mr. Dobbs, who built his career in part raging and inveighing against this kind of labor. And it turns out that not only does he have it in his own backyard as we said but also -- Isabel McDonald asked him for comment, asked him to talk about it.
BEHAR: Oh, yes. So is he going to respond?
MELBER: No. What he originally said is that he would discuss it on his radio show with the reporter, Ms. McDonald, after the article went to press. And we learned today that he has now backed out of that commitment and he refuses to do the interview, even on his radio show, which "The Nation" was willing to do.
So that`s really important because we have someone who spent all this time and gone around asking people --
BEHAR: Give them an opportunity. Lou, come on my show. Mi casa es su casa.
SEKOFF: Joy, here`s what we do. We get two Joy, we get Meg Whitman and we get Lou and we hook them up to lie detector tests at the same time. And they can both -- they`re sort of like the immigration hypocrisy dream ticket.
MELBER: Well, and really like -- I love Roy here, but the truth is that yes, Meg Whitman out in California did say put me on a lie detector. At least she is coming out and trying to explain the situation. She also had documentation.
Again, Mr. Dobbs who used to make a living asking people question about this and who, by the way, is speaking at a Tea Party event this weekend, who`s out in the public -- on the public stage talking about politics and issues, he`s afraid. I don`t know why he`s afraid of Ms. McDonald or "The Nation`s" reporting, but he should answer -- he must answer these questions.
BEHAR: I don`t know if he`s going to. I mean is it just hypocritical or does it really prove that the country cannot function without illegal immigrants?
MELBER: Well, I think that`s the heart of the matter right? When you see it happening even with people who are critics, what you see in the labor force is that this is the backbone of the economy. And it`s not fair when people talk about it as if it`s always an individual choice. These people are part of the economy and that`s why we need some pathway to reform.
BEHAR: And he was only paying them $8 an hour to look after -- to shovel manure.
MELBER: That`s right.
BEHAR: It`s one thing to be --
SEKOFF: Well, that`s a real interesting story there.
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BEHAR: Yes. Go ahead, I`m sorry.
SEKOFF: All the money he spends on, I think, the horses that his daughter has. She`s won over $1 million as some kind of horse jumper, the youngest person ever to do that.
MELBER: They have the money.
BEHAR: To be continued on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW. Thanks very much guys.
Up next, Jenny McCarthy dishes on sex, botox, and her split with Jim Carrey and dating Roy Sekoff.
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JOY BEHAR, HLN HOST: Jenny McCarthy is a talented actress, a fierce activist and she is also an author. In her new book, "Love, Lust and Faking It," sharing her -- she shares her experience with love and relationships. And he`s here with me now. Welcome to the show, Jenny.
JENNY MCCARTHY, AUTHOR, "LOVE, LUST & FAKING IT": Thank you.
BEHAR: So what`s faking it mean? What do you do? What are you faking?
MCCARTHY: Well you know -- funny you bring that up first, Joy. I`m not really necessarily talking about orgasms. But I do have something to say about those in a moment. But the faking it part is about how women start off relationships kind of in that honeymoon phase.
BEHAR: Oh yes.
MCCARTHY: Everything`s so funny and you`re loving football. And you know you`re fine with his mother. And then cut to two years later and you hit the bitch. So I`m trying to teach women and you know I`m teaching myself also this, that when you enter a new relationship, start of, be your authentic relationship, you know, say it like it is, leave it all on the table. Here I am.
BEHAR: How many women would actually get married if they did that.
MCCARTHY: I think you know what, there might be some longevity to it. Because I think in the first two years that we are faking it, and the guy goes you`re a dream, you`re everything I wanted, and I love you. Then we start getting resentment going, you know, bite me. You don`t even know who I am. Bite me. I haven`t showed you who I really am yet. So I think there is some resentment there so we start off with a clean slate, I think you have a better chance.
BEHAR: Uh well I think that`s write. I agree with you. You were writing this book while you were breaking up with Jim Carrey, right?
MCCARTHY: Well the way you say it, it sounds like I was doing the breaking up. So let me be political and say, you know it was mutual.
BEHAR: It was mutual.
MCCARTHY: But yes during the time we were going through our breakup, I signed the deal before the breakup to do this book. And you know I`m writing it going, oh my god. No matter whose decision it is, there`s still a grieving period. You`re still upset.
BEHAR: It`s horrible.
MCCARTHY: It`s really hard.
BEHAR: It`s the worst.
MCCARTHY: It is but you know what I realize -
BEHAR: How long were you married?
MCCARTHY: I was never married. We dated five years.
BEHAR: Oh same thing.
MCCARTHY: Exactly. We lived together. So it`s like the same thing as getting married. So like sometimes you have to go through painful experiences whether it be like health like my son, or relationships in order to kind of find lessons in it. And maybe teach other people what you learn.
BEHAR: That`s right but did you come clean with Jim when you first met him?
MCCARTHY: No. I was completely a phony baloney.
BEHAR: You were.
MCCARTHY: To the point of laughing at the jokes.
BEHAR: Well he is funny.
MCCARTHY: He is funny.
BEHAR: That was easy.
MCCARTHY: That wasn`t too bad. But still, you know, wanting to be pretty all the time and liking things that maybe I really couldn`t stand.
BEHAR: Like what?
MCCARTHY: You know, whether it be the really common denominator is football season.
BEHAR: Oh yes, I hate football.
MCCARTHY: Oh I love it. Let`s watch the game. And I`m sitting there, going, this is horrible. And then two years later, I`m like, we`re watching football again.
BEHAR: And they`re so dumb. They actually like it.
MCCARTHY: You know we are buying it. You know men are very linear in their thinking. You know my girlfriend told me the best thing ever, which was, my husband can`t read my mind. So I decided to start making him a list of the things I want. If you put it on paper, I need more hugs. Men go, OK. You know and they need that. I think it does help.
BEHAR: You know I want to ask you, you`re very funny yourself and your boyfriend was very funny himself, Jim Carrey. He`s a very talented guy. How does it work when two of you are very funny in a relationship?
MCCARTHY: I think like most comics I know, when you go home, you`re not that funny.
BEHAR: You`re boring.
MCCARTHY: You`re boring -
BEHAR: Just like everybody else.
MCCARTHY: Like you sit on the couch and you watch TV, you read books and you know watch "DANCING WITH THE STARS." it`s just a normal life. And I don`t think -- we didn`t yuck it up too much. For the most part, it was just calm.
BEHAR: I have a guy who`s very funny too. It`s not like we`re competing with each other.
MCCARTHY: No, not at all.
BEHAR: It`s like who gets this side of the bed and who gets to use the bathroom, you know. So did you learn anything from the relationship?
MCCARTHY: I learned a lot. To get into specifics of things that happened, can`t really. But what I learned to do was to take everything I had a problem with, look at it on a piece of paper. And instead of putting he did this, I put "I" in front of it and start to look at all those things we blame our partners for and turned on myself.
BEHAR: Right, oh, it`s so true.
MCCARTHY: It`s so true.
BEHAR: Right.
MCCARTHY: It was unbelievable. I said to myself, I`m not screwing up anymore. I`m going to do this right. And I think you repeat the same type of relationships with a different package if you don`t look back.
BEHAR: Absolutely. The blame list goes right here.
MCCARTHY: Yes.
BEHAR: Otherwise you will never move on. I totally agree with that. Now you were a celebrity couple and in kind of a fish bowl, you were always in the tabloids and stuff like that.
MCCARTHY: A little bit.
BEHAR: There`s a couple right now who`s in that position where everybody`s watching them and thinking they`re breaking up. Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore. I bring them up because there are rumors about a celebrity breakup. And they are in this celebrity fish bowl.
MCCARTHY: Right.
BEHAR: What would you, if she were here, Demi, what would you say to her right now?
MCCARTHY: That`s a good question, Joy.
BEHAR: I`m glad you think so.
MCCARTHY: I would probably tell her to do some investigating. Maybe don`t be so, you know, opinionated into one side of denial. You want to investigate, see if it`s true. How you do that, I don`t know. But then I would look at myself and go, let me re-evaluate this relationship if it is true. Do I hang in there? Do I leave? I`m not caught up to the latest scandal, but there seems to be so many people talking about it. I know the magazines wouldn`t go so far as to say the things they are without having some truth.
BEHAR: Oh especially "People" magazine.
MCCARTHY: I would tell her to keep digging myself.
BEHAR: Well you know she`s a little bit older than him.
MCCARTHY: Right.
BEHAR: A lot older actually. Maybe that`s an issue. Has that ever been an issue?
MCCARTHY: I dated a man when I was 21. He was 50?
BEHAR: what?
MCCARTHY: Yes, Joy, for four years.
BEHAR: Can we say pedophile?
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MCCARTHY: He might have been 45. But I stayed with him for four years, so he turned 50.
BEHAR: Fifty! What were you so attracted to a man who was 50 when you were 21?
MCCARTHY: Uh I you came out from Chicago. I got on a singles out. It was like on a crazy train. It was what I call, my primetime of the Jessica Simpson. Everyone that goes through that wagon of fame very quickly, and he to me, was kind of a balancing stick. I didn`t want to go out and party. I didn`t want to hit the clubs. I wanted to focus on my career. And I thought this old guy only wants to sit home and watch "WHEEL OF FORTUNE."
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BEHAR: So what happened then?
MCCARTHY: So we had a great relationship. Four years we played "Scrabble," I stayed out of the tabloids. Then we looked at each other and said, thank you. He`s an awesome guy. I`m still friendly with him.
BEHAR: Is he in a home now? OK tell me about your sexual awakening as a catholic school girl.
MCCARTHY: Oh my god.
BEHAR: Something about a teddy bear.
MCCARTHY: I grew up Irish catholic, all-girl catholic school.
BEHAR: Where?
MCCARTHY: South Side Chicago. Masturbation was considered evil. My friends were talking about it. I was too terrified to even try. But there was a story in my book, that`s why I`m talking about this, I had a teddy bear named Tubby. And he got caught in a certain position while I was trying to shut the window in bed. And Tubby and something spectacular happened in my body.
BEHAR: OK.
MCCARTHY: And I was like, oh my god. Tubby, you are very naughty. And I thought, OK. I will burn in hell. Tubby`s going to burn in hell. So it was his fault as we continued our relationship. The problem was, after a few years, I came home from school one day and my mom had sold Tubby in a garage sale.
BEHAR: Oh my god.
MCCARTHY: And I`m like, the poor - so Tubby`s probably out there drinking and smoking saying, you should see the places I`ve been.
BEHAR: Oh the places I`ve been. One more question. I like that you`re honest about -- shall we wait? OK, we`ll come back in a moment with this question. We`ll be back with Jenny McCarthy in just a moment.
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BEHAR: We`re back with Jenny McCarthy. You know I like that you`re very honest and open about plastic surgery and Botox. First of all, let`s talk about the people who are not. Why aren`t they?
MCCARTHY: I don`t know.
BEHAR: Do they really think that we think that they`re natural?
MCCARTHY: I think they do. I think they really think that if they stick by their story, no one will -- everybody will believe them. The problem is this generation is coming into the botox era. They know can`t get away with it. So it`s the older women like the Nicole Kidmans that - think that is that all right --
BEHAR: Well she`s not that -- Nicole Kidman is not old.
MCCARTHY: But no it`s like the 24-year-olds, the whatever twins, the Olsen twins that are talking about. They are a little bit more open. For some reason, I think the older generation is scared to talk about it, where I`m like, shoot me up.
BEHAR: Well you`re funny but Nicole Kidman is not a funny actress.
MCCARTHY: Right because she doesn`t need to laugh.
BEHAR: Well she does need to laugh. I mean she was married to Tom Cruise, the girl needs to love. I love Tom but come on. But why -- I think the reason they don`t tell sometimes is because they`re afraid of their career. I mean, the men don`t have this issue.
MCCARTHY: No. Men age you know and look better. I think women get a little insecure because their roles disappear.
BEHAR: But do the men really look better? I don`t think so. They lose their hair. I don`t think they look that much better than women. Women can dye their hair, wear makeup, get some shots. We look much better.
MCCARTHY: Yes but the Marlboro man wrinkle thing -
BEHAR: Because they brainwash us into thinking it`s attractive.
MCCARTHY: Yes you`re right.
BEHAR: Anyway -
MCCARTHY: Do you get botox?
BEHAR: Of course.
MCCARTHY: OK.
BEHAR: Yes, I do. I`ve been doing it. I love it.
MCCARTHY: I love it too. You know the key is minimal. Otherwise, it is frozen and you lose -- especially if you`re trying to be funny or comedic. Then you`re like, ha, ha, ha. I talk about one accident in the book it was a botox nightmare where I was doing Megan Mulally`s first episode of her talk show. Remember she had that first talk show?
BEHAR: Megan Mulally?
MCCARTHY: Thank you, I couldn`t remember the name, I`ll be a good talk show host someday. So anyway, I had -- I went to the plastic surgeon and say, do the typical. And by the way, I`m getting this Jay Leno crease in my chin. Oh he said, I could botox it. You are going to botox my chin? He said, let`s give it a try. He shot it up and it froze my whole mouth.
BEHAR: Oh.
MCCARTHY: I was talking like this. So I`m like, oh my god, I have to do the Megan Mulally show. My sister was my makeup artist for 13 years. She said, you are just an embarrassment to the family. I had drool off the side of my face -
BEHAR: It looks like you had a stroke. That`s terrible.
MCCARTHY: It was. It was really embarrassing and I learned a lesson -
BEHAR: What did you have, a cleft in your chin? It was cute.
MCCARTHY: I don`t know. He talked me into it. They`re kind of like drug dealers.
BEHAR: They are.
MCCARTHY: You`re looking a little -- I`m like, what?
BEHAR: The one is higher than the next, you have to watch them.
MCCARTHY: Yes.
BEHAR: OK now, the other thing you said that`s interesting to me is a double dose of HRT gets you horny. First of all, HRT is dangerous.
MCCARTHY: HGH. Human growth hormone.
BEHAR: Oh not HRT. I had HRT down
MCCARTHY: What is HRT?
BEHAR: I guess maybe the mean the IRT or something.
MCCARTHY: Well HGH is a human growth hormone.
BEHAR: HRT, you`re too young for that, anyway?
MCCARTHY: Yes, human growth hormone, I`m not taking. I`m taking progesterone cream. Is that what it`s called?
BEHAR: Oh so it is hormone replace therapy.
MCCARTHY: Yes but I don`t think it`s that one.
BEHAR: HRT is hormone replacement therapy.
MCCARTHY: Oh OK.
BEHAR: So I apologize - I`m going to write that down.
MCCARTHY: But yes, I take a little bit. And my tube was accidentally screwed up. And I talk about it in my book. It made me so incredibly randy, if you will, I was losing my mind.
BEHAR: What is it again?
MCCARTHY: It`s the progesterone. Suzanne Sommers talks about it a lot in her book.
BEHAR: she`s as horny as they come.
MCCARTHY: And you know, I said to myself, my PMS is kind of bad. I like to not get so crazy and swollen. It did help. The problem was the tube was broken and I put too much on and I was seriously humping lamps. And I called my doctor and said, listen, we`ve got a situation here. He`s like, what? I`m like, I can`t walk without going, like, hello.
BEHAR: Really?
MCCARTHY: Yes. He said, well, aren`t you single now? I`m like, that has nothing to do with it. He said, it could be. You are single. I said, I`m not single going, oh my god, look at all these men.
BEHAR: It`s embarrassing.
MCCARTHY: Something happened. We found out I had too much on.
BEHAR: You should bottle this stuff. Call it homage to teddy. You`re a big fan of sex and chocolate.
MCCARTHY: Well eating and sex.
BEHAR: At the same time?
MCCARTHY: Yes. I tried it once. I know. It was Valentine`s Day. I was drunk. But it`s like satisfying two extras at the same time. I don`t know.
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BEHAR: You know this business of "Playboy," you posed naked for playboy. I didn`t even really know that because I don`t read "Playboy."
MCCARTHY: Yes but it was like 20 years ago.
BEHAR: Well tell me about that. Was Hugh Hefner there?
MCCARTHY: Was he it at the shoot, are you asking?
BEHAR: Was he at the shoot?
MCCARTHY: He was not at the shoot. I was working at a Polish grocery store -
BEHAR: A Polish grocery store.
MCCARTHY: Because I`m half polish. We`ll find out why in a minute. But we sold Polish sausage and playboys. I remember sitting there one day going, I can do that.
BEHAR: You could do what, the Polish sausage?
MCCARTHY: I already did the Polish sausage. I dated a few Polish sausages. But the magazine, Anna Nicole Smith was on the cover. I`m like this can`t be that hard. So I went downtown, the Chicago headquarters because they were there.
BEHAR: Yes.
MCCARTHY: And walked in and said how does one go about this. You have to mail in your picture, you can`t just walk in here. Well the executive was walking by and he said, why don`t you come in back and try your bikini - put on a bikini and just take a quick picture because the photographer was doing something. So I said, OK. So I went in, scared to death, took pictures like I was doing a mug shot. And by the time I got home from taking the bus from there, they called me, you`re miss October. So I was like, OK, this is meant to be.
BEHAR: Wow talent meant opportunity. MCCARTHY: The horrific part was though, I didn`t know anything about grooming and everything.
BEHAR: Really?
MCCARTHY: So my the time I went to the shoot, they were horrified by the hairiness that I showed them.
BEHAR: Oh so you needed a - yes.
MCCARTHY: I needed a lawn mower.
BEHAR: Really, that bad? Aren`t you a natural blond?
MCCARTHY: Yes well, it was that, the (EXPLICATIVE DELETED) do not match the (EXPLICATIVE DELETED) but my god, we`re so dirty, what`s going on.
BEHAR: We, we?
MCCARTHY: I guess the book talks about that - you`re pulling it out of me.
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BEHAR: It`s not that hard.
MCCARTHY: I talk about it in the book about how I`m Chicago`s Polish porn star, because I was the hairiest "Playboy" to come through there.
BEHAR: But is that still you, that sexy, funny girl that posed in "Playboy?"
MCCARTHY: You know what, to an extent, I consider to my self - you know I`ve been through so much autism power over time -
BEHAR: Oh yes the autism -
MCCARTHY: You know right now just to talk about this and be kind of cookie and crazy has been such a relief. Because I have been you know, midst of a crusade and fighting for my son and -
BEHAR: You get a lot of criticism though because you keep saying, I think, correct me if I`m wrong, that autism is caused by these shots that kids are getting.
MCCARTHY: I love that you brought it up.
BEHAR: And it`s been disproved.
MCCARTHY: No, it hasn`t.
BEHAR: OK.
MCCARTHY: There has been a case that just happened in London -- you want to go to commercial?
BEHAR: I want to go to commercial, when we come back and then you can tell me everything about it. Stay right there, we`ll be right back.
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BEHAR: We`re back with Jenny. So continue the autism conversation.
MCCARTHY: Great. Thank you. The whole other side of it likes to say that I am or my side is anti-vaccine. And we`ve said over and over again, even in our March in Washington, greener vaccines. We believe in just a safer schedule and maybe clean out some of the crap ingredients.
BEHAR: Right.
MCCARTHY: But it`s really easy to discount us by saying we are anti- vaccines.
BEHAR: I see, didn`t they say out the marisol?
MCCARTHY: They take out some of Marisol out.
BEHAR: Really.
MCCARTHY: Yes.
BEHAR: Why do they need it, though?
MCCARTHY: It`s a preservative and I don`t know, we are saying there are tons of other - you know aborted fetal tissue is still in there.
BEHAR: Why? So you are on a crusade to clean it up?
MCCARTHY: Clean it up -
BEHAR: Yes.
MCCARTHY: And space them out a little bit and get off my back saying I`m anti-vaccine when I`m not an idiot. We aren`t mark of parents that know that we need them. I don`t want to see diseases come back, but I also don`t want to see children getting every vaccine that becomes available on the market within a small period of time. Space them out. Let the child develop an immune system.
BEHAR: But a lot of pediatricians are spacing them out.
MCCARTHY: Now they are.
BEHAR: Maybe because you are --
MCCARTHY: Parents are coming in with a voice saying, my child is my child. Let me have a choice in this and space them out. Does he need hepatitis B in the first day of life--
BEHAR: When did this start with all these vaccinations?
MCCARTHY: I don`t know - OK I can tell you in 1983, the shot schedule was ten shots given. Today there are 36 within the first few years of life. So to me, I go geez autism was one in 10,000 in 1983, now it`s one in 60 boys.
BEHAR: Yes, what is that about.
MCCARTHY: That`s huge.
BEHAR: Let`s say it`s not about the inoculation.
MCCARTHY: By the way it`s not about only -- I say -- it`s a big pot, it`s pesticides, it`s the environment and vaccines.
BEHAR: Is it genetic?
MCCARTHY: I call it -- are you genetically vulnerable?
BEHAR: It gets triggered?
MCCARTHY: Yes absolutely. Environment pulls the trigger. What was your question about it?
BEHAR: I was just talking about the different ways to explain why autism rates are so high?
MCCARTHY: Oh OK, that`s right, the boys - the boys -
BEHAR: One out of 150 boys.
MCCARTHY: No, it is one out of 60 boys right now.
BEHAR: What?
MCCARTHY: One out of 60 boys will be diagnosed with autism.
BEHAR: Is it autism full blown or the Asberger`s continuum.
MCCARTHY: Well the autism spectrum disorder is, you know Asberger`s autism -- both really hard to have in your life. I mean one isn`t better than the other is what I`m trying to say. But boys seem to be more susceptible. Based on our science, with our doctors and scientist, it`s because boys have testosterone which causes a little bit more binding of toxins. Our estrogen kind of releases it, whereas boys hold on to it a little bit more.
BEHAR: But do they get it after the inoculations or born with it?
MCCARTHY: Well I think the kids that wind up developing autism are coming in genetically vulnerable. So I don`t think they`re coming in with autism. I think they are coming in you know like from a scale from one to 10, they are at an eight and they just need two more things to boil the pot over.
BEHAR: That number is astounding, frankly.
MCCARTHY: Isn`t it? I said, I`m going to be sitting here on shows saying, it`s one in 10. Eats hope I`m a little bit right. If I`m not, I`m screwed. Did you see "Children Of Men" the movie?
BEHAR: No.
MCCARTHY: Someone did, too scary.
BEHAR: I love you. You`re adorable.
MCCARTHY: Thank you. Thanks Joy.
BEHAR: The book is called "Love, Lust & Faking It." Good night everybody.
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