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Bill O`Reilly`s View; McCain Versus O`Donnell; Curbing Cheryl; Justin Bieber: Bully or Victim?
Aired October 18, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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ANNOUNCER: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW more fallout from Joy`s face-off with Bill O`Reilly on "The View". How did the national discourse get so vitriolic? And what`s the best way to defeat hate speech like O`Reilly`s? By tuning it out or by taking it on?
Then Meghan McCain says that fellow Republican Christine O`Donnell is a nut job. So who holds the power in the GOP? Moderates like McCain or the Tea Partiers?
Plus Bieber goes berserk. Pop star Justin Bieber allegedly punches a preteen at a laser tag center. So what set him off?
That and more starting right now.
JOY BEHAR, HLN HOST: You know, a lot has been said about my walking off "The View" last week after a contretemps with my BFF Bill O`Reilly. But I`m not sure enough has been said about why I did it. So here`s a refresher course.
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BILL O`REILLY, HOST, FOX NEWS CHANNEL: Let me break this to you. Seventy percent of Americans don`t want that mosque down there. So don`t give me "we" business.
BEHAR: Where`s that poll? I want to see that poll.
O`REILLY: You want to bet on that? I`ll show you that poll in a minute.
BEHAR: All I`m saying is un-American.
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O`REILLY: Seventy percent don`t want it there.
WHOOPI GOLDBERG, CO-HOST, "THE VIEW": But why is that? Why are we saying --
O`REILLY: Because it`s inappropriate.
GOLDBERG: Why is it inappropriate?
O`REILLY: Why do you this on 9/11?
GOLBERG: Oh, my God.
O`REILLY: Muslims didn`t kill us on 9/11? Is that what you`re saying?
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BEHAR: I don`t want to sit here. I don`t want to sit here no. I don`t.
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O`REILLY: Muslims killed us in 9/11.
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BEHAR: The question is why do I look pregnant in that top? Here with me now are comedian and co-founder of the Arab-American Comedy Festival Dean Obeidallah; and Marc Lamont Hill professor of anthropology and education at Columbia University.
You know what happened last week to me and Whoopi and the rest and "The View" et cetera has been such -- it`s become a huge media storm. And I`m not talking about when "The Situation" was kicked off "Dancing with the Stars".
I`m talking about Europe, they know about it there. A friend of mine got a call from Germany and one of the producer`s mothers in Ireland is asking him about it. It`s everywhere. What is that about? You`re the anthropologist.
MARC LAMONT HILL, PROFESSOR, COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY: There`s a couple of reasons. People love controversy, first of all. And this was completely unexpected. No one thought that you would stand up and walk off -- people debate Bill O`Reilly everyday for years and no one ever just stands up and says, "you know, I`ve had enough. I`m done."
That takes big guts. That was major. And the other thing, I think is that this is a hot issue; this issue around Muslims, issue around terrorism.
BEHAR: Yes.
LAMONT HILL: Unfortunately, people are focusing on the walk-off and not the actual statement that was being made.
BEHAR: I know. Which I think is very odd. All of the news media outlets that I was watching, it`s all about should she have walked off, shouldn`t she. They forget what he said which was --
DEAN OBEIDALLAH, COMEDIAN: Muslims killed us on 9/11.
BEHAR: Yes.
OBEIDALLAH: Which is so irresponsible. A man like Bill O`Reilly he`s been on TV for a lifetime, let`s be honest. I think he knows exactly what he`s saying. The idea -- you know if he would have said terrorists killed us on 9/11. That`s fine.
My family`s Muslim. No one called us and hey, we were going to take 9/11 what do you think? We were not polled. And it`s odd at this time where we have this hate rhetoric going on when I even get hate-mail saying go back to your country. I`m like, I`m from Jersey.
I know Jersey`s a different country to certain people but -- I mean it`s a weird time where people lump Muslims together all the time with al Qaeda. Al Qaeda is not building a mosque, it`s American Muslims building a mosque.
BEHAR: Yes.
OBEIDALLAH: Different situation.
BEHAR: But also, the other thing is, you know, just from my own point of view because I have the forum here. I would have said it if the comment was about Christians, about African-Americans, about Jews, you fill in the blank. I don`t like the idea that with this big brush all of these people. I mean there are millions of people that are Muslims in this world.
It`s only -- how many of them were in those planes?
LAMONT HILL: Right. Exactly.
OBEIDALLAH: Nineteen. And 1.5 billion Muslims worldwide.
BEHAR: And they`re from Saudi Arabia. We`re not saying Saudi Arabians killed us. I don`t understand what went on there.
LAMONT HILL: Exactly. I mean the terrorist were Muslim. But by saying that Muslims killed us it gives us an impression and allows people to conflate Muslim and Islam with terrorism and that`s a very dangerous especially in this moment when there`s so much Islamophobia going on. So I think the comment was irresponsible.
BEHAR: That`s right.
LAMONT HILL: And it warranted an apology.
BEHAR: To be fair, he did apologize on "The View". And here`s what he said on his own show. Watch.
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O`REILLY: When I said what I said yesterday, I assumed that most people would be intelligent enough to know that I was saying radical Islamists attacked us.
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BEHAR: Marc, do you think that that`s true? Are people intelligent enough to figure that out?
LAMONT HILL: That is the classic Bill O`Reilly. I love Bill O`Reilly.
BEHAR: I know. You want to show it.
LAMONT HILL: I don`t agree with him much. But that`s a classic O`Reilly apology. I`m sorry. I thought you were smart enough to understand what I actually met.
I don`t think this is the issue about intelligence. I think you either -- you say that the terrorists killed us. You don`t say the Muslims killed us. It`s really that simple.
And he`d make that an issue of American`s intelligence as opposed to the fact that they`re conflating the two things is really, really irresponsible; a little stubborn, too.
BEHAR: I see.
Do you think O`Reilly`s being sincere in his apology there? His explanation and his apology.
OBEIDALLAH: No, I think Bill O`Reilly knows exactly what he`s saying when he`s saying it. The man`s on TV every single night. He knows how to get ratings. He wants a great controversy. There`s a reason why you say those statements. It gets you the nomination of the Republican Party in certain states to say these ridiculous things.
It`s very calculated to feed his base to be playing on that. I think it`s in the right wing playbook, comes right out of that. Bingo, this is what we`re going to do. Like Sharron Angle has this idea that Muslims want to create Sharia Law in America which is completely off base and denied by everyone.
It continues. It`s a scary time in America. It really concerns me.
BEHAR: It is a very scary time. And it`s a scary time in the world right now. Because I`m bringing Germany into this only because Angela Merkel who is the chancellor of Germany her quote today is, quote, "I feel tied to Christian values," she says. "Those who don`t accept them don`t have a place here."
I find that to be a horrifying statement, especially from a country like Germany with their history.
LAMONT HILL: Exactly.
BEHAR: Now, why is it that in bad economic times like we`re having here and the Europeans are having, et cetera, people always look for a scapegoat. Now it`s the Muslims or the Turks in Germany; in this country, it`s the homosexuals and the Muslims.
LAMONT HILL: And the Mexicans too.
BEHAR: And the Mexicans, yes. Why do we always need a scapegoat when things are tough?
LAMONT HILL: Because I think people in power constantly divert our attention with these issues that don`t matter. Mexicans coming over the border, that`s not the reason people don`t have jobs but that`s an easy diversion from greedy multi-national corporations.
In Germany, it`s the exact same thing. It`s easier to focus on them than it is to focus on the fundamental issues. In Italy you can focus on Gypsies, Romanys (ph) instead of --
BEHAR: That`s right. They`re doing that in Italy.
LAMONT HILL: They`re doing it everywhere and it`s always brown people or poor people or some combination of the two. We have to get away from that and people who are catching the most hell have to turn their attention to the people giving it to them.
BEHAR: Do you think that there`s a threat of the numbers? I mean in this country Hispanics are growing in enormous numbers. Maybe that has something to do with these anti-Mexican remarks and things like that. Is there a feeling that there`s a threat to Germany because Turkish people are there?
OBEIDALLAH: It`s a small percentage, maybe 4 or 5 percent. In America, I`d hate to be a gay Muslim Mexican. I`ll tell you. That`s going to be awful.
BEHAR: That`s a good point.
OBEIDALLAH: I don`t know where you go. Maybe Canada at that point.
LAMONT HILL: Jersey, actually.
OBEIDALLAH: Well, you`ll be safe with my family.
I think there is a fear of the unknown and people are scared. Like in America now, I`ve seen polls, 60 percent of Americans are angry. They look for someone to blame for this anger and it`s unfortunate.
Muslims have nothing to do with it. We`re about 7 million Muslims in America of 300 million. You know how many people it would take to take over the country? I even tried. We gave out blenders and toaster, I`m not kidding -- as a joke -- to recruit people to Islam as a joke. We gave out blenders and toasters, we got one person. I gave him a toaster, he said yes.
Muslims will not take over America regardless of what the people on the right are going to say. We`re trying to live and survive in a country --
LAMONT HILL: You gave out toasters.
OBEIDALLAH: I`m not kidding. We set up a table downtown. We said, recruit to Islam. We had a big thermometer and we got one person.
LAMONT HILL: Maybe not Muslims taking over, but white people are in the minority now. And it`s getting bigger and bigger and bigger the people who are outnumbering them. That`s what people are concerned about. That`s what the whole -- we`re losing our country is about. I think ultimately though that`s going to be a nonissue.
BEHAR: But what frightens me about something like with Merkel in Germany is that she`s the chancellor. She`s speaking from a position of tremendous authority and that should set the tone for all the rest of us down here somewhere. That`s why Obama -- President Obama had to say the Muslims have a right to build their community center down at the -- at Ground Zero because if the president says they don`t have a right, all hell can break loose against people.
So it`s very important for people in positions of power to do the right thing. And Angela Merkel is not doing the right thing.
LAMONT HILL: Absolutely not.
BEHAR: And in this country, last week, Muslims killed us on 9/11 said Bill O`Reilly, anti-gay comments from Carl Paladino and just yesterday the Republican nominee for Senate in Colorado linked homosexuality to alcoholism.
LAMONT HILL: That is vile and vicious, but it`s part of a movement we see in America right now. You don`t have to go to Germany. You see a movement where we`re moving away from our basic values of multi- culturalism, of diversity and we`re starting to attack people once again. It`s a very bad thing.
All that change and hope and optimism we had in 2008, I see it drifting away. It`s easy to do that when people are economically desperate.
BEHAR: That`s right.
LAMONT HILL: People are able to point the blame a lot more.
OBEIDALLAH: We have to fight to preserve these rights. It`s a sacred right in our country, freedom of religion. It is not a popularity contest. Bill O`Reilly was setting (ph) a poll which actually I saw a poll only 51 percent were against it. But to me the best poll is in Manhattan. Every poll of Manhattan people, majority are in favor of the Muslim community center. And we were here, we`re the ones that live in Ground Zero.
BEHAR: I think the people downtown want it because they need a community center down there. They`ll have a swimming pool, they`ll enjoy themselves.
LAMONT HILL: Right.
You don`t take polls for human rights. If you want to take a poll in 1965 about whether black people could have the right to vote, it wouldn`t have passed. If you take a poll right now on women`s rights, it might not pass. You don`t vote on people`s rights. That`s why we have the Constitution.
OBEIDALLAH: And even race issues down south now, I think you`d have a problem in some places and certain counties.
LAMONT HILL: Exactly.
BEHAR: Ok. Very well said. Thank you guys very much.
Up next, a GOP smack down as Meghan McCain calls Christine O`Donnell a nut job.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up a little later on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, actress Cheryl Hines drops by to talk about the upcoming season of "Curb Your Enthusiasm".
And what sparked Justin Bieber to allegedly punch a 12-year-old. We`ll have the latest.
Now back to Joy.
BEHAR: Oh, that Justin Bieber, what a character.
You know, John McCain may have driven the straight talk express off the rails, but his daughter Meghan McCain is still on track and speaking her mind. She went on ABC`s "This Week" yesterday and had this to say about Delaware Republican Senate nominee Christine O`Donnell. Watch.
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MEGHAN MCCAIN, DAUGHTER OF SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN: Christine O`Donnell was making a mockery of running for public office. She has no real history, no real success in any kind of business. And what that sends to my generation is one day you can just wake up and run for Senate no matter how lack of experience you have.
And it scares me for a lot of reasons. And I just know in my group of friends, it just turns people off because she`s seen as a nut job.
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BEHAR: Here now with me to discuss this are Hilary Rosen, a CNN contributor and managing partner at SKD Knickerbocker, a political consulting firm handling media for a number of Democratic candidates this year; and the lovely John Avlon, a CNN contributor, the author of "Wing Nuts: How the Lunatic Fringe is Hijacking America".
John, why do you -- what do you make of Meghan`s comments? I mean what`s her motivation to go after Christine O`Donnell do you think?
JOHN AVLON, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Well, I don`t think it was a highly strategic move, but I love it when people tell the truth on television. I mean, you know, that`s what happens.
BEHAR: She criticized her.
AVLON: Yes, it`s just so refreshing. She told the truth. And it was sort of an aside, it was an after-thought, but that was the quote that everyone picked up because it got to the heart of the problem. We`ve got a nut job running for Congress in Delaware.
BEHAR: Well, that was -- O`Donnell`s camp responded the following way. "Ms. McCain`s vast experience in politics and running for office probably won`t influence many Delawareans of any age to listen to her latest rant." A little snotty.
AVLON: Yes.
BEHAR: Hilary, was it smart for the O`Donnell campaign to respond at all?
HILARY ROSEN, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: No, I can`t believe they responded. I am not a nut job. I`m not a witch. I`m not a nut job.
BEHAR: I am not a crook you remember --
AVLON: Yes, yes absolutely.
BEHAR: Yes I`m not a crook.
ROSEN: So but on the other hand, I have to say I don`t think we should -- we should just escape the fact that Meghan McCain is not exactly, you know the straight talk express. And you know, when -- we -- we sort of have a little bit of the junior, you know, pot calling the kettle black here. I think that -- all of a sudden she`s a political commentator with deep political experience? I`m skeptical about the whole catfight thing here.
BEHAR: Well, I don`t think that she was trying to be on equal footing with O`Donnell. She was just being --
AVLON: Yes.
BEHAR: -- commenting the way I would comment.
AVLON: Yes -- no --
BEHAR: She has the right to do that doesn`t she, Hilary?
ROSEN: Well, of course she does. And -- and to her -- in her defense, she was on ABC "This Week" as a -- as a political guest. So I`m not sure about that either. But other than that, the fact that -- the point that she made about the next generation being cynical, I`m gratified to hear that there are young Republicans who are feeling cynical. Because usually what it is -- is the Republicans are accusing young Democrats of feeling cynical. So the fact that there are candidates on the other side that make their own party cringe was just delightful to me.
BEHAR: Ok. But yes --
AVLON: But -- that -- that`s the cost of the really ugly hyper- partisan play of the base politics we`ve seen. Is that you get people energized in politics in 2008 and now come to this midterm they`re saying well, screw it, why bother? This process gets so hijacked by extremes and idiots of all stripes --
BEHAR: Wing nuts as you call them.
AVLON: -- wing nuts.
BEHAR: Did you coin that phrase?
AVLON: I -- I -- I think I popularized it. I think I get credit for that. The coinage goes to somebody else.
BEHAR: Yes.
AVLON: But -- but that`s a real problem in our politics right now. And -- and that is causing people right on the edge right now. They`re either going to be apathetic and say, I`m going to retreat in the world of Facebook and social media --
BEHAR: Yes.
AVLON: -- or I`m going to engage and try to change things for the better.
BEHAR: Ok you know, Hilary, Christine O`Donnell she also reportedly said -- this is my favorite -- that she has Sean Hannity in her back pocket.
ROSEN: Right.
BEHAR: What does she mean by that? I mean, what happened to fair and balanced over at Fox?
ROSEN: I don`t know in her back pocket, you`re talking like junk in my trunk. The -- you know, the thing that is so annoying about this is forget about -- you know, if you`re a candidate you do everything you can to curry favor with the media. You almost can`t blame her for this. But the fact that -- that Fox has turned their network into a telethon for Republican fund-raising --
BEHAR: A telethon, I love it.
ROSEN: It`s -- it is completely outrageous, between Glenn Beck on air raising money for the Chamber of Commerce --
BEHAR: Yes.
ROSEN: -- and Sean Hannity raising money for Christine O`Donnell`s campaign, it`s shameful. I can`t believe they can still get away with this.
BEHAR: Well, they get away with it --
ROSEN: -- Rupert Murdock must have a seat on his desk smirking.
BEHAR: They get away with it because they throw a lot of bombs --
AVLON: Sure.
BEHAR: -- double bombs. That`s why.
ROSEN: It`s outrageous.
AVLON: Sure, well I thought, this is just so weird too. What is this? Pocket-sized Hannity, I mean, some -- some of the creepy action figure that`s coming.
BEHAR: It`s coming?
AVLON: And it is -- it`s just bizarre. I mean, to the larger point where every major candidate running for president right now is a Fox contributor except for Mitt Romney; that is an unprecedented situations.
BEHAR: Yes.
AVLON: But in this case I think you had O`Donnell really just saying, look, I can -- I can go around you and get -- and have more influence than you via the media. And in some ways you can look at this whole campaign as an audition tape for Fox from Christine O`Donnell. I think that`s really where her talents lie. She -- remember that was her career before she decided to run for Senate three times in the last five years.
BEHAR: Do we --
ROSEN: But to talk about --
BEHAR: -- go ahead -- go ahead, Hilary.
ROSEN: Well, I was going to say, talk about making people cynical about -- about the process. When -- when you have big businesses like News Corp or others literally throwing money at the Republicans during this election, you might as well have the lobbyists walk into the Congressman`s office and say, vote with me for my big tax cut, or I`m going to spend millions of dollars against you and you won`t even know what hit you because I`ll never have to declare who I am.
I mean, that`s sort of the politics that they keep feeding. And Fox is just right out there unapologetically doing it and using tools like Christine O`Donnell to -- to try and push the agenda.
BEHAR: Well, you know --
ROSEN: And Sarah Palin.
BEHAR: Yes. But she`s not going to win. I mean, to me she is like taking a page from Sarah Palin.
AVLON: Yes.
BEHAR: Run for office or make a big stink politically so that you can then write a book, get a reality show and make millions of dollars.
AVLON: Yes.
BEHAR: I mean the girl is broke. So that`s -- I think we should --
AVLON: No, there`s absolutely reality show --
ROSEN: Yes.
AVLON: -- omen to the Senate candidacy. It`s a sort of an extension, if you ask some high school students what do they want to be when they grow up and they say famous. I mean, that was I think the larger point that Meghan McCain was trying to make, which was that hey, this is someone who is running for Senate three times in the last five years at age 41. She was a profession social conservative activist on television shows.
BEHAR: Yes.
AVLON: That`s all she`s ever done.
BEHAR: I was on with her on "Politically Incorrect." I remember sitting there with her and thinking this girl is so annoying. She doesn`t let anybody else really speak and she`s --
AVLON: Chirping.
BEHAR: Annoying. Anyway, thank you very much, you guys. We`ll be back in a minute.
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BEHAR: For ten years Cheryl Hines has played Larry David`s wife on HBO`s "Curb Your Enthusiasm". Now she`s executive producing "School Pride" a show about fixing broken schools. God, I wonder which one is more stressful?
Here now to talk to me about all of that is actress Cheryl Hines. Ten years with Larry.
CHERYL HINES, PRODUCER, "SCHOOL PRIDE": That`s stressful. No, actually --
BEHAR: How many Xanax are you up to now?
HINES: I have lost count. I have lost count.
BEHAR: People don`t know him. I`ve known him for a long time. He`s a doll.
HINES: He really is.
BEHAR: He`s a sweetheart.
HINES: He really is.
BEHAR: Right, everybody around here knows him.
HINES: He`s crazy. He`s neurotic. Let`s not overplay it.
BEHAR: Well, he`s neurotic but he`s creatively neurotic.
HINES: Yes. He`s not mean.
BEHAR: No. No, not at all.
HINES: Which if you watch the show, you might think that`s one mean, cranky man. But he`s not, in real life.
BEHAR: So what are we going to see in the upcoming season? You got a divorce a couple of seasons ago, was it?
HINES: It`s been fuzzy. It`s been fuzzy. It`s been a gray area I think, the breakup.
BEHAR: I`m not following it 100 percent. Is there a real divorce or is there a separation or what?
HINES: You tell me, Joy.
BEHAR: You don`t know.
HINES: I know now but I can`t talk about it.
BEHAR: Ok. No is secrecy.
HINES: Yes.
BEHAR: So we don`t know if you`re come can back as his ex or what happens in the next season.
HINES: You don`t know. You don`t know. I know. It`s not interesting to talk about it.
BEHAR: Do you like playing his wife as a married person or as a single person on that show?
HINES: Well, I liked being married to Larry. I can`t believe I said that out loud. You know --
BEHAR: We know it`s fiction.
HINES: And then clock out and go home. But yes, no, I`ve loved every minute of it.
BEHAR: It`s fun.
HINES: It`s so much fun.
BEHAR: I mean Suzie Essman my very good friend, she loves it because there`s no script. It`s all improvised. So the stress levels are lowered just because of that.
HINES: Yes. You just show up and start chitchatting.
BEHAR: A lot of people are afraid of that. A lot of actors, you know. I remember the late Anne Bancroft. I remember one time and she was on the show and she said it`s so stressful without a script. She didn`t know how to do it.
HINES: Yes. It is. It can be intimidating. Because as an actor, you know, you learn to really follow the script. All the answers are the script. Everything you need to know about your character is in the script. Then you show up for a TV show and there`s no script. So what do I do now?
BEHAR: There`s a couple other things going on with you. You`re executive producing the show called "School Pride". So you`re planning to fix all the broken schools. How are you going to do that?
HINES: One by one. Fixing all the schools one by one. Well, NBC has encouraged us to do this show. We`re doing it Friday nights 8:00 on NBC. It`s called "School Pride". We`re going across the country. We`re trying to inspire people to do something, you know, fix -- you`re looking at the tape right now of these schools are just in such bad shape.
So we`re bringing the community together; the teachers, the students, local businesses.
BEHAR: And the germs, what about the germs? You`re working with Lysol, I understand, to stop spreading germs in schools.
HINES: Thank you. I am. Lysol is launching a Mission for Health campaign, which I like because they are also encouraging people to go to their schools and clean it up. You know, encouraging moms and parents to go down -- and if you can`t go there, then donate some products.
BEHAR: There you go.
HINES: You have to do something.
BEHAR: You should hook up with Howie Mandel, he hates germs.
HINES: We would be a power team. Go from Larry David to Howie Mandel.
BEHAR: What a group.
Ok Cheryl, stay right there. We`ll be back in a minute.
HINES: Ok.
BEHAR: With more of you and others.
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ANNOUNCER: Coming up a little later on the JOY BEHAR SHOW," the latest on the fallout from Joy`s face-off with Bill O`Reilly.
And Richard Dreyfuss drops by to talk about playing a bad guy in the new action thriller, "Red." Now back to Joy.
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JOY BEHAR, HOST: Pop star, Justin Bieber, is at the center of a police investigation after an incident at a laser tag arcade. There were early reports that Bieber punched a 12-year-old boy, but now it seems that he may have been the one on the receiving end of the bullying.
Here now to discuss this are Cheryl Hines, star of "Curb Your Enthusiasm" and executive producer of "School Fraud," Nancy O`Dell, entertainment host and author of "Creative Memories Full Of Love" and the lovely Patti Stanger, the host of Bravo`s "Millionaire Matchmaker". Watch out for her. She`ll tell you how to go on a date. And she really tells you. OK. This kid Bieber -- he`s a kid. He`s 16 years old.
He`s playing at a Canadian arcade, right, like a normal kid. And he`s from Canada, by the way. And this 12-year-old boy allegedly called Bieber a gay slur twice. Now, why are kids throwing gay slurs around? What`s going on? Nancy, do you have anything to say about that?
NANCY O`DELL, AUTHOR, "CREATIVE MEMORIES FULL OF LOVE": Well, actually, I have a lot to say because, actually, ironically, you introduced me as the author of "Full of love" as the book that I wrote in connection with creative memories, and we talk about this in the book and the fact that it`s so important for kids to get a foundation at home, because they have to feel very self-confident and self-assured.
And these people who are putting out these gay slurs actually are lacking, I say, in a little confidence, because they feel like they need to draw the attention to them.
BEHAR: The ones who are saying the gay slurs?
O`DELL: The one that are saying the gay slurs. They`re saying look at me. I got to do something to create attention over here. And so, it all, I think, starts at home. And that you`re starting a foundation at home. With something as simple as a photo album, we`re talking about where the people see that they`re part of a unit. They`re part of a family and they have those values.
BEHAR: Bieber is telling friends that he had no idea that there was this hatred going on. And now, he`s going to take a stand against bullying and homophobia. Do you think it will make a difference if he speaks up?
PATTI STANGER, HOST, "MILLIONAIRE MATCHMAKER: Absolutely. I think 16, he`s the kid (ph) that`s next generation. I think the kids are following him massively. I mean, the malls are being, you know, imploded with all these kids that are going to see him. So, I think if he says something, you know, it doesn`t matter whether he`s straight or gay, they`re going to abide by it.
BEHAR: So, he can really make an impact. I think he should step up to the task.
CHERYL HINES, STAR, "CURB YOUR ENTHUSIASM": Well, here he is being a kid. I never see him actually being a kid. I just see him, you know, you see him on TV and he`s performing in front of millions of people all the time. Then he does laser tag and this is what happens? Come on!
BEHAR: He`s just trying to be a kid. I know.
HINES: But I think it`s great that he will stand up and say, everybody needs to settle down and stop bullying.
BEHAR: You know, but maybe he can`t be a regular kid now. It would be hard for him. I mean, the 12-year-old boy`s father said that Bieber hit the kid.
STANGER: Oh, brother.
BEHAR: Bieber was cornered and bullied.
STANGER: I think the father had an agenda here. Justin has never done this before, so we can`t really go by that. And I think he`s being, you know, really coached by his team right now, don`t do this, don`t do that. He`s got a million people on his payroll right now.
BEHAR: Money. Maybe they`re looking for -- what about Canadians?
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BEHAR: Calling Canadians cheap. Their dollar is stronger than ours these days.
O`DELL: That`s why they`re coming here.
BEHAR: Nobody`s arresting Canadians at the border. Just saying. OK. Jon Gosselin, his story, now says that having cameras follow his children is bad for them. The father of eight went to court last week to stop TLC from filming his kids for "Kate Plus 8" but a judge has denied that request. OK. Patti, did you think this is something he should have thought about years ago?
STANGER: I think they probably cut him out of the show and didn`t give him the payoff that he wanted and now he wants, you know, to stop the show because there was at period where he stopped the lawsuit and he was getting paid. It was like back and forth, back and forth. She`s a single mom that`s, you know, been in the spotlight. She can`t find a regular job now. She`s got a bodyguard on payroll. She needs to make bank. And unfortunately, he`s been cut out of the deal. That`s what that is.
BEHAR: Well, you know what. This is the statement that he put out. "Each of them has experienced negative effects of having their lives so public. Some are struggling with emotional and or behavioral issues. My goal for my children is for them to have a normal childhood and gain back their much deserved privacy." Does he have a point?
HINES: I think he has a point. I mean, let`s just say for one second that it`s possible that he had a moment of clarity and said this is actually not good for our kids. And if he`s a parent, it does seem like he should have some say over whether his kids are out in the public eye or not.
O`DELL: And I should say having covered, you know, Hollywood so many times and so many hear the stories that you hear that of the stories gone wrong are of the child actors. Of course. Everybody has seen those stories. So, you have to wonder -- I know they`re not actors. It`s almost even worse.
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HINES: Yes, what`s the up side?
BEHAR: The up side for Kate Gosselin and maybe her children is cash. She`s trying to make a living as a single mother.
O`DELL: College education.
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HINES: I also think he (INAUDIBLE)
STANGER: I think that one of the problems with him is he`s calling the kettle black, yet he`s heiress hopping from place to place. I don`t see him on the property taking care of the kids. You don`t see those pictures in "People" magazines.
HINES: Well, we can`t believe everything we see in magazines.
STANGER: The pictures are there to print it and the video, hello!
BEHAR: He says it`s not about the money, by the way. Are you buying that?
STANGER: Why does he go after heiresses? He`s a gigolo.
HINES: Gigolo? That`s his job? Does he have a job?
STANGER (ph): He`s a Canadian gigolo.
HINES: There you go.
BEHAR: He was fine with the shooting when he was there making the money on it. But to be fair, the kids are older now. It might affect them more. I don`t know. I don`t know.
HINES: If there`s doubt, don`t you think we should err on the side of let`s protect the kid?
O`DELL: They are past the point -- yes, what you`re saying, they are past the point where they now have a clue as to what`s going on. When they`re toddlers, they don`t know what --
HINES: Yes. They just want their diaper changed.
O`DELL: Yes, exactly. They just want to be free of the wet diaper.
BEHAR: Except that you know, studies have shown that children of all ages do absorb what`s going on very, very seriously.
HINES: Of course.
BEHAR: So the impact of the first six months of your life are crucial, according to Freudians anyway. OK. Quarterback Brett Favre who reportedly meet tomorrow with the NFL as part of the league`s investigation into allegations that he sent pictures of his private parts to a former New York Jets employee. Patti, can you explain this to me as a matchmaker. Why do guys think that it`s a turn-on for a woman to get a picture of his body part?
STANGER: We had a situation on season two. I don`t know if you guys remember Bill and Heidi, the hot couple. He sent me his private parts --
O`DELL: Uh-uh.
STANGER: Yes. And it had a little tattoo and it was unerect. No, he wanted to move how massive he was.
BEHAR: Who was this person?
STANGER: That`s Bill who`s on season two of our show.
HINES: And how did that go over?
STANGER: And we were like shocked because I was like -- first I didn`t realize who it was. It was on text message. And you know, I can`t see the picture. And I went like this and then I realized these guys, this is their trophy. This is like look what I won.
BEHAR: Did it turn you on?
STANGER: No! And I thought he was cute before that. I was like horrified. So, I think, Brett`s like, you know, he`s got something downstairs.
BEHAR: I hope it`s not true. I just want to, you know, for the record --
STANGER: Didn`t tiger do the same thing? Didn`t Tiger send something like that?
BEHAR: I don`t remember. Well, you know, I have three beautiful women here who have been, you know, who have been in relationships. Educate women and men out there and tell them what is it that you really would like to see in a photograph? What would you like to see?
O`DELL: Not a picture of that.
HINES: No, no.
BEHAR: OK. Not that. Would you like to see a picture of him naked from head to toe?
HINES: No.
STANGER: Men always forget --
BEHAR: She says yes.
HINES: Well, if you`re going to do naked at least do head to toe. We don`t need zooming in on a certain area.
BEHAR: Right, right.
HINES: So just do the whole -- send your picture, the whole picture.
O`DELL: The biggest thing for women is the mental part as I always say. So, if you want to send a picture of a nice -- I mean, everybody is going to go a good grief, but just a romantic side coming out. If you want to send a picture of a beautiful table with, you know, candles and stuff and say this is what we`re going to do later, then it takes your mind to --
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STANGER: No, no, no. Shirt off sweaty chopping wood for me.
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HINES: Sweaty chopping wood, that`s not bad.
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BEHAR: I think that he thought this would turn her on and get her, you know, excited.
O`DELL: I think it probably turns the guys on more than the girl, don`t you think? I was thinking that actually they probably wouldn`t send a picture with it being smaller rather than larger.
STANGER: Didn`t she send a picture of hers first? Was this a game back and forth?
HINES: You know what, that`s a good question. I actually think it`s smart of him because he`s saying here`s what I got. Hoping, let`s see what you got, instead of saying --
STANGER: What you are wearing?
HINES: I think it`s very sweet, actually.
BEHAR: Really? That`s nice of you. All right.
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BEHAR: Now, before we go, I feel like you should weigh in on my Bill O`Reilly event this week. You know I walked out in the middle of the show. And what`s interesting about that is that O`Reilly said that Muslims killed us on 9/11 which made me crazy and I walked off because I felt that that was a good way to protest what he was saying.
Now, I`ve been criticized in some quarters just for the walking off part. A lot of them have been covering. Would you have done that, anybody here?
STANGER: I would have. I don`t agree with Barbara and I`ll probably never get on "The View" now. Oh, well. I`m with you (ph), anyway. I agree with you walking out. I think the fact that they give him a TV show at all and he comes up with these crazy statements. You know, I just think it`s appalling. It`s appalling. He`s an educated person. He just wants attention. He`s no better than a housewife on Bravo.
HINES: But you have a responsibility as a -- if you are a talk show host, I think that`s your responsibility --
BEHAR: To sit there.
HINES: Because what if everybody walked off, then where does that leave the show? Or were you sure that not everybody would walk off?
BEHAR: I didn`t merely think about it.
O`DELL: Were you getting ready to punch him?
BEHAR: No. He did say to me at one point, listen and learn something.
HINES: I know.
BEHAR: Condescending, chauvinistic annoying statement, but I thought I played along with that a little bit. But then when he made this what I thought was a bigoted statement, then I really have to tell you the truth, I felt like something pushed me out of the seat. And I couldn`t sit there any more. It was really a very spontaneous thing.
HINES: He`s very offensive. It was an adrenaline.
BEHAR: It was like that. Yes. I mean, I just couldn`t sit there, you know. It`s like have you no decency, sir? You know, I`m not going to sit here any more. Anyway, thank you, guys. Catch Patti Stanger in the new season of "Millionaire Matchmaker" tomorrow night on Bravo.
Up next, legendary actor, Richard Dreyfuss.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you the guy who we cut down in Guatemala in 1981?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And the question is who did you fly out of there?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don`t have any idea what you`re getting into. First of all, you can`t touch me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sure we can.
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BEHAR: That was Richard Dreyfuss getting bitch slapped in the new action thriller "Red." He`s also starred in such classics as "Jaws," "Close Encounters of the Third Kind, "Mr. Holland`s Opus, and "The Goodbye Girl," for which he won the Oscar for best actor. We want to welcome the great actor, Richard Dreyfuss. You are a great actor, I think. You`re a wonderful actor.
RICHARD DREYFUSS, ACTOR: I am, aren`t I?
BEHAR: Yes, you are. Now, early in the week, a reporter asked you why you did this movie, and you said I did it for the money. That`s a very refreshing answer. Did you really do it for the money?
DREYFUSS: I do most of the films I do now for money, but this one was also because of the cast.
BEHAR: Well, Helen Mirren and --
DREYFUSS: Unbelievable cast. Morgan and Bruce and --
BEHAR: John Malkovich.
DREYFUSS: Brian Cox and John. And it was really amazing. Mary Louise Parker. I mean, geez.
BEHAR: Look, you know, the combined age of the cast is a thousand.
DREYFUSS: Yes.
BEHAR: OK. They`re calling it --
DREYFUSS: Actually, that`s a lie because I lie about my age.
BEHAR: You don`t --
DREYFUSS: That`s actually about a thousand and four.
BEHAR: A thousand and four. They`re calling it a geriaction picture. I mean, the geriaction picture is the new Hollywood formula for success they`re saying, I believe, in "Time" magazine.
DREYFUSS: And yet we go on and on and on and get poorer and poorer and poorer. And you -- I have to say this first.
BEHAR: Yes.
DREYFUSS: I`m doing a play here in November. And everyone has to go and see it. It`s only going to be here for one month. And it`s about a guy named Heshal, Rabbi Heshal (ph). And you`ll know that I`m here because I`m going to be on every bus in New York for November.
BEHAR: OK.
DREYFUSS: You`ll get sick of me. Just going from Madison to Lexington.
BEHAR: OK. We`ll be slur to check that out.
DREYFUSS: Thank you.
BEHAR: Now, you played a bad guy in "Red" and you also played a bad guy in "W," one of my favorite movies. So funny.
DREYFUSS: Which you said I would never do. He would never do that. He would never play Dick Cheney. He`s a liberal.
BEHAR: I was wrong. I was wrong. But was it hard to play Dick Cheney?
DREYFUSS: It`s a big person --
BEHAR: Where did you find in yourself -- because I know that you`re not a fan of Cheney. I know that.
DREYFUSS: I`m not a fan of Cheney`s.
BEHAR: OK. Where did you find it in yourself to go down and find that satanic spot that we all know so well?
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DREYFUSS: Are you leading me somewhere? First of all, every actor likes the play bad guys.
BEHAR: Yes.
DREYFUSS: And it just so happen in the last few years I played all Republican bad guys.
BEHAR: Oh, yes.
DREYFUSS: That`s just a coincidence. And to play Dick Cheney, all I had to do was find my Dick Cheney. And you can find all the villainy in the world in your own heart, and that`s what an actor`s job is.
BEHAR: That`s right.
DREYFUSS: I always say to kids, inside you is Hitler and Jesus. And you got to find the appropriate person and bring them out.
BEHAR: OK. You know, it just so happens while we`re on the topic of Cheney, the guy that he shot a few years ago, remember that guy?
DREYFUSS: Yes.
BEHAR: He just emerged yesterday or something or the day before.
DREYFUSS: Does he have a hole in his face?
BEHAR: Last week, whenever it was. I don`t know about a hole in his face, but he has buckshot, still has like 30 shots. And the way I read it, Cheney has still not apologized for that.
DREYFUSS: In my research, you know, to do Cheney.
BEHAR: Yes.
DREYFUSS: I started to hunt and I wanted to invite you to go hunting with me.
BEHAR: Me?
DREYFUSS: Yes. Just stand over here and I`ll stand over here. I promise not to hit you.
BEHAR: And so --
DREYFUSS: So let`s go.
BEHAR: OK. One of these days. I don`t think so. I really don`t care for hunting in the least. I don`t.
DREYFUSS: I only eat meat that was raised vegetarian.
BEHAR: Oh.
DREYFUSS: Yes.
BEHAR: You mean like grass-fed meat?
DREYFUSS: I mean meat that`s made of grass.
BEHAR: Meat that`s made of grass.
DREYFUSS: Mm-mm.
(LAUGHING)
BEHAR: The elections are just a few weeks away.
DREYFUSS: They are?
BEHAR: Yes. What they call the midterm elections.
DREYFUSS: Yes.
BEHAR: And are you surprised at the level of uncivil discourse that`s going on in the country right now?
DREYFUSS: I`m not surprised because we don`t teach anything about the running of the country any more to the kids. And one of the things, one of the reasons I wanted to come on the show is to say that because we don`t teach how to run the country when we know sooner or later it will be their turn to run the country, we are failing our children completely and utterly.
So, I am going to have a conversation in cyberspace, the American bar is involved, the PTA, the girl scouts and rotary and a bunch of others and we`re going to talk about one thing. The first question is are you comfortable or uncomfortable thinking about the future of the nation in 30 years? And so far, this strut (ph) poll is 100 percent uneasy.
BEHAR: Right.
DREYFUSS: Which is completely different than at any other time in American history because we own the future.
BEHAR: Right. Are you interested in running for political office?
DREYFUSS: No. That`s a step down.
BEHAR: It`s a step down. I feel that way, too.
DREYFUSS: But, the point I want to make is this. I want to ask every history teacher, every civics teacher to put up a little note on the board that says, I want a more rigorous training in running the country before it`s our turn to run the country.
BEHAR: OK.
DREYFUSS: And have every kid in the class sign it and send it to me at the Dreyfussinitiative.org. You do that and I will prove how much political power you really have.
BEHAR: Very good. Thank you. We`ll have more with Richard Dreyfuss in just a bit. That`s good.
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DREYFUSS: Well, this is not a boat accident. There wasn`t any propeller. There wasn`t any coral reef. And it wasn`t Jack the ripper. It was a shark.
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BEHAR: I`m back with Richard Dreyfuss. You were quite young there, Richard.
DREYFUSS: I was at one time quite young and for many years.
BEHAR: Weren`t we all?
DREYFUSS: Yes.
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BEHAR: These are Twitter question, people have -- do you know what Twitter is? Twittering?
DREYFUSS: I hear about tweet.
BEHAR: Why do you do it like that?
DREYFUSS: Because they like that complete sentences.
BEHAR: OK.
(LAUGHING)
BEHAR: Well, OK. So --
DREYFUSS: They`re doing their best to lower the level of American intelligence. I just wanted to let you know that. I Twitter.
BEHAR: OK. But these are the question just in case from people who do enjoy twittering, illiterate though we may be. So, how did you like working with Streisand in "Nuts" someone wants to say?
(LAUGHING)
BEHAR: Why is that funny?
DREYFUSS: It was funny.
BEHAR: Are you going to answer all the questions like as if you`re tweeting them? OK. All righty. You`ve been married three times. What`s the hardest thing about marriage?
DREYFUSS: The hardest thing about marriage is to say you`re sorry and not to demand to be right all the time.
BEHAR: So, is that what caused the three breakups?
DREYFUSS: No, they were different. One I was hunting.
BEHAR: You were hunting.
(LAUGHING)
DREYFUSS: And the other I was twittering and this one was perfect.
BEHAR: You`re still married to this one?
DREYFUSS: Oh, boy.
BEHAR: And how long have you been married to this wife?
DREYFUSS: 50,000 years.
BEHAR: It went by just like --
DREYFUSS: I mean, I imagine she was born in St. Petersburg, Russia.
BEHAR: Oh, she`s a Russian.
DREYFUSS: And what it took for God to get us together was like it took maybe 50, 60 lifetimes, you know, to get us together.
BEHAR: How did you meet her?
DREYFUSS: It`s too magical, and you know, with Twitter, you can`t really tell the story.
BEHAR: No, but you can tell me. I still have a minute.
DREYFUSS: It was a hotel.
BEHAR: Yes.
DREYFUSS: That`s enough.
BEHAR: OK. Let`s see.
DREYFUSS: That`s the problem with Twitter because it doesn`t allow substance.
BEHAR: I know. But these are just jumping off points, Richard. You can be substantive if you want.
DREYFUSS: Not really.
BEHAR: OK. Then don`t. All right. Is he musically talented in real life.
DREYFUSS: No. although, I have a patent for visual music.
BEHAR: Is that so?
DREYFUSS: Yes.
BEHAR: Now, the other thing is, you know, I was reading that you were quite a cocaine addict at one point.
DREYFUSS: I was. I was. It was hard to find glue, so I -- yes.
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DREYFUSS: I lived through the 1970s.
BEHAR: You lived through the 1970s. A lot of coc.
DREYFUSS: You remember the 1970s.
BEHAR: I do remember the 1970s, but I don`t like drugs. They make me eat.
(LAUGHING)
DREYFUSS: And you had the problem in the 1980s and the 1990s, too.
BEHAR: A lot.
DREYFUSS: Of not eating.
BEHAR: Of eating. They know. Like marijuana, you guys, you take a hit on that. What it will do is you raid the refrigerator. It`s such a fat. It makes you fat. So, you`re not if you`re not doing it. How long ago did you kick the coke habit? Then I got to go.
DREYFUSS: Kick the coke habit?
BEHAR: Yes, how long ago?
DREYFUSS: Pen click, pen click.
BEHAR: Pen click, yes.
DREYFUSS: 1983.
BEHAR: 1983. That`s quite a while ago. So, you`re nice, clean and sober and you look great, and you`re a great actor. And I`m thrilled that you came to see me.
DREYFUSS: And thank you for the coke thing.
(LAUGHING)
BEHAR: My pleasure. Mi casa Su casa. "Red" is in theaters now. Good night, everybody.
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