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Denise Richards Opens Up; Political Punches; Moveon.org Employee was Attacked when Trying to Approach GOP Nominee Rand Paul; Springer is Celebrating the 20th Anniversary in a Special Episode Taped in Times Square
Aired October 26, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW Denise Richards is in New York with ex, Charlie Sheen and their kids but Sheen landed in the hospital this morning after allegedly trashing his hotel room. Denise Richards has landed here tonight with Joy.
And the latest black mark in a very ugly campaign season. A liberal activist is tackled and stomped on by apparent supporters of Republican senate candidate Rand Paul. But is this worse than previous elections?
Speaking of fights -- Jerry Springer is here to celebrate the 20th anniversary of his show.
That and more starting right now.
JOY BEHAR, HLN HOST: Actress Denise Richards lives much of her life in the spotlight both professionally like for her roles in "Wild Things", "The World is not Enough", and "Love Actually". I didn`t even realize you were in that; and personally as a frequent target of the paparazzi for the ups and downs of her private life including her one-time marriage to actor Charlie Sheen.
She is currently taking on a new project joining the cast of Spike TV`s "Blue Mountain State" and she joins me now. Welcome to the show Denise. Thanks for doing this.
DENISE RICHARDS, ACTRESS: Thank you for having me.
BEHAR: It`s nice that your career is starting to bubble and doing a new series on Spike TV. That`s great.
RICHARDS: Thank you. I`m thrilled.
BEHAR: We`ll talk about that.
RICHARDS: Ok.
BEHAR: I want to talk about Charlie first.
RICHARDS: Ok.
BEHAR: Let`s get that done. He came to New York. Charlie came to New York with you and your two girls.
RICHARDS: With me and the girls. This is their first time in New York and I had this trip planned for a couple of months to do press here and wanted to bring the girls a couple days ahead of time and let them enjoy New York, us enjoy New York, and he wanted to come along with us.
BEHAR: Ok. And then early this morning the cops were called to his hotel room and he was taken to the hospital. What happened?
RICHARDS: Well, first of all I`m just going to say that I was scheduled to be here ahead of time. And I have an obligation to promote the show.
BEHAR: On my show.
RICHARDS: Absolutely.
BEHAR: Yes.
RICHARDS: I wanted to fulfill that.
BEHAR: Thank you.
RICHARDS: But, you know, as far as what happened and what went on, I`d rather leave that for Charlie to discuss if that`s something he wants to do since it is very personal and private.
BEHAR: Well, I only know what the reports were.
RICHARDS: I haven`t read any reports.
BEHAR: Here are the reports. The police arrived to find Charlie drunk and naked in his room, tables and chairs thrown around the room -- $7,000 worth of damage to the room.
RICHARDS: Ok.
BEHAR: He had been out partying and returned with a woman to the room. Those are the reports.
RICHARDS: Ok.
BEHAR: So you don`t know what exactly happened. Did you go to the hospital with him?
RICHARDS: I do know what happened. I would rather --
BEHAR: You do know. You just don`t want to talk about.
RICHARDS: I would rather Charlie did. I did help him at the hospital.
BEHAR: You did go to the hospital with him.
RICHARDS: Yes.
BEHAR: So how is he doing? Is that -- can you tell me that?
RICHARDS: I`ll let you ask Charlie.
BEHAR: When is he coming on my show?
RICHARDS: Maybe we`ll get him on tomorrow.
BEHAR: You think so?
RICHARDS: No, you know what? The thing is, it`s very -- my daughters are 5 and 6 years old and they`re at an age where they can start to understand. They have no idea what went on, and a lot of our stuff happened when they were much younger, which I am so grateful for.
We`re in an amazing place. We`ve been getting along great for the last year and a half. And, you know, we`re doing our best so as far as that situation I`m trying to protect the girls from it as much as possible.
BEHAR: Of course. I understand that.
RICHARDS: Thank you.
BEHAR: I understand, you want to protect your children. I have a child. I have a daughter your age.
RICHARDS: Were you 12 when you had her?
BEHAR: I was about 12. But I do. I know how old you are and my daughter is about the same age as you.
RICHARDS: Ok. Perfect. Thank you.
BEHAR: So, I`m sympathetic to a parent`s plight.
RICHARDS: Thank you.
BEHAR: Absolutely. You know, I read about the breakup that you had in 2006 after four years of marriage. I mean, allegations that you feared for your safety and there were drugs and gambling involved. I mean, I find it incredible that you two could be friends. I know people who are divorced after, you know, the guy just maybe cheated on her.
RICHARDS: Right.
BEHAR: And they hate each other. This is something. How did you do that?
RICHARDS: You know, it`s all about my girls. It`s important to -- it`s not about he and I. It`s about our kids. I`m grateful that we`re in a good place with each other to be able to go to birthday parties together and school functions together and have dinner together. It only benefits our daughters.
BEHAR: Do you think -- is he a good father? Does he do that part of his life well?
RICHARDS: He comes over for dinner. He, you know, is at school functions. He comes to birthday parties. Yes.
BEHAR: He does have addiction issues. He`s been trying I know a long time now trying to conquer it.
RICHARDS: Definitely.
BEHAR: It seems to be a losing battle for this poor guy. You know?
RICHARDS: He`s their dad and I have a lot of faith in him and --
BEHAR: He doesn`t show up drunk does he when he goes to these parties and things with the kids does he?
RICHARDS: You know, I would never allow that, no.
BEHAR: No. You have to protect your children.
RICHARDS: And I always do and I always have and I will continue.
BEHAR: Yes. You know, it sounds like it`s easier to be friends with him than be married to him.
RICHARDS: You know, a lot -- we did early on have -- I have a lot of great memories still of Charlie and there was a time where we were in love with each other and we had two babies together and I married him. I didn`t go into the marriage thinking we were going to get divorced.
BEHAR: Of course not.
RICHARDS: Things are -- ended the way they did but I`ve moved on. We`ve moved past that. You know, now it`s about the kids. That`s it.
BEHAR: How old are your children? Tell me again.
RICHARDS: Five and six; kindergarten and first grade.
BEHAR: Sam and Lola right? Two girls.
RICHARDS: Sam and Lola, yes. Two girls.
BEHAR: I`m sure they`re beautiful like their mother. Do you talk to them about the things that are happening?
RICHARDS: No.
BEHAR: Like today for instance.
RICHARDS: No, no, no. They know nothing.
BEHAR: They know nothing. So they`re sequestered and you`re not going to have to -- you protect them from the paparazzi.
RICHARDS: I try to. I mean, the paparazzi is there. My daughters don`t like the paparazzi. A lot of people say they don`t look too happy in photos. They`re very happy girls. They just don`t like photographers and people yelling their names and that sort of thing. They`re a bit shy that way.
As far as what went on, you know, they`re at the American Girl store, they`re enjoying New York, they came to a few of my interviews today.
BEHAR: Right. They`re just cute.
RICHARDS: Life goes on as is and they`re young enough thank God to not pick up the paper and turn on the computer.
BEHAR: Yes. It`s interesting, though, that Charlie, no matter what happens to him, he always goes back to "Two and a Half Men". I mean it`s incredible. That particular part of his life continues to be sustained. Do you think it`s because he is such a great moneymaker for them that they keep taking him back?
RICHARDS: I think it`s a great show. A lot of people love it. It`s CBS`s number one comedy and, you know, it`s been on for a long time.
BEHAR: I think, now let`s talk about your acting career. You`re in Blue Mountain State where you play the ex-wife of a football coach. Let`s take a look at the clip.
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RICHARDS: Oh, my.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, wow.
RICHARDS: This is not the girls` locker room.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.
RICHARDS: This isn`t usually where I change. What are you doing here?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, I`m just -- well, sitting.
RICHARDS: Well, you know what? If you behave yourself, maybe I`ll let you see my pom poms.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I love pom poms.
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BEHAR: You know, people ask me that all the time. Can I see your pom poms?
RICHARDS: Don`t they?
BEHAR: I`m not showing my pom poms. I don`t care if you guys beg me, and you have. These pom poms are staying right here.
RICHARDS: I`m always showing my pom poms.
BEHAR: You going to stir things up a little bit? Your character in this show, huh?
RICHARDS: Yes, this is a very funny show. I think "Blue Mountain State" is totally an unrated comedy. Spike`s -- one of their great shows, it`s their second season, and I was thrilled that they asked me to do this season.
I have a fun character, work with great people. My character gets to do a lot of fun stuff.
BEHAR: Do you like being called a sex symbol? I know you posed for Playboy in 2004.
RICHARDS: I did.
BEHAR: Do you like that image? Would you like to be called a serious actress?
RICHARDS: You know, I think that when I`m much older I`ll be able to think, oh, I was part of this amazing pop culture. Playboy is a huge part of our culture. I don`t, you know, I was proud of my layout. It was shortly, five months after I had a baby and all of that. But it doesn`t --
BEHAR: It was five months after you had a baby and you posed naked in Playboy.
RICHARDS: I did.
BEHAR: My God. I love that. Did you really?
RICHARDS: I had to, you know --
BEHAR: So you were flat right away. Well you were young but still -- your belly was flat, everything?
RICHARDS: You know, I was lucky -- we have good genetics in my family. But I work hard --
BEHAR: Genetics in your family?
RICHARDS: Good genetics in my family.
BEHAR: Yes. I see that.
RICHARDS: My family is very thin as far as the body goes. But I work hard. I do Pilates. I take good care of myself. Clean living.
BEHAR: How do you feel about plastic surgery?
RICHARDS: Well, I had my breasts done, so --
BEHAR: Bigger or smaller?
RICHARDS: Bigger.
BEHAR: Oh, sure.
RICHARDS: So that`s it.
BEHAR: Didn`t you have a couple -- I read that you had three boob jobs.
RICHARDS: I did.
BEHAR: What happened?
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BEHAR: Those pom poms were bigger then they were smaller then they were bigger, now they`re smaller? What?
RICHARDS: I think that it`s important -- I wish that I knew what I know now then obviously.
BEHAR: Like what?
RICHARDS: I probably wouldn`t have done it. It was -- I think for young girls, I was 19 years old. My roommate had them. She looked fabulous. And so I was insecure about the way my body looked and decided to do that but I had a lot of different problems with it and complications and different things. But I think everyone is obviously entitled to whatever they want to do to their body.
BEHAR: Sure. Listen, I love botox myself. I enjoy it. And, you know, whatever people want to do is ok with me. I don`t judge that at all -- at all. And as you get older in the industry you want more parts and everything. You know? It`s interesting that a beautiful girl like you has self-esteem issues about your body though.
RICHARDS: I feel better now than I did at 19. At 19 I was more insecure about my body and now I feel much more comfortable and confident in my skin now --
BEHAR: Right, right.
RICHARDS: -- as things fall.
BEHAR: As they fall. I know. I know, gravity is a bitch.
RICHARDS: Whatever.
BEHAR: Now, you have also a line of hair care products. Which you`re -- where are you selling those?
RICHARDS: We`re going to be doing mass market. I just teamed up with Christophe who has a lot of different salons.
BEHAR: Oh Christophe I love him.
RICHARDS: Yes and something I`ve been wanting to do for a really long time.
BEHAR: Yes.
RICHARDS: I have tried every hair care product out there and -- and - - but definitely wanting to do something that I can have some control over and be involved with instead of just putting my name on it. So I`m definitely involved --
BEHAR: So it`s just going to called Denise? What`s it going to call?
RICHARDS: We`re still working on the name. Yes.
BEHAR: Oh, ok, maybe some of the tweeters will lend you some --
RICHARDS: Well, send over a good name.
BEHAR: Yes, ok, thank you so much for doing this.
RICHARDS: Thank you for having me.
BEHAR: Good luck to you.
RICHARDS: Thank you.
BEHAR: Ok. Check out Denise Richards on "Blue Mountain State" starting tomorrow night at 11:00 on Spike TV.
We`ll be back in a minute.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up a little later on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW. Jerry Springer drops by to look back at 20 years as host of "The Jerry Springer Show".
Now back to Joy.
BEHAR: As the elections get closer the politics get uglier. A female MoveOn.org supporter was shoved to the ground and stomped by supporters of Tea Party favorite Rand Paul outside the Kentucky senatorial debate last night. Verbal sparring is one thing, but have we finally crossed the line?
With me now to discuss this and more is Roy Sekoff, founding editor of "The Huffington Post". Hi Roy.
ROY SEKOFF, FOUNDING EDITOR, THE HUFFINGTON POST: Hey, Joy.
BEHAR: You know his name is Tim Profit and he has not been charged yet with anything.
SEKOFF: Yes.
BEHAR: Just FYI, we just found that out.
SEKOFF: Yes.
BEHAR: What does it say about the discourse that`s going on right now --
SEKOFF: Yes.
BEHAR: -- and people are beating each other up?
SEKOFF: Yes.
Well, this is what happens when you spend months and months and millions of dollars demonizing the other side.
BEHAR: Yes the other.
SEKOFF: Right?
As soon as somebody you disagree with is the moral equivalent of Hitler it kind of allows the next step to be, well, shouldn`t I do something about the moral equivalent of Hitler? And so violence ensues.
BEHAR: I see.
SEKOFF: And I think what has happened with our campaigns, they used to be a market place of ideas. Not anymore. Right?
BEHAR: No.
SEKOFF: I mean they`ve become like demolition derbies. You bang on each other. You back into the guy. You throw your mom --
BEHAR: Right.
SEKOFF: -- and whoever is the last man standing wins. And I think that`s what`s happened now. We spend campaigns, Joy, with these ominous, horrible attack ads. Right? The crazy music, the dark things and everybody, he hates America. He is shipping jobs away. You know, crazy stuff.
BEHAR: Right, we`ve been hearing a lot of that.
SEKOFF: And that`s what we hear and you get it pumped up and pumped up and I think if you have these 30-second sound bites they last like a year now. You`re just pummelled with them and pummelled with them and finally I think what happens is it escalates to this point where you -- where you go off the rail.
BEHAR: Right.
But this isn`t -- doesn`t this give the Tea Parties a bad reputation? I mean, they are not supposed -- they`re only supposed to be fiscally interested according to what I`ve read.
SEKOFF: Yes.
BEHAR: And yet I see a lot of bomb throwing and Rand Paul by the way, his campaign calls it incredibly unfortunate. Well, that`s an understatement.
SEKOFF: Yes. I mean, we don`t see --
BEHAR: The girl`s head was being pummeled.
SEKOFF: Yes -- we -- we don`t see much of that kind of putting the head on the curb and stomping it on the other side.
BEHAR: Yes.
SEKOFF: Let`s -- let`s be honest, you know.
BEHAR: I mean, maybe the Brits would say that it`s incredibly unfortunate.
SEKOFF: It was very rude.
BEHAR: This is America.
SEKOFF: It was rather rude the way her head smashed against the cement. Yes, it`s terrible.
BEHAR: Didn`t a lot of these -- these ugly ads start with Willy Horton? Remember the Willy Horton ad --
SEKOFF: Oh yes.
BEHAR: -- with George H.W. Bush?
SEKOFF: Yes, yes.
BEHAR: H.W., right.
SEKOFF: Yes, against Dukakis.
BEHAR: Yes, it`s against Dukakis --
SEKOFF: Yes.
BEHAR: -- where they had the revolving door and this guy Willy Horton --
SEKOFF: Yes.
BEHAR: -- he was a fugitive.
SEKOFF: He had gotten out on parole and ended up, you know, raping and murdering somebody.
BEHAR: Right.
SEKOFF: And so you know. Yes and then what I think, you know --
BEHAR: Do you consider, also, the fact that they said to Dukakis, I remember this, they said if your wife were raped --
SEKOFF: That`s right. That`s right.
BEHAR: -- would you still be -- would you be for the death penalty? And he said no. Is that what Sarah Palin would call a gotcha question?
SEKOFF: Yes. Certainly, I mean that`s what we`re living for now.
BEHAR: Yes.
SEKOFF: I mean, we can go back to "Where is the Beef?" They want to have that sizzle moment. I think -- I think the other metaphor is that campaigns are now like a mine field.
BEHAR: Yes.
SEKOFF: And you`re just trying not to step on the mine. You`re not trying to have that horrible moment that they replay again and again. So it`s either looking for the -- Joy, I mean, where are the -- if somebody came out and said, you know what? Here is my ten-point plan for lowering the deficit, you know --
BEHAR: Boring.
SEKOFF: It`s right, you know what is it, but if you say, hey. You know, what did Sharron Angle say? Man up, Harry Reid.
BEHAR: Yes, yes.
SEKOFF: Man -- you know suddenly -- so suddenly that gets the buzz.
BEHAR: We`ll get to Sharron Angle in the next segment.
SEKOFF: Yes, of course, you`ll have to.
BEHAR: I had a few words of wisdom for her today.
SEKOFF: Did you now? Yes I think I saw that.
BEHAR: We`ll get to that.
But now Frank Caprio, the Democrat running for governor of Rhode Island --
SEKOFF: Yes.
BEHAR: -- he said President Obama can take his decision not to endorse any of the candidates and shove it.
SEKOFF: Yes, yes.
BEHAR: Now, what is he so angry about? He didn`t -- Obama didn`t endorse either candidate.
SEKOFF: Right. There are three in the race in Rhode Island.
BEHAR: There are three -- Chafee is on the liberal ticket?
SEKOFF: Well, he`s an independent.
BEHAR: Independent.
SEKOFF: So there -- and actually the Democrat is more conservative than the independent in this case. And -- and Lincoln Chafee also endorsed Obama in 2008.
BEHAR: Right.
SEKOFF: So, you know, he is playing it down the -- down the middle.
BEHAR: So why didn`t Obama endorse Chafee then?
SEKOFF: Well, I think he is trying not to go against the Democrat. He`s trying to take it you know, sort of play the disassociated thing. But I think this guy is just doing the Hail Mary desperation pass.
BEHAR: You think.
SEKOFF: Well, if we know Joe Wilson yelled, "You lied" --
BEHAR: That`s right.
SEKOFF: -- and he raised $3 million, right?
BEHAR: Right.
SEKOFF: So this guy is getting no press and so to get some press at the last week, he said, you know, take this job and shove it. Take this endorsement and shove it. I mean, it`s within the own Democratic Party so it`s a little bit ridiculous.
BEHAR: Right.
SEKOFF: But we are talking about it.
BEHAR: We are talking about it.
Well, there are things to talk about and then things to vote for.
SEKOFF: Well --
BEHAR: There are two different things.
SEKOFF: But -- but where are those ideas being discussed? You`re right.
BEHAR: Yes.
SEKOFF: I mean, this -- to me this is not --
BEHAR: So is it being discussed maybe on NPR.
SEKOFF: Yes you know but this to me this isn`t the nastiest campaign. It`s the stupidest and most infantile campaign. I mean, we -- we have two wars going on, we have almost double digit unemployment.
BEHAR: Right.
SEKOFF: You know the economy is not bouncing back. And what are we talking about -- we`re talking about that in college Rand Paul had a secret Aqua Buddha society?
BEHAR: Yes.
SEKOFF: You know this is what -- and here`s a thing --
BEHAR: That sounds like a fat guy`s after shaving lotion.
SEKOFF: Yes.
BEHAR: What is it Aqua Buddha --
SEKOFF: Yes, that you know, is the secret society like Skull & Bones.
BEHAR: Yes, yes.
SEKOFF: But here`s what comes down to for me. I live in California - -
BEHAR: Yes.
SEKOFF: And they probably spent $250 million on the race for governor between Meg Whitman and Jerry Brown. I mean we`re talking endless ads, constantly.
BEHAR: Right.
SEKOFF: Every other commercial. If you called most people in the state and you ask them what has this campaign been about? What did they tell you? They`d say well I think Meg Whitman had an illegal maid and somebody on Jerry Brown`s campaign called somebody a whore. Right?
BEHAR: Right.
SEKOFF: That`s the end result of $250 million being spent.
BEHAR: Absolutely. Let`s not forget when Dick Cheney told Patrick Leahy to go do something to himself we can`t say hear. Even though I could and get bleeped but I won`t.
All right, we`ll continue this in just a minute with the Sharron Angle. I want to talk about her.
SEKOFF: Let`s bring that.
BEHAR: Yes.
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BEHAR: With midterm elections only a week away we`re seeing an increase in negative attack ads. Here is the latest from race-baiting Sharron Angle who`s running against Harry Reid in the Nevada senate race. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Waves of illegal aliens streaming across our border joining violent gangs, forcing families to live in fear.
And what is Harry Reid doing about it? Voting to give illegal aliens social security benefits, tax breaks, and college tuition, voting against declaring English our national language twice.
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BEHAR: Roy Sekoff, founding editor of the Huffington Post is with me. You know, she is a race baiter. Does she realize that she is brazenly racist in this ad or is she going to spin that in some way?
SEKOFF: Let me think, Joy. Look, the thing we know is that those guys, you know, the ominous, horrible, dark looking guys, they`ve used those same guys in three different ads in three different states. They get around a lot.
BEHAR: I challenge her to run that ad in the south Bronx and see how she gets along up there and come and do like maybe a town meeting in the south Bronx. See how that works for you, Ms. Angle.
SEKOFF: We saw how well it worked when she spoke to the Hispanic kids at that high school and she said you know what? I don`t see color almost. As a matter of fact, you look Asian to me. Did you see that? She couldn`t tell the difference between the Latin kids -- Latino kids and the Asian kids.
BEHAR: I can`t decide which is more dangerous, somebody who is smart and a racist or someone who is stupid like she is and a racist. Which is worse? They`re both horrible.
SEKOFF: Any time smart people do stupid things that hurts me a little more. Joy, I need to ask you. You`ve been on a bit of a roll lately.
BEHAR: Yes.
SEKOFF: You walked off the set with O`Reilly.
BEHAR: Yes.
SEKOFF: Today you had a few choice words for Sharron Angle.
BEHAR: Yes.
SEKOFF: I think you need to get away from TV. You`ve been watching too many of these ads, you know. They`re getting to you, girl.
BEHAR: You know, the thing about me is I really can`t stand when someone is a race baiter. I don`t like it. But I feel propelled to say things like that. And that`s how I am.
No one in my family ever told me to shut up and that was their problem. No one told me to shut up and I still won`t.
SEKOFF: I think that`s great, you know. And, I think the thing is, in fact, we have to look at that because it`s getting worse in the sense that they`ve been playing the fear card for many years. As you said Willy Horton, they play the race card.
BEHAR: That`s right.
SEKOFF: I mean it`s the ominous, the scary, the other. We`ve seen a lot more of this since Obama became president, you know.
BEHAR: Right.
SEKOFF: But I think what`s getting scary is we`re now seeing that fear-mongering mixed with real thuggery.
BEHAR: Right.
SEKOFF: The woman getting her head stepped on. Joe Miller, his goons handcuffing that reporter --
BEHAR: When does the Republican (INAUDIBLE) establishment, when does Karl Rove get on television and say "I denounce these people. I denounce these ads. This is not what the Republican Party of Eisenhower and Abraham Lincoln stood for." When does he do that?
SEKOFF: I think we`d be waiting a long, long, long time to hear that. I mean that`s not going to come because that`s page one in their playbook. Demonize. You know? Scare. Play to our lizard brain as opposed to our intellect.
They don`t have any ideas. There are no ideas being put forward by this candidate. The other things that I think we`re seeing, we`re seeing a lot of these candidates who are not ready for primetime.
BEHAR: Right.
SEKOFF: You know, Joe Miller, Sharron Angle, Christine O`Donnell, you know, they`re making --
BEHAR: They`re behind. Even Paladino and Christine, they`re not going to win.
SEKOFF: No, they`re not.
BEHAR: At this point it`s like beating a dead horse.
SEKOFF: I think Sharron Angle, though, she has a real shot. I think she actually is going to win because her whole trick is, you know, she`s not running because vote for me. She is running, vote for me. I`m not Harry Reid.
BEHAR: And I`m against these immigrants. That is what she is running on.
SEKOFF: Well, yes, they`re definitely lighting the torch. And I think that`s what`s happening. There is a lot of anger in the electorate. And it feels like that`s some gasoline and they`re about to throw a match on it.
BEHAR: All right. Thanks very much Roy.
Back in a minute with Jerry Springer. Oh, boy.
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ANNOUNCER: Tomorrow on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, the incomparable sir Michael Caine. Now back to Joy.
JOY BEHAR, HOST, THE JOY BEHAR SHOW: There are very few things that last for 20 years these days. Maybe a great marriage, a great bottle of wine, and of course "The Jerry Springer Show."
Joining me as he celebrates two decades on the air is the master of mayhem himself, Jerry Springer. The master of mayhem.
JERRY SPRINGER, KING OF TALK: Please don`t get up.
BEHAR: I won`t get up. Don`t get up. Unless you`re planning to hit somebody.
SPRINGER: Yes.
BEHAR: Now, last night, I want to show you something. A woman`s head was stomped.
SPRINGER: Yes.
BEHAR: By a Rand Paul supporter. Watch this tape. Before the Kentucky Senate debate. Is it just me? I mean, this is a woman from moveon.org who went to the debate and apparently she was trying to pull something off, I don`t know exactly what she was there for. And the guy just stomped on her head. One of Rand Paul`s supporters. What is this? I mean, politics is starting to look like your show.
SPRINGER: Yes, yes. It is. And obviously it ought not. I mean, you know, the show is obviously silly entertainment but this is politics. This is real life. And it is most inexcusable thing.
BEHAR: Yes.
SPRINGER: I can`t imagine what the defense is. People are allowed to show up and give their point of view. But, you know, I just don`t get it. But here`s what`s happening. I think the environment, which is spurred on by a media, a political media that is 24/7 politics.
BEHAR: Yes.
SPRINGER: That feeds all this anger and hatred now, you know, 99 percent of people act appropriately and don`t go too far with it. But there are going to be some weirdoes that are going to go to far and stomp on this young lady`s head.
BEHAR: Yes. It`s going too far. Now, you said that there is no real difference between politicians and your show`s guests. Explain yourself.
SPRINGER: Well, because of the dysfunction. The worst part about politics, though, and the people on my show.
BEHAR: The politicians.
SPRINGER: Screw each other. The politicians screw the country.
BEHAR: Right.
SPRINGER: It`s just a larger, you know.
BEHAR: And the politicians have better dental care.
SPRINGER: Yes, yes. They do.
BEHAR: That could be -- they lose their teeth a lot.
SPRINGER: You can count a politician by how many teeth he has.
(LAUGHTER)
Yes. And if you`re below three you`re on my show.
BEHAR: But you are a political guy. I mean.
SPRINGER: I have a lot of teeth.
BEHAR: You were mayor of Cincinnati in the `70s.
SPRINGER: Cincinnati. Yes.
BEHAR: You attempted to run for governor of Ohio in the `80s.
SPRINGER: I did run for governor in `82. Yes, I run for governor in `82 and lost.
BEHAR: Now, do you think that you`re more qualified than Sarah Palin to run for office?
SPRINGER: Well, that`s going to be a headline if I say that, so I won`t.
BEHAR: Say it! Say it, Jerry. Are you or not?
SPRINGER: I`ve been in politics longer.
BEHAR: Yes.
SPRINGER: I probably have. Yes, I think I.
BEHAR: She is prettier.
SPRINGER: I have nothing bad to say about her. I don`t want her to be president and we don`t agree on very much I`m sure.
BEHAR: Yes.
SPRINGER: But she is not a bad person and I think that`s in fact, if you want to go on the other side and say sometimes the problem with the liberals, those of us who are liberal, is we start demonizing the Sarah Palins of the world. And rather than simply saying, I don`t think she should be president, I disagree with her on this, that, and the other.
BEHAR: Well, we say that, too.
SPRINGER: Yes.
BEHAR: We say that too.
SPRINGER: But there is a lot -- the most powerful force in politics is resentment. Because that -- you vote your resentment because there are people who will vote for someone they know is not qualified but they`re just so angry at the establishment or whatever that they stick it to them by voting for that person.
BEHAR: I know. But that`s not the most powerful force. I mean, Obama was not voted because of people resenting him. They voted for him because they were hoping he would change the George Bush administration and make the country better.
SPRINGER: Well, I think there was a lot of resentment about the Bush administration. I don`t know in a different environment if it hadn`t been all the anti-Bush feeling of the last eight years and the feeling against the war, I do not believe necessarily that Barack Obama would even have been the candidate. No, he stood up early on and said.
BEHAR: Well, to have an African-American become president was a big deal.
SPRINGER: That shows you how big the war was in people`s minds.
BEHAR: Yes.
SPRINGER: The last eight years, the scars was so deep that the good side is we were ready to push aside the prejudicism.
BEHAR: Yes.
SPRINGER: So, you know what? There is a bigger issue than the prejudice. Let`s vote for the better man and I think we voted for the better man.
BEHAR: But he came in, I mean, with the worst agenda.
SPRINGER: Sure.
BEHAR: These people before him, they almost really destroyed this country in my opinion.
SPRINGER: Yes.
BEHAR: And one of the -- the better headlines of the time was "Black Man Gets Worst Job in America."
SPRINGER: Yes.
BEHAR: Because they really stuck it to Obama.
SPRINGER: Yes.
BEHAR: And now they criticize the guy all over the place because he`s not doing it exactly as fast as they want him to do it.
SPRINGER: But people on the ballot, I`m telling you, if he was on the ballot he wins again.
BEHAR: Right now.
SPRINGER: Yes.
BEHAR: Well, he`s still popular.
SPRINGER: Of course. He would win again. And believe me, if the Republicans gain control of the congress, which they very well might, for Obama`s sake, not necessarily the country`s sake, but for Obama`s sake, it`s the best thing. His chances of being re-elected are increased many fold by the fact of the matter that there would be a republican Congress. Because then, you can`t blame the Democrats for everything.
BEHAR: I see. What about Bill Clinton? He`s out on the trail. Now, see Clinton had so much charisma I think.
SPRINGER: Yes.
BEHAR: He was really very good for the country.
SPRINGER: I love him. I thought he was great.
BEHAR: And still they tried to get him with that impeachment thing on the sex scandal.
SPRINGER: Sure.
BEHAR: And now he is like a great ex-president, doesn`t he?
SPRINGER: Oh, sure. And the truth is if he ran again he`d win again.
BEHAR: He would again too.
SPRINGER: I think he would have won in 2000 if he was allowed to run again. He is incredibly popular and he`s also very, very bright. Close to brilliant but very, very bright.
BEHAR: Yes.
SPRINGER: And these people are qualified. You can`t have a serious argument and say that Barack Obama is not highly qualified, very bright, et cetera.
BEHAR: Yes.
SPRINGER: You know, there can be a debate about the policies.
BEHAR: Right.
SPRINGER: I don`t think he went far enough on some things but, you know, to suggest that he`s not qualified to be president or not a great.
BEHAR: Do you think there will be a turnout from people on the left this mid term?
SPRINGER: Not as much as there should be.
BEHAR: How do we get them out there? I mean, I`m begging people to vote.
SPRINGER: I am, too. But oftentimes in the district in which they live, there are candidates that don`t turn them on, so you can have an intellectual discussion then.
BEHAR: So, they don`t understand the larger issue?
SPRINGER: Yes, it`s not just getting to them. You know, when you advertise for a product, it`s not time related. So, for example, I could go say please buy Campbell`s soup. And it doesn`t mean that tomorrow you have to go out and get it. It means the next time you`re in the grocery store when you see Campbell`s soup, you buy it because it`s in your mind.
BEHAR: Right.
SPRINGER: But politics, you`ve got to get people off the couch for that one 12-hour period that the polls are open.
BEHAR: Why don`t they change that system then, just vote on the internet?
SPRINGER: Because it has to be changed by the people that are in power.
BEHAR: And they don`t want to change it.
SPRINGER: No. Because they`re in power.
BEHAR: This is just the same as argumentum, as campaign finance reform.
SPRINGER: Yes.
BEHAR: They`ll never fix it because they want the money and that`s why the democracy is going to hell in a hand basket because of all of these corporate donations.
SPRINGER: Exactly right.
BEHAR: It is anonymous and it`s outrageous.
SPRINGER: Right.
BEHAR: OK. I have a lot more to talk about. We`ll going to do some trash talk too. So, don`t go away. It`s not all politics and erudite stuff on this show.
(LAUGHTER)
SPRINGER: Oh, no?
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BEHAR: OK. That was one of the many fights that have made "The Jerry Springer Show" a cultural phenomenon. The talk show is now celebrating its 20th anniversary. Do you tell those people, Jerry, to yell, Jerry, Jerry?
SPRINGER: No, I don`t.
BEHAR: Do they do that spontaneously?
SPRINGER: Well, I walk down in an airport and people, you know, it`s become just part of the thing now.
BEHAR: Yes. Yes.
SPRINGER: So, you know when it`s time to cheer, that`s what they cheer.
BEHAR: Do you enjoy hearing that at the airport?
SPRINGER: I have it attached to my alarm clock. So, when I wake up in the morning, I wake up to Jerry, Jerry. It`s great for self-esteem.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: I want to ask you. You have a lot of baby daddies on your show. Have you ever had Carl Paladino on?
SPRINGER: No.
BEHAR: That would be a good booking.
SPRINGER: Yes. It would be but we don`t do anyone who is known. If you`re known you can`t be on the show.
BEHAR: OK. So you would never have like, let`s say, Mel Gibson on.
SPRINGER: No, no, no, and that`s serious, we don`t put anyone who is known on. It`s a show about people that -- in fact they don`t even use their real names in most cases.
BEHAR: Yes. Are you aware of pop culture though, Jerry, like do you know who Snooki is? Do you know that Brett Favre allegedly sent a picture of his winky to a girl?
SPRINGER: I know some things about pop culture. Yes.
BEHAR: You know about that?
SPRINGER: Yes.
BEHAR: Would you ever do that?
SPRINGER: I would text the picture of my wallet.
BEHAR: That would be smart.
SPRINGER: That`s the biggest thing I got.
BEHAR: That really turns women on.
SPRINGER: That`s it. I just have my, they say, whoa. That`s Jerry`s.
BEHAR: You have made a lot of money over the years.
SPRINGER: Oh, not as much as -- no, yes, I`ve done well.
BEHAR: You`ve done very well. Come on. Twenty years of that?
SPRINGER: Do you need a loan, Joy?
BEHAR: Oh, I`m just saying.
SPRINGER: Look at this studio. You are rolling in the money.
BEHAR: This is all put together with spit.
(LAUGHTER)
And what about Charlie Sheen? Do you see the story with Charlie Sheen today?
SPRINGER: Yes.
BEHAR: That was rough.
SPRINGER: Yes. I -- obviously he needs help. I`ve never met him but if he has a drug or drinking problem, these people need help. What happens with all of these?
BEHAR: Yes.
SPRINGER: Cases where there`s drinking or drugs involved, is the rest of us sit around then and wonder how could he do that?
BEHAR: Yes.
SPRINGER: Well, because we`re having a rational discussion. When someone is an alcoholic or when someone is a.
BEHAR: Drug addict.
SPRINGER: Drug addict.
BEHAR: Yes.
SPRINGER: They`re not thinking rationally. So this discussion about how could he do something like that is an absurd question. It`s because.
BEHAR: They`re addicted.
SPRINGER: Yes.
BEHAR: I understand that. But what about this addiction to hookers that people seem to have? And then they go into sex rehab for that. I don`t get that part either. Why would you go into rehab for that?
SPRINGER: You mean, why do you want to get with -- sounds like a good thing, why do you wanted to.
BEHAR: No, I`m just saying, they pull it in addiction, I don`t know if that...
SPRINGER: Well, I think that`s -- you know what? It could be political correctness to be honest. You know, your publicist comes to you and says, you got to do something to say you`re sorry.
BEHAR: Right.
SPRINGER: So, you`re going.
BEHAR: I mean, Gerald the plumber, not the original Joe, the famous one but any guy, working guy.
SPRINGER: Bob the plumber.
BEHAR: Bob the plumber, if he goes to hookers no one is saying to him, you have to go into rehab.
SPRINGER: Of course. Yes.
BEHAR: Only rich people go to sex rehab. It`s a joke.
SPRINGER: Yes.
BEHAR: OK. What is the secret of your success then do you think on your show?
SPRINGER: Pure luck. You find a niche and it`s luck. I mean it`s pure luck. I don`t mean like mostly luck. And I`m not trying to be silly humble here. I`m just telling you the truth.
BEHAR: That does not play with you so don`t be humble please.
SPRINGER: No. Everybody could do what I do.
BEHAR: Yes.
SPRINGER: Everybody. You don`t even have to be sober to do what I do.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: In fact, you`re not.
SPRINGER: I am. Because honestly I don`t drink. But what do I do? I say, did you what? Come on out. We`ll be right back. If you do that, you can host the show.
BEHAR: I know. I notice you`re always really out of the violence.
SPRINGER: I don`t want to be up there.
BEHAR: You don`t want to get hit.
SPRINGER: I could get hurt.
BEHAR: But you.
SPRINGER: Look at these suits.
BEHAR: I know.
SPRINGER: I should get.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Nice Jewish boy like you getting involved in this show.
SPRINGER: Yes. It`s a shonda.
BEHAR: It is shonda, is what it is.
SPRINGER: It`s a shonda.
BEHAR: It is, it`s a shonda. Tell the gentiles out there what a shonda is.
SPRINGER: It`s a shame.
BEHAR: It`s a shame.
SPRINGER: Yes. It`s a shame on your family.
BEHAR: Exactly.
SPRINGER: I told you, have I told you this? My parents were still, if my mother was still alive I never would do this show. That is true.
BEHAR: Really? What would your mother have said?
SPRINGER: Gerald -- I wouldn`t have. I wouldn`t have been embarrassed. I never would have -- I know myself and that is the truth. I know, you know, my mom would be 140 today, so obviously she is not alive.
BEHAR: Yes.
SPRINGER: But if she had been alive at the time the show went in that direction, I`m sure I wouldn`t have done it because I just know my relationship with my parent. That would have just been.
BEHAR: She would have been embarrassed by it.
SPRINGER: Of course, she would. My dad would have been in the back room going, ah, Gerald.
BEHAR: Jerry, Jerry!
SPRINGER: No, it`s always Gerald, Gerald.
BEHAR: Oh, Gerald.
SPRINGER: Well, you know why they named me Gerald?
BEHAR: What?
SPRINGER: Not to bring you down.
BEHAR: OK.
SPRINGER: But, you know, I lost my family in the holocaust.
BEHAR: Mother and father both?
SPRINGER: No.
BEHAR: Extended.
SPRINGER: Grandparents, uncles, aunts, cousins. We lost 27.
BEHAR: Everybody. Auschwitz?
SPRINGER: Well, lots of them. Uncle, Auschwitz.
BEHAR: Oh, my God.
SPRINGER: But anyway, Mom and dad survived, got to England where my sister and I were born and they named me Gerald. When we came to America when I was five, we grew up in New York. My -- everyone who knows me as a kid growing up I`m Gerald because they never would have named me Gerald if they knew that the nickname for Gerald was Jerry because the German Nazi bombers were called Jerrys.
BEHAR: That`s right.
SPRINGER: So my sister, everyone, I am Gerald to my family.
BEHAR: I see. And I don`t blame them for that.
SPRINGER: Yes.
BEHAR: Now you.
SPRINGER: Plus you couldn`t have a show going, Gerald, Gerald.
BEHAR: No.
SPRINGER: Doesn`t have it.
BEHAR: No, Jaime, Jaime, Yuncle, Yuncle (ph), they don`t work either.
SPRINGER: No.
BEHAR: Now, are you hosting the anniversary show from Times Square?
SPRINGER: Yes.
BEHAR: How do you plan to celebrate that?
SPRINGER: Well, I`ll tell you the truth.
BEHAR: Yes.
SPRINGER: We already did.
BEHAR: Oh, you did. So it`s in the can.
SPRINGER: It is in the can and it airs tomorrow.
BEHAR: What time?
SPRINGER: Well, every city it`s different.
BEHAR: You`re a syndicated.
SPRINGER: We`re syndicated.
BEHAR: Yes.
SPRINGER: So it`s tomorrow the 20th anniversary show and it`s on Times Square. In fact, you`re in it.
BEHAR: I know. We did a little bit of a celebratory event.
SPRINGER: It was very funny.
BEHAR: And my crew was in it.
SPRINGER: It was great to come on Times Square, thousands of people. I mean, really, it was a lot of fun. And it was kind of like coming back to America. I mean, I got a little nostalgic at the moment because the idea of coming to America in my family was really significant.
BEHAR: Yes.
SPRINGER: And I remember when I was a kid, my parents would take me down to Times Square.
BEHAR: Oh, yes.
SPRINGER: And take you to all the statue of liberty and all that and Times Square -- and now all of a sudden to be on Times Square celebrating albeit a ridiculous television show, it was just so cool.
BEHAR: Yes.
SPRINGER: I mean, honestly, I love that.
BEHAR: You know, the thing about the business, I come from humble background also. I mean, tomorrow we`re having a President Jimmy Carter on and we`ve had some very, very important people on the show, on my show here and on "The View." And it`s a thrill. You know, it`s like, wow.
SPRINGER: It is. Yes.
BEHAR: You know, to come from.
SPRINGER: With all the joking around, exactly.
BEHAR: Yes. It is a thrill to meet these people. It is a thrill for Jimmy to meet me too.
SPRINGER: He is beside himself.
BEHAR: Right? Come on.
SPRINGER: Yes, honestly, he is so nervous he lost his accent. He`s going to have a New York accent when he comes on.
BEHAR: But let`s talk about your shows, I mean, in the 20 years that it`s been on, how has the show evolved or devolved as the case.
SPRINGER: Yes, it evolved.
BEHAR: How is it evolved, how was it exactly that way it was when you start?
SPRINGER: No. I was drinking. No.
BEHAR: Heavily.
SPRINGER: Heavily.
BEHAR: I mean, in the beginning were people throwing stuff?
SPRINGER: No. There is a very simple answer. It`s unintended consequences.
BEHAR: Yes.
SPRINGER: It started off, I was to be, because it was the same company, Phil Donahue was getting close to retirement, so the CEO, the company came to me and said, we`re starting a new talk show. You`re going to host it. I was anchoring the news at the time for the NBC affiliate in Cincinnati. So, they thought it was going to be a serious show. And they knew Phil was retiring. We were dominant in the ratings, they said, you`re going to host it. So, I was assigned. I didn`t try out or audition. Had no interest in it.
BEHAR: Yes.
SPRINGER: And so we started the show. I still did the news but I did the show during the day. And about three years -- in the beginning we had Oliver North on, Jesse Jackson. It was a serious show.
BEHAR: Yes, right.
SPRINGER: Three years in, all the shows at the time were trying to be like Oprah Winfrey. Go after, at that time it was called the middle aged housewife was the demographic. It is not politically correct now but that`s what it was called. And so, 20 shows with breaking up this pie for the same audience. Along comes Ricky Lake, she was the first talk show to go after the kids. And by that I mean high school and college.
BEHAR: The demographics changed.
SPRINGER: Right. So, I just said, why are we trying to be one out of 20 splitting the pie? Let`s go after Ricky`s audience, split the pie two ways and we`ll have a huge audience which is what we did, we went young which meant, young people in the audience, young people on stage, young subject matter. Well, young people are much more open about their lives.
BEHAR: Right.
SPRINGER: Much wild and much crazier.
BEHAR: True.
SPRINGER: So then, the show started to become a little bit crazy, not every day crazy but once in a while.
BEHAR: Right.
SPRINGER: Universal bought us and then said, from now on you`re only allowed to do crazy. So the truth is, and I tell this all the time, we are not allowed to do a straight show. For example, if you would call us with a warm, uplifting story we have to send you to another show. We`re not allowed to run it. They won`t allow it.
BEHAR: I see.
SPRINGER: So, it has to be crazy. Otherwise it`s not on.
BEHAR: That`s interesting that you say Phil Donahue retired. I think it was shows like yours that hurt Phil Donahue because his show was really smart.
SPRINGER: Yes, but he recommended me.
BEHAR: He recommended you. I`m not saying he didn`t do that but I`m just saying I used to, you know, tape Phil Donahue all the time.
SPRINGER: Oh, he was wonderful. That was the best ever.
BEHAR: I think, he should be back on TV.
SPRINGER: Yes. He and Oprah were the best.
BEHAR: We`ll take a break. We`ll have more with Jerry Springer after a very short break. OK.
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BEHAR: I`m back with Jerry Springer. Jerry, I have some twitter questions for you. Our viewers like to ask questions.
SPRINGER: Yes.
BEHAR: OK. Number one, if you left the show, who would you want to replace you?
SPRINGER: Who would I want to replace me? Oh, Barack Obama.
BEHAR: OK. Good. That will happen. OK.
SPRINGER: Well, what?
BEHAR: That`s good. Right off the top of your head. I like that.
SPRINGER: Yes.
BEHAR: Do you still sing?
SPRINGER: Poorly.
BEHAR: OK. But you did release an album in `95 called "Dr. Talk." Look at you.
SPRINGER: Yes. I thought it was.
BEHAR: You were hot, Jerry. Look how hot you look.
SPRINGER: Yes. Thanks for the voice.
BEHAR: Well, in that picture.
SPRINGER: Yes, in that picture. Oh, it was so hot.
BEHAR: You still hot as far as I`m concerned. You know I love the Jewish guy.
SPRINGER: Yes. Well, I`m warm now.
(LAUGHTER)
I`m warm and wrinkled. Yes.
BEHAR: Do guests really get free dental care?
SPRINGER: No, but sometimes they do get implants -- not implants but something to wear during the show.
BEHAR: Because people knock their teeth out?
SPRINGER: No. Just because they feel embarrassed. They want to be on the show with a full set of teeth.
BEHAR: So, you take care of them before they come on.
SPRINGER: Sometimes. Yes.
BEHAR: That`s interesting. What is the one thing you wish more people knew about you?
SPRINGER: The number of my bank accounts so they could make deposits? No. I don`t -- nothing.
BEHAR: Is there anything?
SPRINGER: I don`t want to be public. I mean, I love my job.
BEHAR: Do you have a girlfriend?
SPRINGER: I have a wife of 37 years.
BEHAR: Oh, wife. I`m sorry.
SPRINGER: Good Lord.
BEHAR: I didn`t read that part of the research. You have a wife of 37 years.
SPRINGER: Yes. She is not 37. I`ve been married 37 years.
BEHAR: Good for you. You would like it if she was 37.
SPRINGER: No, no.
BEHAR: No, you wouldn`t.
SPRINGER: She`s gorgeous. She is lovely.
BEHAR: You`re happily married for 37 years.
SPRINGER: Absolutely.
BEHAR: Good for you. And you have children?
SPRINGER: Yes.
BEHAR: How many kids do you have?
SPRINGER: We have a daughter and that`s the one that went on "Dancing with the Stars."
BEHAR: Oh, that`s right.
SPRINGER: Yes, So, Katie is -- yes, I have a picture. I shouldn`t show the picture. But, yes, he`s 2 years old. Little Richard. And he still doesn`t have a job.
BEHAR: Little Richard. Does he sing, does he play the piano and jump around?
SPRINGER: Yes. He is unbelievable. Yes. We have a daughter. She is happily married.
BEHAR: Sing "Good Golly Miss Molly." That`s where I was going.
SPRINGER: I know but you were striving so hard to get there and I wasn`t going to help you.
BEHAR: I saw that. You wouldn`t lift a finger for me since I said the 37-year-old thing.
SPRINGER: Yes.
BEHAR: OK. Do you see yourself retiring ever? When if you will?
SPRINGER: No, I mean, as long as I`m healthy, you know, I see myself doing this. I enjoy it. I enjoy what I do.
BEHAR: You should.
SPRINGER: You know, what am I going to do if I retire?
BEHAR: I don`t know. Do you have any final thoughts before we go out? We have a few seconds left.
SPRINGER: May you never be on my show. Take care of yourself and each other.
BEHAR: You know, the serious and the beauty of the way you do those final things after people have knocked each other`s teeth out is just, it`s heart warming. I don`t know what you even to say about it. I`m so.
SPRINGER: Yes. You well up.
BEHAR: I well up.
SPRINGER: Yes.
BEHAR: I well up.
SPRINGER: Yes. It`s, well, you see, that`s my only chance at getting into heaven, is the final thought.
BEHAR: Yes.
SPRINGER: I want to be able to say, you know, at the pearly gates or whatever to say, yes, but remember the final thought.
BEHAR: OK. I think it was wonderful to see you, Jerry.
SPRINGER: You are so cool.
BEHAR: It`s always a pleasure to see and to talk to you.
SPRINGER: Yes.
BEHAR: So, be sure to tune in tomorrow when Michael Caine is here. Another great artist, too. Good night everybody.
SPRINGER: You`re already cheating.
BEHAR: Already, I`m cheating.
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