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Whoopi`s View; Coulter, Sharpton Square Off on Election Eve
Aired November 01, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HLN HOST: Everybody`s making a big deal that Zach Galifianakis lit up a joint on HBO`s "Real Time with Bill Maher". Come on, it`s "The Bill Maher Show". That`s like popping Lipitor on "60 Minutes".
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, "Hangover" star, Zach Galifianakis lights up a joint on live TV.
Meanwhile, Charlie Sheen`s reps shoot down claims Sheen went on a drug-fueled bender.
We`ll have the latest on these celebs gone wild.
And "View" co-host Whoopi Goldberg is here to dish on pop culture, politics and how comedians can stay out of trouble when speaking their minds.
Plus on the eve of the election, Ann Coulter and Al Sharpton will face off on the biggest issues facing voters.
That and more starting right now.
BEHAR: This woman sits next to me five days a week and we still like each other. How do you like that? She`s my co-host, my compadre and for the next ten minutes my guest. Joining me now is my fabulous "The View" co-host and author of "Is it Just Me or is it Nuts Out There?", Whoopi Goldberg.
WHOOPI GOLDBERG, CO-HOST, "THE VIEW": Hello Joy Behar.
BEHAR: It`s funny that opening. Isn`t it?
GOLDBERG: And see into year four or five, you`re going to go we have to do this over again. Be in the first year, you say look at me. I look good. Then two or three, it`s like what the hell?
BEHAR: I know. Exactly.
GOLDBERG: Too much.
BEHAR: Exactly. I`ve already lost seven pounds since I did that ad. So I want to do it like now.
GOLDBERG: Only seven? Because you look like you lost about ten.
BEHAR: No, I haven`t.
GOLDBERG: Really?
BEHAR: I have to go on the scale Thursday and I`ll let you know.
GOLDBERG: All right.
BEHAR: Because, you know, you want to be a little -- I don`t want to be skinny, but I`d like to be a little slimmer. The boobs, they`re so heavy.
GOLDBERG: There`s nothing you can do about that now. Those are the boobs you got.
BEHAR: I know. Poor Sherri, she`s like Quasimodo half the time, you know.
GOLDBERG: But she loves them. She loves her boobs.
BEHAR: She does.
GOLDBERG: You know. But me, I could -- they`re fine. I put them behind me, in front of me, roll them up in my hair. You know? It`s too much.
BEHAR: So you know, tomorrow`s the big election.
GOLDBERG: Yes.
BEHAR: Big, I say big because this is the first time the midterm elections have even been interesting much less so acrimonious and angry and mean. Who do you think is to blame for all the negative, nasty ads that are out there? Where is that coming from?
GOLDBERG: You know, it`s just what we`ve become. You know, it`s just what we`ve become. It`s how we talk to each other. It`s how we talk about each other.
People think that that`s what you have to be now. You have to be -- you know, nasty and ugly. You know? But every now and then nasty and ugly is ok.
BEHAR: You know, they say that the positive ads don`t really resonate. People don`t respond to them.
GOLDBERG: You know it depends, doesn`t it, what the ads are saying. But they all look the same. I`m so and so and I endorse this message.
BEHAR: Yes.
GOLDBERG: You know, he doesn`t know what he is doing and he`s got to go. And then there`s the woman. He doesn`t know what he`s doing and he`s got to go. And it rolls on a sentence like a roach commercial.
BEHAR: That`s true.
GOLDBERG: It`s all the same thing. And nobody has anything real to say because they all know that you may want to go and change Washington, but it`s a long process. And there`s a lot of people to get through to do it. You know?
BEHAR: Well, you know, we get mad on "The View" from time to time and you and I recently walked off the set.
GOLDBERG: Yes.
BEHAR: A couple of weeks ago with Bill O`Reilly. And we faced some criticism for that, I think. Barbara was not happy with us, for one thing. We were being reprimanded by Barbara.
GOLDBERG: Endlessly.
BEHAR: There it is again. My main objection to this is that I look like I`m pregnant in that particular -- then I got up, I like when I go to you, come on. And the two of us just went.
GOLDBERG: We were gone.
BEHAR: What were you thinking? I know you were thinking, I don`t want to talk because I might start cussing.
GOLDBERG: Well as soon as I said -- and you guys will beep it, right? This is (EXPLETIVE DELETED). I knew I had to go because I knew what was coming.
Quite honestly, we have lots of intense discussions all the time. And some days, it`s ok, and some days it`s not. That day I just wasn`t in the mood for it. I wasn`t up for it. I wasn`t up for fighting with this man. And -- because you can`t fight what I felt was ignorance.
Now, subsequently, he has said, you know, look, I might have -- maybe I didn`t handle it right. And we said ok. As soon as he apologized, we came back out because you can`t paint people with one brush. They did it to the Italians, they did it to black people, they did it to the Irish, now they`re doing it to the Muslims. You know, you can`t do it.
BEHAR: You can`t do it. No. It`s just out of control.
GOLDBERG: No. It`s not ok.
BEHAR: It can`t be done.
GOLDBERG: And you can`t sanction it. And I felt he was sanctioning it by repeating it twice.
BEHAR: Oh, yes, he insisted he was right. But he has now backed off. He also apologized for saying to us, "I probably should not have said to Ms. Goldberg and Ms. Behar" -- he actually said it to me but he would say, "Listen and learn something."
He said, "That was probably a little too much but when you`re on the high wire that happens sometimes," which we agree with.
GOLDBERG: Live television, yes.
BEHAR: I was not really angry with him for that. Because I thought he was playing with me. Listen and learn something like a stern father. I gave him the horns behind his head. But then when the other thing came up, I felt I can`t sit here. So we got up and walked off. It started the conversation about whether you can lump Muslims together like that.
GOLDBERG: Or whether you should lump anybody. If you do, that`s like saying all Irish drink, all black people like fried chicken, all Italians are Mafioso. You can`t make those statements. And when it`s dangerous like saying the Muslims are the reason -- that they did this. That was a dangerous thing to say because it`s such a volatile situation at the moment that you can`t do that. And that was I think that`s what made it so outrageous to me. He knew --
BEHAR: And what upset us.
GOLDBERG: Yes -- he knows better than that.
BEHAR: He does.
GOLDBERG: Because he`s -- Bill and I stand shoulder to shoulder against those crazy people who protest at Fallen Soldiers` funerals.
BEHAR: We all object to that. Everyone does.
GOLDBERG: But he started, he started on that. And I found it and I got -- and I said whatever I need to do, let me do. So there are things that --
BEHAR: We agree on.
GOLDBERG: That we agree on.
BEHAR: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
GOLDBERG: But this just took it -- I think it was just not the day for it.
BEHAR: Just to keep this going for a little while about what happens on "The View" because you`re here with me. The other thing that happened while you were in London doing your "Sister Act" which I hear you got tremendous reviews when you did it and everybody loves you there, as they do here. I mean, you`re a big fat star here, let`s face it, Miss Whoopster.
GOLDBERG: Well, I`m trying to lose some weight.
BEHAR: You`re a big star and we`re thrilled to have you over there.
Besides that, I got mad at Sharron Angle last week who is running for the United States Senator, which I revere that position.
GOLDBERG: Right.
BEHAR: The United States senator to me, my God, my family came from Italy because they wanted a better life here. They respected senators and presidents and everything. And I felt that she took the office down many pegs when she ran this ad. I`m going to show it to you now.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Waves of illegal aliens streaming across our border, joining violent gangs, forcing families to live in fear. What`s Harry Reid doing about it? Voting to give illegal aliens social security benefits, tax breaks and college tuition; voting against declaring English our national language twice.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: Ok. She`s dehumanizing and vilifying an entire group of people in that ad.
GOLDBERG: This is a Dukakis ad 2011. That`s what this is, you know.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Right.
GOLDBERG: And you know you can`t keep getting away with this. Not all Hispanics are gang members. They`re not all thugs. And you -- and you ought to know better because if you`re going to be representing anyone in the United States Senate, you should know better.
BEHAR: Well, what happened was --
GOLDBERG: But she`s fear mongering.
BEHAR: She`s fear mongering.
GOLDBERG: Yes.
BEHAR: What happened on "The View" is, you know, I seem to get my dander up when there`s bigotry in the room. I can`t stand it. It makes me crazy. It`s one of those things that pushes a button. So I called her the B word, not just once a couple of times.
GOLDBERG: The B word? A baton?
BEHAR: It starts with a "b" and ends with an "h" -- we know it well - - and it rhymes with witch, which, by the way, the FCC does not object to you using the b-word on television.
GOLDBERG: You can say "bitch" on television.
BEHAR: Yes, you can say "bitch" and so they did not bleep it or anything. I just said it a few times and I said come to the south Bronx with that ad, b-word. I won`t say it again because I`m overdone on it already.
GOLDBERG: All right.
BEHAR: And what happened to me is that people are mad at me for using the b-word instead of being mad at this woman who basically is spewing this kind of bigotry and wanting to run for the United States Senate. So I just wanted to put that out there.
What do you think about that taking my -- it`s not about what I say -- it`s about what she says that counts.
GOLDBERG: No. It`s about what they want to ignore. See, it`s easier to go after you because you`re Joy Behar.
BEHAR: And I`m in the media.
GOLDBERG: And it`s easier. And you can get a lot of people who believe like you do to write a campaign -- things to "The View" and say, "We`re never going to watch again". But the truth and the reality is that ad is bad. It`s a bad ad. And I don`t think anyone sitting out there who knows that you can only judge people individually can fully say, you know what, I believe that she`s right about that.
BEHAR: Right.
GOLDBERG: I don`t care what else -- when you know that it`s one on one --
BEHAR: Right.
GOLDBERG: -- that`s how you meet people, that`s how you know, they know what that ad is.
BEHAR: Well, what I say to this is, the b-word is bigotry. That`s the b-word.
GOLDBERG: Yes.
BEHAR: I`m just getting started with Whoopi Goldberg. So don`t go anywhere. We`ll be right back.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: I`m back with my friend Whoopi Goldberg. You were speaking about something?
GOLDBERG: An idiotic ad that I saw meant to scare people away from health care benefits. Universal health care and she says, I`m from Canada and I was diagnosed with a brain tumor and when I realized I couldn`t get the help that I needed, I had to come to the United States of America where I got good health care.
Now, I`m sitting there watching this, and I`m thinking, yes, you could go to the doctor to get diagnosed. See? You didn`t have to worry about can I afford to go to the doctor because my head hurts. No, you had enough money to go to the doctor and to come to the U.S. and get your brain tumor cut out.
BEHAR: Yes.
GOLDBERG: And you`re saying you shouldn`t have socialized medicines. Sorry, babe. The ability to go to the doctor is important.
BEHAR: Yes.
GOLDBERG: For the richest person and the poorest person.
BEHAR: Well, you know, the thing about Canadian health care is that - - my understanding of it is that if you have a brain tumor or something urgent, you do get the care immediately. It`s people who have a pain here and a pain here that have to wait a little bit.
GOLDBERG: Well, she said that it took -- it was taking too long and she needed a certain kind of health care.
BEHAR: Yes.
GOLDBERG: And that`s fine, but clearly she has money.
BEHAR: I know.
Ok. Let`s talk about Zach Galifianakis.
GOLDBERG: Ah, Zach.
BEHAR: Now, what he did on "Real Time with Bill Maher" the other night on HBO --
GOLDBERG: Yes.
BEHAR: -- he pulled out a joint and he lit it up. Did you happen to see it?
GOLDBERG: I did not see it.
BEHAR: There -- you can see it now. There he is there, pulling it and smoking. Did he cross the line by smoking pot on live TV or do you think it`s a funny bit. Because no one else, look, he tried to pass it to this Republican woman. What`s her name? Hooper? Hoover. Margaret Hoover.
GOLDBERG: Look at her.
BEHAR: And the guy next is another conservative. And he wouldn`t smoke it. But Bill Maher who obviously loves to smoke pot -- he talks about it all the time -- didn`t take it either. So --
GOLDBERG: Great. I do, I think it`s great. You know? And I`m sure he had his card with him. Because you know in -- in California, if you have the health card with you that says you use it to keep yourself calm or make your digestive system work, you can go in and buy it legally.
BEHAR: Right, right.
GOLDBERG: So I`m sure Zach had his card with him. I know I`d like to have a card, Zach.
BEHAR: Isn`t it -- isn`t you must have one in California.
GOLDBERG: I don`t know what you`re talking about.
BEHAR: Ok. All I know is I`m getting a contact high just sitting here. Ok, question. The -- the thing about comedians right now, you know, you have Jon Stewart in the middle of the thing.
GOLDBERG: Right.
BEHAR: You and I are in the middle of the politics.
GOLDBERG: Right, right.
BEHAR: Zach Galifianakis --
GOLDBERG: Yes, absolutely.
BEHAR: -- is also in the middle by doing this.
GOLDBERG: Yes.
BEHAR: It`s a -- it`s a radical act pulling that joint out at this moment.
GOLDBERG: Yes.
BEHAR: What do you make of that? What`s going on with comedians?
GOLDBERT: It`s -- it`s what happens. Every ten years comics start popping up like groundhogs, you know, seeing what`s going on in the world. We`re taking our -- our --
BEHAR: Rage?
GOLDBERG: No, no -- our cue from the guys that came before like Mort Sal.
BEHAR: Oh yes.
GOLDBERG: You know and if you see it, some of us speak about it. Some folks don`t. And it`s -- you know, it keeps the balance for us.
BEHAR: But do you remember the Smothers Brothers?
GOLDBERG: Yes, hello?
BEHAR: They were -- they were doing humor that basically was protesting the Vietnam War --
GOLDBERG: Yes.
BEHAR: -- and they were taken off the air, unceremoniously.
GOLDBERG: Well, yes. But Moms Mabley, they did it. Moms did it in her act. I mean, people have always -- comics have always been the mirrors to the world.
BEHAR: That`s right.
GOLDBERG: It`s just the way that a lot of us are built.
BEHAR: And the role of the court jester is to say the emperor has no clothes.
GOLDBERG: Yes.
BEHAR: In our cases the emperor is a bigot. Whatever, whoever it is.
GOLDBERG: Yes.
BEHAR: One of -- that`s one of our things that we pulled off.
GOLDBERG: Yes or the emperor is not well endowed.
BEHAR: That`s good, too.
GOLDBERG: Yes.
BEHAR: Yes, the emperor is just bad in bed and is on Viagra.
GOLDBERG: Yes that`s right.
BEHAR: Exactly. Flying, you still fly -- I heard, I know that you`re flying again.
GOLDBERG: Yes.
BEHAR: Now today we were talking to -- you know, what`s his name? Brian Ross about --
GOLDBERG: Right.
BEHAR: -- these packages that are flying.
GOLDBERG: Yes, yes.
BEHAR: What are -- are you scared again to fly?
GOLDBERG: Yes, I don`t like it. You know. And for me, it`s just -- it`s a very strange thing. But you know, thank God I started flying again. Because I don`t know what would have happened when my mom passed. I would have had to have flown.
BEHAR: Yes you had, right. It would have taken too long.
(CROSSTALK)
GOLDBERG: So in a funny this is -- you know, the fact that I was able to fly again sort of made it easier for me to do what I needed to -- I needed to -- I mean it`s just --
BEHAR: How did you overcome it, though? I know that Virgin Atlantic helped you --
GOLDBERG: You guys brought -- you guys brought the folks from Virgin Atlantic over. And I sat with them for six, seven hour and went over all of the innovations that have occurred in aviation since my trauma. And that knowledge really sort of took -- took me to a calmer place.
Now, do I fly without my drugs? No. No. I have things that will calm me down and then I take another pill and it kind of gently puts me to sleep and that`s how I can do it.
BEHAR: So it feels like a lot of turmoil -- what do you call it turbulence?
GOLDBERG: Turbulence.
BEHAR: Would it wake you up or would you stay awake?
GOLDBERG: I probably not, I have -- I don`t know.
Do I wake up? No, I don`t wake up, during the turbulence. I stay asleep.
BEHAR: I want to know what that medication is.
GOLDBERG: Yes. I`ll let Tommy tell you.
BEHAR: We`ll have more with Whoopi Goldberg in just a minute.
I mean really, what is it?
GOLDBERG: It`s really good.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: I`m back with Whoopi. You know I went to see your wonderful movie "For Colored Girls". And you have such a great part in there playing this like religious fanatic with a turban.
GOLDBERG: Yes, yes. Yes.
BEHAR: Who did you base that character on? She`s a zealot and she`s -- go ahead, tell me about her.
GOLDBERG: She`s just a loony tune. You know, she`s just a really sick, mean, awful person. You know, who I, you know, don`t think I know anyone like her. I`m really glad.
BEHAR: Thank goodness.
GOLDBERG: Yes. Because she`s not good, she`s not a good person.
BEHAR: The movie is based on a play that was in the `70s, "For Colored Girls" who have seen the rainbow --
GOLDBERG: "For Colored Girls who have considered suicide when the rainbow is enough."
BEHAR: I don`t exactly get that but I`m going to try and figure it out.
GOLDBERG: I think it`s a colored girl thing.
BEHAR: Now, in the `70s, I mean it was post civil rights legislation and everything, but there was a lot of trauma in the black community it looks like in that particular period which was reflected in this play.
GOLDBERG: This is one of the first black writers that was talking about what was happening in a contemporary society. And she, like Alice Walker, wrote characters that she had come into contact with and put them together and made the insanely amazing sound poem, really.
And people were stunned because, you know, these issues were not discussed, not in white society, not in black society. They just didn`t talk about it. And she gave voice to what turns really out to be girls. And you`re a colored girl.
BEHAR: I am?
GOLDBERG: Yes. Yes. Because you got some color so you`re a colored girl.
BEHAR: Oh, yes.
GOLDBERG: And, you know, they`re all colored girls.
BEHAR: When my father was in the navy, he went to Africa.
GOLDBERG: And that`s how you got here.
BEHAR: Well, I was here already. But he had the curly kinky hair and he was very tan. They had a picture that he had for Coca-Cola and he was standing between two young African boys. And I remember when I was a kid reading the picture and it said, which one has the Tony? Remember the Tony permanents? I don`t know. Was that racist? That was from Coca-Cola or something. From the company?
In other words, he looked just like them.
GOLDBERG: Well, that was people trying to be witty.
BEHAR: Do you think it`s witty or is it just racist?
GOLDBERG: Well, they wouldn`t have thought it was racist. It`s kind of like when you look at -- I collect what people call racist art. I don`t think it`s racist. It`s just to give you an idea of how people thought and how they express themselves.
When you watch "Loony Tunes" cartoons, there are cartoons where -- which we cannot show you now. We will not show you these cartoons. But you need to see them because we need to see how people looked at other people so that we can make sure we don`t do it again.
BEHAR: Well, Spike Lee`s movie "Bamboozled", I believe, people should rent that film just to see how heinous the movies were in those days when they treated every black person as a servant.
GOLDBERG: Yes.
BEHAR: And Stepin Fetchit and all that.
GOLDBERG: Yes. You know what? Let me tell you about Stepin Fetchit.
BEHAR: Tell me on the break, because I`ve got to go. I`m sorry this ended.
GOLDBERG: That`s all right. As we`re going, Stepin Fetchit for about ten year was the highest paid actor in Hollywood.
BEHAR: Good for him.
GOLDBERG: That`s right, baby.
BEHAR: Good for him.
See Whoopi in "For Colored Girls" in theaters, November 5th. And check out her book, "Is It Just Me or Is it Nuts out There?
We`ll be back in a minute.
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BEHAR: Randy Quaid and his wife, Evi, went trick-or-treating yesterday. OK, OK, they weren`t trick-or-treating. They were just asking strangers if they could live with them.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Actually, the famous couple was released from a Canadian jail last week. Take a look at what they had to say on Friday.
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RANDY QUAID, ACTOR: We believe there are to be a malignant tumor of star whackers in Hollywood. How many people do you know personally who have died suddenly and mysteriously in the past five years? I have personally known eight actors all of whom -- all of whom I have worked with and was close to, Heath Ledger, Chris Penn, David Carradine among them.
I believe these actors were whacked, and I believe, that many others such as Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan and Mel Gibson are being played to get at their money.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: He`s really scared. Here to talk about Randy Quaid and other stories are Judy Gold, comedian, Galina Espinoza, editorial director for Latina magazine, and Lisa Birnbach, author of "True Prep: It`s a Whole New Old World." OK, guys. Just to be clear. Heath ledger died of an accidental overdose. David Carradine accidental death from auto erotic asphyxiation
(LAUGHTER)
[ BEHAR: And -- whatever. That`s the whole other show. And Chris Penn, Sean Penn`s brother died of heart disease. So, what do you make of Randy Quaid saying that there`s some kind of conspiracy here?
JUDY GOLD, COMEDIAN: First of all, they make Anne Heche look normal. I mean --
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: You mean celestia?
(LAUGHTER)
LISA BIRNBACH, AUTHOR: Calling it a malignant tumor, I think, is kind of an insult to malignant tumors.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Well, about what -- should we be worried for Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan and Mel Gibson?
GALINA ESPINOZA, EDITORIAL DIRECTOR: Yes, but for million other reasons. I mean, Randy Quaid, you look at that and you see he`s genuinely sincere and emotionally gets all choked up about it. So, he does believe what he`s saying.
GOLD: He looks very rabbinical.
(CROSSTALK)
BIRNBACH: But also, LBJ-ish, remember? Don`t forget. I think of him as the LBJ incarnate, and now this. It`s very, very sad.
BEHAR: Now, some people say that it`s his wife, Evi, that`s really driving this bus a little bit. You have a friend, Lisa, I understand, who worked with them. What do you know?
BIRNBACH: Well, when my friend, who looks a lot like me --
BEHAR: She has your name.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: She wears that exact outfit.
BIRNBACH: They`re very close. She`s a little thinner than I am. When that friend had dinner with the Quaids, Evi was very -- was very proud of her aristocratic background. I think --
GOLD: She`s from Canada, right? Her father`s from --
BIRNBACH: Oh, that land. Well, she also claimed to have gone to finishing school in Switzerland. And I have seen Randy Quaid. I mean, my friend has seen Randy Quaid in a smoking jacket and velvet slippers. So, there is a side that`s very polished. So, this is very sad, especially to me as a preppy to see him --
BEHAR: Are you saying that someone in slippers and a smoking jacket is normal.
(LAUGHTER)
GOLD: I mean, if you asked most people if they wanted to kill Randy Quaid, they would say, Randy who? You know?
BIRNBACH: But also, he`s Dennis` brother. Dennis is very cute. You know, there`s the shame of the less cute brother.
BEHAR: I don`t know about that. They`re both actors. Men don`t care that much as women. If it`s two women, sisters, it would be rough.
ESPINOZA: Well, I thought it was interesting that when Dennis suggested to Randy that he might want to consider therapy, Randy`s response was that Dennis needed to take another look at his career because he was getting caught up in making all of these bad movies.
BEHAR: Randy said that in Dennis.
ESPINOZA: Yes.
BEHAR: No, no, no. Dennis is a star.
BIRNBACH: But Evi --
ESPINOZA: Evi.
(CROSSTALK)
GOLD: This whole thing had the whole running from the law -- apparently they`re Bonnie and Clyde. I don`t understand.
BIRNBACH: Yes, but if you`re running, the adrenaline of felony, I think, is very exciting.
BEHAR: He also went asked (ph) the Google (INAUDIBLE) and what he said about Google?
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QUAID: many a celebrity`s image and marketability is being co-opted and destroyed. Google helps out by keeping the negative stories near the top of the celebrity`s webpage because it`s the negativity that brings in the advertising revenue.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: OK. Is he saying that Google is part of this conspiracy now? These Hollywood star whackers?
ESPINOZA: Well, I love that he thinks he has figured out the Google algorithm because let me tell you every magazine editor in the business is trying to figure out how to get their search results to come up on Google, but Randy seems to be on to something.
BEHAR: They always put the most relevant story at the top.
ESPINOZA: Right.
BIRNBACH: And the most sensational gets the one on top.
BEHAR: That`s right. OK. Moving on. Things are back to normal on "Two and a Half Men." The scripts are done. The cast is ready. And craft services have a kilo of lunch waiting for Charlie Sheen in his dressing room. According to Charlie`s manager, rumors that the star was on a party binge this weekend re not true. That`s a good manager, right, Judy? He`s denying, denying, denying.
GOLD: But he said he went over there. First of all, Charlie Sheen puts the ho in hotel. OK. That`s all I have to say.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Literally,
GOLD: But I mean --
(CROSSTALK)
(LAUGHTER)
ESPINOZA: All right. We`re done.
GOLD: The manager went over there because one of his friends said, he`s going to die, he`s on a binge, he`s going to die this week.
BEHAR: Yes, that`s right.
GOLD: He goes over there. He`s apparently on the couch eating a turkey sandwich.
ESPINOZA: And watching football.
BEHAR: A friend told Radar Online that Sheen is going to die this week. Is that a good friend or is that --
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BIRNBACH: I would ask Evi and the whackers.
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BIRNBACH: Yes.
BEHAR: OK. Now, Lisa, I read that Martin Sheen is planning an intervention which he has done before. An intervention maybe a little incarceration might help the boy.
BIRNBACH: Well, incarceration is the new boarding school. That`s my last plug for my book, but it is. I`m sorry. But you know, the fact if it`s public, if we already know when the intervention is happening, does it work? Can`t the "Two and a Half Guys" leave the intervention space? I don`t know the etiquette of intervention.
BEHAR: I don`t know too much about, and I know you go in and you say, stop it!
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GOLD: Then he cries and walks out and says he`s not going to go to rehab.
BEHAR: I don`t know. I mean, maybe he`ll get better. I don`t know what to say. But a spokesman from the family said that Sheen had, quote, "an adverse allergic reaction to some medication." What is he allergic to?
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BEHAR: TMZ seems to paint a different picture. There`s the picture with him and the booze. So, he`s allergic to TMZ it looks like.
BEHAR: Flash cameras. OK. Let`s go on to Ron Howard now. Director Ron Howard says he won`t remove a line from his comedy "The Dilemma" that has star Vince Vaughn saying electric cars are gay. They took the line out of the trailer, Galina, and --
ESPINOZA: Because people were outraged.
BEHAR: GLAD was upset.
ESPINOZA: Yes. I mean, this seems kind of a funny line to be drawing such a hard stance about like this is key to the movie. It`s not even that funny of a joke.
GOLD: You know, I`m gay, shocking. And I find this to be so -- I mean, my Honda is gay. I mean, I have a Honda, it`s gay. I just think it`s ridiculous. I don`t believe in censorship at all.
BEHAR: Well, here`s what GLAD say that by leaving --
GOLD: GLAD is going to hate me now.
BEHAR: That by leaving the swine (ph) in the movie universal are now contributing to the problem of bullying of gay youth. Do you agree with that?
BIRNBACH: No.
BEHAR: You don`t agree with that.
BIRNBACH: No. I even think cigarette smoking which is supposed to not appear in movies sometimes needs to help a character develop or explain, you know, emphysema or something. So, in the same way that cigarette smoking has to be in movie, maybe somebody has to say a remark like that.
BEHAR: That`s Ron Howard -- he says that the character has a mouth that sometimes gets him into trouble, and he definitely flirts with what`s OK to say. But I think that in the trailer, it looked like a come-on. That`s so gay. You could see kids taunting other gay children with that.
GOLD: Right. But in the movies with their parents and that comes on and then they --
BEHAR: Well, it`s a little different in the movie because then you see the full character.
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ESPINOZA: They`re clearly using it to bate (ph) audiences and that I think is a problem.
BEHAR: OK. We have time for one more story. Courteney Cox says she`s not ready yet to file for divorce from her estranged husband hubby, what`s his name? David Arquette and despite his oversharing on the "Howard Stern Show." He basically talked about sex too much, I think, and he said that he cried when he had sex with another woman besides his wife. She`s rather nice. She said --
GOLD: Why did he cry?
BEHAR: I don`t know.
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ESPINOZA: Hadn`t been with anyone else for 11 years.
BEHAR: He was channeling Glenn Beck. That`s what it was. He said on Howard Stern how often they had sex, he and his wife Courteney, and how she didn`t want to be his mother any more. That was something. Gal (ph), you and husband, are you married?
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BEHAR: And you are not either because it`s illegal in the state.
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GOLD: Yes. they won`t let the gays get married.
BEHAR: You have a boyfriend?
ESPINOZA: Yes.
BEHAR: And then you had (ph) a relationship?
ESPINOZA: And he`s not allowed to talk about anything.
BEHAR: I mean, I don`t think it`s correct to go on television and start to tell everyone that you started crying.
BIRNBACH: Not on the radio, not on television, not on mp3, not on decoupage.
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ESPINOZA: But you know what, Courteney was with David for 11 years. He`s eccentric. He`s goofy. She expects this from him. She said, you know what, --
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BEHAR: Don`t want you to be my mother, but she`s acting very maternal here. Thank you, guys. And catch Judy Gold Saturday night at the metropolitan room in New York. Ann Coulter and Al Sharpton are here next.
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BEHAR: Election Day is tomorrow, which means the nasty political season will be over, and my blood pressure will drop to under a thousand, I expect. But maybe I spoke too soon because with me now are Ann Coulter, conservative commentator and Rev. Al Sharpton, civil rights activist. Greetings, friends.
REV. AL SHARPTON, CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST: Good evening.
ANN COULTER, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR: Hello.
BEHAR: Let me ask you first, you know, a lot of people leaning away from Obama and towards the Republican Party. Now, I mean -- yes, towards the Republican Party. Is this typical for midterms? Because it happened to Bush and Clinton. Or is it a referendum against President Obama?
SHARPTON: First of all, it`s typical of midterms that you have some kind of sway. What I don`t think people ought to be that anxious about is with technology changing there are many people that are not being polled because many people live now by cell phones and don`t go by your regular polling data. So, we don`t know how far the swing is until tomorrow happens.
I don`t know how people who two years ago, 2 1/2 years ago, were losing 750,000 jobs a month, now, we`re up which we`re around 70,000 up a month. And certainly, that`s not enough, but we`re headed in the right direction. Why we would want to go back to the crowd that put us in the economic woes that we`re suffering.
BEHAR: It seems like it`s just throw the bums out, isn`t it, Ann, right now?
COULTER: Yes, I think you`re absolutely right about that. I mean, you look at the Republican primaries, and a lot of Republican -- establishment Republicans were thrown out for tea party candidates. And I agree -- I think it`s very exciting to watch and one of the most exciting ones in my lifetime, because I agree we do not know what`s going to happen, though.
I think the reason we don`t know what`s going to happen is because there are so many tea partiers involved now. These are people who probably a lot of them voted for Obama, didn`t vote at all, usually do not vote in midterms. They are hopping mad about national health care, something they didn`t want, they didn`t ask for. It was jammed down the country`s throat. Now, these are not typical midterm election voters.
Are they going to come out and vote? And that`s why even in today`s "New York Times" Nate Silver, this mathematical genius, he always does this amazingly accurate polling. He has an estimate. He goes through all the different polls that all over the map right now. He says the most I can say is Republicans will pick up -- I`m 95 percent sure that Republicans will pick up between 23 and 77 seats. 23 seats, we don`t take the House. And that`s a pretty -- and nobody knows.
BEHAR: So, we don`t really know what`s going to happen.
SHARPTON: And let me say this. I don`t know how much of the tea partiers that Ann referred to voted for Obama. It seems strange to me that you want to throw the bums out and you`re a guy or lady that voted for Obama, but you all of a sudden, following Sarah Palin who was the Republican vice presidential nominee.
So, I`m wondering whether the tea party are all the discontent or whether this is rebranded Republicans that knew they couldn`t come out and say, I`m angry Republicans because they started the mess, so they`re calling themselves a new name, the same game because they didn`t start a third party. So I thought trick-or-treat was yesterday. And I thought we are into reality today.
COULTER: No, I mean, I agree with you, but this is an interesting --
BEHAR: Let`s move on to something else.
COULTER: OK, but just one quick point on that. It seems weird that someone would vote for Obama and then vote, you know, across the board Republican now. We all think that because we pay attention in politics. In last week`s "New York Times," poll that had all these traditionally Democrat Obama-based groups is going Republican.
They quoted a woman in, I don`t know, Missouri or Ohio or something who voted for Obama, and she said she`s voting for Republicans this year because their stand on abortion, taxes and illegal immigration. How can you have voted for Obama? But there are people like that. They liked Obama. They liked his style, his charm.
SHARPTON: It`s strange times.
BEHAR: They`re not pro choice and all these other things?
SHARPTON: Yes.
COULTER: Correct, but they don`t want big government, and they have gotten a truck load of big government.
BEHAR: OK. I want to ask you about (INAUDIBLE). Today`s op-ed page in "The New York Times" had an article by Ross Douthat? Whatever it is. I don`t know what or how you say his name. Anyway, this guy is talking about how people in this country are so unhappy because they hate big government. That`s what the Republicans are saying, right? And they hated the bailout, Wall Street bailout, they hate the stimulus.
I have a question, to you, really. If a Republican was in office, would they have done anything differently? The TARP program, that whole money thing that they did before Obama got in was a Republican move by that guy Paulson. So, what would the Republicans be doing? They`d have the big government also, right?
COULTER: I can tell you one thing they wouldn`t do. You wouldn`t have a 2,000-page national health care bill.
SHARPTON: You wouldn`t have one at all.
BEHAR: You have nothing.
COULTER: Right. You say nothing, we`d have health care rather than the government taking over health care, claiming they`re going to suddenly give health care insurance to 30 million --
BEHAR: But nothing (INAUDIBLE) people were out of insurance. They couldn`t --
SHARPTON: Thirty million people uninsured.
BEHAR: You can`t have people without health insurance.
COULTER: Well, you`re going to have to take that argument to -- well, sure, you can. You have them without health insurance. But to have the Democrats go to the American people and say, we`re going to cover 300 million people right now who are uninsured and we`re going to save money. This is like saying we have a chocolate cake, it`s all you can eat and you lose weight. Nobody believes that.
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SHARPTON: I think there`s so many inconsistencies and unexplainables. When you have people that don`t like big government, but they wanted President Obama to do more about the oil spill. Well, that`s big government.
COULTER: That`s right.
SHARPTON: They don`t like big government, but they want the president to be there to take care of any kind of threat to national security, which he should. So, I think they`re very selective on what big government they want and we`re at the time that people said they don`t want big government, they don`t like people that believe if pro-choice, but they voted for Obama before.
I mean, we`re even seeing Ann Coulter quote "The New York Times" three times in this interview. What`s the world coming to?
COULTER: I do that a lot. We are selective. Selective in what the constitution gives authority to the federal government for, and that is precisely national defense. It isn`t to run our health care, our schools, our pensions, to take care of us from cradle to grave. And this is what people are upset about. It is --
SHARPTON: They also should run immigration, but you didn`t tell Arizona that.
COULTER: Of course.
SHARPTON: I mean, there are a lot of things that the national government --
COULTER: You act like this is some crazy position that we shouldn`t have --
SHARPTON: We should have states nullify federal law, that`s right.
COULTER: We should have local schools being run out of Washington, but wow, that`s craziness. Have Washington take care of the border?
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COULTER: Wait, are you saying that the national -- it`s in the constitution, what the country is. You guard the border. National security, of course, is the federal government.
SHARPTON: Well, tell Governor Brewer that in Arizona, Ann. I mean, I think that she`s watching. Tell her that she should not nullify federal authority. What you have is a states right movement --
COULTER: You`re all over the map. You aren`t making any sense.
SHARPTON: You have a states rights movement against a strong national government. This has been going on a long time.
COULTER: One thing the federal government does is decide who becomes a citizen, who does not and guards the borders and provides national defense. That doesn`t mean --
SHARPTON: And this is from a crowd that asks the president of the United States where`s his birth certificate.
BEHAR: OK. We`ll be right back, and we`ll take a quick break.
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BEHAR: I`m back with Ann Coulter and Rev. Al Sharpton. You know, Mitch McConnell said that the GOP`s main objective would be to get Obama out of power. Isn`t that unpatriotic in a dishonorable goal?
COULTER: As opposed to Obama talking about Americans being the enemy saying he`s doing hand to hand combat, and you`re upset about that?
BEHAR: No. As opposed to talking about, you know, jobs and health care and all the things that Obama has --
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COULTER: Hand-to-hand combat with the Republicans.
BEHAR: But why is it his job to just focus on getting the guy out rather than fixing the country? There`s something so wrong with that.
COULTER: Because I think what we`re going to see tomorrow is a very strong rejection of -- I hope -- of these European left-wing policies of the Obama administration of this enormous behemoth government. And why do you have a tea party movement? Because they think the Republicans aren`t standing up to the confident --
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BEHAR: People who are in the tea party Ann, let`s face it.
COULTER: No, they`re sympathetic to --
SHARPTON: Not only that. I think that when the president said he was going to do hand-to-hand combat, it was over policies. I think what Boehner has said his only policy is --
BEHAR: McConnell.
SHARPTON: McConnell, I`m sorry.
BEHAR: Yes.
SHARPTON: Is to say that his only goal is to unseat the president.
BEHAR: Yes.
COULTER: Of course, that`s our policy.
SHARPTON: I think they have an opportunity to tell America, particularly since McConnell and Boehner and this crowd was there when we went through these economic woes that they caused. They were there when we went to Iraq looking for weapons that weren`t there. These are not new tea partiers.
These were the guys that were in Washington, in their seats with George Bush, then absolutely to say what they`re offering America. Offering American that they want to get out of office the person that turned this country around from what they did with George Bush.
COULTER: What world are you living in? Turning this country around?
SHARPTON: Was Mr. McConnell in the Senate? Was Mr. Boehner in the Congress?
BEHAR: Yes, they were.
COULTER: OK. You two can keep going on as if everyone thinks things are fine and the unemployment rate is terrific and the foreclosure -- turn the country around! He blew the country up! That`s why you`re going to see a response tomorrow.
BEHAR: How did he blow the country up?
COULTER: The unemployment rate is twice what it was under the Bush administration, and that`s after passing a trillion dollar stimulus.
SHARPTON: Did you deny, Ann Coulter --
BEHAR: But that`s what voodoo economics.
COULTER: And by the way, we didn`t like -- right wingers didn`t like Bush`s economic policies. He was a little too big government.
BEHAR: I didn`t hear you yell during those --
COULTER: Then you weren`t listening. You`re wrong then.
SHARPTON: The tea kettle didn`t go on the stove until Bush was gone.
COULTER: The point is Americans would be dancing a jig if we could go back to the Bush economic policies. And it is not true that the party in power loses elections in all midterm elections. In George Bush`s first midterm election, Republicans picked up seats.
BEHAR: Now, you know, one more thing, some pundits are saying that Obama will benefit by losing the House because you can`t have the Republicans being the party of no when they actually have some power. What do you say to that, Al?
SHARPTON: Well, I think -- I hope it`s something that we don`t have to see. But I think that when the American people find out, all they want to do is be obstructionist and say no and block this president, and they don`t care about the average American that is unemployed and that is struggling with their family. I think that it will be devastating for the Republicans. It will be almost like the whole story of catching a car you can`t drive.
COULTER: Right.
SHARPTON: Because the last time they drove it, we ended up in the ditch.
COULTER: I`ve heard that before.
SHARPTON: Yes, I think you have, and I think, probably because it`s true. If it sounds like the same story, because we were both in the same ditch.
BEHAR: We have to go, but isn`t it true also that if they repeal the health care bill, Obama will just veto it? So, they can`t even do anything with that. Thanks very much, guys. And thank you all for watching. Good night, everybody.
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