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Charlie Sheen in Trouble; Outrage Over New TSA Security Procedures; Interview with Joan Collins
Aired November 22, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tonight on THE Joy BEHAR SHOW, the porn star at the center of Charlie Sheen`s latest meltdown is finally speaking out. Capri Anderson said Sheen had his hands around her throat, and now she`s ready to sue.
Plus, more TSA outrage after video of a shirtless 8-year-old boy undergoing a security pat-down surfaces. Where do we draw the line?
Then the legendary Joan Collins drops by to talk about her life, her loves and her controversial career.
That and more starting right now.
JOY BEHAR, HOST: Charlie Sheen`s crazy night in New York City last month may cost him more than he thought. As porn star/dinner date Capri Anderson, who you see here in a video from TMZ, is now talking to lawyers, to the police and to "Good Morning America".
Here`s a bit of what she said about that night. Watch.
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CAPRI ANDERSON, ADULT FILM STAR: When it became really uncomfortable was when he put his hands around my neck. But at that point, things began to very rapidly kind of fall apart. And just really get out of hand. So that was really when things started to go wrong and when I felt like I was no longer in a good situation.
Here now to talk about this case is Charlie Sheen`s criminal defense lawyer Yale Galanter. Yale, how are you? Good to see you again.
YALE GALANTER, CHARLIE SHEEN`S ATTORNEY: I`m ok, Joy. Good to see you, too.
BEHAR: Now, you just heard Capri Anderson say that your client put his hands around her neck. I know he wasn`t giving her a throat massage. What was he doing? What was that about?
GALANTER: That never occurred, Joy. And you know, I was fortunate enough to be on your show a couple of weeks ago.
BEHAR: I know.
GALANTER: She never made any of these statements to the police on the night of the incident. I mean, could you imagine having somebody try to strangle you, put their hands around your throat, in front of all these police officers and security personnel and she doesn`t say a word to anybody about it until after she lawyers up, until after her civil complaint`s ready to be filed.
Hmm, what do you think is really going on here, Joy?
BEHAR: Well, I don`t know. But I mean it`s possible that she was scared that night. I don`t know. I`m not a lawyer. I don`t know what she`s up to.
GALANTER: She wasn`t scared. This is all about money and trying to cash in on Charlie Sheen`s celebrity status. If she thought she was a victim of a crime, she should have said something that night to the police.
BEHAR: All right. Let me -- give me time to get a few questions in here, ok? Anderson said that Sheen started throwing things. Listen to this.
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ANDERSON: Throwing things.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He threw a lamp?
ANDERSON: He threw a lamp. That was the first thing he picked up. And he threw it across the room at me.
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BEHAR: Ok. There were reports that the hotel room was trashed and there was $7,000 worth of damage. Doesn`t that part of the story make sense? If there was damage and that was reported?
GALANTER: First of all, there was never a report from the Plaza Hotel that the room was trashed and there was never a report from the people who would send the bill saying it was $7,000. You and I have discussed that.
In terms of these allegations, again, this is inconsistent with what she told police on the night of the incident. If she would have told the police on the night of this incident that Mr. Sheen threw a lamp at her, Mr. Sheen would have been arrested, but she didn`t say anything of the sort.
BEHAR: Ok. All right. But then she said she heard Charlie snorting something. Did he have a cold? What was he snorting?
GALANTER: Joy, if Charlie Sheen had illegal drugs in that room, he was searched, she was searched, the room was searched by the New York Police Department. It`s a total fabrication. There were no cocaine, there was no white powdery substance, she never saw him doing anything illegal. Otherwise when the police said to her, Miss Capri, has Mr. Sheen done anything illegal, made you uncomfortable, she kept saying, no, no, no, no, no. Don`t change your story after you lawyer up.
BEHAR: Let`s continue with this now. She also claims that Charlie texted her after the incident; the next day, in fact. She says he offered her money for silence. Did he offer her money and how much?
GALANTER: Charlie Sheen has never offered her a dime to keep her quiet. Quite the contrary. She had some damage to her purse and a dress. There were reports that she was owed some money. There were reports that came out that there was a $12,000 bill that was outstanding. I think you and I discussed that. We weren`t sure what it was for.
So there was definitely never an offer of money to silence her or anything else. As a matter of fact, when her lawyers approached us, we told them to go pound salt because we knew that Mr. Sheen had done nothing wrong.
BEHAR: All right. When you were here with me last time you said no crimes were being committed just like you`re saying now. The hotel room, you know, et cetera. The hotel room is not trashed. There was no powdery substance on his nose.
But now we have accusations from this woman on drugs, assault and battery and also a bribery charge if in fact he did -- is it just he said, she said at this point?
GALANTER: Well, all of these incidents come down to a he said, she said, but this is more. I mean you got to look at the facts. She never reported this to police initially. She never reported to security initially. Two or three days after this, she put up on her Web site that she was the mysterious girl in the hotel room with Charlie Sheen and she was, quote, unquote "fine and there was nothing wrong" but if you wanted to enter the Web site and see more pictures of her, you had to pay a fee.
This is a woman who is clearly seeking money and trying to cash in on Charlie Sheen`s celebrity.
BEHAR: Ok. All right.
GALANTER: If anything inappropriate happened that evening, she should have told the police or hotel security and she didn`t.
BEHAR: All right. Ok. All right. She also said that she saw Charlie pick up something shiny saying, quote, I`m not sure if it was an envelope opener or a knife. Now Charlie`s ex-wife Brooke Mueller said he pinned her to a bed, held a knife to her throat and threatened to have her killed.
Doesn`t this show some kind of a pattern here? Even Denise Richards one of his other wives, said that he was domestically abusing her. So I mean come on. If it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck and these are three women. They`re not the same type of women, mind you. They`re all different types of women.
GALANTER: I think what has occurred here is that Miss Anderson`s lawyers have taken all these various news clippings from Charlie`s life and tuned her up on what to say and how to say it. Because again this is the first time three weeks later that we`re hearing this, and we`re hearing it after they`re getting ready to file a civil suit for money.
I mean, that`s what this is all about, Joy.
BEHAR: They`re also filing a criminal --
GALANTER: Trying to extract money.
BEHAR: They`re also filing a criminal complaint today, so it`s a civil suit and a criminal complaint. You should be worried, don`t you think?
GALANTER: Listen, I will tell you, Joy, there`s an ethics code. When lawyers tell their clients to go file criminal complaints to gain an advantage in a civil suit, they can be disbarred for that. You`re not allowed to threaten criminal prosecution to have somebody write you a check. And that ethic is as old as the profession of being a lawyer.
BEHAR: Ok.
GALANTER: This woman didn`t start changing her story until after she lawyered up. And she ought to be ashamed of herself. We`re going to call her to task on it. We`re going to defend these charges vigorously and she will never get a check from Charlie Sheen.
BEHAR: All right. Well, we`ll keep watching the story, Yale. Thank you very much. Thanks again for weighing in on this.
GALANTER: My pleasure, Joy. Take care.
BEHAR: Ok. All right.
I want to turn now to ABC News correspondent Ashleigh Banfield whose interview with Capri Anderson will air tonight. You interviewed Capri Anderson for two hours on Saturday. What was she like? Tell me about her in the interview.
ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, CORRESPONDENT, ABC NEWS: She was very articulate, very young, she`s 22, very nervous and very uncomfortable about all this. In fact her body language was -- at one point she was so uncomfortable she got up and walked out.
BEHAR: Really?
BANFIELD: More than once.
BEHAR: Did she say why?
BANFIELD: She was very flummoxed by everything that`s happened and by the maelstrom that has ensued since all of this on October 26th. And listen, she`s not an expert in the law and this is tricky stuff to maneuver.
BEHAR: How credible does she seem?
BANFIELD: At times very credible and at times questionable. Like every legal case I cover I can always see two sides. And certainly I see both sides of this story both from Yale Galanter and from Capri Anderson.
BEHAR: Well, Yale Galanter basically says that there`s no case. That she didn`t file a complaint at the time of this alleged assault, that there`s no proof that he was using drugs in the room or using foul language and being abusive, trashing the room. There`s no proof at all of that according to him.
BANFIELD: There is a case.
BEHAR: What`s the case?
BANFIELD: There is definitely a case.
BEHAR: What is the case?
BANFIELD: It`s whether the case has merit I think is the issue maybe he has. There are witnesses. There were loads of people in the hallway when all of this unraveled. There are Plaza security who are witnesses to this. Denise Richards allegedly is a witness to this. There were plenty of people who witnessed this.
BEHAR: He said that the hotel management never filed any kind of a complaint that the room was trashed.
BANFIELD: It doesn`t mean that they`re not witnesses to something. And when they get criminal subpoenas the whole game changes. Look, when there`s just a civil suit filed, they don`t have to open up necessarily. But when the police come knocking on your door and say you need to testify or show up in deposition, you need to start talking. And there were plenty of people around who will have their versions of what happened.
BEHAR: Ok. She`s coming out with a lot of this stuff now. But why didn`t she do it in the first place? Why didn`t she call the police that night? Dial 911?
BANFIELD: Right. I asked.
BEHAR: You`re being assaulted. You`re being thrown into the bathroom.
BANFIELD: Sure. I mean you and I would be terrified. We`d call 911 and we probably still are --
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BEHAR: I wouldn`t have been there with him in the first place. He`s not my type.
BANFIELD: Well, that`s -- well, that`s how many of us say we differ from what Capri Anderson may have been involved in that night.
And the truth of the matter is when I said, why didn`t you call police right away, why didn`t you tell police --
BEHAR: Yes.
BANFIELD: -- right away when they got there? She said, I was uncomfortable, I was scared. I didn`t know what to do. I just wanted to go home.
And I have covered plenty of domestic abuse victims who do not report right away. They`re shocked, they`re terrified, there`s a big expensive guy out there with loads of lawyers who could make it look like she was part of the crime. She didn`t know what to do, she says.
So when I said, what about after? You had weeks. And instead you got a lawyer --
BEHAR: Yes.
BANFIELD: -- and asked for money instead of going to the police and asking to press charges. And that`s when things got a little bit more murky. She got very uncomfortable about that.
BEHAR: Well, sure. Well, sure.
At that point you sort of nailed her a little bit.
BANFIELD: And -- and -- and it was very uncomfortable and she got up to leave. But I got her back. And I got her lawyer in the chair and said the same thing. And he said, look, the way she was treated by the police that night made her feel like she was not going to be in any kind of control of this situation and that they were going to hijack this from her and that Charlie Sheen was going to be in control of the situation. So that was their reason for it.
However, Joy, he did say to me today, because of that interview and because of the challenges that that you put to us --
BEHAR: Yes.
BANFIELD: -- she changed her mind and decided to go to the police today. And she`s gone to the police now.
BEHAR: Ok, tell me about the text message she said he sent her. Have you seen it?
BANFIELD: I have not seen the text message. They refused to show it to me. But I will tell you this. The text message she alleges said something about $20,000 --
BEHAR: Yes.
BANFIELD: -- from Charlie Sheen. And her characterization of it is to sort of make this just water under the bridge. When I put this to Charlie`s lawyers, he confirmed the existence of a $20,000 text. But said it was for something entirely different. You asked for sex, you ask for money for sex, we paid you for it and gave you extra because of your wrecked purse and because of all the hassle.
BEHAR: Ok.
BANFIELD: That`s how they changed --
BEHAR: All right, Ashleigh, you`re on it, girl.
BANFIELD: I`m on it, girl.
BEHAR: Ok and you can watch more of --
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BANFIELD: "Nightline".
BEHAR: -- Ashleigh`s interview with Capri Anderson tonight on ABC`s "Nightline".
Back in a minute. You are on it.
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BEHAR: Cher has been speaking out about her acceptance of her son Chaz as a transgender person and with trans -- transgender people being appointed as judges. And a recent transgender presidential appointee, more people are asking what is life like for this often overlooked part of the LGBT community.
With me to talk about this are Ken Corbett, psychoanalyst specializing in gender issues and the author of "Boyhoods: Rethinking Masculinity"; Laverne Cox, the first African-American transgender woman to star and produce her own TV show, VH-1`s "Transform Me"; and Diego Sanchez, legislative assistant to Congressman Barney Frank and the first out transgender Capitol Hill staffer.
Welcome all of you to the show. You know Chastity, Cher`s daughter Chastity, she underwent gender reassignment, as you call it now --
KEN CORBETT, PSYCHOANALYST: Right.
BEHAR: -- recently to become Chaz Bono, a guy. All right, now this is Cher`s quote. She said, "If I woke up tomorrow and I was in a guy`s body, I would just be flipped out. That`s the way I put myself in Chaz`s place". It sounds like -- Laverne, doesn`t it sound like she`s trying to understand?
LAVERNE COX, TRANSGENDER ACTRESS/PRODUCER: She`s absolutely trying to understand. It was really interesting watching Cher on David Letterman last week. She reminded me of my own mother who is having difficulty with pronouns at the very beginning of trying to understand.
BEHAR: Right.
COX: My mother has come a really long way. But what`s also startling about the Cher and David Letterman moment, is that she and Mr. Letterman were conflating gender identity and sexual orientation which a lot of people do. A lot of people think that transgender and gay are the same thing.
But gay is about who you are attracted to and gender identity transgender is about --
BEHAR: Right.
COX: -- how you see yourself. And that`s a really big thing I think people really need to understand.
BEHAR: That is a very interesting point. Because Chaz Bono -- I`m very confused about a couple of these things.
COX: Ok.
BEHAR: Chaz was born female.
CORBETT: Right.
BEHAR: She was a lesbian.
CORBETT: Right.
BEHAR: So she had a girlfriend.
CORBETT: Right.
BEHAR: Ok, now she`s a guy and she still has a girlfriend. Two questions, is Chaz now heterosexual because she`s sleeping with a woman? And is the woman still a lesbian if she`s sleeping with a guy?
COX: Well, first of all, the pronoun should be "he" when we refer to Chaz. Chaz is a man now.
BEHAR: Right.
COX: So the pronoun on should be "he".
BEHAR: Did I say "she"? I`m sorry. See, the confusion is -- I`m sorry.
CORBETT: Well, but I think the confusion is actually important to hold in mind here because we`re all contradictory, right? So why should we expect --
BEHAR: Yes.
CORBETT: -- Chaz to not be contradictory.
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BEHAR: So -- right.
CORBETT: And I don`t really know her so I don`t know what her sexual orientation is, right? And -- and I guess we can rely on what she says --
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BEHAR: Well, she was gay. She was gay.
CORBETT: She was gay.
BEHAR: Yes, when she was a woman. Now she`s a guy and I guess I don`t know when --
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CORBETT: So there`s a new place --
BEHAR: I guess we have to put aside labels and just try to understand --
CORBETT: Well, there`s a new phrase called homo-erratic.
BEHAR: Erratic.
CORBETT: And I think that that actually may describe this quite well.
BEHAR: Diego, let me talk to you for a second. Now, you were a woman and now you`ve become a man, right?
DIEGO SANCHEZ, LEGISLATIVE ASST. TO REP. BARNEY FRANK: That`s correct.
BEHAR: Which I have to ask you because people are wondering about the surgery involved in going from a woman to a man. Is it -- is it -- is it completely satisfying to make that transition?
SANCHEZ: It is life saving for myself and Chaz and I are friends. He is a great guy. And -- and I think that when you`re talking about Cher, she actually said some very supportive things as well.
BEHAR: Yes.
SANCHEZ: You know, that you call that one thing that that may be questionable.
BEHAR: No, I did not -- I don`t think that was questionable. I think that she was trying to put herself in his shoes.
CORBETT: Absolutely.
SANCHEZ: Sure. And -- and that`s the thing with gender identity disorder is our shoes are our own. And the same way that Cher was saying she would have been, you know, mortified if she had to be in a man`s body, that`s how it is for transsexual men.
BEHAR: Yes.
SANCHEZ: People like me, if we have to live our lives as female. So it`s that.
BEHAR: Ok.
Now, Laverne, I understand the surgery that you went through, it sounded horrendous to me when I heard about it. I mean, it`s a very, very hard surgery, is it not?
COX: It`s really hard to live in -- in a body that you`re not comfortable with. It`s really interesting that you`re asking about surgery, because that`s what most people want to know about --
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BEHAR: Yes.
COX: -- when they hear about someone being transgender. What was the surgery like? Did it hurt? Does that mean you had surgery? I think it`s really important when we talk to transgender people that we don`t focus on surgery that we try to focus on the human beings and try to focus on the feelings. I think when we`re always preoccupied with surgery it tends to objectify --
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BEHAR: I agree with that, but we still want to know.
COX: -- transgender people. Yes, exactly.
BEHAR: Yes and I think you`re right.
CORBETT: And -- and you also tend to only talk about the body in surgeries.
BEHAR: Yes.
CORBETT: And we have to recognize that there is --
BEHAR: Well, stay right here. We have another segment. We`ll talk about the other part when we come back.
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BEHAR: We`re continuing our discussion about and with transgender people. Laverne, you said you were not a typical boy. Tell me about that. What does that mean?
COX: I was very feminine growing up. So much so that when I was in third grade my teacher called my mother and said to my mother, your son is going to end up in New Orleans wearing a dress if you don`t get him in to therapy right away. I grew up in Mobile, Alabama.
I went to the therapist. There was all this effort to try to fix me and make me act more masculine. And it didn`t work.
BEHAR: How old were you when you first realized you wanted to be a female?
COX: I always thought I was. When a therapist asked me if I knew the difference between a boy and a girl, I said that there was no difference because in my head everyone had been telling me that I was a boy but I felt like a girl. So I didn`t think there was any difference.
When I was eight years old and all the therapy stuff happened, then I was like, this is the problem. I always felt like a girl. But then I started pushing it down until I met other trans people.
BEHAR: And Diego, I would ask you the same thing. Were you not a typical girl when you were little?
SANCHEZ: Probably not. When I was five, I told my parents that I was born wrong. And my parents dually, privately socialized me so they socialized me to learn things that I needed to learn things that I needed to know as a girl and taught me things that affirmed me as a boy. I was very fortunate.
My mother brought out "Life Magazine" with Christine Jorgensen (ph) on it. And explained to me, I don`t know if there are other people like you, but if there`s someone who is born a boy and becomes a woman after growing up to be a man, by the time you grow up, it will be just fine. So I was very fortunate.
BEHAR: Wow. That`s something. Isn`t it? Laverne, you are dating men now, right?
COX: I do date men.
BEHAR: Do you tell them ahead of time your situation?
COX: Absolutely. I just met a guy on the street the other day. And I was like, I`m transsexual. And for me, it --
BEHAR: What do they say? What did he say to you?
COX: He was very interested still. I think he knew already. Sometimes guys know, and sometimes they don`t. I like to get it out of the way ahead of time so I don`t get hurt. If I started liking someone and they reject me, I just get it out of the way.
BEHAR: Yes. And they could be violent if they think they`ve been duped.
COX: Absolutely.
BEHAR: So you have to tell them.
COX: It`s important that people realize I`m not trying to fool anyone. I`m just trying to be true to who I am.
BEHAR: Is that true of you too, Diego?
SANCHEZ: Absolutely. I live openly disclosed and always have. It`s the only right thing to do but it`s also just a point of personal comfort. If it`s safe, it`s very good to come out.
There are times when people, as you know, that it`s not safe for them. And then they don`t always have a luxury of disclosing.
BEHAR: Exactly. You know, the word "tranny" is misused now. I was reprimanded -- well not reprimanded -- I was told by GLAAD -- I got an award from GLAAD -- so they`re not yelling at me. But GLAAD did call me up and said listen, "tranny" is not the correct usage any more. It has to be transgender.
Tell me about the whole community. Is it people who have had the surgery, people who are -- didn`t have the surgery but believe that they are trapped in the wrong gender, right? And what else? How about a transvestite? Is that considered in the same group of people?
CORBETT: Well, not exactly. But I think that what`s important to understand is that people live with a spectrum of wishes. What they do to their bodies is also a spectrum.
But one of the things that Diego was just saying which has to do with safety I think is really important because what I think he`s saying is that gender pushes us around. And you know, boys learn to be boys by not being girls; girls learn to be girls by not being boys. It sets up this opposition. And as a result there`s no mixing. You can`t mix, right?
And so there`s a lot of violence and there`s a lot of bullying. And recently two mothers have come out in support of their young boys.
BEHAR: That`s what mothers need to do. And Diego`s mother sounds like she was very supportive.
Thank you very much, everybody, for this interesting conversation. We`ll be back in a minute.
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ANNOUNCER: Coming up a little later on the JOY BEHAR SHOW, Barbara Bush says she hopes that Sarah Palin stays in Alaska. And the seductive, Joan Collins, drops by to talk about her controversial career and her new one-woman show. Now back to Joy.
BEHAR: The newest poster child for TSA outrage is actually a child. You`re watching video of an 8-year-old boy caught on tape going through a TSA security checkpoint shirtless.
Here to talk about this and other stories du jour are the lovely Rachel Sklar, editor at large for mediaite.com, the lovely, Laura Bennett, designer and author of "Didn`t I Feed You Yesterday?: A Mother`s Guide To Sanity in Stilettos," and the lovely, Jamie Kilstein, co-host of Citizen Radio at wearecitizenradio.com. Rachel, where do we draw the line? Should public safety outweigh privacy and comfort?
RACHEL SKLAR, EDITOR-AT-LARGE, MEDIATE.COM: I mean, that`s the big question right now, right? And that it feels like the TSA isn`t quite getting that balance right. I mean, there just has to be limits on this. You wonder if the TSA is focusing so much energy on these ridiculous scans and searches of people who clearly are not a danger, then, you know, all those resources are in the wrong place. So, what`s getting through? What are they not focusing on?
BEHAR: Well, I mean, the alternative is racial profiling, isn`t it? I mean, you really can`t do racial profiling. It`s against the law, number one, at the moment. It`s politically off the wall. And not only that, but to me, these people will then put, you know, blue-eyed blonds carrying bombs. So, what will it do?
SKLAR: Well, I guess what that really says is that you know, you can`t think ahead to every single situation. You just have to try and cover all the bases that you can.
JAMIE KILSTEIN, CO-HOST OF CITIZEN RADIO: The racial profiling thing really scares me because you already see politicians talking about it.
BEHAR: Right.
KILSTEIN: But they`re using code words. So, it`s not a racial profiling. It`s behavioral profiling, which pretty much just mean if you behave like someone who is not white, we will arrest you. Like, it`s just going to be coded Republican racial profiling.
BEHAR: What do you say? You`re a republican. Go for it.
LAURA BENNETT, AUTHOR, "DIDN`T I FEED YOU YESTERDAY": I know, I never told you that before. This boy set off --
BEHAR: I still love you.
BENNETT: He set off the metal detector. And he was wearing a bulky sweatshirt. Unfortunately, his father didn`t put a T-shirt underneath. So, the father voluntarily took off the sweatshirt and they had to pat him down because he set off the metal detector.
BEHAR: I see. Yes.
BENNETT: And you know, I don`t know. I think it`s not a big deal. I don`t understand all the fuss.
BEHAR: Well, you realize that if -- this is really kind of gross, but bear with me. If these terrorists wanted to put a bomb into a person`s body cavity and we all know where that would be, especially if you`re a man --
KILSTEIN: Yes.
BEHAR: Or if you`re a woman, you know where it would go.
SKLAR: We all understand biology.
BEHAR: OK. There is no way that these scanners can detect it. You have to go through an MRI. So, aren`t they going to then pull something like that?
BENNETT: Well, I think the new scanners do detect it.
BEHAR: I don`t think so.
KILSTEIN: No, they`re not.
BEHAR: They can only see through your clothes. They can see if you`re hiding a bomb in your underwear or in your pants.
SKLAR: But the notion of putting something in a cavity isn`t new. It`s not like this just like came up. I mean, it`s certainly been done before in smuggling, has it not?
BEHAR: Well, it`s done with drugs, but nothing ticking.
BENNETT: I was patted down three times on the subway on the way here and I survived. So, I don`t see the big deal.
KILSTEIN: What were you doing to get patted down three times?
BENNETT: It`s just crowded on the subway. It`s just crowded.
BEHAR: OK. Just FYI, John Tyner, the don`t touch my junk guy, OK, will be here tomorrow. So, stay tune for that one tomorrow night. OK. Let`s switch gears. A London bishop, Pete Broadbent, is in hot water after predicting on his Facebook page that the marriage of Prince William and Kate Middleton will last just seven years. Is he jealous, do you think, or what`s his problem? Go ahead.
BENNETT: I think that it wasn`t a comment on them personally. I think that was his sort of commentary on celebrity and royal marriages. But the real story, and I think, Rachel agrees is what is a bishop doing on Facebook? And does he Twitter?
SKLAR: He can be on Facebook, but like --
BENNETT: Is he tweeting from the confessional, got a hot one.
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BEHAR: They`re not catholic.
SKLAR: This story is not like a bishop made a pronouncement on a wedding that has yet to take place. The story is that he posted this to his Facebook page.
KILSTEIN: I don`t know a lot about the story, but isn`t seven years for a celebrity marriage good? Isn`t that like double what most celebrity marriages are?
BEHAR: Exactly.
SKLAR: And it`s actually less than they`ve already been together. They`ve been together for eight years.
KILSTEIN: Yes. I mean, you know, you hear the stories about all these dysfunctional celebrity relationships. One, I think the guy may have made it as a compliment. It`s like they`re going to set some record. And two, whenever you see Hollywood relationships, it`s kind of like, ah, but we`re worried about gay marriage like I would rather those kind of people - -
BEHAR: Do you want to see a picture of the bishop?
KILSTEIN: Yes.
BEHAR: Would you love that?
KILSTEIN: Yes.
BEHAR: OK. Let`s see. There he is. Can you see him? He`s got a big bottle of beer, a stein of beer. He`s ready to party down.
SKLAR: He`s ready to post on his Facebook page.
BEHAR: They say that the wedding will cost $40 million. Why don`t the royal family pay for it? Why shouldn`t (ph) the taxpayers pay for that? I don`t believe in any of that.
SKLAR: Because the royal family is on the money.
BEHAR: They`re on the dole, for many, many years.
SKLAR: They`re on the actual money.
BEHAR: OK. They`re on the money. But it`s given to them by the taxpayers of England which they`re not having an easy time right now financially in that country.
SKLAR: But they`re going to have -- there`s going to be such a financial windfall from all the Kate and Will`s merchandise, and you know, there`s going to be a tourist boom.
BEHAR: And where does all that money go? Back to the royal family.
SKLAR: You know, like the -- I mean, I don`t really know the complex economics of it, but, you know, marriage is an industry and a wedding like this is a huge industry. I will buy the commemorative, you know, "Time" magazine or whatever of it.
BEHAR: Do you feel a special affection since you`re a Canadian?
SKLAR: I do. The queen`s on my money. I`m just happy that those two crazy kids, you know, worked it out.
BEHAR: Do you think they`re in love, Jamie, or is it a fix-up? What do you think?
KILSTEIN: Yes. I mean, I don`t know. I think they might be in love. This is the first time I`ve heard the price of the wedding. I`m so stunned at it where I`m just like class war, let`s go after them. Like, this is so --
BEHAR: I mean, even Joan Rivers didn`t spend that much on Melissa.
(LAUGHTER) BEHAR: She had a very expensive wedding. Yes. OK. Finally, I`d like to introduce a new segment called "Hero of the Week." You know, a hero can be someone who gives us courage. Watch.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
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BEHAR: Or breaks barriers?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One small step for man. One giant leap for mankind.
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BEHAR: But sometimes, a hero is someone who simply gives voice to what we`re all thinking.
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LARRY KING, CNN ANCHOR: What`s your read about Sarah Palin?
BARBARA BUSH, FORMER FIRST LADY OF THE UNITED STATES: Well, I sat next to her once. Thought she was beautiful. And I think she`s very happy in Alaska, and I hope she`ll stay there.
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BEHAR: Barbara Bush, my hero of the week. OK. Now --
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KILSTEIN: I stood up and cheered like my team just won the World Series. Like, I went crazy, because, too, the thing about Barbara Bush is she has tolerance for horrible people. Her son is George W. Bush. So, for her, it takes a special kind of just mean homophobe kill animal killer to get Barbara riled up. You know what I mean? The fact that, you know, her son --
BEHAR: You`re talking about Sarah now?
KILSTEIN: Sarah, yes. I mean --
BEHAR: And those are her good points.
SKLAR: And heating (ph) on "Dancing With The Stars" shall not stand.
KILSTEIN: We know for the fact that, you know, her son is just like, two failed wars, the economy is in shambles. That`s my Georgie. But then someone asks her about Sarah Palin as she`s like the crazy woman that shoots animals out of a helicopter? Send her back to Alaska. I love that.
BEHAR: Bur do you think, Laura, that this is this a case of Barbara trying to clear the playing field for her son Jeb Bush?
BENNETT: Oh, my gosh.
BEHAR: And can the country tolerate another Bush in the White House?
BENNETT: No, I don`t think the country can tolerate another Bush. Even as a Republican, I couldn`t tolerate it. No, I think that this shows that we all have something to look forward to in our old age because only like a grandmotherly person could sit there so sweet, oh, she`s such a beautiful girl. You know, I`m going out today and buying myself a big pair of pearls.
BEHAR: No I just say that Barbara Bush has always been somewhat malo lengua (ph), as we say? Look it up. Evil tongue. Because, remember when Geraldine Ferraro was running. Now, how long ago was that? Twenty, 30 years? 1984, OK? This is her quote. She referred to Geraldine Ferraro as the $4 million -- I can`t say it, but it rhymes with witch. OK. Barbara Bush is no slouch when it comes to remarks of that order. But do you think that the GOP is worried about Sarah Palin? Laura, you answer this as a Republican.
BENNETT: I think that you can be a Republican and know that she`s crazy. And not --
BEHAR: Who, Sarah?
BENNETT: Sarah Palin.
BEHAR: Oh, I don`t think she`s crazy.
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BENNETT: But it`s not just that she`s a Republican. I mean, she`s not a viable candidate.
BEHAR: Yes, but she is splitting the Republican Party in many ways. You know, like the Karl Roves. The so-called intellectual part of the party does not really like her. She`s very anti-intellectual. She`s not anti-money, though. She loves money. You notice that? Yes, money`s OK.
KILSTEIN: She just tells people what they want to hear where she says be afraid and don`t change. You`re right and be terrified of people that don`t look like you.
BEHAR: OK. Thank you very much, guys. Very interesting.
Up next, the glamorous Joan Collins will join me.
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BEHAR: As feisty as she is glamorous, Joan Collins is the grand dame of divas. She`s perhaps best known for playing the scheming Alexis Carrington on the 1980s hit "Dynasty." Take a look
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JOAN COLLINS, ENTERTAINER: Take your hands off me, Crystal.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is not until you`re out of here. I want you out of my house.
COLLINS: Your house? This was my house while you were living in a shack somewhere.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Alexis, if you don`t go down those stairs and out that door, I`ll throw you out myself.
COLLINS: I wouldn`t want you to exert yourself, my dear. I`m leaving.
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BEHAR: With me now is the fabulous Miss Joan Collins. Joan, you know, you started giggling when you see those clips.
COLLINS: Yes.
BEHAR: Why, they`re funny?
COLLINS: The dialogue is so camp and witty. I mean, it really is funny, I have to say. I started watching the show this summer because it`s airing constantly in Europe. And no wonder people liked the show. It was very funny.
BEHAR: It is very funny.
COLLINS: Yes.
BEHAR: And you show a lot of those clips and you show it --
COLLINS: I do.
BEHAR: Saw your show, and you`re having a good time there?
COLLINS: I`m having a great time. One night with Joan and you see everything about me. And you see my clips, you see my -- oh, my God, it`s on now. You see family pictures. You see movie film. You see home movies. You see one of my husband`s nude.
BEHAR: Which one was that? Which husband was nude?
COLLINS: Let`s see if it will show.
BEHAR: I did see it.
COLLINS: The back part of him when I`m singing the song.
BEHAR: Yes. That`s right. You`ve had a lot of husbands.
COLLINS: I have, yes.
BEHAR: This is number five, right, the one you have now?
COLLINS: Yes, but this is the one, the one, the one. I`ve kissed all those frogs, and now I`m with my prince charming.
BEHAR: You didn`t say that about any of your other husbands, this is the one.
COLLINS: Well, first of all, I`m 18 when I married the first one which is what I say in the show. I was a virgin, you know, and he took my virginity which in those days was a -- the second one, you know, I wanted to have children. And it was perfectly fine except that he was having quite a lot of affairs with quite a lot of ladies.
BEHAR: Was he famous, the second one?
COLLINS: Anthony Newly.
BEHAR: Oh, Anthony Newly.
COLLINS: Yes.
BEHAR: Well, that was number two.
COLLINS: Yes. And three --
BEHAR: (SINGING) What kind of fool am I? That`s Anthony Newly.
COLLINS: That`s it. yes. Well, you know, you`re going to have to come and see the show. You remember it, though.
BEHAR: I do, yes.
COLLINS: And then, the number three was wonderful. And I had my second daughter, but unfortunately, he got into -- can I say this? Drugs? You know. And that is something that is very hard to beat. And that is why I am like the biggest anti-drug campaigner that you can ever find.
BEHAR: So, so far, the first one was a thief, he took your virginity. The second one was a philander and the third one was a druggie.
COLLINS: Yes,
BEHAR: So, what about number four?
COLLINS: Number four was an idiot and Swedish.
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BEHAR: An idiot and Swedish.
COLLINS: Just refer to him as the swee`d. We don`t even talk about him. That was big, big, big mistake.
BEHAR: And number five?
COLLINS: Number five is Percy who I`m married to now. Perfect Percy from Peru, who is just absolutely wonderful, kind, loving, clever, smart, good looking and the only thing, of course, is that he`s a few years younger than me. When people ask me about that, I say, well, if he dies, he dies.
BEHAR: Larry King says that about his wife, too.
COLLINS: He stole that from me, joy. He stole it from me. I`ve been saying this since I first did the show which was like two years ago.
BEHAR: He stole that line from you?
COLLINS: Yes, yes.
BEHAR: He`s 32 years younger than you.
COLLINS: That`s it. Yes.
BEHAR: That`s a record for a cougar.
COLLINS: Is it?
BEHAR: Yes.
COLLINS: Good. I like breaking records.
BEHAR: Yes.
COLLINS: Why not?
BEHAR: Yes. I mean, tell me about that. My guy is seven years younger, but that`s nothing compared to --
COLLINS: No, I know, but it doesn`t bother us. I mean, people do not make a big thing about it when they see us together. They don`t seem to think --
BEHAR: Because you look good.
COLLINS: Yes, I guess I do. Yes. And he does. And I guess, I look a little younger and he looks about his age. So, it`s like, you know, people don`t really -- you know something, Joy, people have hardly commented on it since we got married. In fact, even the newspapers and you know what they can be. Yes. Pains in the A.
BEHAR: How did you squeeze Warren Beatty into -- and I heard that you were engaged to Beatty. When was that?
COLLINS: I was. I was engaged to him for about a year. That was after husband number one and before husband number two.
BEHAR: Well, number two was a philanderer and Warren Beatty was a major philanderer.
COLLINS: When I met him, he was 21, and I was a couple of years older. And he was just terribly sweet and innocent and he didn`t know anybody in Hollywood. I mean, I met him with Jane Fonda. He was dating Jane Fonda, and then, he started calling me. And then we started going out together like almost immediately and then we got engaged.
He gave me the -- he gave me the engagement ring, he said, I need some chopped liver? Did we have some chopped liver because we were living together in New York. I said, yes, I think I bought some, you know, I bought some. So, I got out and he said, can you spoon some out for me. So, I spooned it out. And there is this massive gold ring encrusted with - -
BEHAR: In the chopped liver.
COLLINS: In the chopped liver. So, good thing, I didn`t swallow it. No, I couldn`t. It was huge. And then I wore it all the way through this silly movie that I did call "Esther and the King," which we have a clip of that in the -- one-woman show.
BEHAR: In your show?
COLLINS: Yes. I wore the ring. And now, I`m wearing Princess Diana`s ring.
BEHAR: It looks like that.
COLLINS: It does look like that.
BEHAR: Is this a copy of that ring?
COLLINS: No, it`s not a copy.
BEHAR: It looks similar, the sapphire.
COLLINS: I`ve had it like 25 years.
BEHAR: What do you think of the marriage between Middleton and Prince William, because you`re a Brit, right?
COLLINS: Oh, I`m a Brit are you kidding me? I am so excited about that, Joy. I think it`s the best thing that has happened to the monarchy since Princess Diana. And I mean, I`m sure you remember that wedding. She was the absolute, most gorgeous, fabulous thing. I loved her so much. I thought she was absolutely wonderful. I met her several times. You know, she was always so sweet and kind and giving. And I think these two together are going to be fantastic.
BEHAR: Well, people are saying that this looks like a love match.
COLLINS: It is.
BEHAR: As opposed to, you know, Charles and Di, which was not a love match.
COLLINS: Yes which was being a broodmare (ph).
BEHAR: But this guy, this bishop of Willisden, this guy named, Bishop Pete Broadbent, he says he`s giving the marriage seven years.
COLLINS: Well, he`s a fool. And I think the bishop has absolutely no right to come out with comments like that. How dare he?
BEHAR: He can say whatever he wants.
COLLINS: Yes, you know something, we can say whatever you like. Well, I`ll say he`s a schmuck.
BEHAR: OK.
COLLINS: Is that all right?
BEHAR: Well, at least, say he`s a bishop schmuck.
COLLINS: A bishop schmuck.
BEHAR: Yes, but you know, he said that. He feels as though it`s just shallow. He said it`s a shallow relationship.
COLLINS: Yes. Well, I think I read something about that. And I think he`s a celebrity hating bishop. That`s what these people have known each other for nine years.
BEHAR: Yes.
COLLINS: And I think that their relationship is built on friendship which is what mine is build on with Percy. And I think that he knows -- he`s seen it all, you know, Prince William. And he`s told her, obviously, and I think they know what they`re getting into. And I`m sure he will be a fabulous king.
BEHAR: OK. We`re going to take a break. We`ll have more with the fabulous Joan Collins when we come back.
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COLLINS: You are a common workman. That basement looks like it`s been scrubbed and polished.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But I`m making report that (INAUDIBLE).
COLLINS: Yes, 7:00 in the morning. Do you have a flop for the night?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What?
COLLINS: You really are new at this, aren`t you? A flop is a place to sleep.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh.
COLLINS: Well, there`s a vacant room at the place where I live for $2 a week. If you want to, I`ll take you there.
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BEHAR: Is it me or Shatner (ph) leering at you. That was the beautiful Joan Collins in a classic 1967 episode of "Star Trek." He was like leering, wasn`t he?
COLLINS: Yes. It was first time that Captain Kirk ever fell in love. He fell in love with her. Unfortunately, she died.
BEHAR: I`m sorry. You know, you said that you think Angelina Jolie is beautiful. She`s a beautiful woman. I agree with that, but she was also -- she`s very thin. And then I read somewhere else that you said that you were very thin only eating 850 calories a day. Now, what is this with the anorexia in Hollywood?
COLLINS: Oh, God, well, I don`t do that any more. I did that for a particular scene. You saw it. When I had to take off all my clothes in that scene in the stud (ph), you know,
BEHAR: You were scared.
COLLINS: I was scared and skinny. So, I only did that for about two weeks. It was hell. I don`t know about anorexia in Hollywood. I think that actually the producers and the directors want their women to look really thin. And I heard about a director recently who saw two girls for the same role and the girl that was much more suitable they said, no, no, you can`t have her, she`s too fat.
She weighed like 122 pounds. The other one was like 116. I think it`s out of hand. It`s gotten out of hand. Because not only are they so thin, but they`ve got these sort of tiny watermelons stuck up there, too.
BEHAR: I know. They`re more like peaches.
COLLINS: Oh, peaches. Tiny peaches.
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BEHAR: But I think that she`s a gorgeous girl also. She`s on the cover of "Vogue" this month. She really is stunning. You know who else is a beauty of the period is Charlize Theron.
COLLINS: Oh, gorgeous.
BEHAR: She`s a beautiful girl also.
COLLINS: And a fabulous actress.
BEHAR: She`s wonderful.
COLLINS: She did a wonderful movie in which she took off all her makeup and she looked hideous. It was --
BEHAR: And she won --
COLLINS: And she won the Oscar. Yes.
BEHAR: Of course. I take off my makeup and people are adjusting their radios.
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BEHAR: Beyonce is another beautiful woman in the business.
COLLINS: Yes.
BEHAR: She`s a --
COLLINS: I love her body. I love Jennifer Lopez. I like women who look like women.
BEHAR: Me, too.
COLLINS: And I certainly know that my husband does and all the men that I know do except perhaps those in the fashion industry.
BEHAR: Now, we`ve gotten a couple of tweet questions, Twitter questions. I`m going to give you a couple really fast. Who in Hollywood would you bitch slap if you could get away with it?
COLLINS: God. If you told me this before, I would have thought. I never bitch slapped anybody except on screen.
BEHAR: Let`s say politics. Let`s say Sarah Palin or Nancy Pelosi?
COLLINS: Oh, Sarah Palin.
BEHAR: Oh, you`d bitch slap her. OK.
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BEHAR: Have you been watching "Dancing With The Stars" where Bristol Palin keeps winning, and my theory is that the tea party is voting for her.
COLLINS: Yes, I think they are. Apparently, I had something yesterday that they stay up and they do three, six, 800 votes at a time. I haven`t really watched it because I`m doing my one-woman show.
BEHAR: That`s right. At Feinstein`s.
COLLINS: Yes.
BEHAR: It says here you`re a bit of a germaphobe. This is a question, how do you handle that when I`m sure everyone wants to touch you. That`s a Twitter question.
COLLINS: I have now started actually saying to people, I`m sorry, but I don`t shake hands because that is like the way to get a cold. I am going to London next week, and I`m starting rehearsals for a very grueling show in Birmingham, actually.
BEHAR: So, don`t touch anybody.
COLLINS: No. Only your husband.
BEHAR: Lovely to have you here, Joan.
COLLINS: Thank you, Joy.
BEHAR: Good luck with your show.
COLLINS: Thank you.
BEHAR: Remember, if you`re in New York, catch Joan Collins in "One Night with Joan" at Feinstein`s until November 27th. Thank you for watching. Goodnight, everybody.
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