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Weekly Round Up; Interview With Brandy; Interview with the Kardashians
Aired December 03, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HOST: So many bomb shells revealed this week in the WikiLeaks scandals that I don`t know where to start. For example Moammar Qaddafi was having a fling with a buxom blonde nurse but we found a couple juicy tidbits on our own. For example German chancellor Angela Merkel actually enjoyed her back rub from George bush so much she can`t wait to visit Crawford to help him clear brush. That`s true. And Dick Cheney asked Qaddafi for his nurse`s number, not because she`s hot but because she knows CPR. Ok?
ANNOUNCER: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW from Margaret Cho`s choice words for Sarah Palin to the academy`s bold decision to pick two non- comedians to host the Oscars. Joy will have the latest on this week`s wild stories.
Then Brandy is here to talk about her unfair shake on dancing with the stars and her very public dry spell.
Plus, the Kardashians are here; Kim, Khloe and Kourtney tell Joy about being sisters in the spotlight.
That and more, starting right now.
BEHAR: You know, let`s wrap up the week by looking back at some of the most interesting stories we`ve covered. Like Khloe Kardashian, she made headlines when she confessed to losing her virginity at the age of 14. I shared that I lost mine at 21 which is really unbelievably old isn`t it? Oh, my god. She lost it to an 18-year-old guy.
Here to talk about this and other stories from the week are Sarah Bernard, host of "The Thread" on Yahoo!; comedian Seth Herzog and fabulous actress Sally Kellerman.
First of all, let`s watch a clip of Khloe when she and her sisters were here on Monday. And you`ll see what we`re talking about.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Basically I got pressured into having sex. I wasn`t ready. I barely knew my own body.
BEHAR: Who pressured you? He did?
KARDASHIAN: The guy. He did. And I felt like if I didn`t, I would not be cool or this guy wouldn`t want to talk to me anymore. And I feel like so many girls do things either sexually or even with cliques, even if they`re just girls, just hanging out, they do things either doing drugs or just because they feel pressured.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: She was pressured into it, she says. Do you think that her coming out and talking about it like that will help other 14-year-olds to not get pressured into having sex? Unbelievable -- 14.
SALLY KELLERMAN, ACTRESS: Well, you know, I have 21-year-old twins and my daughter, a boy and a girl. And I`m thinking when I first heard this, I thought, "Whoopie, big news", you know. And when I`m hearing her talk now, it is important. I mean fear, you know, wanting to be loved or liked.
BEHAR: Yes.
KELLERMAN: And things like that. So it is a good message, to me that she is sending out.
BEHAR: And the guy is 18 which I believe is called statutory rape.
(CROSSTALK)
SARAH BERNHARD, HOST, "THE THREAD": Technically, there is a little bit of an age issue there. But what surprised me the most is I can`t believe there was anything I didn`t know about Khloe Kardashian or any of the Kardashians for that matter. I feel like I`ve seen every aspect of their lives, you know. The babies being born, the marriages, whatever they buy that day. Just to have some new information.
And then I was thinking, wait a minute. This is so genius. They have a book to sell this week. Right? And they have a bit of a scandal going on with this debit card that has their picture on it but it actually charged a lot of fees and they`re recalling it. So instead of focusing on that let`s just let everybody know about our virginity.
SETH HERZOG, COMEDIAN: Yes. Yes, they`re wagging the dog a little bit there.
BEHAR: Yes.
BERNHARD: Brilliant, right? This is a sort of a safe yet controversial topic.
BEHAR: Were you fascinated by this, Seth?
HERZOG: I was fascinated by this. I literally watched every clip of it I could possibly watch of it over and over again. I`m like when did she lose it? Could you describe it slower? I didn`t know -- I couldn`t imagine, I couldn`t imagine Khloe having sex at 14 over and over again. You know, that is a problem.
BEHAR: You know they all shared, by the way, all three of them, under duress, they shared what age they were when they lost it. One of them was 15. Kim was 15. This one was 14. The other one was 16. That`s young.
HERZOG: I`ll be honest. That is very young.
BEHAR: How old were you? Come on, Sally.
KELLERMAN: Oh, so good. Thought you`d never get to it. Somebody told me that if you, when I was a kid, if you were still a virgin at 22 you`d be frigid. So I rushed out with the first guy who liked me, 21.
BEHAR: 21. Me, too.
HERZOG: You`re right under the wire.
BERNHARD: Amazing.
HERZOG: No one wanted to be frigid then.
BEHAR: What about you, Seth?
HERZOG: I was a little late bloomer. I was 35. Well, 34, right before my 35th. I was like, someone said if you don`t get it in by 35 you`re just gay.
BERNHARD: You`re frigid. Oh, gay.
BEHAR: And you, Sarah? Would you like to share?
BERNHARD: 17.
BEHAR: 17. You little harlot.
BERNHARD: Well, you know what? That seems so old. That seems so old.
BEHAR: Now, these Kardashians -- before we go on to another story -- they`re famous for being famous.
HERZOG: Yes.
BEHAR: They kept getting that question asked of them the whole time they were here. But in our day, remember Zsa Zsa Gabor? She was kind of famous for being famous. And Pia Zadora -- does anyone recall Pia Zadora.
HERZOG: Of course, are you kidding me?
BERNHARD: This brings back memories of "The Love Boat" and "Fantasy Island". That was --
BEHAR: Yes, I mean a lot of people have claims to being famous.
HERZOG: Charo.
BEHAR: Charo, yes, they have a talent though.
KELLERMAN: Pia Zadora her husband, you know, financed her movies and in Vegas she sang and everything like that.
BERNHARD: But we`re forgetting, they really do actually have a clothing store, several clothing stores.
BEHAR: The Kardashians.
BERNHARD: Right. They call it Dash and they have an amazing brand. I am really actually impressed with them businesswise for how they`ve grown this out of literally nothing.
BEHAR: Yes. Right. Ok.
HERZOG: That is always the excuse.
BERNHARD: I love Kim.
BEHAR: All right. Moving on.
HERZOG: Yes.
BEHAR: Earlier this week the Academy -- you know the Academy of Arts and Sciences announced that Anne Hathaway and James Franco will co-host next year`s Oscars. In Franco`s latest film he spends 127 hours stuck underneath a boulder so it`s safe to say he already knows what it`s like to sit through the show.
Sarah, do you think having such a young pair of hosts, 32 and 28, that that will draw a young audience?
BERNHARD: It`s really interesting. That must be why they`re chosen. That`s really the only thing that they have in common with each other. Last year`s show where it was Alec Baldwin and Steve Martin hosting it arguably on the other end of the age spectrum, that year actually brought in about 8 million viewers in the 18 to 34-year-old category which is what everyone wants, right?
BEHAR: Yes.
BERNHARD: That`s the sort of target demo.
But when Jon Stewart hosted it a couple of years back, obviously a younger guy, they only got 6.5 million.
BEHAR: So what do you make of that?
BERNHARD: I think it was really more about the movies than the host. It was Avatar`s year last year, that was a very popular young movie. That`s why so many people tuned in. I`m not exactly sure getting younger hosts is actually going to --
BEHAR: And Jon Stewart what were they showing, "Cocoon"?
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Now Seth, you know, a lot of people say only comedians -- and you should weigh in on this too because you`ve been nominated yourself for supporting actress, right?
KELLERMAN: Yes.
BEHAR: But a lot of people say that only comedians should host because they have the ability to ad lib and do the jokes. I mean, Bob Hope did it for many years and other people.
HERZOG: Billy crystal and such.
KELLERMAN: I agree.
BEHAR: You agree with that?
KELLERMAN: I don`t know. I was thinking, you seem much more knowledgeable than I but I was thinking, well, they were trying to be creative and trying a new, something and you`re going right to the commerce.
BEHAR: A businesswoman. You`re back on the Kardashians.
KELLERMAN: I wanted to be.
BEHAR: What do you think about this?
HERZOG: At first I thought, yes. Comedians should do it but then they`re only not doing much. As a host you`re only on for like six, seven minutes at the top then just introducing the other presenters. You know, just introducing people who introduce people. There isn`t much to do.
But I think it is better if you are a comic but at the same time they`re going to have writers. They`re going to have people to tell them what to say.
KELLERMAN: Then we`ll get to see what they do. I can`t imagine it because we`ve been so used to the other thing but --
HERZOG: They`re going to do a song and dance. They`re going to do some sketches. I`m sure at the beginning --
BEHAR: All right. Whatever. Ok.
(CROSSTALK)
HERZOG: It`s a lot like the show.
BEHAR: Let`s talk about my favorite subject.
KELLERMAN: This is what I`m looking forward to.
BEHAR: Sarah Palin. Because comedian and former dancing with the stars contestant Margaret Cho has posted something on her Web site or blog. Listen to what she writes. "Sarah supposedly blames Bristol harshly and openly in circles that I heard it from," -- she says -- "for not winning the election. And so she told Bristol she owed it to her to do `Dancing with the Stars` so that, quote, America would fall in love with her again and make it possible for Sarah to run in 2012 with America behind her all the way."
You know delusion is a form of mental illness. Let me get that out of the way. I`m talking about Sarah. In other words, the girl is pushed -- this is according to Margaret Cho and sources at the show -- the girl is pushed to do the show. She obviously is a klutz. She can`t dance.
It doesn`t matter. The woman wants to be back in, she`s pushing herself, the mother. What do you think about that?
BERNHARD: I think it is entirely possible this is really what happened. I mean she really definitely didn`t seem like she wanted to be there. She seemed like a fish out of water. It was really a bizarre situation for a young mother to be thrust into this. But in a weird way I think it might have worked. I mean, people really did keep her on that long.
HERZOG: I can`t believe Sarah Palin would do something like that, to get attention? I cannot believe. That`s not like her. It`s not what she does. TV reality shows? Not her thing. She is about the real America.
BEHAR: That`s right.
HERZOG: No, what about the story doesn`t make you think that that`s true? Of course that`s true. I mean of course.
KELLERMAN: No, I mean and -- this winning thing, I mean, it had to be, you know, it wasn`t just because everybody loved her so much.
BEHAR: No. The fix was in.
KELLERMAN: The fix was in. I think so.
BEHAR: Thank you, everybody, very much.
You can see Seth Herzog`s weekly show "Sweet" at Ella in New York. You can also see Sally Kellerman Sunday and Monday at the Metropolitan Room, a great room also in New York. Lastly, Sarah, I didn`t forget you, darling. Check out the top stories and trends of 2010, at yearinreview.yahoo.com. Got that?
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: Brandy is a Grammy-winning R&B singer, an actress, a reality star, most recently a fierce competitor on "Dancing with the Stars". Let`s take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Carrie Ann Inaba.
CARRIE ANN INABA, JUDGE, "DANCING WITH THE STARS": 10.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Len Goodman.
LEN GOODMAN, JUDGE, "DANCING WITH THE STARS": 10.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bruno Tonioli.
BRUNO TONIOLI, JUDGE, "DANCING WITH THE STARS": 10.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s a perfect score.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: With me now is the very talented Brandy. Hi, hi, how are you?
BRANDY, SINGER & ACTRESS: I`m good. How are you?
BEHAR: It`s good to see you. You know, I`m watching those judges.
BRANDY: It`s good to see you.
BEHAR: You won -- you had a perfect score, 10, 10, 10 from those three. And they`re very strict. And yet, you were voted off the next night. What happened? What do you think happened?
BRANDY: Well, I think that America, you know, has the power to vote. And I think that it was just my time to go. It was meant to be. But I had an amazing time.
BEHAR: No, no, no. It was not meant to be, Brandy. No, no, no.
BRANDY: It had to be because it happened.
BEHAR: No.
BRANDY: Oh.
BEHAR: We`re wondering over here if Maksim Chmerkovskiy, I love to say his name, if Maksim Chmerkovskiy had something to do with it because he was mouthing off to the judges and maybe they -- the audience out there turned on you because he was acting bad. What do you think of that?
BRANDY: Well, you know, you never know. But I can tell you that Maks is a very, very passionate person, and he was really taking up for me. He didn`t want me to be judged for something that he felt that he was responsible for. So, as a friend and as a partner, he was coming from a good place. And they have -- you know, it didn`t come off that way --
BEHAR: Yes. Right.
BRANDY: -- but, you know, he -- he did what he thought was best at the time.
BEHAR: No, I know. He meant -- he meant well, but it might have back fired, I`m just saying.
BRANDY: He did.
BEHAR: Yes.
BRANDY: He did -- it might have but --
BEHAR: Yes. You shouldn`t have been kicked off. I mean, you were really very good.
BRANDY: Thank you.
BEHAR: And Bristol Palin had the lowest scores and some people think the Tea Partiers kept voting her in. Do you buy that?
BRANDY: I mean, honestly, Joy, I just try not to even think about it because it was hard enough for me being eliminated. I really, really wanted to go to the final. And I just try to keep everything in a positive light because I gained my confidence back. I believe more in myself. And that`s what I gained from "Dancing with the Stars".
I can`t get caught up into all the rest of it because it just -- it makes your mind crazy, you know?
BEHAR: Yes. Well, well -- all right. I`ll stay on Bristol just for one more second because -- because the information we`re getting from Margaret Cho, who was backstage, is that Sarah Palin really pushed Bristol to be on the show so that Sarah could enhance --
BRANDY: Oh really.
BEHAR: -- her image with the American people. Did you hear anything backstage --
BRANDY: Oh wow.
BEHAR: -- that I could use right now?
BRANDY: I -- I didn`t. Joy, I didn`t -- I didn`t hear anything. I was trying to stay focused on me and Maks, so we can, you know, do what we had to do on the dance floor.
BEHAR: Ok.
BRANDY: Yes.
BEHAR: All right. Now, let`s go -- let`s talk about your sex life for a second, ok?
BRANDY: My sex life? Oh, snap.
BEHAR: Well, because you admitted on "Dancing with the Stars" that you haven`t had sex in, how many years, six or eight years?
BRANDY: Huh-uh. I never said that. I said I haven`t been with someone serious in six years.
BEHAR: Oh, so you`ve had casual sex?
BRANDY: Yes.
BEHAR: I see. Ok.
BRANDY: You`re putting words in my mouth, Joy. You`re putting words in my mouth.
BEHAR: I`m teasing you. You know I love you, Brandy. You`re so adorable. And I`m just teasing you.
BRANDY: I love you too.
BEHAR: Ok. Now, so, who have you been dating? Have you -- anybody we know?
BRANDY: It`s nobody you know. I haven`t really been on the dating scene in a -- in a long time. But on the new reality show with my family, "Brandy and Ray-J, A Family Business", you do see me open up and date here and there, you know, but these guys are just -- I just got to shake my heads on these guys.
BEHAR: Why, they`re bunch of losers?
BRANDY: But you see me -- no. They`re not losers. But, you know, it`s all about the chemistry and it`s about the connection. And something about them all just seems a little bit off.
BEHAR: Really.
BRANDY: I`m sorry to dish you guys on TV but -- yes, you`ll see it though.
BEHAR: Really, well that`s -- I mean, a lot --
BRANDY: Yes.
BEHAR: -- a lot of women say that. That it`s very hard to find a guy. And all the good ones are either married or gay.
BRANDY: It really is. You know --
BEHAR: Yes.
BRANDY: That sucks because I -- I really -- I`m a relationship girl, you know. I`m hopeful romantic. I`m ready to experience that again, you know? It`s been a while for me. So, you got anybody you can hook me up with?
BEHAR: Well, I don`t know. Maybe. I can make a match here. So, what`s your type?
BRANDY: Well, I like a guy that can make me laugh. Of course, he has to be smart, family-oriented. I like them a little bit tall so I can wear my heels.
BEHAR: That`s right.
BRANDY: And he has to definitely love children because I have a daughter, and she`s everything to me. So yes.
BEHAR: So -- so, he should be tall and funny? Ok. Brad Garrett.
BRANDY: Tall, funny and smart and driven. Driven, what`d you say?
BEHAR: Brad Garrett. Do you remember him? From "Everybody Loves Raymond". He was tall and funny. What about him? No, not your type. Would you go out with a sports guy, Brandy? How about a sports guy, a basketball player?
BRANDY: Of course, I will go out with a sports guy, a basketball player, yes. You know, it depends on the chemistry. I`ve actually dated a basketball player before. So, yes, that was fun.
BEHAR: Well, they tend to have a wandering eye, but who doesn`t?
BRANDY: They do.
BEHAR: Now, you mentioned that you have -- you`re a single mother with a lovely 8-year-old daughter named -- what`s her name?
BRANDY: Yes, Sy`rai.
BEHAR: Sy`rai? Ok.
BRANDY: Sy`rai. Yes. Look at her. She`s so cute.
BEHAR: She is adorable. Oh, my God. She`s so cute.
BRANDY: Yes, thank you.
BEHAR: What is she playing with like shrunken heads? What are those?
BRANDY: Oh Barbie dolls. The ones that come with, you know, the big face and all the hair so she can do a couple of hair styles. Yes.
BEHAR: She is gorgeous. Are you going to have any more?
BRANDY: Thank you. I would love to. I just have to find my significant other. Because, you know, you can`t -- you know. You can`t do anything without him.
BEHAR: You know what, Brandy, I meet a lot of people here, mostly losers, but still --
No, I`m kidding.
BRANDY: Oh my God.
BEHAR: No. I`m just kidding. They`re wonderful people come by here all the time. I`m going to keep an eye out for you, ok?
BRANDY: Please, Joy. Hook me up. I`ve been knowing you since I was, what 17? Come on, we`re family.
BEHAR: I know. It`s true. That`s true. Ok. I`m going to help you. Now, because I know that you --
BRANDY: Ok.
BEHAR: -- and you`re so talented, Brandy. I really think you`re terrific. And you started singing at the age of two.
BRANDY: Thank you.
BEHAR: You released your first record at 15.
BRANDY: Yes.
BEHAR: Now --
BRANDY: Yes.
BEHAR: -- that`s a tough -- that`s a tough road for a young person to have a career at such a young age.
BRANDY: It really is.
BEHAR: Would you like little Sy`rai to do that?
BRANDY: Actually, no. I want to keep her life as private and as normal as possible. This is one of the reasons why she`s not included in our family show because, you know, I just want her to have a normal life.
BEHAR: Yes, right. OK. That`s good. OK. Stay right there. I`m not done with you.
BRANDY: OK. OK. Good.
BEHAR: We`ll be back with more from the lovely Brandy in a minute.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BRANDY: Mom? A while back "Dancing with the Stars" called me and asked me to be part of their show.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m glad you came over. You have to make a decision today with "Dancing with the Stars". The agents have been calling me every hour.
BRANDY: I haven`t gotten back with them yet because I have concerns and I just don`t know, but I know I need to get back to them very soon. Honestly, I`m scared.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: That was Brandy and her beautiful mom on the second season premiere of the VH1 show "Brandy and Ray-J, A Family Business". Your mother is so pretty. I see where you got your looks.
BRANDY: Oh, thank you.
BEHAR: Yes. Now, we spoke about the VH1 show a little before. It`s a behind the scenes look at your family and your career. Your mom is your manager. Are there conflicts there at all?
BRANDY: Yes.
BEHAR: Aha. Tell me about it.
BRANDY: Well, yes. We have our ups and downs, of course. You know, it`s kind of hard because sometimes emotional things can get in the way and personality conflicts because she is my mom. I am her daughter. So, sometimes the business can get lost a little bit.
But, you know, we`ve been working together ever since I was 15. So, we`re kind of used to going up and down. But I love her so much. She has my back. She`s passionate. I`m passionate. So --
BEHAR: How about your brother? I mean any sibling rivalry with your brother?
BRANDY: No sibling rivalry, but you know, on this season, you see, you know, some of the choices that he makes, I`m not in support of. And you know, when you go down a road, you don`t want -- and when you make mistakes down that road, you don`t want your brother or somebody that you love to make the same mistakes you did.
So, that`s what you see with him and I; but it`s no competition. It`s no, you know, jealousy issues or any of that. We never really had that issue at all. Thank God.
BEHAR: What kind of mistakes are you talking about, though? What do you mean?
BRANDY: Well, in terms of love and career. I just feel like both are very important. And Ray has a beautiful girl in his life that loves him for him. And that`s kind of hard to find in this industry. You know, people that love you for you and that are honest with you.
BEHAR: Yes.
BRANDY: And then, you know, he has his career that he wants to focus on, but he wants to give that up to focus on his career, and I`m like, "No, dude. You have to be able to do both because both are very important."
BEHAR: It`s hard to do, but you have to try and do it.
BRANDY: It is. You have to.
BEHAR: And you know, speaking about your family, I read -- you really have a lot of relatives in the business. I read that Snoop Dogg is your cousin?
BRANDY: Yes, yes. I don`t know how you he`s my cousin, but I just know that he`s my cousin.
BEHAR: He is a riot, Snoop Dogg. He comes on "The View" all the time, and he has an entourage, about 20 people show up with him.
BRANDY: Oh, my God. He needs to feel comfort, you know?
BEHAR: Yes. He seems like he`s tough, but he`s scared of his grandmother, he`s afraid of his mother. You know, I love him. He`s the funniest. He`s very sweet.
BRANDY: Yes. I love him too.
BEHAR: Anyway, he released a song in honor of Prince William`s bachelor party.
BRANDY: Really?
BEHAR: Yes.
BRANDY: I haven`t heard that.
BEHAR: YOU don`t know about it. I was wondering if you were going to do a track for Kate Middleton.
BRANDY: Really? You are hilarious.
BEHAR: See. I know all about Snoop and you don`t know anything about him, and he`s your cousin.
BRANDY: Yes, he`s my Dogg, and I don`t even know anything about him.
BEHAR: He`s your Dogg, but you know what? He may be your Dogg, but you`re my Brandy and I`m going to find a guy for you.
BRANDY: Oh, I know. They told me in that, you know, commercial break you were really scoping out the scene. I`m excited.
BEHAR: I am. OK. Thanks, Brandy.
BRANDY: Thank you so much.
BEHAR: Season two of "Brandy and Ray-J, A Family Business" premieres Sunday at 11:00 on VH1.
We`ll be right back.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: Watching Kourtney, Khloe and Kim Kardashian in action is a lot of fun. I haven`t had such a good time with sisters since I spent a long weekend with a couple of Carmelite nuns. Here`s a clip from their hit show "Keeping Up with the Kardashians." Take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who is going to miss Khloe?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Me!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re such a bore, you married whore. You`re such a bore, you married whore.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why are you guys being mean?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because you`re going to be so jealous when we`re in New York.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. I`m really not going to miss this when you guys are in New York.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stay home with your husband, and we`ll be in Nueva York.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re going to New York.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: Joining me now are the three Ks, Kim, Khloe and Kourtney Kardashian who are the authors, by the way, of a new book "Kardashian Konfidential." Welcome, ladies. OK. You know, you just turned 30, and I was just thinking, when I turned 30, which was only ten years ago -- shut up!
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: I thought I was old. Do you feel old at 30? I mean, it`s not. It`s very young, and I know that now. But at the time it was like oh, my God.
KIM KARDASHIAN, AUTHOR, "KARDASHIAN CONFIDENTIAL": I feel old when my mom reminds me that at, you know, my age, she had four kids already.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN, AUTHOR, "KARDASHIAN CONFIDENTIAL": But that was such a different time.
BEHAR: Right.
(CROSSTALK)
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: I turned 30 eighteen months ago or whatever, but I felt like so good when I turned 30.
KIM KARDASHIAN: You know what, it`s very empowering. I was really nervous going into it. I was kind of freaked out, and then after --
KHLOE KARDASHIAN, "KARDASHIAN CONFIDENTIAL": Going into it.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: What are you even talking about?
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: A tunnel, like going into it.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Going into it.
KIM KARDASHIAN: And then all of a sudden, I don`t know, something changed. And I was like, oh, my God, I`m 30. This is amazing. I feel good. I feel accomplished. I feel, you know, successful.
BEHAR: Well, you`re on the low side of 40 now. So enjoy it.
(LAUGHTER)
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: That`s depressing.
BEHAR: Let me start with you because you posted on Twitter that you fell off the wagon, OK? What does that mean? What wagon?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I tweeted that I had been in Europe for three weeks and then New York for six weeks, and I hadn`t worked out once.
BEHAR: Stop it!
KIM KARDASHIAN: And that`s so not like me because I love to work out, and I just really felt not like myself. So, I had to get home where I worked out every single day.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: And my mom told her she gained 12 pounds.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: Did you?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I gained about ten.
BEHAR: Did that freak you out?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I mean, now that I`m 30 and everyone`s telling me that your metabolism isn`t the same.
BEHAR: Well, 35 to 40, it starts to go berserk.
KIM KARDASHIAN: OK. Oh, so, I still have some time.
BEHAR: Yes.
KIM KARDASHIAN: OK.
BEHAR: But why did you feel the need to tweet that, though?
KIM KARDASHIAN: Because I needed motivation from my Twitter followers to give me motivation to get up and get into the gym. Sometimes, it`s hard. You get so comfortable, and you just need that motivation, that push. And so, everyone was writing me, you know, really great, positive things. And so, I was like, OK, guys, I`m going to go to the gym. I`m going to get it together, and I feel better already.
BEHAR: OK. Now, you girls are Lebanese?
KARDASHIAN SISTERS: Armenian.
BEHAR: Armenian. Whatever.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Same thing.
BEHAR: Just kidding. They`re similar in many ways.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: I mean, the food, Mediterranean, Italian, it`s Greek, it`s Lebanese, it`s Armenian, it`s ethnic. And you seem to be very comfortable with how beautiful you are. You are very good looking women, I think.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Thank you.
BEHAR: And full figured a little bit. You got the boobs going on and, you know, and the booty.
KIM KARDASHIAN: I paid for these babies.
BEHAR: I know you did, which I will discuss that in a second with you.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Actually, my mom did.
BEHAR: You know, but we live in a -- we live in a country that values emaciated girls and blonds with tiny little noses.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: And sort of low -- maybe big boobs some of them, but small.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Right.
BEHAR: So, I think it`s great that you have basically gone beyond that look to become the new look. Are you happy about that?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I mean, we were just somewhere and someone came up to us and said, you know, all the guys now ask me if I`m Armenian like the Kardashian sisters because she has dark hair and she`s curvy and, you know, tanned skin. And she was like, so I just want to say thank you, guys, so much. Guys didn`t really look at me before.
BEHAR: Isn`t that nice?
KIM KARDASHIAN: It`s really cool.
BEHAR: How do you survive in California where it`s a felony to be fat? You go to jail for that there.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: You really can.
BEHAR: I mean, how did you survive it?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I have been through -- like people even now -- my weight always goes up and down, but I feel like that`s normal and that`s just my body type. I always struggle with it.
BEHAR: Yes.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: But people always, even now, they come down on me for my weight. I don`t think I am that big. I feel like I might be a normal size, but does my weight fluctuate, yes, but I get so much ridicule. They call me fat, I`m 400 pounds, and this and that, people are just mean.
BEHAR: They are mean.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Yes. I definitely have to stay. I don`t go on the blog --
BEHAR: But they love you, too.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Right. They would never say it to my face but definitely on Twitter or blogs or anything like that. They call me every name in the book.
BEHAR: But who cares what they say behind your back. It`s only what they say to your face that counts.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Right. And they`re all afraid of me.
BEHAR: They are?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: Why? You`re tough.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Yes. I`m a tough little broad, and I`m going to knock them out.
(LAUGHTER)
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I`m going to knock them out with that ring.
BEHAR: You married to Lamar Odom who plays for the L.A. Lakers, right? And there`s so much cheating that goes on in the sports world, how do you handle that?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Well, Lamar and I -- I mean, Lamar gets very offended when people ask him this question because he doesn`t believe in that kind of --
BEHAR: Well, he`s not here. I`m asking you.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Right. No, I mean, I get it. But, you know, also, I could say that in every world, you know, like if you`re a stockbroker, you could be sleeping with your secretary.
BEHAR: Yes.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I do think that it`s more elevated because you know these people by name or face. And that`s why you know about it. And people say because they travel and their schedules, Lamar and I don`t spend five days without seeing each other. That`s just a rule that him and I have.
BEHAR: That`s good.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: And we like that rule.
BEHAR: But what about the fact that these sports guys who are out there having girls that are throwing themselves at them? Doesn`t that, you know, enter into the little nervous about letting them out there?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: For me, like, I never would have married Lamar even that was fast if I didn`t trust him 100 percent. I couldn`t do that to myself emotionally. And I feel like if you start believing, is he cheating, is he cheating? Questioning. One, that`s not the way I want to live my life, I`m 26 (ph). That means that for the next 50 years, I`m going to be thinking that. I`m not going to do that to myself. And two, if you start believing it, you`re going to manifest it and I feel like make it happen one day. I`m a very positive person.
BEHAR: But what do you think about like Eva Longoria? She didn`t seem to have a clue that Tony Parker was cheating on her with a lot of women it turns out, I think, allegedly. What do you think about that, that she didn`t really get it?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I mean, I don`t know.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Well, you never know when you`re in that situation or any situation. I don`t think anyone can really comment on like other people`s relationships, but I know that I wouldn`t be in one and Khloe wouldn`t be married, you know, unless, you did feel that way.
BEHAR: You like athletes also, right?
KIM KARDASHIAN: Sometimes.
BEHAR: A lot of them.
KIM KARDASHIAN: A lot of them?
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: You don`t tend to like them?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: I don`t think I`ve ever liked an athlete.
BEHAR: Yes, but has Brett Favre ever faxed a picture of his penis to you?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Yes, he has.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Really?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Yes. I have it in my phone.
BEHAR: She`s kidding.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: It was actually just his balls, Kourtney.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: What makes a man like Brett Favre think that that is a turn-on for a woman to get that picture, may I ask?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: What idiot does something like that? Like, why do you do that like you`re going to get caught? Doy.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: All right. So, you girls are not worried about that. You`re not worried about groupies coming on to your men?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Honey, they should be worried about groupies coming on to me.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: You go, girl. I like that.
KIM KARDASHIAN: The male groupies.
BEHAR: Now, you said, Kim, in an interview, that you thought you`d be married by now?
KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes, you know, if you would ask me, I`m sure there`s a ton of interviews from, you know, even five years ago where you would be at 30.
BEHAR: But you were married at 19, right?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I was married, yes. So, I already got one, you know, in the can.
BEHAR: One down, how many to go?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Twenty more to go.
KIM KARDASHIAN: One more to go. You live and you learn. But I think that I also wouldn`t have thought that I would, you know, have a fragrance and a book and so many other amazing things.
BEHAR: You have a very successful show. You girls are very good business people. See, you`re making a lot of money. How much is the Kardashian brand worth would you say now?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: A true woman never tells.
BEHAR: A true woman asks the question.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: And you are a true woman. It`s (INAUDIBLE) my friend.
BEHAR: Does it bother you when people say you`re famous for being famous?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: I don`t even know what that means, and I literally have heard it, I think, 25 times today. No, but I`m like, that`s like what people say when they think of us as like famous for being famous.
BEHAR: I know that you`ve heard the question, but --
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Yes, yes, yes.
BEHAR: Does it bug you? It would bug me.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: It doesn`t bother me. I don`t really understand --
KIM KARDASHIAN: It really doesn`t bother me.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Yes, it doesn`t bother me. I think that we`ve like proven ourselves, and we`ve had our stores before the TV show. We worked so hard. But I mean, people are always going to -- like you said, they`re going to think what they want and believe what they want. I don`t care why you think I`m famous. You`re still buying my products.
BEHAR: Do you worry that, you know, when Andy Warhol said that everybody in America is going to have 15 minutes of fame, eventually. Do you worry that your 15 minutes could be over at some point?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I really don`t think that we, you know, mind it, to be honest. I think that we are having so much fun. When it stops being fun, when the show is just not fun, we`ll stop the show. But I think if we were to just snap back and it would all go away today, --
BEHAR: Yes, what would you do?
KIM KARDASHIAN: Well, we have our clothing stores and we have businesses that we started way before.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: OK. We`ll have much more with the lovely Kardashian girls on the way. Stick around.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I have a little anxiety.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Calm down.
KIM KARDASHIAN: You look gorgeous. Your dress is stunning.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s do it.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Let`s do it. I`m getting married!
(CHEERING)
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: We`re standing in the guest house and I see my sisters and everyone walking out one by one. I`m like losing each one. We`re getting a little bit closer, a little bit closer. I`m just getting more and more anxious.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: OK. That was a clip from "Keeping Up with the Kardashians" when Khloe got married, and the sisters are back with me. What were you going to say about her how many times she`s going to get married?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I said, well, Kourtney and I and my mom -- because I was saying my mom and I -- my mom`s like I just want Kim to have a boyfriend. And I was like, honestly, I think Kim is like --
KIM KARDASHIAN: I mean, what is this?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: She`s just crazy.
(CROSSTALK)
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I said that I think Kim is like Elizabeth Taylor. I think she`s going to be married like eight glamorous times, but -- I think like just dripping in diamonds and --
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Emeralds.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Just like every 20-carat engagement ring I say is going to be on her --
KIM KARDASHIAN: No. I`ll have (ph) one more.
BEHAR: Do you have any aspirations to be an actress?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I do.
BEHAR: I can se you playing Cleopatra.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: But you have to act.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: I used to be on "One Life to Live."
BEHAR: Good for you.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: You have? Very good. So, what about you? You want to be an actress or no? She just has to make the money, this one.
KIM KARDASHIAN: She wants to be a housewife.
BEHAR: Now, you know, in this book, which is quite attractive, by the way, I must tell you --
KARDASHIAN SISTERS: Thank you.
BEHAR: You write a lot about your father, Robert Kardashian, who died in 2003, and your parents divorced when you were all very young, right? So, that must have been hard for you. I mean, how old were you, 4 years old?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I was like 4 or 5.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: I was 11.
KIM KARDASHIAN: I was 10. And, you know, in the book, we kind of give advice on how to really deal with situations like that and all three of us dealt with it so differently. Khloe was, you know, kind of oblivious to it. I was OK with it. And Kourtney had a really, really hard time with it.
BEHAR: You had a hard time. How old were you?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Eleven.
BEHAR: My daughter was 11. It`s the tough time to go through divorce.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: And I think, for me, just adapting to Bruce because he and my mom met --
BEHAR: Bruce Jenner who is now your stepfather?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Yes. They got married six months after my parents got a divorce.
BEHAR: Oh.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: And Bruce couldn`t be a nicer guy, but I hated him. I was so mean to him.
BEHAR: What did you do to him?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Everything.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Scratch him.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Kourtney would only wear black like she was -- he has literally scars on his hand from Kourtney would like dig her nails into him.
BEHAR: What do you mean she would only wear black? What do you mean?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: One day, I decided to wear black around the house. And they think -- they say that I did it for months. It was one day, because I was being dramatic.
BEHAR: It felt like months.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I was 4.
KIM KARDASHIAN (ph): Why are you guys listening to me?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: And they say that I was like dramatic. I decided to be like annoying --
(CROSSTALK)
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: And wear black.
BEHAR: So, you were acting out against your stepfather?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: You were 4 years old and probably --
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: She loved Bruce right away.
BEHAR: Did you?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I mean, he was just different from my dad. My dad was really fun and always silly, but Bruce was just like an athletic different guy who wore like Reebok pumps. My dad was like a businessman. I don`t know. It was just like a totally two --
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Those shoes.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: And I used to sit on his feet.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: And how about you?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I mean, I loved my new stepbrothers and sisters. I thought it was like so cool having brothers for the first time.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: You have a brother.
KIM KARDASHIAN: I know. But he was so much younger.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: He was 2.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Very weird.
BEHAR: She prefers her stepbrothers to her natural brother.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Having brothers for the first time.
KIM KARDASHIAN: You know what I mean. They were like old enough.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I wonder if Robert will know what you mean when he hears this.
BEHAR: OK. Also in the book, you write about your dad being friends with O.J. Simpson which was an interesting part of the book. You used to call O.J. Uncle O.J.
KARDASHIAN SISTERS: Yes.
BEHAR: Tell me about that time in your family. What was that like? Because I know that he -- did he -- the bronco chase started at your house, correct?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Started at my dad`s house, but that was probably the worst time in all of our lives because my mom was best friends with Nicole and she thought wholeheartedly that O.J. was guilty. And then my dad was best friends with O.J. So, our family was really divided during this time, and it was really hard on us as kids because we were never told to pick sides, but we felt like we kind of had to.
BEHAR: So, did you?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I was younger but --
KIM KARDASHIAN: Kourtney and I chose to pick my dad`s side because he felt like he was by himself. And my mom had remarried and she had this like support system, and my dad was kind of all by himself. So, we always like respected him as, you know, a father and a businessman. So, we just thought our dad was always right.
BEHAR: So, you thought O.J. was not guilty.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Exactly.
BEHAR: Because your father you thought believed that.
KIM KARDASHIAN: We just believed in what my father believed in, and we kind of wanted to be there for him.
BEHAR: And you did not?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I was so much younger, but I was really, really good friends with Sydney, their daughter. So, I would always go and see her at her grandparents to, you know, keep her company. I don`t know. I don`t really think I had an opinion. I respected my dad`s voice --
KIM KARDASHIAN: They kept it away from the younger kids, too.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: They weren`t allowed to watch TV. Nothing like that.
BEHAR: I think that that was probably a difficult time for you.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Absolutely.
BEHAR: That had to be hard, because -- what do you think now? In retrospect? Is he guilty or not?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I don`t really have an opinion. I don`t really care to ever think about it.
BEHAR: What (INAUDIBLE) Kim, come on.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Just the same way. I think it`s so close and emotional.
BEHAR: You can`t make a decision.
KIM KARDASHIAN: We can`t really go there.
BEHAR: And you, same thing?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Same thing. I just feel like, you know, we don`t know what happened, but the fact that he`s back in jail, I think that`s a sign of karma like why would -- I don`t know. I just feel like signs and - - I don`t know. I don`t know if he did it or not, but the fact that he`s back in jail just raises some awareness in my head.
BEHAR: Interesting that you just don`t want to go there, the three of you.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Everyone asks me all the time.
BEHAR: I will just psychoanalyze you for a second. I think you`re just feeling you want to be loyal to your father right now.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Probably.
BEHAR: That`s how it looks to me right now.
KIM KARDASHIAN: And I`m friends with his children and I speak to his children, so I never want to, you know disrespect them.
BEHAR: You say what you want to say, but that`s where I think you`re at. It`s like, you know, daddy`s not here any more, leave it alone. OK. Now, Khloe, let`s talk about your virginity.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Oh, my God. I thought you were going to say vagina.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Listen, you know, on this show, we can go there.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I know. That`s why I thought you`re going to say it.
BEHAR: Virginity, losing is it more important than a vagina at the moment.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: OK.
BEHAR: You were 14 -- I heard this this morning.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: You were 14 and you lost it to an older guy. We only have 30 seconds?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: This is too much for 30 seconds.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: When we come back, we`re going to find out all about Khloe`s virginity.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Or vagina.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: I`m back with the delightful Kardashian sisters. So come on, Khloe.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Spill it.
BEHAR: Spill it, girl.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Well, yes, I felt the need to put that in there because I have little sisters. And my situation was not a good situation. I was 14 years old, and I was dating an 18-year-old boy, which now I look back and I think that`s disgusting, but then, I thought it was really cool and dating an older guy and I just felt cool. Basically, I got pressured into having sex. I wasn`t ready. I barely knew my own body.
BEHAR: Who pressured you?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: The guy. He did. And I felt like if I didn`t, I would not be cool or this guy wouldn`t want to talk to me any more. And I feel like so many girls do things either sexually or even with cliques, if they`re just girls, you know, just hanging out, they do think like they`re doing drugs or just because they feel pressured. After I did that and my parents forbid me to see this guy, I snuck around for two months hanging out with him, and then --
BEHAR: They found out?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: They found out. And they were like -- it was the worst thing that happened in my life at that moment.
BEHAR: What did they say to him? Did anybody, you know, did they confront the guy?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Oh, yes. My dad said he`s calling the police and all this kind of stuff. My dad was ballistic about it.
BEHAR: Statutory rape.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Yes. I know my dad went crazy on them. And then, you know, after two months, I really felt really awful about myself. And I stopped talking to the guy again. And I didn`t have sex for the next three years just because I didn`t feel comfortable with my own body. I didn`t like I knew myself and then being out of that environment, I knew I did the wrong thing, and I was kind of forced to have sex.
BEHAR: Well, you know, it`s a common story, I think. Young girls are having sex much earlier than they ever did. I mean, I was 21 when I lost my virginity. OK. There you have it.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: That was ridiculous. That`s a little old for even those days. I mean, I think Betsy Ross got laid sooner than I did. Anyway, --
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: How about you? When did you lose your virginity? Let`s just have a girl thing here now. Come on.
(CROSSTALK)
KIM KARDASHIAN: I don`t know. I think it`s like super personal.
BEHAR: All right. Then don`t tell me. What about you?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: I was 16.
BEHAR: You were 16?
KIM KARDASHIAN: That`s pretty normal.
BEHAR: You were between the two?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Don`t lie. You were 10.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: So you were 15. She was 14, she was 16, you were 15. All right. You girls are quite advanced.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes. You know how we do it.
BEHAR: You know what, it`s al L.A. L.A., that`s what it`s all about.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Is it?
BEHAR: No, I`m just kidding.
(CROSSTALK)
KIM KARDASHIAN: I had a boyfriend for five years.
BEHAR: You had a boyfriend for five years?
KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: But I mean, if you have daughters, you have a little boy, right?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Boys are so much easier. They can (EXPLETIVE DELETED) whoever they want and you don`t care.
BEHAR: Not necessarily true.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: First of all, they get a girl pregnant, you know it`s not --
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Imagine the stuff we warned Rob about, you know? So it`s not that easy.
KIM KARDASHIAN: As long as you make them use a condom then you don`t really care about guys --
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Well, you can`t sit in the room and make them do anything.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: You can`t? Who knew?
BEHAR: I don`t have to much time, 30 seconds. But the press is always comparing the three of you. This one`s got this. This one`s got this. Doesn`t that annoy you?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: A 100% it annoys us, but, I mean, at the same time we are not insecure with who we are as women. And we love each other so much. I`m so happy for everything she is going on and she is going on. It doesn`t bother me.
KIM KARDASHIAN: We`re all like in such different places on our lives and phases that, you know, we`re happy for each other.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Kim and Khloe know that I`m the smartest so --
BEHAR: So, there you have it.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: All righty. Their new book is "Kardashian Konfidential." Pick it up. It`s very cute. Good night, everybody. Thank you, girls. Lovely to see you.
KARDASHIAN SISTERS: Thank you.
END
