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Encore: Interview with Jenny McCarthy; Interview With the Kardashians
Aired January 14, 2011 - 21:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
JOY BEHAR, HOST: Jenny McCarthy is a talented actress, a fierce activist and she is also an author. In her new book, "Love, Lust and Faking It", sharing her -- she shares her experience with love and relationships. And she`s here with me now.
Welcome to the show, Jenny.
JENNY MCCARTHY, AUTHOR, "LOVE, LUST & FAKING IT": Thank you, Joy.
BEHAR: So what`s faking it mean? What do you do? What are you faking?
MCCARTHY: Well you know -- funny you bring that up first, Joy. I`m not really necessarily talking about orgasms. But I do have something to say about those in a moment. But the faking it part is about how women start off relationships kind of in that honeymoon phase.
BEHAR: Oh yes.
MCCARTHY: Everything`s so funny and you`re loving football. And you know you`re fine with his mother. And then cut to two years later and you hate the bitch. So I`m trying to teach women and you know I`m teaching myself also this, that when you enter a new relationship, start off being your authentic relationship, you know. Say it like it is; leave it all on the table. Here I am.
BEHAR: How many women would actually get married if they did that?
MCCARTHY: You know what? There might be some longevity to it. Because I think in those first two years that we are faking it, and the guy goes, "Oh my God, you`re a dream. You`re everything I wanted. I love you." Then we start getting resentment going, you know what, bite me. You don`t even know who I am. Now you love. I haven`t even showed you who I really am yet.
So I think there is like some resentment there so we start off with a clean slate, I think you have a better chance.
BEHAR: Uh well I think that`s right. Ok. I agree with you.
You were writing this book while you were breaking up with Jim Carrey, right?
MCCARTHY: Well the way you say it, it sounds like I was doing the breaking up. So let me be political and say, you know it was mutual.
BEHAR: It was mutual.
MCCARTHY: But yes during the time we were going through our breakup, I signed the deal just before the breakup to do this book. And you know I`m writing it going, oh my god. No matter whose decision it is, there`s still a grieving period. You`re still upset.
BEHAR: It`s horrible.
MCCARTHY: It`s really hard.
BEHAR: It`s the worst.
MCCARTHY: It is but you know what I realize --
BEHAR: How long were you married?
MCCARTHY: I was never married. We dated five years.
BEHAR: Oh same thing.
MCCARTHY: Yes. Exactly. We lived together. So it`s like the same thing as getting married. But you know -- and I realize sometimes you have to go through painful experiences whether it be like health like my son, or relationships in order to kind of find lessons in it. And maybe teach other people what you learn.
BEHAR: That`s right. But did you come clean with Jim when you first met him like you said before? Did you fake it with him?
MCCARTHY: No. I was completely a phony baloney.
BEHAR: You were.
MCCARTHY: To the point of laughing at the jokes.
BEHAR: Well he is funny.
MCCARTHY: He is funny.
BEHAR: That was easy.
MCCARTHY: That wasn`t too bad. But still, you know, wanting to be pretty all the time and liking things that maybe I really couldn`t stand.
BEHAR: Like what?
MCCARTHY: You know, whether it be the really common denominator for everyone is like football season. You know, like "It`s football season."
BEHAR: Oh yes, I hate football.
MCCARTHY: Oh I love it. Let`s watch the game. And I`m sitting there, going, this is horrible. And then two years later, I`m like, we`re watching football again.
BEHAR: And they`re so dumb. They think we actually like it.
MCCARTHY: Well, because they`re buying it. You know men are very linear in their thinking. You know my girlfriend told me the best thing ever, which was, my husband can`t read my mind. So I decided to start making him a list of the things I want. If you put it on paper, I need more hugs. Men go, OK. You know and they need that. I think it does help.
BEHAR: You know I want to ask you, you`re very funny yourself and your boyfriend was very funny and still is -- Jim Carrey. He`s a very talented guy. How does it work when two of you are really funny in a relationship?
MCCARTHY: I think like most comics I know, when you go home, you`re not really that funny.
BEHAR: No. You`re boring.
MCCARTHY: You`re boring. You do.
BEHAR: Just like everybody else.
MCCARTHY: It`s like you sit on the couch and you watch TV, you read books and you know. You watch "Dancing with the Stars." It`s just a normal life. And I don`t think -- we didn`t yuck it up too much. You know, obviously when we tell the story it might be entertaining more than others. But for the most part, it was just calm.
BEHAR: Yes. But it is nice. I have a guy who`s very funny too. But it`s not like we`re competing with each other.
MCCARTHY: No, not at all.
BEHAR: About who`s funnier.
MCCARTHY: Yes, exactly.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: It`s like who gets this side of the bed and who gets to use the bathroom, you know. So did you learn anything from the relationship?
MCCARTHY: I learned a lot. To get into specifics of things that happened, can`t really. But what I learned to do was to take everything I had a problem with, look at it on a piece of paper. And instead of putting he did this, I kind o put "I" in front of it and start to look at all those things we blame our partners for and I turned it on myself.
BEHAR: Right, oh, it`s so true.
MCCARTHY: It`s so true.
BEHAR: Right.
MCCARTHY: It was unbelievable. I said to myself, I`m not screwing up anymore. I`m going to do this right. And I think you kind of repeat the same type of relationships with a different package if you don`t look back and learn the lesson.
BEHAR: Absolutely. The blame list goes right here.
MCCARTHY: Yes.
BEHAR: Otherwise you will never move on. I totally agree with that.
Now you were a celebrity couple and you were in kind of a fish bowl, you were always in the tabloids I guess and stuff like that.
MCCARTHY: A little bit. A little bit.
BEHAR: There`s a couple right now who`s in that position where everybody`s watching them and thinking they`re breaking up, Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore. I bring them up only because there are rumors about a breakup. And they are in this celebrity fish bowl.
MCCARTHY: Right.
BEHAR: What would you, if she were here, Demi, what would you say to her right now?
MCCARTHY: That`s a good question, Joy.
BEHAR: I`m glad you think so.
MCCARTHY: I would probably tell her to do some investigating. Maybe don`t be so, you know, opinionated into one side of denial. You want to investigate, see if it`s true.
How you do that, I don`t know. But then I would look at myself and go, let me re-evaluate this relationship if it is true. Do I hang in there? Do I leave? I mean I`m not caught up to the latest scandal, but there seems to be so many people talking about it. I know the magazines wouldn`t go as far as to say the things they are without having some proof --
BEHAR: Oh especially "People" magazine.
MCCARTHY: I know. So I would tell her to just kind of keep digging myself.
BEHAR: Well you know she`s a little bit older than him.
MCCARTHY: Right.
BEHAR: A lot older actually. Maybe that`s an issue. Has that ever been an issue for you?
MCCARTHY: Well, you know, yes. I mean I dated a man when I was 21. He was 50?
BEHAR: What?
MCCARTHY: Yes, for like four years.
BEHAR: Can we say pedophile?
MCCARTHY: He might have been 45. But I stayed with him for four years, so maybe he like turned 50.
BEHAR: Fifty. What were you so attracted to a man who was 50 when you were 21?
MCCARTHY: I just came out from Chicago. I got on a singles out. It was like on a crazy train. It was what I call, like my primetime of the Jessica Simpson train. Everyone that goes through that wagon of fame so quickly; and he to me, was kind of a balancing stick.
I didn`t want to go out and party. I didn`t want to go hit the clubs. I wanted to focus on my career. And I thought this old guy only wants to sit home and watch "Wheel of Fortune."
BEHAR: So what happened then?
MCCARTHY: So we had a great relationship. Four years we played "Scrabble," I stayed home. I stayed out of the tabloids. Then we kind of looked at each other and said, thank you. He was an awesome guy. I`m still friendly with him.
BEHAR: Is he in a home now?
OK tell me about your sexual awakening as a Catholic school girl.
MCCARTHY: Oh my God.
BEHAR: There`s something about a teddy bear. What is that?
MCCARTHY: Ok. Well, I grew up, you know, Irish Catholic, all-girl Catholic school.
BEHAR: Where?
MCCARTHY: In South Side Chicago. Masturbation was considered, you know, evil. You will burn in hell or you go blind to death, one of the two. My friends were all talking about it. I was too terrified to even try.
But there was a story in my book, that`s why I`m talking about this, I had a teddy bear named Tubby. And he got caught in a certain position while I was trying to shut the window in bed. And Tubby made something spectacular happen in my body.
BEHAR: OK.
MCCARTHY: And I was like, oh my God. Tubby, you are very naughty. And I thought, OK. I will burn in hell. Tubby`s going to burn in hell. So it was his fault as we continued our relationship. The problem was, after a few years, I came home from school one day and my mom had sold Tubby in a garage sale.
BEHAR: Oh my God.
MCCARTHY: And I`m like, the poor - so Tubby`s out there probably drinking and smoking saying, you should see the places I`ve been.
BEHAR: Oh the places I`ve been.
One more question. I like that you`re honest about -- shall we wait? OK, we`ll come back in a moment with this question. We`ll be back with Jenny McCarthy in just a moment.
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BEHAR: We`re back with Jenny McCarthy.
You know I like that you`re very honest and open about plastic surgery and botox. First of all, let`s talk about the people who are not. Why aren`t they?
MCCARTHY: I don`t know.
BEHAR: Do they really think that we think that they`re natural?
MCCARTHY: I think they do. I think they really think if they stick by their story, no one will -- everyone will believe them. The problem is I think this generation is coming into the botox era. You know they`re very -- they know can`t get away with it. So it`s the older women like the Nicole Kidmans that - think that is that all right --
BEHAR: Well she`s not that -- Nicole Kidman is not old.
MCCARTHY: No, no, no. But she`s not like the 24-year-olds, the whatever twins, the Olsen twins that are talking about it. They are a little bit more open. But for some reason, I think the older generation is scared to talk about it, where I`m like, shoot me up.
BEHAR: Well you`re funny that`s why. Nicole Kidman is not a funny actress.
MCCARTHY: Right because she doesn`t need to laugh.
BEHAR: Well she does need to laugh. I mean she was married to Tom Cruise, the girl needs to laugh. I love Tom but come on.
But why is it that -- I think the reason they don`t tell sometimes is because they`re afraid of their career. I mean, the men don`t have this issue.
MCCARTHY: No. Men age you know and look better. I think women get a little insecure because their roles disappear.
BEHAR: But do the men really look better? I don`t think so. They lose their hair. I don`t think they look that much better than women. Women can dye their hair, wear makeup, get some shots. We look much better.
MCCARTHY: Yes but the Marlboro man wrinkle thing --
BEHAR: Because they brainwash us into thinking it`s attractive.
MCCARTHY: Yes you`re right.
BEHAR: Anyway --
MCCARTHY: Do you get botox?
BEHAR: Of course.
MCCARTHY: OK good.
BEHAR: Yes, I do. I`ve been doing it. I love it.
MCCARTHY: I love it too. You know the key is minimal. Otherwise, it is frozen and you lose -- especially if you`re trying to be funny or comedic. Then you`re like, ha, ha, ha.
I talk about one accident in the book which is a botox nightmare where I was doing Megan Mulally`s first episode of her talk show. Remember she had that first talk show?
BEHAR: Megan Mulally?
MCCARTHY: Thank you, I couldn`t remember the name, I`ll be a good talk show host someday. So anyway, I had -- I went to the plastic surgeon and I`m like, do the typical. And by the way, I`m getting this Jay Leno crease in my chin. Oh he said, I could botox it. Well, I don`t -- you are going to botox my chin? He said, let`s give it a try. He shot it up and it froze my whole mouth.
BEHAR: Oh.
MCCARTHY: I was talking like this. So I`m like, oh my God, I have to do the Megan Mulally show. My sister was my makeup artist for 13 years. It`s like touching me up before I go out there. She said, you are just an embarrassment to the family. I had drool coming off the side of my face and I couldn`t feel it.
BEHAR: It looks like you had a stroke. That`s terrible.
MCCARTHY: It was. It was really embarrassing and I learned a lesson --
BEHAR: What did you have, a cleft in your chin? Those are cute.
MCCARTHY: I don`t know. He talked me into it. They`re kind of like drug dealers.
EHAR: They are.
MCCARTHY: You`re looking a little -- I`m like, what?
BEHAR: The one is higher than the next, you have to watch them.
MCCARTHY: Exactly. You have to be subtle.
BEHAR: Yes. OK now, the other thing you said that`s interesting to me is a double dose of HRT gets you horny. First of all, HRT is dangerous.
MCCARTHY: HGH -- human growth hormone.
BEHAR: Oh not HRT. I had HRT down.
MCCARTHY: What is HRT?
BEHAR: I guess maybe they meant the IRT or something.
MCCARTHY: Well HGH is a human growth hormone.
BEHAR: HRT, you`re too young for that, anyway?
MCCARTHY: Yes, human growth hormone, I`m not taking. I`m taking progesterone cream. Is that what it`s called?
BEHAR: Oh so it is hormone replace.
MCCARTHY: Yes but I don`t think it`s that one.
BEHAR: HRT is hormone replacement therapy.
MCCARTHY: Oh OK.
BEHAR: So I apologize to the producer who wrote that down.
(CROSSTALK)
MCCARTHY: But yes, I take a little bit. And my tube was accidentally screwed up. And I talk about it in my book. It made me so incredibly randy, if you will, I was losing my mind.
BEHAR: What is it again?
MCCARTHY: It`s the progesterone. Suzanne Sommers talks about it a lot in her book, "Breakthrough".
BEHAR: She`s as horny as they come.
MCCARTHY: And you know, I said to myself, my PMS is kind of bad. I like to like not get so crazy and swollen. So I take a little cream there and it did help. The problem was the tube was broken and I put too much on and I was seriously humping lamps. And I called my doctor and like, listen, we`ve got a situation here. He`s like, what? I`m like, I can`t walk without going, like, hello.
BEHAR: Really?
MCCARTHY: Yes. He said, well, aren`t you single now? I`m like, that has nothing to do with it. He goes, well it could be. You are single. I said, I`m not single looking around like going, oh my God, look at all these men.
BEHAR: It`s embarrassing.
MCCARTHY: Something happened. Then we found out that I had too much on. And I`m now back to normal and --
BEHAR: You should bottle this stuff. Call it homage to teddy. You`re a big fan of sex and chocolate also I understand.
MCCARTHY: Yes. Well eating and sex. But if you`re going to choose something --
BEHAR: At the same time?
MCCARTHY: Yes. I tried it once. I know. It was Valentine`s Day, I was drunk. But, you know, it`s like satisfying two extras at the same time. I don`t know.
BEHAR: You know this business of "Playboy," you posed naked for playboy. I didn`t even really know that because I don`t read "Playboy".
MCCARTHY: It was also like 20 years ago.
BEHAR: Well tell me about that. Was Hugh Hefner there?
MCCARTHY: Was he at the shoot, are you asking?
BEHAR: Yes. Was he at the shoot?
MCCARTHY: He was not at the shoot. I was working at a Polish grocery store when I --
BEHAR: A Polish grocery store.
MCCARTHY: I was working at a Polish grocery story because I`m half Polish, which we`ll find out why in a minute. But we sold Polish sausage and Playboys. I remember sitting there one day at work going, I can do that.
BEHAR: You could do what, the Polish sausage?
MCCARTHY: I already did the Polish sausage. I dated a few Polish sausages. But the magazine, Anna Nicole Smith was on the cover. I`m like this can`t be that hard. So I went downtown, the Chicago headquarters because they were there.
BEHAR: Yes.
MCCARTHY: And walked in and said how does one go about this. You have to mail in your picture, you can`t just walk in here. Well the executive was walking by and he said, why don`t you come in back and try your bikini -- put on a bikini and just take a quick picture because the photographer was doing something.
So I said, OK. So I went in, scared to death, and took pictures like I was doing a mug shot. And by the time I got home from taking the bus from there, they called me and said you`re Miss October. So I was like, OK, this is meant to be.
BEHAR: Wow talent meant opportunity.
MCCARTHY: The horrific part was though, I didn`t know anything about grooming and everything.
BEHAR: Really?
MCCARTHY: So by the time I went for my shoot, they were horrified by the hairiness that I showed them.
BEHAR: Oh so you needed a depilatory -- yes.
MCCARTHY: I needed a lawn mower.
BEHAR: Really, that bad? Aren`t you a natural blond?
MCCARTHY: Well, it wasn`t that, the (EXPLICATIVE DELETED) do not match the (EXPLICATIVE DELETED) but my God, we are so dirty, what`s going on.
BEHAR: We, we?
MCCARTHY: I guess the book talks about that -- you`re pulling it out of me.
BEHAR: It`s not that hard.
MCCARTHY: I talk about it in the book that I am now I`m Chicago`s Polish porn star, because I was the hairiest Playmate to come through there.
BEHAR: But is that still you, that sexy, funny girl that posed in "Playboy"?
MCCARTHY: You know what, to an extent, I consider myself -- you know I`ve been through so much autism power over time --
BEHAR: Oh yes the autism --
MCCARTHY: You know right now just to talk about this and be kind of cookie and crazy has been such a relief. Because I have been you know, in the midst of a crusade and fighting for my son and --
BEHAR: You get a lot of criticism though because you keep saying, I think, correct me if I`m wrong, that autism is caused by these shots that kids are getting.
MCCARTHY: I love that you brought it up.
BEHAR: And it`s been disproved.
MCCARTHY: No, it hasn`t.
BEHAR: OK.
MCCARTHY: There has been a case that just happened in London -- you want to go to commercial?
BEHAR: I want to go to commercial, when we come back and then you can tell me everything about it. Stay right there, we`ll be right back.
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BEHAR: We`re back with Jenny. So continue the autism conversation.
MCCARTHY: Great. Thank you.
The whole other side of it likes to say that I am or my side is anti- vaccine. And we`ve said over and over again, even in our march in Washington, it says greener vaccines. We believe in just a safer schedule and maybe clean out some of the crap ingredients.
BEHAR: Right.
MCCARTHY: But it`s really easy to discount us by saying we are anti- vaccines.
BEHAR: I see, didn`t they take out the thimerosal though?
MCCARTHY: They took out some of thimerosal. It`s still there.
BEHAR: Really.
MCCARTHY: Yes.
BEHAR: Why do they need there? It`s a preservative.
MCCARTHY: It`s a preservative and I don`t know, we are saying there are also tons of other crap. You know aborted fetal tissue is still in there.
BEHAR: Why? So you are on a crusade to clean it up?
MCCARTHY: Clean it up --
BEHAR: Yes.
MCCARTHY: And space them out a bit. And you know, and get off my back saying I`m anti-vaccine when I`m not. I`m not an idiot. We aren`t. We`re a very smart group parents that know that we need them.
I don`t want to see diseases come back, but I also don`t want to see children getting every vaccine that becomes available on the market within a small period of time. Space them out. Let the child develop an immune system.
BEHAR: But a lot of pediatricians are spacing them out.
MCCARTHY: Now they are.
BEHAR: Maybe because you have been yelling about it.
MCCARTHY: I think so. Yes. You know parents are finally coming in with a voice saying to their doctors, you know what, my child is my child. Let me have a choice in this and space them out. Does he need hepatitis B in the first day of life --
BEHAR: I don`t know. When did this start with all these vaccinations?
MCCARTHY: I don`t know. OK well, I can tell you in 1983, 1986 the shot schedule was ten shots given. Today there are 36 within the first few years of life. So to me, I go geez autism was one in 10,000 in 1983, now it`s one in 60 boys.
BEHAR: Yes, what is that about?
MCCARTHY: That`s huge.
BEHAR: Let`s say it`s not about the inoculation.
MCCARTHY: By the way it`s not only -- I say -- it`s a big pot, it`s pesticides, it`s the environment, it`s vaccines.
BEHAR: Is it genetic?
MCCARTHY: I call it -- are you genetically vulnerable?
BEHAR: It gets triggered?
MCCARTHY: Yes exactly. Environment pulls the trigger. What was your question about it?
BEHAR: I was just talking about the different ways that you could explain why autism rates are so high?
MCCARTHY: Oh OK, that`s right, the boys. The boys --
BEHAR: One out of 150 boys.
MCCARTHY: No, it is one out of 60 boys right now.
BEHAR: What?
MCCARTHY: One out of 60 boys will be diagnosed with autism.
BEHAR: Is it autism full blown or is it the Asberger`s continuum.
MCCARTHY: Well the autism spectrum disorder is, you know Asberger`s autism -- both really hard to have in your life. I mean one isn`t better than the other is what I`m trying to say. But boys seem to be more susceptible.
Based on our science, with our doctors and scientist, it`s because boys have testosterone which causes a little bit more binding of toxins. Our estrogen kind of releases it, whereas boys kind of hold on to it a little bit more.
BEHAR: But do they get it after the inoculations or are they born with it?
MCCARTHY: Well I think the kids that wind up developing autism are coming in genetically vulnerable. So I don`t believe they`re coming in with autism. I think they are coming in you know like from a scale from one to 10, they are at an eight and they just need two more things to boil the pot over.
BEHAR: That number is astounding, frankly.
MCCARTHY: Isn`t it? And I said to myself you know, when I start this, I`m like, I`m going to be sitting here on shows going, it`s going to one in 10. Let`s hope I`m a little bit right. Because you know what, if I`m not, we`re screwed.
Did you see "Children of Men" the movie?
BEHAR: No. Well, too scary.
MCCARTHY: Someone did, too scary.
BEHAR: Thanks so much for this.
MCCARTHY: Thank you.
BEHAR: I love you. You`re adorable.
MCCARTHY: Thanks Joy.
BEHAR: The book is called "Love, Lust & Faking It."
We`ll be right back.
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BEHAR: Watching Kourtney, Khloe and Kim Kardashian in action is a lot of fun. I haven`t had such a good time with sisters since I spent a long weekend with a couple of Carmelite nuns. Here`s a clip from their hit show "Keeping Up with the Kardashians." Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who is going to miss Khloe?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Me!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re such a bore, you married whore. You`re such a bore, you married whore.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why are you guys being mean?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because you`re going to be so jealous when we`re in New York.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. I`m really not going to miss this when you guys are in New York.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stay home with your husband, and we`ll be in Nueva York.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re going to New York.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: Joining me now are the three Ks, Kim, Khloe and Kourtney Kardashian who are the authors, by the way, of a new book "Kardashian Konfidential." Welcome, ladies. OK. You know, you just turned 30, and I was just thinking, when I turned 30, which was only ten years ago -- shut up!
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: I thought I was old. Do you feel old at 30? I mean, it`s not. It`s very young, and I know that now. But at the time it was like oh, my God.
KIM KARDASHIAN, AUTHOR, "KARDASHIAN CONFIDENTIAL": I feel old when my mom reminds me that at, you know, my age, she had four kids already.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN, AUTHOR, "KARDASHIAN CONFIDENTIAL": But that was such a different time.
BEHAR: Right.
(CROSSTALK)
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: I turned 30 eighteen months ago or whatever, but I felt like so good when I turned 30.
KIM KARDASHIAN: You know what, it`s very empowering. I was really nervous going into it. I was kind of freaked out, and then after --
KHLOE KARDASHIAN, "KARDASHIAN CONFIDENTIAL": Going into it.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: What are you even talking about?
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: A tunnel, like going into it.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Going into it.
KIM KARDASHIAN: And then all of a sudden, I don`t know, something changed. And I was like, oh, my God, I`m 30. This is amazing. I feel good. I feel accomplished. I feel, you know, successful.
BEHAR: Well, you`re on the low side of 40 now. So enjoy it.
(LAUGHTER)
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: That`s depressing.
BEHAR: Let me start with you because you posted on Twitter that you fell off the wagon, OK? What does that mean? What wagon?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I tweeted that I had been in Europe for three weeks and then New York for six weeks, and I hadn`t worked out once.
BEHAR: Stop it!
KIM KARDASHIAN: And that`s so not like me because I love to work out, and I just really felt not like myself. So, I had to get home where I worked out every single day.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: And my mom told her she gained 12 pounds.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: Did you?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I gained about ten.
BEHAR: Did that freak you out?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I mean, now that I`m 30 and everyone`s telling me that your metabolism isn`t the same.
BEHAR: Well, 35 to 40, it starts to go berserk.
KIM KARDASHIAN: OK. Oh, so, I still have some time.
BEHAR: Yes.
KIM KARDASHIAN: OK.
BEHAR: But why did you feel the need to tweet that, though?
KIM KARDASHIAN: Because I needed motivation from my Twitter followers to give me motivation to get up and get into the gym. Sometimes, it`s hard. You get so comfortable, and you just need that motivation, that push. And so, everyone was writing me, you know, really great, positive things. And so, I was like, OK, guys, I`m going to go to the gym. I`m going to get it together, and I feel better already.
BEHAR: OK. Now, you girls are Lebanese?
KARDASHIAN SISTERS: Armenian.
BEHAR: Armenian. Whatever.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Same thing.
BEHAR: Just kidding. They`re similar in many ways.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: I mean, the food, Mediterranean, Italian, it`s Greek, it`s Lebanese, it`s Armenian, it`s ethnic. And you seem to be very comfortable with how beautiful you are. You are very good looking women, I think.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Thank you.
BEHAR: And full figured a little bit. You got the boobs going on and, you know, and the booty.
KIM KARDASHIAN: I paid for these babies.
BEHAR: I know you did, which I will discuss that in a second with you.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Actually, my mom did.
BEHAR: You know, but we live in a -- we live in a country that values emaciated girls and blonds with tiny little noses.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: And sort of low -- maybe big boobs some of them, but small.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Right.
BEHAR: So, I think it`s great that you have basically gone beyond that look to become the new look. Are you happy about that?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I mean, we were just somewhere and someone came up to us and said, you know, all the guys now ask me if I`m Armenian like the Kardashian sisters because she has dark hair and she`s curvy and, you know, tanned skin. And she was like, so I just want to say thank you, guys, so much. Guys didn`t really look at me before.
BEHAR: Isn`t that nice?
KIM KARDASHIAN: It`s really cool.
BEHAR: How do you survive in California where it`s a felony to be fat? You go to jail for that there.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: You really can.
BEHAR: I mean, how did you survive it?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I have been through -- like people even now -- my weight always goes up and down, but I feel like that`s normal and that`s just my body type. I always struggle with it.
BEHAR: Yes.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: But people always, even now, they come down on me for my weight. I don`t think I am that big. I feel like I might be a normal size, but does my weight fluctuate, yes, but I get so much ridicule. They call me fat, I`m 400 pounds, and this and that, people are just mean.
BEHAR: They are mean.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Yes. I definitely have to stay. I don`t go on the blog --
BEHAR: But they love you, too.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Right. They would never say it to my face but definitely on Twitter or blogs or anything like that. They call me every name in the book.
BEHAR: But who cares what they say behind your back. It`s only what they say to your face that counts.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Right. And they`re all afraid of me.
BEHAR: They are?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: Why? You`re tough.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Yes. I`m a tough little broad, and I`m going to knock them out.
(LAUGHTER)
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I`m going to knock them out with that ring.
BEHAR: You married to Lamar Odom who plays for the L.A. Lakers, right? And there`s so much cheating that goes on in the sports world, how do you handle that?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Well, Lamar and I -- I mean, Lamar gets very offended when people ask him this question because he doesn`t believe in that kind of --
BEHAR: Well, he`s not here. I`m asking you.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Right. No, I mean, I get it. But, you know, also, I could say that in every world, you know, like if you`re a stockbroker, you could be sleeping with your secretary.
BEHAR: Yes.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I do think that it`s more elevated because you know these people by name or face. And that`s why you know about it. And people say because they travel and their schedules, Lamar and I don`t spend five days without seeing each other. That`s just a rule that him and I have.
BEHAR: That`s good.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: And we like that rule.
BEHAR: But what about the fact that these sports guys who are out there having girls that are throwing themselves at them? Doesn`t that, you know, enter into the little nervous about letting them out there?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: For me, like, I never would have married Lamar even that was fast if I didn`t trust him 100 percent. I couldn`t do that to myself emotionally. And I feel like if you start believing, is he cheating, is he cheating? Questioning. One, that`s not the way I want to live my life, I`m 26 (ph). That means that for the next 50 years, I`m going to be thinking that. I`m not going to do that to myself. And two, if you start believing it, you`re going to manifest it and I feel like make it happen one day. I`m a very positive person.
BEHAR: But what do you think about like Eva Longoria? She didn`t seem to have a clue that Tony Parker was cheating on her with a lot of women it turns out, I think, allegedly. What do you think about that, that she didn`t really get it?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I mean, I don`t know.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Well, you never know when you`re in that situation or any situation. I don`t think anyone can really comment on like other people`s relationships, but I know that I wouldn`t be in one and Khloe wouldn`t be married, you know, unless, you did feel that way.
BEHAR: You like athletes also, right?
KIM KARDASHIAN: Sometimes.
BEHAR: A lot of them.
KIM KARDASHIAN: A lot of them?
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: You don`t tend to like them?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: I don`t think I`ve ever liked an athlete.
BEHAR: Yes, but has Brett Favre ever faxed a picture of his penis to you?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Yes, he has.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Really?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Yes. I have it in my phone.
BEHAR: She`s kidding.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: It was actually just his balls, Kourtney.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: What makes a man like Brett Favre think that that is a turn-on for a woman to get that picture, may I ask?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: What idiot does something like that? Like, why do you do that like you`re going to get caught? Doy.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: All right. So, you girls are not worried about that. You`re not worried about groupies coming on to your men?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Honey, they should be worried about groupies coming on to me.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: You go, girl. I like that.
KIM KARDASHIAN: The male groupies.
BEHAR: Now, you said, Kim, in an interview, that you thought you`d be married by now?
KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes, you know, if you would ask me, I`m sure there`s a ton of interviews from, you know, even five years ago where you would be at 30.
BEHAR: But you were married at 19, right?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I was married, yes. So, I already got one, you know, in the can.
BEHAR: One down, how many to go?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Twenty more to go.
KIM KARDASHIAN: One more to go. You live and you learn. But I think that I also wouldn`t have thought that I would, you know, have a fragrance and a book and so many other amazing things.
BEHAR: You have a very successful show. You girls are very good business people. See, you`re making a lot of money. How much is the Kardashian brand worth would you say now?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: A true woman never tells.
BEHAR: A true woman asks the question.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: And you are a true woman. It`s (INAUDIBLE) my friend.
BEHAR: Does it bother you when people say you`re famous for being famous?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: I don`t even know what that means, and I literally have heard it, I think, 25 times today. No, but I`m like, that`s like what people say when they think of us as like famous for being famous.
BEHAR: I know that you`ve heard the question, but --
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Yes, yes, yes.
BEHAR: Does it bug you? It would bug me.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: It doesn`t bother me. I don`t really understand --
KIM KARDASHIAN: It really doesn`t bother me.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Yes, it doesn`t bother me. I think that we`ve like proven ourselves, and we`ve had our stores before the TV show. We worked so hard. But I mean, people are always going to -- like you said, they`re going to think what they want and believe what they want. I don`t care why you think I`m famous. You`re still buying my products.
BEHAR: Do you worry that, you know, when Andy Warhol said that everybody in America is going to have 15 minutes of fame, eventually. Do you worry that your 15 minutes could be over at some point?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I really don`t think that we, you know, mind it, to be honest. I think that we are having so much fun. When it stops being fun, when the show is just not fun, we`ll stop the show. But I think if we were to just snap back and it would all go away today, --
BEHAR: Yes, what would you do?
KIM KARDASHIAN: Well, we have our clothing stores and we have businesses that we started way before.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: OK. We`ll have much more with the lovely Kardashian girls on the way. Stick around.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I have a little anxiety.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Calm down.
KIM KARDASHIAN: You look gorgeous. Your dress is stunning.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s do it.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Let`s do it. I`m getting married!
(CHEERING)
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: We`re standing in the guest house and I see my sisters and everyone walking out one by one. I`m like losing each one. We`re getting a little bit closer, a little bit closer. I`m just getting more and more anxious.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: OK. That was a clip from "Keeping Up with the Kardashians" when Khloe got married, and the sisters are back with me. What were you going to say about her how many times she`s going to get married?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I said, well, Kourtney and I and my mom -- because I was saying my mom and I -- my mom`s like I just want Kim to have a boyfriend. And I was like, honestly, I think Kim is like --
KIM KARDASHIAN: I mean, what is this?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: She`s just crazy.
(CROSSTALK)
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I said that I think Kim is like Elizabeth Taylor. I think she`s going to be married like eight glamorous times, but -- I think like just dripping in diamonds and --
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Emeralds.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Just like every 20-carat engagement ring I say is going to be on her --
KIM KARDASHIAN: No. I`ll have (ph) one more.
BEHAR: Do you have any aspirations to be an actress?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I do.
BEHAR: I can se you playing Cleopatra.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: But you have to act.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: I used to be on "One Life to Live."
BEHAR: Good for you.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: You have? Very good. So, what about you? You want to be an actress or no? She just has to make the money, this one.
KIM KARDASHIAN: She wants to be a housewife.
BEHAR: Now, you know, in this book, which is quite attractive, by the way, I must tell you --
KARDASHIAN SISTERS: Thank you.
BEHAR: You write a lot about your father, Robert Kardashian, who died in 2003, and your parents divorced when you were all very young, right? So, that must have been hard for you. I mean, how old were you, 4 years old?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I was like 4 or 5.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: I was 11.
KIM KARDASHIAN: I was 10. And, you know, in the book, we kind of give advice on how to really deal with situations like that and all three of us dealt with it so differently. Khloe was, you know, kind of oblivious to it. I was OK with it. And Kourtney had a really, really hard time with it.
BEHAR: You had a hard time. How old were you?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Eleven.
BEHAR: My daughter was 11. It`s the tough time to go through divorce.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: And I think, for me, just adapting to Bruce because he and my mom met --
BEHAR: Bruce Jenner who is now your stepfather?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Yes. They got married six months after my parents got a divorce.
BEHAR: Oh.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: And Bruce couldn`t be a nicer guy, but I hated him. I was so mean to him.
BEHAR: What did you do to him?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Everything.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Scratch him.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Kourtney would only wear black like she was -- he has literally scars on his hand from Kourtney would like dig her nails into him.
BEHAR: What do you mean she would only wear black? What do you mean?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: One day, I decided to wear black around the house. And they think -- they say that I did it for months. It was one day, because I was being dramatic.
BEHAR: It felt like months.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I was 4.
KIM KARDASHIAN (ph): Why are you guys listening to me?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: And they say that I was like dramatic. I decided to be like annoying --
(CROSSTALK)
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: And wear black.
BEHAR: So, you were acting out against your stepfather?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: You were 4 years old and probably --
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: She loved Bruce right away.
BEHAR: Did you?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I mean, he was just different from my dad. My dad was really fun and always silly, but Bruce was just like an athletic different guy who wore like Reebok pumps. My dad was like a businessman. I don`t know. It was just like a totally two --
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Those shoes.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: And I used to sit on his feet.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: And how about you?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I mean, I loved my new stepbrothers and sisters. I thought it was like so cool having brothers for the first time.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: You have a brother.
KIM KARDASHIAN: I know. But he was so much younger.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: He was 2.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Very weird.
BEHAR: She prefers her stepbrothers to her natural brother.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Having brothers for the first time.
KIM KARDASHIAN: You know what I mean. They were like old enough.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I wonder if Robert will know what you mean when he hears this.
BEHAR: OK. Also in the book, you write about your dad being friends with O.J. Simpson which was an interesting part of the book. You used to call O.J. Uncle O.J.
KARDASHIAN SISTERS: Yes.
BEHAR: Tell me about that time in your family. What was that like? Because I know that he -- did he -- the bronco chase started at your house, correct?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Started at my dad`s house, but that was probably the worst time in all of our lives because my mom was best friends with Nicole and she thought wholeheartedly that O.J. was guilty. And then my dad was best friends with O.J. So, our family was really divided during this time, and it was really hard on us as kids because we were never told to pick sides, but we felt like we kind of had to.
BEHAR: So, did you?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I was younger but --
KIM KARDASHIAN: Kourtney and I chose to pick my dad`s side because he felt like he was by himself. And my mom had remarried and she had this like support system, and my dad was kind of all by himself. So, we always like respected him as, you know, a father and a businessman. So, we just thought our dad was always right.
BEHAR: So, you thought O.J. was not guilty.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Exactly.
BEHAR: Because your father you thought believed that.
KIM KARDASHIAN: We just believed in what my father believed in, and we kind of wanted to be there for him.
BEHAR: And you did not?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I was so much younger, but I was really, really good friends with Sydney, their daughter. So, I would always go and see her at her grandparents to, you know, keep her company. I don`t know. I don`t really think I had an opinion. I respected my dad`s voice --
KIM KARDASHIAN: They kept it away from the younger kids, too.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: They weren`t allowed to watch TV. Nothing like that.
BEHAR: I think that that was probably a difficult time for you.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Absolutely.
BEHAR: That had to be hard, because -- what do you think now? In retrospect? Is he guilty or not?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I don`t really have an opinion. I don`t really care to ever think about it.
BEHAR: What (INAUDIBLE) Kim, come on.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Just the same way. I think it`s so close and emotional.
BEHAR: You can`t make a decision.
KIM KARDASHIAN: We can`t really go there.
BEHAR: And you, same thing?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Same thing. I just feel like, you know, we don`t know what happened, but the fact that he`s back in jail, I think that`s a sign of karma like why would -- I don`t know. I just feel like signs and - - I don`t know. I don`t know if he did it or not, but the fact that he`s back in jail just raises some awareness in my head.
BEHAR: Interesting that you just don`t want to go there, the three of you.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Everyone asks me all the time.
BEHAR: I will just psychoanalyze you for a second. I think you`re just feeling you want to be loyal to your father right now.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Probably.
BEHAR: That`s how it looks to me right now.
KIM KARDASHIAN: And I`m friends with his children and I speak to his children, so I never want to, you know disrespect them.
BEHAR: You say what you want to say, but that`s where I think you`re at. It`s like, you know, daddy`s not here any more, leave it alone. OK. Now, Khloe, let`s talk about your virginity.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Oh, my God. I thought you were going to say vagina.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Listen, you know, on this show, we can go there.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I know. That`s why I thought you`re going to say it.
BEHAR: Virginity, losing is it more important than a vagina at the moment.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: OK.
BEHAR: You were 14 -- I heard this this morning.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: You were 14 and you lost it to an older guy. We only have 30 seconds?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: This is too much for 30 seconds.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: When we come back, we`re going to find out all about Khloe`s virginity.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Or vagina.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: I`m back with the delightful Kardashian sisters. So come on, Khloe.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Spill it.
BEHAR: Spill it, girl.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Well, yes, I felt the need to put that in there because I have little sisters. And my situation was not a good situation. I was 14 years old, and I was dating an 18-year-old boy, which now I look back and I think that`s disgusting, but then, I thought it was really cool and dating an older guy and I just felt cool. Basically, I got pressured into having sex. I wasn`t ready. I barely knew my own body.
BEHAR: Who pressured you?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: The guy. He did. And I felt like if I didn`t, I would not be cool or this guy wouldn`t want to talk to me any more. And I feel like so many girls do things either sexually or even with cliques, if they`re just girls, you know, just hanging out, they do think like they`re doing drugs or just because they feel pressured. After I did that and my parents forbid me to see this guy, I snuck around for two months hanging out with him, and then --
BEHAR: They found out?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: They found out. And they were like -- it was the worst thing that happened in my life at that moment.
BEHAR: What did they say to him? Did anybody, you know, did they confront the guy?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Oh, yes. My dad said he`s calling the police and all this kind of stuff. My dad was ballistic about it.
BEHAR: Statutory rape.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Yes. I know my dad went crazy on them. And then, you know, after two months, I really felt really awful about myself. And I stopped talking to the guy again. And I didn`t have sex for the next three years just because I didn`t feel comfortable with my own body. I didn`t like I knew myself and then being out of that environment, I knew I did the wrong thing, and I was kind of forced to have sex.
BEHAR: Well, you know, it`s a common story, I think. Young girls are having sex much earlier than they ever did. I mean, I was 21 when I lost my virginity. OK. There you have it.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: That was ridiculous. That`s a little old for even those days. I mean, I think Betsy Ross got laid sooner than I did. Anyway, --
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: How about you? When did you lose your virginity? Let`s just have a girl thing here now. Come on.
(CROSSTALK)
KIM KARDASHIAN: I don`t know. I think it`s like super personal.
BEHAR: All right. Then don`t tell me. What about you?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: I was 16.
BEHAR: You were 16?
KIM KARDASHIAN: That`s pretty normal.
BEHAR: You were between the two?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Don`t lie. You were 10.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: So you were 15. She was 14, she was 16, you were 15. All right. You girls are quite advanced.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes. You know how we do it.
BEHAR: You know what, it`s al L.A. L.A., that`s what it`s all about.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Is it?
BEHAR: No, I`m just kidding.
(CROSSTALK)
KIM KARDASHIAN: I had a boyfriend for five years.
BEHAR: You had a boyfriend for five years?
KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: But I mean, if you have daughters, you have a little boy, right?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Boys are so much easier. They can (EXPLETIVE DELETED) whoever they want and you don`t care.
BEHAR: Not necessarily true.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: First of all, they get a girl pregnant, you know it`s not --
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Imagine the stuff we warned Rob about, you know? So it`s not that easy.
KIM KARDASHIAN: As long as you make them use a condom then you don`t really care about guys --
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Well, you can`t sit in the room and make them do anything.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: You can`t? Who knew?
BEHAR: I don`t have to much time, 30 seconds. But the press is always comparing the three of you. This one`s got this. This one`s got this. Doesn`t that annoy you?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: A 100% it annoys us, but, I mean, at the same time we are not insecure with who we are as women. And we love each other so much. I`m so happy for everything she is going on and she is going on. It doesn`t bother me.
KIM KARDASHIAN: We`re all like in such different places on our lives and phases that, you know, we`re happy for each other.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Kim and Khloe know that I`m the smartest so --
BEHAR: So, there you have it.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: All righty. Their new book is "Kardashian Konfidential." Pick it up. It`s very cute. Good night, everybody. Thank you, girls. Lovely to see you.
KARDASHIAN SISTERS: Thank you.
END
