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Weekly Round-up; Dog in the House
Aired January 21, 2011 - 22:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HOST: This week`s Golden Globes host Ricky Gervais was criticized for making jokes about Hollywood stars that were hurtful and mean spirited. You know, please, that`s what a comedian does, ok? Hey, I make fun of my crew all the time and they love me for it, right, guys? I mean, it`s true.
See, what did I tell you? They love me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, Joy interviews Amy Chua, the author behind the controversial Tiger Mom theory of parenting that has everybody talking about whether you should coddle your kids or crack the whip.
Then Dog the Bounty Hunter and his wife stop by to talk about some of the day`s biggest crimes stories and their show`s 200th episode.
Plus the most outspoken mother/daughter duo in America, Joan and Melissa Rivers are here.
That and more starting right now.
BEHAR: Ricky Gervais may have caught some flak for his performance at the Golden Globes but it probably wasn`t from conservatives who just loved him bashing the Hollywood elites. Take a look.
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RICKY GERVAIS, COMEDIAN: Also not nominated, "I love you Phillip Morris", Jim Carrey and Ewan Macgregor, two heterosexual actors pretending to be gay; so the complete opposite of some famous Scientologists then.
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BEHAR: Oh, yes. Too much or not enough? With me now to talk about this and other dishy stories in the news this week are: actor, Victor Garber; Rebecca Dana, senior correspondent for "The Daily Beast"; and comedian Carey Reilly. Ok guys.
VICTOR GARBER, ACTOR: Well, I think, first of all, anything that brings us a little closer together is a good thing. I think Ricky Gervais should go to the senate now and bring them together and actually maybe work something out.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: But why do conservatives hate Hollywood?
GARBER: Because really it`s laughable. A lot of what we do is laughable. And I think that they`re looking for anyone to pick on. You know, it`s a target.
BEHAR: You think so, Rebecca?
REBECCA DANA, SENIOR CORRESPONDENT, "THE DAILY BEAST": Absolutely. I mean anything that skewers Hollywood like pompous Hollywood and all of the grandstanding. I mean, if Ricky Gervais survives whatever Scientologists have in store for him these next few weeks, I completely agree with Victor. I think --
BEHAR: I know you`re right. They`re a scary bunch.
DANA: Yes.
BEHAR: Now, actor Jason Bateman said, "I thought Ricky Gervais was genius, just what a night of self-congratulation needs." So you know, it`s like --
CAREY REILLY, COMEDIAN: He can make fun of himself. He`s sort of a comic actor.
BEHAR: Who, Gervais?
REILLY: Jason Bateman.
BEHAR: Oh, Jason Bateman. Yes.
REILLY: But the more serious actors, they couldn`t handle it. We all want to see these actors, hoity-toity, lay an egg. I mean really we wanted them to be made fun of.
GARBER: But Joy --
BEHAR: Yes. GARBER: Isn`t it a pleasure to see authenticity? I mean it`s real, what he`s saying, he`s saying things that are actually I think funny. I think he`s brilliant.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Wait a second. The Scientology remarks, OK, who he didn`t name. He outed a couple of Scientologists who shall remain nameless.
GARBER: Yes. They better.
BEHAR: I mean, should he have named them?
GARBER: No.
BEHAR: Why is it everybody seems to know who they are?
GARBER: Well, because how long have we been talking about this?
DANA: I think that gets to exactly why conservatives like Ricky Gervais and also I would guess a lot of the public likes Ricky Gervais, which is that -- look at how tabloids have exploded in the last few years. Look at TMZ.
We really -- you know we don`t want our celebrities to be perfect anymore. We want to see the ugly underbelly of the Jolie/Pitt marriage.
GARBER: The bad side of it, too. I mean the intrusion, the kind of, you know, the invasion of privacy. I find that reprehensible and disgusting. By the way, no one`s coming after me. Maybe I`m just jealous.
BEHAR: You might be jealous.
GARBER: I do think that -- I loved Ricky Gervais and thought, yes, boohoo, oh, yes, grow up.
REILLY: But some of them hit below the belt. I thought the Robert Downey Jr. was -- I thought that was inappropriate.
BEHAR: He said he was in jail and he was a druggy before.
REILLY: Right.
BEHAR: Well, that`s true.
REILLY: Yes. But we have to talk about it? We forgot that.
BEHAR: You`re a comedian. You`re supposed to love the truth.
REILLY: I didn`t love that. I mean so what if Oprah Winfrey comes on. We`re going to say she`s fat, she`s skinny, she`s fat, she`s skinny, Oprah Winfrey. You know what I mean. Like why tell the truth like that. It hurts too much.
GARBER: You mean it wasn`t clever enough.
REILLY: It was personal. I thought it was cheap. It was such a long time ago Joy. He`s such a great actor since then.
BEHAR: I know. Well then he should be making jokes about it, himself.
GARBER: Also he`s awfully famous and successful.
BEHAR: Yes. But in a way you`re right. It`s like bringing it up, why do you have to bring it up now when he`s already -- it`s in the past?
The other thing Ricky did was, as he was walking off, you could see him walking off, it might not have been in the script, he said "Thank you, God, for making me an atheist."
REILLY: Now, why did I throw Jesus under the bus? I didn`t like it one bit, personally.
BEHAR: No backlash to that, though.
REILLY: I can`t believe it.
GARBER: Maybe people didn`t hear it.
DANA: Ricky Gervais has been on a little bit of an atheism campaign lately. He wrote a piece for the "Wall Street Journal" a couple weeks ago explaining why he`s an atheist. So this is --
REILLY: Who was that a campaign for?
DANA: Look, it`s a campaign for --
REILLY: For the devil? You`re campaigning for the devil?
GARBER: Standing up for the idiots.
DANA: I think it`s a lot of things. If you disagree with a religious right, there are a lot of ways you can make an argument that --
BEHAR: But it`s such a public line. "Thank you God for making me an atheist" isn`t funny?
REILLY: It`s pretty funny.
DANA: Look at the way Hollywood celebrities have their pick of causes that they want to support. Some of them, Jim Carrey and his crusade against vaccines because of autism, I mean, I, you know, I support Ricky Gervais for being --
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Well, that has been completely destroyed, that particularly group, debunked.
Ok. Now for the past 28 years I`ve been waking up every morning with Steve and Regis, that`s my version of a three-way. This week he announced, the Reeg announced he`s retiring from "Live with Regis and Kelly". But it turns out he`s not completely retiring and he has dumped his agent of 30 years.
GARBER: Wow.
BEHAR: Yes.
GARBER: Didn`t know that.
BEHAR: You know from agents -- and so do you, probably. I don`t know. You don`t need an agent.
DANA: I have three agents.
GARBER: Three? I need more.
BEHAR: Ok.
GARBER: Three agents?
BEHAR: Professional jealousy.
Listen to what his agent, who I happen to know very well, said. He said, "When I first met Regis he hadn`t worked in a year and a half and here we are, we`ve had a great run." Keywords, he hadn`t worked in a year. I made you. Isn`t it? I made you. Yes.
GARBER: Right, right, right. But then he took the high road at the end after he --
BEHAR: Yes. We`ve had a great run.
GARBER: You know what, some people, I believe this, I think Regis, I get the feeling he just wants to change. He just wants a change.
It`s like I don`t think it`s just -- by the way, a new agent, there will be no difference in his career. I know for a fact because I`ve changed three times. Nothing changes. You know, I think that he will, you know, it`s just like saying, oh, new people and you have the lunches with new people that take you out. So it`s a nice change. That`s all.
BEHAR: You know, I have worked with Regis. I opened for him and we co-headlined together. He likes to sing. Maybe he can join the cast of "Glee". What do you think about that?
REILLY: He should not be singing. I`ve heard it from -- remember the "Greatest Hits with Kathie Lee"? I don`t know -- do you think he can sing or likes to sing?
BEHAR: He has a good voice and the audience likes it.
REILLY: He`s more of a talker/singer. I used to be an intern on the show. Did you know that? Regis and Kathie Lee?
BEHAR: yes. He`s like Rex Harrison. He`s a talker/singer.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: What about this little dishy part? He told Kathie Lee Gifford but he didn`t tell Kelly. He told Kathie Lee first. Is he sleeping with Kathie? I`ve been asking this all week. Is he sleeping with Kathie Lee Gifford?
DANA: Holy-moly.
BEHAR: I`m kidding of course. But he told Kathie Lee and he never told his co-host.
GARBER: That he was leaving?
BEHAR: Yes.
REILLY: Do you think that`s true?
DANA: I think Kelly knew. Don`t you think she knew a little bit?
BEHAR: No.
GARBER: First time she heard was on the air?
REILLY: Before they went on the air.
BEHAR: Before they went on the air.
REILLY: He told her right before.
BEHAR: It could be that, you know, you want that element of surprise when you say it on -- to be authentic.
REILLY: I remember, honestly when I did work on the show, they didn`t talk before they ever got on air.
BEHAR: They shouldn`t talk to each other.
REILLY: Yes, they didn`t talk -- they kept magic. So maybe that is why.
BEHAR: Sometimes on "The View" we leave it in the makeup room and that`s a mistake. You know what I mean? But who`s going to replace him, quickly before we go.
GARBER: Mark Consuelos --
REILLY: No. Who wants to see two married hot couples talk to each other? I`m sorry, Victor. Victor, I`m sorry.
GARBER: I like him. I met him at a party. I liked him.
BEHAR: Regis is coming on this show in a few weeks. He promised me. You heard that, Regis, if you`re watching tonight. I got the phone call from you. I want to talk to him.
REILLY: Oh, boy.
BEHAR: Anyway, let`s talk about "American Idol". Ok? It was back this week minus the charming Simon Cowell. I hope he`s ok. I heard he`s been walking on the Upper West Side hurling insults at total strangers.
GARBER: Really? No.
BEHAR: He is. You`re dirty. Wash up. I miss Simon`s snarky remarks and Paula`s craziness. I liked it.
GARBER: Well, it`s the first week.
BEHAR: So what? Come on, come out of the gate.
GARBER: Well, no.
REILLY: I don`t miss it at all. I think Steven Tyler -- he`s hot. I think he`s really --
BEHAR: Oh, really?
REILLY: He looks a little beat up, but I think he`s stinky. You know I like stinky, Joy, we`ve talked about that before.
BEHAR: What do you mean stinky?
REILLY: Well, he looks a little like he didn`t wash for a couple weeks. The hair`s a little oily.
BEHAR: And you enjoy that? Do you have olfactory issues?
REILLY: I like a man to be a man.
GARBER: That`s not a man. Dirty? Smelly? That`s a man?
REILLY: Also -- rugged. That`s what it is.
BEHAR: Isn`t he on the verge of the Joyce Wildenstein look?
(CROSSTALK)
GARBER: I think so.
REILLY: He brings his lip in closer to his teeth because they were hanging out a little bit. Did you notice that?
DANA: Well, that`s possible.
REILLY: I know.
BEHAR: They`re saying Jennifer Lopez is too nice. I mean she makes Ellen DeGeneres look like Leona Helmsley. Ok.
We`re finished. We`re out of time.
If you`re in New York, you can catch Victor Garber in a special performance of Knickerbocker holiday on January 25th and 26th at Alice Tully Hall (ph). Who is Alice Tully anyway?
GARBER: Exactly.
BEHAR: We`ll be back in a minute.
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BEHAR: He`s the world`s most famous bounty hunter tracking down bad guys across America with TV cameras in tow. The 200th episode of his reality show, "Dog the Bounty Hunter" airs January 26th on A&E. Here`s a sneak peek.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have information he snuck in without your knowledge.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go, go.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We just dealt with the owner of the house. Come here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Big search, guys.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The house is clear.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: With me now are two of -- two of my favorite guests on this show for sure are: Duane "Dog" Chapman and his lovely wife, Beth Chapman. Congratulations to you guys.
BETH CHAPMAN, DOG THE BOUNTY HUNTER: Thank you.
DUANE "DOG" CHAPMAN, DOG THE BOUNTY HUNTER: Thank you very much. Thank you.
BEHAR: I mean 200th episode. It`s a good thing there are criminals out there, keeps you working.
D. CHAPMAN: Really, yes. Yes.
BEHAR: Are you surprised that you`re so successful in this show?
D. CHAPMAN: Yes, absolutely.
B. CHAPMAN: Yes.
D. CHAPMAN: We`re very blessed. We`re surprised. And we`re happy about it. And hopefully, we can have 200 more. But we`re -- we`re living a -- you know, a dream.
(CROSS TALK)
BEHAR: You`re living a dream.
D. CHAPMAN: Yes.
BEHAR: What -- what -- Beth, what are the highlights and bad things about the show? What are the good and the bad?
B. CHAPMAN: Well, you know, the good thing is that it really gives us a vehicle to go out and reach people in places that most people don`t want to even go, you know? Your upstanding citizen sees the guy that`s begging for money on the side of the road, we`re pulling over and stopping. Why are you doing that? Why do you need this?
You know, it gives us the opportunities to really get out to people that really just are hopeless. And they, you know, they`re hooked on drugs. They can`t keep themselves straightened out. And that gives us an opportunity to step in.
BEHAR: So, you really live by that motto, if you see something, say something.
B. CHAPMAN: Yes.
BEHAR: But if you -- if you see something, do something --
B. CHAPMAN: Yes.
BEHAR: -- is really more to the point with you guys.
B. CHAPMAN: Absolutely.
BEHAR: Well, let -- let`s go to the Arizona shootings for a second then because we were just talking about, you know, the fact that the guy is mentally ill.
D. CHAPMAN: Right.
BEHAR: And that it really -- it really went undiagnosed and unchecked for a long time and it came to that. If you saw somebody ranting and -- and free associating in this crazy way on the street, what would you do?
D. CHAPMAN: Well, it`s amazing you say this because, of course -- what would you say?
B. CHAPMAN: Confront them.
D. CHAPMAN: Confront them. What you -- there are three things that should have happened to that. You want to tighten those laws up. And we have the experience and the knowledge to know how. Number one, you renew the gun permit.
BEHAR: Tighten -- say it again --
D. CHAPMAN: You want to make this not happen again so easily --
BEHAR: Yes. Yes.
D. CHAPMAN: -- they tighten it up where it would be hard to do.
BEHAR: Yes.
D. CHAPMAN: It`s hard right now to bomb a plane. All right? Let`s make it hard right now to kill a senator or a member of Congress. Number one, all gun permits should be renewed every two years, just like your driver license. You have you to get 10 references. You call that reference. Any of those kids could have said, this guys is now kicked out of college, he`s crazy.
Number two, where did he buy the ammunition?
BEHAR: Just walked into the store.
(CROSS TALK)
BEHAR: I was in Las Vegas last week. You can buy ammunition and guns all over the place. There are ads in the airport and everything.
B. CHAPMAN: Yes.
D. CHAPMAN: No. You sell something -- can you buy dynamite at Wal- Mart?
BEHAR: I don`t know.
D. CHAPMAN: Can you buy dynamite at K-Mart?
BEHAR: I really don`t know, but you can buy guns at Wal-Mart, I think. Yes.
D. CHAPMAN: What is -- but what is the difference between a bullet and dynamite. So, put it back into the gun dealers. If that -- if that kid would have walked into a real gun dealer at 7:30, 8:00 in the morning, and been all crazy, and said, I need a bullet, I need some bullets.
BEHAR: Yes.
D. CHAPMAN: -- the guy would have said, "Wait a minute, 911."
B. CHAPMAN: The gun dealer would have said, absolutely not.
D. CHAPMAN: No.
B. CHAPMAN: You know, there`s a difference about being trained and accountable. When you`re a -- a gun dealer, you know what you`re looking for. You`re looking for those signs of mental illness. When you`re a Wal- Mart clerk, I -- I don`t know that you have --
(CROSS TALK)
BEHAR: So, you`re saying not to sell it in just any old store. But what about the gun shows?
(CROSS TALK)
B. CHAPMAN: Absolutely now they should be controlled.
D. CHAPMAN: That`s illegal, you know?
B. CHAPMAN: Yes.
D. CHAPMAN: Everyone knows you can go to them and buy those things. That should be illegal.
B. CHAPMAN: Right. That`s what they prey. They prey in those places because they know that they can buy guns and ammunition in those places that don`t have the regulations that gun stores do.
BEHAR: But you guys are talking like two rational human beings who also --
D. CHAPMAN: Yes.
BEHAR: -- have guns, I presume.
D. CHAPMAN: No.
BEHAR: You don`t even have guns?
D. CHAPMAN: We have nonlethal weapons. Ok? We use nonlethal. Number one, I`m a 30-year-old felon, ok, 30 years ago. So, I can`t use a gun.
But number two --
BEHAR: What did you do to be a felon?
D. CHAPMAN: I did something bad in Texas.
BEHAR: Did you kill somebody?
D. CHAPMAN: No, I was in a gang fight and someone died.
BEHAR: Oh, I see.
D. CHAPMAN: So, 30 years ago. So, I can`t own a gun, but I use nonlethal. That will, you know, we can put an elephant on his knees like that. I don`t believe in killing.
BEHAR: I see.
D. CHAPMAN: I`m not a vigilante. I believe in getting -- if the guys come in against my mother, I`m going to give her something to shoot him and he`s going down.
BEHAR: But it seems as though the -- like I don`t want to bad mouth anybody in this --
(CROSS TALK)
D. CHAPMAN: No.
BEHAR: -- because I don`t know enough about what they`re talking about. But seems like the NRA is always out to protect gun owners no matter how -- how -- what they are. And they seem to be like to stop any kind of controls over it. That`s my impression. Is it true?
D. CHAPMAN: The -- the --
(CROSS TALK)
B. CHAPMAN: Well, you`re -- you know, you have the right -- well, you we have the right to bear arms, right, and you never want to lose the right to bear arms, because it`s an important right to have, but you know, it`s a really fine line to be able to regulate it in such a way where a guy who`s maybe not a nut this year --
(CROSS TALK)
BEHAR: Yes.
B. CHAPMAN: -- but becomes a nut by the end of the year doesn`t get to have that gun anymore or the permit. So it`s tough.
BEHAR: Yes.
D. CHAPMAN: If you -- if you renew that every couple of years, this mental health kid, this one right here --
BEHAR: Yes.
D. CHAPMAN: -- he wasn`t born like that. You see how he grew into that.
BEHAR: Yes.
D. CHAPMAN: People all over were saying he`s crazy. So, right away - -
(CROSS TALK)
B. CHAPMAN: You know, the kids in college were saying on the first day of school, there`s a guy in my class who is mental --
(CROSS TALK)
BEHAR: Yes.
B. CHAPMAN: -- I`m sitting by the door.
BEHAR: Yes.
B. CHAPMAN: There`s e-mails, there`s all of these different things that happened way back in June when people who weren`t even in law enforcement were recognizing that Loughner had all these signs and they thought he was going to come back with a semi-automatic.
So, there were definitely signs out there that definitely could have been caught.
BEHAR: Ok. You know, before we go to break, I have to ask you about that necklace. What is that? What does it say? Property of dog?
B. CHAPMAN: Yes.
D. CHAPMAN: Yes.
BEHAR: And you have a -- you have ball and chain on your ankle.
B. CHAPMAN: Yes, I do.
D. CHAPMAN: I`m kind of possessive.
B. CHAPMAN: It`s a joke.
BEHAR: Apparently.
D. CHAPMAN: I`m sorry.
BEHAR: Did you buy that for her, "Property of Dog"?
D. CHAPMAN: Yes, I had it made.
B. CHAPMAN: But you know what? There are so many diamonds in it that it`s kind of hard to refuse the leash, collar.
D. CHAPMAN: Let`s talk more about this gun thing some more please.
BEHAR: Ok. We`re going to be back with more with Duane and Beth Chapman when we come back in a minute.
Yes, ok.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get down now.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Take all your kids inside. Mothers and fathers, this is not a joke. Get your kids inside.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: That was a look at the upcoming 200th episode of "Dog The Bounty Hunter." And I`m back with the stars of the show, Dog and Beth.
You wanted to talk more about guns but I wanted to also talk -- I don`t have all night.
D. CHAPMAN: Well, I`ll be quiet. You go ahead.
BEHAR: I also wanted to show that you were spoofed on "SNL" recently. I want people to watch that.
D. CHAPMAN: Oh, thank you.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Making his 10,000th appearance, Dog the Bounty Hunter.
JEFF BRIDGES, ACTOR: Pleasure to be here, Larry.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dog, you`re the smartest man I know. You chase down criminals who are trying to avoid capture. Have you ever thought about changing your look to something less recognizable?
BRIDGES: Oh, this is my look, Larry. Very few people look like a bird Hulk Hogan.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: OK. That was Jeff Bridges as Dog. Do you think he did him justice?
B. CHAPMAN: He did. It was a very funny skit. So, you know, people who are -- keep up to date with Dog probably found a lot of humor.
BEHAR: Do you like it, Dog, when they make fun of you like that? Play --
D. CHAPMAN: Well, you know, it all depends -- of course, I do him, right, but don`t try it, Chris Angel.
BEHAR: You know, Beth, you`re more of a bad ass than he is on your show. So, what happens in the bedroom?
B. CHAPMAN: Well, we, wow -- it`s smoking.
BEHAR: It`s smoking, huh?
B. CHAPMAN: And it`s smoking, and sometimes, there`s fire.
D. CHAPMAN: Without a king, ma`am, there couldn`t be a queen. So, back then, you know.
BEHAR: That`s what they say in Chelsea (ph).
Listen, are you ever going to get tired of running after fugitives or do you never get tired of it?
D. CHAPMAN: Well, they`re advancing. They`re getting smarter. So, it`s more of a challenge to us.
BEHAR: They`re getting smarter?
D. CHAPMAN: Oh, yes. They`re getting a lot technical now.
BEHAR: And they have more guns.
D. CHAPMAN: And we got things now that can tell -- wait, hey. We can go to the house and see if the heat in their body is there with these little machines that they`re hiding. So, we`re getting technical, too. It`s like --
B. CHAPMAN: It`s like playing with toys, Joy.
BEHAR: Don`t interrupt him. You`re his property.
B. CHAPMAN: That`s why I get to interrupt him.
They just love all the mechanics, the gadgets and they get to go and they do the heat-seeking thing.
D. CHAPMAN: Well, you`re going after really bad people that really hurt people, hurt women and children and do terrible things. You catch the guy. Some of them deserve a second chance.
They really have -- we have so many people, 45 percent of our people that we`ve arrested, 250, have gotten a job and changed their life. The other 60 are still in prison. It does help, you know. Somebody --
B. CHAPMAN: Well, just somebody to love them a little bit and show them a little attention and show them the way. You know, being in jail and being in the criminal justice system is hell.
BEHAR: I have a couple of Twitter questions. It`s from people who watch the show, OK? Will you ever cut your hair, Dog? Someone wants to know.
D. CHAPMAN: No.
BEHAR: Never?
D. CHAPMAN: Never.
BEHAR: How long did it take to you grow? You cut it on top.
D. CHAPMAN: Years. I kind of trim it here a little. If it falls out completely, I`ll buy a wig.
B. CHAPMAN: He doesn`t let me watch.
BEHAR: What do you mean he won`t let you watch?
B. CHAPMAN: Get out of the bathroom.
D. CHAPMAN: Watch what you say there.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Why? Is that very like a personal thing, the way you trim your hair?
B. CHAPMAN: Yes.
D. CHAPMAN: I`m half Indian and it`s like --
BEHAR: Really?
D. CHAPMAN: Yes.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Are you Native American? Part of you?
D. CHAPMAN: Yes.
BEHAR: Yes? It`s like they can`t take a photograph of the Native American. They think you`re stealing their soul, right? Same idea with the hair?
D. CHAPMAN: Oh, maybe, yes.
BEHAR: OK. Beth, you sure lost a lot of weight. How did you do it? Someone wants to know.
B. CHAPMAN: I do seven days a week exercise. And I do four days of extreme cardio in the Y.
BEHAR: Really? How about the food? You`re cutting back?
B. CHAPMAN: Very, very low --
BEHAR: No sweets?
B. CHAPMAN: No. I should not have sweets at all. Sometimes, I indulge because we`re women. Most of the time, I keep a high water diet, cabbage and lettuce and --
BEHAR: Cabbage and lettuce, what are you a rabbit?
(CROSSTALK)
B. CHAPMAN: I mix hamburger with it sometimes and a little bit of chicken. But I stick to really high water foods.
BEHAR: How much did you lose?
B. CHAPMAN: I lost about 35, 40 pounds.
BEHAR: Good for you.
D. CHAPMAN: About 50 pounds. But this is a sport. I mean, if you tackle and fight them, you fight them, and she`s got to be fit to be able to -- you know, she`s got to fight. So, you got to be -- not as fit as Hulk Hogan, but you --
BEHAR: She`s got to fight you.
D. CHAPMAN: I told her that was different.
BEHAR: All right, you two whacky kids, I have to go.
B. CHAPMAN: OK.
D. CHAPMAN: Thank you very much. We love you.
BEHAR: Always a pleasure to see you and keep up -- keep catching those bad guys.
D. CHAPMAN: Thank you.
BEHAR: And you can catch a special best of episode of "Dog the Bounty Hunter" on January 26th at 8 p.m., followed by the 200th episode at 9 p.m. on A&E.
We`ll be right back.
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BEHAR: Have you heard of tiger mom yet? She`s become the center of a controversy after her new book details her extreme parenting techniques. She`s been vilified by some and praised by others and she`s not even running for anything. Let`s meet the woman and herself and decide for ourselves. Amy Chua, author of "Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother".
Welcome to the show, Amy.
AMY CHUA, AUTHOR, "BATTLE HYMN OF THE TIGER MOTHER": Thank you. Thank you for having me.
BEHAR: OK. I`m going to be open-minded in this interview --
CHUA: OK.
BEHAR: -- because I was reading some of the press, and you sound a little extreme to me, but I`m willing to hear your side. I want to hear it.
CHUA: OK.
BEHAR: All right. Go ahead.
CHUA: I want to say though that this book is just a memoir, it`s not a parenting book. It`s just about my own journey.
BEHAR: Oh, yes.
CHUA: I`m not trying to tell --
BEHAR: We know that, we`re just trying to decide if you`re too harsh as a parent, basically.
CHUA: OK. Let`s talk about it. And maybe I have been.
BEHAR: It`s possible. So first I want to read some of your rules from the book. Just go over them a little bit. No play dates, children are not allowed to be in a school play. No TV or computer games, which I happen to agree with you on that one. That`s a good idea. I mean they watch too much television, they play too many games and they don`t pay attention enough to school.
But no choosing their own extracurricular activities. They must get at least an A. What happens if they don`t get an A?
CHUA: Joy, can I explain something about that famous list? This is part of the problem. That list is a little bit deadpan humor, and some people get it, they think it`s so funny. No, I`m not backing down. That list was applied very strictly to me by my strict Chinese immigrant parents.
My parents -- I was raised by super strict immigrant parents, who came to this country so poor, my dad wore the same pair of shoes for six years. They raised me and my three younger sisters very strictly, but always very lovingly.
So that list was applied straight to me. People misunderstand, they`re like no sleepovers? How cruel? I actually when I was little I did kind of resent that. But now I realize, my parents were these immigrants. They had come from Second World War, they had endured all this hardship, and they came to this country, they`re all alone, they barely speak English.
And I remember my dad would say to me, he`s like, why do you -- we have a home here? We have a bed here for you. Why do you need to go to someone else`s house this week?
BEHAR: I understand that because my father was like that too. He would not allow me to have any sleepovers, I think he was afraid of child molesters.
CHUA: Well, actually that`s an interesting -- so it depends. So just to quickly explain, that list is a little tongue in cheek; with my own kids I was a little bit more lenient. And as you know, that voice at the -- by the end of the book I am way more lenient. You know, I get my comeuppance.
BEHAR: But you seem to have gone to the extreme, whether it`s tongue in cheek or not, I think a lot of the stories are true.
CHUA: Yes.
BEHAR: When you say they must play the violin or piano, I guess cello is another high class instrument. What if you can`t afford the lessons, for example, what is a mother to do then?
CHUA: Yes. I do not think -- maybe it`s hard to figure out what`s tongue in cheek. You`ve read the book, right? You know my daughter rebels against me, and my book --
BEHAR: One of them did. One of them did. Your daughter --
CHUA: My second one. Right. So this -- all the rules that you`re reading, and that kind of unbearable tone, like over-confident, that was basically me 18 years ago, when I had an easy first kid and my parent`s methods worked on me. I adore my parents. That`s why I owe everything to them.
So I was like, you know this is easy, this is what I`m going to do. My second daughter came along, we fought from day one. But at 13, it wasn`t just fighting, she just hated me. She started to hate the violin, even though she got so good. She was so alienated.
BEHAR: Why?
CHUA: And honestly, Joy, you know that this story, the last third of the story is heartbreaking, and what I learned is, I suddenly realized what am I doing? I`m going to lose my daughter and who cares about the violin?
At the end, as you know, I let my daughter drop it. She wanted to play tennis, she`s not ever going to be -- it makes her happy. I`m so proud that I made that decision. I think that listening, you have to listen to your kids --
BEHAR: You know what? Amy, can I say something -- you need to write another book, because you seem to be backtracking on everything in this book.
CHUA: No, I am not backtracking.
BEHAR: Let me ask you something about this other part. Some of the stuff you say I agree with you, I`m a completely different type of mother, I`m very lenient. I`m a Dr. Spock child myself, and let them do whatever they want. That`s how I am. I want my children to be happy.
CHUA: There`s not one -- I do want to say that I`m not backtracking. Ask me some questions, I`m very strict on academic excellence. I do think play dates and sleepovers are overrated. I think western kids get too much chance -- I mean too much choice. But I just think the idea is a balance.
Ask me the tough questions.
BEHAR: OK. I agree with you. I think that that`s true.
So this part was a little bit confusing to me, in the book it says you called your daughters garbage, pathetic, lazy, self-indulgent. What is that about?
CHUA: OK. First of all, this book, there are moments I am not proud of, Joy. In fact, I wish people would be a little bit more honest about -- when you have teenagers, show me a teenaged household where there`s not some conflict. I could tell you, but you don`t have to believe me, that my kids grew up in a loving, non-abusive household. But you don`t know my family, so you don`t have to believe me. Words in one context may not mean the same in another.
I want to talk about the garbage thing, this word has been -- now it`s out there in the press like Amy Chua thinks you should call your kids garbage if they don`t get an A. That is so wrong.
I was called garbage in my Chinese dialect by my father once and only once in my entire life. And it was when I was about 14, my family demanded total respect -- this is like traditional parenting -- and I had a fit that I think western kids do all the time. But I said like shut up to my mom, I hate you.
My dad came in and it was in Chinese, like in the press it`s like, oh, he made you feel like a piece of garbage. The message I got was, Joy, he was saying shame on you, your mother has devoted her life to you, she`s tried her best, she`s given you everything. And if you can`t appreciate that and show her the respect that`s due her and be grateful, and you just talk to her like that, it doesn`t matter what kind of a student you are, you are worth nothing.
BEHAR: I see.
CHUA: And that`s the message. And that`s the -- I used that word garbage once and only once in my household in a very similar context.
BEHAR: You remember it, though, to this day, you were 14, your father said it, you remember it to this day.
CHUA: I do.
BEHAR: Because you don`t forget things like that.
CHUA: You know, it didn`t and I don`t forget it. But I didn`t feel like garbage, I just felt ashamed.
BEHAR: Well, it`s the same thing.
CHUA: But maybe it`s a cultural difference, because I think maybe in the west, if you feel ashamed of something, that is supposed to be very bad for your self-esteem. Not me, I felt like, I am a good person, and I owe my mom more self-respect.
But I will tell you, I am not proud of that moment myself. I wish I had said to Sophia, instead of being so hot-tempered, I wish I had said shame on you, instead of that word. I used it once, though.
BEHAR: Let me clear up the birthday card incident that people are talking about.
CHUA: OK.
BEHAR: Apparently one of your children I think it was Lulu, she made you a card for your birthday.
CHUA: Both of them.
BEHAR: Both of them did.
CHUA: I rejected both of them.
BEHAR: You did not like the birthday card. You felt that she hadn`t put in enough time making the birthday card. Am I right?
CHUA: Yes. Joy, I really --
BEHAR: Are you ashamed of that moment also or not?
CHUA: No, no. That moment has to be -- and my daughter wrote an op- ed defending that moment. She published something in the "New York Post".
Here`s the deal. The way that it`s being spun it`s like oh, this woman took this carefully handmade card and said, it`s not good enough. Not the case.
This story cracks my kids up. They came, everyone had forgotten my birthday. My husband took me -- he had forgotten. He like made a restaurant reservation at the last minute, it was a real dump. We were all cranky. My husband says pull out your birthday surprises. They had each like taken a piece of paper, I don`t know. Like a piece of the menu or something, or just a piece of paper, folded it in half, made a smiley face.
And it is true, I looked at it. And you know, you have to know that my kids, in our household, we are outrageous. We laugh at each other. We`re very, very close. We`re very tight.
And she -- and I looked at it and I said Lulu, that`s not good enough. You know, when your birthday comes, I spend weeks planning it. I bake you the cake, I put little penguins on it. I used my whole salary to get a magician for you. And I deserve more than this.
And you know what, what they said afterwards, they said they felt better doing a good job. I mean, they`re really good, they`re like, Sophia said in public --
(CROSS TALK)
BEHAR: But you know what --
CHUA: -- she`s like, I was busted.
BEHAR: -- I have to disagree with you a little bit because I think it`s -- that story sounds like it was more about you than it was about them. It`s like guilt-tripping the kid. You didn`t make a good enough birthday card. That`s how it sounds.
CHUA: You know what, I -- I -- this could be a cultural thing. You know because I was taught to be very grateful to my parents. And you know what, I guess I felt that my parents earned that from me. They earned my gratitude.
And my husband actually agrees with you. My husband doesn`t feel that kids should be -- it`s -- it`s not so great -- like they`re not so indebted to their parents. But that`s not the way I was raised, but I don`t think it was all about me.
Here`s what I think, I think you are not raising a good kid who is going to have good character and good integrity and be able to grow up to be somebody that can have good relationships if you raise a spoiled, entitled kid.
(CROSS TALK)
BEHAR: Well, we agree with that.
CHUA: I don`t want --
BEHAR: Well, everyone agrees with that.
(CROSS TALK)
CHUA: -- well I don`t know -- but a lot of our kids --
BEHAR: But -- but your reputation is that you`re taking it to the extreme, and that for -- for instance when you burnt -- you threatened to burn your daughters stuffed animals and cancel her bar-mitzvah party?
(CROSS TALK)
CHUA: That came up-- yes, OK, that one is -- that is a joke.
BEHAR: Oh that`s a joke. See, here`s the problem --
CHUA: My daughter said that.
(CROSS TALK)
BEHAR: -- with this book, Amy, because we don`t get what`s the -- what the joke is, and what the joke is not. Maybe it`s the writing, you know? I mean --
CHUA: Maybe. Somebody -- you know, hey Joy, I have to tell you, it`s 50/50. I get e-mails from people who`ve read the book, and maybe it`s like a cultural thing, like if you grow up as the kid of immigrants because I have like had a Nigerian Americans, Polish Americans, Irish immigrants. They`re like I was on the floor, they even got the eggs up, they were laughing so hard. And other people are reading it straight. So it is a funny tone. I mean, yes, that`s probably my fault. I don`t know --
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Write another book. But it was lovely to have you, and good luck with selling this one. OK.
CHUA: Thanks for giving me a chance.
BEHAR: Sure.
OK, the book is called "Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother." We`ll be right back.
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BEHAR: Well, legendary comic Joan Rivers and her daughter Melissa have often worked together and now they are moving in together. The fireworks ensue in a new reality show, Joan and Melissa. "Joan Knows Best?"
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: It`s premiering next Tuesday on We. Take a look.
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JOAN RIVERS: I brought Lola.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How are you.
JOAN RIVERS: A little dribble. A little dribble. Sorry.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s OK. We expect that.
MELISSA RIVERS: Why is your dog in my house?
JOAN RIVERS: You know I always travel with Lola. She`s the Gayle to my Oprah.
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BEHAR: With me now, the lovely and talented Ms. Joan and Ms. Melissa Rivers. That is a funny line. This show to me is more like "Curb Your Enthusiasm," because we`re following your mother mostly gets all the laughs. You know, Melissa, you`re like a straight man to her.
MELISSA RIVERS: Yes.
BEHAR: And we`re following the character. It`s great. It`s very funny.
JOAN RIVERS: It`s funny, and our lives are funny, and then it gets -- there`s this one episode where there`s a scene that I literally moved out.
BEHAR: Really? That`s right, in the first episode.
JOAN RIVERS: No.
BEHAR: I saw that one.
MELISSA RIVERS: Why would we do that in the first episode?
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: But you two have had a volatile relationship over the years, right? So whose idea was it to move in together?
MELISSA RIVERS: I don`t think it`s volatile. It`s normal. I mean, a lot of people don`t understand, it`s normal, people fight with their parents.
BEHAR: What was the most normal thing you`ve done?
MELISSA RIVERS: Well, I haven`t killed her.
BEHAR: And she hasn`t killed you.
MELISSA RIVERS: Exactly. So that goes both ways.
JOAN RIVERS: Well, when the show ended, and it ended, thank God, on a very happy note.
MELISSA RIVERS: Yes.
JOAN RIVERS: You know, our first season, Melissa planned a wonderful mother-daughter weekend, and then she took a different mother.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: You know what I like about you, Joan, you always think she`s going to be serious, and then she`s not.
MELISSA RIVERS: No, no.
BEHAR: Now, in the show, she comes into the house and doesn`t realize that the boyfriend is living there.
MELISSA RIVERS: Well, I mean, first of all, my mother knows that Jason and I have been together. And it was one of those situations where we had made a decision that Jason was not going to renew his lease at his place and we had not gotten around to having -- I -- we talk 70 times a day and it`s for 30 seconds each time. And I just never had a chance to say...
BEHAR: But how come you didn`t know? She`s got a boyfriend.
JOAN RIVERS: She -- because she doesn`t -- does your daughter tell you everything?
BEHAR: No.
JOAN RIVERS: She doesn`t tell me anything.
MELISSA RIVERS: I just did not think it was a conversation we wanted to have over the telephone.
JOAN RIVERS: Jason comes down the stairs in a towel. I think I should say...
MELISSA RIVERS: But you know that we`ve been together for a while.
(CROSSTALK)
JOAN RIVERS: I didn`t know that he was circumcised. I mean...
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BEHAR: I mean, you figure if she`s living -- if she`s got a boyfriend, she`s not a virgin. She`s living with a guy, no?
(CROSSTALK)
JOAN RIVERS: Mothers don`t want to hear this.
BEHAR: I love the part about the Swedish nanny. Let`s look at that piece of tape.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JOAN RIVERS: This is just wrong. There`s a hooker watering the plants.
Melissa, what is going on in there?
MELISSA RIVERS: Mom, she`s great. Cooper loves her. She`s efficient, she`s clean, and for God`s sakes, she speaks English and can drive.
JOAN RIVERS: I think it`s fine...
(CROSSTALK)
JOAN RIVERS: (inaudible) in the morning, let`s finish the sentence like that.
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BEHAR: This bitch is right out of central casting, what are you, crazy?
(CROSSTALK)
MELISSA RIVERS: I have a wonderful nanny that went home for the summer, which is fine, and this lovely girl that has worked for people I know. She`s bright (ph), she`s smart, she speaks English, Cooper loves her, she knows our area, and it was a stopgap for me until school started for Cooper. And it was, you know, it`s panic time sometimes. I don`t know if you had nannies...
BEHAR: No.
MELISSA RIVERS: But you get panicky when you work and you`re a single parent.
BEHAR: Of course.
MELISSA RIVERS: And I`m not going to let her drive.
BEHAR: You need someone who looks like Helen Thomas, not like Ms. Sweden.
MELISSA RIVERS: Cooper does adore her.
JOAN RIVERS: Adores her, and she`s wonderful with Cooper.
MELISSA RIVERS: And she still babysits.
BEHAR: But Joan doesn`t like her, right, Joan?
(CROSSTALK)
JOAN RIVERS: I mean, come on, you don`t bring -- this is a girl that gets (inaudible) with Tiger Woods.
(CROSSTALK)
MELISSA RIVERS: Cooper has all-access passes to every major sports team now.
BEHAR: OK, let`s move on to the plastic surgery part of the show, which...
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: It`s such a stretch. I don`t know where I come up with these ideas.
JOAN RIVERS: I`m getting tired of this...
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(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: But you don`t want her to get any more. She wants to get her arms sucked out.
MELISSA RIVERS: Yes.
BEHAR: I know you would like to do that, but they have this -- the sleeves now.
JOAN RIVERS: Oh, yes, you can`t swim in sleeves.
(CROSSTALK)
JOAN RIVERS: We went to a lot of plastic surgeons, and all four said no.
MELISSA RIVERS: That is one of the great moments of my life, where I actually get to be right. Which are few and far between.
BEHAR: Yes, you say to her, no more elective surgery.
MELISSA RIVERS: Enough.
JOAN RIVERS: I don`t consider it elective.
BEHAR: When is enough enough?
JOAN RIVERS: Never. Never.
BEHAR: You have so say that there`s a stop to this, Joan, at some point.
JOAN RIVERS: Why?
BEHAR: Because.
JOAN RIVERS: Why?
Joy, if you can get some quack to do something to you, you go and you pray he knows -- and you know, he`ll give you a little anesthetic.
BEHAR: But you couldn`t find a quack in Beverly Hills?
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BEHAR: Go down to Ecuador. Brazil, Brazil, everybody does everything now.
MELISSA RIVERS: OK, thank you for season two.
BEHAR: Now you two -- oh really?
(CROSSTALK)
MELISSA RIVERS: You`re going to go home and write that down and put it in the file. Joy says.
BEHAR: It`s good, go to Brazil, do a location thing.
JOAN RIVERS: I`ll meet somebody who will do it. There`s always somebody who will say, OK.
BEHAR: Now, what about the red carpet? You`ve given up the red carpet?
MELISSA RIVERS: We stopped doing the red carpet coverage a while back, and suddenly after two years, people are going, you guys aren`t going to do it anymore? Its` like we haven`t done it for two years. My feeling was, from the producing point of view and the hosting point of view for me, we did it. We did it in my opinion better than anyone else.
BEHAR: I agree with that.
MELISSA RIVERS: No one has ever gotten the same ratings we got. Everyone copied everything we did, and it`s become so big and so overwhelming and so controlled, and so basically produced by the publicists.
BEHAR: What was the most fun of doing it and the worst fun (ph)?
JOAN RIVERS: I`m just such a fan, I mean, that somebody were to walk out and you got to meet Julia Roberts. You go to meet you know, you just go, oh, my God...
BEHAR: Not really. I`m not like that.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: I mean, someone stopped me once to say, who were you wearing, I said Chicos (ph). It`s embarrassing.
(CROSSTALK)
MELISSA RIVERS: All the people you`ve met. That`s fun.
BEHAR: George Clooney, maybe.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: George Clooney.
JOAN RIVERS: Angelina (inaudible), with those big stupid lips.
BEHAR: OK, we`re going to have more with the Rivers girls when we come back.
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BEHAR: I`m back with Joan and Melissa Rivers. Now, what happened to you today at Fox?
MELISSA RIVERS: Well, we were supposed to -- we`re here promoting our show, "Joan and Melissa..."
BEHAR: Which is very funny. I have to say it, I really like the show, and people should watch it. Because...
MELISSA RIVERS: Tuesday nights at 9:00.
BEHAR: ... it`s really better than an average kind of reality show. It`s a comedy show.
(CROSSTALK)
MELISSA RIVERS: And we are here, I`m in town promoting, my mom is here for an extra day besides me. And I guess...
JOAN RIVERS: We said something somewhere in one of the hundred interviews...
MELISSA RIVERS: Or at -- (inaudible), my mom made a comment like, hi, I don`t think Sarah Palin is very smart.
BEHAR: Well, everybody says that.
MELISSA RIVERS: Right.
JOAN RIVERS: Exactly.
MELISSA RIVERS: And apparently we`re now...
JOY BEHAR: Even Newt Gingrich is practically saying that now.
MELISSA RIVERS: We are no longer apparently...
JOAN RIVERS: We got called.
MELISSA RIVERS: And we were uninvited.
BEHAR: Where?
MELISSA RIVERS: "Fox and Friends."
BEHAR: Oh, "Fox and Friends."
JOAN RIVERS: So now we call it "Fox and Former Friends."
(CROSSTALK)
JOAN RIVERS: They called and they said to our PR lady, she said why?
MELISSA RIVERS: Why.
JOAN RIVERS: And they said because of what was said about Ms. Palin. Because she`s a Fox contributor.
BEHAR: I guess.
JOAN RIVERS: She`s a Nazi, I don`t know. I mean, do they protect me over here at CNN?
(CROSSTALK)
MELISSA RIVERS: They`re saying nasty things about you from the network.
(CROSSTALK)
JOAN RIVERS: You know, I said to Melissa...
MELISSA RIVERS: Do you even remember what you said?
JOAN RIVERS: I don`t even remember what I said. I voted for her stupid daughter, I should have -- who couldn`t dance at all, because I felt sorry for her. I should have voted for David Hasselhoff because he was sober, and he would have understood.
BEHAR: That`s true. Give him points for that.
MELISSA RIVERS: Yes.
BEHAR: But you know what, there seems to be something going on against comedians, I noticed. Like Ricky Gervais was on the carpet at the Golden Globes...
(CROSSTALK)
JOAN RIVERS: First of all, I find it outrageous. They invite him on, they know what he does...
MELISSA RIVERS: They are paying him to host.
JOAN RIVERS: We`re comedians. And then he does what he`s supposed to do, and they all go, you shouldn`t say that.
MELISSA RIVERS: Right, right.
JOAN RIVERS: What is he supposed to say?
BEHAR: I know. They want him to be nice. But you know, he`s taking on the Hollywood elite. Come on, these people make gazillions of dollars.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: He sort of outed a couple of people. Kind of.
JOAN RIVERS: Outed. Surprise. I know, everybody`s sitting there at the tables from their waist down they`re in tutus...
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: I know, exactly. And another topic before we go, Regis Philbin retired. You know, Joan, you said to me, I hope that I know when it`s over. When do you know?
MELISSA RIVERS: You don`t.
JOAN RIVERS: Well, she`ll pull the plug.
MELISSA RIVERS: Yes. And then she won`t know when it`s over, because I`m just going to walk in and yank.
BEHAR: What are you going to say? Mom...
(CROSSTALK)
JOAN RIVERS: Here, we`ll do it. Hello, Melissa, how are you?
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: I`m not talking about a do not resuscitate here.
MELISSA RIVERS: No, but that`s when she`s going to retire.
BEHAR: I`m talking about getting you off of TV.
MELISSA RIVERS: That is not going to -- I was actually saying to her assistant the other day, if necessary, I`ll build a little black room and a box with a spotlight and a mike and I`ll put cutouts of people and once a week invite a gay guy in just to make the laugh louder, and we`ll push around every...
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Oh, like "The King of Comedy."
MELISSA RIVERS: Yes, and she can just do her routine, and we`ll go, good job, good show, mom. And we`ll just wheel her right back in.
JOAN RIVERS: I think you retire.
MELISSA RIVERS: I think that`s kind.
JOAN RIVERS: All I know is you hold on -- when they cut off your hands, you hold on like this. When they cut that off, you hold on like that.
BEHAR: So you never retire.
JOAN RIVERS: (inaudible).
BEHAR: Larry King said, retire to what?
JOAN RIVERS: Retire to what?
BEHAR: I know. It`s hard, isn`t it?
JOAN RIVERS: I miss (inaudible).
BEHAR: And they`ll take you out feet first.
JOAN RIVERS: You`re damn right.
BEHAR: OK, Joan and Melissa. "Joan Knows Best?" Question mark. Premieres Tuesday, January 25th at 9 p.m. on WE-TV. Good night, everybody.
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