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Chris Brown and Abuse; "DWTS" Dynamic Duo
Aired March 31, 2011 - 22:00 ET
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, more fallout from Chris Brown`s controversial appearance on "Dancing with the Stars".
Dancing star Cheryl Burke is a victim of abuse and is outraged by Brown`s appearance. She`ll be here to share her story.
Then "Teen Mom 2" star Janelle Evans is caught on tape brawling with another girl. But was it all a big scheme to make money off the video?
Plus Prince William won`t be wearing a wedding ring after he ties the knot with Kate Middleton. Does that spell trouble for the royal couple?
That and more starting right now.
ROBIN QUIVERS, HLN GUEST: Hello, everyone. I`m Robin Quivers sitting in for Joy Behar tonight.
Chris Brown`s performance on "Dancing with the Stars" caused quite a bit of controversy this week, coming so soon after his latest angry tirade at ABC`s "Good Morning America".
One of the show`s professional dancers was outspoken about Brown`s appearance. Cheryl Burke suffered through a couple abusive relationships as she was growing up, and she details those abuses in her book "Dancing Lessons". She joins us now.
Welcome Cheryl.
CHERYL BURKE, DANCER, "DANCING WITH THE STARS": Thank you. Thanks for having me.
QUIVERS: Thank you for being here.
So, you were not happy when you heard about the booking of Chris Brown?
BURKE: Just for me, looking at the experience that he went through, it really reminds me of my abuse and the relationships that I had especially in high school, and I`m very sensitive toward that. I write about it in my book.
And I just feel like it`s something that women can really relate to my experiences, and I just feel like, you know, people shouldn`t ignore what happened.
QUIVERS: Right. So can you tell me a little bit about what happened to you in those relationships?
BURKE: Well, you know, I just went through two relationships that were verbally and physically abusive. It was something that -- you know, it was hard for me to control.
I come from a divorced family. I got sexually abused as a kid. And I feel like that led me into abusive relationships, not really knowing my worth and my value to myself. And it was just a hard time in my life.
QUIVERS: You were pretty young? These were --
BURKE: I was very young, I was in high school.
QUIVERS: You hear about that more and more, that high school girls are in these relationships with boys who are domineering and abusive. How far did it go with you?
BURKE: I mean it went pretty far. It was throughout my whole high school career. And it got dangerously abusive, where I felt my life was going to be at risk if I didn`t move on from it.
QUIVERS: And so when you saw those pictures that were released of Rihanna after her night with Chris Brown, that probably hit you in a place that didn`t hit everyone?
BURKE: Yes, it definitely hit me in a sensitive place. I mean seeing those pictures, I can definitely relate to that, and to that pain that she probably experienced. But that I experienced.
It`s not a great feeling, and it`s not something that people should take lightly.
QUIVERS: Well, you know, it`s interesting, at the time it was all going on, I heard stories that they were trying to reconcile and I was like, oh, no. That`s the worst thing that can possibly happen. And eventually they did break up and she pressed charges and there was a restraining order.
But just recently she agreed to have the restraining order lifted because she said that it was a personal thing and she didn`t want to continue to have an impact on his professional career.
BURKE: I can understand that. In my case, I can only bring it back to myself. You know -- I went back -- it was really hard for me to get out of my relationship. I felt like I was nobody without that person in my life; that person made me feel like that. I was completely out of control.
And you know, I can see why people do end up going back to their abusive relationship, when obviously the best thing to do is to get out of it, and talk openly about it.
QUIVERS: Well, now that he has -- he did whatever the courts told him to do, and he`s served his time so to speak. We`re all wondering, how do we deal with this guy? He`s still around. He still has a music career. He`s still doing interviews. He`s going on "Dancing with the Stars".
How long is he supposed to have to answer questions about what happened two years ago? And how are we supposed to deal with him?
BURKE: I think it`s something that is always going to be in his life. And the same thing when I wrote this book, everyone`s going to always ask me about my experience.
It just happens to be that, you know, he`s in the spotlight, he`s a very talented musician, and, you know, yes, he has his career. But this is something that people are always going to wonder and question. And I think you have to be able to know how to answer the question if it`s being asked.
QUIVERS: What did you think of the antics, you know, at "Good Morning America" where he broke up the dressing room and threw a chair?
BURKE: I mean I wasn`t there, personally, but just being asked the question, I think this -- being prepared to obviously answer it, should have been I think a little bit better.
QUIVERS: He seemed to think that people are robots and they`re only supposed to stick to the talking points that the press release says they`re going to talk about, his album, where the songs came from and all of that. He was just not prepared, and life throws you curves.
BURKE: Right. It definitely does, you need to be ready for that, for sure.
QUIVERS: Now that you have moved on in your life, are you having better times in relationships? Or do you find that this still follows you?
BURKE: No, I definitely am, and I`m seeking therapy, and I will probably for the rest of my life. It`s really helped me get out of that pattern of dating abusive men. And really, I`ve been single for the last year and a half, which has really helped me find out who I am. And I have more respect for myself.
QUIVERS: So what do you tell young women now when they ask you about this?
BURKE: Well, I tell young women that if they`re going through similar situation the first thing to do is to talk openly about it and that you`re not alone. I think a lot of people -- you`d be surprised to see a lot of people go through abusive relationships and they don`t know how to get out of them. I think being able to talk about it to a family member or friend will really help you step out of that, and really see what you really truly deserve.
QUIVERS: So the silence, you should avoid -- secrets.
BURKE: Avoid the silence. If you`re the friend of the victim, I think you should call the police, because it can be really dangerous.
QUIVERS: Ok.
BURKE: And life threatening.
QUIVERS: I`m glad you`re here.
BURKE: Thank you.
QUIVERS: I want you to stay right there, because in a moment, your dancing partner Chris Jericho will join us after we take this quick break.
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QUIVERS: That was Cheryl Burke on the new season of ABC`s "Dancing with the Stars" along with her dance partner, Chris Jericho. Chris is also a professional wrestler and the author of "Undisputed". Welcome Chris.
CHRIS JERICHO, CONTESTANT, "DANCING WITH THE STARS": Yes.
QUIVERS: So it looks like you`ve got some pretty good moves. Have you taken dancing lessons before?
JERICHO: I`ve taken dancing lessons from Cheryl Burke. And that`s all that you need at this point in time. Because I came into this contest with no moves whatsoever but she`s a great teacher.
CHERYL BURKE, CONTESTANT, "DANCING WITH THE STARS": It`s not. Believe me.
QUIVERS: Really?
BURKE: Oh, my gosh.
QUIVERS: Boy, you`re a great teacher.
JERICHO: She`s a great teacher.
BURKE: He`s a great student, though, he`s a great student.
JERICHO: She`s -- she`s a dancing Jedi, she`s a dancing Yoda, I like to call her.
QUIVERS: That is amazing and you guys have to be really excited, because now even the President is changing the time of his speech so that he doesn`t compete with you.
BURKE: I think he just wanted to watch our show, actually.
JERICHO: He`s a fan.
BURKE: I hope he`s a fan.
JERICHO: He was looking forward to see Jericho do the quick step, I think.
QUIVERS: Oh my goodness. So now you guys are sort of placed fourth in the competition right now?
JERICHO: Yes, we tied for first on the second week. It`s fourth overall. So it`s a good place to be, kind of start out in the middle -- the high part in the middle of pack and then move on from there.
QUIVERS: You need some place to go?
JERICHO: Yes.
QUIVERS: You`re feeling good about this position?
JERICHO: Yes it`s good I mean, I`ve made a career off of low expectations. So I`m actually pretty happy because people are like, wow. I can`t believe how light on your feet you were.
But to be a good wrestler, you have to be light on your feet. So there`s a lot of things that I could use from wrestling in "Dancing with the Stars" that you wouldn`t think right off the bat.
QUIVERS: So how do you select? How do the partners, how do you get paired up?
BURKE: Good question, I mean --
QUIVERS: Yes.
JERICHO: Yes.
BURKE: -- this is my 11th lucky partner.
JERICHO: Lucky 11.
BURKE: Lucky 11.
And you know, the producers pair us, and they`ve done a great job, you know, I think the cast is great. The pairings have always been dynamic, and I think we make -- we make a good couple.
JERICHO: It`s almost like espionage for the stars when you first --
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QUIVERS: Is that right?
JERICHO: -- because they don`t tell you who your partner is. They don`t tell you who else is on the cast, nothing.
QUIVERS: Really?
JERICHO: So the first time I ever met Cheryl was the first time -- you know, it was the really the first time we ever met was on camera --
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BURKE: Yes.
JERICHO: -- when I found out she was my partner. And I squealed -- I squealed like a 13-year-old girl at a Justin Bieber concert. Cheryl.
QUIVERS: You must have gone back and looked at all the dancers, did you have any picks or -- or you know, I want this one, I don`t want that one?
JERICHO: Honestly, I swear to God, I actually was hoping to get Cheryl. Because she was the one that I knew the most from the shows that I`d seen, she has a great reputation and I knew that she had always worked with the athletes.
QUIVERS: Yes.
JERICHO: Well, where was everybody, so when I did walk in and then saw her there, oh first of all, I`m so glad, because I -- she`s the best, and also I know who she is.
QUIVERS: Right.
JERICHO: So that`s good.
QUIVERS: Well, she`s been in the finals three times and she`s won the Mirror Ball trophy twice.
JERICHO: Right. Yes.
QUIVERS: So do you feel any pressure? Because if you guys don`t win, it won`t be her.
JERICHO: Oh, yes. Yes.
BURKE: Well, that takes the pressure off of me.
JERICHO: And -- and -- and if we do win, it will be because of her.
BURKE: Either way.
QUIVERS: You can`t win --
JERICHO: I can`t win, I can`t win.
BURKE: Either way I win, so it`s ok.
JERICHO: Yes, I`ll -- I`ll ride on her dancing coat tails if I have to.
QUIVERS: Is that any pressure for you, though?
JERICHO: You know there`s pressure on myself, because when you first get asked to do this show. It seems like, are you kidding me? "Dancing with the Stars"? I mean can you think of anything more terrifying, especially when you`ve never done it before.
But then, once you get into it and start feeling the vibe of it, it`s really addicting. And now it`s like there`s pressure on myself to do better each and every week. I don`t want to let her down. She`s -- as long as she`s happy with it, I`m happy with it. I don`t care what anyone else does. So there is a lot of pressure but on yourself.
QUIVERS: Right.
JERICHO: But once you get that first week under your belt then it`s like, ok, I get it. Now we understand.
BURKE: And he`s such a performer.
QUIVERS: Yes.
BURKE: You know, he`s such a great performer. So when it comes to that, I don`t worry.
QUIVERS: He gets the crowd right up there --
BURKE: Yes, he`s a ham.
JERICHO: Yes he`s a ham. But -- but I hammed it up in front of 70,000 people wrestling, but never dancing. This is the first time ever dancing. So like I said, once that first week was done, it was just like a big relief. And the dance, you know, the judges didn`t call me the worst abomination ever, they are actually quite positive.
BURKE: No.
JERICHO: So yes, you know, it gives you a little bit of confidence and here we go. Now the contest has started, baby.
QUIVERS: Well now, do you guys after you dance -- well, before you dance of course you`re watching everybody. But after you dance, you still stay there you watch all the other contestants?
JERICHO: Yes.
BURKE: Yes we all root each other on.
JERICHO: We do I mean --
QUIVERS: Are you kidding me, you don`t have any secret longing for somebody to trip or --
BURKE: I mean --
QUIVERS: Break a leg?
JERICHO: Yes, just we go dancing and before we go on, I say break a leg and she`s like are you supposed to say that? You know, in show business that`s the term.
BURKE: You say good luck. You say good luck. I never say break a leg. It may happen.
QUIVERS: You`re a dancer.
BURKE: Yes, not to a dancer, we need our legs.
JERICHO: Obviously, we all have respect for each other for doing this, like you say, because you`ve got a lot of guts to do this show in the first place. And after the first couple weeks have gone by, you start looking, and say ok, that guy is good, she`s good, she got better. So like, you know, there is deep down inside a little bit of like there`s some battle lines drawn.
But honestly, we really feel proud of everybody. Even the first guy who got kicked off this week, Mike Catherwood, a DJ from L.A., --
BURKE: Right.
JERICHO: -- I was so proud of him, because he did better the second week than he did in the first. That`s all you can ask.
QUIVERS: But he was no competition.
JERICHO: Well, you know, he was funny. He was funny. He was competition in the humor department.
QUIVERS: In humor department.
BURKE: He was yes. He was quick. Yes.
QUIVERS: So we have some surprises this season. You know, people have been surprised by Kirstie Alley --
BURKE: Kirstie Alley.
JERICHO: Yes.
QUIVERS: -- and Ralph Macchio and how well they danced.
JERICHO: Yes.
QUIVERS: And Kirstie`s been taking a lot of heat, and she`s even been making her own jokes about her size.
But George Lopez, you know he went, I guess a little far when he started --
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BURKE: I heard about that. But Kirstie`s -- I mean, she`s doing such an amazing job, and she`s got the right attitude, you know. We`ve become great friends with her.
JERICHO: Yes, both of us.
BURKE: She`s you know -- I can`t believe how great of a dancer she is.
JERICHO: Well, I mean, she`s got -- she got moves.
BURKE: Yes the girl can work it.
JERICHO: And I think and the thing with George is -- George is a comedian, he`s going to go for the joke.
QUIVERS: Right.
JERICHO: But then, sometimes I think you realize maybe I took it too far. And Kirstie`s the type she`ll fight back. She`s not going to -- she`s no shrinking violet, that`s for sure.
QUIVERS: Yes. But don`t you think the women on the show, the dancers as well as the female contestants, they`re always scrutinized a lot more than the guys. Don`t you think?
BURKE: Oh absolutely. I mean, I was for my weight a couple years ago.
JERICHO: Your weight? She`s like a twig right.
BURKE: Right.
JERICHO: Yes.
BURKE: No but you know what, it`s hard. Because first of all, we wear nothing on that show.
QUIVERS: Yes.
BURKE: I mean little -- you know, oh, no, she`s gained a couple pounds, it`s like, people are calling me fat. And it`s like you can never please everybody, you just have to ignore what everyone`s saying about you, and just focus on your career and your job.
JERICHO: It`s even the same for the guys, though. I was going to have a cookie the other day in catering, and I`m like, I don`t know, this might go straight to my butt.
QUIVERS: Yes, well, you still have to wear tights after this is all over.
BURKE: Yes.
QUIVERS: So you do have to worry.
BURKE: Yes, you don`t have wear midriffs.
QUIVERS: But you know what; chemistry --
JERICHO: But I want to.
QUIVERS: -- chemistry is a big deal right, when you`re dancing. And sometimes when you have that kind of chemistry, things go on. So how are you two doing?
BURKE: Well, he`s a married man.
JERICHO: Yes.
BURKE: I love his family and his wife and his daughters. They`re so cute.
JERICHO: Yes, that`s the most important thing is make -- you know make your family comfortable.
BURKE: Right.
JERICHO: But we actually have a great chemistry.
BURKE: Yes.
JERICHO: And I wouldn`t want it any other way. We`re constantly on each other`s case, we`re making jokes with each other.
BURKE: We`re like brother and sister.
QUIVERS: Do you have fun?
JERICHO: Yes, yes, we have a great time hanging out, but we also have a great time leaving at the end of the day and seeing each other next day - -
QUIVERS: How long do you practice?
BURKE: Right now, it`s about four to five hours every day. But that`s just because we only have one dance. When we get up to two dances it doubles.
JERICHO: Yes.
QUIVERS: Really.
JERICHO: And we found too it`s not the time, it`s not like yes, I`m going to do 12 hours, 12 hours. It`s the quality. And sometimes we rehearse for an hour and go you know that`s good, I think we got it. And you know, it all depends; there are times we got to take you know, one step can take you an hour.
BURKE: Yes.
JERICHO: Two hours, two hours, four hours, days to learn. And that becomes like the sticking point. Every week there`s something for me that`s just like a sticking point. I can`t get it. So you just got to work it out. But -- but you really -- you really have to just concentrate, because there`s not a lot of time.
QUIVERS: And what`s your favorite dance?
BURKE: Right now, the quick step.
JERICHO: Quick step.
BURKE: Because that`s the highest score.
JERICHO: That`s the highest score in on the quick step that`s for now Robin.
QUIVERS: Oh that`s great.
More on the way; sit tight.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up next on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW "Teen Mom 2" star, Janelle Evans is caught on tape brawling with another girl. But was it just a big scheme to make money off the video?
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QUIVERS: I`m back with Chris Jericho and Cheryl Burke, two of the stars of the new season of "Dancing with the Stars".
That was the kiss.
BURKE: That was the kiss.
QUIVERS: Everyone wants to know, was there tongue? You were there.
BURKE: You know what?
JERICHO: How can you tell, though? I mean I don`t know.
BURKE: I wouldn`t doubt it.
JERICHO: Kirstie is probably tried to give the tongue in there somehow.
BURKE: For sure.
QUIVERS: Well, we were talking about chemistry, have you seen anything going on in this season, or who do you think?
JERICHO: Well, I mean it`s one of the season when you`re spending all hours of the day together, traveling around, you`re grinding against each other with hardly any clothes on. So I think there`s some single people that are on the show together that -- I`m sure the sparks are flying. Why not?
BURKE: Yes. Why not?
JERICHO: Why not? Go for it.
QUIVERS: And, you know, everybody handsome and talented --
JERICHO: Yes, there`s hot girls and you know --
QUIVERS: -- and muscular.
BURKE: You know, I always say -- it`s always called a showmance. Like it only lasts until the show is over, and then who knows. We`ll see.
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QUIVERS: Well, we know. We watched Cheryl get some nice presents.
BURKE: That was just presents.
JERICHO: Yes, no kidding.
QUIVERS: In the Ochocinco season. I don`t know.
BURKE: That was a little much.
JERICHO: It put the pressure on me. I got a Subway sandwich every day. That was good.
BURKE: That was good.
JERICHO: It was good. It was a double too, so it helped.
QUIVERS: What are the wrestling fans saying about you being on "Dancing with the Stars"?
JERICHO: I think at first they were a little take aback. Now that I`ve kind of been on for a couple of weeks, they`re starting to get behind it. Wow, Jericho is actually doing really good.
And the thing that`s really cool for me to do this is this is the first time a WWE superstar has been on "Dancing with the Stars". So I`m kind of a pioneer. And if I heard one more time that football players always do good then that`s when I`m going to shoot myself.
Yes, some football players are going to do great, but wrestlers are different from any other form of entertainment. We`re athletes, plus we`re show men. And that`s one of the things that I brought to the table. It`s the showmanship, working in front of a live crowd. There`s a lot of balance and weight distribution in wrestling, lightness on your feet. So there are some similarities.
QUIVERS: It is choreographed in a way.
JERICHO: Choreographed, of course. You`re learning your routine the same way you learn a wrestling match. So I think after this season if I continue to improve, you`ll see other WWE guys come on the show and be welcomed to be there.
QUIVERS: Ok. Well, now, tell me who your competition is. Who is the person that has you most frightened?
JERICHO: Like you said, to me right now because it`s so early on in the game, it`s just my own performance is my biggest competition.
QUIVERS: Give me a break, I want names. Tell me who you look at and you go, oh, he did well this week.
JERICHO: Well, ok, you said Ralph did great, Kirstie did great, Hines Ward did great, Chelsea Cain did great, Romeo did great. And that`s not being wishy-washy, look at the scores.
QUIVERS: It is.
JERICHO: The first Ralph --
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QUIVERS: Where`s that wrestling -- I`m going to take you down.
JERICHO: I`ll take them all down. But first I have to work on my own gig first. Right.
BURKE: Exactly.
JERICHO: This week there was a three-way tie for first place, I mean come on. So it`s wait and see, when week three, four, five go. Then you`ll kind of see the pretenders from the contenders.
How was that? That was good.
BURKE: That`s a mouthful.
JERICHO: Pretenders from contenders, that could be a slogan on a T- shirt.
QUIVERS: Well, you guys look great. It`s been fun having you here.
BURKE: Thank you.
QUIVERS: Thank you for coming.
JERICHO: Yes.
QUIVERS: You can see Cheryl and Chris on "Dancing with the Stars".
JERICHO: Team Che-richo.
QUIVERS: Monday nights at 8:00 p.m. and Tuesdays at 9:00 p.m. on ABC.
We will be back in a minute.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up next on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW "Teen Mom 2" Janelle Evans is caught on tape brawling with another girl. But was it just a big scheme to make money off the video?
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QUIVERS: Welcome back. I`m Robin Quivers sitting in for Joy Behar.
A star of MTV`s hit show, "Teen Mom," Janelle Evans was caught on tape brutally beating up another girl. Let`s watch the video.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Give it up. You`re done.
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QUIVERS: Now, we hear new allegations that someone at the fight, possibly even Janelle, made big money selling this video. What kind of message is this sending? Here to discuss it are Robi Ludwig, psychotherapist and contributor to care.com, and Noah Levy, senior editor of "In Touch Weekly."
OK, Noah, is it possible this video was sold for money, and that Janelle got it -- it was all a setup just to get some money and name recognition?
NOAH LEVY, IN TOUCH WEEKLY: I really think that anything is possible in this scenario. Obviously if she did get paid, I think we can bet money that she`s not using for the child`s college fund. You know, let`s just say that.
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QUIVERS: I don`t think the child is going to college.
LEVY: No. Maybe she just went to the liquor store, bought some new jeans. I`m not quite sure what she would have even done with the money. But it really looks like these girls are out for fame, and they`re out for fame by getting it for doing tons of negative things.
QUIVERS: Right. So now we have another situation, there`s also an allegation that the girl who first pushed Janelle into fighting with the other girl might have sold it and made $45,000. So -- I mean, but who`s paying that kind of money for these tapes?
LEVY: I think people that are desperate to get a little bit of the story. I mean, everyone -- you have to understand, this is part of our popular culture, that everyone wants to know about now. These girls are basically the new Gwyneth Paltrow. I hate to say it, but I just did. This is what everyone is talking about. People are not as fascinated with movie stars as they used to be. Right now it`s about reality show stars, but it`s about teen mom reality show stars. That`s the difference now.
QUIVERS: Why is "Teen Mom" so popular, Robi?
ROBI LUDWIG, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: I think in part, the audience really identifies with the people on "Teen Mom." And what we know about reality television is the audience likes the idea of fame and prestige. And especially the audience of teen moms, because they think that perhaps they can be like these people on the show and get quick fame, which is what they really want.
QUIVERS: So, in other words, these are role models? They might not be positive role models, but they`re role models?
LUDWIG: They are. It`s I can do outrageous things, and I can be negative, and this is the way that I can get my own TV show, I can get written about, I can get famous and earn money. And so, you can`t really blame these teens for looking at this show and saying, oh, this is my road to fame and fortune. They`re just like me.
QUIVERS: I know that on Youtube, girl fights have become a sensation. On the "Jersey Shore," we have these fights happening all the time. And I guess what we`re saying is, be as outrageous as you possibly can be, and then you can become famous and rich?
LUDWIG: It`s being reinforced and it`s also changing the landscape of what our teenagers are looking at. They`ve almost become desensitized to the violence and just see it as a way to get attention.
LEVY: You know, I really think, if you`re in high school, junior high, elementary school, there`s a fight on the school yard, everyone is going to run for it, see it. Now, the difference is, that we have Youtube, we have everyone taking cell phone pictures, sending it everywhere. We have websites that are going to show it immediately. We`re getting instant gratification for all the negative things we wanted to see.
LUDWIG: But we`re sending a message out there, and it`s being rewarded. If it were not rewarded, if people were kicked off shows the moment they were arrested --
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QUIVERS: -- fights from "Jersey Shore" right now.
LEVY: Right.
QUIVERS: And we`re also seeing now that big stars, Charlie Sheen is being rewarded for bad behavior. It`s become just the norm at this point.
LUDWIG: Well, we`ve never watched actors because of they behaved well. It`s are they talented? And Charlie Sheen is very talented. And if we were going to choose to see various actors based on how they act in their personal lives, we wouldn`t see a lot of people, you know, we wouldn`t pay to see a lot of people, because that`s not what we`re watching them for.
QUIVERS: But you know, there have been rumors that CBS is talking to Charlie Sheen about bringing him back now. So it hasn`t had the adverse effect you would expect.
LEVY: Exactly. You know, Charlie Sheen is getting a whole lot of attention, and also he`s getting a whole lot of money for all the people that are working with him. If that`s true or not true, anyone is going to hire him within a second. You know, people love the negative attention. It used to be that having a breakdown as a celebrity like Whitney Houston or Britney Spears was a right of passage. Now this is a way to sell albums, it`s a way to sell movies, it`s a way to get a new TV show.
LUDWIG: It depends who you are, though. Because there are some people -- like wasn`t there a star from "Seinfeld," his star was fading?
QUIVERS: Yes.
LEVY: Michael Richards.
QUIVERS: Michael Richards.
LUDWIG: And he said some racially, you know, unpopular things, and basically, that was the end of him. You didn`t really hear about him. So I think it depends on the star, how popular, how well they`re doing already.
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QUIVERS: Mel Gibson is not experiencing renewed popularity from his antics that were on tape.
LEVY: True. But let me just say, if you`re young and you`re hot, and you screw up publicly, you`re going to make a lot of money. That`s what it is.
QUIVERS: Well, you know what, I think the sad thing about this is, they think everyone can do it. If you`re watching a young girl like Janelle, and you say, well, I`ll do it too, there aren`t that many TV shows, not everybody`s going to wind up being Janelle. They`ll just have a baby, and they won`t have any income and they won`t have any fame.
LUDWIG: And that`s what they don`t understand. But that`s also teenagers, right? That`s what we know about teenagers. They are impulsive, they don`t make good decisions for themselves, and that`s the danger in these TV shows. Let`s at least balance it out and have some people who are behaving as role models for teens to follow.
LEVY: You`re completely right, you really are. Unfortunately, it`s just not --
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LEVY: It sounds like a snooze trap to me.
(CROSSTALK)
LEVY: A little boring. Anyway--
QUIVERS: Well, what is the outcome for -- I heard everybody got arrested who was involved in this fight.
LEVY: The girls, Janelle and the other girl Brittany (ph) were arrested. They were released, they`re still fighting. Some people are saying that the fight of course, was over a guy. It seems more often than not it is going to be with teenage girls. It doesn`t seem like it`s going to be the last we`ve heard of Janelle. She`s going to be around forever.
QUIVERS: Yes, because everybody`s wondering, so does this mean she`s more valuable to MTV?
LEVY: Yes. Of course.
LUDWIG: We`re talking, it`s advertisement.
LEVY: Of course. Now, let`s just say they`re not considering to bring her back. That would be a strange decision not to bring her back, but if they don`t bring her back, she`s going to get picked up by someone else. And you know, cut to the next couple of years, when she has a little less controversy, she could be endorsing a product because people are talking about her, and people are going to buy what she`s wearing.
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QUIVERS: Oh, my goodness. I just don`t understand what`s going on.
LUDWIG: Well, we like extremes, right? We like looking at extremes. We like looking at stories where we don`t know what the outcome will be. And so that keeps us interested, right? It`s a story that we don`t know how it`s going to end, and we like to play the odds. And that keeps our curiosity going. And that`s the whole pull and power of reality TV.
QUIVERS: Give me a soap opera where there`s guidelines. I don`t want to see these people wreck their lives on TV.
LUDWIG: But you`re not being targeted.
QUIVERS: I understand.
LUDWIG: Right.
QUIVERS: But eventually we`ll all see that these stories have bad endings.
LEVY: It`s unfortunate, and you know what, that`s why people like to watch. They want to know what`s going to happen. But also on a positive note, people love a comeback. And if you`re a Charlie Sheen and you`re screwing up, next year if he`s completely clean and he is sober, he is doing well, people will love that story also. So there`s a positive.
LUDWIG: Absolutely.
QUIVERS: All right, well, let`s wait for the comeback for Janelle. Thanks. We`ll be back in a minute.
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QUIVERS: Prince William, who`s set to marry Kate Middleton in less than a month, has decided to break with modern tradition and not wear a wedding band. With me now to discuss this and other stories in the news are comedian J.B. Smoove. Jay Thomas, actor and Sirius XM Radio host. And Lesley Zemeckis, writer, producer and director of "Behind the Burly Q."
So, Jay, isn`t it always suspicious when a man doesn`t want to wear a wedding band?
JAY THOMAS, ACTOR: I think he`s just like his mother.
QUIVERS: Which means?
THOMAS: She didn`t wear a seat belt, so --
QUIVERS: Oh, man.
THOMAS: You can have it after tonight if you want. You can -- because I can`t use it after this, OK?
Yeah, it`s suspicious. I think the whole marriage stinks. It`s too much -- it`s about the marriage, it`s about the woman, I don`t really -- he`s not even in the thing. It`s like the typical lost groom. Yeah, I don`t think they`ll make it. I really don`t.
QUIVERS: Yeah? That`s your prediction? Leslie.
LESLIE ZEMECKIS, PERFORMER: Why does he need a ring? I mean, obviously everybody`s going to know he`s married. She`s the only one that matters -- she should get the big nasty, and that`s all that matters.
QUIVERS: Well, that`s what I say. Who`s not going to know he`s married? He doesn`t need a wedding band to advertise his marriage.
ZEMECKIS: Yes, everybody`s going to know.
JB SMOOVE, COMEDIAN: He`s a prince. You are a prince, certain people don`t need to wear rings, first of all. Princes, kings, and pimps. Those three guys are like excluded from wearing rings. They don`t have to wear rings.
(CROSSTALK)
QUIVERS: They`re all on the same level.
SMOOVE: You`re running things, you don`t have to wear a ring.
THOMAS: But you know what, if you`re doing traditional stuff, like he`s going to be the king and she might be the queen, you`re doing all that traditional stuff, the ring -- since -- you know, for 1,000 years, especially in England has meant a bond, and they`ve used it as a signature and everything else. I don`t know why this guy isn`t wearing a ring. It`s really odd. His dad hides his.
QUIVERS: Actually, he`s going back to royal tradition. Charles wore a wedding band, but before that, apparently royals didn`t necessarily wear wedding rings.
ZEMECKIS: And (inaudible) nontraditional. Just the fact that her family`s paying for so much, and they as a couple are paying. I think they`re trying to be a little more modern.
(CROSSTALK)
THOMAS: And King Henry VIII had a lipstick ring around his penis.
QUIVERS: It was the rainbow. You know about that?
(CROSSTALK)
SMOOVE: First of all, everybody knows that Snoop Dogg is doing the wedding ring. You can`t wear a ring around Snoop Dogg. Are you kidding me?
QUIVERS: You`ve got to be cool.
SMOOVE: You`ve got to be cool around Snoop Dogg. You can`t have a ring on your finger.
(CROSSTALK)
QUIVERS: Well, I said don`t try to use this as your argument. Well, Prince William doesn`t wear a wedding ring, it`s not going to wash in your home.
THOMAS: That we`re talking about it is the saddest thing.
ZEMECKIS: I know, it is sad.
QUIVERS: Well, what would we be doing if we weren`t doing this?
(LAUGHTER)
THOMAS: My wife is getting her Princess Di plates out right now.
QUIVERS: Moving on, tennis pro David Ferrer lost his cool during a quarterfinal match at Miami and lobbed a ball toward a crying baby in the stands. Jay, come on, you can`t do this. Even though the ball didn`t come near the baby, what`s up with that? I mean, it`s inappropriate of course for the baby to be at the tennis match and crying, but?
THOMAS: Look at this idiot. Look at that. Well, good thing it wasn`t, you know, bowling. Look, people take children to inappropriate places all the time.
QUIVERS: Yes.
THOMAS: And I see them at the movies, at the theater, and I`ve complained. And they`ve said, well, you know, we have every right. If you can`t afford a baby-sitter and you can`t have people that will take care of your kids to go out, don`t have them.
QUIVERS: OK. What about babies on planes?
THOMAS: Don`t do that.
(CROSSTALK)
THOMAS: I remember driving with my kids to a restaurant, they`re screaming in the back, and I said to my wife, we are not going out to dinner. Not kidding you, ever again, until this little SOB straightens up. And we didn`t take him to dinner again for three years.
QUIVERS: When I was growing up, the car would just turn around and go home.
THOMAS: Absolutely.
QUIVERS: You didn`t subject other people to that.
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SMOOVE: The good thing about it is, the guy sent a warning shot out. You know what I mean? Looked like he just (inaudible) for the baby`s head. He said, you know what--
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THOMAS: If you`re yelling at a tennis tournament, they`ll come and get you and take you out.
QUIVERS: That`s right. You can`t make noise. They`re shushing people before they start play.
THOMAS: Why would you take a kid, a little baby?
ZEMECKIS: Not a kid, a baby.
THOMAS: To a tennis tournament?
QUIVERS: I see babies in horror films. You know, it`s just the most inappropriate places.
(CROSSTALK)
QUIVERS: Restaurants. You know, the baby is not going to enjoy being crammed into a chair and on the floor for two hours while you have dinner.
SMOOVE: That`s why you have got to give your baby a little shot of brandy in the bottle. Right? Give me a little and they`ll go to sleep. Not a lot, not a lot, people, just a little teenie bit.
QUIVERS: Do you have more parenting tips like that?
(CROSSTALK)
ZEMECKIS: -- can backfire, because it can make them hyper.
(CROSSTALK)
THOMAS: I would say to my wife, hey, it looks like he has got a little cold, we need to pour that Benadryl into him.
SMOOVE: Brandy is good for a cold too.
(CROSSTALK)
SMOOVE: Rub some brandy on a baby`s chest.
QUIVERS: We`re learning something here today. Brandy takes care of everything.
SMOOVE: That`s down South stuff there. That`s how we do it down South.
(CROSSTALK)
QUIVERS: Next up, you heard of Rebecca Black. She`s the 13-year-old girl who became a viral sensation with her song "Friday." Miley Cyrus is slamming the teen sensation, saying it should be harder to be an artist. You shouldn`t just be able to put a song on Youtube and go out on tour.
JB, what`s going on here?
SMOOVE: Of course, it`s harder. You gotta get people to log on. You know, there`s a lot of computers out there they`ve got to log on. Of course it`s harder, but don`t knock someone`s hustle, ever. Miley, don`t knock anyone`s hustle. OK?
(CROSSTALK)
QUIVERS: Shouldn`t it be harder than having your dad already in show business and being able to walk into the Disney studio?
SMOOVE: You know how easy it was for her? Are you kidding me?
ZEMECKIS: It should be harder for everybody, but that`s the world we live in.
(CROSSTALK)
ZEMECKIS: And it`s like too bad, yes.
(CROSSTALK)
THOMAS: Rebecca Black won`t make a penny. I read the other day that maybe she made 40 grand. They had--
QUIVERS: That`s a lot for -- how old is she, 13?
THOMAS: But 65 million hits, and maybe she made 40 grand off of iTunes. The song is terrible. You know -- we know it`s sad, I think probably her publicist said, Miley, you need to say something, you know.
(CROSSTALK)
QUIVERS: Do you think that was warranted?
THOMAS: What idiots.
ZEMECKIS: It`s ridiculous. There`s enough for everybody to have their success.
(CROSSTALK)
QUIVERS: Justin Bieber was made by Youtube. So it is a place for people to be discovered. He`s a very talented young man.
THOMAS: We`ve all been on Youtube and nothing`s happened.
ZEMECKIS: I got 8,000 hits. I`m trying. Like what happened?
(CROSSTALK)
QUIVERS: More pop culture when we come back.
ANNOUNCER: Next week on the "Joy Behar Show," it`s women`s week. Joy is back from vacation to talk with Kate Gosselin, Star Jones, Eva Longoria, Shery Shepherd and Caroline Kennedy.
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QUIVERS: I`m back with my panel. Believe it or not, Montana Republican Congressman Alan Hale is arguing against drunk driving laws, because he says they destroy small businesses, and a whole way of life in his state. Take a look.
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ALAN HALE (R), MONTANA STATE REP.: These DUI laws are not doing our small businesses in our state any good at all. They`re destroying them. These taverns and barns in these smaller communities connect people together. They`re the center of the communities. And I guarantee you there`s only two ways to get there -- either you hitchhike or you drive. And I promise you that they`re not going to hitchhike.
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QUIVERS: JB, is that an April Fool`s joke?
SMOOVE: That`s awesome (inaudible). The awesome part about it, he`s drunk right now! That`s the funny part. The guy is toasted. Look at him.
Come on, that is drunk. I know drunk when I see drunk. And that guy is toasted. Let me tell you something, the tie`s loose. He wiggles (ph) a little.
(CROSSTALK)
SMOOVE: And this right here, this hand right here (inaudible), that`s the drunk move right there. You`re trying to make a point, it`s not a point, you`re trying to make a point. That`s -- what -- drunks do that, they do that.
(CROSSTALK)
QUIVERS: Are you libertarian? I think you`re a libertarian, Jay.
THOMAS: No, I`m not really. I`m from Louisiana and we have plenty of laws, and we have 1,500 daiquiri shops across the state.
QUIVERS: Yeah, drive-through.
THOMAS: About five years ago, the state legislature said, wait a minute, you shouldn`t be drinking and driving. Then why do you have a drive-through at the thing? He`s an idiot, he`s been kicked in the head by a horse.
(CROSSTALK)
THOMAS: It`s like Deputy Dog dressed him.
SMOOVE: Exactly.
THOMAS: He`s an idiot. That`s all.
ZEMECKIS: Down at the local tavern, that`s how they got together.
(CROSSTALK)
THOMAS: He`s a tavern owner. You know that, right?
QUIVERS: Yes, that`s what I heard. And we`ve been hurting his business by keeping these people from driving.
THOMAS: I think the gas from the tap is hurting him. I mean, it`s so stupid. I mean, he must have been kicked in the head by his horse.
QUIVERS: Do you think there will be fallout from this?
THOMAS: I think they`ll sue him.
SMOOVE: Exactly.
(CROSSTALK)
QUIVERS: I did say somebody should follow him home, see how he`s getting there.
And finally classic 70s TV show "Wonder Woman" is getting a reboot on NBC starring Adrienne Palicki -- and here she is in all of her glory. Leslie, what do you make of that outfit?
ZEMECKIS: What`s with the leggings? I mean, the original one had little shorts. You want to be -- if you`re going to be a superhero, a sex pot, what`s covering up the legs for? She`s Wonder Woman, she`s an Amazon. Why is she--
(CROSSTALK)
ZEMECKIS: -- retro and PC, whatever they`re trying to do. No. She should be a hottie running down the street.
THOMAS: When you`re chasing somebody and you`ve got one of those outfits on that holds your breasts, it`s like running with a hat on. You`re afraid the hat -- isn`t she afraid one of her boobs will --
ZEMECKIS: You can keep them in. You can keep them in.
(CROSSTALK)
THOMAS: Would you ever hold them in like that?
(CROSSTALK)
ZEMECKIS: You don`t have to hold them.
(CROSSTALK)
QUIVERS: She`s Wonder Woman. These are not issues for her.
(CROSSTALK)
SMOOVE: And an invisible jet. Give the man something to look at. That`s what I`m saying. Pull the leggings off, put the bathing suit back on, put the little bathing suit back on.
(CROSSTALK)
SMOOVE: Give a man something to look at. Wow.
(CROSSTALK)
ZEMECKIS: There`s such structure in those costumes.
(CROSSTALK)
QUIVERS: Do you think she`s going to measure up to Linda Carter? Is this going to work?
THOMAS: Measure up to what? Linda Carter?
(CROSSTALK)
QUIVERS: She carried that show a couple of years.
THOMAS: The great actress Linda Carter?
QUIVERS: She was Wonder Woman. Look at the two of them there.
(CROSSTALK)
SMOOVE: You want to have the legs open (ph).
THOMAS: Linda Carter is a great bedding salesperson. Doesn`t she sell mattresses now?
QUIVERS: I think you blow them up or something, those mattresses.
THOMAS: Not much to live up to.
(CROSSTALK)
QUIVERS: Maybe the new Wonder Woman has that problem where her legs rub together, and that`s why she`s wearing the leggings. I don`t know.
Thanks everyone.
ZEMECKIS: She`s going to get a rash.
QUIVERS: If you`re in New York, catch J.B. Smoove at Caroline`s tonight through Sunday. And Leslie`s "Behind the Burly Q" debuts on Showtime tonight. And the DVD is out April 12th. Jay Thomas will be substituting for me tomorrow while I get some sleep, on Sirius. I`m Robin Quivers. Good night, everybody.
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