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Kate the Great; Woman Can`t Close Eyes After Surgery; Planet Plastic Surgery; Interview with Alec Baldwin; Interview with Sherri Shepherd
Aired April 05, 2011 - 22:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HLN HOST: Eight little children may call Kate Gosselin mommy but the grown-ups who run TLC call her money. In the season premiere of Kate plus 8, she took her brood on an Australian adventure. Watch this.
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KATE GOSSELIN, REALITY STAR: This was a life-changing event. These are memories my kids will never, ever, ever forget.
It`s so good to see you guys.
I think that it`s mind boggling to think that the nine Gosselins went to this country.
I caught your dinner.
And had a blast.
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BEHAR: With me now is the ever present on TLC, Miss Kate Gosselin. Hello, Kate.
GOSSELIN: Hi.
BEHAR: I`m going to call you Katie. Isn`t that what your mom called you, Katie?
GOSSELIN: Yes, I haven`t heard that in a long time.
BEHAR: Katie. So, you took your brood to Australia on a 21-hour flight.
GOSSELIN: I did.
BEHAR: How was that? Tell me you had nannies that went with you? If I were on that plane, I`d kill myself.
GOSSELIN: I did. I had to two baby sitters with me and honestly, this is no lie, it was one of the best flights ever.
BEHAR: For who?
GOSSELIN: All of us. The kids got on the plane and fell asleep. I dreaded it. I dreaded the flight. I wondered --
BEHAR: Drugs? You gave them some drugs?
GOSSELIN: No, they were very tired and it was past their bed time until we got on the second plane, obviously.
BEHAR: Why? You have to go to Tahiti or something?
GOSSELIN: No, we had to fly Pennsylvania to L.A. and then we waited a few hours, ate dinner, I made them run around and we had a good time. And then they were saying, can we please get on the plane, we`re so tired and a lot of them were asleep before we even took off. I know. It`s shocking.
BEHAR: That`s really nice.
GOSSELIN: Alexis was sitting next to me and she said, at some point, Mommy, how many more hours do we have on this airplane? And I was like thinking, how do I break it to her, there`s four, plus hours, five maybe. And I said, like four, five, and she said, good, because I love this airplane.
BEHAR: That`s great. It`s like Cesar Milan, the dog whisperer says, you have to exercise the dogs and then they are tired. It`s the same thing.
GOSSELIN: Same thing. Yes. I had no idea. I should watch him.
BEHAR: You know, the paparazzi are always following you around in New York. Did they follow you around there? Did they know who you were there?
GOSSELIN: Yes, they did. They were there the minute we hit Sidney, landed, yes unfortunately.
BEHAR: So did they annoy you, the paparazzi?
GOSSELIN: Yes, they always annoy me and the kids. The kids love our camera crew. They love our show. They love going into adventures. The paparazzi are so annoying.
BEHAR: Why? What`s annoying about them besides --
GOSSELIN: They follow us. And well, there`s one actual part in -- that you will see where the paparazzi is there and they were like jockeying for their shot amongst our camera crew. And they started swearing in front of my kids and that is just unacceptable.
BEHAR: Well, you don`t want anybody to swear in front of the kids.
GOSSELIN: No.
BEHAR: Well, they have to learn to swear some time.
GOSSELIN: No. Un-agreed.
BEHAR: No. Not good.
GOSSELIN: Yes. I think the word is disagree, that`s the word. You know what I meant.
BEHAR: Yes. I know. That`s right. You don`t want your kids to swear so young. You wait until they are a little older. That`s how I see it.
GOSSELIN: Joy.
BEHAR: It`s not such a bad thing to swear, Kate.
GOSSELIN: Ok.
BEHAR: Big deal. If it`s the worst thing they ever do; it`s just words.
GOSSELIN: Words, you say and you can`t get back.
BEHAR: That`s true. But mean words, like you`re stupid, you don`t want that.
GOSSELIN: No.
BEHAR: But what the -- is ok. All right, now a few months ago your 6- year-olds, Colin and Alexis were kicked out of school for fighting. Who were they fighting with, first of all?
GOSSELIN: They weren`t kicked out of school. They had medical issues that I`m not free to discuss but they had real issues that we needed to handle and they are doing great and they are reading and writing at a top level. And they are going to be integrated before the end of the school year back into school and they are doing wonderful. So --
BEHAR: Do you have home schooling?
GOSSELIN: I do. I have a teacher that is schooling them at home currently.
BEHAR: So it`s a medical issue? They weren`t acting out?
GOSSELIN: They were. There was -- obviously they were having adjustment difficulties. At that point when I pulled them, we didn`t know what the issues were. I mean a lot of parents face things that you go, oh my gosh, this was working and now it`s not. So we had to figure out what the problem was and they are doing great.
BEHAR: Do you think that all of this TV thing is hurting them in any way?
GOSSELIN: No, it has nothing --
BEHAR: You don`t think so?
GOSSELIN: I have six other kids who are excelling in schools and doing wonderfully and they are excelling at home. Sometimes one school or one situation doesn`t work across the whole family. And so when that happens, you have to figure out what the problem is and take care of it.
It did take me the better part of the school year and I`m glad to say that I`m now free to relax and know that everyone is doing well. That`s good.
BEHAR: You have to admit though, that the whole thing with John and the whole TV exposure, that must have had some kind of effect on the kids. They are not robots, after all.
GOSSELIN: Everything in life affects us. And I know that kids who go through a divorce are affected whether they are on TV or not. That was the main issue and it`s not fun. It wasn`t my goal for my kids. It wasn`t what I hoped for them. But you know, we`re dealing with what life sends our way and everything you can learn something from.
BEHAR: I`m one of those people who is on your side in terms of, that you`re a single parent. You don`t have really any other source of income to take care of all of these kids. So this is what you have to do. I mean I`ll go along with that on that one for you for sure.
GOSSELIN: It is.
BEHAR: Although a lot of people criticize you like you just went on to Twitter and they are turning on you already. What is it about you that provokes this type of negative attack? What is it?
GOSSELIN: I don`t know. I`m still trying to figure that out. I know that there`s a lot of single moms out there. I have more than the average number of kids and this is something that Jon and I started together. It was working then. It`s still working for me and the kids now. And we`re all happy doing it.
I`m working. They are running in and out of the frame and if they want to run off and not do what we`re doing, they don`t. If they don`t want to go along, they don`t.
BEHAR: How is your relationship with Jon these days?
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BEHAR: -- at all, because I would?
GOSSELIN: No. I honestly, I don`t because I need to put my energy towards raising my kids. There`s not enough of me to go around even if I was married and had a happy marriage.
So he -- I respond positively to him and we deal with each other where the kids are concerned and I keep my words positive. I mean, I mean that. I don`t just say that. I need to look at what is best for the kids, what is best for the kids. That`s what I say to myself constantly.
BEHAR: He went kind of wild after the split. We kind of all know that and now he`s dating a 24-year-old girl. We have her name even which I won`t even say. It`s none of my business.
But how tough was that for you? How tough is that to see? Because when you get a divorce and your husband goes off with another woman, even though you don`t want him, you don`t want anybody else to have him. Do you have that at all, that feeling?
GOSSELIN: Not at all. I`ve moved on. It`s not any of my business. It doesn`t affect me at all.
BEHAR: Good for you. How about you? Are you dating?
GOSSELIN: No.
BEHAR: No?
GOSSELIN: It`s just me, myself, and I.
BEHAR: And your brood.
GOSSELIN: Yes.
BEHAR: But do you -- would you like to date, I`m hoping it`s somebody with a vasectomy, I`m just saying.
GOSSELIN: Oh, my gosh.
BEHAR: You have enough kids, don`t you think?
GOSSELIN: I have -- yes, plenty. I mean I would date if the right guy came along and he could, you know, withstand all that we`re going to throw his way, absolutely.
BEHAR: I know. It`s not easy to find a guy to just say, I want these eight children in my life.
GOSSELIN: Although my kids are loveable and wonderful and they would welcome the right person lovingly and willingly, yes, you`re probably right. Eight kids is pretty scary.
BEHAR: It`s tough. But you know, you could find somebody out there who is interested. Can I just suggest that the next husband have a lot of money?
GOSSELIN: Sure, I`ll take suggestions.
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GOSSELIN: It`s probably not a bad idea.
BEHAR: You need money to raise these kids. The college educations alone are going to be enormous.
GOSSELIN: I know.
BEHAR: You and your kids famously joined Sarah Palin for a camping trip on her "Sarah Palin`s Alaska". We happen to have a clip of this incredibly interesting moment.
GOSSELIN: Oh, good.
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GOSSELIN: I don`t see a table. I don`t see utensils. I don`t see hand cleansing materials.
This is not ideal conditions. I am freezing to the bone; I have 19 layers on. My hands are frigid.
I held it together as long as I could and I am done now. I`m hungry.
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BEHAR: No utensils? Sarah Palin can`t afford a fork and a knife?
GOSSELIN: All I can say about that is I`m really glad I have a house with a roof and heat and air conditioning.
BEHAR: The outdoors life is not for you?
GOSSELIN: Not so much. No.
BEHAR: I understand that. So did you have -- are you friends with her now? Any plans to go moose hunting or anything with her?
GOSSELIN: I figure we should probably try to camp in 12 feet of snow next time because you should always up the ante a little.
BEHAR: You won`t do it.
GOSSELIN: No, really.
BEHAR: Did your kids get along with her kids?
GOSSELIN: Yes, actually.
BEHAR: They did.
GOSSELIN: And her girls are great. I mean I would take Willow home with me. She knows it.
BEHAR: Yes. She`s a great kid. Bristol gets a little flack. She was on "Dancing with the Stars" like you right? Bristol. Is she a nice girl, Bristol?
GOSSELIN: She is. She is -- I`m surprised she made it so far, she`s just very quiet and laid back. I mean more power to her. She did great. She stuck with it, you know.
BEHAR: She needs to make money also. There is money to be made on television, as we know.
GOSSELIN: It was a job to me. It was a job to her. That`s what it is when you have kids.
BEHAR: I saw you on "Dancing with the Stars". What can I say?
GOSSELIN: Listen, nothing has not been said, so go for it. I`m here. I`ve got ears.
BEHAR: I said that you were dancing like you were avoiding land mines. Was that wrong? Was that too harsh of me?
GOSSELIN: No, it`s probably not the worst thing I`ve heard. That`s good.
BEHAR: Ginger Rogers you are not but I give you points for going out there and trying. But now poor Tony Davaloni (ph), he now has Wendy Williams to dance with. The poor guy. What is it with -- neither one of you is really that good a dancer and he keeps getting the dancers who cannot dance, what is that?
GOSSELIN: They have a lot of trust in him.
BEHAR: Do you think you`re a better dancer than Wendy?
GOSSELIN: I don`t think I`m a better dancer than anybody who ever has taken a dance step.
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GOSSELIN: All I can say, this season I`m glad to be sitting on the sofa watching it from home. I feel really comfortable there.
BEHAR: Yes. Do you have a favorite? Is there somebody that you`re going to vote for?
GOSSELIN: I`ve been splitting my votes to be fair but I especially like Chelsea and Mark.
BEHAR: I don`t have time to ask you about your tummy tuck.
GOSSELIN: That was so many years ago, why do you care?
BEHAR: I don`t care. It`s on the page. You know, I have had botox, I use botox and so I --
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GOSSELIN: Maybe we should talk about that.
BEHAR: Yes, I mean it`s great. Botox is the greatest invention since Carter`s little liver pills.
GOSSELIN: Ok.
BEHAR: I don`t use those either but whatever.
You can see all new episodes of "Kate plus 8" Monday nights on TLC. We`ll be right back.
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BEHAR: We make a lot of jokes about plastic surgery. But I think a lot of people forget it is surgery. There are risks. Just ask Marilyn Leisz who says that due to botched surgery, she cannot close her eyes anymore. Here to talk about her experience is Marilyn Leisz along with her attorney, Roy Konray. Welcome to the show.
Marilyn, you cannot close your eyes?
MARILYN LEISZ: That`s correct.
BEHAR: How long has this been going on?
LEISZ: Since Dr. Paul Parker`s surgery, since 2005.
BEHAR: Oh, my God. That`s a long time.
LEISZ: Yes.
BEHAR: How do you function?
LEISZ: My daily life is not a typical person`s life. I have to -- at night time when I take a shower I have to put in gel into my eyes to protect them from the soap and the water running in there. And then at night time I have to put the vaporizer on, put more steroid creams and put gel into my eye and then put a sleep mask over my eye to protect my eye.
BEHAR: It`s a nightmare.
LEISZ: Yes it is.
BEHAR: So do you -- can you sleep? You sleep with your eyes open.
LEISZ: Correct. Exactly.
BEHAR: Is that sleep, though?
LEISZ: It`s not really sleep. You kind of just like fade away. I mean, I need medication to sleep at night.
BEHAR: Well, who doesn`t?
LEISZ: But I mean, it`s like --
BEHAR: We all do a little something -- Ambien is popular these days. But this is a whole other level of not being able to sleep. How uncomfortable for you.
LEISZ: Yes, it`s very uncomfortable. My whole life has changed. I feel that Dr. Parker has stolen my life from me. I`m no longer the person I once was. I don`t have self-confidence, self-esteem or any self-worth left.
When I go to sleep, I just pray that my eyesight will last long enough for me to remember doing things with my grandchildren like making cookies, taking them to the park, reading stories to them. Most importantly, I pray to God that my eyesight will last --
BEHAR: Why? Is there a threat of blindness?
LEISZ: Yes, there is. I have a threat of constant -- threat of eye infections, glaucoma, corneal ulcers and blindness.
BEHAR: Ok. It sounds pretty bad. You went in for just routine eye surgery or what?
LEISZ: Actually the surgeon who did this -- I actually went in to see him for a face and neck lift. And he brought -- and I had had a prior (INAUDIBLE) with another doctor and there were bumps along the crease line and he made me use a product which he said that that did not work to smooth out the bumps, he would need to remove a little more skin.
So on the next pre-op he convinced me that I needed more skin removed in order to remove the bumps because I couldn`t see what he saw. And that there were still bumps along my crease line and that I would not be a happy person with my eyelids in a couple more years if he did not remove a little more skin.
BEHAR: And you bought it? You believed it.
LEISZ: Yes, I did, because he`s the doctor. He should have told me that - -
BEHAR: Did you get a second opinion?
LEISZ: No, because I trusted him. I heard he was a very good doctor.
BEHAR: I can understand. We like to trust our doctors and he sounds like he was just a bad doctor.
LEISZ: He was proven negligent for deviating from the standard of care. I mean, once that -- at that point, it doesn`t matter whether I`ve had one surgery or 100 surgeries, or whether he told me about the risk of the surgery or not. The risk only applies if you do not deviate from the standard of care. I feel the jury was very unfair to me.
BEHAR: Why was the jury unfair?
LEISZ: I think the only word they heard was I had prior plastic surgery and I should have been aware that this was going to happen to me. And I don`t think --
BEHAR: The doctor -- Dr. Parker told us that all patients get pre-surgical counseling. Did you?
LEISZ: I don`t believe that was pre-surgical counseling. I was only told I was not going to feel myself. I was going to be bruised and be swollen for a few days after the surgery.
BEHAR: So -- ok.
So now, the jury did award Marilyn $115,000.
ROY KONRAY, ATTORNEY FOR MARILYN LEISZ: Correct.
BEHAR: -- which doesn`t sound like a lot of money considering the pain and torture that this woman is in.
KONRAY: It fell far short of our expectation, that`s for sure.
BEHAR: So what happened? Why not.
KONRAY: I think there`s a tremendous prejudice against cosmetic surgery cases. I mean normally I run the other direction. The only reason I even considered this case was --
BEHAR: What do you mean you run in the other direction? You don`t want to take the cases?
KONRAY: Cosmetic surgery cases, it`s easy for the jury to blame the patient because the patient really didn`t have to have it. It`s not cancer surgery or anything like that. So I usually run the other way.
In this case I said to Marilyn, you`re at Will`s Eye Hospital. If your treating doctor will back you up on this and say that this was caused by malpractice, then I will take it. And sure enough her treating doctor at Will`s Eye Hospital who lectures around the world said the problem here is they removed too much skin from the eyelids.
BEHAR: You probably didn`t have enough skin to take in the first place so you didn`t really need an eye job.
LEISZ: That`s exactly right.
BEHAR: He shouldn`t have done it but I guess he just -- they just want to make some money -- in the next segment I`m going to talk to a surgeon about this. Thank you very much for doing this. I wish you best of luck. I don`t know what to say to you. It`s terrible. I`m so sorry.
LEISZ: Thank you.
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BEHAR: We`re back talking about plastic surgery. It seems to be a bit of an obsession in this country. Just this morning the woman who holds the world`s record for plastic surgeries was on "Good Morning America" talking about her 52 procedures. Watch.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cindy Jackson has had $100,000 worth of cuts, pulls, peals, jabs, and a whole lot of whatever that is.
CINDY JACKSON, HOLDS WORLD RECORD FOR PLASTIC SURGERY: It`s not just operations; I mean I`ve had 14 full scale operations with anesthetic. Only 14 but I`ve had botox, my upper and lower eyes done twice, five facelifts.
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BEHAR: Here to talk about all these plastic surgeries is Dr. Robert Singer, a board certified plastic surgeon. Doctor, welcome to the show first.
DR. ROBERT SINGER, BOARD CERTIFIED PLASTIC SURGEON: Thank you.
BEHAR: We just spoke to a woman who can`t close her eyes after plastic surgery. What do you think of the surgeon?
SINGER: I don`t know enough about the case. I don`t know the surgeon but I can tell you that any surgery -- and I feel very badly for the woman who was on -- but any surgery has risks. The vast majority of patients who have cosmetic surgery and certainly the vast majority who have eyelid surgery don`t have complications. They are generally happy with the results.
But the patients have to understand that there are risks as well as benefits. And the risks, even though the percentage of complications may be low, if you`re one of those who has the complication, it`s 100 percent for you.
BEHAR: That`s right.
SINGER: You need to know both the complications as well as the benefits and be fully informed before you undergo these procedures.
BEHAR: Ok. Let`s talk about this woman who had 52 plastic surgeries. She was on "Good Morning America". It`s a world record supposedly. Although, I don`t know -- maybe there`s somebody in another part of the world that had more; but 52, I mean that`s unbelievable. Why would doctors say yes to so many surgeries? Shouldn`t the doctor say, come on, that`s enough?
SINGER: Well, somebody who has had that many surgeries, that`s a red flag for most doctors. Most ethical plastic surgeons evaluate patients` motivation, motivate what they have had done and their general health. And you know, it`s not infrequent that we say no you shouldn`t do this. This may not be in your best interests.
But some patients can be very convincing of what they want a specific area and it may improve that area but somebody who has had that many surgical procedures really they need treatment but surgery is not the answer for that. Somebody who comes in and wants to look like someone else -- that is an unrealistic expectation, that patient will never be ultimately happy with the surgery.
So good ethical surgeons evaluate patients.
BEHAR: I only have a few seconds left. What`s the line that plastic surgeons will not cross? What is it?
SINGER: I think that depends on the evaluation once you sit in consultation with the patient, knowing what they want. Is it age appropriate? Are they sensible? Is their motivation correct? Do they have the proper medical background to do that? And what are the specific risks and do they understand those risks.
Realize it`s not play. It`s not like drywall. It`s human tissue. It`s not totally predictable.
BEHAR: Right.
SINGER: And remember, complications can occur in any surgery: cardiac, orthopedic, though very unlikely an aesthetic surgery with a board trained plastic surgeon by the American Board of Plastic Surgery but they still can happen.
BEHAR: Ok. Thanks very much, Doctor. We`ll be right back. Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up next on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, from "30 Rock", actor Alec Baldwin.
Plus Joy`s "View" co-host Sherri Shepherd pays a visit.
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BEHAR: Today is the 24th Annual Arts Advocacy Day and Alec Baldwin is in Washington, D.C., to talk to President Obama about the importance of federal funding for the arts. I don`t want to have to move to London to watch "Masterpiece Theater" -- so, Bono, better upon knee up. That`s all I`m saying.
With me now is the great and fabulous Alec Baldwin.
Hi, Alec. How are you?
ALEC BALDWIN, ACTOR: Is that you, Joy? Are you here?
BEHAR: I`m here. You can`t see me but you can hear my dolce tones.
BALDWIN: I know it`s you, Joy, honey. Make no mistake.
BEHAR: I see. OK. So, let`s get down to business because I know you are there for an important thing. Tell us what you are doing in D.C.
BALDWIN: Well, I`m here as a guest of Americans for the Arts and I`ve come down here probably, you know, at more than half a dozen times, maybe eight or nine times, to be part of the Arts Advocacy Day, which is the opportunity for the arts advocacy groups that represents states and municipalities, all across the country that come here to lobby for government funding for the arts.
BEHAR: OK. Well, we know it`s important because we`re in the business. But I think that some people think it`s frivolous, like Sarah Palin. She`s called the NEA, which is the National Endowment for the Arts, the spending frivolous.
How do you respond to something like that?
BALDWIN: Well, when you speak to people here, as we did today in the Congress, what you find out is that it really is a situation where they might support the arts and they might even support government funding for the arts, but during economic tough times like we have now, that`s money that they feel is better spent somewhere else. Every dime that would go to the National Endowment or to other authorizations in the Interior Department like the Smithsonian and so forth, they think that money needs to go somewhere else right now.
And we`re trying to have a philosophical discussion with them, that this country needs to support the arts, with government spending for the arts, because when that government funding is reduced, there are statistics that prove that the private sector does not pick up that slack.
BEHAR: Right. Right.
BALDWIN: There`s been a big drop at certain points since 1994 and when that funding was collapsed after 1994, private foundations and private wealth did not pick up the slack. So, you wind up losing programming and particularly in parts of the country that need it most.
You and I, Joy, live in New York. There`s a lot of wealthy people and a lot of wealthy foundations and corporations that will underwrite arts- related education programs and performances. But in other parts of the country, that well doesn`t exist for them.
BEHAR: Right.
BALDWIN: If they don`t get government funding, the program is going to stop.
BEHAR: Yes.
Now -- but, you know, you say it`s a philosophical argument. It`s also very practical argument. Number one, it creates jobs. The NEA creates jobs. Is that something that the GOP can get behind?
BALDWIN: But you have people who come here to Washington and they make that argument on behalf of other programs as well. They say that, you know, here`s the amount of money that government is spending and it`s seed money and here`s the economic and generation that results from that. Many, many people make that kind of incubator argument for government funding and programs.
But with the arts, I want to go in a different direction. We`ve come here and proved that money that is spent by the NEA for arts-related programs is better for the economy where it`s funneled. And we`ve come here to say that where the government stops the funding, it has a tremendous impact, especially on young people. The argument that I`m really fond on is the fact that we don`t want to leave the cultural identify of our children to commercial interests alone.
BEHAR: That`s right.
BALDWIN: I mean, I work in this business, and if you leave everything to the music industry and the movie industry and the television industry, for our young people to kind of develop their own sense of self and self- expression, their identity, we`re in for a lot of problems.
BEHAR: But we`re already on a slippery slope when Snooki is getting $32,000 to speak at Rutgers. I mean, that`s a good example of commercial television.
BALDWIN: Snooki is getting $32,000 to speak at Rutgers?
BEHAR: Yes. That`s right.
BALDWIN: I spoke at Montclair State for nothing. What the hell is going on here?
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BALDWIN: Thirty-two grand?
BEHAR: You know, she`s getting the money. You`re a cheap date. What can I tell you?
BALDWIN: I am. Well, I`m old news. Snooki is hot.
BEHAR: But, you know, you mentioned 1994. That was the year that Gingrich shut down the government. They are threatening to do it again.
I mean -- now, in those days, Clinton did not get the blame for that. The Republicans got the blame. Do you think that Obama is going to get the blame if they shut down the government this week?
BALDWIN: Something tells me that everybody is going to get the blame if the government shuts down this week because we are in economically tough times. I mean, I`m someone who`s have the belief that every department of the government should their cut by a certain percentage and we should spread that pain. There`s fat everywhere in the government.
But, I think that if this shutdown occurs, which no one knows what`s going to happen. They got three days so they`re going to have another continuing resolution and buy more time. But I think if the government shuts down, we go through the kind of folly of that where nonessential people lose their jobs for that period of time. We have people who are working for the government overseas who are going to be stuck in an overseas country without a paycheck.
BEHAR: Right.
BALDWIN: So, there`s a lot of kind of inanity that goes with the shutdown of the government. But I think when it does occur, there`s probably some blame that go around everywhere.
BEHAR: You know, Alec, talking to you this, I know that you`re a political person.
BALDWIN: I`m in Washington, Joy, so I`m speaking very politically carefully. Did you notice how I did that?
BEHAR: Yes, you are.
BALDWIN: That the blame for the shutdown is going to be spread around. Yes.
BEHAR: But you`re -- it`s impressive. It`s impressive.
BALDWIN: Thank you, Joy.
BEHAR: But I want to ask you one more question. Trump is running for president. What about you?
BALDWIN: Is that a question? Is that a serious question?
BEHAR: All right. Let`s put it this way. Do you think he has a shot?
BALDWIN: No, not at all.
BEHAR: OK.
BALDWIN: I think that the Republicans, they need something very particular. I mean, I`m a Democrat, obviously, and I`m a supporter of Obama`s and I fully anticipate Obama to be re-elected.
BEHAR: That`s right.
BALDWIN: But if the Republicans have any hope of making Obama a one-term president, Donald Trump is absolutely, unequivocally, inconvertibly, not that hope.
BEHAR: OK. All right. Thank you, Alec, very much. Good luck with what you`re doing. I`m really behind this. OK?
BALDWIN: Thank you.
BEHAR: And don`t forget, come on my show and sit here with me.
We`ll be back in a minute.
I don`t want to beg you again.
ANNOUNCER: Coming up next on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, Joy talks with her "View" co-host Sherri Shepherd.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: Well, between "The View" and this show, I thought I was busy. But my friend Sherri Shepherd makes me look like a slacker. She`s not only on "The View," she also appears on "30 Rock," she hosts "The Newlywed Game" on GSN. And top of that, she`s planning her own wedding.
Here she is, hosting the newlywed game. Watch.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SHERRI SHEPHERD, "THE VIEW" CO-HOST: Which of the following did your wife say generally last longer? Her gym workouts, her phone calls, or you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When it comes to stamina, it`s all me, baby. You got to do what you got to do.
SHEPHERD: I hear you. What do you say?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I say my gym workouts.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: Here now sitting next to me again is my friend and co-host of "The View," Sherri Shepherd.
SHEPHERD: Hey, girl!
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: You know, those questions are always very suggestive and sexual innuendoes, right?
SHEPHERD: Yes. We want them to answer them and they want to but once they realize I have said, my mother-in-law sucks and she`s going to know I`m in so much trouble. Then you could tell they`re like horrified.
BEHAR: Yes, but that`s good TV, right?
SHEPHERD: It`s good. It`s -- I can`t say it and no, you`re just saying it and not telling anybody, and they believe me. And they give me the answer.
BEHAR: Do you like the job? Do you like the show?
SHEPHERD: I like it, Joy, because, you know, I love people and I love the couples. And, you know, and I was always hoping when I did the show like that marriage glow would jump on me and it did. That`s why I hang around with a lot of pregnant people, too.
BEHAR: Why? You want to get pregnant?
SHEPHERD: Yes. Like every time when I`m around pregnant people, like my uterus starts moving.
BEHAR: How old are you now?
SHEPHERD: I`m fine, thank you. That`s the answer you use.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: But I think that the clock is ticking, baby.
SHEPHERD: Yes. But that`s what I`m hoping. I`m hoping that my eggs -- you know, when you open up the refrigerator and you have eggs in there and they`ve been in there a long time and you try to crack them, I`m hoping that my eggs like my uterus because I haven`t said that I do yet. So, still thinks my eggs are good.
BEHAR: Are you still in the celibacy fantasy that you`ve been?
SHEPHERD: No, we`ve been really -- we`ve been working on it.
BEHAR: Working on it?
SHEPHERD: No, but, you know, we`re trying to do the celibacy thing. Look, I ain`t perfect. OK. Don`t judge me. I`m trying.
BEHAR: Why are trying? What`s the point of it?
SHEPHERD: Because I was raised, you know, you don`t have sex before you get married.
BEHAR: (INAUDIBLE) a long time ago.
SHEPHERD: I know. I had it a lot. And this is the thing about celibacy. It`s hard when you had it and you were doing it like a bunny rabbit when you`re married and then you just stop. You go cold turkey and then get a man who`s 6`6`` and 280 pounds, just tall, dark chocolate. That is very hard. Every day I`m on my knees, I mean, praying.
(LAUGHTER)
SHEPHERD: It only happens when I`m here on the JOY BEHAR SHOW.
BEHAR: I know.
(CROSSTALK)
SHEPHERD: But I wanted to ask, I`m looking for a surrogate because we`re going to do the surrogate thing.
BEHAR: Don`t look at me.
SHEPHERD: Are you sure?
BEHAR: Are you kidding me?
SHEPHERD: No, you know, I can`t afford to take work because I`m on bed rest and figure if I give an incentive. If you`re a black woman, I will give you a free Wii for a year, and like a Suzuki Samurai for a year.
BEHAR: That`s not enough. You have to play like $100,000 or something for surrogates.
SHEPHERD: A hundred thousand?
BEHAR: It`s a lot of money. Yes.
SHEPHERD: Oh, I would be carrying that baby.
BEHAR: I know, but a free Wii now.
SHEPHERD: Free Wii, I`m trying to make some stuff that makes it attractive, maybe, you know, like a scholarship to college or something.
BEHAR: Well, that`s nice.
SHEPHERD: For the person who`s carrying. Yes. It`s my egg and his person. So, you`re not doing anything, Joy.
BEHAR: But your eggs are frozen, aren`t they?
SHEPHERD: Well, they were frozen with my first husband. They are like male embryos. They`re little boys. So, no. Sal doesn`t want those embryos. Sort of my new egg and his sperms. So, the new embryos.
BEHAR: I see. So, he doesn`t want those embryos.
SHEPHERD: Well, because they`re not his. He wants his own.
BEHAR: Let`s just say, for argument sake, that your eggs are not going to work but his sperm is going to work.
SHEPHERD: Right.
BEHAR: Could you -- would you be opened to getting somebody else`s eggs?
SHEPHERD: Getting somebody else`s eggs? Yes, I`d be open to getting somebody else`s eggs. Why, are you loaning some of yours?
BEHAR: No, I told you, I don`t have any. But, I mean, like that way would be at least --
(CROSSTALK)
SHEPHERD: Absolutely. Even adoption would be open to that.
BEHAR: Now, what if a white woman wants to donate the eggs? Would you take them?
SHEPHERD: A white woman?
BEHAR: Yes.
(LAUGHTER)
SHEPHERD: I didn`t think about all of that. I didn`t think about a white woman and a baby with Sal. That would be different.
BEHAR: I`m just throwing it out, just in case.
SHEPHERD: OK. I mean, I would be opened to a lot of stuff, I think. So, it will be OK.
BEHAR: OK. Now, let`s talk about the wedding a little bit.
SHEPHERD: Yes.
BEHAR: Is there anything else on the newlywed that you want to go over?
SHEPHERD: No, I think we`ll go with newlywed. And it will be airing a premier April 18th. So watch it.
BEHAR: OK. All right. Did anybody have a big fight on the show, by the way?
SHEPHERD: We don`t have any big fights. People really love being there. We had our same sex couple which was really exciting.
BEHAR: Boys or girls?
SHEPHERD: It was boys. And we had a really good time. It was so much fun. I told them, when you guys hold a party, I am so there. So, they were fun.
BEHAR: So, boy, we`ve come a long way.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: They never would have same sex.
BEHAR: Never.
SHEPHERD: So, if you are same sex, you got to marry (INAUDIBLE) come on and apply.
BEHAR: Sounds good.
SHEPHERD: Yes.
BEHAR: OK. So, the wedding, how is the wedding planning going?
SHEPHERD: I got. I`m so stressed. I haven`t found anything. I don`t have my shoes. I don`t have anything. I got my ring. So, I got some really excited.
BEHAR: That`s a beautiful ring.
SHEPHERD: Thank you. I don`t take it off. It`s got peanut butter in there. When I have to make Jeffrey`s sandwich, it gets peanut butter in there. I like it. I never take it off.
BEHAR: Because Barbara told us that she dropped her ring in the ring.
SHEPHERD: She lost it.
BEHAR: She lost her ring. So, you got peanut butter in that.
SHEPHERD: I know. I ate something with sodium, so it is stuck on my finger. It`s not coming off.
BEHAR: Right.
SHEPHERD: But I`m really excited because, you know, Jeffrey is walking me down the aisle.
BEHAR: Your son.
SHEPHERD: My son he`s 5 years old because I just figure, you know, it`s a symbolization. And I want Sal to know, well, he does, but when he turns around, he not only sees me but this little boy.
BEHAR: That`s right.
SHEPHERD: That he`s going to be taking care of, too.
BEHAR: But what about your father? Is he insulted by that?
SHEPHERD: Well, I think he`s -- my father was just like, you know, you guys, young people do things differently. But my father walked me down the aisle the first time.
BEHAR: And that`s enough.
SHEPHERD: Yes.
BEHAR: Maybe he feels he`s bad luck.
(LAUGHTER)
SHEPHERD: No, I just think it`s really -- you know, now, it`s just -- it really -- when Jeffrey puts my hand into Sal`s, it just means something.
BEHAR: That will be nice. I`m going to -- am I invited so that --
SHEPHERD: You should have the save the date card.
BEHAR: I have that. I`m going to try to make it but I noticed you didn`t ask me to be a bride`s made.
SHEPHERD: I didn`t think you would want to be a bridesmaid.
BEHAR: How do you know? Why? Don`t you think I`d want to wear an ugly dress like everybody else?
(LAUGHTER)
SHEPHERD: You are always telling me, why do you got to get married, Sherri. You`re always, you never -- you never like -- whenever we say marriage, whenever Lizzy (ph) and I talked about marriage, you`re always like, why? You know, something like why? I didn`t -- this is all I need is Joy walking down the aisle going, what is she doing?
(LAUGHTER)
SHEPHERD: And you would have that look on your face.
BEHAR: And, Barbara, you didn`t ask her to be a bridesmaid, either.
SHEPHERD: Because Barbara is throwing my bridal showers. She`s got enough to do.
BEHAR: Let`s discuss that. She`s throwing a bridal shower.
SHEPHERD: Oh, my gosh. I gave Barbara my list of names and so she`s inviting everybody. So, you`re coming. And I invited Steve.
BEHAR: He won`t come.
SHEPHERD: Why won`t Steve coming?
BEHAR: Bridal shower is for women.
SHEPHERD: I know. But I just want men there. I thought it really would be fun with men.
BEHAR: Bill is coming.
SHEPHERD: Yes, Bill is coming.
(CROSSTALK)
SHEPHERD: A couple guys from "The View" are coming.
BEHAR: So, that`s enough.
SHEPHERD: Yes.
BEHAR: What do you want to serve at the shower?
SHEPHERD: Barbara says she`s serving food that everybody can eat. And she said but they better not spill ketchup on my couch. So, I think she`s serving some stuff , some little finger foods. So, please don`t spill anything.
BEHAR: What will happen if you spill -- I`m scared now.
SHEPHERD: No, you tell me. I have never been to Barbara`s house. So, it`s a little scary.
BEHAR: Quite beautiful.
SHEPHERD: Is it big?
BEHAR: It`s very nice. Yes, it`s big. It`s not humongous.
SHEPHERD: OK. So, there`s going to be 25 of us. We are going to have the music going whoa, that kind of thing.
BEHAR: That will go over in that building. Okay.
(LAUGHTER)
SHEPHERD: Take it off.
BEHAR: Oh, that is going to be so happy with you. Oh, yes.
OK. So what about the dress?
SHEPHERD: The dress I haven`t picked it out. Lissy is going to be with me.
BEHAR: Elisabeth Hasselbeck.
SHEPHERD: Elisabeth Hasselbeck because she`s one of my bridesmaid.
BEHAR: Oh, sure, because she`s young? That`s why you asked her? The old girls you didn`t ask?
SHEPHERD: No. Because, you want to go with me, Joy. What are you going to say? Can you see? You do it? You see how she is?
BEHAR: No, it`s all right.
SHEPHERD: I would love for you guys to go with me.
BEHAR: No, it`s too late. You didn`t ask in time. Never mind. Let`s move on.
So, is your ex-husband coming to the wedding?
SHEPHERD: No, I`m not inviting him. Why would invite him? I don`t do things like those people over in Europe and England. That`s weird, invite your exes.
BEHAR: What about the guy we interviewed the other day, Jerry Weintraub?
SHEPHERD: And he brought his mistress and wife.
BEHAR: He`s got a wife and a mistress. He`s been married to the wife for 100 years.
SHEPHERD: That is the wildest thing I`ve ever seen. But the mistress, she didn`t look too comfortable on the couch.
BEHAR: No, because when you`re the mistress, it`s fine when you`re in the bedroom. But then when you`re in front of "The View" audience, in front of the world.
SHEPHERD: I know what you`re saying because when you`re in your circle of people over there and their whole thinks, oh, that`s OK to have a wife and a mistress, and then you get all with of America, at "The View," everybody at "The View" was like -- what the hell is this? It was a little wild.
BEHAR: And that was Barbara. I`m just kidding.
All right. We`re going to take a break because we have another segment with you.
SHEPHERD: Oh, goodie.
BEHAR: So, we`ll have more with Sherri Shepherd. You`re all awake now.
SHEPHERD: I am.
BEHAR: Stay right there. OK. ANNOUNCER: Tomorrow on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW from I dream of Genie," Barbara Eden, and former Governor Jessie Ventura.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: I`m back with my lovely co-host, Sherri Shepherd.
So, Sherri, you know, last time I had Star Jones on the show.
SHEPHERD: Yes.
BEHAR: And there`s a lot of buzz about it because, you know, it was the first time we were together after all those years.
SHEPHERD: But it was a nice camaraderie that you guys had.
BEHAR: Yes, it was fine. But did you watch the show?
SHEPHERD: You mean, did I watch the show when Star left? I did. I was watching, I was eating my popcorn and I was watching. And I heard her say -- she grabbed everybody`s hand and she said, I don`t know what the future holds and I know who holds the future. And I grabbed my phone
BEHAR: It sounds like a --
(CROSSTALK)
SHEPHERD: Well, that`s what it was. And I remember watching and I grabbed the phone, and I was like, girl, turn on "The View," Star says she leaving. Star says she holds the future and she don`t know what the future -- oh, my God. It was just like, heck, yes --
BEHAR: Yes, yes.
SHEPHERD: Because you guys had been together so long.
BEHAR: Nine years.
SHEPHERD: Nine years.
BEHAR: Was it nine? Yes.
SHEPHERD: I think it was nine years. Yes, so it was a big --
BEHAR: She also said she was not happy the last year.
SHEPHERD: I couldn`t tell. Every time I watched it, you always got along.
BEHAR: Well, she wasn`t happy with what, with herself or with the show? I never got that out of her.
SHEPHERD: Well, it`s hard. You know, sometimes you got a lot of personal stuff going on she don`t want to talk about all the time.
BEHAR: Right. Do you know which wig you`re wearing to the wedding?
SHEPHERD: I don`t know what wig I`m wearing. It will be something curls that the veil will fit.
BEHAR: I like this look.
SHEPHERD: You like this hair?
(CROSSTALK)
SHEPHERD: You should do a different hair with Steve. You would have a great, spice up that sex life, girl.
BEHAR: I`ll put a toupee on him first.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Listen, what about "Dancing with the Stars"?
SHEPHERD: Oh, "Dancing with the Stars." Yes. Did you see Maksim? He fell.
BEHAR: Poor guy, yes.
SHEPHERD: Yes, he fell. He was doing something dip like with
BEHAR: There it is, we`re watching it.
SHEPHERD: It`s like drag her on the floor -- oh!
BEHAR: Oh, boy.
SHEPHERD: And they got back up and they kept going, which I love. But, you know, Maksim, he`s to get used to each other`s body, because he`s holding Kirstie. And Kirstie, you know, and I love -- she`s my big sister. But he`s got to get used to holding her and doing, you know --
BEHAR: Maybe he`s not strong enough to hold her.
SHEPHERD: Maksim can hold Kirstie. You know, he`s held a lot of women. He can hold Kirstie. He`s got to get used to it.
BEHAR: Who was his last partner?
SHEPHERD: You know, he had like Denise Richards.
BEHAR: Skinny?
SHEPHERD: Yes, she was really skinning. They are, but most of these dancers are size two. That`s why I love Kirstie Alley because she`s not a size two.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: You wanted do it, right?
SHEPHERD: I want to do it. I would love to do the pasodoble.
BEHAR: But you can`t do it.
SHEPHERD: I`m here in New York. And I have Jeffrey. It would be too hard.
BEHAR: And you have enough things going on.
OK. Weekly, you can catch Sherri on the new season of "The Newlywed Game," starting April 18t, weeknights at 6:30 p.m. on GSN. What else?
SHEPHERD: Oh, my gosh. I`m in "Big Momma`s House" is out right now with Martin Lawrence. And then I`m just a mommy and I`m on "The View" every single day.
BEHAR: You are busy. OK, thank you.
SHEPHERD: I`m going to be like you.
BEHAR: Thank you, sweetie. I love having you here, sweetheart. You`re adorable.
Thank you for watching and good night, everybody.
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