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Eva`s World; Jesse Ventura Interview; Catching Up With Kate Gosselin
Aired April 08, 2011 - 22:00 ET
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ANNOUNCER: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW: Joy checks in with "Desperate Housewives" star Eva Longoria, who has a new dating life and a new cook book.
Then, conspiracy theorist extraordinaire Jesse Ventura tells Joy what`s irking him about our government.
Plus, Kate Gosselin is here. She`ll diss on her split up with John and tell Joy what it`s like for a single mother of eight returning to the dating scene.
That and more starting right now.
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JOY BEHAR, HOST: In real live, Eva Longoria is no longer a housewife and definitely not desperate. But on TV, she still has fun playing that role. Take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES" FROM ABC)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The invitations have been sent, the caterer has been hired. Life is for the living, so let`s live.
EVA LONGORIA, ACTRESS: Well, living did buy a new dress, Versace.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I`m sure Beth would have loved to have seen you in that Versace.
LONGORIA: She would, wouldn`t she?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In a way, it could be a tribute to her.
LONGORIA: Ad I did see the perfect tribute shoes at the mall.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That is the spirit.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: I am happy to have on my show, Miss Eva Longoria.
You and I have been, you`ve been on "The View" with me a couple times.
LONGORIA: Yes, and co-hosted with you.
BEHAR: That`s right. Did you like it?
LONGORIA: No.
BEHAR: Why not? What not?
LONGORIA: I don`t like to pry. I don`t like to -- I felt awful. Do you know who was on the show that I got to host was "Mini-me." So, what I`m a going to ask "Mini-me"? I forget his name.
BEHAR: Well, that was a while ago.
LONGORIA: It was long -- it was seven years ago.
BEHAR: "Mini-me." In those movies, yes.
LONGORIA: And they were like, that you know thing in your ear?
BEHAR: The one that makes you deaf?
LONGORIA: Yes. Or that makes you not listen to who you`re talking to. They`re like ask him, ask him. And I`m going --
BEHAR: What did they want you to ask him?
LONGORIA: If he peed on somebody, you know? I don`t know.
BEHAR: It made you uncomfortable.
LONGORIA: I was like, do I really have to ask this? I don`t think I`m the person to do that.
BEHAR: So, that`s not your thing. You were more interested in being an actress with line and they tell what you to say and you say it.
LONGORIA: Yes, exactly. To be myself. Even in interviews, I still get anxiety.
BEHAR: Relax here, though, because this is very friendly territory. But also, a lot of actors do not like to improvise. They just don`t -- they want their script because that`s what they do.
LONGORIA: Yes. Yes.
BEHAR: I understand that.
LONGORIA: You understand. You don`t because you`re a comedian. You probably hate scripts.
BEHAR: I do. I hate scripts. I hate scripts.
All right. So, now, I heard you had a birthday. Do you still say your age?
LONGORIA: Yes, I`m 36.
BEHAR: Why do you tell it now? Don`t tell it.
LONGORIA: OK. I`ll stop.
BEHAR: She`s 26, ladies and gentlemen. You have a week`s worth of parties.
LONGORIA: It was like Mardi Gras.
BEHAR: Why? What did you do? I love that.
LONGORIA: I know. It was a 1920s birthday party. And then I had -- I went to Disneyland with my whole family the day of my birthday. And then I had a Vegas party with Nuvo, which is a new brand that I`m endorsing.
So, it was a long -- it was a long week. I could go without eating cake for a while.
BEHAR: But you stay skinny.
LONGORIA: Thank you.
BEHAR: You stay skinny. How do you do it?
LONGORIA: It`s this dress.
BEHAR: Well, first you`re young. When you hit 40, you really have to start worrying.
LONGORIA: No, I feel it. I feel like I have to work out a lot harder and I can`t eat whatever I want.
BEHAR: Because this book -- this cook book which we`ll talk about in a while has tons of fattening things in it. But I guess if you just eat this much in it.
LONGORIA: No, but it has a lot of healthy thing and there`s a lot of alternatives in the book. You can, you know, don`t use this, you could use that. You can make this vegan. You can use turkey ground beef. Don`t use beef.
BEHAR: Right.
LONGORIA: Yes.
BEHAR: I don`t like vegan. I don`t care for that. Do you? I don`t like it.
LONGORIA: I tried it --
BEHAR: Tofu. They make lasagna with tofu. Give me a break.
LONGORIA: Yes, I know. I`m Mexican. I`m Mexican and I`m from Texas. So, we`re beef eaters.
BEHAR: That`s right. You were living in San Antonio, weren`t you? Because Robin Verde (ph) designed your house. I know all about that.
LONGORIA: Yes.
BEHAR: But you`re not there anymore because you`re moving on to post- divorce life.
LONGORIA: Post-divorce life. You had a great post-divorce life.
BEHAR: I did. I think that sometimes, I`m not saying for every woman, but divorce can be a growth experience, a learning experience that you need to go through that transition sometimes.
LONGORIA: Right.
BEHAR: And, you know, it`s hurtful but it pays off sometime, I think.
LONGORIA: I think so. I mean, I think. And if there are some valuable lessons you`re going to learn about yourself, you know, while you`re going through that. So, yes, I think it`s a journey.
BEHAR: It`s a journey.
LONGORIA: Not the destination.
BEHAR: No. But one of the things you said is, "I hold dearly every experience that I have in my life. I regret nothing. So, you know I`m moving on."
No regrets? No drunken nights in Cabo with some lifeguard that you want to live?
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: No regrets, nothing?
LONGORIA: No regrets. It`s funny because I have tattoos, too. I have my wedding date tattoo. And everybody --
BEHAR: Let me see.
LONGORIA: It`s is 7/7/7, the day we got married. And everybody -- I have to cover it for work. So, one day, I go to dinner and I have make-up over it. And they go, Eva, remove the tattoo. And then the next day, I have it. They go, she didn`t. And the next day, it`s covered again. And it`s like, I don`t have regrets even on my tattoo.
BEHAR: But this is a cautionary tale not to get a tattoo, especially on the day you`re getting married.
LONGORIA: No, I like it.
BEHAR: Maybe you had a baby -- you put their birthday because they`re with you forever. The husband, you never know.
LONGORIA: Well, I just look at the divorce date, and I will be like, great (ph).
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: So, do you have a new squeeze that we can discuss? Because I heard --
LONGORIA: Right.
BEHAR: -- that you were going out with Penelope Cruz`s brother. Is that true?
LONGORIA: That`s what everybody keeps saying.
BEHAR: You don`t have to tell me. You can say mind your own business.
LONGORIA: Mind your own business, Joy.
BEHAR: OK, that`s fine. You can say that, but that`s what I`m here, OK?
(LAUGHTER)
LONGORIA: No, the love of my life right now is my cook book, my love of cooking.
BEHAR: OK. Now, you have to close female friends living with you?
LONGORIA: Yes. They were always living there. I have a very large house. Even when I was married, they would watch the house when I was gone.
BEHAR: Who are these girls? Actresses, friends?
LONGORIA: No, no, they`re civilians.
BEHAR: Civilians?
LONGORIA: Yes.
BEHAR: Oh, so that`s better. So, there`s no competition.
LONGORIA: No, no.
BEHAR: Because that would be rough if you were there with the "Desperate Housewives" cast.
LONGORIA: It would be a little rough, I guess.
BEHAR: I mean, everybody always asks me on "The View," do you girls get along?
LONGORIA: You guys don`t. So --
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Well, we do now. We`ve had periods, you know, where we didn`t, you know? I`m sure you do, too. You can`t love everybody you work with all the time.
LONGORIA: I mean, for the most part, yes. We`ve been really lucky to love our guys, our husbands. All of us have amazing co-star husbands. And, you know, I`m really close with Felicity and Marcia.
We live near each other and we kind of see each other a lot more and they`ve been amazingly supportive during this whole thing that I`ve been through. And so, yes, you know, we are friends outside of it. I was really good friends with Nicolette Sheridan before she left.
BEHAR: Oh, yes, that was a tragedy. I mean, not really a tragedy. But she lost her job and there was a whole tragedy with Mark and everything.
LONGORIA: Right. It didn`t end well.
BEHAR: I know. But I love your character though. I think the character of Gabrielle is, so far, she`s been funny and fun. And now, I hear that she`s going into a whole tragic arc.
LONGORIA: Right.
BEHAR: Tell me about it.
LONGORIA: Yes. I`m trying to think of where we are in the airing because we`re already shooting almost the last episode. But, yes, she has some residual effects from losing her real daughter. And --
BEHAR: Yes. Oh, that was the birth mix-up, right?
LONGORIA: Yes, the birth mix-up.
BEHAR: Is that story line done now?
LONGORIA: Yes, that was done.
BEHAR: OK, now, what`s going on with her?
LONGORIA: So, now, we`re getting back into the funny of it.
BEHAR: Wait a minute. I heard that you were revealing that Gabrielle was molested as a child.
LONGORIA: Well, that`s not funny.
BEHAR: I know it`s not.
LONGORIA: I didn`t know you know that. That`s the -- second to the last episode. So, it hasn`t aired yet.
BEHAR: Oh, I`m sorry.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Big mouth Behar.
LONGORIA: They always call me the leaker because every time I was on "The View," guys would get something out of me and I was like, was I not supposed to say that?
BEHAR: She`s a leaker. I love it. Yes.
But, OK, suffice it to say that there are serious issues that will be coming out.
LONGORIA: Serious issues. Yes.
BEHAR: So, now, I mean, you`re so funny.
LONGORIA: Thanks.
BEHAR: And you`re so adorable. This is like a whole other thing. Do you like it?
LONGORIA: I do. I like that I get to do both things on the show. You know, we`re still the number one show on ABC, which is after seven years kind of a feat.
BEHAR: That`s damn good.
LONGORIA: It`s pretty good.
BEHAR: You betcha. Sarah would say yes.
But, I mean, you don`t prefer the comedy. Comedy they say is harder.
LONGORIA: I prefer the comedy.
BEHAR: You prefer the comedy. Why? You`re not getting a laugh on the set, are you?
LONGORIA: Yes. We have our camera guys.
BEHAR: I know. But then they say don`t laugh while we shoot this.
LONGORIA: Yes, they`ll be snickering. We have rehearsals.
But I love it. I love physical comedy, too. I love the whole, you know, falling down, getting up. Marcia and I have this really funny episode coming up with baking a cake. And it is so funny and so clever.
I just find the audience responds more to the comedy and the more witty and the more intelligent banter as opposed to the dramatic stuff.
BEHAR: Oh, they like that better.
LONGORIA: Yes.
BEHAR: Well, that`s good news.
LONGORIA: I like it.
BEHAR: But, you know, you haven`t won an Emmy or Golden Globe for "Desperate Housewives."
LONGORIA: We`re nominated.
BEHAR: Is it because you`re so funny? You know, comedy doesn`t always pay off when it comes to awards. Ask Woody Allen.
LONGORIA: Yes. That and also, "Desperate Housewives" is a dichotomy of a drama and a comedy. So, we don`t really fall into the drama category because we`re not "Sopranos," and we didn`t fall into the comedy because we`re not really, "30 Rock."
BEHAR: It`s a hybrid.
LONGORIA: We`re a dromedy. So, for the award, it doesn`t fit into a box. So, you know, we can`t compete with the Tina Feys and the Christina Applegates. Where they`re truly believe comedians. That`s all they do on their show. We do a little drama, we do a little comedy.
BEHAR: They should have a category for dromedies because that`s really the thing that`s going on television right now.
LONGORIA: Right.
BEHAR: OK. Stay right there. We`ll be right back with more from Eva Longoria in just a minute.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: I am back with the beautiful Eva Longoria, actress and author of "Eva`s Kitchen."
People don`t know this about you that you`re a little chef.
LONGORIA: I know. I`m surprised that people don`t know that about me. I have two restaurants.
BEHAR: Tell me where they are.
LONGORIA: One in Hollywood, Beso. It`s called Beso Hollywood.
BEHAR: Besame mucho, right?
LONGORIA: Besame mucho.
BEHAR: Do you speak Spanish?
LONGORIA: Yes.
BEHAR: Fluently?
LONGORIA: And French. Yes.
BEHAR: And French?
LONGORIA: Yes.
BEHAR: Your family is from Mexico?
LONGORIA: We`re ninth generation Americans. But we`re of Mexican descent. We`re Spanish descent.
BEHAR: Ninth generation?
LONGORIA: Yes, from the 1600s.
BEHAR: Oh, my God.
LONGORIA: The Spanish land grant. And we still have the same land. But Texas is like that. People don`t realize, you know, especially with the census and everything that`s coming out, the increase of Latinos in America, immigration reform and all this of this anti-immigrant hysteria, there`s -- people forget the majority of Latinos in America are Americans.
BEHAR: Right.
LONGORIA: And they`ve been in the Americas for a very, very long time.
BEHAR: Does it tick you off when you see what`s going on in Arizona?
LONGORIA: Absolutely. Absolutely, because it`s unconstitutional. It`s an un-American and it targets all Latinos in America. It kind of groups us together in a common denominator, that we`re all illegal and we`re undocumented. And it`s just not true.
BEHAR: It`s nasty stuff.
LONGORIA: It`s dangerous.
BEHAR: Very nasty, very mean. What`s her name? That Sharron Angle, thank goodness she lost. I help getting her not elected.
LONGORIA: Right. The sheriff? Sheriff Arpaio, the crazy sheriff over there. You know, they`re trying to pass some legislation -- it`s not working, but that would question the birth right citizenship clause in the Constitution.
BEHAR: Right.
LONGORIA: When is the last time something has been challenged, you know, if you`re born on American soil, we`re going to challenge that.
BEHAR: What about what`s going would these birthers and President Obama? And Donald Trump running around asking to see his birth certificate?
The question is, you know, why does he have to show -- why should he lower himself to show his birth certificate? They did not ask -- as I said, they never asked George Bush for a library card, for example. They didn`t ask President Clinton for his birth certificate. Nobody. Only this man.
Do you think it has do with the fact that he`s black?
LONGORIA: I think, you know, obviously, there`s the institution of racism. And that -- you know, I love that Obama steers clear of that argument because he`s rightfully --
BEHAR: He`s above it.
LONGORIA: He`s way above it. And I`m glad that he doesn`t address it.
I think it stems from people don`t know why he is in the United States or they don`t know a lot about the misinformation they get and they kind of run with it. And that`s, you know, unfortunate.
BEHAR: Yes. All right.
LONGORIA: But I saw you dispute it all the next day which was great.
BEHAR: And he`s been getting some flak about it. But, you know, let him go and have a happy life.
Let`s talk about your book for a minute.
LONGORIA: OK.
BEHAR: OK. Now, what does this book -- tell the people were they should buy this book. Because there are a lot of cook book are out there.
LONGORIA: Right. Well, it`s funny -- I was talking to some friends of mine who also had a cook book coming out. And this isn`t -- my book, I love, because it is like a memoir of my life through food. I mean, it really is, a lot of great stories.
BEHAR: I like that about it.
LONGORIA: Yes, it says how I started cooking, why I started cooking. It starts with Mexican food because that`s the first thing I learned to cook, but then it kind of goes into American food. And it talked about -- I was on the bus with a tortilla, not a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. I don`t know what macaroni and cheese was. I didn`t know what beans were.
BEHAR: Oh, I understand it because when I was a kid, I took a class in painting. I held my brushes in a ricotta jar.
(LAUGHTER)
LONGORIA: Right.
BEHAR: It was a palio (ph) ricotta container with my brushes in it.
LONGORIA: Right. Yes. It`s simple little thing like that. Mine was a lard can, can of lard. So, I migrated to American cooking and then to European cooking -- French cooking, specifically -- and a lot of sauces. So, the book is very international. It`s very mix.
BEHAR: Do you have a favorite recipe?
LONGORIA: Those are my journey. Everybody`s favorite recipe is my tortilla soup recipe.
BEHAR: Tortilla soup?
LONGORIA: Yes, it`s really good.
BEHAR: Oh, a lot of cheese.
LONGORIA: The number one request -- no cheese.
BEHAR: No cheese?
LONGORIA: No, it`s optional. But there`s no cheese in tortilla soup.
BEHAR: I thought that gooey stuff in tortilla soup with the chips and gooey is the cheese, no?
LONGORIA: No, not mine. Mine is keso fresco, which is a really light cheese you put on the top and it is a sprinkle. No, tortilla soup, culturally, it`s very light brothy. It`s not thick and soupy.
BEHAR: And mucusy.
LONGORIA: Yes. It`s not that way. Don`t say mucus and my soup in the same sentence. People are not going to buy the book.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: I`m sorry. I know it`s not mucusy is the point. And even the suggestion -- I`m sorry.
LONGORIA: You know, we grew up on a ranch and we also had a lot of -- we grew our own vegetables and we grow -- we had citrus trees. Nothing went to waste. And so, like we had about a banana bread and I have a banana nut bread in there which is one of my other favorite recipes. We couldn`t wait for the bananas to go bad so we make banana bread.
BEHAR: Oh, that`s good because the bananas are annoying when they go brown. You can make banana bread.
OK. Now, these are some Twitter questions, Facebook and Twitter questions.
LONGORIA: Are you at Twitter?
BEHAR: Of course. You are too, right?
LONGORIA: I am, too, @EvaLongoria.
BEHAR: Yes, @EvaLongoria, everybody will go there now.
Somebody wants to know, how does Eva feel about being the hottest Latina ever in the history of the Latinas?
LONGORIA: Ever in the history of Latinas. I welcome it. No, I -- well, thank you.
BEHAR: Well, wasn`t Raquel Welch a Latina -- isn`t she a Latina, too?
LONGORIA: Yes. She`s half or part or something like that.
BEHAR: Rita Moran. Well, not Rita Moran, Margarita Moreno. Rita Hayworth.
LONGORIA: Margarita.
BEHAR: Margarita Consalo (ph), I think her name was or something like that.
LONGORIA: She was beautiful.
BEHAR: She was gorgeous.
LONGORIA: Well, that`s a sweet comment, especially amongst all of the women who have come behind me, Selma Hayek.
BEHAR: Selma Hayek is another one, right.
LONGORIA: You know, Penelope Cruz.
BEHAR: Penelope.
LONGORIA: Gorgeous. Sofia Vergara.
BEHAR: Oh, she`s a hot number.
LONGORIA: Yes.
BEHAR: She`s funny, too.
LONGORIA: She`s really funny.
BEHAR: She is very funny.
LONGORIA: Very, very funny.
BEHAR: OK. How did you choose the humanitarian projects you affiliate yourself with?
LONGORIA: You know, I`ve been an activist long before I was famous. So, it was a little easier because I had my own organic beliefs with what I wanted to work with. My oldest sister is special needs. So, I`ve always done thing with a special needs community. She has a recipe in the book.
And so, I started Eva`s Heroes, which is a foundation in San Antonio that helps special needs kids. And then I work with an organization called Padres Contra el Cancer, which is parents against cancer for Latino families who have children with cancer.
So, I`ve never had a child or a child with cancer. But I felt the Latino community is my community. And there`s a lot of health disparities. And so, for me, those were the reason I pick those. I do a lot on TwitChange and on Twitter. We do a lot of movements and raise a lot of money.
BEHAR: Well, good for you. You`re a good girl.
LONGORIA: Thank you.
BEHAR: You`re a good person, a lovely person. I really love you so much. You`re such an adorable girl.
LONGORIA: Congrats on your show.
BEHAR: Thank you very much. And on yours.
LONGORIA: Thank you.
BEHAR: And whatever next boyfriend you`re going to go with.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: The book is called "Eva`s Kitchen." And we`ll be right back.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: We`re back talking about plastic surgery.
It seems to be a bit of an obsession in this country. Just this morning, the woman who holds the world`s record for plastic surgeries was on "Good Morning America," talking about her 52 procedures. Watch.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Cindy Jackson has had $100,000 worth of cuts, pulls, peels, jabs and a whole lot of whatever that is.
CINDY JACKSON : It`s not just operations. I mean, I have 14 full scale operations with anesthetic, only 14. But I`ve had Botox, my upper and lower eyes done twice, five facelifts.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: Here to talk about all these plastic surgeries is Dr. Robert Singer, a board certified plastic surgery.
Let`s talk about this woman who had 52 plastic surgeries. She was on "Good Morning America." It`s a world record, supposedly -- although I don`t know. Maybe there`s somebody in another part of world that`s had more. But 52 -- I mean, that`s unbelievable.
Why would doctors say yes to so many surgeries? Shouldn`t the doctors say, "Come on, that`s enough"?
DR. ROBERT SINGER, BOARD CERTIFIED PLASTIC SURGEON: Well, somebody who has had that many surgeries, that`s a red flag for most doctors. Most ethical plastic surgeons evaluate patient`s motivation, motivate what they`ve had done, their general health. And, you know, it`s not infrequent that we say, no, you shouldn`t do this. This may not be in your best interests.
But some patients can be very convincing of when they want, a specific area, and it may improve that area. But somebody who`s had that many surgical procedures really, they need treatment. But surgery is not the answer for that. Somebody who come in and wants to look like someone else, that`s an unrealistic expectation that patient will never be ultimately happy with the surgery.
BEHAR: OK.
SINGER: So, good ethical surgeons evaluate patients that way.
BEHAR: OK. I only have a few seconds left. But what`s the line that plastic surgeons will not cross? What is it?
SINGER: Well, I think that defends on the valuation. Once sit in consultation with the patient, knowing what they want. Is it age appropriate? Are they sensible? Is their motivation correct? Do they have the proper medical background to do that?
And what are the specific risks? And do they understand those risks? Realize it`s not clay. It`s not like drywall. It`s human tissue. It`s not totally predictable.
BEHAR: Right.
SINGER: And, remember, complications can occur in any surgery -- cardiac, orthopedic. It`s is very unlikely, anesthetic surgery with a board trained plastic surgeon by the American Board of Plastic Surgeons, but they still can happen.
BEHAR: OK. Thanks very much, Doctor.
We`ll be right back.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: Former Minnesota governor Jesse Ventura`s latest book is called "63 Documents The Government Doesn`t Want You To Read." I hope one of them isn`t "TV Guide." That`s all I have to say. Jesse Ventura is here with me now. Hi, Jesse.
JESSE VENTURA, FORMER GOVERNOR OF MINNESOTA: Well, first, Joy, this says Jesse Ventura on conspiracy. This book has nothing to do with conspiracies. These are all legitimate --
BEHAR: Give it to me.
VENTURA: -- 63 documents that the government produced that we found. There`s nothing to do with a conspiracy.
BEHAR: Well, the fact that they don`t want us to see them sounds like a conspiracy. Is that fair?
VENTURA: OK. OK. I just didn`t want us to get confused because my last book was "American Conspiracies" --
BEHAR: Oh, oh.
VENTURA: -- and this book has nothing to do with the -- well, it has to do with conspiracies because, of course, there are documents that deal with 9/11, documents that deal with the assassination of President Kennedy and other things that have gone on in our country over the last 50 years.
BEHAR: Right. Right. So I saw you earlier today.
VENTURA: Uh-huh.
BEHAR: And you were saying that` you are going to run for -- you would like to run with Ron Paul. That sort of stuck in my head.
VENTURA: Well, I didn`t say that I would run --
BEHAR: You might, you could, you would.
VENTURA: I said if he would ask me and if he was independent I would give it very serious consideration.
BEHAR: Because he`s the only one you trust?
VENTURA: Yep.
BEHAR: To do what?
VENTURA: Well, he was the only congressman that had the courage to stand out on the floor and say that we need more WikiLeaks and he said -- and he said that WikiLeaks hasn`t killed anyone. How many people have died from the lies and deception of the intelligence in the Iraq war and also, he said the most profound thing and that is when in a free society, when the truth equals treason we`re in big trouble. When you tell the truth and you have people saying you should be charged with treason for telling the truth.
BEHAR: Well, is it -- Well, isn`t the answer to that that you put the troops at risk and you put Americans around the world at risk? And you, you know --
VENTURA: How?
BEHAR: Because you are spilling the beans on locations.
VENTURA: But --
BEHAR: I don`t know.
VENTURA: There`s been no location spilled.
BEHAR: Not yet. Not yet.
VENTURA: All has been released now, no one has died, no one --
BEHAR: Not now.
VENTURA: -- or gotten in any trouble --
BEHAR: True.
VENTURA: So until it happens, you can`t do it before it happens, you criticize it before it`s going to happen.
BEHAR: But isn`t it a slippery slope that this kind of exposure of private e-mails and things --
VENTURA: I don`t think so.
BEHAR: Could be dangerous?
VENTURA: Joy, last year, the government called top secret 16 million documents, 16 million documents you and I are not allowed to read.
BEHAR: Yes.
VENTURA: We have every right to see them. You know why? We pay taxes. That`s the spending of our taxes.
BEHAR: What happened to the Freedom -- Freedom of Information Act?
VENTURA: They drag their feet. They don`t produce it in a decent time.
BEHAR: They stall you.
VENTURA: They stall you to death.
BEHAR: So, it`s passive-aggressive.
VENTURA: Sure.
BEHAR: Ah-ha.
VENTURA: Sure.
BEHAR: That`s interesting.
VENTURA: Yes.
BEHAR: Now, you know, this week, what`s today, Wednesday. So, Friday there could be a government shutdown. Which -- I mean, again, let me bring the troops into that. Will they get paid if there is a government shutdown?
VENTURA: Sure they will.
BEHAR: They will?
VENTURA: Yes. I`m sure they will, because they are essential.
BEHAR: They are essential.
VENTURA: Yes, because if they fall under defense --
BEHAR: I see, but old people --
VENTURA: Old people aren`t essential.
BEHAR: Even if their lives are at stake because they can`t buy a dinner that night.
VENTURA: That`s the government. Yes. No, I disagree with that, but yes, they -- what they are saying is the military is essential. National defense is essential, but the old people, well, maybe they look --
BEHAR: And they did --
VENTURA: Maybe they look at it this way, if a few of them kick the bucket, they won`t have to pay out the Social Security no more and it will help the budget.
BEHAR: Now, talk about a conspiracy. But I mean, what about babies and young people who won`t get formula because their parents are not getting food stamps?
VENTURA: Well, what it does, Joy, is it shows something I have been harping on for years and that is the Democratic and Republican parties don`t give a damn about America. They put their parties first, and their political ambitions first. Their special interest, corporate donors first. We may be about fourth in line, but you know what? We can solve all that if the lemmings out there will think a moment.
BEHAR: I know. A nation --
VENTURA: Stop voting for Democrats and Republicans.
BEHAR: I know. You know you said that this morning and I really don`t think that people really feel like they are up to that yet. That there is an alternative to that.
VENTURA: Well, then take what you get.
BEHAR: You know --
VENTURA: People ask me how do you solve it, I tell them, OK, you don`t want to listen to me, then enjoy what you get, because you voted for it.
BEHAR: But you know what people do when they -- they hate both parties, they don`t vote at all. That is really not a solution.
VENTURA: Well, you know what they ought to have -- how about the option of none of the above on the ballot?
BEHAR: That would be good.
VENTURA: So where you can -- and imagine if you lost to none of the above, if you were a candidate and none of the above won.
BEHAR: That`s good. That`s good.
VENTURA: That would send a message.
BEHAR: Or just put a dog`s name there.
VENTURA: No, that would send a message, wouldn`t it?
BEHAR: Yes.
VENTURA: If you were running for Congress, a Democrat and Republican and none of the above beat you?
BEHAR: Yes.
VENTURA: You -- The leader would still get --
BEHAR: I like that.
VENTURA: Well, the leader would still get elected --
BEHAR: Yes.
VENTURA: Because he is -- but he would have to then go into office realizing he or she lost to none of the above.
BEHAR: To none of the above. Maybe none of the above could be the vice president.
VENTURA: So you are saying that`s what I am if I ran with Ron Paul, none of the above?
BEHAR: Maybe. Maybe you could win --
VENTURA: Actually Congressman Paul and I might have to flip a coin.
BEHAR: You know what I think really, what really happened recently that really makes me crazy is this ruling by the Supreme Court that says that corporations can contribute an unlimited amount of funds to a candidate.
VENTURA: What they said is corporations have the same rights as people. That tells you right there.
BEHAR: But don`t -- don`t people have a limit on how much they can contribute?
VENTURA: I don`t know. I never checked on it.
BEHAR: Individually. Yes, they do.
VENTURA: But that should tell you right there, that these two parties, that we are a fascist nation now, because fascism is when corporations and religion take over your government. Well, when you`ve got a Supreme Court that says a corporation has the same rights as you? That tells me there.
BEHAR: But what can we do about that? I find that so despicable and when that happened, I thought, well, that is the end of this republic, you know.
VENTURA: Yes.
BEHAR: That`s the end of this country that when they do something like that.
VENTURA: Well --
BEHAR: And how can we stop it? Because these -- those bozos on the Supreme Court --
VENTURA: Stop voting for them.
BEHAR: But we don`t vote for the Supreme Court.
VENTURA: No, but who appoints the Supreme Court?
BEHAR: Well, none -- listen --
VENTURA: The Democrats and Republicans.
BEHAR: Listen, Jesse. None of the above could also put an idiot in there on the Supreme Court.
VENTURA: I doubt it. None of the above don`t exist.
BEHAR: Well, OK, well that`s apparently, that storyline went nowhere. But I mean, see, to me that is what has to be corrected. I don`t think they should have lifetime tenure at the Supreme Court. I think you have people like Scalia and Clarence Thomas. Those people are dangerous people and they are basically running our country.
VENTURA: I will give you a better one. Why don`t we follow Mexico`s lead?
BEHAR: Have drugs all over the place?
VENTURA: No, politics. In Mexico when you run for president of Mexico, you get one six year term. Let`s make it one six-year term for Senate, Congress and president.
BEHAR: Good. And they can`t run again.
VENTURA: They can`t run again.
BEHAR: You know that if a congressman runs and wins and does two -- what is it -- about two year -- they get pensions for life and --
VENTURA: Well, not only that.
BEHAR: Oh my God.
VENTURA: Well, not only that. You know what else they get?
BEHAR: Health insurance.
VENTURA: Government run health care.
BEHAR: That`s right.
VENTURA: So all of these guys that are saying Obamacare, get rid of it, get rid of it, why don`t they set by example the hypocrites, and say, look, I`m not going to take my government run health care --
BEHAR: Yes.
VENTURA: But you notice those hypocrites don`t do it.
BEHAR: That`s exactly right. I`m on the same page with you.
VENTURA: Damn right.
BEHAR: And that`s -- they are unaccountable.
VENTURA: Does that scare you to be on the same page with me?
BEHAR: Well, in this particular instance, I am. I mean some of your sort of other theories, I don`t know if I go along with --
VENTURA: Yes.
BEHAR: You know, but that`s all right.
VENTURA: Well, remember, I do a lot of thinking.
BEHAR: That`s OK. I mean there are conspiracies around. I believe that to some extent.
VENTURA: Well, and you know what troubled me the most, Joy, about writing this book?
BEHAR: Yes.
VENTURA: -- was the fact that when you read -- we reprint all the documents, so everyone can read them themselves -- is the fact that we have great people, there`s great people in government, loyal patriotic people. But when you read this book you will see that our government, you could substitute the word Nazi and it would work.
BEHAR: See, now, let me tell you something, Jesse. Once you say the word Nazi everybody goes ballistic on you, because -- including Jewish people who don`t want any use of the word Nazi outside of where it really was in history, because of the tragedy of the Holocaust. You cannot like - - you can`t call.
VENTURA: I just said it.
BEHAR: I know that. But -- see, people get mad at that.
VENTURA: Why?
BEHAR: Because, first of all, it`s like --
VENTURA: Wait.
BEHAR: It`s the go-to --
VENTURA: We brought them here.
BEHAR: The Nazis?
VENTURA: Read in my book.
BEHAR: I know.
VENTURA: Of what -- and position, OK --
BEHAR: What was this name, Wernher von Braun, wasn`t he the great scientist? Yes?
VENTURA: Erich Traub, who created Plum Island --
BEHAR: Yes. I know.
VENTURA: I will give you an example. Fluoride in the water. Where did that come from? Nazi Germany. Why did they put fluoride in the water, you know what fluoride is the main ingredient for? Prozac.
BEHAR: But Prozac is not the major ingredient in fluoride. Want to come back in a month?
VENTURA: Sure.
BEHAR: OK. We`ll be right back.
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BEHAR: Eight little children may call Kate Gosselin mommy, but the grown-ups who run TLC call her money. In the season premiere of Kate plus 8, she took her brood on an Australian adventure. Watch this.
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KATE GOSSELIN, REALITY STAR: This was a life-changing event. These are memories my kids will never, ever, ever forget.
It`s so good to see you guys.
I think that it`s mind boggling to think that the nine Gosselins went to this country.
I caught your dinner.
And had a blast.
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BEHAR: With me now is the ever present on TLC, Miss Kate Gosselin. Hello, Kate.
KATE GOSSELIN: Hi.
BEHAR: I`m going to call you Katie. Isn`t that what your mom called you, Katie?
GOSSELIN: Yes, I haven`t heard that in a long time.
BEHAR: Katie. So, you took your brood to Australia on a 21-hour flight.
GOSSELIN: I did.
BEHAR: How was that? Tell me you had nannies that went with you? If I were on that plane, I`d kill myself.
GOSSELIN: I did. I had to two baby sitters with me and honestly, this is no lie, it was one of the best flights ever.
BEHAR: For who?
GOSSELIN: All of us. The kids got on the plane and fell asleep. I dreaded it. I dreaded the flight. I wondered --
BEHAR: Drugs? You gave them some drugs?
GOSSELIN: No, they were very tired and it was past their bed time until we got on the second plane, obviously.
BEHAR: Why? You have to go to Tahiti or something?
GOSSELIN: No, we had to fly Pennsylvania to L.A. and then we waited a few hours, ate dinner, I made them run around and we had a good time. And then they were saying, can we please get on the plane, we`re so tired and a lot of them were asleep before we even took off. I know. It`s shocking.
BEHAR: That`s really nice.
GOSSELIN: Alexis was sitting next to me and she said, at some point, Mommy, how many more hours do we have on this airplane? And I was like thinking, how do I break it to her, there`s four, plus hours, five maybe. And I said, like four, five, and she said, good, because I love this airplane.
BEHAR: That`s great. It`s like Cesar Milan, the dog whisperer says, you have to exercise the dogs and then they are tired. It`s the same thing.
GOSSELIN: Same thing. Yes. I had no idea. I should watch him.
BEHAR: You know, the paparazzi are always following you around in New York. Did they follow you around there? Did they know who you were there?
GOSSELIN: Yes, they did. They were there the minute we hit Sidney, landed, yes unfortunately.
BEHAR: So did they annoy you, the paparazzi?
GOSSELIN: Yes, they always annoy me and the kids. The kids love our camera crew. They love our show. They love going into adventures. The paparazzi are so annoying.
BEHAR: Why? What`s annoying about them besides --
GOSSELIN: They follow us. And well, there`s one actual part in -- that you will see where the paparazzi is there and they were like jockeying for their shot amongst our camera crew. And they started swearing in front of my kids and that is just unacceptable.
BEHAR: Well, you don`t want anybody to swear in front of the kids.
GOSSELIN: No.
BEHAR: Well, they have to learn to swear some time.
GOSSELIN: No. Un-agreed.
BEHAR: No. Not good.
GOSSELIN: Yes. I think the word is disagree, that`s the word. You know what I meant.
BEHAR: Yes. I know. That`s right. You don`t want your kids to swear so young. You wait until they are a little older. That`s how I see it.
GOSSELIN: Joy.
BEHAR: It`s not such a bad thing to swear, Kate.
GOSSELIN: OK.
BEHAR: Big deal. If it`s the worst thing they ever do; it`s just words.
GOSSELIN: Words, you say and you can`t get back.
BEHAR: That`s true. But mean words, like you`re stupid, you don`t want that.
GOSSELIN: No.
BEHAR: But what the -- is OK. All right, now a few months ago your 6-year-olds, Colin and Alexis were kicked out of school for fighting. Who were they fighting with, first of all?
GOSSELIN: They weren`t kicked out of school. They had medical issues that I`m not free to discuss but they had real issues that we needed to handle and they are doing great and they are reading and writing at a top level. And they are going to be integrated before the end of the school year back into school and they are doing wonderful. So --
BEHAR: Do you have home schooling?
GOSSELIN: I do. I have a teacher that is schooling them at home currently.
BEHAR: So it`s a medical issue? They weren`t acting out?
GOSSELIN: They were. There was -- obviously they were having adjustment difficulties. At that point when I pulled them, we didn`t know what the issues were. I mean a lot of parents face things that you go, oh my gosh, this was working and now it`s not. So we had to figure out what the problem was and they are doing great.
BEHAR: Do you think that all of this TV thing is hurting them in any way?
GOSSELIN: No, it has nothing --
BEHAR: You don`t think so?
GOSSELIN: I have six other kids who are excelling in schools and doing wonderfully and they are excelling at home. Sometimes one school or one situation doesn`t work across the whole family. And so when that happens, you have to figure out what the problem is and take care of it.
It did take me the better part of the school year and I`m glad to say that I`m now free to relax and know that everyone is doing well. That`s good.
BEHAR: You have to admit though, that the whole thing with John and the whole TV exposure, that must have had some kind of effect on the kids. They are not robots, after all.
GOSSELIN: Everything in life affects us. And I know that kids who go through a divorce are affected whether they are on TV or not. That was the main issue and it`s not fun. It wasn`t my goal for my kids. It wasn`t what I hoped for them. But you know, we`re dealing with what life sends our way and everything you can learn something from.
BEHAR: I`m one of those people who is on your side in terms of, that you`re a single parent. You don`t have really any other source of income to take care of all of these kids. So this is what you have to do. I mean I`ll go along with that on that one for you for sure.
GOSSELIN: It is.
BEHAR: Although a lot of people criticize you like you just went on to Twitter and they are turning on you already. What is it about you that provokes this type of negative attack? What is it?
GOSSELIN: I don`t know. I`m still trying to figure that out. I know that there`s a lot of single moms out there. I have more than the average number of kids and this is something that Jon and I started together. It was working then. It`s still working for me and the kids now. And we`re all happy doing it.
I`m working. They are running in and out of the frame and if they want to run off and not do what we`re doing, they don`t. If they don`t want to go along, they don`t.
BEHAR: How is your relationship with Jon these days?
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: -- at all, because I would?
GOSSELIN: No. I honestly, I don`t because I need to put my energy towards raising my kids. There`s not enough of me to go around even if I was married and had a happy marriage.
So he -- I respond positively to him and we deal with each other where the kids are concerned and I keep my words positive. I mean, I mean that. I don`t just say that. I need to look at what is best for the kids, what is best for the kids. That`s what I say to myself constantly.
BEHAR: He went kind of wild after the split. We kind of all know that and now he`s dating a 24-year-old girl. We have her name even, which I won`t even say. It`s none of my business.
But how tough was that for you? How tough is that to see? Because when you get a divorce and your husband goes off with another woman, even though you don`t want him, you don`t want anybody else to have him. Do you have that at all, that feeling?
GOSSELIN: Not at all. I`ve moved on. It`s not any of my business. It doesn`t affect me at all.
BEHAR: Good for you. How about you? Are you dating?
GOSSELIN: No.
BEHAR: No?
GOSSELIN: It`s just me, myself, and I.
BEHAR: And your brood.
GOSSELIN: Yes.
BEHAR: But do you -- would you like to date, I`m hoping it`s somebody with a vasectomy, I`m just saying.
GOSSELIN: Oh, my gosh.
BEHAR: You have enough kids, don`t you think?
GOSSELIN: I have -- yes, plenty. I mean, I would date if the right guy came along and he could, you know, withstand all that we`re going to throw his way, absolutely.
BEHAR: I know. It`s not easy to find a guy to just say, I want these eight children in my life.
GOSSELIN: Although my kids are loveable and wonderful and they would welcome the right person lovingly and willingly, yes, you`re probably right. Eight kids is pretty scary.
BEHAR: It`s tough. But you know, you could find somebody out there who is interested. Can I just suggest that the next husband have a lot of money?
GOSSELIN: Sure, I`ll take suggestions.
(CROSSTALK)
GOSSELIN: It`s probably not a bad idea.
BEHAR: You need money to raise these kids. The college educations alone are going to be enormous.
GOSSELIN: I know. That`s why I`m working like a dog.
BEHAR: You`re working. OK. We`re going to have more with Kate Gosselin in a minute, so stay right there.
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BEHAR: I`m back with Kate Gosselin. You and your kids famously joined Sarah Palin for a camping trip on her show, "Sarah Palin`s Alaska". We happen to have a clip of this incredibly interesting moment.
GOSSELIN: Oh, good.
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GOSSELIN: I don`t see a table. I don`t see utensils. I don`t see hand cleansing materials.
This is not ideal conditions. I am freezing to the bone; I have 19 layers on. My hands are frigid.
I held it together as long as I could and I am done now. I`m hungry.
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BEHAR: No utensils? Sarah Palin can`t afford a fork and a knife?
GOSSELIN: All I can say about that is I`m really glad I have a house with a roof and heat and air conditioning.
BEHAR: The outdoors life is not for you?
GOSSELIN: Not so much. No.
BEHAR: I understand that. So did you have -- are you friends with her now? Any plans to go moose hunting or anything with her?
GOSSELIN: I figured we should probably try to camp in 12 feet of snow next time because you should always up the ante a little.
BEHAR: You won`t do it.
GOSSELIN: No, really.
BEHAR: Did your kids get along with her kids?
GOSSELIN: Yes, actually.
BEHAR: They did.
GOSSELIN: And her girls are great. I mean, I would take Willow home with me. She knows it.
BEHAR: Yes. She`s a great kid. Bristol gets a little flack. She was on "Dancing with the Stars" like you, right? Bristol. Is she a nice girl, Bristol?
GOSSELIN: She is. She is -- I`m surprised she made it so far, not just -- she`s just very quiet and laid back. I mean, more power to her. She did great. She stuck with it, you know.
BEHAR: She needs to make money also. There is money to be made on television, as we know.
GOSSELIN: It was a job to me. It was a job to her. That`s what it is when you have kids.
BEHAR: I saw you on "Dancing with the Stars". What can I say?
GOSSELIN: Listen, nothing has not been said, so go for it. I`m here. I`ve got ears.
BEHAR: I said that you were dancing like you were avoiding land mines. Was that wrong? Was that too harsh of me?
GOSSELIN: No, it`s probably not the worst thing I`ve heard. That`s good.
BEHAR: Ginger Rogers you are not, but I give you points for going out there and trying. But now poor Tony Davaloni (ph), he now has Wendy Williams to dance with. The poor guy. What is it with -- neither one of you is really that good a dancer and he keeps getting the dancers who cannot dance, what is that?
GOSSELIN: They have a lot of trust in him.
BEHAR: Do you think you`re a better dancer than Wendy?
GOSSELIN: I don`t think I`m a better dancer than anybody who ever has taken a dance step.
(CROSSTALK)
GOSSELIN: All I can say, this season I`m glad to be sitting on the sofa watching it from home. I feel really comfortable there.
BEHAR: Yes. Do you have a favorite? Is there somebody that you`re going to vote for?
GOSSELIN: I`ve been splitting my votes to be fair, but I especially like Chelsea and Mark.
BEHAR: OK. Oh, I don`t have any time to ask you about your tummy tuck.
GOSSELIN: That was so many years ago, why do you care?
BEHAR: I don`t care. It`s on the page. You know, I have had botox, I use botox and so I --
(CROSSTALK)
GOSSELIN: Maybe we should talk about that.
BEHAR: Yes, I mean, it`s great. Botox is the greatest invention since Carter`s little liver pills.
GOSSELIN: OK.
BEHAR: I don`t use those either, but whatever.
Anyway, you can see all new episodes of "Kate plus 8" Monday nights on TLC.
Thanks for watching. And good night, everybody.
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