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New Details in Schwarzenegger Love Child Scandal; Interview With Andrew Morton
Aired May 19, 2011 - 21:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HOST: More of Arnold Schwarzenegger`s peccadilloes have come to light, and they are legion. He sleeps with the help. He fathered one love child, maybe more. He groped strangers. And he bankrupts an entire state.
So what else don`t we know about this guy? Will it be revealed that he sold bin Laden the herbal Viagra? Do he and Mel Gibson have a summer share in Haifa? As my late Aunt Rose wisely said one day, "Never trust a man who oils his nipples."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, more crazy details in the Schwarzenegger love child scandal. Arnold`s son with his maid was born just days after the birth of his son with wife Maria Shriver. Joy has the latest.
Then Princess Di`s friend and biographer tells Joy what Diana would have thought of the royal wedding.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She would have thought, well, I`m approaching 50; she`s taking the spotlight away from me. So there would have been a little jealousy there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Plus trainer Bob Harper previews the season finale of "The Biggest Loser".
That and more starting right now p.
BEHAR: We now know the identity of the woman who gave birth to Arnold Schwarzenegger`s love child 13 years ago. The "New York Times" says she is Mildred Patty -- that is her nickname -- Baena. The child`s birth certificate, as well as Baena`s divorce papers, reveals some new interesting details about the extramarital affair she had with Arnold.
Here to tell us all about it is Thelma Gutierrez, CNN correspondent, outside Miss Baena`s home in California. Ok. Tell me something, Thelma. What stands out from the child`s birth certificate at this -- that you know?
THELMA GUTIERREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I can tell you, Joy, that it`s really speaking volumes about the timing of this affair. When you take a look at that birth certificate, you see that this child was born just days after Maria Shriver gave birth to her youngest son, Christopher. And the man that`s listed as the father of this child is not Arnold Schwarzenegger. It says it`s the man who Mildred Baena was married to at the time.
BEHAR: And what about the divorce papers? Because she was married to this guy that she said was the child`s father, correct? And then she got divorced from him. What do the divorce papers say?
GUTIERREZ: Well, curiously enough, Joy, what we`re learning from those papers is that this woman actually separated from him three weeks after the child was born. So she lists him on the birth certificate as being the father. And then on the divorce papers that she petitioned for, she lists -- she says that they separate just three weeks later. And in addition to that, Joy, what I found very curious when I looked at them is that you know, you make the declaration as to how many children you have, if you have minor children with this person. She had checked off the box indicating that she did not have any children with this man.
BEHAR: Oh, that`s interesting.
GUTIERREZ: Her husband at the time.
BEHAR: Yes. No one picked up on that at the time, though. Right?
GUTIERREZ: Well, you know, I think what`s interesting is all of this is being revealed little by little. And now that it has become a scandal, of course, we have this huge magnifying glass and we`re all looking at all the details.
But no, it wasn`t revealed. This secret was kept for many years. This child is 14 years old. Many people want to know, what did he know? Did he know the truth about his heritage?
BEHAR: I would assume that he didn`t know too much because they might have been afraid that he would spill the beans. After all, he was a kid, and you don`t want to see him running to daddy and calling Arnold "daddy" in the middle of the house.
GUTIERREZ: Yes.
BEHAR: What about the neighbors in the area that Baena`s living? That`s in Bakersfield, California, correct?
GUTIERREZ: Yes, it is, Joy. And where we are in Bakersfield could be classified as an upscale neighborhood. The home behind me is very nice. This is an area of very well-manicured lawns. But I can tell you the neighbors out here say she made no secret of the fact that she worked for the Schwarzeneggers or even that she wanted to retire with her 14-year-old son here.
She had purchased this house last summer but hadn`t lived here full- time for 2 1/2 -- until 2 1/2 months ago. And people say that she kept a very low profile. They knew the son. They thought the son was lovely. He was very intelligent, very respectful and polite.
But Joy, I think what`s interesting is that he actually lived in this home full-time with a man that everybody here thought was his father.
BEHAR: Right. I wonder if the boy was lifting cars over his head.
GUTIERREZ: All I can say -- all I can say is they say he was very nice.
BEHAR: Ok, Thelma. Ok. Thanks very much.
Now I want to turn to my panel. Lisa Bloom, author of "Think: straight talk for women to stay smart in a dumbed-down world" -- oh, yes; Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst and family and marriage therapist. Welcome to the show, ladies.
BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Thank you.
BEHAR: Now, let`s talk to you about the divorce, the possible divorce. Maria hired prominent divorce lawyer Laura Wasser.
But people magazine is reporting that she isn`t sure that she wants to get a divorce. What, did she just feel like paying $600 an hour to some lawyer?
LISA BLOOM, THEBLOOMFIRM.ORG: It`s probably more than that. I practice family law in Los Angeles and Laura Wasser is probably one of the most expensive. Certainly one of the most well respected. But --
BEHAR: What do you think she charges?
BLOOM: Probably $1,000 an hour -- $800 to $1,000 an hour. Look, most people go to a divorce lawyer because they want to be divorced. However, Maria does have issues just being separated from Arnold because he`s legally obligated to support her. So she may want to wrap everything up in a very quiet day.
By the way, Joy, it just occurred to me, nobody`s talking about this, if Arnold bought this house for the housekeeper --
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BEHAR: This is what I read. He put -- this is what I read.
BLOOM: Ok.
BEHAR: He put $50,000 down and then left her to pay the mortgage and the maintenance.
BLOOM: Ok. But did Maria know about that because these are community property assets. So is he taking money that belonged to the two of them and secretly paying it off for his love child?
BEHAR: He had a separate account. All his money was separate from hers.
BLOOM: It`s still community property in California. It doesn`t matter if it`s in a separate account. No, during the marriage, during the separation it doesn`t matter where you put the money.
If I`m married, I make money, I put it in a separate account, it`s still half my husband`s unless there`s a pre-nup.
BEHAR: Maybe he gave her cash.
BLOOM: Yes. But it`s still community property. Maria had a right to know about that. When you`re married you can`t spend money on things and not tell your spouse. That`s the bottom line.
BEHAR: She didn`t. Ok. There`s a possibility she may not want to get a divorce. Maybe she`s Catholic, Maria, she doesn`t believe in divorce.
BLOOM: She`s separated.
BEHAR: Maria, why do you think she may not be sure? Is it about the religion? I mean Bethany, I`m sorry. Bethany, what do you think?
MARSHALL: Well, I think women who stay with men who cheat often do so because they cannot integrate the destructive actions on the part of their spouse into the reality of what they know about him. She cannot hold together the good side and the bad side. It`s like if he comes home with roses but he was gone for two weeks, all she`ll see is the roses and she won`t be able to see the fact that he disappeared for two weeks. That`s the psychology of the woman who stays.
If she were my patient, I would help her to integrate both sides. I would say you want a wonderful life with a man who loves you, would never betray you, has your back, adores you, and yet this person deceived you for 14 years or longer.
BEHAR: Or more.
MARSHALL: Consistently lied, had sex possibly in the marital bed. And I would say, do those two things go together? And she would have to sit there in front of me and say no, Dr. Marshall, those two things do not go together. And I would help her to integrate that.
Besides, there`s one report I read that this maid wore her jewelry.
BEHAR: Yes.
MARSHALL: Had sex in the marital bed.
BLOOM: Oh, stop. Make it stop.
BEHAR: Well, she --
MARSHALL: Had fantasies --
BEHAR: She wanted to be Maria, Bethany. She really did. And what better way to be Maria than to sleep with Maria`s husband?
BLOOM: Yes. And there`s reports that she said I`m a better wife to him than Maria is. I mean can any woman look at this story and not have our skin crawl?
BEHAR: I know. It`s a pretty sick story.
Go ahead, Bethany, finish your thought.
MARSHALL: It means that this woman has the psychology of a thief. She wanted another person`s husband, life, marital bed, money, and jewelry. And not only that, but Arnold had sex with someone who had the psychology of a thief. He made a horrible choice.
And what that tells me, was Arnold envious toward Maria? Her wonderful breeding, her education. She`s popular. She is well loved. This is what we saw with Christie Brinkley and Peter Cook. What did he do? He had envy toward the great Christie Brinkley that everyone loved. He had sex with a younger woman. And he tore the great Christie Brinkley down and --
BEHAR: The great Christie Brinkley, as much as I love Christie Brinkley, was married three times before Peter Cook. So there are issues with Christie Brinkley too. So let`s not canonize Christie.
BLOOM: And we shouldn`t just pile on the other woman. That is always the tendency in our culture. I mean Arnold is the one that made vows to Maria.
BEHAR: Do you think Bethany -- do you think she`s piling on Maria?
BLLOM: A little bit. And look, there`s a lot of tabloid reports about this woman. She isn`t speaking. I think probably because she`s being paid to keep her mouth shut. The longer she keeps her mouth shut the more I`m going to believe that there`s a confidentiality clause in place as part of the money that she`s getting for the house and for her support.
But look, I means it`s easy to pile on somebody -- especially somebody who`s a housekeeper, these are second-hand reports that she said that she wanted to be Maria, et cetera. Arnold is the one that made the vows. Arnold is the one that cheated on Maria --
BEHAR: Right.
BLOOM: -- that ruined the life of his kids at least in the short term. I mean he`s the one primarily responsible here.
BEHAR: That`s true.
MARSHALL: It`s true but given the fact that he did that, you would have to ask -- I would ask Maria too as my patient, why do you think your husband needed to be so deceptive towards you for so many years? Why do you think he got his jollies at your expense? Why do you think he had to sneak in order to get his needs met? Why instead of just having a sexual affair did he choose one where there was a power differential?
BEHAR: Yes.
MARSHALL: Why did he run for office knowing this and not only did he deceive you but he deceived the citizens of California?
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BLOOM: The other question I have --
MARSHALL: That kind of deception is profound.
BEHAR: Ok, last word. I`ve got to go.
BLOOM: -- you know, this little boy -- does Arnold have a relationship with him because he`s entitled to have a father?
BEHAR: He -- well, he was told the child was his when the child was a toddler.
BLOOM: Ok. But has Arnold been there as a father for this kid?
BEHAR: We don`t know that.
BLOOM: Obviously not because they had to keep it a secret.
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BLOOM: The kid deserves a dad.
BEHAR: Obviously the story`s going to go on and on and on.
MARSHALL: Right.
BEHAR: So thank you ladies very much. We`ll be right back.
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BEHAR: Princess Diana`s friend and biographer Andrew Morton has a juicy new book out called "William and Catherine: Their true story -- Their Story." And I can`t wait to read it. I really can`t, Andrew. As soon as I`m done with Levi Johnston`s new masterpiece, I expect to crack this book.
Joining me now -- Andrew Morton. Welcome, Andrew, to the show. Ok.
ANDREW MORTON, AUTHOR, "WILLIAM AND CATHERINE, THEIR STORY": Hi.
BEHAR: I really do expect to get right into this as soon as I get through Johnston`s book. Because you know, that`s really going to be up there with "Gulliver`s Travels."
MORTON: Yes, well this is -- I think this will be more interesting for you.
BEHAR: I think so.
MORTON: And funnier.
BEHAR: And funnier.
So you know I was interested -- you knew Diana. I love to say Diana because that`s how the Brits say it. But you knew her quite well, and you claim that she was actually -- she would have been jealous of -- of the new Princess, Catherine.
MORTON: Oh, yes, Diana. I mean look, she`s a woman. And she would have thought, "Well, I`m approaching 50, I`m passing the fashion baton on to this young girl who looks great and she`s on the -- she`s taking the spotlight away from me."
So there would have been a bit of jealousy there but at the same time she would have been very proud of the way that William has handled himself.
BEHAR: But I mean was Diana that kind of girl, who only wanted attention on herself?
MORTON: Well, I remember very well that when Fergie first -- I think you might find this unbelievable -- when Fergie first came into the royal family, she was quite jealous of her; the fact that she was taking the attention away, that she seemed to enjoy life inside the royal family, whereas she just found the whole thing an absolute royal pain.
BEHAR: Let`s talk about Fergie, then, since you mentioned her.
MORTON: Yes.
BEHAR: The woman was not invited to the wedding. She is the aunt. I thought that that was outrageous even though she did try to sell access to her ex-husband, Andrew.
MORTON: Well, the royal family`s edict on Fergie is that she`s vulgar, vulgar, vulgar; and that`s what they think about her. And when she was -- when she had her toes sucked by her financial adviser, because remember what goes up can also come down, and she -- she was thrown out into the outer darkness. She was -- and when she tried to sell access to Prince Andrew, they just -- they wanted nothing to do that.
BEHAR: But they`re such a bunch of hypocrites, first of all. I mean yes, she had her toes sucked. Their son Charles famously said he wanted to be a tampon inside Camilla. I mean, talk about trashy. How much trashier can you get than saying something like that?
MORTON: Well, absolutely. But that was when Prince Charles and Diana, their marriage was just about over. You`re absolutely right --
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BEHAR: What`s the difference? You never want to be a tampon. I don`t care where you are -- or who you are in life. That is really --
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MORTON: It`s a pretty low ambition, isn`t it? I have to -- I have to say, Joy, it`s a bit below the belt, that kind of thing.
BEHAR: It really, very much so.
Now you know, do you think that if Diana were still alive she would start to look like the queen a little bit? They all sort of morph into -- like Andrew was so beautiful as a young boy, and now he`s starting to morph into Charles. Would Diana start to morph into like -- not that she was related --
MORTON: Camilla.
BEHAR: Into Camilla?
MORTON: I hope not. I mean, remember, she`s a Spencer for a start. And she`s -- she`s -- I mean, the royal family are all quite short and Diana`s about 5 foot, 10 1/2". And I think she`d have looked far more like a Princess Grace, a Grace Kelly figure; very international, very glamorous. I`m sure that by now she would have married, you know, an American billionaire, some guy with all the toys.
BEHAR: You think so?
MORTON: Yes, I think so.
BEHAR: Or a rock star?
MORTON: No, a billionaire. They`re safer.
BEHAR: Really? What about Charles? Is he ever going to be king?
MORTON: Well, all the opinion polls since 1992, since my book on Diana, have all said that they should skip a generation and go directly to William. That`s the last thing William wants. But I mean and -- and Prince -- Prince Charles has been waiting for all of his life to become king.
BEHAR: Is it ever going to happen?
MORTON: Give -- give the guy a chance.
BEHAR: It`s never going to happen. That old lady`s never going to die.
MORTON: The Queen will live forever, as they say.
BEHAR: The Queen will live forever. Her mother lived to be 104.
MORTON: 101 or something like that. Yes and I mean, Charles, when he`s -- he`s going to be a very old pensioner. When he -- when he -- if he can actually manage to get up the steps to the throne.
BEHAR: Yes, isn`t that sad?
Now, what about, Diana said that she called the royal family "The Firm". Are they like the Corleones? Were they sort of like the mob to her or what? The firm like the John Grisham book. Is that what she meant?
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MORTON: You know, every single -- every single, yes every single. Well, they`ve always been known as "The Firm" because every -- every single royal family -- never mind the Windsors -- always get their power by the sword or the bullet or the gun. I mean, yes, of course. I mean, and then they legitimize themselves by calling themselves king or queen.
BEHAR: Well, they have a terrible reputation, the royal family. See, I see them as a people -- the people who are on the -- sucking on the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) of the Brits. They`re on the (EXPLETIVE DELETED). That`s my impression.
MORTON: Well, I mean -- I mean, certainly during the `90s there`s a real move against the royal family especially after Diana`s death.
BEHAR: Yes.
MORTON: And when -- and remember when Windsor Castle burned down and the queen expected the public to pay for it. The public said no, open up Buckingham Palace, charge a fee. And so the royal family are very aware these days that it`s all on sufferance. That they`ve got to, as it were, give value for money. And --
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BEHAR: Did you see the movie "The Queen" --
MORTON: Yes with Helen yes.
BEHAR: -- with Helen Mirren? How true is that movie, do you think, is it accurate?
MORTON: Well, a friend of mine was at Buckingham Palace and he asked the Queen exactly that question. And the Queen said well, the movie was very interesting. But she also added, typically, there were a few mistakes.
BEHAR: But she didn`t say what they were?
MORTON: No, she didn`t say what they were.
BEHAR: The whole part about her when she had to finally speak to the British people and say you know, Diana`s gone and da, da, da, and we really feel bad about it. And someone says to her, well, how do you feel, are you ok doing it, and she said, "Do I have a choice?"
MORTON: Yes.
BEHAR: I thought that told you volumes about where she was at, which is that she did not want to do it, that she really resented Diana. She was annoyed that she died that put her in this position.
MORTON: Well, the royal family cast Diana into the outer darkness. They wanted just a private funeral, just go off to pass Spencer family home, have a private funeral. I mean as far as they were concerned, she was no longer a member of the royal family, so why should she have a semi- state funeral?
BEHAR: I know. It`s unbelievable.
But when we come back, I want to ask you if you think Harry is actually Charles`s biological child. We`ll be right back.
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BEHAR: I`m back with some more royal dish with Andrew Morton and his new book "William and Catherine: Their Story". So is Harry Charles`s biological story -- son, or can we pin this on Arnold Schwarzenegger?
MORTON: I think that`s one of the -- I think that`s one that you can`t pin on the sperminator. It`s the one thing that actually used to drive Diana mad, the idea that Harry was in some way James Hewitt, her lover`s son.
BEHAR: Yes.
MORTON: Because she hadn`t even met Hewitt at the time.
BEHAR: Oh so, you don`t think it`s true?
MORTON: No.
BEHAR: But he doesn`t look like the rest of them.
MORTON: But during my career following the royal family there`s always -- Prince Philip, for example, allegedly has a secret family in Cyprus, in Australia, in Wales, in Germany. I mean before that Edward VIII, somebody on a gravestone in Canada`s got the fact that she was the wife of Edward VIII and had a secret child by him.
So there`s all these legends and rumors spring up around the royal family.
BEHAR: I see. Now, what about Harry and that Nazi uniform he wore to that Halloween party? You know, the British family --
MORTON: All in good taste, of course.
BEHAR: But there`s a lot of German in the royal family. They were all related to each other. And when Edward abdicated the throne back in the day, before World War -- when World War II was about to start, they said that he went off with Wallis Simpson because he was in love with her. But I think it`s because he was a Nazi sympathizer and they said to him get out, we cannot have you, we`re fighting the Germans.
What do you say to that?
MORTON: Well, there was a real attempt by Hitler to woo Edward VIII. And then there`s a very famous picture of Edward VIII and Wallis Simpson meeting Hitler and almost doing a Nazi salute. And during the Second World War it was a Nazi plan to abduct Edward VIII from Madrid -- from Portugal and also from the Bahamas and then make him the leader of a party to take over England if it was run over by -- overtaken by the Nazis.
BEHAR: Really?
MORTON: Yes.
BEHAR: And did they think that Edward would go along with it?
MORTON: They felt he was the man to do the job, the man to as it were be the fifth column for the --
BEHAR: Because he was into it -- because he was into the German thing.
MORTON: And during the First World War, remember, they --
BEHAR: I don`t remember, Andrew. I`m not that old.
MORTON: Well, I do. I`ve got a longer memory. The family was called Saxe-Coburg and Gotha which was German town. And they changed it cleverly to Windsors. So that whole thing is done.
BEHAR: What about Harry? Do you think he has a little bit of an affinity to the Germans or was that just fun?
MORTON: Well, that was just bad taste. It`s like something out of "The Producers".
BEHAR: Ok. Now, one more question. I only have 30 seconds left.
What about the hats? Beatrice and Eugenia`s hats. Let`s look at those hats again. I mean where do they come up with those things?
MORTON: I have to say, if they were in a Jersey Shore wedding, they would have looked a bit subdued. But it was the royal wedding, and Catherine looked very restrained, very elegant. So those hats looked a little bit sudden, shall we say, by contrast.
BEHAR: I think that they -- don`t you think they looked demented? Come on.
MORTON: It looked like something out of a Disney character -- a Disney movie like "Cinderella". They were the ugly sisters. But the great thing is they`ve actually auctioned the hats for charity, and they`ve raised a few quid for charity, which is great.
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BEHAR: The book is called "William and Catherine: Their Story". We`ll be back in a minute.
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BEHAR: Here`s a new slant to the Schwarzenegger story that just keeps coming in. Not only was his dad a member of the Nazi Party, but Arnie made a toast to his friend and former Nazi leader Kurt Waldheim at his own wedding. Should Maria have goose stepped out right then and there?
Here to talk about that and Arnold`s long history of bad behavior are Laura Brounstein, entertainment director of "Self" magazine, Jim Florentine, comedian and co-host of "That Middle Show" on VH1 classic; and Lisa Ann Walter, actress and author. Oh, the name of the book is "The Best Thing About My Ass is that It`s Behind Me."
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BEHAR: The title alone is brilliant.
LISA ANN WALTER, ACTRESS: Thank you.
BEHAR: We love it.
WALTER: Thank you very much.
BEHAR: OK. So, Laura, should Maria have walked out at the wedding?
LAURA BROUNSTEIN, ENTERTAINMENT DIRECTOR, SELF MAGAZINE: I think Maria knew exactly what she was getting into -- at the wedding, before the wedding, and I think all these things that everyone is finding out now and -- oh, so surprised. Oh, he was a Nazi or he said these things or he had these affairs. She knew what she was getting into.
BEHAR: By the way, just a little point here. Arnie would eventually disavow Waldheim, who was the U.N. -- the head of the U.N. at one point, and then it all came out he was in the Nazi Party back in the day. He disavowed Waldheim during his governorship thing.
BROUNSTEIN: But didn`t he mention it in a toast at the wedding?
BEHAR: Yes, he did. But then he pulled it back.
JIM FLORENTINE, COMEDIAN: She`s related to the Kennedys, so she knows back behavior`s going to go on. She likes a guy that`s rough around the edges because that`s what she grew up around and Arnold was. So she liked that bad behavior. And, you know, it came back to bite her in the ass obviously.
WALTER: I don`t know about that. Do you really think that she knew - - everyone in Hollywood knew. I`m going to say right out, there are two rules when you get to Hollywood as a young actress. You avoid Arnie and Piven. And that`s it. You don`t know --
BEHAR: Jeremy Piven?
WATLTER: Yes, Jeremy Piven. I`m one of the five he --
BROUNSTEIN: He wants to go out for tuna sushi or in general?
WALTER: No. But the truth is --
BEHAR: That`s interesting.
WALTER: I think she heard all of the same stuff. But no, you could tell at a certain point in that marriage when she found out because she got really thin and apparently he was telling her that she was heavy or something.
BEHAR: Or too thin, something about her body.
WALTER: But you know what`s so weird is that people are now looking at the housekeeper, and I`m surprised you didn`t already go to the joke about -- oh, but she`s heavy and she`s not as pretty as Maria. And this is how we know it has nothing to do with how we look because they would just like something new.
BEHAR: Or something available.
WALTER: Yes. That`s it.
BEHAR: Something available.
FLORENTINE: Why do you think I was going to go there with that?
BROUNSTEIN: Because you generally tend to be a pig, Jim Florentine.
FLORENTINE: I don`t believe that --
BEHAR: And we now know that Jeremy Piven is also.
FLORENTINE: I don`t know, I never met any woman named Mildred that was hot. I`ll leave it at that.
BEHAR: Mildred Pierce. OK? Kate Winslet.
FLORENTINE: Next thing you know an apple`s going to come out of the woodwork. Or Gertrude. Yes.
WALTER: Maybe because she was taking care of the home and she was housekeeping and taking care of him and he was attracted to that.
BEHAR: OK. Now, back in the `70s, Arnold posed nude for a gay magazine. Did you know that?
FLORENTINE: Did I know that? I`ve got a copy.
BEHAR: This is a copy of the "After Dark" magazine, which is -- inside I guess are the nude pictures. But then he went on to veto two gay marriage bills as governor. Hypocritical, would you say?
FLORENTINE: Well, yes. I mean, look, bodybuilding is very gay to begin with. There`s a lot of homoerotic stuff going on. Guys are on the bench and there`s a guy spotting him with his crotch in his face like, "Do it, do, it come on, come on." You know?
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FLORENTINE: So, you know something shady was going on.
WALTER: You did that really well, Jim.
FLORENTINE: Come on. My spotter`s in the green room.
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BEHAR: You know, not only was the gropenator. He was also the groupinator. The guy likes group sex. He was into a lot of crazy stuff. Why would he get married?
WALTER: Well, but this is what they do. Once they go through everybody they could possibly have and every combination of four and five and six and young boys and everybody else, then they`re like I`ll get married and I can stop all that. But they don`t. And there`s nothing that said that that guy was going to stop. He came on to me, Joy.
BEHAR: Who did? Schwarzenegger?
WALTER: Arnold Schwarzenegger. I was outside of Gold`s Gym because I got my hair done next door, on my way to the car, and he was standing there with a bunch of guys and they made the whistles and the cat calls.
And I`m not going to lie. I`m like, Arnold Schwarzenegger just said I was hot. Whoo! I guess I must be hot. Like it didn`t upset me.
BEHAR: Yes.
WALTER: But he wasn`t keeping it on the DL. He was like fresh.
BEHAR: He was out there.
WALTER: He was fresh. Yes.
BEHAR: Laura, did you want to say something about it?
BROUNSTEIN: Just I think it`s all a matter of not thinking rules apply to you when you`re a certain level of fame and power. And it`s thinking you can get away with anything. You can give these interviews and say these crazy things about group sex outside of Gold`s Gym and get away with it.
BEHAR: But he`s gone over the -- I mean, there are now allegations, which we`ll read more about, I guess, from a girl who was 16 when he had sex with her. I mean, there`s stuff here that`s not good.
WALTER: Listen, it was -- when he was coming out -- when they were coming out with the stories in the "L.A. Times" when he was running and they shamed those 16 women that accused him and 11 of them like gave their names but other people were afraid, it was all women that were stunt women and people who were working as assistants. It wasn`t Sherry Lansing that he was groping in the closet.
BEHAR: No, no. And Sherry`s a hot name.
WALTER: Hot.
FLORENTINE: Absolutely.
BEHAR: OK. Let`s try another Nazi story, OK?
Director Lars Von Trier was in Cannes to promote his new movie with Kirsten Dunst when he went on a bizarre rant. Watch this clip from the telegraph.
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LARS VON TRIER, DIRECTOR: What can I say? I understand Hitler. But I think he did some wrong things, yes, absolutely. But I can see him sitting in his bunker in the end -- he`s not what you would call a good guy. But yes, I understand much about him. And I sympathize with him a little bit. Yes.
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BEHAR: OK. Kirsten Dunst is like get me out of here.
FLORENTINE: Looks like every suburban housewife at a party with their drunken husband who says stupid things with that look like get out of here.
WALTER: She wants to stuff her fist right in his mouth. Like my career!
BROUNSTEIN: I mean, and this is her big comeback. She looks beautiful. She`s at Cannes. She`s like in this big movie. Then she`s sitting next to the director and she`s watching the whole thing like spiral (ph) --
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: And he said that -- he apologized now. "I`m known for provocations but I like provocations when they have a purpose, and this had no purpose whatsoever because I`m not Mel Gibson. I`m definitely not Mel Gibson."
No, Mel Gibson was worse. Mel Gibson is really -- what kind of man hits a woman while she`s holding a baby? He`s worse. I`m sorry. But --
(LAUGHTER)
WALTER: We`re not going to argue.
BEHAR: He also says he was kidding. Do you think he was kidding? And is he worse than Mel Gibson?
FLORENTINE: Anyone that`s going to make Nazi comments, there`s going to be a problem, like don`t they learn? No one has ever go, you know, what maybe he had a point. That`s never come up.
(LAUGHTER)
FLORENTINE: So you make it, there`s going to be a problem.
BEHAR: That`s right.
WALTER: And the way he said it was like it`s not like I agreed with everything he did, like the 6 million, 20 million people he killed, but there are people who can make a Nazi joke. Mel Brooks can do springtime for Hitler and we`re like OK, Mel.
BEHAR: He can do it.
WALTER: That`s what I`m saying. I can make a wop (ph) joke. It`s OK. These are my people.
BEHAR: Don`t say that.
WALTER: I`m sorry. Guinea?
BEHAR: No.
WALTER: What have you got?
BEHAR: All right. OK. Now, they expelled him from the film festival. I thought that was a bit much. What do you think?
FLORENTINE: I`m going to go see the movie not because he said that but because, all of a sudden, this seems pretty interesting. He got a lot of publicity out of it.
BEHAR: I mean, did you ever see the movie "Dancer in the Dark" with - - what`s her name? Bjork. The one with the swan outfit that day. Remember?
This movie was a bomb, and it got -- it was bestowed its highest honor at this same festival. I mean -- so, they don`t know what they`re doing.
BROUNSTEIN: He makes some dark movies. But it seems like every day, there`s another story about somebody in something related to France saying some anti-Semitic comment and everybody`s coming out --
BEHAR: It`s on the rise. This pro-Hitler sort of feeling going on. It`s really ridiculous.
WALTER: Yes, but I mean, is this where Cannes drawing the line? Because, apparently, they were fine with the pedophiles, because they kept inviting --
BEHAR: Roman Polanski.
WALTER: Yes, Roman Polanski kept coming back every year, but they`re like no, we draw the line at the Nazi jokes.
BEHAR: Maybe they`re afraid of the Jews there.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: OK Moving on. Let`s do another, one more topic. This is a good one. Activists in San Francisco have collected enough signatures to put a proposal to ban male circumcision on the November ballot. They say circumcision is dangerous. Well, maybe if the doctor is Lorena Bobbitt.
But what do you guys think? Are you circumcised, Jim?
FLORENTINE: Yes, I`m circumcised.
BEHAR: Thank you for sharing.
FLORENTINE: And I`m glad I am because it`s less feeling and I need all I can get. And I have a nine-month-old son and I just got him circumcised.
BEHAR: You did?
FLORENTINE: Yes, absolutely.
BEHAR: What age did you got him circumcised?
FLORENTINE: Three days old. And I actually kept the foreskin.
BEHAR: Oh, yes. That`s what you do now.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why?
FLORENTINE: I was just joking with the doctor --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is it good for your skin?
BEHAR: (INAUDIBLE) DNA.
FLORENTINE: I was going to make a necklace out of it.
BROUNSTEIN: Perfect.
FLORENTINE: I was joking, I go can I keep the foreskin? And he`s like, and he just laughed and then 10 minutes later, he goes here it is. He brought it in in a jar. And now I have it in my freezer. I can`t get rid of it.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: What they do with the belly button now is they put it in a vault or something and you save it for DNA. If the future --
WALTER: That costs a fortune.
BEHAR: Stem cell -- whatever. You have to pay for it.
WALTER: I`m just sort of curious as to where they`re -- because what they said is they`re not even going to allow it for religious reasons. Like even if you say you`re Muslim, you`re Jewish, you`re supposed to do it. Where does this come from? They are that intent on keeping us pure?
Because you can`t tell me there isn`t a lot of plastic surgery going on in San Francisco. If you can find me in that same voting district that there is no doctors doing labia reductions or rejuvenations of our area --
BEHAR: Labia reductions?
WALTER: They do that. That`s what I`m saying.
BEHAR: Why would you want a tiny labia?
WALTER: I don`t know. It`s an erogenous zone. It`s not just a flap got put there to keep out ants. It has a point.
(LAUGHTER)
FLORENTINE: Are you saying --
WALTER: It also keeps out ants. But I mean, it`s supposed to feel good.
BEHAR: It`s multitasking.
WALTER: That`s it.
FLORENTINE: Are you saying you wouldn`t get your labia redone -- reduced?
WALTER: Absolutely not.
BEHAR: And she`s going to stick with that.
Before we go, I`d just like to make a couple of points for people watching. Circumcision can help prevent STDs, bladder infections, penile cancer. Male circumcision reduces rates of cervical cancer for women. So, there. All you crazy people in San Francisco.
Thank you guys very much for joining me tonight. We`ll be back in a minute.
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ANNOUNCER: Coming up next on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW -- is doomsday really upon us? Joy tries to make heads or tails about Saturday`s impending apocalypse.
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BEHAR: According to one Christian group, the end of the world is coming and it`s coming this Saturday around 6:00-ish. I don`t know if they mean Eastern Standard Time or Rocky Mountain Time. Anyway, all I need to know is whether I should cancel my scrabble tournament next week.
So, joining me to discuss this and to tell me what to do are: Father Edward Beck, religion contributor for ABC News and the executive producer and host of the Sunday Mass on ABC Family Channel. And Max Lucado, pastor of Oak Hills Church in San Antonio and the author of "Max on Life: Answers and Insights to Your Most Important Questions."
Welcome, gentlemen, to the show.
FATHER EDWARD BECK, RELIGION CONTRIBUTOR, ABC NEWS: Good to be here.
MAX LUCADO, OAK HILLS CHURCH: Thank you.
BEHAR: So, Father, good to have you here.
So, Father Beck.
BECK: Yes.
BEHAR: What do they believe will happen as the clock strikes 6:00- ish?
BECK: Now, by the way, it`s 6:00 in your time zone.
BEHAR: In my time zone.
BECK: So it`s going to happen on the West Coast at 6:00 but then you have to wait -- it`s going to happen ripple effect.
BEHAR: No, it will happen on our -- 6:00 here.
BECK: No, but then it will ripple effect. So, you`ll be able to see it happening elsewhere as it happens. It will be delayed. So, 6:00, wherever you are, your local time.
What he says is going to happen is a big earthquake is going to happen, OK?
BEHAR: But that happened already a couple months ago.
BECK: But this is going to be much bigger, though. This is a worldwide earthquake. The righteous are going to be taken up in the rapture.
BEHAR: Yes.
BECK: And those who are not saved are going to be left writhing on the earth floor, and there will be damnation for them.
BEHAR: Really? So what category are you in?
BECK: You know, the funny is they`re saying like 114,000, that`s it, are saved. That`s like one block in Brooklyn.
BEHAR: That`s nothing. That`s my building.
BECK: Exactly.
BEHAR: Are you kidding me?
BECK: So how many of us are not getting in?
BEHAR: Max, go ahead.
LUCADO: Yes, , I think you can stick with your scrabble game. I wouldn`t -- I wouldn`t change your schedule. And I think I probably ought to go ahead and pay my cable bill. I do -- I really do believe in the return of Christ, but I really do believe that no one knows when he`s going to return.
BECK: Right.
LUCADO: And if somebody says it`s going to be a specific date, then what we know is that that date is not the day. It could be Friday. It could be Sunday. But I think Saturday, it`s not going to happen.
BEHAR: But, Max, I understand that some believers are holding rapture parties and that you believe in the rapture. Are you holding a rapture party? And who`s catering it?
LUCADO: Yes. And what kind of food do you serve?
BEHAR: Yes.
LUCADO: I guess you could eat anything you`d want, right? I mean, there`s no concern about diet at that kind of party. You know, really from my perspective, the Christian posture is to live prepared. That I wouldn`t change my lifestyle or I wouldn`t make any decisions based upon the day Christ is returning because I would want to be ready anytime and hopefully live in such a manner that when he would return, it would -- I wouldn`t have to do any last-minute preparation for his coming.
BEHAR: Well, Father Beck, why do you have to have Jesus return? Why do people say they want Jesus to return? The Christians do.
BECK: Because there`s a scriptural notion that there will be a second coming.
BEHAR: And then what will happen?
BECK: Well, the redemption of the world will have taken place with the second coming of Christ. Everything will be complete in salvation history. So, the idea is, when he returns, we`ve come to a certain completion.
BEHAR: I see.
BECK: How that will happen, when that will happen, as Max just said, the Bible says you won`t know the day nor the hour. So, anyone who says they do is a false prophet.
BEHAR: I see.
BECK: In the Old Testament, they stoned false prophets.
BEHAR: OK. The guy behind all of this rapture stuff and all --
BECK: Yes. Harold Camping.
BEHAR: -- is a guy named Harold Camping. He also predicted the end of the world in 1994. He was wrong then.
So, why would we believe him now, Max?
LUCADO: Well, I don`t think we should believe him now. I don`t. I think --
BEHAR: People do. A lot of people, Max, have sold their houses. They`re moving out. This is true.
You know, in Italy something happened. In Rome, they`re moving out of Rome and everything, preparing for this.
Is this guy, Harold, and the rest of these people who believe this going to reimburse all these people?
BECK: Hey, you know what? He`s 89. He`s 89. Every day is almost his last day. So, it`s easy for him to say this.
BEHAR: Exactly.
BECK: OK?
BEHAR: You know, it`s funny. What`s his name? Stephen Hawking has recently said -- you know who Stephen Hawking is, right? The great neuroscientist or something, he`s the most brilliant. He communicates through a computer.
He has ALS. He cannot function from the neck down. Yet he got married three times. I don`t know.
You know, men can find a woman no matter what. The guy cannot communicate -- only from the neck up and yet he`s married three times.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s cerebral.
BEHAR: It`s unbelievable. But he says that people who believe in an afterlife in heaven are just afraid of the dark. Your response?
BECK: I think that that`s not true at all. And I think that you can easily believe in the afterlife and not have it based in fear. Because we want to know, I think, and live in the fact that we`re going to live on, our spirits will live on. I believe that about people I love who have died.
BEHAR: Max, do you believe in a heaven with like there are angels and floating people around, all that stuff?
LUCADO: I really do. I really believe the Bible calls this the great day, and it`s the great day in which Christ will inaugurate -- will graduate from this life into the next. There`s just too much suffering and pain in this world to think that this is all there is. And then when you place your belief f in a resurrected Christ, his promise --
BEHAR: Yes.
LUCADO: -- is that he will return, and that really this is just the first step in our eternal existence. I tell you what? I`m placing all my hope in that day.
BEHAR: OK. You know, this Stephen Hawking is 69 years old. He has had ALS since he`s 21 years old. If anybody should believe in an afterlife, it`s him. And he doesn`t.
BECK: I know. And he has that --
BEHAR: Because the next life should be better for him than this one has been.
BECK: That`s true. But the value of this is that you should live each day like it`s your last. I mean, that`s the takeaway here.
BEHAR: Well, I agree with that. Party down, baby.
BECK: Well, let`s do it. Steak dinner tonight?
BEHAR: OK. We`ll be back in a minute. You got it.
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BEHAR: Well, summer is coming and I`m just wondering how I`m going to fit into that sexy little bikini I have. Maybe I should start buttering my thighs now.
Joining me with some weight loss tips is "The Biggest Loser" fitness trainer Bob Harper.
Welcome to show, Bob.
BOB HARPER, FITNESS TRAINER: Joy, I am such a huge fan of yours and I can`t believe that I`m not sitting in that studio with you right now.
BEHAR: I know, but you live on the other coast. What can I tell you?
HARPER: I know. I got to -- I got to come to the other coast because I`ve got to be in a room with you. You crack me up.
BEHAR: OK. Let me start by asking you a couple things. I read a study, listen to this one, that if a person visualizes eating a lot of a certain food, they will then consume less of it and therefore lose weight. Do you buy that?
HARPER: I think that`s the craziest thing I`ve ever heard, Joy. I don`t get the idea. I`m supposed to think of a lot of really bad food and I`m not going to want to each as much of it?
BEHAR: Yes, that`s right.
HARPER: I would think I would want to eat more of it.
BEHAR: They`re saying the opposite is true. OK, so, scratch that idea.
Let go to your thing. On "The Biggest Loser," the contestants work up to six hours day. Now, I think that`s really over the top and it`s not going to happen in real life.
HARPER: It`s not realistic and I tell people all the time you should never, ever compare your weight loss to the weight loss you see on our show. These guy are in a boot camp, Joy. I mean, these guys -- they don`t go to work, they don`t take care of kids, they don`t have to go grocery shopping. All they do is just work out. They`re completely confined.
BEHAR: Well, so how many hours a day or hours a week do we have to really exercise? Come on. Give me a realistic number here. Come on, Bob.
HARPER: I`m going to give you absolutely a realistic number, Joy. What I would tell people, if you`re trying to lose weight, I would want to you work out for about 30 to 45 minutes a day four to six times a week. I mean, there`s 24 hours in a day. I`m sure can you find time to do that, right?
BEHAR: No, I can`t. OK.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: All right. Now, you know, this is short segment, so I want to you give me your top three tips to lose weight for the summer. Go ahead.
HARPER: Well, I think the top -- the top three tips would be you got to keep your body hydrated, right? You got to eat your breakfast. And I`ve created these great weight loss products that are really, really beneficial to people. They`re really going to give them the extra little boost you need. I think people are trying to lose weight and I want to give them every single tool that I can.
BEHAR: OK. Very good. Drink the water, doesn`t skip a meal and visualize an enormous amount of lasagna so you won`t eat any of it.
HARPER: Please don`t do that. Please don`t do that, Joy.
BEHAR: All right. Now, tell me about Bob Harper`s Smart Success. What is that?
HARPER: Well, it`s my weight loss products that I`ve put together. It`s like -- working with overweight Americans as long as I have now, it`s like what I try to do is I try to teach people this: you got to exercise, you got to eat right and now, I want to put together these weight loss products that would give you that extra little boost. Now, I think that people are always looking for just somebody in their corner who is going to like to have me in their corner.
BEHAR: OK, I hope they`re safe.
HARPER: They are safe, of course.
BEHAR: OK. For more information on Bob Harper`s program, go to his Web site bobharpersmartsuccess.com.
Thank you for watching. Good night, everybody.
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