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Countdown to Freedom; Octomom`s Airplane Battle; Murdoch`s Mess; Interview With Cast of `Curb Your Enthusiasm`
Aired July 11, 2011 - 22:00 ET
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ANNOUNCER: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, with Casey Anthony less than a week from freedom, why did she reportedly reject a jailhouse visit from her mother?
Then the cads of California are back. Arnold Schwarzenegger may be trying to get together with his mistress while Mel Gibson was seen stumbling out of a Malibu bar. Joy will have all the dish.
Plus the cast of "Curb Your Enthusiasm" was here. Larry, Susie and Jeff talk to Joy about the new season and taking risks in comedy. That and more starting right now.
JOY BEHAR, HOST: The public anger caused by the Anthony acquittal has not died down. And Casey, her parents, and the jurors have reportedly been receiving death threats. Meanwhile, more signs that Casey`s relationship with her parents may be beyond repair.
Here now to talk about this and more are Mark Lippman, attorney for George and Cindy Anthony; and Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst and marriage therapist; plus Jane Velez-Mitchell, host of "ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ- MITCHELL" on HLN.
Now one of Casey`s attorneys, Cheney Mason, was on NBC`s the "Today" show this morning. Listen to what he had to say.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is this family relationship beyond repair?
CHENEY MASON, CASEY ANTHONY`S ATTORNEY: I don`t know that anything is ever beyond repair. But I would say the odds are pretty strong that it is. She may have a relationship in the future with her brother at some point. I may expect that, don`t know when or how. But I think with the parents that`s pretty well burned.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, Mark, Casey reportedly denied a jailhouse visit from her mother this weekend. Is Mason right? Is that relationship pretty much kaput?
MARK LIPPMAN, ATTORNEY FOR GEORGE AND CINDY ANTHONY: Well, let me comment on what Mr. Mason had said. I was just surprised that he was willing to disclose anything that has to do with attorney-client privilege. And I know I`ve been echoing that over and over and over as far as my clients are concerned. But Mr. Baez had given me other information regarding Cindy and wanting some sort of relationship there.
But I don`t know that the two of them agree, Mr. Baez and Mr. Mason, on whether or not their client is saying one thing to one person and something else to Mr. Mason. But like Mr. Mason said, I don`t know that the door is going to be shut completely from a relationship with the family.
BEHAR: Ok. Now Jane, Cindy, the mother, she mouthed "I love you" to Casey during the trial. Do you think that feeling is mutual?
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST, "ISSUES": Well, no. I don`t think it`s mutual. I think a lot of Casey`s dysfunctional behavior was an attempt to get away from her parents and have an independent life. And we know that Cindy tried to do a jailhouse visit with Casey, and Casey said no, I don`t want to see you, mom.
Imagine, many people feel that Cindy perjured herself to save her daughter. Then after all that, "No, I don`t want to see you. You`ve sacrificed your life for me. I`ve destroyed your life, the whole family`s imploded, but no, I don`t want to see you."
BEHAR: Uh-huh. Bethany, let me ask you then -- how do you think that went down between the two of them? And do you think she can repair her with her brother even though she`s accused him of molestation?
Well, that remains to be seen.
Joy, what we know about the disorders that fall from sociopathy to anti-social to narcissism is that these personalities love to gravitate towards people who fluff them up and gratify to them but hate the people who see right through them.
So in Casey Anthony`s minds, in the eyes of her defense she`s the big cheese. But in the eyes of her family, these are the people who see that she has feet of clay. And remember, with her fiance and with Tony Lazzaro, her mother rushed to these guys and said, why would you want to be with somebody who`s going to take you for all you`re worth?
So Cindy is the one who lifts the veil and exposes her daughter. And I bet you Casey has not forgiven her for that.
BEHAR: But Cindy -- don`t forget that Cindy went on the stand and said that she was the one who was Googling chloroform, remember, which helped her daughter. Doesn`t Casey owe her mother a little something for that, Bethany?
MARSHALL: Well, you and I know she does. But you know, with personality disorders, grudges go on and on and on. In fact, my patients with personality disorders, when they describe the axe that they have to grind against other people, there`s kind of a timeless quality. For instance, they might say, you know when my husband did that horrible thing to me, and they`re talking about an incident from ten years prior. So there`s a timeless quality to it.
BEHAR: I see.
Ok, let`s talk about the death threats, mark. There are reports that Cindy and George are receiving death threats.
LIPPMAN: Sure.
BEHAR: Is that true, first of all?
LIPPMAN: Yes. I mean, it`s been a variety of things. We haven`t found anything really credible yet. But it`s my office and my clients and it`s something along the lines of, you know, "I hate Casey Anthony, I hate your clients, and I hate you, and I hope you all die." Unfortunately we consider that a death threat. Versus we`ve had one from a gentleman who said he was going to drive down from where he`s located and go directly to my clients` house and take care of them. So whatever that means, we have to interpret that as a potential threat.
BEHAR: Yes.
LIPPMAN: There`s nothing that has raised our level of concerns quite yet.
BEHAR: Well, how are they handling all that?
LIPPMAN: The Orange County Sheriff`s Office, which is a phenomenal agency, has set up -- their sector chief has been in contact with my client. And from there they`ve been monitoring my clients very closely, even -- they`ve taken the situation as far as where the people were parking on the street, and they stopped all the parking on the street.
BEHAR: Yes. No, I mean --
LIPPMAN: They`re really watching out for my clients. How are the --
BEHAR: How are the Anthonys handling it?
LIPPMAN: They`re taking it day by day. I mean if there`s anything credible, certainly they`ve let Orange County Sheriff`s Office know. But so far, I think it`s just a lot of people voicing their opinion about the verdict more than anything else.
BEHAR: Ok. All right. Let`s talk about the jury, Jane.
The jury foreman said again that they did not say she was innocent, but they said she`s not guilty. It`s a little bit different. And he felt disgusted by his -- that his signature would be on the same page as Casey`s. If so many of these jury people feel this way, why did they all so easily agree to let her go?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that`s a very good question, Joy. I would have respected the jury`s decision a lot more had they spent more time analyzing the case. Less than 11 hours including lunch and picking a foreperson as well as studying the jury instructions -- when did that leave time for studying the evidence?
And juror number three spoke publicly and said, well, they didn`t prove this, they didn`t prove that. Some of the things that she mentioned, had she studied the evidence, the prosecution did address some of these issues.
So I respect the jury`s decision. But I -- I really wish they had spent more time. They would have had more credibility, and I think they would have been getting less flack had they really taken the time to analyze the evidence. Maybe asked a few questions.
BEHAR: Yes. And take --
MARSHALL: Joy --
BEHAR: Go ahead, Bethany.
MARSHALL: I really think what the jury did is they made a lot of what we call misappraisals. A misappraisal is when you equate two things as identical that are not identical. So if George Anthony had an affair, he must be shifty. If they had a pathological child, the parents themselves, there must be something wrong with them.
But the thing is that the public is making the same misappraisal now with the jury. If the jury acquitted her, they themselves must be as bad as a baby killer. It`s like someone saying if their fiance wants a pre-nup they must not love them. If a guy buys you a big ring, he must love you more.
And I think it also tells us the collective rage we have in our society towards bad mommies. A huge segment of our society imagines themselves to have been mistreated and abused by their own parents, and they have identified themselves with little Caylee Anthony.
BEHAR: I see. That`s interesting. I mean, they are getting death threats also; the jury is getting death threats. So what you say is making sense. Now Jane, a motion was filed to release the video of Casey`s reaction when she learns that a child`s remains were found near her home in December. What exactly is on that tape?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I`ve got the motion right here, and that`s potentially explosive. This was when on December 11 the remains were found. What they did is they took Casey Anthony into the infirmary, they put her in front of a TV set to watch the breaking news, and then they secretly videotaped her.
According to published reports, what happened is before anybody knew it was Caylee, just that remains had been found, she begins to double over twice and hyperventilate which prosecutors say was a consciousness of guilt. And that`s why they didn`t allow it into the trial because it was so inflammatory and so prejudicial. Well now --
BEHAR: Bethany --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now they could let it out. Now they could let it out and it is going to be inflammatory except she`s been acquitted. So it`s too late.
BEHAR: It`s too late for that --
LIPPMAN: Yes. There`s nothing they can do with that.
MARSHALL: My understanding -- you know what, my understanding is that a couple of weeks prior she had watched a body being searched for in the park. And she did not get anxious and double over then. So that to me is very telling.
But I think anxiety can be also associated not only with consciousness of guilt but claustrophobia -- claustrophobic anxiety like your -- the shackles are getting tighter. You`re thinking of yourself as going behind bars and never getting out. So I think it was a claustrophobic response, too.
BEHAR: Ok. Really fast, Mark. She`s going to be released on Sunday. Does she have somewhere to go? Casey?
MARK: Her attorneys are telling me that they have taken care of her and they`ve taken precautions to make sure she gets there safely.
BEHAR: Ok, thanks very much, everybody. We`ll be back in a minute.
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BEHAR: On a flight to L.A. actress Kristen Johnson from "Third Rock from the Sun", got so annoyed, she walked off the plane after Octomom Nadya Suleman failed to keep 12 of her screaming kids under control. TMZ got this footage of Octomom`s brood after the incident.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No one knows. No one knows. Hey Nadya what happened with Kristen Johnson on the plane -- did you know it was Kristen Johnson from "Third Rock from the Sun?
NADYA SULEMAN, OCTOMOM: I don`t know of anything, I haven`t watched TV in ten years. I have no idea --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh yes, the lady that got mad and walked off the plane earlier. She`s not kid-friendly, huh?
SULEMAN: I don`t -- I guess there`s some people who don`t like kids. They can`t do what I do.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But you are superwoman.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: She`s not superwoman, she`s super-uterus, let`s get that straight.
Here to discuss this and more on pop culture news, are comedienne Kathleen Madigan, actor Eric Balfour and Rachel Sklar, media critic and editor-at-large from mediaite.com. Where did you come up with that? Mediaite -- it doesn`t exactly come off your tongue easily.
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RACHEL SKLAR, MEDIA CRITIC: Exactly.
BEHAR: Now, Kathleen, are you team Kristin or team Octomom here?
KATHLEEN MADIGAN, COMEDIAN: I would be upset with NBC for paying for that crap. They`re the ones who bought the tickets.
BEHAR: I know.
MADIGAN: I mean and she`s so broke you could have put her on Greyhound she would have shown up.
BEHAR: I know.
MADIGAN: She`s just trying to get more press.
BEHAR: Why does she even bother? They don`t pay on the "Today" show. They just gave her the flight.
MADIGAN: Because it`s more press and keeps it going. I think they should make Ann Curry and Al Roker fly with those children. You wanted them, you got them.
BEHAR: Yes.
SKLAR: I actually would love to see that. That would be great ratings.
ERIC BALFOUR, ACTOR: We are talking about the same woman who decided she wanted to have 27 children. I mean, there`s not much logic there in general. Is there?
BEHAR: No.
MADIGAN: No.
BEHAR: She`s not really rational. I don`t think --
MADIGAN: And why is NBC still interviewing her? What is left to say --
SKLAR: Moms are so hot right now, Casey Anthony rating in the Twitter -- yes but she hasn`t killed hers --
BEHAR: No moms. No wait a minute. Wait, wait let`s clear something.
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MADIGAN: Or allegedly. Sorry, I`m not a lawyer.
BEHAR: First of all, she was found not guilty, number one. Number two, I don`t think you put the two of them in the same sentence.
SKLAR: I was just kidding.
BEHAR: I know you were. Don`t try this at home, Rachel.
BALFOUR: That -- that video was a great thing to show young men for birth control.
BEHAR: Yes, I know.
BALFOUR: I mean if anything ever would convince you that would be it.
BEHAR: When Kristen told the Octomom to keep it down, this is what she said, "How would you like me to keep eight 2-year-olds quiet," she said to her. She has a point.
MADIGAN: Right.
BEHAR: How can you keep eight 2-year-olds quiet? You can`t.
MADIGAN: Well, you can`t unless NBC sent one adult with each one of those children. You see what I mean --
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BEHAR: Even so, one child can start screaming like that? It doesn`t matter how many.
MADIGAN: Right.
BEHAR: Yes.
MADIGAN: But they`re sitting in business class, she sits in business class. I find the mother to be more annoying than the children.
BEHAR: Yes.
MADIGAN: I would have rather sat next to the screaming kid --
BALFOUR: The kids were probably fun. I mean, the kids can be entertaining on the plane, you can play hide and go seek with them, you can throw things at people with them.
BEHAR: You can open the door?
Now, do you think that they should have like -- the thing about it is that she was in business class, right? Now when you get bumped up because -- all of us, we don`t fly business -- first class in this group. We can`t afford that. It`s thousands and thousands. But you can get bumped up with -- with mileage.
BALFOUR: Right.
BEHAR: Now you`re in first class. Should they allow children there? Because other people are spending thousands of dollars to sit there?
SKLAR: It`s already part of the first class experience to have 8 screaming children in your ear.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: I don`t know I think --
BALFOUR: I actually don`t think there`s --
MADIGAN: It`s really still all the same plane though, I mean, if you`re in coach in row four, I`m going to hear Danny the lunatic 4-year-old in row two.
BEHAR: I don`t know would you?
MADIGAN: I don`t know how you can --
(CROSSTALK)
BALFOUR: I think what you do is --
(CROSSTALK)
MADIGAN: Unless it`s like the Catholic Church and you make a cry room in the plane.
BALFOUR: But you have -- you have Octomom and her you know, gaggle of kids and then, maybe you get, you know, "Kate plus 8" and you have like a battle royal.
BEHAR: Right those kids are playing over to them.
BALFOUR: And -- and then, give the whole thing to them.
BEHAR: Maybe they should have children-free flights that people pay extra for.
MADIGAN: And then you could avoid them.
SKLAR: I think that`s actually a great idea.
(CROSSTALK)
SKLAR: I would rather have people paying for that than paying extra for every single bag.
BEHAR: Ok, let`s talk about Arnold Schwarzenegger, ok. He`s apparently in phone contact with his baby mama Mildred Baena (ph) and is reportedly considering a face-to-face reunion with her and their son Joseph.
In fact, he -- he spent so much time on the phone with her, the guy has no time to grope anyone. Oh these are really bombing tonight. Inappropriate and bombing.
But you know, after the week of Casey Anthony, I don`t know, I don`t really know how to do this anymore.
MADIGAN: I think --
(CROSSTALK)
BALFOUR: You had a very heavy week, huh?
BEHAR: I really don`t.
MADIGAN: I think the son is the only person who will take his calls anymore.
BEHAR: The kid?
MADIGAN: Yes, the new kid. He`s the only one excited about his behavior.
BEHAR: Yes.
BALFOUR: If you`re the kid and you don`t know who your father is all your life and then, one day you find out my dad is the Terminator --
BEHAR: Yes.
MADIGAN: It`s awesome.
BALFOUR: It`s kind of cool, right?
BEHAR: Yes.
MADIGAN: But it`s not awesome if you`re the rest of the family, the other kids going, oh great, now we have two sad Christmases, thanks, dad. But this kid -- this kid`s like, I`ll talk to him, put him on. He`s awesome.
BEHAR: Do you think Arnold is really interested in hooking up with this woman, or does he just want to get his house cleaned?
SKLAR: Oh he was at one point. We know that.
BEHAR: Yes. I know but I mean, do you think this is -- what`s going to happen to this group? I mean, Maria is out of the house and in a hotel, charging him thousands every day which I love.
MADIGAN: Right, which I love. And bought the $10 million mansion not far from his, which I love even more.
BEHAR: Yes, right. I mean, and also do you think that they should mix up the families?
MADIGAN: That`s their decision. Right?
BALFOUR: What was the old saying --
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SKLAR: Yes.
MADIGAN: Let`s take this function to a higher level.
BALFOUR: Of if everybody -- or if you just keep this going and everybody just, you know, keeps having sex with each other, we`ll all be the same color one day, it will be a beautiful thing. It will be like the United Colors of Benetton.
SKLAR: How do if get from family Christmases if everybody having fun --
BALFOUR: I`m just saying like you know, let`s -- it actually could end up being a good thing. Because he comes from Austria or --
SKLAR: Austria.
BEHAR: Yes. Yes.
BALFOUR: Yes, so they`re a little bit, you know, a little bit Aryan in their --
BEHAR: A little bit Aryan? Hitler is Austrian.
BALFOUR: Well, I mean, I was trying to be. Ok, you are less politically correct than I was. I don`t want -- you know, it`s not like that.
BEHAR: I`m not saying -- I`m just saying you want to talk Aryan, Adolph Hitler himself was Austrian.
BALFOUR: Are you comparing Schwarzenegger to Adolf Hitler?
BEHAR: No, I`m not. I`m just giving you a fact. I`m giving you a fact. I`m not comparing anything. This is so bad -- ok, more pop culture on the way. Sit tight.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up later on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, from the hit series "Curb Your Enthusiasm": Larry David, Susie Essman, and Jeff Garlin.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: I`m back with my panel.
Ok, listen to this. Rupert Murdoch, that media muckety-muck is in trouble. It was revealed that the employees of his British tabloid, "News of the World", which is like "Star" magazine with a British accent, allegedly hacked into the phones of not only celebrities and politicians but murder victims, too. Ok.
Now, it`s one thing to hack into Hugh Grant and even Cameron, the prime minister, et cetera. But people who die -- families of people who died in 9/11, people who -- a girl who was missing and got murdered and they hack into her family`s -- what do you make of all this?
KATHLEEN MADIGAN, COMEDIAN: Well, I don`t know -- I think he`s going to lose his bid to buy whatever --
BEHAR: Skynews.
MADIGAN: Yes. You can`t -- you can`t let this -- I mean -- and they`re going to say he didn`t know. Come on -- maybe he doesn`t. He`s like 150 years old. I don`t understand why the man`s running around shopping for anything at that age. But --
BEHAR: He`s not shopping for a pair of pants. He`s shopping for a --
MADIGAN: I understand -- which is even weirder because at 150 pants would make sense to me. You might need pants. You don`t need a giant empire.
BEHAR: Skynews is CNN --
BALFOUR: But even if he claims he didn`t know or did know or didn`t know, the saying goes the fish rots from the head down.
BEHAR: That`s right.
BALFOUR: And he created -- he created this beast that is world news, and he set this up to be this entity and to be flamboyant. So you have to --
SKLAR:A Have his leadership in place.
BALFOUR: Yes. You have to take responsibility for that at some point.
BEHAR: He has this woman, what`s her name?
SKLAR:A Rebecca Brooks.
BALFOUR: I love the e-mail --
BEHAR: His right-hand person to take care of all -- she`s the editor- in-chief of the magazine. She`s going to be the one who`s going to have to take the hit. He says she`s innocent. How does he know that if he doesn`t know anything?
SKLAR: This is the thing. You know --
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MADIGAN: I guess he saw it on Fox News.
SKLAR:A -- he`s really covering here. She`s apparently tried to submit her letter -- tried to submit her letter of resignation twice and has been politely rebuffed. They shuttered "News of the World". She keeps her job as head of his media interests. Meanwhile she was the editor-in- chief at the time this was all going on. It definitely smells rotten.
BEHAR: A lot of people are out to get Rupert because he has hacked into these people`s stuff. But also he had a lot of control over politicians in England. And now they`re going to have payback day.
Now, what about Fox and "The Post"? He owns both of those.
BALFOUR: Well, he owns all of them.
BEHAR: Rachel, what do you think is going to happen?
SKLAR:A You know, it`s hard to know. I think Rupert Murdoch is so powerful and so connected that it`s like an oil tanker. You know what they say about how it takes a lot for an oil tanker to turn but when it does. So are we at that fulcrum right now. It sort of feels like that.
Rupert is having to answer to a lot. He`s been very insulated by his power and by the diversity of his interests and by his connections. But this is starting -- it was such like a broad scandal and so reckless and so -- just implicated so much that it`s sort of difficult to do anything but shame him.
BEHAR: We`re going to see. But you know, before we go, I would like to show you Mel Gibson as he staggered out of a restaurant bar the other night. Let`s watch it for fun.
He looks like he just lost his motorcycle which was under his pants.
MADIGAN: Wait. There`s no reporting of a rant?
BEHAR: No.
MADIGAN: No Jews around, what?
BALFOUR: Wait. Let`s give him a little credit. At least he was getting into a smart car.
BEHAR: Yes.
Ok. You can check out Eric Balfour in the season premiere of "Haven" Friday night on Sci-Fi. And for information on Kathleen`s national tour, go to kathleenmadigan.com. We`ll be right back.
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BEHAR: Belligerent, duplicitous, foul-mouthed -- but enough about Dick Cheney. I have the cast of "Curb Your Enthusiasm," which just began its eighth season on HBO. Let`s take a look at something.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Give me a [ bleep ] ride. What`s the matter? Why can`t you give me a [ bleep ] ride?
LARRY DAVID, ACTOR: You know what, I got it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What?
DAVID: Sit in the back seat, I`ll give you a limo ride.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Larry, I don`t want a [ bleep ] limousine. Just open the [ bleep ] door. Give me a ride. I don`t want to drive -- I`m hysterical, don`t you see that I can`t drive, I can`t focus, she might be - -
DAVID: Ah, Get in.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Make such a big [ bleep ] deal. I ask for a little ride across town. What? What are you waiting for? Why are you driving like a snail?
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BEHAR: Joining me now are the pep boys, Manny, Moe, and Jack, Larry David, Jeff Garlin, and Susie Essman, here they are. Applause, applause, applause, please.
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DAVID: That scene was way out of context.
BEHAR: It`s out of context. Would you like us to not show it?
DAVID: It`s too late now.
BEHAR: It`s too late.
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SUSIE ESSMAN, ACTRESS: The mouth and the --
BEHAR: No, no, don`t worry about that. That gets fixed in post.
ESSMAN: They fix that in post, OK.
BEHAR: That will get fixed -- we don`t know what it is. We know that there`s some relationship between the two of you that`s run afoul.
DAVID: You mean -- how unusual.
BEHAR: Exactly.
DAVID: Shocking.
BEHAR: Now, I did not see that episode, but I did see the one where the Palestinians and the Jews have an issue.
DAVID: Yes.
BEHAR: So -- what is it with you and the Jews, Larry?
DAVID: I love the Jews.
BEHAR: I know you do. I know you do. Do you get in trouble with that?
DAVID: I`m sure I`ve gotten in trouble with them. Yes, I can`t think of a specific show. Do you remember --
ESSMAN: Ski lift.
DAVID: Oh, the ski lift, yes.
BEHAR: What was that?
ESSMAN: He was pretending -- I have a Tictac in my mouth.
JEFF GARLIN, ACTOR: I swallowed mine -- what are you doing? You`re not a pro.
ESSMAN: I`m sitting with my best friend and you two, OK, I feel at home.
DAVID: OK.
(CROSSTALK)
ESSMAN: Larry was pretending to be an Orthodox Jew and talking in this Yiddish -- trying to do this fake -- good morning.
DAVID: Yes, yes. And then I had -- I pretended I was speaking in Hebrew in the restaurant.
ESSMAN: Correct.
DAVID: And -- [ indiscernible ]
GARLIN: What was the name of your band?
DAVID: Larry David and the Hipsters.
BEHAR: And then there was another--
DAVID: So anyway, it was sundown on the ski lift.
BEHAR: Right.
DAVID: Yes. And I`m on the ski lift with her, and the Orthodox Jews, you can`t -- they can`t be alone with a man after sundown.
ESSMAN: A woman can`t --
DAVID: A single woman.
ESSMAN: A single woman.
BEHAR: So -- how about before sundown?
DAVID: They can. That`s OK, yes. So she wanted me to jump off the chair that`s taking us up to the top of the mountain. I look down, I go, are you out of your [ bleep ] mind? Jump?
BEHAR: They didn`t like that.
DAVID: Apparently there was a problem with that episode.
BEHAR: They do -- and then there was another thing where you -- the survivor thing where you had --
DAVID: Oh, the survivor, yes.
BEHAR: Somebody from the show "Survivor" competing with a real survivor of the Holocaust.
DAVID: Yes.
BEHAR: How did that work with the Jewish community?
GARLIN: Well, there were some in the Jewish community that objected, yes.
(LAUGHTER)
GARLIN: The only time that I remember actually any trouble being was the peeing on Jesus.
DAVID: Well, that wasn`t --
(CROSSTALK)
ESSMAN: He didn`t pee on Jesus, he splashed --
GARLIN: No, he splattered, but I`m saying they insinuated that he had peed on Jesus.
ESSMAN: Right, exactly.
GARLIN: That was the only time I remember a big problem where people were actually questioning me about it.
ESSMAN: Yeah, me, too. Larry sees an opportunity -- there`s been many handicapped issues, Tourette`s, every religion --
BEHAR: Tourette`s, people get mad. I`ve done Tourette`s jokes on "The View," they turn on me. And you know, when a Tourette`s person starts -- it`s worse than you.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: But -- so I was going to bring this up because Tracy Morgan, you know, he`s in trouble for saying certain thing. The latest one was he doesn`t want to go out with a woman who has a retarded son because --
(LAUGHTER)
GARLIN: I know. I know.
BEHAR: Because the kids are big and they`re like chimps, he said, OK. So Tracy got into trouble.
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DAVID: Did he really?
BEHAR: Yes, he got into trouble.
DAVID: Oh, I`m so surprised that he got into trouble for that.
BEHAR: You don`t get into as much trouble. Tracy had to apologize and everything.
GARLIN: He didn`t have to apologize, by the way. He didn`t have to. And he shouldn`t have apologized, he didn`t have to apologize. Apologizing for -- for comedians to apologize is just wrong.
BEHAR: Gilbert apologized when he -- he did those jokes about Japan right after the tsunami.
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GARLIN: Gilbert was scared for his job.
ESSMAN: He was losing a lot of money --
BEHAR: Because Aflac was the sponsor --
GARLIN: Comedians should not apologize when they`re on stage because you shouldn`t be editing, you shouldn`t be thinking about what you`re going to say. If you say something stupid or it offends somebody, somebody shouldn`t go see them, that`s all.
DAVID: You could say something on stage and regret it instantly.
GARLIN: But regretting --
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BEHAR: Michael Richards, look at him, what he did. He`s not a comedian.
GARLIN: Regretting and -- and apologizing are two different things.
DAVID: He`s not a standup.
BEHAR: No, he`s not a standup.
DAVID: But he does standup.
BEHAR: He does? Well, not anymore.
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ESSMAN: The thing about Gilbert is, the people that hired him, that`s what Gilbert does. Gilbert, what he said about the tsunami was no different than what Gilbert`s always been doing. It`s not out of character.
BEHAR: But the fact of the matter is that the Aflac company got rid of him because a lot of their people are Japanese.
ESSMAN: Right. And that`s their choice.
GARLIN: Yes. That`s their choice, and they should fire him if they want to.
BEHAR: But the comics stood by Gilbert, it was great. The comics were behind him. We all said the same thing, that he shouldn`t have been fired.
GARLIN: He should be fired, though. I think he works for a corporation. They don`t like it, they should fire him, of course. But it has nothing to do with him apologizing. I`m saying he shouldn`t apologize.
DAVID: Very well put. Very well put.
BEHAR: Larry, you think so?
DAVID: You know what, no -- he surprises me constantly with his intelligence.
BEHAR: With his wit.
DAVID: With his intelligence.
BEHAR: And genius.
DAVID: Yes. And now that he`s got the glasses on, it`s even way -- 20 points higher on the IQ.
BEHAR: Have you taken on the Mormons?
ESSMAN: I don`t think so.
DAVID: No. But -- that`s over now.
BEHAR: Because of the "Book of Mormon," it`s true, there`s nothing you can do with it now.
ESSMAN: There is always, you know--
BEHAR: You`ll think of something. The Jews and the Mormons --
DAVID: We have two Mormon Republicans going at it now.
BEHAR: Yes. That will be interesting. I know you`re very political. What do you think about Obama, Larry? How`s he doing?
DAVID: Well, there`s some areas that the progressives, we progressives have been a little disappointed. But what can you do? Look at that -- look at that opposition. They are implacable. You can`t --
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BEHAR: They`re awful. No taxes, no taxes, no taxes.
DAVID: What is this -- what is this--
BEHAR: I don`t know. No roads, no police force, no fire department.
DAVID: Did they look at -- they looked at that Bush record from 2000, 2008, with no taxes. Where that got us -- I don`t understand.
BEHAR: It`s irrational.
GARLIN: It`s completely irrational.
BEHAR: I know.
DAVID: The country needs money. Why can`t you tax millionaires? I don`t understand it.
BEHAR: The answer to that is you don`t do that in the middle of a recession, that it doesn`t help the economy.
DAVID: And by the way, here`s another thing I don`t get -- not every Republican is a millionaire. So why don`t the non-millionaire Republicans say something? Don`t they hate --
BEHAR: Exactly.
DAVID: Don`t they hate millionaires as much as the next person? Why don`t the non-Republican millionaires also hate the millionaires?
BEHAR: You mean the Republican millionaires?
DAVID: The Republican millionaires.
BEHAR: They should hate the mega millionaires.
DAVID: Hate the millionaires. Get their money for the government.
ESSMAN: Because they`re being manipulated. They don`t get the classism that`s going on.
BEHAR: And they don`t get the fact that it hasn`t worked for 10 years now, it hasn`t worked.
ESSMAN: And they`re appealing to their lowest, most deepest kinds of senses of racism and classism and all --
GARLIN: You realize by the way that at this point I`m the only one here still with a comedic following.
BEHAR: OK. Now --
DAVID: Why? I`m not allowed to make a comment?
GARLIN: You make all the comments you want.
DAVID: She asked me a question about Obama. What was I supposed to do?
BEHAR: I`m enjoying it. I`m enjoying all of it.
DAVID: No, I thought you were smart earlier, but this is really stupid.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Now what about --
DAVID: Just because you have nothing cogent to add to a political discussion, don`t say you`re the only comedian at the table. Yes.
BEHAR: Thank you, Larry.
DAVID: Yes.
BEHAR: Now what about Twitter? I understand --
DAVID: I actually thought I had a very good point there.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Do you tweet?
GARLIN: Yes.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Is someone holding your testicles right now?
GARLIN: No, I`m just laughing. He can be so funny.
BEHAR: And Susie, you don`t tweet.
ESSMAN: Never would I tweet.
DAVID: I tweet.
BEHAR: Never would you tweet?
ESSMAN: No, no.
BEHAR: How about you?
DAVID: That`s a good --
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GARLIN: There was somebody tweeting as him, and I had to help with the --
DAVID: No, I have -- I have people tweeting as Larry David.
BEHAR: You do? But not people you hired --
DAVID: Not that I`ve hired, they just put their name on it.
GARLIN: And on my Twitter account I tell the people that it`s not Larry David, and then they tweet back that they`re upset.
ESSMAN: I registered my name for that very reason.
BEHAR: Right.
ESSMAN: I registered my name. But it`s like everybody doesn`t have to know every -- every --
GARLIN: That`s not how you use Twitter.
BEHAR: No. You can use it for -- to publicize your show.
GARLIN: (inaudible), or I`m at Caroline`s this week, that`s all.
BEHAR: I have a half a million followers.
ESSMAN: Really?
DAVID: That`s all this tweeting thing is, isn`t it? It`s just a big ego trip for the people who tweet.
BEHAR: No.
DAVID: Oh, I`ve got 350,000 followers. You know, I mean, that`s, look, you`re bragging about the amount of followers you have -- everybody who tweets, that`s all they`re saying. They give you the number first. How many --
BEHAR: No, I`m trying to give you a publicity tip.
ESSMAN: Right.
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BEHAR: People watch the show.
ESSMAN: Why do we have HBO publicity people for if we have to do that?
BEHAR: I know. It`s true. All right. Stay here. We`re having two more segments.
ESSMAN: But I will be at Caroline`s July 14.
BEHAR: We`re not done. We`ll be right back with the cast of "Curb Your Enthusiasm," so sit tight.
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DAVID: Want to get some lunch?
GARLIN: Starving.
DAVID: Me, too.
GARLIN: Where do you want to go?
DAVID: I don`t know, I`ll eat anything.
GARLIN: There`s a great Mexican place like right down the road.
DAVID: Yeah, not -- I don`t know.
GARLIN: You don`t want Mexican?
DAVID: No.
GARLIN: Sushi. Sushi is fantastic, nice and light.
DAVID: I`m reading all this mercury stuff. I`m scared to get sushi. I can`t eat sushi.
GARLIN: How about Italian? You want to get some pasta?
DAVID: I don`t like to have hot food for lunch.
GARLIN: What about a peanut butter and jelly sandwich?
DAVID: I don`t want bread, I don`t have bread.
GARLIN: Like a plate with peanut butter and jelly just on a plate? With a fork?
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BEHAR: I`m back with the cast of "Curb Your Enthusiasm," which, by the way, this is the only show you`re doing as a team, I understand, which is very nice.
ESSMAN: Only for you, Joy.
BEHAR: I know.
GARLIN: Have we ever done a TV show as a--
ESSMAN: No.
DAVID: I don`t think we have.
BEHAR: Now, this mercury thing is a very L.A. thing. Nobody in New York mentions [ bleep ] mercury --
ESSMAN: Excuse me, Joy. Joy, I tested high for mercury.
BEHAR: That`s because you don`t eat meat.
ESSMAN: I eat a lot of fish, and I tested high.
BEHAR: If you would eat meat and stop eating a million fishes a week, you wouldn`t have such high mercury.
DAVID: I`ll eat the meat and you`ll come visit me in the hospital with the prostate cancer. You going to pay me a visit, huh? I`m going to put you down right now on the --
BEHAR: Why, you can`t have one steak a week, you`re immediately going to have cancer?
ESSMAN: You eat meat sometimes.
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BEHAR: Then you want -- you`ll have mercury then.
DAVID: OK. I`ll have a little mercury.
GARLIN: Do you smoke?
BEHAR: No, I don`t smoke.
GARLIN: Here`s what I can say about smoking -- heh.
BEHAR: Why? You smoke?
GARLIN: No, but you said mercury -- heh.
DAVID: And what about heart disease?
BEHAR: What about heart disease?
DAVID: By the way, have you looked at some of the records of the Japanese in terms of colon cancer? No colon cancer because they don`t eat meat.
BEHAR: The Japanese just had another earthquake that -- possibly another tsunami.
ESSMAN: Something will get you.
BEHAR: The last thing they`re thinking about is colon cancer.
DAVID: That`s legitimate, OK.
BEHAR: That`s -- oh, thank you. Let`s talk about our standup careers so far.
ESSMAN: OK.
BEHAR: OK, now, I know that you still do your standup, Susie, right?
ESSMAN: Yes.
BEHAR: A lot?
ESSMAN: Not as much as I used to, but yes. I`ll be at Caroline`s on the 14th, I`ll be at Foxwoods on July 30th --
BEHAR: Promote it, baby.
DAVID: Shut up with that stuff.
BEHAR: How about you, Jeff? You do standup?
GARLIN: I was just in London performing a few weeks ago, a week ago. And I was just at Caroline`s --
BEHAR: But the past tense doesn`t matter. I can`t promote the past.
GARLIN: I`m going to be at the Steppenwolf in Chicago, the Steppenwolf theater for two weeks July 13th through the 24th.
BEHAR: Doing standup?
GARLIN: Yes. Doing standup comedy.
BEHAR: At the Steppenwolf?
GARLIN: At Steppenwolf. I know, it`s strange.
BEHAR: Isn`t that David Mamet`s theater?
GARLIN: No, it`s John Malkovich`s and Terry Kinney (ph). Usually dramatic things, and they have me.
BEHAR: And what about you, Larry? I know you haven`t done it in a while.
DAVID: Yes, what about me?
BEHAR: But are you still sort of reluctant to get on stage and to do standup?
DAVID: Well, I don`t have an act.
BEHAR: Yes, you do. I still remember it.
DAVID: Well, you -- I am going to do an act from 20 years ago?
BEHAR: Yes.
ESSMAN: I do.
BEHAR: You don`t get -- don`t you think Mel Z. Lawrence (ph) does it? So does Susie. Oh, my God. Look at you.
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BEHAR: Oh, my god. Look at you.
DAVID: Where did you get -- get that off!
BEHAR: It`s funny, as you`ve gotten older, you`ve gotten cuter.
DAVID: Oh, you didn`t like that little Jewish kid over there?
BEHAR: You`re much cuter now.
DAVID: Really?
BEHAR: Yeah.
ESSMAN: Joy, do you remember that Larry used to just be -- would be standing at the bar, hanging out at the bar, catch a rising star, and Larry would just be bemoaning all his women issues and his love life issues over and over.
BEHAR: Look at this picture, Larry.
DAVID: Oh, no. That`s not cute.
BEHAR: All you needed was a trim. You needed a trim.
DAVID: Here`s the thing. Here`s what I don`t get. I look in the mirror, I see what I look like now. With that picture, you show me the picture. When I was looking in the picture, what was I looking at?
ESSMAN: How did you leave the house?
BEHAR: When, then?
DAVID: Yes, how did I miss this thing? What did I think this was?
BEHAR: It`s like a Jewish Bozo.
DAVID: What did I think that was? What was going through my head? Was I looking at my teeth or something else --
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BEHAR: You tell us, what was going through your head?
DAVID: I don`t know. I don`t know. I didn`t see it.
ESSMAN: But I always think that was a guy with a rug on his head. They look in the mirror, they place it, and don`t they see what we see? And yet they go out--
DAVID: The mirror, you don`t get the same -- I don`t know. It`s a different perspective in a mirror as a picture. A picture gives it to you. The mirror for some reason doesn`t give it to me.
BEHAR: Is that so?
DAVID: Yes.
ESSMAN: I don`t agree with that.
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DAVID: You, what do you think of my mirror picture theory?
GARLIN: I like Obama.
BEHAR: So, Larry, does this mean you`re never going to do standup again?
DAVID: I didn`t say that.
BEHAR: Because, you know, I haven`t done it for a year, and I`m scared now. And a friend of mine, a very important friend said to me the other day, I`m frightened for you, you`ve got to get back on stage. So do you feel the trepidation of that?
ESSMAN: I didn`t say that to you, Joy, somebody else --
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BEHAR: It was a man. It was a man.
DAVID: You`re the only friend she has got?
BEHAR: It was another important man.
DAVID: No. I -- I would like to do it again.
BEHAR: Really?
DAVID: Yes. And I`m going do. I don`t know when. But I will.
BEHAR: So it was like one time I asked Rita Moreno a question, I said, why didn`t you tell in the show you were doing that you had an affair with Marlon Brando? She said, well, I am going to do that in my one-person show. I said, when will that be? She said when I`m 78.
DAVID: Well, it might be before then, I think.
GARLIN: Does your audience--
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GARLIN: Does your audience enjoy a good Rita Moreno reference?
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Yes, I do, they do, yes. In fact, I enjoy a Rita Moreno--
GARLIN: I enjoy it too, don`t get me wrong, but I`m just--
BEHAR: What are you, making some kind of snotty comment about my audience?
GARLIN: That`s never (inaudible)--
BEHAR: Get the (bleep) off!
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: We`ll be right back with more from the cast of "Curb Your Enthusiasm."
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(CROSSTALK)
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BEHAR: You know, Susie, you said in your book, your book, you know, you supplied these clips to us.
DAVID: Yes.
BEHAR: We do not come and say these are the clips we want.
DAVID: I know, but aren`t you supposed to say something before you run the clip, like what it`s about?
BEHAR: Well, it`s not "Gone With the Wind."
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Now, you said in your book, quote, "sex gets better as you get older, especially for women." OK, did you hear that? She thinks that sex gets better for women as they get older, why is that, you think?
GARLIN: That`s a comment on your husband?
DAVID: Because she`s having sex with somebody she likes now. Probably.
BEHAR: Oh, please, she liked all of them, believe me.
ESSMAN: Somebody I love now.
BEHAR: She liked all 20 of them. Believe me.
ESSMAN: No, but, Joy--
BEHAR: That year.
ESSMAN: I think women -- I think that women get freer as they get older. I think that when you`re younger, you`re so self-conscious about your body, about everything. I think as you get older, you don`t care anymore. Who cares.
BEHAR: That`s interesting because I have two men here, and I would assume--
DAVID: Thank you.
BEHAR: -- that both of you are interested in younger women and would never go out with women our age. And therefore, she`s saying that the sex would be better. What do you say to that?
GARLIN: I say I think you`re really hot, Joy, and I will make love to you tonight like you`ve never been made love to.
BEHAR: I`m busy. I`m very busy. I have another show to do.
ESSMAN: Larry`s the only single one.
BEHAR: And you`re married anyway. But I mean, Larry, isn`t it true--
GARLIN: I`m married anyway? Her fantasy could (ph) happen.
BEHAR: But isn`t it true that men like younger women? As you guys get older, the women get younger. I`ve seen it.
GARLIN: No. No.
BEHAR: No? Can I name a few?
GARLIN: I`m not saying there aren`t examples of it, but I like women of all ages and shapes.
BEHAR: But you`re married to a woman. So you`re not--
GARLIN: Yes, I`m married to a woman.
BEHAR: You`re married to a woman. Who is your age?
GARLIN: Exact same age. She`s actually two months older, so there you go. Two months older.
BEHAR: What about you, Larry? Are you interested in finding a woman your own age?
DAVID: You know what, if I`m attracted to a 64-year-old woman, I`d sleep with her.
BEHAR: But that`s not happening so quickly.
DAVID: I haven`t met one yet.
BEHAR: Really?
DAVID: No, I`m not saying that -- I just haven`t been in the company of one.
BEHAR: Is that so?
DAVID: Yes.
BEHAR: Nobody you know who is in your age bracket?
DAVID: No, they are, but I haven`t -- like, bells haven`t gone off in my head, go oh, I need to get her phone number.
BEHAR: I see. So what`s the age that you do like?
DAVID: I think -- I think I shouldn`t have come on the show. Whose idea was it to come on here?
GARLIN: I was -- I thought it was your idea. You said you wanted to be on with the three of us.
DAVID: This is not the kind of stuff I talk about. These are personal questions.
BEHAR: You can catch the new season of "Curb Your Enthusiasm," Sunday nights on HBO. And Ms. Susie is performing at Caroline`s in New York City on July 14th. Any other plugs you want to do?
GARLIN: Steppenwolf, Chicago--
BEHAR: We heard that already.
DAVID: And by the way, if I wanted to go out with a 30-year-old, is there a law against it? Are you not allowed? Is it illegal?
GARLIN: Did you hear about a guy in his 50s, married a 16-year-old?
BEHAR: Thank you for watching. Good night, everybody. I got to go.
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