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Teen Killed Parents, then Partied; Hanging with Hoda; Rupert Murdoch`s Wife Punched His Shaving Cream Attacker, Sarah`s Key: The Movie

Aired July 20, 2011 - 22:00   ET

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, 17-year-old Tyler Hadley charged with two counts of first-degree murder. Cops say he brutally bludgeoned his parents to death before throwing a party in their house.

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MICHAEL MANDELL, TYLER ADLEY`S FRIEND: I opened the door. I saw bloody sheets piled everywhere, I saw broken pictures with blood on them. I looked down and I saw his dad`s leg.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So is this an extreme case teen rebellion or did Hadley exhibit warning signs?

Then "Today", co-host Hoda Kotb weighs in on the day`s biggest headlines.

And J Lo and Marc Anthony may have said the split was amicable, but they`re waging a tabloid war.

That and more starting right now.

JOY BEHAR, HLN HOST: Tonight`s first story may remind you of the Menendez brothers, the two young men who were convicted of killing their parents back in 1989.

Seventeen-year-old Tyler Hadley is accused of brutally killing his parents over the weekend in Port St. Lucie, Florida. Police say Hadley used a hammer to kill his mother and father, and then hosted a party in the family home hours later. So what on earth could have motivated this type of heinous act and what kind of mind parties right afterwards?

With me now to discuss this are Charlene Moses, a family friend of the Hadleys, who joins me by phone; and Casey Jordan, criminologist and contributor to "In Session" on TruTV.

But first I want to start with Chief Brian Reuther of the Port St. Lucie Police Department. As a police chief, sir, I`m sure you`ve seen a lot of crimes. How heinous were these murders compared to other stuff that you`ve witnessed?

CHIEF BRIAN REUTHER, PORT. ST. LUCIE POLICE DEPT: Well, in my 34-year career, I can tell you this was one of the more brutal scenes, one of the more violent homicides that I`ve seen in my experience.

BEHAR: Really?

REUTHER: Yes.

BEHAR: Because of the bloodshed? Which part?

REUTHER: Well, just the -- the pounding with the 22-ounce framing hammer, the heads and the torsos and the damage that was done to the bodies. It`s just -- it`s indescribable; it`s just unbelievable.

BEHAR: Shows a lot of rage, I think, doesn`t it?

REUTHER: Well, it looks like that, and obviously this is still under investigation. We`re trying to put the pieces together as to what the motivation would be and the motive as to why he would have done this.

BEHAR: Yes.

REUTHER: We`re in the process of locating some of the party-goers to see what they know. There were 40 to 60 kids that were at the party late Saturday evening which was after the murders, which would have occurred around early Saturday, afternoon according to the information we have.

BEHAR: You know, I mentioned the Menendez brothers earlier. In that case the murder appeared to be planned. How planned was this one, do you think?

REUTHER: Well, that`s one of the things that we`re looking into to see if, in fact, from other individuals that were at the party talking to family members, trying to find out the family dynamic, if in fact he had made comments -- again, this is part of the active and ongoing investigation. We`re not in a position to reveal essentially the information that we`re learning from some of the party-goers. And this will be something that will obviously come out at some point later on. Hopefully being able to determine exactly what the motive was.

BEHAR: Well, we do know that he told a friend several times he was going to kill his parents. That I understand is something that we know, correct?

REUTHER: Well, this is what we`re hearing is that he had made comments, I`m not going to get into specifics of some of the comments, but there are people who have gone to the media, made comments that he has said this to them, what have you. Again, we`re not in a position to comment any further because this is an ongoing investigation.

BEHAR: Yes. A friend who says he was at the party says that -- you`re not going to be able to answer this either probably. He said that Tyler took Ecstasy before murdering his parents. Do you know anything about that?

REUTHER: Well, again, that`s part of the investigation.

BEHAR: Yes, yes.

REUTHER: One of the things that we`ll be looking at.

BEHAR: I had a feeling you weren`t going to be able to answer that. One thing --

REUTHER: Well, this is ongoing.

BEHAR: Yes. He is going to be tried as an adult, but he`s only 17 years old. There`s no death penalty on the table.

REUTHER: That`s correct.

BEHAR: So what is he facing? And how can he be tried as an adult if he is 17 years old?

REUTHER: We`re looking at because of the type of crimes, and there`s no death penalty on the table because he is a juvenile. He`d be looking at, if convicted, it would be life imprisonment and sentence.

BEHAR: Ok. All right, thank you, Chief, very much.

REUTHER: Thank you.

BEHAR: Ok. Now I`d like to turn back to my panel. I don`t understand it. If you`re 17 years old and you`re tried as an adult, what, they change the rules that they feel like changing them?

CASEY JORDAN, CRIMINOLOGIST: You can waiver them at any point. In different states, in Connecticut, you`re an adult at 16, in New York it`s 17, in Florida it`s 18. But you can waiver people up or down --

BEHAR: Depending on how horrible the crime is?

JORDAN: Depending on their mental capacity. So if they really seem to have done the actions of an adult, you waive them up; and if they seem to be extremely immature, you can actually waive them down to be tried as a juvenile.

BEHAR: Ok. A friend who said he was at the party told WPTV this. Listen --

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MANDELL: I saw bloody sheets piled everywhere. I saw broken pictures with blood on them. I looked down and I saw his dad`s leg.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: After you saw the scene, what did you do?

MANDELL: I just -- I was in shock. I was sitting down -- I didn`t know what to do.

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BEHAR: Ok. Charlene, first, my condolences to you, I know that you know the Hadley family very well. How shocking is this for you?

CHARLENE MOSES, HADLEY FAMILY FRIEND: It`s devastating, just listening to the police chief right now. I`m just feeling sick.

BEHAR: You`re feeling sick. Was there any indication to you that Tyler could be capable of this?

MOSES: We really didn`t have much -- we didn`t hang around too much with Tyler because he is a teenager, and we have no children. I know his grandmother the most. And I saw his mother, Mary Jo, grow up from high school.

And so my relationship with the family is as a friend of the grandmother and grandfather`s.

BEHAR: Uh-huh. He reportedly went on a trip with his parents the week before. And everything was fine.

MOSES: That`s what I understand.

BEHAR: So it`s a shocking thing. I mean, Casey, why would someone do something like this? Tell me as a criminologist, what makes someone snap like this?

JORDAN: We don`t know that he really snapped. According to his friend Michael Mandell, who`s talking to the press, he says that Tyler told him about it in advance. Put the invitation to the party out on Facebook, and then killed his parents just -- and Michael says he thought the kid was joking. It was his best friend. He didn`t believe he was ever capable. He thought it was a bad joke.

And then at 5:00, told him again that he had killed his parents. Had the party at 9:00. Asked Michael to come outside with him. Said he had something to tell him. Told him he killed the parents. Then they waited for everyone to leave at about 1:00 in the morning, and then he took his buddy, Michael, in and showed him the bodies. It wasn`t a snap thing.

BEHAR: I see.

JORDAN: But it really does indicate --

BEHAR: All the time that they were partying, these two dead bodies were in the house?

JORDAN: Absolutely. What you`re looking at is some sort of sociopathy, some sort of anti-social personality disorder that he could do -- act completely normal. Everybody at the party said he acted totally normal.

BEHAR: Really? But Tyler`s friend suggest that Tyler may have been planning to kill himself after the party. What do you know about that.

JORDAN: Well, according to Michael, he said that he had ten Percocet stored and that he had anticipated being caught. And that when the police came he was going to take all ten Percocet and try to kill himself. But he also told his friend, Michael, that he had taken three Ecstasy pills and perhaps that contributed to the mental state.

BEHAR: I thought Ecstasy was supposed to make you more happy.

JORDAN: It -- it lowers your inhibitions. So anything you`ve dreamed of doing -- most people think that`s only sexual. If you have inhibitions that`s are violent, in theory, especially if you`re mixing ecstasy with mental illness, that could actually unhinge somebody to the point where they could --

BEHAR: But there has to be some kind of rage toward the parents, too, underlying here, some other thing, not just a drug-related thing. Especially if he planned it.

JORDAN: Well, the thing we know through, again, his best friend Michael, is that Tyler was upset because he was having fights with his parents. But we don`t have any reports that indicate they were anything more than a typical teenager having fights with his parents. That`s why I think you`re going to see some mental illness here.

And he also indicated that rap music had contributed to his thought process. So I`m sure we`ll hear more about that, as well.

BEHAR: Oh, I don`t believe -- I don`t buy that.

JORDAN: Just something he said. But just get ready for people to pounce on it.

BEHAR: I mean when you think about all of these murders, he doesn`t like the rap music influence, he has a fight with his parents. The Casey Anthony, the trial we just sort of went through, ad infinitum, she was having difficulties with her parents. Plenty of people have that.

Something else goes on when you snap like that and you kill somebody.

JORDAN: It`s going to be some level of mental illness. I think we`re going to see early onset of schizophrenia. I think you`re going to see a lot of overtones of Jared Loughner with this kid.

Again, he actually told his friend Michael that he thought the devil had possessed him.

BEHAR: Tell us who that is. Tell the audience who that is.

JORDAN: Michael -- oh, Jared Loughner. Yes, responsible for the massive shooting including Gabrielle Giffords earlier this year, who, of course, is now so mentally ill he is unfit to stand trial.

BEHAR: Ok. Charlene, Tyler has a brother who now has lost his whole family. Do we know about anything about where he is or how he`s doing?

MOSES: No, I don`t know. I just know he`s an older brother. I understand he moved out of the house about two months ago.

BEHAR: what were the parents like? Do you know anything about Tyler`s parents?

MOSES: Mary Jo and Blake, they were a nice family, they were a nice Italian support group. Maggie, my friend, and Sam, her father, they did a lot together. And the kids growing up were always polite and well mannered. They`d come down to our house, go trick-or-treating.

BEHAR: Yes.

MOSES: They always called me Miss Charlie. They were sweet children.

BEHAR: Wow. This must be shocking to the neighbors also. It`s just a terrible thing.

JORDAN: Has to be.

BEHAR: Ok. Do they usually feel remorse afterwards, people who kill their parents?

JORDAN: No. And the fact that -- well, obviously, they have to be in such a state of mind to kill them that you don`t usually see remorse or regret.

The fact that he planned the party and then killed the parents and then continued with the party and then showed his friend shows a thought process that truly is going to indicate mental illness.

BEHAR: Ok. Thanks very much, Casey. Thank you, Charlene.

We`ll be back in a minute.

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BEHAR: As co-host of the fourth hour of "Today," Hoda Kotb gets to hang out with Kathie Lee and come up with new reasons to drink wine every day. Watch.

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HODA KOTB, CO-HOST, "TODAY": Apparently they fed red wine to rats and they found their body mass stayed -- they stayed strong, not -- they didn`t lose weight, but they stayed strong. And also you`re -- the good cholesterol is maintained --

KATHY LEE GIFFORD, CO-HOST, "TODAY": Without raising a little mouse finger, they stayed the same, right?

KOTB: Yes, and it helps with bone density. Mm.

And insulin resistance.

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BEHAR: That`s great because I can`t stand rats with diabetes and osteoporosis, they`re so needy. Her best-selling book, "Hoda: How I Survived War Zones, Bad Hair, Cancer, and Kathie Lee" is out in paperback now.

I`m happy to welcome back to my show, the lovely and talented and hopefully sober Hoda Kotb.

You know --

KOTB: Thank you for the drink, Joy.

BEHAR: You know -- you know, the study you were talking about says --

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KOTB: Yes.

BEHAR: -- that red wine is like exercise in a bottle.

KOTB: Yes.

BEHAR: Please, God, let that be true.

KOTB: Can you imagine?

BEHAR: I would love that to be true.

KOTB: Wait, they did this study and they wanted it because astronauts often can`t work out when they`re up in space obviously. So they thought let`s -- let`s try something else to see if you are immobile.

BEHAR: Yes.

KOTB: What could you drink that would help you or eat that would help you? And they found that there`s this chemical in red wine caused resveratrol. It goes in your system and it helps keep your muscles strong and your bones strong, at least in rats.

I mean if you want to sew -- I guess if you want to sit on your -- on your butt all day.

BEHAR: Yes.

KOTB: Drinking red wine may be the best thing for you.

BEHAR: But why would you want strong, muscular rats? I mean, it`s bad enough as they are now, all flaccid.

KOTB: All flaccid? Gross.

BEHAR: I mean and soft. So listen.

KOTB: Yes.

BEHAR: Are you drinking there really, or is it an act? Tell the truth.

KOTB: We`re drinking.

BEHAR: You`re actually -- it is actual booze.

KOTB: Yes, yes.

BEHAR: At that hour, isn`t it hard, I mean, I would be on my face for the rest of the day.

KOTB: Ok, here`s what we do. We kind of sip. We had Chelsea Handler on, and she had that book, "Hello, Vodka, it`s Me" --

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BEHAR: Oh yes, she wants to knock a few back.

KOTB: Thank you, so we wanted to be ladylike and be good hosts and we gave her a glass of whatever she liked. Then a couple -- when Brooke Shields came on and she said, well, where`s mine?

BEHAR: Another one.

KOTB: Ok. You, too. And then after that, it just became a little bit of a theme. And then "Time" magazine called our hour the happy hour of the "Today" show. So we just said, the hell with it, let`s just -- let`s just keep going.

BEHAR: I think it`s great. And nobody tells you to stop -- the network doesn`t say --

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KOTB: I can`t believe it. No, no. Every day I`m thinking, like, is this the end? Is today the last show? Because we do have so much fun and plus, it is kind of the lighter hour. I mean, you know, because you guys - -

BEHAR: Oh yes.

KOTB: "The View`s" on at a later hour. It`s just a different animal at that time.

BEHAR: So how much alcohol does it take to actually talk to Kathie Lee constantly, though?

KOTB: I`m going back to work tomorrow, I just want you to know. Come on --

BEHAR: She was on my show recently. We love Kathie Lee.

KOTB: I know, yes, yes we do have a lot of fun. I mean, the drink does take the edge off, but we have a blast on the show. It`s really a lot of laughs.

BEHAR: But you wrote about her in your book. Did she take issue with anything that you wrote about her?

KOTB: No she -- you know, wait, what did I write about her? I did have a couple of things about her. No, you know what, I went from hard news to laughing and scratching and I was a little scared to do that.

BEHAR: Yes.

KOTB: Because I was so used to being in like Afghanistan or Pakistan --

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BEHAR: Do you miss that part?

KOTB: Sometimes.

BEHAR: Yes.

KOTB: But I feel just like you. I mean, you can talk about serious subjects and you can talk about light-hearted things because we`re multifaceted.

BEHAR: Right.

KOTB: You can read "The New York Times" and you can read "People" and not be any different --

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BEHAR: Would you rather be multifaceted or multi-orgasmic?

KOTB: Multi-orgasmic. Who wouldn`t?

BEHAR: Ok. I`m glad I got that out of the way.

Now, let`s talk about this new boyfriend of yours. I heard you met him at a book signing, "The Story of O?"

KOTB: Ok. Let me tell you what happened because this -- I wonder why, I`ll be honest, I wrote the book and you know when you do something like, I write that thing what is that about.

BEHAR: Yes.

KOTB: I go to a book signing in Tribeca, I`m there -- and there`s a long, not a long line -- there`s a short line of people but at the end there were these two adorable girls in their 20s. And they said, I said, "Oh, you don`t have a book. Do you want me to sign a piece of paper?" And they said, "No, no, we want to give you something." And it was a laminated piece of paper and it said, "Ten Reasons you Should Date our Dad."

BEHAR: Oh.

KOTB: So I saw the thing and I said oh my God, and it said he climbed Mt. Kilimanjaro, he`s nice or whatever. So they stood off to the side for a second because I had a few more to sign. And he ended up coming up and - - because he lived not far from there, and I met him, I went on a date. And since October I`ve been dating their dad.

BEHAR: I love the little pimp daughters. I love that story.

KOTB: There`s Jay. There he is.

BEHAR: Is that him?

KOTB: He`s cute. What do you think?

BEHAR: Very cute. Adorable. And tall like you.

KOTB: He`s tall, yes.

BEHAR: Climbed Mt. Kilimanjaro.

KOTB: He climbed Mt. Kilimanjaro and you know, it`s funny because I`m 47 and I was married once before and I have to tell you -- no one and this sounds really mushy-gushy, but no one has ever looked at me the way he looks at me. No one that I can remember.

Careful, I don`t know what you`re going to say, but I don`t like it. I`m saying, I`m not going to like it.

BEHAR: No, I think that`s so romantic that the kids came to -- to you.

KOTB: Yes.

BEHAR: Because he`s obviously divorced or widower?

KOTB: He`s divorced. Yes.

BEHAR: He`s divorced.

KOTB: And I guess they watched our show and they said that I said some of the same things their dad would say. And we`re both kind of messy --

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BEHAR: Like what?

KOTB: I don`t know. Like -- like I don`t know -- I`m sort of messy, I`m disorganized. He`s that way. When we go on vacation, I looked in the closet. And he hangs his pants up, he puts the belt loop through the -- the thing. And that`s how I hang up my pant. When I -- when I open the closet, I was so happy. I thought, we have so much in common.

BEHAR: That is unbelievable.

KOTB: We`re both lazy.

BEHAR: Do you want to climb a mountain, too? Have you ever looked at that?

KOTB: No, never. No, that`s not for me.

BEHAR: Because you should think about that. I have a girlfriend who pretended she could play tennis until she hooked a guy and then never played tennis again. So if you say you like mountain climbing now --

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KOTB: No, I`ve been honest, I haven`t -- I don`t like mountain climbing. He likes to ski, I don`t like skiing I`ve told him he knows. I`m not climbing mountains.

BEHAR: So besides the pant loops, what else have you got in common with this guy? Is there anything else?

KOTB: Sense of humor, I think.

BEHAR: Yes, that`s important.

KOTB: He`s so funny. I guess, values. He`s just a good guy. Like he`s just an all-around down-to-earth, he doesn`t like -- he doesn`t like fancy -- you know, we`re the same.

BEHAR: Truthfully, I think any guy who had you would be lucky because you`re just adorable.

KOTB: That`s so nice.

BEHAR: You`re so cute and fun. Even if are you an alcoholic, I still think it would be great. We`ll have more with Hoda in just a minute.

KOTB: Am I fired?

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BEHAR: I`m back with the always entertaining and adorable Hoda Kotb. Did you see that Rupert Murdoch got hit in the face with a cream pie yesterday -- it was actually shaving cream. They`re mad at him.

KOTB: Ok, first of all, the thing I took away from that one image was that Wendi Murdoch has brass ones. Did you see how she jumped up?

BEHAR: She jumped.

KOTB: No -- you could tell everyone`s personality in that split second because when you don`t have time to think, the son was a little slow to react -- teeny bit. Wendy -- and you only see her in the corner, got up and slammed it with her hand. She went for it. I mean that`s -- she must love him so much. She went for it.

BEHAR: There`s kind of age difference there, isn`t there? That`s what she`s there for, to protect the old thing. You know what I mean? If the "News of the World" hacked into your phone, what would they find there?

KOTB: That is terrible. What would they find? They would find -- voicemails from friends. Nothing. Nothing.

BEHAR: Yes.

KOTB: My doctor`s appointments. I have nothing good.

BEHAR: We`re boring.

KOTB: We`re dull.

BEHAR: Mine, too.

KOTB: What`s in yours?

BEHAR: Nothing, nothing. Absolutely nothing. Maybe a little gossip thing, I hate this one, I hate that one. That sort of thing.

KOTB: Who do you hate?

BEHAR: I don`t hate anybody. It`s not worth it to hate anybody.

KOTB: No. I know.

BEHAR: Now the J Lo and Marc Anthony -- Wendy Williams was on my show yesterday on "The View", my other show.

KOTB: Yes, what did she say?

BEHAR: She said that this divorce is a PR stunt. Is it shocking to say that?

KOTB: Why does she think that?

BEHAR: She just thinks that "The Voice" is picking up steam, "American Idol" is losing a little bit maybe.

KOTB: Oh, I don`t believe that.

BEHAR: Her record just came out and this and that. But why does J Lo, who`s worth a quarter of a billion, need to do a PR stunt?

KOTB: I agree with you. I mean it seems to me that she got so big -- imagine when they said she was thinking about not doing "American Idol", I thought how could that be? She`s now the "Most Beautiful Woman in the World", her record is number one, she -- nothing has been better for her career than this entire deal. So why would she have second thoughts?

I thought, maybe he was saying look, we`re already doing our reality show, that`s a lot to do, you don`t need to do this, too. Maybe it was just one of those power struggles.

BEHAR: Oh, you mean she might have felt like, listen, I`m doing what I do, don`t tell me what to do?

KOTB: Maybe it was a little bit of a power struggle. How could it be a PR stunt when you have kids, like twins? That seems weird.

BEHAR: I know. Exactly.

KOTB: I don`t believe Wendy.

BEHAR: But Wendy she comes up with this stuff.

KOTB: I like her though --

BEHAR: I do too.

KOTB: -- but I don`t believe her.

BEHAR: Let`s see. What else do we have to cover in the news?

KOTB: What else is there?

BEHAR: Casey Anthony.

KOTB: Oh, my gosh.

BEHAR: Supposedly yesterday there was video of her, you know, in Orlando. That the plane took her back to Orlando but the head was covered. I don`t buy it either. I think that was a decoy.

KOTB: You do?

BEHAR: I do. Why would she do that, go back to Orlando where everybody hates her?

KOTB: I wonder if --

BEHAR: Go someplace where people will like you. Wasilla.

KOTB: Do you think she knows how much people can`t stand her? Do you think when you`re in prison all that time -- you might watch a little TV. But do you think she`s walking out and going, really?

BEHAR: Because that means it`s been all about her and how bad a girl she is.

KOTB: Yes. You know, it has been. You know what`s funny though? and I so -- I was like a lot of people when the verdict came out, it was like, oh my gosh, how is that. But when you go down and if you looked at the charge -- they made us go down and read the charges, one of them was like a child abuse charge. With that charge, she has to have touched the child. They didn`t have that. You can`t get her for that. You can`t get her --

BEHAR: Right. How about child neglect?

KOTB: But neglect, the child they said has to be alive. It`s a weird -- all the laws don`t connect.

BEHAR: They couldn`t get her on those.

KOTB: They couldn`t, that`s why they were trying to make up that new law that if you don`t report your kids --

BEHAR: The Caylee`s Law.

KOTB: Caylee`s Law.

BEHAR: Caylee after the baby. I think they should do that, don`t you? I`ll get behind that.

KOTB: Get on it.

BEHAR: I will.

Ok. Thank you so much.

KOTB: Thank you, Joy.

BEHAR: Always a pleasure to see you.

KOTB: You, too.

BEHAR: Her book is called "Hoda: How I survived war zones, bad hair, cancer, and Kathie Lee," and it`s out in paperback now.

We`ll be right back.

I love that.

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BEHAR: Rupert Murdoch may have been attacked with a shaving cream pie yesterday, but it`s his tiger wife, Wendy Murdoch, who punched the perp and stole the spotlight.

Here to discuss this and other pop culture stories in the news are Tom Papa, comedian and host of "the marriage ref," Marla Maples, actress, appearing in "love, lost, and what a wore," and Joe Levy editor and chief of "Maxim" magazine.

OK. So, is it true Joe that behind every powerful mad is a ninja?

JOE LEVY, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, "MAXIM": I do. A ninja? Let me look. No, I don`t think so. First off, ninja -- she is Chinese, not Japanese, let`s establish that. That`s OK.

BEHAR: I`m sorry. OK.

LEVY: I`m going to let that pass.

BEHAR: Yes.

LEVY: You know I love the idea that she is possessed of some strong right hook. That`s what they said in parliament afterwards, she`s got a great right hook. She hits like a girl. Watch the tape. She does it -

MARLA MAPLES, ACTRESS: She slapped -- she was a volleyball player.

BEHAR: Marla, you would do it for your man, wouldn`t you?

MAPLES: I would definitely do it for my man.

BEHAR: Especially if he was worth $2 billion. Hello? So would I.

MPALES: When you get married, no matter the circumstances are you know you get to stand there and you can`t stand to see somebody you care about --

LEVY: It seams like its part of the act, though. It`s like you know he`s Rupert Murdoch, he`s the most powerful media mogul on the planet. He`s sharp, he`s intelligent. And now they`re acting like he didn`t know what was going on, he`s playing like the Pepperidge farm guy. Like, I don`t know what -- what is that, a pie?

I`m not buying it. I think when they left there they paid off the pie guy.

BEHAR: She`s, what, 42 or something, and he`s 80.

LEVY: Yes. Yes.

BEHAR: Come on, Marla. What do you think? You think she`s attracted to him?

MAPLES: I met her one time, and she was very dynamic, and very sweet. And I think she has a lot of power behind that swing.

LEVY: Could you be with an 80-year-old guy?

MAPLES: Could I?

LEVY: Let`s establish for that much money I could be with an 80-year-old guy. If any 80-year-old guys have that much money, I will be with you. I will do it.

TOM PAPA, COMEDIAN: I will block your pie.

BEHAR: But she seems to be in love with him, though. She poured water for him. She rubbed his neck. She touched him. It was like a porn movie.

LVY: Yes, really that`s your version of porn? A bus boy comes in and pores water?

PAPA: Just get the -- pat him down.

BEHAR: Let`s talk about 2012 hopeful Michele Bachmann. She suffers from frequent debilitating migraines she blames on -- are you ready -- on wearing high heels.

I understand, spanx gives me cramps. I get it. I`m not a doctor. Is she getting headache, Joe? Try Flats? I mean --

LEVY: Yes, try flats. This could be the most easily solved migraine in the history of migraines. Or I also want to say that I hear that the easy spirit pumps are very, very comfortable and that you can play basketball in them.

So I think we can get her past this, yes.

BEHAR: What do you think?

MAPLES: I`ve got blisters my feet so deep from wearing flip-flops running around the village right now. So I think an uncomfortable pair of flats is as good as a good pair of high heels.

BEHAR: Can they give you migraine?

PAPA: And she gets gobs of pharmaceuticals for these migraines. The same thing as my friends in L.A. trying to get weed from the medical marijuana places.

(LAUGHTER)

HOST: Well --

PAPA: I don`t like candy anymore. I don`t know what it is. Oh, smoke some of this.

MAPLES: There are pressure points on your feet that can be susceptible, I think. I think -- I called my chiropractor to make sure.

(LAUGHTER)

LEVY: I -- I do a good foot massage.

BEHAR: There you go.

LEVY: Yes.

HOST: Are you offering her your services?

LEVY: No. I was talking to you.

BEHAR: Down, boy. Down, boy.

LEVY: OK.

PAPA: You guys want to be alone?

BEHAR: Aren`t you married?

LEVY: Yes, I am. I still give a good foot massage.

BEHAR: I bet you do.

PAPA: I`m the creep -- that`s the creepy guy always hitting on someone. We`re just massaging. We`ll just cuddle.

BEHAR: You know her son is a doctor. Her son is an M.D.

PAPA: Really?

BEHAR: Yes, Michele Bachmann`s son.

LEVY: He casts doubts on the idea that the -- you know, this could be a precipitating factor but not a -- I don`t know.

PAPA: It could be. There could be a lot of pressure in her head. That`s why her eyes are always going wiggly.

MAPLES: I think she`s going to get a lot of gifts from other high heel manufactures that say try mine, they won`t be a problem.

BEHAR: The high heels. How come J.Edgar Roover never had migraines? Whose high heels --

PAPA: Very good.

BEHAR: Do you think she`s going to be president?

PAPA: No!

BEHAR: Why not, she`s running. She`s running.

PAPA: There`s a lot of people running.

LEVY: You have to too more than run to be president.

LEVY: She`s polling well. In a Sarah Palin list race, she`s up there with Mitt Romney in the polls. But she`s got like more than a year ahead of her to keep mispronouncing Jewish, Yiddish words. And alienate that base further --

BEHAR: What did she say? Chutzpah? Chutzpah?

LEVY: I think it was worse than that.

PAPA: Eyes coming out.

BEHAR: Yes. OK. Next up, Paris Hilton. You know who he is.

Her realty show is suffering from low ratings, I`m sorry to hear that. She walked out of an ABC news interview after being asked a question she didn`t like. Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPOTER: Do you ever worry about -- do you ever worry about your moment having passed?

[Inaudible]

UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPOTER You wants to wrap up?

PARIS HILTON: Can I -- I was curious about one thing that -- [inaudible]

I don`t want all this being used --

(END VIDOE CLIP)

BEHAR: So the sex tape was OK, but this was over the line.

PAPA: That`s over the line. That`s what happens had you hire a lot of people to stay around you and tell you that you`re great all the time. And then someone`s like, hey, things aren`t really working out. You`re like I never heard that, what are you talking about?

BEHAR: Do you feel bad for actresses, starlets who at the age of 30 they`re washed up?

MAPLES: We`re in big trouble then.

BEHAR: Forget me. Forget me.

PAPA: It depends what business you get in. You know if it`s naked porn tapes that are not going to be a long career. You can`t break that out when you`re 55 and -- part two.

BEHAR: It doesn`t work.

LEVY: That would be a very long part one, that`s all I`m saying.

BEHAR: I mean, really. Marla, you`re still a beautiful girl.

MAPLES: Thank you.

BEHAR: But I mean after certain point they stop growing right?

MAPLES: I just believe you got to be the best you can be at any age.

And for Paris, I think it would have been super if she stood there, been the woman she is and spoken directly to men and answered it from a place of strength versus looking to the publicist. And that`s the problem.

There are so many people around you at that level telling you what to do that she didn`t know how to react. She was looking for guidance.

BEHAR: Looking to the publicist, tell me what to do. You`re not thinking for yourself.

LEVY: The great part is one she walks off, she says to the publicist, I don`t want always will this used. Apparently unaware that ABC news doesn`t actually work for her. I don`t want all of this used.

BEHAR: I walked off the set when --

MAPLES: I saw that.

BEHAR: Bill O`Reilly. And Shannon Tweed walked off my show. Are any of you planning to walk off? You have to mean it.

PAPA: If my microphone was not attached to the chair, I`ll be out of here.

BEHAR: Here`s another story. Matt Damon says he`s lucky to lead a low-key life as an actor because some of his pals have it tough.

He said this, "I have friends who are like prisoners, Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, and for instance, they can`t just go someplace. If they go for a walk it turns into an international incident."

Now, this is a picture of Brangelina`s house, OK? Not exactly hsing-hsing, OK? This is a big spread -- I could do 25 to life, could you?

PAPA: Yes, looks like the town I grew up in. Matt Damon and I did a movie together; "the informant." are you in that film?

Yes, we`re special friends. The kind of friends that don`t call each other anymore.

But there will always be a lot of people screaming and stuff on the set. Then it would calm down. So he does blend in -- like Matt has ability to ugly himself up pretty good. He puts that ratty t-shirt on and the hat --

BEHAR: Angelina`s not mad at him. In fact, I heard she adopted him.

PAPA: He`s adorable. She`s walking around with matt in the little Bjorn.

MAPLES: That will get attention.

BEHAR: They sort of court the kind of attention that he`s saying that they can`t escape. Don`t they?

PAPA: Yes, of course.

MAPLES: I think when you adopt so many children and they`re, you know, different nationalities, people are automatically going to look and be curious, all these cute, cute babies. They can`t really go around the village like you and I can with a baseball cap when they really want to be with the whole family. And they`re physically beautiful. They`re all physically beautiful.

LEVY: That Matt Damon would have a harder time of blending in. His wife is lovely. But if he had married Angelina Jolie, people would pay more attention to the two of them.

Listen, you know it`s supposed to be hard for us to be sympathetic because they have millions of dollars and have that big, fancy house. But you`ve all been around people who are stalked by people with cameras. And it`s creepy and weird and scary, and there are kids involved.

So I am a little sympathy. At the same time, I wish Matt Damon would stop complaining about being famous. Every time someone asks a question, he`s like, Clooney that really hard. I hate that. Who cares?

BEHAR: What would you rather have, millions of dollars or privacy?

LEVY: I would prefer to be foot massaging Angelina Jolie. Has that come up too much? Is it getting creepy? Is it getting weird?

BEHAR: It`s creepy.

PAPA: It was creepy the first time --

BEHAR: When you`re 55, it will be even creepier.

LEVY: No, those massages keep the feet young. They really do.

MAPLES: And everything else.

BEHAR: What about you, would you rather have privacy or money?

MAPLES: Privacy, a very very important. I reached a point of my life that privacy is important. Now I`m ready to make more money again.

BEHAR: You know there`s a time when Marla was all over the newspapers. Remember those days?

MAPLES: I remember.

BEHAR: And how was that? Was it hard for you?

MAPLES: It was hard especially when I have a young child and I just want to run in the park with her and we have great photograph and then we sell them and that the daily news found out.

(CROSSTALK)

PAPA: Why complain? You got sat in the restaurant when you`re famous and free snickers and --

MAPLES: Well, it`s just about safety. It comes down to the safety of your kids and as long as you know you can fight for yourself but in your children -

PAPA: if you`re with Brad and Angelina, would you take a lot of kids?

BEHAR: On that note, thank you guys very much.

You can catch Marla Maples in love, and what a wore in west side of New York August seven.

We will be right back.

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BEHAR: The hori-cross remains the most unspeakable crime in modern history.

A new film Sarah`s Cage inspired by true event tells the story of women and children trans being rounded up by the NATSI. Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SARAH: In July 1942, on the 16th and the 17th of July `42, they arrested 13,000 Jews. Mostly women and children, they took 8,000 of them, put in a ball journey bag in human condition.

Imagine the super dominos of millions of times worst.

SARAH: A million times worst. And then they send them to the camps.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BEHAR: With me to talk about it are Harvey Weinstein, co-chairman of the Weinstein company, Aidan Quinn, one of the star in "Sarah`s Key" and joining us from Paris, Tatiana de Rosnay, author of Sarah`s Key, the best selling book from which the film was adapted.

Welcome to the show.

Before we got started, I saw the movie. I read the book. I love all of it.

I`m just putting it out there. You should really catch this and read the book too.

But, Tatiana the movie was based from your novel which I just mentioned Sarah`s Key. Tell me about the inspiration for the book?

TITIANA DE ROSNAY, AUTHOR, SARAH`S KEY: in a page of the book, I just wanted to convey the pain and the horror that I felt learning so late about all this in my life. You know in France, we weren`t taught about this at school.

So I learned about it in 1995, when Jack (ph) made his famous speech that I mentioned in the book and that you see in the movie.

And it`s one I learned about it more and more that I read about it, I was so shocked so horrified that I suddenly realized that I had to write about it and that`s how the two story came to me.

To the German investigating. And so the little girl with the yellow star who`s life is going to change forever in July 42.

BEHAR: It reads like a mystery. But you know I wonder for you two guys, are you surprised at Francis` role and all of these. I mean, it was kept a secret for a long time.

Did it shock you that the French was so bad in this instance?

HARVEY WEINSTEIN, CO-CHAIRMAN, THE WEINSTEIN COMPANY: Until this, I didn`t know the story. You know and I thought you know re-done a lot of work on movies that dwelt in the holocaust in the subject matter.

But it wasn`t that I read the book, but I have no idea that this round up took place under the authority of the French police.

BEHAR: Exactly.

WEINSTEIN: and not the NATSI.

BEHAR: and right under the noses of every French citizen in Paris at that time.

WEINSTEIN: Or maybe not under their noses because some of them are conclusive in operating which is the other part of the story.

BEHAR: They sort of getting rounded up and being sent out. They`d probably felt that they were coming back maybe. Of course they never come back.

How about you Aidan?

AIDAN QUINN, ACTOR: No. I mean I knew that there was complicity and a round up and just beigely from in our time - I think we studied in history, but that was it. I didn`t know anything about the details.

And then, continually, in the recording about this film like in recent time, there`s a hundreds of friends and I have continually got by one of a --

BEHAR: It just never stock.

QUINN: Yes.

BEHAR: Tatiana, why do you think it was kept in secret for over 50 years?

ROSNAY: well you know it such a taboo subject. You know that terrible scenes when the children where separated from their parents and those town at Paris that you could see that on the screen, is almost like a shock right?

This is not thought at school at all and in fact a lot of people in France still don`t know about that today, what happen there. So I think that the reason that it was not talked about was because it was such taboo such shame for the French that for long time it was just covered with the blanket.

And now I think you know French is ready to look at that past because children are being taught about it at school which was not the case when I was young.

BEHAR: Well, the German seems to have basically have it I don`t know, exit - they have exercise a lot of this I think and they purge themselves some luck because they taught the children about the holocaust.

Not this Germany but was Germany. I wonder if the French have really been on top of this. Do you think that they really going to learn from this?

WEINSTEIN: I made a movie a few years ago called the radar.

BEHAR: Tatiana, go ahead.

ROSNAY: I think France is ready. I think there`s another movie that comes out called the round up. I go to a lot of schools with the least survivors and talked to students and they are ready to listen.

I think its very important to be doing that and I think this movie is a very important movie and I also wanted to say Joy by the way hat you have a happy author here in a sense that I think the movie really respects my book.

And I wanted to say that because some authors aren`t happy with the adaptation of their books.

BEHAR: I`m so glad to hear that. Aren`t you Harvey?

WEINSTEIN: that makes me pretty happy. I dodge to the bullet Joy.

BEHAR: you were mentioning the radar which is about the book on this topic, that was also a very good - a professional way of taking the book in the movie and they did a great job at that so.

WEINSTEIN: and since the reaction to the reader when it came out, what happen was, life touching honest book. The reader is now taught in German schools you know. In all in Germany, you know this is the book that you go to high school and you read it, its mandatory reading. And now, Sarah`s key taught in the French school.

So there`s - it good that both countries have adopted this.

BEHAR: It`s important isn`t it to have film like this Aidan.

QUINN: Yes, absolutely. I mean you know I think every country has it`s shameful past to deal with. And particularly when it deals with this situation, you`ve got to deal with it.

BEHAR: Well, in the rounding of women and children.

We will continue this in just a minute.

Sit tight.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SARAH: My father in-law at worst was there`s a day they find you Uncle Michelle.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t have an uncle.

SARAH: your mother`s younger brother.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My mother didn`t have any brother.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BEHAR: It was Christian Scott Thomas as Aidan Quinn in the new movie "Sarah`s Key" based on the novel of the same name.

You know I just read something from a de-classified British government report that said that it will have a plan to train dogs to talk to human.

Do you think it was crazy, Harvey?

WEISTEIN: Obviously. It was crazy but I think he set a new record for his insanity and evil.

BEHAR: I mean, was he crazy? Was he just evil?

I mean you never know if it is evil.

WEINSTEIN: He was crazy and evil. An ultimate.

He has a gold standard in both categories.

BEHAR: He does. And you really can`t even like comparing any body to him because the ADL will get mad if you do that. Because he was so much evil that anything to compare to him upsets the Jews.

I think it`s just interesting you know. But what about Christian Scott Thomas?

WEINSTEIN: Yes, I think she`s phenomenal actress. You know she has such ability that did not force to have such power and humor and she`s also just a very smart funny body lady.

BEHAR: She is and bilingual.

WEINSTEIN: She does mostly in French movies. Almost more that English films.

BEHAR: well I can`t express my feeling - my positive feeling about the project. I really do love it.

What`s your next project Harvey?

WEINSTEIN: Well, I dealt from serious subject matter like this which is kind a place out more like a detective because you find out that there`s a mystery in past that Christen un-covers. So it`s the present investigating the past and its mistaken identity.

And also a new character quite not aware of the events and that`s a shocking conclusion so in that way, the holocaust will place out.

And I`m doing a movie with Jessica Parker, I don`t know how she does it but maybe you know some thing about this woman who works as kids and has the balance something about that.

BEHAR: I know that story. Bring her in my show. I want to meet her.

But Aidan is going to be also in prime -

QUINN: Prime suspect with wonderful Maria Belo.

BEHAR: Maria Belo. That`s going to be a fabulous series. Good luck with that.

QUINN: Thank you.

BEHAR: and thank you everyone. Sarah`s key opens in select theater this Friday.

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