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Al Qaeda Manual; Eye on the World; Red Meat Radio; Snooze News
Aired April 01, 2004 - 05:30 ET
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COSTELLO: And here is what's all new in our next half hour.
Are you getting a good night's sleep? No. Well coming up, simple solutions for getting your Zzz's and staying healthy -- Chad.
CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Yes.
COSTELLO: She's down but certainly not out. Home and garden guru Martha Stewart gears up for the next round of her legal battle.
And a step-by-step guide to starting a terror cell. We'll get an up-close-and-personal look at a blueprint for global domination.
This is DAYBREAK for Thursday.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
COSTELLO: Vicious attacks on coalition troops and civilians alike in Iraq. We'll look at what they mean for the timetable in turning over Iraq to the Iraqis.
And good morning to you, welcome to the second half hour of DAYBREAK. It is Thursday, April 1. From the CNN Global Headquarters in Atlanta, I'm Carol Costello. Thank you for waking up with us.
Out in Madison, Wisconsin, police are looking for clues in the area where a student was found after being missing since Saturday. Audrey Seiler has been released from a hospital. She is now at home with her family.
President Bush signs a bill today making it a separate crime to harm a fetus during an assault on a pregnant woman. Supporters are calling it the Laci Peterson bill.
Michael Jackson gets the Humanitarian Award tonight from the African Ambassador's Spouses Association. Jackson is in Washington this morning to promote the fight against AIDS in Africa.
One year ago, U.S. troops rescued POW Jessica Lynch from a hospital in Iraq. Lynch says she is now looking forward to marriage and college, getting back to normal -- Chad.
MYERS: Good morning, Carol.
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COSTELLO: Something new to tell you about this morning, a chilling discovery in Indonesia, a blueprint for global domination and there is a suspected connection to al Qaeda. This comes as Indonesia prepares to hold parliamentary elections Monday and presidential elections in July.
CNN's Maria Ressa live in Jakarta this morning.
Tell us about this manual.
MARIA RESSA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Carol, the manual was discovered in what authorities said was a terrorist safe house. It is, as you said, a blueprint, of sorts, for global domination. And this makes it different. There have been about 30 or so al Qaeda training manuals that have been found around the world. They concentrate on the nuts and bolts of how to carry out terrorist attacks.
This document has a much broader picture. It is an ideological picture, basically, of how to establish an Islamic khilafah (ph) state around the world. It is a global domination bluebook, handbook, if you will, for Jemaah Islamiyah, it's al Qaeda's arm in Southeast Asia, who carried out two al Qaeda-funded attacks here in Indonesia since 9/11.
The document is written in Indonesian and in Arabic. It shows the structure of this al Qaeda group here in Indonesia. It has two divisions, one administration, one that carries out terrorist operations, and it is governed by a constitution. It has a very well defined leadership structure.
How does it go about it? It talks about patiently molding the individual, then the society and finally the world to restore an Islamic khilafah state.
Back to you -- Carol.
COSTELLO: Maria, a question for you, how valuable is this manual for investigators here in the United States who are going after al Qaeda?
RESSA: It's extremely valuable, because we have not yet seen, before this document, any ideological manual that shows you, that tells you how al Qaeda plans to establish an Islamic khilafah state around the world. This is the first of its kind. Essentially, this gives the big picture of what al Qaeda wants to do and how it is getting little groups all around the world to follow it in its like- minded goals. In effect, it shows you how al Qaeda has been able to franchise terrorism.
COSTELLO: Maria Ressa live from Jakarta with another fascinating find. Excellent work there, Maria.
And Maria will report this exclusive story in-depth tonight on "ANDERSON COOPER 360." That airs at 7:00 Eastern, 4:00 Pacific Time.
Covering the mutilation of the bodies of four American civilians in Iraq was quite a task for journalists. Our senior international editor David Clinch is with us now to talk about that horrific attack and our decisions on what to show and what not to show. We've been getting e-mails already,...
DAVID CLINCH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL EDITOR: Yes.
COSTELLO: ... because we showed very little in a Walter Rodgers report, and people were even upset about that.
CLINCH: Right. Well, it's a very difficult issue. I could only say that I think a lot of people should be very glad that they didn't have to see some of the pictures that we had to look at.
COSTELLO: I couldn't look at them.
CLINCH: But on the other hand, we judged that there were very important aspects to this story that could only be told and only illustrated by showing some of the horrific pictures from Fallujah yesterday. We did that in a very careful way within the context of the report that Walter Rodgers put together from Baghdad. We showed what was required in order to reflect the level of brutality of the attack.
It's a very difficult situation. It -- you know we had a lot of comparisons during the day yesterday to Somalia. Well, it's not, in my view, a fair comparison, because there were not pictures that could be used in the same way as the pictures from Somalia were used. The pictures that we had were so horrific that we couldn't use all of them. They were just too horrific to put on air.
COSTELLO: Well let me ask you this question and let's go a little deeper. Why was it so important to show the brutality of this attack and what it might mean?
CLINCH: Well, because one of the issues that we believe that is very important to illustrate here is that when an attack like this happens and it's insurgents attacking U.S. military targets, that's one dimension of the story.
Another, a completely separate dimension of the story, is the reaction of the local population and what they do to the bodies. So that aspect of the story can only be illustrated by showing it. When we have dead bodies from an attack by insurgents, we don't necessarily feel that it's important to show the close-ups of the bodies because that's one aspect of the story. A completely separate aspect of the story, the reaction of the crowd, what they did to the bodies, could only be shown by showing enough of it to illustrate the brutality. And we did that. I understand the frustration that we can't show more, in some ways, but it's enough to illustrate the brutality.
COSTELLO: Yes, and newspapers across the country, it's interesting to look at their front pages, all of them decided to cover the story in different ways. So there is no right answer here.
CLINCH: Correct. There is no right answer. And you know there are other outlets that perhaps showed more. There are plenty of other outlets that showed less. It's a very difficult situation. We made our own judgements and we put it in the context of the report from Baghdad.
So we'll be following up on that today in Fallujah. Obviously, one of the key questions we're asking is whether an effort is being made to recover those bodies...
COSTELLO: Yes.
CLINCH: ... of the security people that were killed yesterday.
COSTELLO: And of course we'll be talking to Jim Clancy later and also our security expert Kelly McCann.
CLINCH: Yes.
COSTELLO: David Clinch, many thanks to you.
CLINCH: OK.
COSTELLO: Coming up on DAYBREAK,...
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
AL FRANKEN, HOST, AIR AMERICA: Broadcasting from an underground bunker 3,500 feet below Dick Cheney's bunker, Air America Radio is on the air.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COSTELLO: Yes, liberal listeners, lend me your ears. The left goes head to head with the right. We'll get the inside scoop for you just ahead.
This is DAYBREAK for Thursday.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
COSTELLO: Your news, money, weather and sports. It is 5:44 Eastern Time. Here is what's all new this morning.
Near Baghdad this morning, two more roadside bombs apparently aimed at a fuel truck convoy. An Iraqi and a U.S. civilian were wounded.
What goes up must go up some more. OPEC is cutting oil output today and of course that will cause prices, gas prices here to rise further.
In money news, high school students better do more cramming before they go out into the real world. In a nationwide survey on personal finance, 12th graders got only 52 percent of the questions right.
In sports, as the hockey season winds down, Mark Messier says he is leaning toward retirement. The 43-year-old New York Ranger has played more games than anyone except Gordie Howe.
In Culture, quite a change from the days of Mowa (ph). Britney Spears, she's in China, Chad, talking with promoters about performing there this fall. Wow! What will the Mowas say about that?
MYERS: Better put some clothes on.
(WEATHER FORECAST)
COSTELLO: Stay here and join in, OK.
MYERS: Yes.
COSTELLO: Unless you have satellite radio, you probably can't dial up Air America in your town just yet. Air America hit the radio airwaves in five -- radio airwaves in five cities with political satirist Al Franken at the mike.
Let's listen to a bit of it.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
FRANKEN: No, this show is about taking back our country. It's about having fun. It's about relentlessly hammering away at the Bush administration until they crack and crumble this November, because, don't get me wrong, friends, they are going down.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COSTELLO: Now let's bring in some radio veterans and, Chad, stay with me here.
MYERS: Mark Ericson and Danielle Carrier from the "WOKQ Waking Crew in Portsmouth, New Hampshire." We talk to you all the time because we talk like this because it's kind of on the radio voice.
MARK ERICSON, "WOKQ MORNING WAKING CREW, PORTSMOUTH & MANCHESTER, NEW HAMPSHIRE": Why thank you.
MYERS: Good morning, guys.
COSTELLO: That's just wrong. He's in to impressions this morning.
ERICSON: Good for Chad.
Morning -- Carol.
COSTELLO: I'm frightened.
Hey, did you get to listen to any of Air America?
DANIELLE CARRIER, "WOKQ MORNING WAKING CREW, PORTSMOUTH & MANCHESTER, NEW HAMPSHIRE": Yes.
ERICSON: Well, actually, yes, we... CARRIER: Yes.
ERICSON: ... went out of our way to listen to it. As you indicated, over the air broadcasts, it's actually only happening in about five cities right now, New York, L.A., Chicago, Portland, Oregon and Riverside, California. We managed to do a pick up off of a satellite to hear the sign on of what Al Franken...
COSTELLO: OK, get to the dirt, how was it?
ERICSON: Extreme. Extreme I guess is the best way to put it.
CARRIER: Interesting, maybe, yes.
COSTELLO: Really?
ERICSON: Yes.
COSTELLO: Well let me quote you something from "The Washington Post." This is from our friend Howard Kurtz. He says a good radio show has strong pacing and a deft mixture of ideology, confrontation and humor. Franken's factor was meandering, almost MPR like, sounding more like someone shooting the breeze at a dinner party than trying to persuade listeners.
ERICSON: Well,...
CARRIER: Yes, well,...
ERICSON: ... you know that's probably not too far off the mark. In all fairness, it was their first day, and I think day one you've got to cut people a little bit of slack. His co-host for the program is actually an MPR veteran. And by Al Franken's own admission, he has never hosted a radio show before.
MYERS: So he didn't have the satellite dish on his head like he did on "Saturday Night Live?"
CARRIER: Yes.
(LAUGHTER)
COSTELLO: Janeane Garofalo, was she good? Because I would bet that she is pretty darn good on the radio.
ERICSON: She's a very smart lady. She's a very funny lady. But here again, we've got that situation where they are all first time radio hosts. And by design, they are looking to be a little extreme to the left to try to counterbalance what they are calling extreme right wing radio.
MYERS: Of course.
COSTELLO: Of course. Well who was the guest? Let's see, Hillary Clinton is going to be the guest today, I know that. Richard Clarke is going to be on Friday. Who did you hear yesterday? ERICSON: Michael Moore was on...
CARRIER: Michael Moore -- yes.
ERICSON: ... with Al Franken. And you know I don't know that you can build an entire radio network around a couple of comedians, albeit funny and intelligent comedians like Al Franken and Janeane Garofalo. But there is an awful lot of Bush bashing going on. I mean an awful lot of Bush bashing, and I don't know that that's going to be enough to build an entire radio network on.
CARRIER: I mean good radio is always, you know, having two sides. You can't have a good guy and a good guy. You've got to have a good guy and a bad guy. But this was almost too extreme.
MYERS: So now how did you guys listen to it? Was it XM? Was it Sirius? Well how did you hear it?
ERICSON: It's you're talking about the two nationwide satellite services,...
MYERS: Is it on there?
ERICSON: ... Chad, and it is on XM Radio.
MYERS: OK.
COSTELLO: All right, we'll listen and our viewers will listen and decide for themselves.
Thank you.
ERICSON: Thank you, Carol.
CARRIER: Thank you.
COSTELLO: Mark and Danielle.
ERICSON: Have a -- Chad.
MYERS: See you guys. Yes.
COSTELLO: We're going to take a short break. We'll be back with much more on DAYBREAK after this.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
COSTELLO: Welcome back to DAYBREAK. Checking the 'Health Headlines' for you this morning.
An experimental DNA-based vaccine protects mice from SARS. But U.S. researchers say more experiments are needed to see if the vaccine will work in humans. Scientists not involved in the study caution DNA vaccines have not shown success in treating viral diseases.
Are you looking for information about getting pregnant? Couples may get more information if a presidential panel's ideas are adopted. The biotech -- the bioethics advisors are calling for more scrutiny of in vitro fertilization techniques. More than a million test-tube babies have been born in the last 25 years.
And what is the latest snack fad? Not trans-fatty acids. "USA Today" reports food makers are removing the fat way ahead of the 2006 deadline to list it on food labels. Trans-fat has been linked to coronary heart disease and is blamed for up to 500 deaths every year.
And just a reminder, set your clocks ahead an hour on Saturday night. The switch to Daylight Savings Time may be a good time to take a look at your bedtime habits.
Some -- for some reason that makes me laugh.
Here is CNN's Holly Firfer.
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HOLLY FIRFER, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Want to know how you can help prevent diabetes, hypertension and obesity? Get a good night's sleep. Impossible you say. Well listen up, there are some simple solutions from the National Sleep Foundation to be sure you get the 7 to 9 hours of sleep recommended for adults and 10 to 11 hours school-aged children need to stay healthy.
First off, forget it's Saturday. We all look to the weekend as a time to catch up on sleep, but sleep experts say it's important to keep your body clock on the same time. So no more lazy weekend mornings, you should get up at the same time every day.
If you need a few extra hours of shuteye, you can take a nap, but only if it's for an hour or less and before 3:00 p.m. Otherwise you run the risk of having trouble falling asleep at night.
While you are awake, expose yourself to as much daylight as possible. A 45-minute daily walk outdoors is recommended.
No caffeine between four and six hours before you go to bed, and no more than two alcoholic drinks per day. Some suggest no drinks up to four hours before bedtime.
Exercising after a long day can relieve stress, but it revs you up. So sleep docs say doing so too close to bedtime can keep you awake.
As can the stimulant effects of nicotine, so no smoking either.
Use your bedroom for sleep and sex. Do not use it as an office, a place to read or watch TV.
And if you have trouble sleeping or wake up in the middle of the night, leave the bedroom and go read or listen to relaxing music. Go back to bed when you are sleepy. And whatever you do, don't look at the clock. This will just stress you out and keep you up. And as we lose an hour of sleep Saturday night, sleep experts say don't sleep in on Sunday to make up for that lost sleep. Start the transition today. Go to bed 15 minutes earlier each night so your body clock won't be telling you the wrong time.
Holly Firfer, CNN, Atlanta.
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COSTELLO: I do everything wrong.
MYERS: Yes.
COSTELLO: Everything.
For more on this or any other health story, head to our Web site. The address CNN.com/Health.
MYERS: Is that because you're only sleeping in the bedroom or what?
COSTELLO: I do everything in my bedroom.
MYERS: Well I (UNINTELLIGIBLE) and I want to know.
COSTELLO: I eat dinner there, I watch television. OK.
(LAUGHTER)
COSTELLO: Time for 'Stories From the States' right now.
MYERS: Yes.
COSTELLO: And this is on the front page of the "Star-Telegram" out of Fort Worth, Texas. It's talking about aggressive driving. You can see there, driven to anger. Apparently, incidents of aggressive driving are becoming more violent.
MYERS: Yes, pulling guns on people and things like that. You know you have to pay attention when you are driving one way or the other. I wish I had a bumper sticker on every car that just said hang up and drive, because it's just -- it's so hard to drive when you are talking on the cell phone if you're not doing the hands-free thing.
COSTELLO: What does that have to do about aggressive driving?
MYERS: Well it's not so much aggressive driving. People get aggressive because someone else did something to them. That's how I see it.
COSTELLO: Got you.
MYERS: I mean -- I mean -- you know...
COSTELLO: But you know even if you don't do anything, though, there are some drivers who are just you know what. MYERS: Absolutely. I -- absolutely.
COSTELLO: Definitely so.
MYERS: Yes.
COSTELLO: This is from "The Post & Courier" out of Charleston, South Carolina, bricks and bones at City Hall. Do you see that? An historical find. They are doing a renovation on City Hall there, and they have dug up the foundation. And underneath they have found pottery shards, bones and artifacts from 1750. A big outdoor market used to be there.
MYERS: Right.
COSTELLO: It's amazing.
MYERS: Not like Indians. You know not like Native Americans. We just think of our archeology as 250 years old, you know?
COSTELLO: Right.
MYERS: We're not -- we're not digging up Peru, you know, from 1400 BC. Yes.
COSTELLO: No, these were the founders of Charleston.
MYERS: I know. And they said this is very funny the very thing in there (ph) said one thing is for sure, these people were not vegetarians.
COSTELLO: No, they were all on the Atkins diet back then.
MYERS: Lots of meat, lots of bones.
COSTELLO: And this is in the "Daily Journal" out of northeast Mississippi. Very proud this...
MYERS: Yes.
COSTELLO: ... because Saltillo has been named one of the nation's top places to live, Saltillo, Mississippi. It says Americans are yearning for small towns again in which to live and they are flocking there by the thousands.
MYERS: Just outside of Tupelo. Yes.
COSTELLO: Definitely.
We have other -- we have other top cities. Do we have time to name the top cities? All right, let's do it then.
This is the best -- this is -- let me see where this is from. "Cities Ranked and Ratings," that's the source.
MYERS: Yes, kind of like that -- kind of like that "Places Rated" book I used to look at a long time.
COSTELLO: Got you.
MYERS: I don't know if they are still making that one or not.
COSTELLO: So the best place to live Charlottesville, Virginia.
MYERS: Yes. I believe that.
COSTELLO: The Thomas Jefferson show (ph).
MYERS: It's a -- it's a great city. You've got UVA. You've got all kinds of great stuff there. It's a great city.
COSTELLO: Great food.
Santa Fe, New Mexico comes in second. San Luis Obispo, California, just because people like the sound of the name -- not really. Santa Barbara comes in next and then Honolulu, Hawaii.
MYERS: Hey!
COSTELLO: In at No. 6, Ann Arbor, Michigan.
MYERS: Right.
COSTELLO: Atlanta comes in at No. 7.
MYERS: Doesn't surprise me, good city.
COSTELLO: Really?
Asheville, North Carolina, then Reno and then Corvallis, Oregon.
MYERS: Beautiful place out there.
COSTELLO: We'll be right back with much more. You stay right there.
MYERS: Where did that come from?
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Aired April 1, 2004 - 05:30 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
COSTELLO: And here is what's all new in our next half hour.
Are you getting a good night's sleep? No. Well coming up, simple solutions for getting your Zzz's and staying healthy -- Chad.
CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Yes.
COSTELLO: She's down but certainly not out. Home and garden guru Martha Stewart gears up for the next round of her legal battle.
And a step-by-step guide to starting a terror cell. We'll get an up-close-and-personal look at a blueprint for global domination.
This is DAYBREAK for Thursday.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
COSTELLO: Vicious attacks on coalition troops and civilians alike in Iraq. We'll look at what they mean for the timetable in turning over Iraq to the Iraqis.
And good morning to you, welcome to the second half hour of DAYBREAK. It is Thursday, April 1. From the CNN Global Headquarters in Atlanta, I'm Carol Costello. Thank you for waking up with us.
Out in Madison, Wisconsin, police are looking for clues in the area where a student was found after being missing since Saturday. Audrey Seiler has been released from a hospital. She is now at home with her family.
President Bush signs a bill today making it a separate crime to harm a fetus during an assault on a pregnant woman. Supporters are calling it the Laci Peterson bill.
Michael Jackson gets the Humanitarian Award tonight from the African Ambassador's Spouses Association. Jackson is in Washington this morning to promote the fight against AIDS in Africa.
One year ago, U.S. troops rescued POW Jessica Lynch from a hospital in Iraq. Lynch says she is now looking forward to marriage and college, getting back to normal -- Chad.
MYERS: Good morning, Carol.
(WEATHER REPORT)
COSTELLO: Something new to tell you about this morning, a chilling discovery in Indonesia, a blueprint for global domination and there is a suspected connection to al Qaeda. This comes as Indonesia prepares to hold parliamentary elections Monday and presidential elections in July.
CNN's Maria Ressa live in Jakarta this morning.
Tell us about this manual.
MARIA RESSA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Carol, the manual was discovered in what authorities said was a terrorist safe house. It is, as you said, a blueprint, of sorts, for global domination. And this makes it different. There have been about 30 or so al Qaeda training manuals that have been found around the world. They concentrate on the nuts and bolts of how to carry out terrorist attacks.
This document has a much broader picture. It is an ideological picture, basically, of how to establish an Islamic khilafah (ph) state around the world. It is a global domination bluebook, handbook, if you will, for Jemaah Islamiyah, it's al Qaeda's arm in Southeast Asia, who carried out two al Qaeda-funded attacks here in Indonesia since 9/11.
The document is written in Indonesian and in Arabic. It shows the structure of this al Qaeda group here in Indonesia. It has two divisions, one administration, one that carries out terrorist operations, and it is governed by a constitution. It has a very well defined leadership structure.
How does it go about it? It talks about patiently molding the individual, then the society and finally the world to restore an Islamic khilafah state.
Back to you -- Carol.
COSTELLO: Maria, a question for you, how valuable is this manual for investigators here in the United States who are going after al Qaeda?
RESSA: It's extremely valuable, because we have not yet seen, before this document, any ideological manual that shows you, that tells you how al Qaeda plans to establish an Islamic khilafah state around the world. This is the first of its kind. Essentially, this gives the big picture of what al Qaeda wants to do and how it is getting little groups all around the world to follow it in its like- minded goals. In effect, it shows you how al Qaeda has been able to franchise terrorism.
COSTELLO: Maria Ressa live from Jakarta with another fascinating find. Excellent work there, Maria.
And Maria will report this exclusive story in-depth tonight on "ANDERSON COOPER 360." That airs at 7:00 Eastern, 4:00 Pacific Time.
Covering the mutilation of the bodies of four American civilians in Iraq was quite a task for journalists. Our senior international editor David Clinch is with us now to talk about that horrific attack and our decisions on what to show and what not to show. We've been getting e-mails already,...
DAVID CLINCH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL EDITOR: Yes.
COSTELLO: ... because we showed very little in a Walter Rodgers report, and people were even upset about that.
CLINCH: Right. Well, it's a very difficult issue. I could only say that I think a lot of people should be very glad that they didn't have to see some of the pictures that we had to look at.
COSTELLO: I couldn't look at them.
CLINCH: But on the other hand, we judged that there were very important aspects to this story that could only be told and only illustrated by showing some of the horrific pictures from Fallujah yesterday. We did that in a very careful way within the context of the report that Walter Rodgers put together from Baghdad. We showed what was required in order to reflect the level of brutality of the attack.
It's a very difficult situation. It -- you know we had a lot of comparisons during the day yesterday to Somalia. Well, it's not, in my view, a fair comparison, because there were not pictures that could be used in the same way as the pictures from Somalia were used. The pictures that we had were so horrific that we couldn't use all of them. They were just too horrific to put on air.
COSTELLO: Well let me ask you this question and let's go a little deeper. Why was it so important to show the brutality of this attack and what it might mean?
CLINCH: Well, because one of the issues that we believe that is very important to illustrate here is that when an attack like this happens and it's insurgents attacking U.S. military targets, that's one dimension of the story.
Another, a completely separate dimension of the story, is the reaction of the local population and what they do to the bodies. So that aspect of the story can only be illustrated by showing it. When we have dead bodies from an attack by insurgents, we don't necessarily feel that it's important to show the close-ups of the bodies because that's one aspect of the story. A completely separate aspect of the story, the reaction of the crowd, what they did to the bodies, could only be shown by showing enough of it to illustrate the brutality. And we did that. I understand the frustration that we can't show more, in some ways, but it's enough to illustrate the brutality.
COSTELLO: Yes, and newspapers across the country, it's interesting to look at their front pages, all of them decided to cover the story in different ways. So there is no right answer here.
CLINCH: Correct. There is no right answer. And you know there are other outlets that perhaps showed more. There are plenty of other outlets that showed less. It's a very difficult situation. We made our own judgements and we put it in the context of the report from Baghdad.
So we'll be following up on that today in Fallujah. Obviously, one of the key questions we're asking is whether an effort is being made to recover those bodies...
COSTELLO: Yes.
CLINCH: ... of the security people that were killed yesterday.
COSTELLO: And of course we'll be talking to Jim Clancy later and also our security expert Kelly McCann.
CLINCH: Yes.
COSTELLO: David Clinch, many thanks to you.
CLINCH: OK.
COSTELLO: Coming up on DAYBREAK,...
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
AL FRANKEN, HOST, AIR AMERICA: Broadcasting from an underground bunker 3,500 feet below Dick Cheney's bunker, Air America Radio is on the air.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COSTELLO: Yes, liberal listeners, lend me your ears. The left goes head to head with the right. We'll get the inside scoop for you just ahead.
This is DAYBREAK for Thursday.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
COSTELLO: Your news, money, weather and sports. It is 5:44 Eastern Time. Here is what's all new this morning.
Near Baghdad this morning, two more roadside bombs apparently aimed at a fuel truck convoy. An Iraqi and a U.S. civilian were wounded.
What goes up must go up some more. OPEC is cutting oil output today and of course that will cause prices, gas prices here to rise further.
In money news, high school students better do more cramming before they go out into the real world. In a nationwide survey on personal finance, 12th graders got only 52 percent of the questions right.
In sports, as the hockey season winds down, Mark Messier says he is leaning toward retirement. The 43-year-old New York Ranger has played more games than anyone except Gordie Howe.
In Culture, quite a change from the days of Mowa (ph). Britney Spears, she's in China, Chad, talking with promoters about performing there this fall. Wow! What will the Mowas say about that?
MYERS: Better put some clothes on.
(WEATHER FORECAST)
COSTELLO: Stay here and join in, OK.
MYERS: Yes.
COSTELLO: Unless you have satellite radio, you probably can't dial up Air America in your town just yet. Air America hit the radio airwaves in five -- radio airwaves in five cities with political satirist Al Franken at the mike.
Let's listen to a bit of it.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
FRANKEN: No, this show is about taking back our country. It's about having fun. It's about relentlessly hammering away at the Bush administration until they crack and crumble this November, because, don't get me wrong, friends, they are going down.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COSTELLO: Now let's bring in some radio veterans and, Chad, stay with me here.
MYERS: Mark Ericson and Danielle Carrier from the "WOKQ Waking Crew in Portsmouth, New Hampshire." We talk to you all the time because we talk like this because it's kind of on the radio voice.
MARK ERICSON, "WOKQ MORNING WAKING CREW, PORTSMOUTH & MANCHESTER, NEW HAMPSHIRE": Why thank you.
MYERS: Good morning, guys.
COSTELLO: That's just wrong. He's in to impressions this morning.
ERICSON: Good for Chad.
Morning -- Carol.
COSTELLO: I'm frightened.
Hey, did you get to listen to any of Air America?
DANIELLE CARRIER, "WOKQ MORNING WAKING CREW, PORTSMOUTH & MANCHESTER, NEW HAMPSHIRE": Yes.
ERICSON: Well, actually, yes, we... CARRIER: Yes.
ERICSON: ... went out of our way to listen to it. As you indicated, over the air broadcasts, it's actually only happening in about five cities right now, New York, L.A., Chicago, Portland, Oregon and Riverside, California. We managed to do a pick up off of a satellite to hear the sign on of what Al Franken...
COSTELLO: OK, get to the dirt, how was it?
ERICSON: Extreme. Extreme I guess is the best way to put it.
CARRIER: Interesting, maybe, yes.
COSTELLO: Really?
ERICSON: Yes.
COSTELLO: Well let me quote you something from "The Washington Post." This is from our friend Howard Kurtz. He says a good radio show has strong pacing and a deft mixture of ideology, confrontation and humor. Franken's factor was meandering, almost MPR like, sounding more like someone shooting the breeze at a dinner party than trying to persuade listeners.
ERICSON: Well,...
CARRIER: Yes, well,...
ERICSON: ... you know that's probably not too far off the mark. In all fairness, it was their first day, and I think day one you've got to cut people a little bit of slack. His co-host for the program is actually an MPR veteran. And by Al Franken's own admission, he has never hosted a radio show before.
MYERS: So he didn't have the satellite dish on his head like he did on "Saturday Night Live?"
CARRIER: Yes.
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COSTELLO: Janeane Garofalo, was she good? Because I would bet that she is pretty darn good on the radio.
ERICSON: She's a very smart lady. She's a very funny lady. But here again, we've got that situation where they are all first time radio hosts. And by design, they are looking to be a little extreme to the left to try to counterbalance what they are calling extreme right wing radio.
MYERS: Of course.
COSTELLO: Of course. Well who was the guest? Let's see, Hillary Clinton is going to be the guest today, I know that. Richard Clarke is going to be on Friday. Who did you hear yesterday? ERICSON: Michael Moore was on...
CARRIER: Michael Moore -- yes.
ERICSON: ... with Al Franken. And you know I don't know that you can build an entire radio network around a couple of comedians, albeit funny and intelligent comedians like Al Franken and Janeane Garofalo. But there is an awful lot of Bush bashing going on. I mean an awful lot of Bush bashing, and I don't know that that's going to be enough to build an entire radio network on.
CARRIER: I mean good radio is always, you know, having two sides. You can't have a good guy and a good guy. You've got to have a good guy and a bad guy. But this was almost too extreme.
MYERS: So now how did you guys listen to it? Was it XM? Was it Sirius? Well how did you hear it?
ERICSON: It's you're talking about the two nationwide satellite services,...
MYERS: Is it on there?
ERICSON: ... Chad, and it is on XM Radio.
MYERS: OK.
COSTELLO: All right, we'll listen and our viewers will listen and decide for themselves.
Thank you.
ERICSON: Thank you, Carol.
CARRIER: Thank you.
COSTELLO: Mark and Danielle.
ERICSON: Have a -- Chad.
MYERS: See you guys. Yes.
COSTELLO: We're going to take a short break. We'll be back with much more on DAYBREAK after this.
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COSTELLO: Welcome back to DAYBREAK. Checking the 'Health Headlines' for you this morning.
An experimental DNA-based vaccine protects mice from SARS. But U.S. researchers say more experiments are needed to see if the vaccine will work in humans. Scientists not involved in the study caution DNA vaccines have not shown success in treating viral diseases.
Are you looking for information about getting pregnant? Couples may get more information if a presidential panel's ideas are adopted. The biotech -- the bioethics advisors are calling for more scrutiny of in vitro fertilization techniques. More than a million test-tube babies have been born in the last 25 years.
And what is the latest snack fad? Not trans-fatty acids. "USA Today" reports food makers are removing the fat way ahead of the 2006 deadline to list it on food labels. Trans-fat has been linked to coronary heart disease and is blamed for up to 500 deaths every year.
And just a reminder, set your clocks ahead an hour on Saturday night. The switch to Daylight Savings Time may be a good time to take a look at your bedtime habits.
Some -- for some reason that makes me laugh.
Here is CNN's Holly Firfer.
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HOLLY FIRFER, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Want to know how you can help prevent diabetes, hypertension and obesity? Get a good night's sleep. Impossible you say. Well listen up, there are some simple solutions from the National Sleep Foundation to be sure you get the 7 to 9 hours of sleep recommended for adults and 10 to 11 hours school-aged children need to stay healthy.
First off, forget it's Saturday. We all look to the weekend as a time to catch up on sleep, but sleep experts say it's important to keep your body clock on the same time. So no more lazy weekend mornings, you should get up at the same time every day.
If you need a few extra hours of shuteye, you can take a nap, but only if it's for an hour or less and before 3:00 p.m. Otherwise you run the risk of having trouble falling asleep at night.
While you are awake, expose yourself to as much daylight as possible. A 45-minute daily walk outdoors is recommended.
No caffeine between four and six hours before you go to bed, and no more than two alcoholic drinks per day. Some suggest no drinks up to four hours before bedtime.
Exercising after a long day can relieve stress, but it revs you up. So sleep docs say doing so too close to bedtime can keep you awake.
As can the stimulant effects of nicotine, so no smoking either.
Use your bedroom for sleep and sex. Do not use it as an office, a place to read or watch TV.
And if you have trouble sleeping or wake up in the middle of the night, leave the bedroom and go read or listen to relaxing music. Go back to bed when you are sleepy. And whatever you do, don't look at the clock. This will just stress you out and keep you up. And as we lose an hour of sleep Saturday night, sleep experts say don't sleep in on Sunday to make up for that lost sleep. Start the transition today. Go to bed 15 minutes earlier each night so your body clock won't be telling you the wrong time.
Holly Firfer, CNN, Atlanta.
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COSTELLO: I do everything wrong.
MYERS: Yes.
COSTELLO: Everything.
For more on this or any other health story, head to our Web site. The address CNN.com/Health.
MYERS: Is that because you're only sleeping in the bedroom or what?
COSTELLO: I do everything in my bedroom.
MYERS: Well I (UNINTELLIGIBLE) and I want to know.
COSTELLO: I eat dinner there, I watch television. OK.
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COSTELLO: Time for 'Stories From the States' right now.
MYERS: Yes.
COSTELLO: And this is on the front page of the "Star-Telegram" out of Fort Worth, Texas. It's talking about aggressive driving. You can see there, driven to anger. Apparently, incidents of aggressive driving are becoming more violent.
MYERS: Yes, pulling guns on people and things like that. You know you have to pay attention when you are driving one way or the other. I wish I had a bumper sticker on every car that just said hang up and drive, because it's just -- it's so hard to drive when you are talking on the cell phone if you're not doing the hands-free thing.
COSTELLO: What does that have to do about aggressive driving?
MYERS: Well it's not so much aggressive driving. People get aggressive because someone else did something to them. That's how I see it.
COSTELLO: Got you.
MYERS: I mean -- I mean -- you know...
COSTELLO: But you know even if you don't do anything, though, there are some drivers who are just you know what. MYERS: Absolutely. I -- absolutely.
COSTELLO: Definitely so.
MYERS: Yes.
COSTELLO: This is from "The Post & Courier" out of Charleston, South Carolina, bricks and bones at City Hall. Do you see that? An historical find. They are doing a renovation on City Hall there, and they have dug up the foundation. And underneath they have found pottery shards, bones and artifacts from 1750. A big outdoor market used to be there.
MYERS: Right.
COSTELLO: It's amazing.
MYERS: Not like Indians. You know not like Native Americans. We just think of our archeology as 250 years old, you know?
COSTELLO: Right.
MYERS: We're not -- we're not digging up Peru, you know, from 1400 BC. Yes.
COSTELLO: No, these were the founders of Charleston.
MYERS: I know. And they said this is very funny the very thing in there (ph) said one thing is for sure, these people were not vegetarians.
COSTELLO: No, they were all on the Atkins diet back then.
MYERS: Lots of meat, lots of bones.
COSTELLO: And this is in the "Daily Journal" out of northeast Mississippi. Very proud this...
MYERS: Yes.
COSTELLO: ... because Saltillo has been named one of the nation's top places to live, Saltillo, Mississippi. It says Americans are yearning for small towns again in which to live and they are flocking there by the thousands.
MYERS: Just outside of Tupelo. Yes.
COSTELLO: Definitely.
We have other -- we have other top cities. Do we have time to name the top cities? All right, let's do it then.
This is the best -- this is -- let me see where this is from. "Cities Ranked and Ratings," that's the source.
MYERS: Yes, kind of like that -- kind of like that "Places Rated" book I used to look at a long time.
COSTELLO: Got you.
MYERS: I don't know if they are still making that one or not.
COSTELLO: So the best place to live Charlottesville, Virginia.
MYERS: Yes. I believe that.
COSTELLO: The Thomas Jefferson show (ph).
MYERS: It's a -- it's a great city. You've got UVA. You've got all kinds of great stuff there. It's a great city.
COSTELLO: Great food.
Santa Fe, New Mexico comes in second. San Luis Obispo, California, just because people like the sound of the name -- not really. Santa Barbara comes in next and then Honolulu, Hawaii.
MYERS: Hey!
COSTELLO: In at No. 6, Ann Arbor, Michigan.
MYERS: Right.
COSTELLO: Atlanta comes in at No. 7.
MYERS: Doesn't surprise me, good city.
COSTELLO: Really?
Asheville, North Carolina, then Reno and then Corvallis, Oregon.
MYERS: Beautiful place out there.
COSTELLO: We'll be right back with much more. You stay right there.
MYERS: Where did that come from?
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