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Attack on Abu Ghraib; Pope John Paul II

Aired April 04, 2005 - 05:30   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


KELLY WALLACE, CNN ANCHOR: And good morning to you, welcome to the second half-hour of DAYBREAK. From the Time Warner Center in New York, I'm Kelly Wallace, in today for Carol Costello.
"Now in the News."

The body of Pope John Paul II will be moved today to St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican for viewing by the general public. Authorities in Rome expect as many as two million visitors to pay their last respects. Cardinals from around the world are meeting this morning for the first time since the pope died on Saturday.

Viktor Yushchenko, the new president of the Ukraine, meets with President Bush this morning at the White House. Yushchenko says one agenda item arm sales by Ukraine to countries like Iran and China.

Opening day at Yankee Stadium and the Yanks beat the world champion Boston Red Sox 9 to 2. In his debut from New York, Randy Johnson recorded the 247th victory of his career.

And Pennsylvania's governor has declared 10 counties disaster areas due to heavy rain and snow. Hundreds of people have been washed out of their homes. Flood warnings extend through the central and eastern parts of the state.

Another good morning to Chad in Atlanta. Chad, snow in April in Pennsylvania?

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Kelly, yes, most of the rain is out of the northeast for now. And that's some of the good news, I guess.

WALLACE: That's good.

MYERS: It's still raining in some spots here, but it's so very light.

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Sorry if I didn't answer your question, Kelly, but I couldn't hear you earlier, but now I can.

WALLACE: Now you can. I was just talking about snow in April in Pennsylvania -- Chad.

MYERS: It did snow. It snowed in Buffalo. It snowed in Erie, Pennsylvania. It also snowed into places like Cleveland, Ohio, but that is now all gone.

WALLACE: That's good, good to hear.

MYERS: Thanks. Correct.

WALLACE: OK, Chad, talk to you in a few minutes.

MYERS: All right.

WALLACE: Thanks so much.

MYERS: OK. You're welcome.

WALLACE: Updating you all now on the Iraq War. There has been a bold and -- quote -- "well coordinated" insurgent attack on the infamous Abu Ghraib Prison outside Baghdad.

CNN's Aneesh Raman reports live from the Iraqi capital.

Aneesh, good to see you. What gives U.S. military officials sort of the thinking that this is -- quote -- "well coordinated?"

ANEESH RAMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Kelly, good morning to you.

More details emerging about what took place on Saturday. The reason they say it's well coordinated essentially begins with the numbers. Somewhere upwards of 60 insurgents were involved in this attack, using two car bombs, rocket-propelled grenades and mortars.

The U.S. military now telling us the fight lasted for about an hour. They had to call in air support. In the end, some 20 U.S. military personnel were injured, one of whom had to be sent to Germany for treatment, also 13 detainees. One of the attackers was killed in the incident, at least one.

On the Web sites today, Kelly, also Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's group, al Qaeda in Iraq, is claiming responsibility. This is part of a new pattern we've seen from insurgents, less frequent but larger numbers in the attacks. They're very -- they're better coordinated and involve more insurgents than we've tended to see in the past -- Kelly.

WALLACE: Of course, Aneesh, over the weekend, the Iraqi National Assembly choosing a speaker several weeks after the national elections. Who did they choose and the significance of the choice?

RAMAN: Yes, as you say, two months after Iraqis went to the polls, they have now, the National Assembly, elected a speaker, Hashim al-Hasani. He's a Sunni. All expectations have been that a Sunni would take that post. They also elected a Kurd and a Shi'a for the two deputy positions.

They're going to reconvene on Wednesday at which point they'll elect a presidency council. Everyone expecting the Kurd, Jalal Talabani, to take that top spot. But this really jumpstarts an effectively stalled negotiation process that really had begun to cripple the government in terms of confidence by the Iraqi people. So they're hoping this week can be a turning point for the government to take shape and for it to start to take action -- Kelly.

WALLACE: How much power will this new speaker have -- Aneesh?

RAMAN: Well really what his role will be most powerful in doing is creating the constitution. He won't have much say in terms of the day-to-day affairs, that will fall to the prime minister and the president. But he will be in charge of laying out the rules for this National Assembly and also who will be on the certain committees dealing with the constitution. So that's clearly his focus -- Kelly.

WALLACE: All right, Aneesh, thanks so much. Aneesh Raman reporting live from Baghdad.

The first Medal of Honor of the Iraq War will be awarded today. It goes posthumously to Army Sergeant 1st Class Paul Smith. With his unit under attack two years ago on the outskirts of Baghdad, Sgt. Smith manned a 50-caliber machine gun. He held off the attackers firing hundreds of rounds and saving as many as 40 of his comrades before he was shot to death.

Well news now about Pope John Paul II and his passing this weekend. As we've been telling you, the College of Cardinals will meet today to hear instructions left by the pope and to plan his funeral. Then comes the task, a very big task, of finding someone to fill his shoes.

Joining us again from Rome, Vatican expert Father Greg Apparcel.

Father, thanks again for being with us. Just to update our viewers, once again, exactly what the cardinals will decide in this meeting today concerning the funeral and burial for the pope.

REV. GREG APPARCEL, VATICAN EXPERT: The cardinals are meeting right now, the College of Cardinals, all of them, even those over 80 years old who will not be able to vote, are deciding what time and what day the funeral will be, what time and how long the viewing of the pope's body will be by the faithful, by the people, which we think will begin later on this afternoon.

They'll decide two people, two theologians who will speak to them about the state of the church and also how they must have careful discernment in choosing the next pope, among many other things.

WALLACE: And as our viewers, again, watching Pope John Paul II, the body of the pope lying in state at the Apostolic Palace, dignitaries, journalists paying their respects before the body moved to St. Peter's Basilica today for the general public.

Father, give us a sense of some of the major challenges that will face the successor to Pope John Paul II. APPARCEL: Well I think following the legacy of John Paul and following what he attempted to do by reaching out to all kinds of different people, to Jewish people, to Muslims, to people who aren't Catholic but are Christian in other churches and to try to continue to spread that unit. He once said that the first millennium was of unity and the theme of the second millennium was disunity. The third millennium should be reunion and the coming together. And so I believe that's what the next pope will attempt to do with the church.

WALLACE: And looking ahead to the conclave that could start between 15 and 20 days from now in terms of choosing the next pope, it looks like Pope John Paul II made a few changes in terms of how the conclave will work. Tell us some of the changes he made.

APPARCEL: Well the fact that it begins in 15 to 20 days, but also that the person who is elected will be elected with a two-thirds majority. And then after a certain amount of time if no one has been elected, then it will come down to a simple majority, if all the cardinals there agree to that.

WALLACE: I understand he's also...

APPARCEL: So there won't be a stalemate.

WALLACE: Right. I understand he also chose to ban the use of cell phones. Is that correct?

APPARCEL: As far as I know there should be no communication whatsoever from the conclave. It is totally secret. In fact, the cardinals today in their meeting are supposed to swear to the secrecy of what happens in the conclave.

WALLACE: All right, it will be interesting to watch it all unfold.

APPARCEL: You're welcome.

WALLACE: Father Greg Apparcel, joining us from Rome, we thank you very much for being here on DAYBREAK.

APPARCEL: Thank you -- Kelly.

WALLACE: Mourning Pope John Paul II continuing around the world. Catholic worshipers packed churches across America on Sunday, attending mass in memory of the pope.

Here in New York, St. Patrick's Cathedral overflowed with people, among them, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and daughter, Chelsea. Mrs. Clinton met with the pope when she was first lady. She and others had these recollections of the pope in our "Beyond the Soundbite."

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SEN. HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON (D), NEW YORK: His energy, his charisma, his spiritual strength was so palpable, yet he had a wonderful sense of humor. He was always asking after my daughter. He met her one time, and he was always so interested in what was happening in the United States. His humanity, combined with his extraordinary spiritual authority was unlike anything I've ever met.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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GOV. GEORGE PATAKI (R), NEW YORK: When you were with Pope John Paul II, you sensed that you were with someone different. Someone who had the calmness of faith, the strength of his convictions and yet this joy that came from just being surrounded by people. And it just made you feel wonderful and at peace yourself to be in his presence.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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CARDINAL THEODORE MCCARRICK, ARCHBISHOP OF WASHINGTON: He was a strong leader. He was a brilliant guide. But more than anything else, I think he was a man who loved people. And people understood that and people reacted to that. And especially young people, who are so sensitive to affection, they saw how much he loved them, and it was that which was the basis of that tremendous charism that he had with young people. He was an extraordinary man.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

AUX. BISHOP FELIPE J. ESTEVEZ, ARCHDIOCESE OF MIAMI: The pontiff demonstrated by his past travels, including his visit to Miami in 1987, that we are all God's children and that we must learn to live in peace and not make war.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE: Some of the sounds of those reflecting and remembering Pope John Paul II this weekend.

We have been asking you for your thoughts. E-mail them to us at DAYBREAK@CNN.com. Share your thoughts on Pope John Paul II. And we have been getting lots of e-mails.

This one from Jim (ph). He says Pope John Paul II should be an example to all of us in this troubled world. Pope John Paul II cared about everyone. This holy man should be recognized as one of greatness, if not the greatest pope to occupy the Vatican.

And this one from Micah (ph) says I'm not Catholic, but the pope's influence goes beyond religious denominations. The pope was a great human above all who truly had a great influence on world peace. He's almost like a rock star in that he was able to use his popularity, not just with Catholics, but with all people of the world, to bring peace, much in the way John Lennon did or Bono has done. And then there are those who didn't necessarily agree with all of the pope's beliefs. This from Christopher (ph) in Los Angeles. He says the pope's views on abortion and homosexuality I will never agree with. I also wish he did more in reaction to child abuse allegations within the church. But despite all this, I know he was so full of love. I love him because his love didn't discriminate.

Just some thoughts that we're getting from you. Please e-mail us, DAYBREAK@CNN.com, again, as you are watching there live pictures of Pope John Paul II lying in state.

Well for the Polish people the loss of Pope John Paul II is especially personal. Coming up in just about 10 minutes, a live report on the mourning in Krakow, Poland.

DAYBREAK will be right back.

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WALLACE: And welcome back.

Your news, money, weather and sports. It's just about 45 minutes after the hour. And here is what is all new this morning.

At the Vatican, Pope John Paul's body will be moved to St. Peter's Basilica. Public viewing begins this afternoon and up to two million visitors are expected.

In Washington State, an Amtrak passenger train derailed along the Columbia River. The engine and four cars left the tracks, but the cars stayed mostly upright. About two dozen people were slightly hurt.

In money, the popular artificial sweetener Splenda is going brown. Called Splenda Brown Sugar Blend, it can be used for baking as a replacement for brown sugar.

In culture, turnabout is fair play. At the raucous 18th Annual Kids' Choice Awards on Nickelodeon, actor Johnny Depp intended to slim host Ben Stiller, but as you see got the green goo dumped on himself instead.

And in sports, the seeds have it, I guess you can say. Two No. 1 seeds, Illinois and North Carolina, will battle it out in tonight's title game in the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament.

Chad Myers, on the air, predicting a North Carolina victory tonight -- Chad.

MYERS: Yes, by seven. I think Illinois is a great team. I just think I watched North Carolina just really take command of that ballgame on Saturday. So we will see if they can do the same with Illinois or not. I'm sure a lot of Illinois fans out there are saying wait a minute, no.

(WEATHER REPORT) WALLACE: All right, Chad, we'll talk to you in a few minutes. Thanks so much.

And coming up on DAYBREAK, Poland remembering a pontiff, one of their own who helped change the fabric of the country, a live report after the break.

But first, this look back on one of the many journeys of Pope John Paul II.

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WALLACE: Pope John Paul II will always be Poland's favorite son. Thousands are remembering the first Polish pope with candlelight vigils and memorials.

CNN's Chris Burns joins us now live from Krakow with more on the pope's home country.

Good morning -- Chris.

CHRIS BURNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Kelly, the emotions still very strong here on the day after, two days after the pope had died. In fact, the first newspaper is out. This one simply saying our father. And that is generally the feeling among so many people here right outside the Apostolic residence, the window from which the pope used to speak to his people.

And now the people are filing by, thousands and thousands, day and night. The flowers and the candles are brimming up the sidewalks. The flowers are brimming from the windows of this Apostolic residence.

And across the country, we're seeing similar scenes. Across the country, just outside of town here is the Sanctuary for Divine Mercy that the pope established. And over there, there were some 200,000 people who turned out last night to services there, remaining there throughout the night. And also in Warsaw, a very large mass that was held yesterday, some 100,000 people turned out for that.

And again today there will be another mass on that main square, that at the communist era was called Victory Square by the communist- led government was later named back for the Polish nationalist Pilsudski's Square after the pope helped to usher this country back to democracy and capitalism.

In other parts of the country, as well in Wadowice, in his hometown, a bust has been erected outside of the church and right near the apartment where he was born. They hope to build a statue there.

Keep in mind that the feeling for this man here is not only a spiritual feeling, but of course a political one as well. And even if you look at some of the surveys, even a Catholic Church survey said that some, only about 10 percent of the country really strictly follows what the pope had preached. They mainly see him as a father of their country and that's how they respect him today.

Back to you.

WALLACE: Chris, thank you so much. Chris Burns reporting from Krakow, Poland, as people in that country remember and reflect.

Well here in the United States, as well, many Polish communities are remembering Pope John Paul II.

CNN's Susan Lisovicz has more from one of those communities in Wallington, New Jersey.

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SUSAN LISOVICZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is one of a handful of masses celebrated in Polish every weekend in Wallington, New Jersey, but these are not ordinary times for the faithful here. Eighty percent of the town's 15,000 residents are of Polish decent. Pope John Paul II is considered a blood brother.

REV. FELIX MARCINIAK, MOST SACRED HEART OF JESUS CHURCH: There's a personal identification with the holy father. He's a sign of pride for us. He's not only our spiritual leader, but he also brought Poland out of obscurity. As American's with Polish descent, he gave us a sense of ourselves, this new man in Rome.

LISOVICZ: Anjay Coletta (ph) says he sent his famous kielbasa to the Polish pontiff.

ANJAY COLETTA, WALLINGTON, N.J. RESIDENT: Actually he took the kielbasa, he says he likes it.

LISOVICZ: Margaret Maharcheck (ph) has led pilgrimages to the Vatican and is one of many people here who have had a private papal audience.

MARGARET MAHARCHECK, WALLINGTON, N.J. RESIDENT: It's kind of like a magic. You so close to him and you try to tell him something and you forget. You don't know what you want to tell him.

LISOVICZ (on camera): Polish pride and Catholicism are inseparable in Wallington. I know this firsthand because this is my hometown where I attended school, took Polish classes and attended mass. The folks here are still talking about the day a Polish cardinal was elected pope.

CAROL KOSIER, WALLINGTON, N.J. RESIDENT: I remember people on the sidewalks in the streets just coming up to each other, hugging each other, saying have you heard, isn't it amazing, isn't it wonderful. But after that day, it turned out that he was even more wonderful than we could have even imagined on that day.

LISOVICZ (voice-over): Because Pope John Paul II returned to Poland to challenge the communist regime. Poland's independence was the beginning of the collapse of the Soviet Union. The mayor of Wallington says John Paul II ranks with the great revolutionary war hero General Casimir Pulaski. MAYOR WALTER WARGACKI, WALLINGTON, NEW JERSEY: Freedom is the key to both of them. Pulaski came to fight for freedom and the pope saw freedom come to his native country, Poland, and he was instrumental in doing that.

LISOVICZ: Many of Wallington's residents were able to leave Poland after the fall of communism. Pope John Paul II is not only their spiritual leader but their hero.

Susan Lisovicz, CNN, Wallington, New Jersey.

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WALLACE: And time now to read some e-mail. We've been asking your thoughts, share your thoughts with us about Pope John Paul II. E-mail us at DAYBREAK@CNN.com.

Chad, I know you're joining me.

MYERS: Yes.

WALLACE: Give me a sense of one of the e-mails you are looking at right now.

MYERS: Got one from Gene (ph) in Mission Viaho (ph). He said Pope John Paul for me is the most influential leader of all time. The world is mourning by his loss and his passing but his memory will last a lifetime. I've only seen him on TV, but he has touched my life in so many ways.

WALLACE: And, Chad, I have this one from Frank (ph). And he says I am a Catholic but not a practicing Catholic. Yet I have been glued to my television the past few days, not out of morbid curiosity, but out of respect for a man whose greatness cannot be measured in just his teachings and writings but indeed in the way he has moved the entire world both in his remarkable life and now with the grace he accepted in his death.

What else do you have there -- Chad?

MYERS: Jim (ph) says Pope John Paul II should be an example to all of us in this troubled world. As the pope, he was great. John Paul II, though, cared about everyone. This holy man should be recognized as one of the greatest, of his greatness, for his greatness, but not only just because he may have been the greatest pope to occupy the Vatican, but as a man as well.

WALLACE: All right, Chad, we're hearing so much, and people even who didn't agree with all the beliefs of the pope still saying they are going to miss him greatly.

Chad, we'll talk to you in a little bit.

MYERS: OK. WALLACE: The next hour of DAYBREAK begins right now.

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Aired April 4, 2005 - 05:30   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
KELLY WALLACE, CNN ANCHOR: And good morning to you, welcome to the second half-hour of DAYBREAK. From the Time Warner Center in New York, I'm Kelly Wallace, in today for Carol Costello.
"Now in the News."

The body of Pope John Paul II will be moved today to St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican for viewing by the general public. Authorities in Rome expect as many as two million visitors to pay their last respects. Cardinals from around the world are meeting this morning for the first time since the pope died on Saturday.

Viktor Yushchenko, the new president of the Ukraine, meets with President Bush this morning at the White House. Yushchenko says one agenda item arm sales by Ukraine to countries like Iran and China.

Opening day at Yankee Stadium and the Yanks beat the world champion Boston Red Sox 9 to 2. In his debut from New York, Randy Johnson recorded the 247th victory of his career.

And Pennsylvania's governor has declared 10 counties disaster areas due to heavy rain and snow. Hundreds of people have been washed out of their homes. Flood warnings extend through the central and eastern parts of the state.

Another good morning to Chad in Atlanta. Chad, snow in April in Pennsylvania?

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Kelly, yes, most of the rain is out of the northeast for now. And that's some of the good news, I guess.

WALLACE: That's good.

MYERS: It's still raining in some spots here, but it's so very light.

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Sorry if I didn't answer your question, Kelly, but I couldn't hear you earlier, but now I can.

WALLACE: Now you can. I was just talking about snow in April in Pennsylvania -- Chad.

MYERS: It did snow. It snowed in Buffalo. It snowed in Erie, Pennsylvania. It also snowed into places like Cleveland, Ohio, but that is now all gone.

WALLACE: That's good, good to hear.

MYERS: Thanks. Correct.

WALLACE: OK, Chad, talk to you in a few minutes.

MYERS: All right.

WALLACE: Thanks so much.

MYERS: OK. You're welcome.

WALLACE: Updating you all now on the Iraq War. There has been a bold and -- quote -- "well coordinated" insurgent attack on the infamous Abu Ghraib Prison outside Baghdad.

CNN's Aneesh Raman reports live from the Iraqi capital.

Aneesh, good to see you. What gives U.S. military officials sort of the thinking that this is -- quote -- "well coordinated?"

ANEESH RAMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Kelly, good morning to you.

More details emerging about what took place on Saturday. The reason they say it's well coordinated essentially begins with the numbers. Somewhere upwards of 60 insurgents were involved in this attack, using two car bombs, rocket-propelled grenades and mortars.

The U.S. military now telling us the fight lasted for about an hour. They had to call in air support. In the end, some 20 U.S. military personnel were injured, one of whom had to be sent to Germany for treatment, also 13 detainees. One of the attackers was killed in the incident, at least one.

On the Web sites today, Kelly, also Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's group, al Qaeda in Iraq, is claiming responsibility. This is part of a new pattern we've seen from insurgents, less frequent but larger numbers in the attacks. They're very -- they're better coordinated and involve more insurgents than we've tended to see in the past -- Kelly.

WALLACE: Of course, Aneesh, over the weekend, the Iraqi National Assembly choosing a speaker several weeks after the national elections. Who did they choose and the significance of the choice?

RAMAN: Yes, as you say, two months after Iraqis went to the polls, they have now, the National Assembly, elected a speaker, Hashim al-Hasani. He's a Sunni. All expectations have been that a Sunni would take that post. They also elected a Kurd and a Shi'a for the two deputy positions.

They're going to reconvene on Wednesday at which point they'll elect a presidency council. Everyone expecting the Kurd, Jalal Talabani, to take that top spot. But this really jumpstarts an effectively stalled negotiation process that really had begun to cripple the government in terms of confidence by the Iraqi people. So they're hoping this week can be a turning point for the government to take shape and for it to start to take action -- Kelly.

WALLACE: How much power will this new speaker have -- Aneesh?

RAMAN: Well really what his role will be most powerful in doing is creating the constitution. He won't have much say in terms of the day-to-day affairs, that will fall to the prime minister and the president. But he will be in charge of laying out the rules for this National Assembly and also who will be on the certain committees dealing with the constitution. So that's clearly his focus -- Kelly.

WALLACE: All right, Aneesh, thanks so much. Aneesh Raman reporting live from Baghdad.

The first Medal of Honor of the Iraq War will be awarded today. It goes posthumously to Army Sergeant 1st Class Paul Smith. With his unit under attack two years ago on the outskirts of Baghdad, Sgt. Smith manned a 50-caliber machine gun. He held off the attackers firing hundreds of rounds and saving as many as 40 of his comrades before he was shot to death.

Well news now about Pope John Paul II and his passing this weekend. As we've been telling you, the College of Cardinals will meet today to hear instructions left by the pope and to plan his funeral. Then comes the task, a very big task, of finding someone to fill his shoes.

Joining us again from Rome, Vatican expert Father Greg Apparcel.

Father, thanks again for being with us. Just to update our viewers, once again, exactly what the cardinals will decide in this meeting today concerning the funeral and burial for the pope.

REV. GREG APPARCEL, VATICAN EXPERT: The cardinals are meeting right now, the College of Cardinals, all of them, even those over 80 years old who will not be able to vote, are deciding what time and what day the funeral will be, what time and how long the viewing of the pope's body will be by the faithful, by the people, which we think will begin later on this afternoon.

They'll decide two people, two theologians who will speak to them about the state of the church and also how they must have careful discernment in choosing the next pope, among many other things.

WALLACE: And as our viewers, again, watching Pope John Paul II, the body of the pope lying in state at the Apostolic Palace, dignitaries, journalists paying their respects before the body moved to St. Peter's Basilica today for the general public.

Father, give us a sense of some of the major challenges that will face the successor to Pope John Paul II. APPARCEL: Well I think following the legacy of John Paul and following what he attempted to do by reaching out to all kinds of different people, to Jewish people, to Muslims, to people who aren't Catholic but are Christian in other churches and to try to continue to spread that unit. He once said that the first millennium was of unity and the theme of the second millennium was disunity. The third millennium should be reunion and the coming together. And so I believe that's what the next pope will attempt to do with the church.

WALLACE: And looking ahead to the conclave that could start between 15 and 20 days from now in terms of choosing the next pope, it looks like Pope John Paul II made a few changes in terms of how the conclave will work. Tell us some of the changes he made.

APPARCEL: Well the fact that it begins in 15 to 20 days, but also that the person who is elected will be elected with a two-thirds majority. And then after a certain amount of time if no one has been elected, then it will come down to a simple majority, if all the cardinals there agree to that.

WALLACE: I understand he's also...

APPARCEL: So there won't be a stalemate.

WALLACE: Right. I understand he also chose to ban the use of cell phones. Is that correct?

APPARCEL: As far as I know there should be no communication whatsoever from the conclave. It is totally secret. In fact, the cardinals today in their meeting are supposed to swear to the secrecy of what happens in the conclave.

WALLACE: All right, it will be interesting to watch it all unfold.

APPARCEL: You're welcome.

WALLACE: Father Greg Apparcel, joining us from Rome, we thank you very much for being here on DAYBREAK.

APPARCEL: Thank you -- Kelly.

WALLACE: Mourning Pope John Paul II continuing around the world. Catholic worshipers packed churches across America on Sunday, attending mass in memory of the pope.

Here in New York, St. Patrick's Cathedral overflowed with people, among them, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and daughter, Chelsea. Mrs. Clinton met with the pope when she was first lady. She and others had these recollections of the pope in our "Beyond the Soundbite."

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON (D), NEW YORK: His energy, his charisma, his spiritual strength was so palpable, yet he had a wonderful sense of humor. He was always asking after my daughter. He met her one time, and he was always so interested in what was happening in the United States. His humanity, combined with his extraordinary spiritual authority was unlike anything I've ever met.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GOV. GEORGE PATAKI (R), NEW YORK: When you were with Pope John Paul II, you sensed that you were with someone different. Someone who had the calmness of faith, the strength of his convictions and yet this joy that came from just being surrounded by people. And it just made you feel wonderful and at peace yourself to be in his presence.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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CARDINAL THEODORE MCCARRICK, ARCHBISHOP OF WASHINGTON: He was a strong leader. He was a brilliant guide. But more than anything else, I think he was a man who loved people. And people understood that and people reacted to that. And especially young people, who are so sensitive to affection, they saw how much he loved them, and it was that which was the basis of that tremendous charism that he had with young people. He was an extraordinary man.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

AUX. BISHOP FELIPE J. ESTEVEZ, ARCHDIOCESE OF MIAMI: The pontiff demonstrated by his past travels, including his visit to Miami in 1987, that we are all God's children and that we must learn to live in peace and not make war.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE: Some of the sounds of those reflecting and remembering Pope John Paul II this weekend.

We have been asking you for your thoughts. E-mail them to us at DAYBREAK@CNN.com. Share your thoughts on Pope John Paul II. And we have been getting lots of e-mails.

This one from Jim (ph). He says Pope John Paul II should be an example to all of us in this troubled world. Pope John Paul II cared about everyone. This holy man should be recognized as one of greatness, if not the greatest pope to occupy the Vatican.

And this one from Micah (ph) says I'm not Catholic, but the pope's influence goes beyond religious denominations. The pope was a great human above all who truly had a great influence on world peace. He's almost like a rock star in that he was able to use his popularity, not just with Catholics, but with all people of the world, to bring peace, much in the way John Lennon did or Bono has done. And then there are those who didn't necessarily agree with all of the pope's beliefs. This from Christopher (ph) in Los Angeles. He says the pope's views on abortion and homosexuality I will never agree with. I also wish he did more in reaction to child abuse allegations within the church. But despite all this, I know he was so full of love. I love him because his love didn't discriminate.

Just some thoughts that we're getting from you. Please e-mail us, DAYBREAK@CNN.com, again, as you are watching there live pictures of Pope John Paul II lying in state.

Well for the Polish people the loss of Pope John Paul II is especially personal. Coming up in just about 10 minutes, a live report on the mourning in Krakow, Poland.

DAYBREAK will be right back.

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WALLACE: And welcome back.

Your news, money, weather and sports. It's just about 45 minutes after the hour. And here is what is all new this morning.

At the Vatican, Pope John Paul's body will be moved to St. Peter's Basilica. Public viewing begins this afternoon and up to two million visitors are expected.

In Washington State, an Amtrak passenger train derailed along the Columbia River. The engine and four cars left the tracks, but the cars stayed mostly upright. About two dozen people were slightly hurt.

In money, the popular artificial sweetener Splenda is going brown. Called Splenda Brown Sugar Blend, it can be used for baking as a replacement for brown sugar.

In culture, turnabout is fair play. At the raucous 18th Annual Kids' Choice Awards on Nickelodeon, actor Johnny Depp intended to slim host Ben Stiller, but as you see got the green goo dumped on himself instead.

And in sports, the seeds have it, I guess you can say. Two No. 1 seeds, Illinois and North Carolina, will battle it out in tonight's title game in the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament.

Chad Myers, on the air, predicting a North Carolina victory tonight -- Chad.

MYERS: Yes, by seven. I think Illinois is a great team. I just think I watched North Carolina just really take command of that ballgame on Saturday. So we will see if they can do the same with Illinois or not. I'm sure a lot of Illinois fans out there are saying wait a minute, no.

(WEATHER REPORT) WALLACE: All right, Chad, we'll talk to you in a few minutes. Thanks so much.

And coming up on DAYBREAK, Poland remembering a pontiff, one of their own who helped change the fabric of the country, a live report after the break.

But first, this look back on one of the many journeys of Pope John Paul II.

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WALLACE: Pope John Paul II will always be Poland's favorite son. Thousands are remembering the first Polish pope with candlelight vigils and memorials.

CNN's Chris Burns joins us now live from Krakow with more on the pope's home country.

Good morning -- Chris.

CHRIS BURNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Kelly, the emotions still very strong here on the day after, two days after the pope had died. In fact, the first newspaper is out. This one simply saying our father. And that is generally the feeling among so many people here right outside the Apostolic residence, the window from which the pope used to speak to his people.

And now the people are filing by, thousands and thousands, day and night. The flowers and the candles are brimming up the sidewalks. The flowers are brimming from the windows of this Apostolic residence.

And across the country, we're seeing similar scenes. Across the country, just outside of town here is the Sanctuary for Divine Mercy that the pope established. And over there, there were some 200,000 people who turned out last night to services there, remaining there throughout the night. And also in Warsaw, a very large mass that was held yesterday, some 100,000 people turned out for that.

And again today there will be another mass on that main square, that at the communist era was called Victory Square by the communist- led government was later named back for the Polish nationalist Pilsudski's Square after the pope helped to usher this country back to democracy and capitalism.

In other parts of the country, as well in Wadowice, in his hometown, a bust has been erected outside of the church and right near the apartment where he was born. They hope to build a statue there.

Keep in mind that the feeling for this man here is not only a spiritual feeling, but of course a political one as well. And even if you look at some of the surveys, even a Catholic Church survey said that some, only about 10 percent of the country really strictly follows what the pope had preached. They mainly see him as a father of their country and that's how they respect him today.

Back to you.

WALLACE: Chris, thank you so much. Chris Burns reporting from Krakow, Poland, as people in that country remember and reflect.

Well here in the United States, as well, many Polish communities are remembering Pope John Paul II.

CNN's Susan Lisovicz has more from one of those communities in Wallington, New Jersey.

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SUSAN LISOVICZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is one of a handful of masses celebrated in Polish every weekend in Wallington, New Jersey, but these are not ordinary times for the faithful here. Eighty percent of the town's 15,000 residents are of Polish decent. Pope John Paul II is considered a blood brother.

REV. FELIX MARCINIAK, MOST SACRED HEART OF JESUS CHURCH: There's a personal identification with the holy father. He's a sign of pride for us. He's not only our spiritual leader, but he also brought Poland out of obscurity. As American's with Polish descent, he gave us a sense of ourselves, this new man in Rome.

LISOVICZ: Anjay Coletta (ph) says he sent his famous kielbasa to the Polish pontiff.

ANJAY COLETTA, WALLINGTON, N.J. RESIDENT: Actually he took the kielbasa, he says he likes it.

LISOVICZ: Margaret Maharcheck (ph) has led pilgrimages to the Vatican and is one of many people here who have had a private papal audience.

MARGARET MAHARCHECK, WALLINGTON, N.J. RESIDENT: It's kind of like a magic. You so close to him and you try to tell him something and you forget. You don't know what you want to tell him.

LISOVICZ (on camera): Polish pride and Catholicism are inseparable in Wallington. I know this firsthand because this is my hometown where I attended school, took Polish classes and attended mass. The folks here are still talking about the day a Polish cardinal was elected pope.

CAROL KOSIER, WALLINGTON, N.J. RESIDENT: I remember people on the sidewalks in the streets just coming up to each other, hugging each other, saying have you heard, isn't it amazing, isn't it wonderful. But after that day, it turned out that he was even more wonderful than we could have even imagined on that day.

LISOVICZ (voice-over): Because Pope John Paul II returned to Poland to challenge the communist regime. Poland's independence was the beginning of the collapse of the Soviet Union. The mayor of Wallington says John Paul II ranks with the great revolutionary war hero General Casimir Pulaski. MAYOR WALTER WARGACKI, WALLINGTON, NEW JERSEY: Freedom is the key to both of them. Pulaski came to fight for freedom and the pope saw freedom come to his native country, Poland, and he was instrumental in doing that.

LISOVICZ: Many of Wallington's residents were able to leave Poland after the fall of communism. Pope John Paul II is not only their spiritual leader but their hero.

Susan Lisovicz, CNN, Wallington, New Jersey.

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WALLACE: And time now to read some e-mail. We've been asking your thoughts, share your thoughts with us about Pope John Paul II. E-mail us at DAYBREAK@CNN.com.

Chad, I know you're joining me.

MYERS: Yes.

WALLACE: Give me a sense of one of the e-mails you are looking at right now.

MYERS: Got one from Gene (ph) in Mission Viaho (ph). He said Pope John Paul for me is the most influential leader of all time. The world is mourning by his loss and his passing but his memory will last a lifetime. I've only seen him on TV, but he has touched my life in so many ways.

WALLACE: And, Chad, I have this one from Frank (ph). And he says I am a Catholic but not a practicing Catholic. Yet I have been glued to my television the past few days, not out of morbid curiosity, but out of respect for a man whose greatness cannot be measured in just his teachings and writings but indeed in the way he has moved the entire world both in his remarkable life and now with the grace he accepted in his death.

What else do you have there -- Chad?

MYERS: Jim (ph) says Pope John Paul II should be an example to all of us in this troubled world. As the pope, he was great. John Paul II, though, cared about everyone. This holy man should be recognized as one of the greatest, of his greatness, for his greatness, but not only just because he may have been the greatest pope to occupy the Vatican, but as a man as well.

WALLACE: All right, Chad, we're hearing so much, and people even who didn't agree with all the beliefs of the pope still saying they are going to miss him greatly.

Chad, we'll talk to you in a little bit.

MYERS: OK. WALLACE: The next hour of DAYBREAK begins right now.

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