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Worshipers Mourn the Pope

Aired April 04, 2005 - 06:00   ET

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KELLY WALLACE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Straight ahead on DAYBREAK, looking back worshipers mourn the pope. Carrying on, the faithful keep his legacy alive. And looking ahead, the Catholic Church seeks a new shepherd.
It is Monday, April 4, and you are watching DAYBREAK.

And good Monday morning to you.

From the Time Warner Center in New York, I'm Kelly Wallace in today for Carol Costello.

Here now a look at some of the stories in the news.

The body of Pope John Paul II will be moved today to St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican for viewing by the general public. Authorities in Rome expect as many as two million visitors to pay their last respects. Cardinals from around the world are meeting this morning for the first time since the pope died on Saturday.

Viktor Yushchenko, the new president of Ukraine, meets with President Bush this morning at the White House. Yushchenko says one agenda item -- arms sales by Ukraine to countries like Iran and China.

Simulated terrorist attacks will take place today in Connecticut and New Jersey. The drills involve chemical weapons and traditional explosive attacks. This $16 million exercise tests the nation's homeland security response.

And no traffic problems here. Just take a look at these pictures. Many rivers and creeks in eastern and central Pennsylvania are spilling over their banks. A state of emergency was declared in neighboring New Jersey due to heavy rains and flooding.

To Chad Myers in Atlanta -- Chad, good morning again.

Any relief in sight for the folks of New Jersey and Pennsylvania?

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Pretty much. The rain has stopped now, Kelly. But, you know, the relief still not for downstream residents, because some of this flooding water is still going to come up, depending on where you live in right now to the stream itself.

Look at all of the counties with rivers that are out of their banks, all the way from the Schuylkill to the Susquehanna, right on up through the Albany and even the Allegheny River in some spots, very, very deep now. So be careful trying to turn around, especially still in the dark maybe this morning. Obviously darker this morning than it was on Friday because now we're an hour later.

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WALLACE: And, again, to our top story. While millions mourn the pope, we want to take a look at what his happening in the days ahead. John Paul's body, dressed in crimson and white vestments, will be lying in state in St. Peter's Basilica today. Canon law calls for his funeral to take place as early as Wednesday, as late as Friday.

The conclave of cardinals must start within 15 to 20 days of the pope's death to begin the process to select a new pope. Sunday, April 17, the earliest possible date for the conclave.

Well, our Rome bureau chief, Alessio Vinci, was among those invited to view the pope lying in state. He has just come out from the Apostolic Palace and joins us now -- Alessio, this is a very, very special invitation, indeed.

What was it like?

ALESSIO VINCI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Kelly.

Good morning to you.

Well, first of all, technically it's not really lying in state, because this is a private viewing. As you mentioned, there is only special invitations, members of the Curia, the diplomatic corps, as well as church men or people that have to do with some -- is in some way or another with the Vatican, have been invited to pay their last respects to the pope, who is in the Clementine Room inside the Apostolic Palace, on the second floor of this palace.

I've been standing in line, I'm telling you, for -- it may be a special invitation, but there were a lot of people, several hundreds. And I think that as the day goes -- progresses, there will be several thousands, if not more, to pay their last respects to the pope, to the dead body of the pope.

We, as we climbed the two stairs, the two floors of the Apostolic Palace, there were some nuns there who would spontaneously break in prayer. And at the same time the whole crowd in there would then follow them and pray, as well. It was a really emotional moment. I even saw some colleagues of mine actually breaking up in tears. It really is an incredible atmosphere in that room.

The Clementine Room is a beautifully ornate room. There is frescoes. And as you enter, you hear some priests reciting the rosary. And then as you approach, of course, the body of the pope, as you can probably see from the pictures that we are running now, you don't really have much time to pause there. You just, you know, have a moment of reflection, perhaps, and some people cross themselves and then they move on.

It's really a powerful moment, I can tell you. I've been following this pope for the last four years. I've been able to see him at close range only a few times. And it does really affect you, seeing him like this, without life inside himself in that way -- Kelly.

WALLACE: I imagine, Alessio, you know, we focus so much on the professional, the professional part of our jobs, but there is a personal component, indeed.

Give us more of a sense of that for you personally, Alessio, as you were able to view Pope John Paul II this morning.

VINCI: You know, I am one of the junior reporters in the Vatican press corps. Most of the journalists who are part of that group have been covering popes and this pope, certainly, for the 20, 27 years of his papacy, the 26 something years of his papacy, and even them, even those who are so, you know, so used to seeing this man in so many different locations, even they were extremely emotional.

I saw some reporters crying. I mean, you know, that doesn't happen that often. You know, the last time I saw a colleague crying on a story was on 9/11. So that gives you a little bit of a sense about how powerful this moment is and how powerful the atmosphere in that room is. You know, it's a room that many journalists have visited on occasion, because that's where the pope used to meet dignitaries when they would visit Rome. And so, you know, obviously a lot of people remember themselves with the pope alive there as he met several dignitaries.

And I think that on the one side, you know, we have to sort of stay, you know, detach ourselves a little bit from the story, because obviously we have a job to do and we have to report it. But at the same time, I think even for those who did not necessarily agree with him -- although I must tell you, all the people who are visiting him so far are obviously hard core Catholics and devout people -- but at the same time I can tell you that there is a sense there of a deep respect that you owe this man, especially now, of course, that he is dead.

WALLACE: Alessio, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts with us.

We appreciate it.

Alessio Vinci working around the clock, really, for us, our Rome bureau chief, joining us on DAYBREAK this morning.

And you can see Alessio throughout the day, of course, on CNN.

Well, we have been talking all morning about what happens now, after the pope's death. The way forward is set out in specific steps governed by law, also governed by tradition. Very, very little is left to chance.

For more details, let's talk once again with Vatican expert, Father Greg Apparcel.

Father, thanks once again for joining us today.

REV. GREG APPARCEL, VATICAN EXPERT: Good morning.

WALLACE: We wanted to just talk about the significance of Pope John Paul II leaving as part of his wishes that what is normally a very private process -- dignitaries, special guests, cardinals viewing his body and paying last respects -- having it open to cameras.

APPARCEL: I believe that's because he's always shared all of his life with the people of the world and he shared his suffering and his death with the people of the world. And now he wants to share his last moments. So even though those who cannot come are able to see him throughout the world, to say good-bye and to watch other people say good-bye, as well.

WALLACE: And, of course, we've been talking, as well, this morning, the first meeting of cardinals since the death of the pope on Saturday.

APPARCEL: Yes.

WALLACE: What exactly do we expect the cardinals to decide on this day, Father?

APPARCEL: Well, first of all, we're -- we hope to hear whether or not the pope left a letter that was read to the College of Cardinals as to what his wishes are and as to, for instance, where he would like to be buried, whether at St. Peter's or some place else, like Poland. And we're waiting for them to come out and to give a report of what they've decided.

Also, when the funeral will be, whether it's Thursday or Friday or some other time; when the viewing will begin; how long the public viewing will last; and a few other things that have to do with the mechanics of the conclave, when the conclave will begin, and also that they will be sworn to secrecy for what is discussed in the conclave itself.

WALLACE: Father, let me also ask you, looking ahead to the conclave, where the cardinals, 117 cardinals will decide who will be the successor for Pope John Paul II, it's interesting because this will be a first time for almost nearly all of these cardinals, and many of them, it will be the first opportunity this week, really, to kind of size each other up to make some decisions, right?

APPARCEL: Well, many of them have known each other throughout the years, although 114 of the 117 were actually named, created cardinals by Pope John Paul II. So -- and many of them have worked together, come together for meetings. They've also been on different committees in the Curia and -- but it will be a time when they will be coming together to talk in a different way.

WALLACE: OK, Father Greg Apparcel joining us from Rome with your thoughts.

We appreciate it very much. Thanks again.

APPARCEL: Thank you, Kelly.

WALLACE: And Americans throughout the weekend have been weighing in on Pope John Paul and his successor. A CNN/"USA Today"/Gallup poll indicates more than two thirds of Catholics think Pope John Paul II will go down in history as one of the greatest popes. And nearly 80 percent of all those asked think it matters to the world who is selected to replace John Paul II, more than how it matters to them personally.

In a poll of some 250 American Catholics, the majority want the next pope to be more liberal than John Paul. 78 percent want him to allow Catholics to use birth control; 63 percent want him to allow priests to marry; and 55 percent want the next pope to allow women to become priests.

Well, to many the pope wasn't only a religious icon, he was also a friend. And straight ahead on this Monday on DAYBREAK, we'll share in some personal memories of Pope John Paul II. Also, we'll take you around the world as millions of worshipers celebrate the pope's international legacy.

We'll be right back.

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WALLACE: Still to come, they're baseball's best known rivals and they're back to fight another round. A look at the ongoing battle between the Red Sox and the Yankees just ahead on DAYBREAK.

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WALLACE: And welcome back.

Your news, money, weather and sports.

It's just about 15 minutes after the hour and here's what is all new this morning.

The College of Cardinals is meeting in the Vatican this morning to discuss funeral plans for Pope John Paul II. His body will be moved to St. Peter's Basilica for the eventual public viewing.

At least 23 U.S. soldiers were wounded during an attack on the Abu Ghraib Prison in Iraq. The U.S. military says insurgents used explosive devices and rocket propelled grenades in the "well coordinated attack." Thirteen detainees were also injured.

In money, a new report on airline quality says service is deteriorating. The study blames smaller workforces at most major airlines for the drop in quality. According to the report, only four carriers -- AirTran, Atlantic Southeast, JetBlue and United -- improved service last year. In culture, Barbra Streisand is set to begin work on a new album. The new music will be written and produced by Barry Gibb of the Bee Gees. That album is expected to hit stores in September.

And in sports, outfielder Alex Sanchez of the Tampa Bay Devil Rays became the first player suspended under baseball's new steroid rules. He denies using any performance enhancing drugs and blames the positive test on something he bought over the counter. His 10-day suspension starts today -- Chad, it will be interesting to watch this new steroids policy as baseball season gets underway.

MYERS: Yes. He says he was just taking multi-vitamins and some shakes, he was not taking any steroids. And they won't tell him what substance that he was tested positive for. This was actually back in mid-March when he was tested, when he was still with the Tigers. But otherwise, we'll see how that goes, obviously under appeal this morning.

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WALLACE: Well, time now for a little "Buzz," right?

Good news for all you couch potatoes out there. You may soon be able to get a TV that listens when you talk to it.

Carrie Lee joins us to explain.

Very interesting.

CARRIE LEE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It is interesting. You know, people were very happy, of course, when the remote control was invented.

WALLACE: Didn't have to get up.

LEE: You didn't have to get up from the couch. This goes the next technological step further. So couch potatoes of the world will be very happy about this.

Two companies working on televisions that will respond to your voice. According to the "New York Times," the service will allow viewers to change channels with their voice. And so, for example, if you were watching television this morning, you wanted a news program, you can say "find news." It would give you a menu of programs to choose from and you could choose to watch, say, DAYBREAK, in the mornings.

WALLACE: Yes, we like that.

LEE: Good choice.

But these systems will go beyond that. They'll also help advertisers by letting viewers order a movie or even a pizza. Comcast and other cable companies are reportedly testing the idea. And they'll be able to theoretically recognize the names of maybe sports teams, movie stars, you get the idea. WALLACE: I think it'll be interesting, because there's always this sort of stereotype between men and women, that men are, you know, with the remote control. So what are they going to be doing? News, this, that and their partners, their wives are going to be saying quiet, I can't watch my show.

LEE: Very interesting possibilities here, yes.

WALLACE: Really.

All right, Monday morning, how are futures looking?

LEE: Futures looking a bit flat for today's session. Of course, we did see the Dow down about 100 points on Friday. All of the markets in the red. High oil prices, a disappointing jobs report. This is sort of an interim week. Next week is going to be the real busy week for the recent profit reporting season, for Q1.

But we are keeping an eye on Wal-Mart's shares today. The company said for March that they saw sales up over 4 percent from last year, although the cold weather did hurt spring merchandise sales. Wal-Mart one of the Dow 30.

WALLACE: All right, Carrie watching it all for us.

We'll see you in the next half hour.

LEE: All right, thanks.

WALLACE: Thanks so much.

And when DAYBREAK continues, a tale of two cities and a tale of one of the fiercest rivalries in sports. We dig deeper into the Red Sox-Yankees feud. You won't want to miss it.

We'll be right back.

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WALLACE: Yes, take me out to the ball game, because major league baseball returns to the nation's capital for the first time in 34 years. The new Washington Nationals hosted the New York Mets in their final exhibition game. The Mets won, we can tell you, 4-3. The Nationals hosting their first regular season game on April 14.

Well, you know the Yankees and Red Sox are baseball's version of the Hatfields and McCoys. To call it just a rivalry would be an understatement.

Last year's drama is neatly wrapped up by a pair of sports writers, John Harper from the "New York Daily News" and Tony Massarotti from the "Boston Herald." Their "Tale of Two Cities" is also the tale of two seasons. And they are joining us now.

Thanks for being here.

TONY MASSAROTTI, "BOSTON HERALD": Thank you for having us.

JOHN HARPER, "NEW YORK DAILY NEWS": Thank you.

WALLACE: So, John, let me begin with you.

It must have been very complicated writing this book. You're screaming about the Yankees, you're screaming about the Red Sox.

Complicated?

HARPER: Yes, that was kind of the idea, kind of like two fans yelling at each other from New York and Boston. So we, we went at it pretty good. We tried to hash it out and come to a meeting point somewhere in the middle.

WALLACE: What is the nature of this rivalry? Is it really as bad or do we make it out to be more than it is?

MASSAROTTI: Yes, I think the words we like to use are passionate and intense, really, more than anything else. And we had some fun with it. I think the fans had fun with it. And I think that the players, as much as they downplay it, I think they'd tell you they have fun with it, too.

WALLACE: You both followed, you know, you followed John, the Yankees; you followed, of course, the Red Sox, all throughout the 2004 regular season, a lot of behind-the-scenes.

How much does this rivalry with the Red Sox drive the Yankees?

HARPER: It's a big part of it. You know, it's really -- in fact, Joe Torres, he worried last year that he over sold it to his team. Every year he talks about the importance of the Red Sox games and he thought he over sold it to the point where they tried too hard last year and got out of the gate badly against the Red Sox.

But it really does. And since Alex Rodriguez joined the Yankees, it's become heightened even more so.

WALLACE: And how much does the A-Rod, Alex Rodriguez, going to the Yankees, not the Red Sox, really fire up the Red Sox, and did last year?

MASSAROTTI: Oh, that was a huge part of it. That was really the impetus for us coming up with the idea. In 2003, Aaron Boone hit a home run to beat the Red Sox and obviously Alex Rodriguez nearly came to Boston, ended up in New York. And there's certainly no love lost there, I think it's safe to say that. And he's now a lightning rod in this rivalry, he's a compelling figure. And now, and we just add new ones every year -- Randy Johnson. It's a fascinating thing.

WALLACE: Fascinating.

And then, of course, we had opening night last night, the Yankees versus the Red Sox, so much intensity about the game last night. You were there. HARPER: Yes, and it felt like with World Series game. There was so much atmosphere there, the buzz in the stands, where you usually don't feel that until October. It felt like that on opening night. So I think the rivalry is really such that every time they play now, it feels like a play-off game. And you just wonder how much higher it can go.

WALLACE: And you know the steps better than I do, of course, Tony, but I guess the last time the Red Sox won, in the early 1900s, the year after, in their first game against the Yankees, they demolished the Yankees. Well, last night the Yankees -- a Yankee fan here -- kind of did a little better than the Red Sox.

So what does that mean for the year ahead?

MASSAROTTI: Well, I can tell you, as a Native Bostonian, we saw this coming. Yes, the Yankees clearly have a lot to prove this year. They made a lot of changes to this team. And, you know, you go back over the last couple of years, to give you a quick idea, they played 53 games -- 27 Red Sox, 26 Yankees. So it's been unbelievable the last two seasons.

WALLACE: It doesn't get any closer.

Just very quickly, how much pressure, though, on the Red Sox this year, after the mira -- you know, their big win last year? Big pressure for them?

MASSAROTTI: Yes, well, actually, I think a lot of the pressure is now off, although if they have a couple of more nights like last night, it will be right back on again.

WALLACE: Interesting.

Such a good book, "A Tale of Two Cities."

Tony Massarotti from the "Boston Herald," John Harper from the "New York Daily News."

I bet a lot of people in New York and Boston will be going out and getting this book.

Thanks for being here.

HARPER: Our pleasure.

MASSAROTTI: Thanks for having us.

WALLACE: We appreciate it.

And stay with us for the second hour of DAYBREAK, the second half hour of DAYBREAK.

We'll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) WALLACE: And good Monday morning to you.

From the Time Warner Center in New York, I'm Kelly Wallace, in today for Carol Costello.

Here are some stories now in the news.

And this just in to CNN. According to the Associated Press, the first session of the meeting of the College of Cardinals has ended. This is the first meeting of the cardinals since the death of Pope John Paul II on Saturday. We are not sure if the cardinals will meet again on this day. The cardinals, of course, were supposed to be discussing a funeral date and a burial place for the pope. CNN has not yet confirmed exactly when the funeral will take place. And you are seeing there the body of Pope John Paul II, as dignitaries and other invited guests pay their final respects.

Other stories in the news, as well, on this day. Two people remain hospitalized after an Amtrak passenger train derailed in Washington State. About two dozen others suffered only minor injuries. The cause of that accident is still under investigation, but workers hope to have the tracks cleared some time today.

Michael Jackson's child molestation trial enters its sixth week today. Over the weekend, Jackson spoke via speakerphone to a gathering of his fans at a hotel in Santa Maria, California. He told them: "God and truth are on our side."

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Aired April 4, 2005 - 06:00   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
KELLY WALLACE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Straight ahead on DAYBREAK, looking back worshipers mourn the pope. Carrying on, the faithful keep his legacy alive. And looking ahead, the Catholic Church seeks a new shepherd.
It is Monday, April 4, and you are watching DAYBREAK.

And good Monday morning to you.

From the Time Warner Center in New York, I'm Kelly Wallace in today for Carol Costello.

Here now a look at some of the stories in the news.

The body of Pope John Paul II will be moved today to St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican for viewing by the general public. Authorities in Rome expect as many as two million visitors to pay their last respects. Cardinals from around the world are meeting this morning for the first time since the pope died on Saturday.

Viktor Yushchenko, the new president of Ukraine, meets with President Bush this morning at the White House. Yushchenko says one agenda item -- arms sales by Ukraine to countries like Iran and China.

Simulated terrorist attacks will take place today in Connecticut and New Jersey. The drills involve chemical weapons and traditional explosive attacks. This $16 million exercise tests the nation's homeland security response.

And no traffic problems here. Just take a look at these pictures. Many rivers and creeks in eastern and central Pennsylvania are spilling over their banks. A state of emergency was declared in neighboring New Jersey due to heavy rains and flooding.

To Chad Myers in Atlanta -- Chad, good morning again.

Any relief in sight for the folks of New Jersey and Pennsylvania?

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Pretty much. The rain has stopped now, Kelly. But, you know, the relief still not for downstream residents, because some of this flooding water is still going to come up, depending on where you live in right now to the stream itself.

Look at all of the counties with rivers that are out of their banks, all the way from the Schuylkill to the Susquehanna, right on up through the Albany and even the Allegheny River in some spots, very, very deep now. So be careful trying to turn around, especially still in the dark maybe this morning. Obviously darker this morning than it was on Friday because now we're an hour later.

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WALLACE: And, again, to our top story. While millions mourn the pope, we want to take a look at what his happening in the days ahead. John Paul's body, dressed in crimson and white vestments, will be lying in state in St. Peter's Basilica today. Canon law calls for his funeral to take place as early as Wednesday, as late as Friday.

The conclave of cardinals must start within 15 to 20 days of the pope's death to begin the process to select a new pope. Sunday, April 17, the earliest possible date for the conclave.

Well, our Rome bureau chief, Alessio Vinci, was among those invited to view the pope lying in state. He has just come out from the Apostolic Palace and joins us now -- Alessio, this is a very, very special invitation, indeed.

What was it like?

ALESSIO VINCI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Kelly.

Good morning to you.

Well, first of all, technically it's not really lying in state, because this is a private viewing. As you mentioned, there is only special invitations, members of the Curia, the diplomatic corps, as well as church men or people that have to do with some -- is in some way or another with the Vatican, have been invited to pay their last respects to the pope, who is in the Clementine Room inside the Apostolic Palace, on the second floor of this palace.

I've been standing in line, I'm telling you, for -- it may be a special invitation, but there were a lot of people, several hundreds. And I think that as the day goes -- progresses, there will be several thousands, if not more, to pay their last respects to the pope, to the dead body of the pope.

We, as we climbed the two stairs, the two floors of the Apostolic Palace, there were some nuns there who would spontaneously break in prayer. And at the same time the whole crowd in there would then follow them and pray, as well. It was a really emotional moment. I even saw some colleagues of mine actually breaking up in tears. It really is an incredible atmosphere in that room.

The Clementine Room is a beautifully ornate room. There is frescoes. And as you enter, you hear some priests reciting the rosary. And then as you approach, of course, the body of the pope, as you can probably see from the pictures that we are running now, you don't really have much time to pause there. You just, you know, have a moment of reflection, perhaps, and some people cross themselves and then they move on.

It's really a powerful moment, I can tell you. I've been following this pope for the last four years. I've been able to see him at close range only a few times. And it does really affect you, seeing him like this, without life inside himself in that way -- Kelly.

WALLACE: I imagine, Alessio, you know, we focus so much on the professional, the professional part of our jobs, but there is a personal component, indeed.

Give us more of a sense of that for you personally, Alessio, as you were able to view Pope John Paul II this morning.

VINCI: You know, I am one of the junior reporters in the Vatican press corps. Most of the journalists who are part of that group have been covering popes and this pope, certainly, for the 20, 27 years of his papacy, the 26 something years of his papacy, and even them, even those who are so, you know, so used to seeing this man in so many different locations, even they were extremely emotional.

I saw some reporters crying. I mean, you know, that doesn't happen that often. You know, the last time I saw a colleague crying on a story was on 9/11. So that gives you a little bit of a sense about how powerful this moment is and how powerful the atmosphere in that room is. You know, it's a room that many journalists have visited on occasion, because that's where the pope used to meet dignitaries when they would visit Rome. And so, you know, obviously a lot of people remember themselves with the pope alive there as he met several dignitaries.

And I think that on the one side, you know, we have to sort of stay, you know, detach ourselves a little bit from the story, because obviously we have a job to do and we have to report it. But at the same time, I think even for those who did not necessarily agree with him -- although I must tell you, all the people who are visiting him so far are obviously hard core Catholics and devout people -- but at the same time I can tell you that there is a sense there of a deep respect that you owe this man, especially now, of course, that he is dead.

WALLACE: Alessio, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts with us.

We appreciate it.

Alessio Vinci working around the clock, really, for us, our Rome bureau chief, joining us on DAYBREAK this morning.

And you can see Alessio throughout the day, of course, on CNN.

Well, we have been talking all morning about what happens now, after the pope's death. The way forward is set out in specific steps governed by law, also governed by tradition. Very, very little is left to chance.

For more details, let's talk once again with Vatican expert, Father Greg Apparcel.

Father, thanks once again for joining us today.

REV. GREG APPARCEL, VATICAN EXPERT: Good morning.

WALLACE: We wanted to just talk about the significance of Pope John Paul II leaving as part of his wishes that what is normally a very private process -- dignitaries, special guests, cardinals viewing his body and paying last respects -- having it open to cameras.

APPARCEL: I believe that's because he's always shared all of his life with the people of the world and he shared his suffering and his death with the people of the world. And now he wants to share his last moments. So even though those who cannot come are able to see him throughout the world, to say good-bye and to watch other people say good-bye, as well.

WALLACE: And, of course, we've been talking, as well, this morning, the first meeting of cardinals since the death of the pope on Saturday.

APPARCEL: Yes.

WALLACE: What exactly do we expect the cardinals to decide on this day, Father?

APPARCEL: Well, first of all, we're -- we hope to hear whether or not the pope left a letter that was read to the College of Cardinals as to what his wishes are and as to, for instance, where he would like to be buried, whether at St. Peter's or some place else, like Poland. And we're waiting for them to come out and to give a report of what they've decided.

Also, when the funeral will be, whether it's Thursday or Friday or some other time; when the viewing will begin; how long the public viewing will last; and a few other things that have to do with the mechanics of the conclave, when the conclave will begin, and also that they will be sworn to secrecy for what is discussed in the conclave itself.

WALLACE: Father, let me also ask you, looking ahead to the conclave, where the cardinals, 117 cardinals will decide who will be the successor for Pope John Paul II, it's interesting because this will be a first time for almost nearly all of these cardinals, and many of them, it will be the first opportunity this week, really, to kind of size each other up to make some decisions, right?

APPARCEL: Well, many of them have known each other throughout the years, although 114 of the 117 were actually named, created cardinals by Pope John Paul II. So -- and many of them have worked together, come together for meetings. They've also been on different committees in the Curia and -- but it will be a time when they will be coming together to talk in a different way.

WALLACE: OK, Father Greg Apparcel joining us from Rome with your thoughts.

We appreciate it very much. Thanks again.

APPARCEL: Thank you, Kelly.

WALLACE: And Americans throughout the weekend have been weighing in on Pope John Paul and his successor. A CNN/"USA Today"/Gallup poll indicates more than two thirds of Catholics think Pope John Paul II will go down in history as one of the greatest popes. And nearly 80 percent of all those asked think it matters to the world who is selected to replace John Paul II, more than how it matters to them personally.

In a poll of some 250 American Catholics, the majority want the next pope to be more liberal than John Paul. 78 percent want him to allow Catholics to use birth control; 63 percent want him to allow priests to marry; and 55 percent want the next pope to allow women to become priests.

Well, to many the pope wasn't only a religious icon, he was also a friend. And straight ahead on this Monday on DAYBREAK, we'll share in some personal memories of Pope John Paul II. Also, we'll take you around the world as millions of worshipers celebrate the pope's international legacy.

We'll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

WALLACE: Still to come, they're baseball's best known rivals and they're back to fight another round. A look at the ongoing battle between the Red Sox and the Yankees just ahead on DAYBREAK.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

WALLACE: And welcome back.

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It's just about 15 minutes after the hour and here's what is all new this morning.

The College of Cardinals is meeting in the Vatican this morning to discuss funeral plans for Pope John Paul II. His body will be moved to St. Peter's Basilica for the eventual public viewing.

At least 23 U.S. soldiers were wounded during an attack on the Abu Ghraib Prison in Iraq. The U.S. military says insurgents used explosive devices and rocket propelled grenades in the "well coordinated attack." Thirteen detainees were also injured.

In money, a new report on airline quality says service is deteriorating. The study blames smaller workforces at most major airlines for the drop in quality. According to the report, only four carriers -- AirTran, Atlantic Southeast, JetBlue and United -- improved service last year. In culture, Barbra Streisand is set to begin work on a new album. The new music will be written and produced by Barry Gibb of the Bee Gees. That album is expected to hit stores in September.

And in sports, outfielder Alex Sanchez of the Tampa Bay Devil Rays became the first player suspended under baseball's new steroid rules. He denies using any performance enhancing drugs and blames the positive test on something he bought over the counter. His 10-day suspension starts today -- Chad, it will be interesting to watch this new steroids policy as baseball season gets underway.

MYERS: Yes. He says he was just taking multi-vitamins and some shakes, he was not taking any steroids. And they won't tell him what substance that he was tested positive for. This was actually back in mid-March when he was tested, when he was still with the Tigers. But otherwise, we'll see how that goes, obviously under appeal this morning.

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WALLACE: Well, time now for a little "Buzz," right?

Good news for all you couch potatoes out there. You may soon be able to get a TV that listens when you talk to it.

Carrie Lee joins us to explain.

Very interesting.

CARRIE LEE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It is interesting. You know, people were very happy, of course, when the remote control was invented.

WALLACE: Didn't have to get up.

LEE: You didn't have to get up from the couch. This goes the next technological step further. So couch potatoes of the world will be very happy about this.

Two companies working on televisions that will respond to your voice. According to the "New York Times," the service will allow viewers to change channels with their voice. And so, for example, if you were watching television this morning, you wanted a news program, you can say "find news." It would give you a menu of programs to choose from and you could choose to watch, say, DAYBREAK, in the mornings.

WALLACE: Yes, we like that.

LEE: Good choice.

But these systems will go beyond that. They'll also help advertisers by letting viewers order a movie or even a pizza. Comcast and other cable companies are reportedly testing the idea. And they'll be able to theoretically recognize the names of maybe sports teams, movie stars, you get the idea. WALLACE: I think it'll be interesting, because there's always this sort of stereotype between men and women, that men are, you know, with the remote control. So what are they going to be doing? News, this, that and their partners, their wives are going to be saying quiet, I can't watch my show.

LEE: Very interesting possibilities here, yes.

WALLACE: Really.

All right, Monday morning, how are futures looking?

LEE: Futures looking a bit flat for today's session. Of course, we did see the Dow down about 100 points on Friday. All of the markets in the red. High oil prices, a disappointing jobs report. This is sort of an interim week. Next week is going to be the real busy week for the recent profit reporting season, for Q1.

But we are keeping an eye on Wal-Mart's shares today. The company said for March that they saw sales up over 4 percent from last year, although the cold weather did hurt spring merchandise sales. Wal-Mart one of the Dow 30.

WALLACE: All right, Carrie watching it all for us.

We'll see you in the next half hour.

LEE: All right, thanks.

WALLACE: Thanks so much.

And when DAYBREAK continues, a tale of two cities and a tale of one of the fiercest rivalries in sports. We dig deeper into the Red Sox-Yankees feud. You won't want to miss it.

We'll be right back.

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WALLACE: Yes, take me out to the ball game, because major league baseball returns to the nation's capital for the first time in 34 years. The new Washington Nationals hosted the New York Mets in their final exhibition game. The Mets won, we can tell you, 4-3. The Nationals hosting their first regular season game on April 14.

Well, you know the Yankees and Red Sox are baseball's version of the Hatfields and McCoys. To call it just a rivalry would be an understatement.

Last year's drama is neatly wrapped up by a pair of sports writers, John Harper from the "New York Daily News" and Tony Massarotti from the "Boston Herald." Their "Tale of Two Cities" is also the tale of two seasons. And they are joining us now.

Thanks for being here.

TONY MASSAROTTI, "BOSTON HERALD": Thank you for having us.

JOHN HARPER, "NEW YORK DAILY NEWS": Thank you.

WALLACE: So, John, let me begin with you.

It must have been very complicated writing this book. You're screaming about the Yankees, you're screaming about the Red Sox.

Complicated?

HARPER: Yes, that was kind of the idea, kind of like two fans yelling at each other from New York and Boston. So we, we went at it pretty good. We tried to hash it out and come to a meeting point somewhere in the middle.

WALLACE: What is the nature of this rivalry? Is it really as bad or do we make it out to be more than it is?

MASSAROTTI: Yes, I think the words we like to use are passionate and intense, really, more than anything else. And we had some fun with it. I think the fans had fun with it. And I think that the players, as much as they downplay it, I think they'd tell you they have fun with it, too.

WALLACE: You both followed, you know, you followed John, the Yankees; you followed, of course, the Red Sox, all throughout the 2004 regular season, a lot of behind-the-scenes.

How much does this rivalry with the Red Sox drive the Yankees?

HARPER: It's a big part of it. You know, it's really -- in fact, Joe Torres, he worried last year that he over sold it to his team. Every year he talks about the importance of the Red Sox games and he thought he over sold it to the point where they tried too hard last year and got out of the gate badly against the Red Sox.

But it really does. And since Alex Rodriguez joined the Yankees, it's become heightened even more so.

WALLACE: And how much does the A-Rod, Alex Rodriguez, going to the Yankees, not the Red Sox, really fire up the Red Sox, and did last year?

MASSAROTTI: Oh, that was a huge part of it. That was really the impetus for us coming up with the idea. In 2003, Aaron Boone hit a home run to beat the Red Sox and obviously Alex Rodriguez nearly came to Boston, ended up in New York. And there's certainly no love lost there, I think it's safe to say that. And he's now a lightning rod in this rivalry, he's a compelling figure. And now, and we just add new ones every year -- Randy Johnson. It's a fascinating thing.

WALLACE: Fascinating.

And then, of course, we had opening night last night, the Yankees versus the Red Sox, so much intensity about the game last night. You were there. HARPER: Yes, and it felt like with World Series game. There was so much atmosphere there, the buzz in the stands, where you usually don't feel that until October. It felt like that on opening night. So I think the rivalry is really such that every time they play now, it feels like a play-off game. And you just wonder how much higher it can go.

WALLACE: And you know the steps better than I do, of course, Tony, but I guess the last time the Red Sox won, in the early 1900s, the year after, in their first game against the Yankees, they demolished the Yankees. Well, last night the Yankees -- a Yankee fan here -- kind of did a little better than the Red Sox.

So what does that mean for the year ahead?

MASSAROTTI: Well, I can tell you, as a Native Bostonian, we saw this coming. Yes, the Yankees clearly have a lot to prove this year. They made a lot of changes to this team. And, you know, you go back over the last couple of years, to give you a quick idea, they played 53 games -- 27 Red Sox, 26 Yankees. So it's been unbelievable the last two seasons.

WALLACE: It doesn't get any closer.

Just very quickly, how much pressure, though, on the Red Sox this year, after the mira -- you know, their big win last year? Big pressure for them?

MASSAROTTI: Yes, well, actually, I think a lot of the pressure is now off, although if they have a couple of more nights like last night, it will be right back on again.

WALLACE: Interesting.

Such a good book, "A Tale of Two Cities."

Tony Massarotti from the "Boston Herald," John Harper from the "New York Daily News."

I bet a lot of people in New York and Boston will be going out and getting this book.

Thanks for being here.

HARPER: Our pleasure.

MASSAROTTI: Thanks for having us.

WALLACE: We appreciate it.

And stay with us for the second hour of DAYBREAK, the second half hour of DAYBREAK.

We'll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) WALLACE: And good Monday morning to you.

From the Time Warner Center in New York, I'm Kelly Wallace, in today for Carol Costello.

Here are some stories now in the news.

And this just in to CNN. According to the Associated Press, the first session of the meeting of the College of Cardinals has ended. This is the first meeting of the cardinals since the death of Pope John Paul II on Saturday. We are not sure if the cardinals will meet again on this day. The cardinals, of course, were supposed to be discussing a funeral date and a burial place for the pope. CNN has not yet confirmed exactly when the funeral will take place. And you are seeing there the body of Pope John Paul II, as dignitaries and other invited guests pay their final respects.

Other stories in the news, as well, on this day. Two people remain hospitalized after an Amtrak passenger train derailed in Washington State. About two dozen others suffered only minor injuries. The cause of that accident is still under investigation, but workers hope to have the tracks cleared some time today.

Michael Jackson's child molestation trial enters its sixth week today. Over the weekend, Jackson spoke via speakerphone to a gathering of his fans at a hotel in Santa Maria, California. He told them: "God and truth are on our side."

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