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Anne Marie Smith Discusses Her Relationship With Gary Condit
Aired July 13, 2001 - 21:00 ET
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LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight, she says she had affair with married Congressman Gary Condit and he asked her to lie about it after Chandra Levy disappeared. Anne Marie Smith joins us in Los Angeles, we'll take your calls. She is next on LARRY KING LIVE!
Also with Anne Marie her attorney Jim Robinson, who has been on this program frequently. It's nice to have them both sitting in the studio with us, and we are live, and we will get to the questioning, and if anything occurs of a legal basis that she cannot respond to based on investigations, Jim will tell us why she cannot respond. I thank you.
What's this all been like for you, this firestorm of attention?
ANNE MARIE SMITH, CLAIMS AFFAIR WITH CONDIT: It has been very stressful, my life has been turned upside down.
KING: You're sorry you came forward?
SMITH: No. I'm not sorry.
KING: Not sorry.
SMITH: I was very scared at first, but now I'm very glad that I did it.
KING: What were the circumstances that brought you forward -- why did you come forward?
SMITH: I was forced to, basically, because "The Star" started knocking on my door.
KING: The magazine.
SMITH: "Star" magazine, somehow they had heard about this, and I did everything I could to keep my name out of "Star" magazine, but there were certain people that decided to talk to "The Star" magazine, and then...
KING: People who knew about it?
SMITH: People that knew me and knew about the story, and so, I -- subsequently, the rest of the media started calling. It was just from there on out, I couldn't control anything. KING: So you decided it's best to come forward?
SMITH: Right.
KING: Let's go back, and we will learn the story. Let's go through it. How did you meet Congressman Condit?
SMITH: I met him on a flight from San Francisco to D.C. approximately a year ago.
KING: He was a passenger.
SMITH: Yes.
KING: Did he begin the conversation -- I mean, how did it work that you would eventually see him?
SMITH: He was a passenger on the flight and he gave me his phone number, asked me call him when I was in D.C., and he would set up some tours for me. And from -- and asked me to call him when I got in.
KING: Strictly congressional kind of tours?
SMITH: Correct.
KING: Did you think anything weary of it at the time?
SMITH: No, not at all.
KING: So you called.
SMITH: I called him.
KING: And what happened?
SMITH: We became friends. Started seeing each other, started calling. Spent a lot of time together.
KING: And eventually, intimacy?
SMITH: Pardon?
KING: And eventually, intimacy.
SMITH: Correct.
KING: Did you know he was married?
SMITH: I did.
KING: Did you hesitate about doing this?
SMITH: I did. Because I knew it would ultimately be a painful choice.
KING: Had you ever done anything like this before? SMITH: No.
KING: So what happened, what was about it him, you know? We know very little about -- I mean, we know his congressional record, he is not appearing anywhere. You probably know him better than anyone, certainly anyone who is talking. What was it about him that attracted you enough to take those steps?
SMITH: He is very kind. He makes you feel like you are special, and you are the only one. Treats you very well.
KING: What about -- did you feel like you were harming his wife?
SMITH: I did. I was very concerned about that.
KING: But?
SMITH: But Mr. Condit told me she is very ill, and that they didn't really have a husband/wife relationship.
KING: Oh, he said they didn't like sleep together or -- they had no -- they didn't have a marital relationship?
SMITH: Correct, it was more a friendship. He deeply cared for her and loved her, but it was more a friendship.
KING: Did you ever expected, Anne Marie, to get serious enough that he would leave her for you?
SMITH: No, I never expected that.
KING: So you knew it was just fun. Were you in love with him?
SMITH: I cared for him deeply. I never said I loved him.
KING: And was he a caring boyfriend?
SMITH: He was very caring, very thoughtful, he was always concerned. Would call me -- he always wanted me to call him when I got in from my trips, when I got to my layovers, to check in, let him know I was OK.
KING: Did you have any sense that his wife knew any of this was going on?
SMITH: No. I didn't think she knew at all.
KING: OK. Now it becomes intimate after a while, and you are seeing each other, and he is an attentive man, he is a strong lover, he is a close companion, this is a nice -- are you dating others? Are you having a full life?
SMITH: I didn't really date others. I did a little bit. I would go out periodically with other people, but when I would tell him that I was going out with somebody else, he would...
KING: Get mad.
SMITH: He would get upset and say that it wasn't a good idea, I wouldn't find anybody as good as him. And he was very controlling in that way. And he asked me -- I went to Telluride in February, and he got a little upset about it, and asked me if, you know, if I wanted to have an open relationship, if that is how I was going to be about it.
KING: Really?
SMITH: Yes.
KING: Yet he was married. Did you say to him, "but you are married?"
SMITH: No, I never said that to him.
KING: Why not?
SMITH: Because -- I mean, I knew the fact that he was married.
KING: But I mean, if he is trying to keep you under his shield, it would be logical to say, wait a minute. He had you.
SMITH: Basically.
KING: Right, Jim?
JIM ROBINSON, SMITH'S ATTORNEY: Yes.
KING: I guess listening to this, he had...
ROBINSON: It's his MO.
KING: Yeah. He had a good deal. When did you start to discover there were others?
SMITH: I always was a little suspicious, and I would always ask him, you know, are you seeing anybody else? Is there anybody else in your life? And he would say no, I don't have time for it. I'm so busy. I don't have time for anybody else.
KING: So, when this erupted, when the story broke about Chandra Levy -- did you ever know about Chandra Levy?
SMITH: I never knew about her.
KING: Never knew her name?
SMITH: Never knew anything.
KING: Were you still seeing him up to that point?
SMITH: Yes.
KING: Oh, so, you were still having a relationship? SMITH: We were still talking, you know. I hadn't actually seen him since March, end of March, but we were still talking to each other, and he was trying to work it out so that we could get together.
KING: How would that work, by the way? You couldn't call him at home?
SMITH: No. I would call his office, his answering service.
KING: And leave a message, and he would get back to you?
SMITH: Right.
KING: And you were traveling all the time, right?
SMITH: Right.
KING: As a flight attendant for United.
SMITH: Correct.
KING: By the way, how has United been through this?
SMITH: They have been wonderful, supportive, emotionally supportive, encouraging, they've just been wonderful.
KING: But you haven't been there a long time.
SMITH: No, I haven't.
KING: OK, when you hear about Chandra Levy -- which is in all the newspapers -- she is missing, and she was a friend and worked for, knew the congressman. Did you phone him, talk to him about it?
SMITH: I did. Well, he phoned me initially and asked me to not call him. He said he was in trouble, he may have to disappear for a while.
KING: Really?
SMITH: And said not to call him for a few days. So then, a weak later, I had a trip to D.C., and it was -- I called him, I waited for like a week, and then finally called him. And I was very concerned about him. I didn't know any of this, we hadn't heard about any of it on the West Coast yet. And I called him and said, you know, I'm going to be in D.C., let's get together, let's have dinner, and he called me back and he said, "I can't. I can't see you, there is a situation, and it is..."
KING: So you didn't know the Chandra story?
SMITH: I didn't know it yet at this time. And so, I got into D.C. and I went into my hotel room and I turned on the news and I saw it, and I was just shocked beyond belief. And I called him, and I said: "What am I supposed to believe?"
KING: And he said?
SMITH: He said: "Well, you have to believe me. I want to sit down and explain this all to you, I want to let you know what really is going on, and..."
KING: And did you see him?
SMITH: No. I haven't seen him since.
KING: You still haven't seen him.
SMITH: No.
KING: We will be right back with Anne Marie Smith and her attorney Jim Robinson. This is LARRY KING LIVE, don't go away.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
KING: We're back with Anne Marie Smith and her attorney Jim Robinson. We're live here in Los Angeles.
All right, you see this on television, he calls and says, believe in me, I didn't have a relationship with her, right?
SMITH: Right.
KING: She was just -- I knew her, but she is just missing, right?
SMITH: He didn't even tell me that he knew her. He just said -- I can't talk to you for a while. If you call me just leave really short messages and I'll try to touch base with you. But...
KING: What did this do to you?
SMITH: Well, obviously, I was really upset. I mean, I cared about him. He's a really good friend of mine, and it was a huge shock.
KING: Did you think he was snookering you when he said, "I have got nothing to do with this"?
SMITH: No, I believed him
KING: You did believe him.
SMITH: I did.
KING: But yet you mentioned to me you started smoking again, you got so nervous, right?
SMITH: Yes.
KING: What? You got nervous.
SMITH: I got very nervous. KING: All right, now, when did things really start to go a little haywire here? You know, when did he say don't do this, and don't -- make statements about it, et cetera? When it broke that you were involved in "The Star"? When -- give me the scenario.
SMITH: When he called me initially, saying that he was in trouble and he may have to disappear, he said: "Please don't mention my name to anybody, don't tell them about this phone call. Don't -- if you hear my name on the news -- and I had no idea what he was talking about because this was before I came back east. He's like "If you hear my name on the news, don't mention it to anybody."
KING: Then what?
SMITH: And then that's when I went to D.C. and found out what the problem was.
KING: And then what? I mean, when did it come that you had to know that there was going to be a test -- or you had to fill out a form or say something?
SMITH: That was after "The Star" magazine. My roommates actually sold my story to "The Star" magazine.
KING: Your roommate, for United, you mean? The person you're living with?
SMITH: Right.
KING: A girlfriend.
SMITH: Girlfriend.
KING: Sold the story.
SMITH: Right. Supplied pictures, and...
KING: Your former friend.
SMITH: My former friend.
KING: Then he told you to what?
SMITH: Initially, he -- we discussed it and I told him I didn't want my name out, and his attorneys called and said that they had -- were effective in keeping my name from being printed because I hadn't validated any of the story. And at that time I had contacted an attorney to represent me.
KING: Was it Jim?
SMITH: And it was basically to keep the media away.
KING: Is that Jim?
SMITH: Initially I had a different attorney, and then I called Jim and asked him to represent me.
KING: His attorneys at that time, it wasn't Abbe Lowell, right?
SMITH: No. It Mr. Cotchett.
KING: Cotchett from Los Angeles.
SMITH: In San Francisco.
KING: San Francisco, yeah. So did you follow suit? Did you not say anything?
SMITH: I didn't say anything at all.
KING: When were you asked not to sign -- or not to -- dealing with -- give me the affidavit story.
SMITH: Well, we were talking about some way to come up, some way to deny, or to you know, keep the story from being printed, because I mean, obviously, I didn't want it to come out, and he didn't want it to embarrass him. And so my attorney asked me if there was any truth in it, and I said yes, there is truth in it. And he said well, then we can't keep it from being printed.
KING: So he wanted you to sign an affidavit that it was not true.
SMITH: That's correct.
KING: And hopefully that affidavit would prevent them from printing it out of fear of lawsuits and the like, because you're saying it's just not true.
SMITH: That's correct.
KING: And why didn't you do that for him?
SMITH: Because the very last line says "under perjury of the law of the United States of America." And I knew in good conscience I could not sign it. And I kept -- I got several phone calls urging me to sign it, saying...
KING: From?
SMITH: From Mr. Condit and his representatives, or the people representing him. And he would say, well, their office is really close to where you live. You could just pop over there and sign it and we could get this over with.
KING: Was he nervous when he talked to you?
SMITH: No, he was really nice. I mean, he's always really nice. I mean, he's very...
KING: So it was like, "do me this favor"?
SMITH: Right. And...
KING: And you couldn't do it.
SMITH: I could not do it.
KING: Because a lot of people would say well, you know, I love this guy. I certainly like him a lot, been intimate with him, I believe him when he tells me he doesn't know this missing girl, or he had no relationship with her. I might lie.
SMITH: Well, I wanted -- I wanted to keep it out of the newspapers, I wanted to keep it away from the media, and I talked to my attorney and he said, well, since there's truth in the story there's no way we can go up against them. And you cannot sign that document. He said there's absolutely no way.
And I kept getting phone calls urging me to seen it, and I would defer it to my attorney. And Mr. Condit asked me, well, I don't -- you know, he's hesitating about you signing that. I don't understand why. And if I hadn't had an attorney, I probably would have signed it.
KING: Just out of pressure.
SMITH: Right. Out of pressure, and because I didn't know any differently.
KING: When did you switch attorneys?
SMITH: Once Mr. Cotchett's office called me. I immediately switched.
KING: Was that very smart that she didn't sign that, Jim?
ROBINSON: She could have gone to jail for a long time if she would have signed that document, yes.
KING: Boy! So he was ready to...
ROBINSON: He was suborning perjury.
KING: And that's what they were investigating. That's what you were in Washington for, right? What was that about, in Washington? There was no grand jury, right?
ROBINSON: No. No. We met with two U.S. attorneys, both homicide, prosecutor attorneys. We had two FBI agents and two detectives from Washington metro police.
KING: Looking at all of this, both the perjury aspect and the investigation into Chandra Levy?
ROBINSON: Very, very, very detailed, day by day by day, hour, hour by hour.
KING: What was that like for you? SMITH: Grilling. Exhausting.
KING: Now, you're lucky, though. You had a diary.
SMITH: Right.
KING: So whenever you give a date you were able to present a dairy?
SMITH: Right.
KING: How did they know you had a diary?
SMITH: I presented to it them.
KING: Oh. Did they ask, though? Do you have a dairy?
SMITH: No, I just said I have this with specific dates, of phone calls, and -- it was kind of after the fact that I wrote down certain dates that he had called me and what he had said in those conversations.
KING: That was smart, Jim.
ROBINSON: She is a smart girl.
SMITH: Well, I had everything saved in my voice mail, so I just kind of went back through and listened.
KING: So you were able to give them a lot of information.
SMITH: I hope so. I mean, I hope what I gave them was helpful.
KING: Are you -- all right. Let's get to that when we come back, how feel about Gary, how you feel about others, what you want to say tonight. This by the way, is, she tells us, the last time she's going to appear in the media. She wants to go back to, as best as possible, a normal life. We'll see if that's possible.
We'll be right back with Anne Marie Smith and Jim Robinson. Don't go away.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
KING: We're back with Anne Marie Smith and her attorney, Jim Robinson.
What was the relationship -- just some other things in the affair itself? You would meet in Washington, have dinner?
SMITH: Right. We'd meet in Washington. I would fly out there, or I would meet him in California.
KING: Wasn't he a pretty well-known figure? I mean, he's a Congressman.
SMITH: Yes.
KING: Didn't he think that -- does he worry that people in the restaurant might see him with a woman?
SMITH: He was really worried. He'd always wear sunglasses and a hat when we went out.
KING: Even at dinner?
SMITH: Yes.
KING: When you would meet him, it would be in his apartment?
SMITH: Right.
KING: Would he ever come to your hotel room?
SMITH: Yes.
KING: Did he, like, sneak in? Would he wear glasses?
SMITH: No, he would come in, like, the hotel room, but I was never accompanying him when he came in.
KING: So you'd be there already.
SMITH: Right, and he'd meet me.
SMITH: But you were not, not public?
SMITH: No.
KING: In other words, you were out in the public. It wasn't all sneaking around alleys.
SMITH: It was very careful, though. He was very careful about it.
KING: And in California, where would you meet him?
SMITH: I would meet him at a hotel.
KING: In San Francisco?
SMITH: In San Francisco. Sometimes, I would pick him up at the airport and take him to a meeting point, where his -- a staff member would pick him up.
KING: Someone had reported that he was into a lot of kinky things. Was any of that true?
SMITH: I think so. I'm not really comfortable talking about it.
KING: But you could say yes?
SMITH: Yes. KING: Were you -- I don't know if victim is the right word, were you a prisoner of this relationship in a sense? I don't want to say under a spell, that seems trite.
SMITH: I know what you are saying, I really -- he is very manipulative. For example, I would say, "I think I'm going up to Seattle this weekend." or, "I have a couple days off, I think I'm going to head up to Seattle," and he would call me and say, "Well, you know, I'm going to be in San Francisco tomorrow, why don't you just stay," and then he wouldn't show up in -- I would stay and he wouldn't show up.
KING: When did you -- all right, he wanted you to sign this thing. He told you what, that there would be no trial, you would never be in trouble?
SMITH: Right.
KING: When did you turn on him? When did you start to say, wait a minute, this is this is not a right guy?
SMITH: Actually, it was -- he kept pressing me to sign this affidavit, and my attorney was not aware that he was calling me and asking me to sign it. And so finally, Jim called me and said, "what's going on?" And -- you can take over.
ROBINSON: Well, Abbe Lowell called me and said that there had been communications -- he said from my client to the congressman, and I said this is news to me. Let me find out about it. I called Anne Marie, she got very upset, she says, "I'm not calling him! He is calling me! And I'm returning his phone calls." I said what's -- what's he want to talk about?
She says, he wants me to sign this affidavit. And I just blew up. And I said, the congressman himself who knows this thing is false, is asking you to suborn perjury? And she said: "What's suborn perjury?" I explained it to her.
KING: Is that when you turned? Is that when you decided that if this is going to be public and "The Star" is going to print it, I'm going to take some action here.
SMITH: Exactly. My attorney advised me that the best way to handle it was to make a public statement, and he basically used it as a -- what do you call it -- my appearance?
ROBINSON: Oh, proffer.
SMITH: My interview?
ROBINSON: Interview...
SMITH: No, my initial interview?
KING: You mean to go on television?
SMITH: Right, when you said -- when we went on television.
ROBINSON: Oh, yes.
KING: That was done to set the record straight?
SMITH: It was used to set the record straight and also to record everything.
ROBINSON: We wanted to record absolutely what her knowledge was. I didn't even know who to call in D.C. at that point, I didn't even know who to trust. I didn't know...
KING: Have you spoken to him since then? Since appearing?
SMITH: No, I haven't.
KING: Have you heard direct contact from lawyers since then?
SMITH: No, I have not.
KING: None. What happened to you after you came forward? For example, did friends get mad at you or support you?
SMITH: My friends have been so supportive, and I would like to thank them for that. Everybody has been extremely...
KING: Did any friends of the congressman get mad at you?
SMITH: Not that I'm aware of. I haven't heard anything.
KING: You haven't had any threats or anything like that?
SMITH: No.
KING: What do you make now of where this has all gone? We have learned so much more. Did you -- now, thinking back, should have figured out he had other girlfriends?
SMITH: I had an intuition that he was dating people, and I kept asking him, and he would say, "I'm not dating anybody, you are the only one. You know, if you keep asking me you are going to mess up the relationship." And he also told me to never talk about it to anybody, to totally keep it a secret. And he was really upset when he found out that I had told one of my roommates about the relationship.
KING: Another thing you knew, Anne Marie, in coming forward, you would have to lay your life out.
SMITH: Right.
KING: And you did have a relationship with a married man.
SMITH: Right.
KING: You were the other woman.
SMITH: Right.
KING: Had to be hard.
SMITH: It was very hard. You know, it was very -- it is the most difficult thing I have ever done in my life.
KING: And now people know you, they know you walk down the street, they know you -- paparazzi follow you everywhere.
SMITH: Yes.
KING: That will go away. This is your last -- you are not going to make any more media appearances, right?
SMITH: I am not making any more media appearances, I want the cameras to quit following me, I want to go back to my life as a flight attendant and live in San Francisco peacefully. I did this to help with the case. It wasn't about me. And I want the media to understand that, that it's not about me. It is about finding Chandra and helping the family. And that is why I had to do it.
KING: You also -- we'll get to break and when we come back from break, you have a message for other people who may have been involved. This could be very important, so stay with us. We will be right back, don't go away.
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KING: Before we continue just with the interview and take your phone calls, Anne Marie did want to say something tonight to other women that may have been involved. What?
SMITH: I just want to say that if there are other women that know anything about this and that are afraid to come forward, or have been threatened in any way, I encourage them from the bottom of my heart to come forward, because, the longer you keep silent, the stronger you make these people, and just telling the truth will make you safe. And I just urge you, urge you, to come forward.
KING: You are saying if you are involved with Congressman Condit, you are better off coming forward?
SMITH: Correct.
KING: ... than not coming forward.
SMITH: Correct.
KING: Because once you get it out, you are out.
SMITH: Right. I understand that a couple people are -- have been threatened and are afraid, and I would urge them -- there is safety in telling the truth, and it's...
KING: So you are saying now, if anybody is watching this show who knew Gary Condit, had a relationship with Gary Condit, come forward.
SMITH: Right.
KING: Even though that may have nothing to do with the missing Ms. Levy. It certainly deals with his character.
SMITH: Right. And especially if there have been threats made, there is safety in coming forward, there is safety in telling their story.
KING: Did you find things in his apartment -- there were reports you would find things in his apartment that led you to be curious?
SMITH: I found a couple items, and I asked him...
KING: Like?
SMITH: I found some hairs, obviously women's hairs
KING: Not yours?
SMITH: Women's hairs.
ROBINSON: That's about it. You want to not talk about other...
(CROSSTALK)
KING: Those are the things that she could not talk about -- just so we explained to the viewers why.
ROBINSON: Well, we have disclosed a lot of things to investigators, and we don't want to put that out in the press, because of the fact that we don't want -- Mr. Condit, if he is guilty of anything to have nine months to figure out how to explain that away.
KING: You mean, some of the stuff that she pointed out to them might be part of a criminal investigation.
ROBINSON: Yes.
KING: Either with Chandra Levy or something that they could use.
ROBINSON: Yes. And since the hairs we have talked about before, some of the other things we've only talked to prosecutors about, and they have asked us obviously to not put that out, so they have that as evidence for a later date.
KING: Just as an offshoot, do you think Congressman Condit is in big trouble, Chandra Levy aside?
ROBINSON: Well, you know, I was thinking about it on the way over here, and Congressman Condit came out in the papers and he said, "I don't need a criminal attorney." Well, Mr. Thornton, when I was talking to him about the affidavit, confirmed to me that day one he hired Abbe Lowell, and... KING: I want to ask -- I want to play you a statement made by Abbe Lowell today, when we come back, and also a statement made by the D.C. police, and I want to -- Anne Marie, I want to get your thoughts on how you think this guy you knew so well let this happen. Why would he be involved with an intern? All right, he's married. Let's say his marriage is unhappy. You're a mature lady, a very attractive -- why -- why do you think an intern?
I mean, it just affects people. And we, of course, have invited Congressman Condit and Abbe Lowell and others to appear. They could have appeared tonight and they declined. We'll be right back. Don't go away.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
KING: We are back with Anne Marie Smith, flight attendant for United Airlines, and Jim Robinson her attorney. Abbe Lowell made an announcement today concerning his client's taking a lie detector test. Watch.
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ABBE LOWELL, GARY CONDIT'S ATTORNEY: Agent Colvert concluded that the congressman was not deceptive in any way and in fact had a probability of deception of less than 1 hundredth of one percent to the only questions that mattered.
These were first: Did the Congressman have anything at all to do with the disappearance of Miss Levy? Second: Did he harm her or cause anyone else to harm her in any way? And, third: Does he know where she can be located?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: That was Abbe Lowell today. The assistant D.C. police chief Mr. Gainer characterized the test. His response this way, watch.
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ASSISTANT CHIEF TERRANCE GAINER, D.C. METROPOLITAN POLICE: I have never been involved in a polygraph in all these 30-some years of policing and homicide investigations where the polygraph examiner didn't want to know the facts of the case.
And generally the honest facts of the case, quite frankly, are given by law enforcement authorities. So this is a bit self-serving.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: What do you make of this, Anne Marie?
SMITH: Well, I like to know who applied the polygraph test.
KING: It was an independent polygraph. A former FBI polygrapher, hired by the defense. SMITH: Um-hmm. I'm not sure what to make of it.
KING: Jim?
ROBINSON: I think Chief Gainer said it. It should have been given by the police, under control of the police. The questions should have been asked by the police. And, I think this is a stunt by Abbe Lowell.
KING: A stunt.
ROBINSON: Yes.
KING: Anne Marie, how do you explain the congressman, a United States congressman, bright, right?
SMITH: Right.
KING: Did he ever talk to you about bills and stuff ever going on in Congress?
SMITH: Yes, we had great discussions about politics.
KING: You did? You talked politics a lot, you talked about his friends and people he liked and being a Democrat and Republican and Modesto, you had a relationship.
SMITH: Um-hmm.
KING: What do you make of him being involved with an intern?
SMITH: Well, I really questioned it. I mean, he is a responsible man with a lot of power, and perhaps that is why he was doing it, because it made him feel more powerful. I don't really know. And the other thing I have really questioned is why would he get involved with somebody from his district.
If he wanted to have an affair, why with a 24-year-old intern living in D.C. who is from his district. I mean obviously I have a lot of questions regarding this. And I don't have any answers to them.
KING: All right, how do you feel toward him today? How would you describe it? Anger, disappointment? What?
SMITH: Well, I feel betrayed, because I felt like when the media started pounding on my door, my parent's doors, my friends's doors, my attorneys's door, I felt like he wasn't there as a friend. I mean before...
KING: What should he have said?
SMITH: Before we were talking every day on the phone, he was very caring and concerned about me, and then when this started happening it was like -- you know we have to stop it, but it wasn't like -- I never got an apology from him for putting me in this situation. I never asked to be involved in this situation. So from that standpoint I feel betrayed.
KING: When you think back, and you obviously, all we have are our thoughts and our memories. Do you think he was a womanizer and you were one of many and this was just a steady stream of extra women?
SMITH: I know he is a womanizer. He told me about affairs that he had had in the past.
KING: So that he even told you?
SMITH: Right -- and long term fairs.
KING: Long term affairs?
SMITH: Um-hmm.
KING: Did he name the people? I'm not going to ask you to name them.
SMITH: No, he never named any names.
KING: Did you think he was seeing people while he was seeing you?
SMITH: I did not. Because I continually asked him and he said no.
KING: But now do you?
SMITH: Well now I know.
KING: You know...
SMITH: Right.
KING: ... he was seeing Chandra Levy. How do you feel about her parents?
SMITH: My heart goes out to them. And that is one reason why I had to come forward with this story. And my heart -- I mean I think about them every day. My heart just really goes out to them, and I...
KING: It's sad.
SMITH: Pardon.
KING: It is sad.
SMITH: It's very sad.
KING: There are a lot of people saying, how is Anne Marie Smith germane to Chandra Levy, Jim, except as a character statement?
ROBINSON: There is not only character, there is an MO here. This -- people don't change their habits, who they date, how they try to control them, how they try to control the situation, how they react when a woman gets nervous, starts to get possessive, and that is why these other women need to come forward.
KING: So if he did it with her, he did it with her, if he did it with her, he did it with that one, if he did it with that one, he did it with that one, so he has to be a controlling figure in Chandra Levy life?
ROBINSON: Yes.
KING: Therefore it has to come under that veil of suspicion of something?
ROBINSON: Of something. She may have come -- got to some point where she said enough is enough. I know about this, I know about this, I -- this is all speculation -- but pushed him to his limit and...
KING: Do you fear the worst here?
ROBINSON: Yes, I absolutely do.
KING: He never harmed you, did he?
SMITH: No.
KING: Ever come close to harming you?
SMITH: No.
KING: Ever argue?
SMITH: We would argue. He is a really quiet -- like anger. He gets really quiet when he's angry.
KING: Sort of seeths.
SMITH: Pardon.
KING: He liked seething.
SMITH: He does.
KING: We will be right back with Anne Marie Smith and Jim Robinson. And as we go to break, and by the way we will start taking some of your phone calls, as we go to break here is the response of the Levy's attorney Billy Martin tonight to all of this.
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BILLY MARTIN, LEVY FAMILY ATTORNEY: They are very disappointed, disappointed because the idea of a polygraph, of a lie detector test was raised by me on behalf of the Levys and we asked the congressman to cooperate with law enforcement authorities on agreeing to a term that would avoid any questions as to objectivity of the polygraph. We asked that some time ago, and yesterday it seems that the congressman and his attorneys snuck off to a private polygraph examiner and took a polygraph on his terms. Once again it shows to us that the congressman is releasing information on his terms and when he wants to release that information.
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LOWELL: I don't understand yesterday, I don't understand today and I don't understand tomorrow what anything about Anne Marie Smith has to do with the disappearance of Chandra Levy. Unless somebody can point that out, I don't understand why he should be asked about it, either with a polygraph, without a polygraph, or I should be asked about it at this conference.
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KING: Well, now you're being mentioned by Mr. Lowell. How do you react to that?
SMITH: That's the first time I've heard that.
KING: Are you surprised?
SMITH: No, I'm not surprised at all.
KING: You, Jim?
ROBINSON: I'm surprised that he doesn't understand. This man is a serial predator of women. And that's what this investigation is about. That's why they want to talk to Anne Marie, that's why they want to talk to other women, and he doesn't understand.
KING: By the way, this is going to come out, but Anne Marie found in her apartment with her roommate, the agreement between what, "The Star" and your roommate.
SMITH: Correct.
KING: That they would pay her in return for breaking the story about you, right?
SMITH: Right.
KING: How much money?
SMITH: $2,500.
KING: $2,500.
SMITH: Right.
ROBINSON: And apparently, they split it.
KING: They split it.
SMITH: Our friendship was based on $2,500, the value of our friendship.
KING: Sacramento, as we go to some calls for Anne Marie Smith and Jim Robinson -- hello.
CALLER: Yes, what have you learned about yourself as a person, and about Mr. Condit as a person, after having had this affair and this entire matter that you've been dealing with?
KING: Excellent question. How has this changed you? What have you learned about yourself?
SMITH: I've learned not to be so trusting of people, and to really -- I mean, I'm very trusting of people and believe them. I like to give them the benefit of the doubt.
KING: Has it made you wary?
SMITH: It's made me very wary.
KING: Would you say wouldn't date a married man again?
SMITH: Definitely not. I mean, I knew I shouldn't have been doing it in the first place.
KING: What did you learn about him? What do you know now, didn't know then? Aside from the women?
SMITH: He is deceitful and manipulative. I mean, I really trusted him. I thought he was always telling me the truth, and -- I tried to believe him. And then when you find out that somebody is lying to you, and deceiving you, it's very hurtful.
KING: Would you say that nothing you learned, then, would be surprising at this point? When you hurt? I mean, any news that breaks, if many more women come forward, it wouldn't surprise you?
SMITH: No.
KING: In fact, you're asking them to come forward.
SMITH: Right.
KING: Fresno, California, hello.
CALLER: Yes, I'd like to ask Anne Marie Smith...
KING: Go ahead.
CALLER: Yes, I'd like to ask Anne Marie Smith why she was going with a married man to begin with, and she sounds like she's a scorned woman. KING: Scorned? Do you feel scorned?
SMITH: No, I don't. I mean, I knew what I was getting into. I don't feel scorned at all.
KING: And with a married man, how did that -- well, you believed him about the relationship with his wife, right?
SMITH: Right. I believe she's very ill. I thought I was the only one he was dating, and obviously there were multiple people he was seeing. Well, it's kind of come out that there were several others. And what I want to reiterate is that this is not -- this whole thing is not about me. You know, it's -- I had to come forward.
KING: Because someone...
SMITH: Set the story straight and also to cover the who affidavit issue. But the whole focus is on Chandra. It's not about me. I made a mistake. I dated a married man, and I found out that he wasn't the nicest of people. And that's how -- I mean, I feel very badly about that.
KING: Are you a little concerned that he apparently, again, since he hasn't done anything -- doesn't appear more concerned about her?
SMITH: I am very concerned.
KING: Well, you'd think if you were friends, he'd be batting down doors in anger.
SMITH: That's what I told Jim. It's like, if it was my friend, I'd be out there, exactly, doing just that. You know, where is she? We were friends. He just he seems really cold and uncaring.
KING: What do you make of that, Jim? Why doesn't he...
ROBINSON: Well, I think that the police chief in D.C. -- when Abbe Lowell said, well, we didn't answer that because they didn't ask the right question until the third interview, that's ludicrous. That's absolutely ludicrous. I mean, I saw the chief on TV, and he was just, come on, give me break!
KING: We'll be right back with more calls for Anne Marie Smith and Jim Robinson. Again, this is her last media appearance. She's asking to be left alone. She's also asking others, if you know anything, to come forward. It's the best thing to do. We'll ask her about how she's been treated, how she feels about those friends as well. Don't go away.
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SUSAN LEVY, CHANDRA LEVY'S MOTHER: I'm not worrying about anybody's political career or anything like that. My focus is to bring my daughter home. And it is important to find out who she's been with in the last few days, that the communication was there, and who the relationship she was with, and to build an understanding to what might have happened. And so, I mean, everybody's talking about political things and how it's affecting the rest of the country, whatever, or who, individually. Or who's going to run for this seat or what -- I mean, I'm not out to hurt anybody's political causes or anything like that. I am just -- my husband are just, we're parents and we want our daughter home.
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LOWELL: If you and your brothers and sisters in California continue to sort of pry into the Condit family life and try to find out what medications they Condits have been on, and how did he do in high school, and whether his children do this, or that, that may fill your papers and your Web sites and your TV shows, but it is not going to find Chandra Levy and it is going to be counterproductive.
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KING: Allentown, Pennsylvania, for Anne Marie Smith and Jim Robinson. Hello.
CALLER: Hi, I was wondering if your guests could imagine any enemies who would want to set the congressman up to ruin him politically, by bringing out this affairs. Maybe those individuals could have Miss Levy, or that she just disappeared because she felt scorned?
KING: Do you have any thoughts?
SMITH: I thought about that. It's been one of my theories.
KING: That?
SMITH: That maybe there is somebody trying to set him up.
KING: Did he have enemies?
SMITH: I don't know. I -- I have no idea.
KING: So, he never told you...
SMITH: No.
KING: ... there is this guy who hates me, or something like that?
SMITH: No, he never said anything like that, and you know, there is -- I mean, there are so many theories floating around, just...
KING: Have you talked to the Levys?
SMITH: I have talked to them.
KING: By phone? SMITH: By phone, and I want to call them again.
KING: What did they say?
SMITH: They said -- they were so sweet when I talked to them, they said, well, you are in our hearts and our prayers, and I -- I said, well, you know, I have been thinking about you every day -- it's not about me, I mean, I was just like -- I mean, just their kindness and their, you know, in this difficult time that they are going through just amazed me. It was very touching.
KING: Setauket, New York, hello.
CALLER: Hello, Larry.
KING: Hi.
CALLER: Hi, Anne Marie, I have a question to you: what really attracted you? His looks, his power, or his wealth?
KING: I don't know that he is wealthy that is -- I don't think he is.
ROBINSON: I don't believe he is, no.
KING: What attracted you?
SMITH: I think what attracted me to him is his personality. We had a lot of fun together, he was -- he made me feel like I was special. He was very caring. We had great times together. And actually, I told him that I didn't like his job, because when you are in that position, your life isn't really your own.
KING: Did he talk about his children?
SMITH: Yeah, he would talk about his children.
KING: Was he -- did he seem like a good father?
SMITH: He seemed like a very good father. Cared about his children, talked to them a lot. He helped them I think get their positions that they are working at now.
KING: You were a real part of his life.
SMITH: I thought so.
KING: Back with our remaining moments with Anne Marie Smith and Jim Robinson after this.
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LEVY: I don't think she would harm herself. I have given her -- because of my family background, I have given her the reality of how valued life is, and how valued you living is, and I think that she -- if there was a, you know, let's say a romantic breakup or something, I think she could be very saddened, but she would go on because she knew she had a future, as far as school, and career -- and I don't think she would harm herself, as media had talked about.
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KING: This program is always fair, so there is also an invitation to the congressman to come forward and tell us any side of the story he wishes, and Abbe Lowell of course invited as well, Abbe a previous guest on this show a number of times.
Take another call for Anne Marie. Merced, California, hello.
CALLER: Hello, Larry. My question is to Ms. Smith, does she feel that she is paying a high price for having an affair with a high- profile married man? And she says she feels compassion for the Levys, well how about Mrs. Condit?
SMITH: I definitely feel compassion for Mrs. Condit. I -- especially now. I can imagine what she is experiencing, and I think that -- you know, I do have a lot of regrets for dating a married man. But it's not like -- I mean, it is -- you can't go back and undo what you have done in the past, you can only go forward and live a better life.
KING: But he did lie to you about the relationship with the wife, right?
SMITH: He did.
KING: Do you, by the way, when he said "don't sign anything," did he ever threaten you?
SMITH: No, never threatened me, but he...
KING: Did he say something bad was going to happen to you if you did -- didn't sign it?
SMITH: No.
KING: Did he sound at all threatening?
SMITH: No, but he is very -- like I said before, he is very controlling. And he wants you to feel like...
KING: You have to do this.
SMITH: Well, if you don't, like you are hurting him or you are letting him down. He is very good at making you feel like that.
KING: Guilt.
SMITH: Guilt.
KING: Sioux City, Iowa, hello. CALLER: Hello. I have a question for the three of you. I have noticed in the last couple days Condit's demeanor, smiling big at reporters going to and from his office, does that strike anybody else as a little strange, that demeanor? In light of someone who is supposed to care about so very much -- being missing.
KING: I will let the guests respond. Sometimes people, though, in nervous situations act -- their mannerisms can be all different. What do you think about -- he has been smiling a lot?
ROBINSON: Absolutely. I have known Anne for 12 years, and she smiles a lot, and she hasn't been smiling a lot lately. And...
KING: Are you surprised?
ROBINSON: Oh, absolutely. He is constantly smiling. I don't know what he is so happy about.
KING: What do you make of that, Anne Marie? The girl is still missing.
SMITH: Well, I find it a little cold. It seems to me like he is smiling at the cameras, and he doesn't seem that concerned. He is very cold.
KING: What do you feel when you see him?
SMITH: I have a lot of emotions that go through me when I see him.
KING: Well, we've got 30 seconds, give me a few.
SMITH: Well, you know, I'm concerned about him. I, you know, sometimes I feel angry, you know. I'm -- it's...
KING: A lot of things.
SMITH: Yes, a lot of things. I mean, it's been...
KING: Sometimes sorry?
SMITH: Very sorry. It has been a very emotional time. I mean, it's like...
KING: A roller coaster.
SMITH: A roller coaster. It's not only dealing with like the loss of a good friend, you know, that he has talked to frequently, but now it is like, everything else that is thrown in with it.
KING: Well, we won't be seeing you again except maybe on a flight, right?
SMITH: That's right.
KING: Anne Marie Smith -- and we thank you, Jim, for helping arrange this, the attorney for Anne Marie Smith.
Stay tuned for a special on Beijing and the Olympics. See you tomorrow night. Good night.
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