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Interview With John Edward

Aired February 28, 2003 - 21:00   ET

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LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight, psychic John Edward. He says he can talk to your dear departed loved ones, and all he has to do is hear your voice. He is here for the hour with your phone calls. Do you believe?
John Edward, next on "LARRY KING LIVE."

Good idea to start calling in early. We'll get to a lot of calls tonight.

It's always a great pleasure to welcome John Edward to this podium. He is renowned as a psychic medium and host and executive producer of "Crossing Over With John Edward," now in its second nationally syndicated season.

He's a "New York Times" best-selling author. The most recent book, "Crossing Over: The Stories Behind the Stories," is available in paperback. He's got a new book coming this fall called "Afterlife: Answers From the Other Side." That's just going to be a continuation of the previous book?

JOHN EDWARD, HOST, "CROSSING OVER": Actually, it's going to be more in the vein of my first book, "One Last Time." One of the things that I got, as far as negative response, from people that read "Crossing Over," this book, was that they wanted more readings. They wanted to hear more about my experiences with my clients, and what lessons did I get from it.

And I talked a lot about the TV show in "Crossing Over," in the second book, which I thought I needed to, just to document, like, my past spiritually. But I'm going back to, like, the style of the first book, where I'm talking more about what, you know, I've learned as a medium and what my clients have gotten out of their experiences.

KING: Are there a lot of mediums?

EDWARD: Sure there are. I think there are a lot of mediums around the world that do this work, because...

KING: Have you met others?

EDWARD: Sure, I know a lot of people.

KING: Do you compare notes? EDWARD: Do you compare notes? I don't usually compare notes, but I think you compare experiences. And one of the fun things that I had the privilege of doing was working with the woman by the name of Shelly Peck (ph), who unfortunately is no longer with us. And she and I had a very similar style in the sense of that a lot of our symbolism was almost identical.

And when I would get something that would be, like, a weird thing in a session, I would call her up and be, like, I had the strangest thing happen tonight, and some of the phone conversations would last for hours.

KING: Have you communicated with her?

EDWARD: Not in the way that I would like to.

KING: What do you mean?

EDWARD: You know, I think, you know, I -- even though I am a medium, and, you know, I'm a person first, and I -- this is somebody that I knew half my life, and she was a really, really good friend to me. So I think that I, in some respects, even though it's probably -- you know, it's been a while now -- I'm still going through my own type of unpacking my own emotional connections to her as a person. And when it's the right time, she'll let me know she's around.

KING: But you can connect to all of our listeners who are emotionally...

EDWARD: Absolutely.

KING: ... viewers who are emotionally connected to those people.

EDWARD: But I'm not friendly -- I'm not good friends, and I didn't have a relationship of my own.

KING: So you couldn't connect with your own grandfather.

EDWARD: I could. But usually it would happen in a different way. See, when you're working with somebody that you don't know, you can be completely objective. And you can just kind of say, you know, Here you go, this is what I'm seeing, hearing, and feeling.

As soon as you start getting information that you can identify and you know, then you have to stop and say, Well, I know that. You know, so you can't be as objective and become subjective.

KING: Couple of other things, John. And we'll take a lot of calls tonight, so keep them coming in. What if you tune in to a guy who's -- touch (UNINTELLIGIBLE) -- I want to talk to my uncle, and the guy in the dead world says to you, I didn't like him then, and I don't like him now. Would you tell him that?

EDWARD: Yes. It's not (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

KING: Because I've never heard... EDWARD: It doesn't...

KING: It can't be everybody likes everybody.

EDWARD: It doesn't normally happen. It's usually the opposite. It's more like the person calls in, and they really want to talk to their mother, and they're desperately hoping to talk to their mother, and I connect with a female figure above them who's not their mother, but their mother-in-law. And odds are you didn't like her when she was alive, you're not going to be liking the fact that she's coming to you right now.

KING: How about famous people? You ever talk to Babe Ruth? Babe Ruth.

EDWARD: No. I've never spoken to Babe Ruth.

KING: But would you need Babe Ruth's granddaughter to communicate?

EDWARD: Absolutely.

KING: Why?

EDWARD: Because you need that link. You need to have a link to that person.

You know, very recently, when Elvis had his, like, number-one song on the radio, this, you know, this past summer, they, like, they retooled that song, and it was, like, all over the place? I was getting bombarded by radio stations all around the world wanting to know if I would come on their station so that they can have an exclusive. And I said, An exclusive with what? And they're, like, Well, with Elvis, so we can get his opinion on what he thinks about...

KING: But if Lisa Marie were here, you could communicate with Elvis, maybe?

EDWARD: It depends. You know, you could have five of his relatives here, it doesn't mean he's going to come through.

KING: Now, John, the obvious. I mean, it's so easy to be skeptical and to knock this, although many nights you've proven uncanny here. What are you doing?

EDWARD: What am I doing?

KING: Where -- yes, where are they?

EDWARD: They're around -- the people that are calling in, they're around us. The people who have gone over, they are still connected to us by love and experience. And when they come through, what they're doing is, they're validating their connection still to us to let us know that there's something else beyond the physical world and that we are still connected. And to me, there's only a few reasons as to why somebody would want to seek out a medium or would want to know that this is real, and very simply, they want to know their loved ones are with them, that they're OK, that they're still a part of their lives, that they see what's happened in their lives since they've crossed.

And then that, to me, is the foundation upon which every kind of session would begin or start.

KING: You're playing to an affirmative, though. We all want to live forever, and we'd like to know that when we die, it ain't the end.

EDWARD: Right.

KING: And you're telling us it ain't. So you have a natural step up.

EDWARD: I don't think so. You know, I think that...

KING: No?

EDWARD: ... when you get -- I don't think so. I'll tell you why. I think when you're dealing with the subject matter, you're dealing with people's emotions and their issues. And when you're dealing with emotional issues like loss, people -- you know, it takes a time to go through that journey of grief.

And I say this all of the time on "Crossing Over." If you've lost a loved one, please do not run out looking for a medium. You need to deal with your grief, you need to honor that journey, you need to seek, you know, seek out counseling, you need to work through that process. (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

KING: Yes, but isn't it comforting to know that they're there somewhere?

EDWARD: When it's the right time. When you...

KING: You're proving religion correct, aren't you?

EDWARD: When it's the right time. Otherwise, all you're doing -- If somebody's not in the right place emotionally, I do not advocate them going for a session or trying to -- or find a medium, because if they're not dealing with somebody who is going to help validate their experience, or is not dealing with somebody who is legitimate and cares about the process, then what's going to happen is, they can actually -- you know, they'll hear stuff that's going to make them feel good, but that's not what this is about.

KING: Could you hope -- could you help the relative of a murdered person find the killer?

EDWARD: I probably could help the relative of a murdered person deal with the loss of that loved one with the information that comes through, but I do not like working with pointing the finger of blame, because there's such an interpretational element (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

KING: Who would know better than the person that got killed, who killed them?

EDWARD: Well, they sure would, right? But that's got to come through me, and what if I misinterpret it? I would not -- and I misinterpret all the time, so I would not want the responsibility.

KING: Yes. By misinterpret means -- what happens when you misinterpret?

EDWARD: When I misinterpret, it means that I'm seeing something or I'm feeling something or I'm getting their energy, and I'm trying to deliver it to, you know, the person that, you know, I'm reading you, I'm going to deliver to you the information, well, if I say, you know, that there's a S-N name that's connected to you, and I say you -- you know, it's Stephen, well, you're going to say, No, doesn't make sense, but there's a Sean that's connected to you. So that's a misinterpretation.

And I had that experience, where somebody came to me for a reading where there was somebody that was missing, and the information that I got was extremely accurate, and they pretty much gave me the information as to who the person was that did it. And the woman had lost somebody who had the same exact name, and she just assumed that her child was with, you know, the cousin who had passed.

But all the information pointed to the girl's boyfriend. And you did not have to ask anybody, me or anybody listening to what came through. You would have thought that the boyfriend did it, and it wasn't the boyfriend.

KING: Do you like what you have?

LEWIS: It depends upon the day, to be honest.

KING: There are days you don't like it.

EDWARD: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) -- absolutely. I love the ability to be able to reunite people, and to see that. It's very, very rewarding, and it's a gift. That, to me, is -- that completion of the circle is the gift.

And then there are times where it's just, like, you know, it gets old. You know, either the potshots that people take -- My personal thing is when people try to define your motivation as to why you would do something like this.

KING: They think you're shallow.

EDWARD: Yes. Well, not even that, but when they try to define your motivation as to why you do that, as if they know me, or as if they know where I'm coming from or what brought me to this point, you know?

KING: Let me get a quick break. And when we come back, we'll go to your phone calls for John Edward, the host of "Crossing Over With John Edward," now in its second season in national syndication.

By the way, the Osbournes -- you could communicate with them -- the Osbournes will be here in their first-ever live, prime-time interview Monday night. Get your tape recorders going.

We'll be right back.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "CROSSING OVER WITH JOHN EDWARD")

EDWARD: Do you know the song, "You Were Always in My Heart"?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God. "Always in My Heart."

EDWARD: What does that mean?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was said on his grave site, "Always in My Heart."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Those exact words.

EDWARD: OK. Because I was listening to that song this morning in my car, because it was a song that reminded me of my grandmother and my grandfather. And I looked at that, and I'm thinking, Why am I listening to that today? Now I know why.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: We're going to go to calls for John Edward.

By the way, you can contact him at crossingoverwithjohnedward.com on the Internet.

We go to Milwaukee for John. Hello?

CALLER: Hello, John.

EDWARD: Hi, how are you?

CALLER: Oh, I'm great. This is so great to talk to you, because...

EDWARD: Thank you.

CALLER: ... what I do in the evening is, I put your show on, and for some reason it's so calm and peaceful. I get something out of it, something spiritual...

EDWARD: Thank you. I appreciate that.

CALLER: ... when I watch you.

Can you -- I don't know what to ask you. Can you tell me anything? EDWARD: Well, let me just tell you, for anybody that's watching or that's listening, that, you know, that's going to have this experience from me, what happens is, whatever I'm seeing, hearing, and feeling I'm going to share with you. I don't communicate with them in the way that I'm speaking with you right now. But whatever it is that I'm getting, I'll pass on to you.

And I know that you're calling and hoping that I can connect with you, but always -- people always want to know that one person might be...

KING: She didn't ask about any...

EDWARD: She didn't ask about any specific person...

KING: ... specific person.

EDWARD: ... but there's always that kind of hope I might connect with that one person. So all I have to say is, please listen to what I'm saying. I might not connect with who you're hoping, but if somebody has passed, if you can, just acknowledge it.

What's your first name?

CALLER: Elaine.

EDWARD: Elaine, the first thing I'm going to tell you is, either your mom has passed, but I have an older female who I feel like is connected around you, OK?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: And I feel like I need to acknowledge that either there's some type of connection to the month of February or the second of a month, which to me means that there's either a birthday or an anniversary in the month of February, or something took place in the second of the a month. That's what they're showing me, OK?

I'm also going to tell you that -- is your dad passed too?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: OK. And you had two dads? Either you have two father figures, or there's an uncle or a father-in-law who's also passed. It's the one that had the cancer that affected the lungs. Because there's somebody that's with the older female that had the cancer that affects the lungs.

CALLER: That was my mother.

EDWARD: OK, well, they're telling me to acknowledge that your mom's got two men that are hanging out with her, which means she's got your dad with her -- Larry just popped a suspender -- she's got your dad with her, and there's another man that she's hanging out with her who might be the father-in-law.

KING: Even after life they fool around. Can't get away from it, man. It's as old as the hills.

EDWARD: Is there something -- is there -- Elaine, is there some type of reference as to why your mom wants me to talk about either her sewing, her needlepoint, or your sewing or needlepoint, or something that's connected to the both of you?

CALLER: That I don't know. I don't...

EDWARD: OK. To me, it's not crochet, it's not knitting. It's like an -- it's (UNINTELLIGIBLE) -- it's got to be, like, sewing, or a needle thing. I'm sewing something. So, like, if you tell me that right now as we're talking, you're doing this, and that's (UNINTELLIGIBLE) way of saying, I see what you're doing.

But she wants me to bring up this. OK? Just know that they see this as their way of coming through. And I don't know if you were in a different state or place when she- -- your mom passed, but I need you to know that they're aware that that -- you know, it's OK.

KING: Thank you, dear. Thanks for calling.

San Juan Islands, Washington. Hello?

CALLER: Hello. Hi, John. Hi, Larry.

KING: Hi.

CALLER: I'm wanting to know if you feel the presence of my father, who passed away almost four years ago.

EDWARD: I don't know if I'm connecting with your dad, but this is the first thing that's hitting me. Sometimes they give me, like, really, really weird things, and it's weird, and I just say it. There has to be a reference to somebody connected to your family who is known for doing animated voices, or somebody who, for some reason, they'd want me to talk about, like, imitating, like, Donald Duck or somebody who did some type of unique voice connected to the family. Who did that?

CALLER: My sister does weird voices, but dad used to whistle a lot.

EDWARD: Unless he whistled like Donald Duck, I don't think that's it.

CALLER: No, but he really liked Huey, Dewey, and Louie.

EDWARD: Well, that's -- this is where I'm going. They want me to acknowledge that there's a connection to Donald Duck...

CALLER: OK.

EDWARD: ... with this man. But I need to talk about the voices being done. I'm also supposed to talk...

KING: Where did that come from? EDWARD: I'm always supposed to talk about somebody -- and this is an -- you got a weird family, I'm sorry. But there's somebody who either gagged on a spoon, or somebody was choking on a fork, or somebody stuck something too far in the back of their throat. And they want me to bring this up for some reason. I don't know who this is. But they're telling me to bring up the J or G name connected to your family. Where...

CALLER: J or G?

EDWARD: Like, somebody's name's, like, John or Jim, it's, like, a short J name.

CALLER: No, I don't -- I can't think of anything.

EDWARD: Yes, you can. It's younger than you, and it's going to be somebody like, you know, the nephew, the grandson, the younger brother. It's the younger male that they would refer to.

CALLER: Well, my nephew just went into convulsions a couple of weeks ago.

EDWARD: And what's the J or G connection to him?

CALLER: Well, his name is not J or G, it's Sky.

EDWARD: OK. Well, there's a J or G connection around this. But I have to tell you, maybe the convulsions was, you know, showing me, like, an epileptic thing, like, you know, putting something on their tongue, I don't know, but that's the reference that they're coming through with. I don't know if it's coming from your dad, though, to be honest. I'm not getting a reference to your dad. But as soon as you started talking, that's what came through.

CALLER: OK.

KING: All right. Thank you.

EDWARD: thank you.

KING: Bethel, Connecticut, for John Edward. Hello.

CALLER: Hi, John.

EDWARD: Hey, how are you doing?

CALLER: Good. I just have a question for you. My mom passed away about a month ago, and she was on life support for over a week. And I just want to know if she heard all the things that I said to her.

EDWARD: Well, let me tell you this. Before you even started to speak, when he was saying -- announcing where you were calling from, the first thing I wanted to talk about was a Catholic priest. So I don't know if you guys have a Catholic background.

CALLER: Well, my mom does, but I'm Lutheran.

EDWARD: OK. I -- OK, but I want to talk about a Catholic priest, because the first thing I want to let you know is, somewhere in your family there has to be a priest that has passed, because I have to tell you that there was somebody that met her that would have been Catholic, of a -- they worked of the cloth.

Now, is there somebody there who had, like, the -- like -- did she have bands on both her legs? Were her legs wrapped?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: OK. I want you to know that yes, she did hear what was going on. And she wants me to talk about May. What happened in May?

There had to be some type of either hospitalization, or she was -- had a procedure, or something happened in the fifth month, because she's telling me to go back to May. She's also talking about the baby of the family. Are you her baby.

CALLER: No, my brother is, I'm the middle child.

EDWARD: I want to talk about the baby of the family. It's very important that you let him know that she came through. What -- and is he the guy in the uniform, or is that dad? Where is the uniform guy?

CALLER: Well, my husband's a volunteer firefighter...

EDWARD: OK.

CALLER: ... so he wears the uniform.

EDWARD: Did he help take care of her, or was he -- was he...

CALLER: Yes, he was very close to her.

EDWARD: I want you to thank him for being patient, and also for keeping her dignity. He helped her in ways that might have been difficult for her to know that somebody like her son-in-law was helping her. Just know that it's appreciated.

Is Mary connected directly to your mom?

CALLER: Mary? Yes, that was her roommate in the nursing home.

EDWARD: OK. Please know that your mom is OK. And she wants to know if you're going to actually replace the china, or if you're going to replace the glasses.

CALLER: Glasses, I don't have any china or glasses.

EDWARD: Well, she's asking me. I'm just supposed to tell you as I'm getting it. Are you going to replace the broken glasses, or the thing that's broken, the broken china or the broken glasses? Again, it's her way of letting you know she sees what's happening around you.

Thank you.

KING: Thank you, dear.

Boston, Massachusetts. Hello?

CALLER: Hi, John and Larry?

KING: Yes. Go ahead.

CALLER: Hi. Thank you for taking my call.

KING: Sure.

CALLER: I recently lost someone very close to me...

EDWARD: Let me just -- wait, stop right there. What's your first name?

CALLER: Bella.

EDWARD: How are you doing, Bella? I might not connect with who you want me to connect with. So I want you to listen, and if someone makes sense, you can say yes to it. If not, I'll probably not going to be able to connect with you.

I'm supposed to acknowledge a younger male that has crossed. So to me, I don't know if there is a younger male, like a younger brother for you, or if somebody around you lost their son or a younger male. But there's a younger energy that's coming through, that I have to tell you...

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: ... I'm getting, that passes in event, which to me means something happened that causes their passing. It's not a health-care- related issue. Do you understand this?

CALLER: I'm not sure.

EDWARD: OK, well, let me say this again. Is there a younger male that has passed connected to you?

CALLER: My mother's younger brother.

EDWARD: That's not a younger male to you. That would be...

CALLER: No.

EDWARD: ... that would be older than you. Somebody connected, from what I'm getting, passes in what I would see as being an event. Whether this is being vehicle related, or somebody had an impact of some sort, but it's a younger male connection, and they're telling me to acknowledge that this would be, like, somebody's younger male, like their son, like their nephew, like their younger brother.

CALLER: I'm not sure. EDWARD: OK, then I'm not going to be able to connect with you, because that's what's coming through, and it's going to be for somebody else that we're going to.

KING: Yes, when that happens, what does that tell you?

EDWARD: It means that I'm not connecting with them, and it's going to be for somebody else that we're going to, or somebody who's here.

KING: Grosse Point, Michigan.

Somebody in the studio?

EDWARD: Absolutely.

KING: Grosse Point, Michigan. Hello.

CALLER: Hello, John. I wondered if you could tell me anything about my mother or my father.

EDWARD: Let me just say this. You're not adopted, are you?

CALLER: No, I'm not.

EDWARD: OK. There has to be somebody that was raised by somebody else in your family, or somebody was raised by, like, their grandmother or their aunt, because I'm getting the feeling of, like, another person raising them. Can you explain that?

CALLER: Yes, my sister was raised by my aunt.

EDWARD: OK. And your mom...

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: ... had -- she had the neurological thing going on?

CALLER: She died when I was a baby. She died of a heart attack in her sleep.

EDWARD: OK, she's telling me to acknowledge somebody with, like, a neurological thing, like, somebody having, like, M.D., or M.S., or there's some type of Parkinson's. There's a feeling of some type of, neuromuscular, neurological thing in the family. I'm not getting father, I'm getting it from the older female. And the aunt that raised her sister, she's also passed?

CALLER: No, she's alive.

EDWARD: Your mom wants me to acknowledge that aunt. So if she's still here, I'm very happy to report that then. But it's the way of meet -- no, that's not it. Your aunt must have lost her husband, or your aunt must have lost somebody that's directly connected to her, because...

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: ... your mom is telling me to acknowledge that person's being there. And they're telling me to bring up either Robert, or Ronnie, or the R name that's connected to that family or your family. There's an R connection here. But they're bringing this up as well, and they're telling me to also acknowledge again that somebody had either a neurological disorder or something that would be, like, neuromuscular or something along those lines.

CALLER: OK.

EDWARD: All rightie?

KING: Thank you.

We'll be back with more calls for John Edward. Don't go away.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: In my role as a seasoned reporter, I must tell you that John almost totally accurately read a young lady in the studio here, who could have been someone, when you were talking to someone else, you were picking up her.

EDWARD: Right, that last (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

KING: So the question is, why don't you get a lot of jambelled things?

EDWARD: Oh, trust me, I do. It's just a matter of trying to -- hopefully that they're going to -- One -- part of my meditation, just so everybody knows this, is me asking them to be, like, polite and not to interrupt, and only come through when I'm talking to their family members, because in order for me to show people that this is real, and show legitimacy to it, it would only help if I'm talking to the family members of the people calling in on the show.

KING: What do dead people do all day?

EDWARD: What do they do all day? That's a really good question.

KING: That's why I asked it.

EDWARD: I don't think that they have an "all day," because we measure time in our world. I don't know if they really have any concept of time.

KING: Just thought I'd ask.

Land 'o Lakes, Wisconsin. Hello.

CALLER: Oh, hello, Larry, hi, John.

KING: Hi.

EDWARD: How are you? CALLER: This is so awesome to talk to you.

EDWARD: Thank you.

Don't say anything. Let me just go. What's your first name?

CALLER: Betsy.

EDWARD: Betsy, I don't know if your dad's passed, but I got an older male that's coming through, trying to let me know that he's here. And he's telling me to acknowledge that either you have the husband or brother who's passed, or there is a contemporary to you that I would see as passed as well. Do you understand this?

CALLER: Not really, no.

EDWARD: OK, let me do it again. Is there an older male connected to you, like your father, who passed?

CALLER: No, my dad's here.

EDWARD: OK, there's got to be a father-in-law or somebody who's crossed.

KING: Well, she -- you have a question for John? Betsy?

CALLER: Actually, yes, I was wondering if...

KING: What were you going to ask?

CALLER: Pardon?

KING: Go ahead.

CALLER: I was wondering if my mother-in-law was watching over us still.

EDWARD: OK, can we just hold that question in two seconds? Is there a father-in-law who has passed?

CALLER: Father-in-law's with us, no.

EDWARD: No. I've got a dad that's coming through. Where is the guy that passes that had the throat cancer or had problems to the throat?

CALLER: My grandpa.

EDWARD: OK. That man that had the problems with the throat wants your attention, OK?

CALLER: OK.

EDWARD: And I'm supposed to acknowledge that there's a connection to July in your family?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: OK. And I'm also -- some -- well, you just -- you just -- somebody just moved.

CALLER: I don't know.

EDWARD: Is that your -- is that on your mom's side of the family?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: OK, somebody there just moved. Just know that your grandfather did not care about your question, just so you know that, and as I started connecting with you, he wanted to be the first person to come through, and he wants me to acknowledge that either your name for somebody in his family, but he making me feel like there's a parallel between his family and you...

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: ... and to let you know that he is OK, and to let you know that the dog is with them on the other side. Because they've got a dog barking for me. So that's -- and he lets me know that there's a dog or a pet that's passed that (UNINTELLIGIBLE) let you know was there, OK?

CALLER: OK.

KING: What about the mother-in-law.

EDWARD: I'm not connecting with your mother-in-law, but to me, if this is possible for him to come through, it's just as possible for her to come through as well.

KING: Lexington, Kentucky. Hello.

CALLER: Yes, this is just so exciting and fascinating. I wanted to see if you could reach my mother.

EDWARD: Actually, I can't reach your mother, because I'm getting that energy again. I'm sorry, I'm not -- I can't. I'm getting this energy again. You said Barney was your cousin over there?

CALLER: No, I was going to see if you could reach my mother or my father.

EDWARD: No, I know, I'm -- but there's somebody in the studio who -- I made -- during the commercial break I was able to make a connection with, who is a cousin who is not leaving.

KING: So that prevents this person.

EDWARD: That prevents me from getting this because -- His mother's still here?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. KING: You're talking to someone in the studio, OK.

EDWARD: I'm talking to somebody in the studio.

KING: We're sorry, ma'am.

Let's see, hope the next connects.

Parma, Ohio, hello.

CALLER: Hi, I was wondering if you can reach my brother.

EDWARD: If I can get her cousin to stop talking to me, I'll do my best.

CALLER: OK.

KING: Shut up, cousin.

EDWARD: I can't. Sorry.

CALLER: Oh, OK. Thank you.

KING: Thank you.

EDWARD: Can you just put -- help -- can I just do that?

KING: All right. There's a lady, so you want to finish on her?

EDWARD: If I can just do that.

KING: Go ahead.

EDWARD: He wants me to acknowledge -- I don't know if Mom and Dad are separated?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

EDWARD: OK. It's very important that he gets a message across to both of them that he is OK. I don't know if his passing helped to push them further apart.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

EDWARD: OK. He's making me feel like he doesn't want them to feel like -- he doesn't want them to feel like it's his -- he doesn't want the blame. You know what I'm saying? And he doesn't want them to use -- he doesn't want them to use him as an excuse not to work on some of the things that they need to work on.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

EDWARD: You follow what I'm saying?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. EDWARD: And I don't know if you're closer to Dad than you are to Mom, but I feel like, as a parent, they both need to know that he is OK...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

EDWARD: ... and they both need to know that he sees what's happening in their lives. And I also feel like the separation that's happening between the two of them might not change, but the communication between both can change. OK?

There's got to be either a Nathaniel or a Nate or a Nat or an N name.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Other side of the family.

EDWARD: Is -- who is that?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That would be my great-uncle.

KING: OK.

EDWARD: OK.

KING: Your name is?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Elizabeth.

KING: Elizabeth. And you're a friend of our -- Patty, who does all our makeup.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I am.

KING: And he's been uncanny with you, right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, completely.

KING: Interfering.

I got to take a break. Do you want to say one more quick thing?

EDWARD: Well, you can take a break, but I'll keep talking.

KING: OK. We'll be right back with more of John Edward and your phone calls as soon as her cousin gets out of here. Don't go away.

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KING: Person here in the studio has left the studio so as not to interfere with the others.

John Edward, the host of "Crossing Over With John Edward" on TV, and also "Crossing Over" -- you can reach him with crossingoverwithjohnedward.com. Back to the calls -- Junction City, California. Hello.

CALLER: Good evening, gentlemen.

KING: Hi.

CALLER: John, I do have a question for you.

KING: Go ahead.

EDWARD: Sure.

CALLER: The people that you see, telepathy wise, and then -- and they're not -- crossing over, are they between the two worlds, like heaven and earth -- waiting for that time of judgment?

KING: Where are they?

EDWARD: You know that's a -- that's a great question, and you know in all the years -- it's been 18 that I've been a student of this field -- nobody has ever come through in that type of depiction for me.

Now the survey knows, you know, my background is being born and raised Catholic, so I understand the question and -- and -- and the ramifications of my answer, but I also want you to let -- you know -- that I don't get information in that -- in that vein.

More or less, when somebody's coming through, they're coming through in a, in a meeting way to let me know, like I'm here, I've survived physical death as a survival of consciousness and love, and I want to let my family know that I'm OK, because usually the last event that took them from us was a negative one, because it was their physical death, and that's usually how the information comes across. It's more out of love.

KING: They're not in a body sense.

EDWARD: They're -- right. Not in a physical body.

KING: Yes. Lakeview, Oregon, hello.

CALLER: Hello, John and Larry.

KING: Hi.

CALLER: I'm open to whoever wants to talk.

EDWARD: OK, I'm open to bringing through whoever wants to come through. Thank you.

The first thing I want to talk about is a female who has crossed that I would see as being somebody like a contemporary, so I don't know if you've had, like, a sister or a friend that's crossed, but this is a female that I would see as being a contemporary.

It doesn't have to be blood to you, it could be like a sister, Laura (ph), it could be your friend's sister, I don't know. But there's somebody who's gone for a while. Where does the Cathy (ph), Catherine (ph), C or K name come in?

CALLER: I have a best friend named Cathy.

EDWARD: OK, and she's still here, correct?

CALLER: Yes, she is.

EDWARD: OK, I think the female that I'm getting, I might be misinterpreting this, is connected to her, OK?

CALLER: OK.

EDWARD: And, there's also somebody that I feel like passes either that had liver cancer or somebody who had stomach cancer or cancer that effects the stomach area, from what they're showing me.

That comes up either for that family or for you, and they're making me feel like, I don't know, if you're getting ready to take a trip west, but there's a major pull to my left which takes me west, and they're showing me that, as well, and one last thing is that they're rocking a baby, so when I see a baby being rocked in this capacity it means that there was the loss of a child in the life so I want you to have the baby with them on the other side as well. All righty?

CALLER: OK, thank you very much.

EDWARD: Thank you very much.

KING: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, hello.

CALLER: Hi.

KING: Hi.

CALLER: Hi, I'm Vanessa (ph) and I wonder if you can connect to somebody.

EDWARD: I can try, Vanessa. I might not connect with who you're hoping to, but I'm going to bring through whatever that does come through, whatever that does come through. Is that OK?

CALLER: OK.

EDWARD: The first thing I'm going to tell you is -- and I'm getting this really simple again, I'm getting an older female who has crossed. So I don't know if you have a mom vibration who has passed, but I'm getting an older female who has crossed who I think had breast cancer, by the way.

CALLER: I'm not sure.

EDWARD: OK, well, try thinking again because this is where I'm going to be soft (ph) because I've got somebody who's passed from either breast cancer, or lung cancer, but the female figure that's connected here. Who has the unique J name that I'm not going to be able to pronounce?

CALLER: J? Well my name -- my mother's name is Jane.

EDWARD: Jane?

CALLER: Jane? Jane, yes.

EDWARD: I can pronounce that. Is there another version of the name, or is there another, like, unique name?

CALLER: Not that I can recall.

EDWARD: OK, I'm going to leave this with you. If, again, you can contact us here back, but the -- whatever's coming -- I don't know who you're hoping to connect with, but if -- obviously that's not what I'm getting.

I have an older female who passed from either breast or lung cancer; there's a unique J name which is not going to be Jane for me, and that's basically what's coming through.

KING: Thank you. Yorkshire, England. Hello.

CALLER: Hello. Good evening Mr. King, Mr. Edward.

EDWARD: How are you?

CALLER: And thank you and I just wondered if you could get in touch with my husband.

EDWARD: Did you have two of them?

CALLER: Pardon?

No, just one.

EDWARD: OK, well, I have two here. I have two here. I have one that's making me feel like they either had diverticulitis or somebody had some type of also stomach or digestive illness issues that they want me to bring up, so somebody that's cross-connected to you has had some stomach issues or illness on that -- along that level. And I'm also supposed to be talking about somebody who either passed at home, or they were in their own home or environment when they took ill. Do you understand this?

CALLER: Right, yes.

EDWARD: Was that him?

CALLER: That was -- yes, yes.

EDWARD: That's your husband?

CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: OK, now, is there a reason why he would claim that you would take him from his home, or you would take him -- like when you first met did you like steal him away from where he lived? Or did his family feel like you took him away from his family?

CALLER: No.

EDWARD: OK, well, that's what I'm seeing. So one of the things that I'm known for is not deviating from the message, so what I'm going to tell you again is that there is some type of reference that you did something -- maybe not in a negative way, but that life in a some capacity the two of you kind of moved away from an area or a place that he would be connected to.

KING: When she passes, will she be with him?

EDWARD: I believe so. I believe...

KING: All family's stay together?

EDWARD: Well, I believe -- not necessarily. I believe that when we cross, we connect -- we connect to where the bonds of love are the strongest.

KING: Huron, Tennessee, hello.

CALLER: Hello.

KING: Yes, go ahead.

CALLER: Hi. I lost my father in 2000 and my mother this past June. Can you feel anything, tell me anything?

EDWARD: Hold on one second, OK? Before I go to your mom and dad so -- let me just say right now, no -- I'm not going to connect with them immediately, but I want you to listen to this, OK?

CALLER: OK

EDWARD: There's something that's showing me that they've passed from a gunshot.

CALLER: Right.

EDWARD: You understand that?

CALLER: No.

EDWARD: OK, somebody's claiming that they crossed themselves over. Something that they did.

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: Caused how they passed. OK? And it does effect their head.

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: OK, is that not connected to one of them?

CALLER: My mother's brother-in-law.

EDWARD: OK, it's not connected to one of them. I want you to know that that person needed to get me that -- I needed to get that out first, OK?

I also need to acknowledge that your Dad -- there's either some type of issue of substance, where somebody was known for their drinking, or there's some type of alcohol connection that comes up around the family, you understand that?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: OK, now, they're showing me pink roses with thorns on it? When I see that, that means that in life there wasn't the ability to be able to communicate the message of love or to be able to communicate feelings back and forth, and I feel like I need to bring this across to you, OK, and I need you to understand that they are aware of what you tried to do, and that you were not able to always accomplish what it was that you wanted to do, OK?

And I also feel like there was an issue -- and I'm sorry to do this on television, there was an issue of anger and of disappointment that I feel like you were not able to live underneath -- you couldn't get out from underneath that, you know what I'm saying.

It's like nothing was ever good enough and you were not able to -- you were not able to accomplish in their eyes, you know, what you think they wanted you to see. Please understand that that's not a you thing, that's a them thing, OK, and that your mom recognized that before her passing. Your Dad did not, unfortunately.

And that those issues, that will linger for about 7, 8, 9 years for the opportunity to be able to put them to bed. Please know you don't have to wait. You can still deal with this stuff. If you have to, like, work with a counselor or write your mom and dad a letter just to get out what it is you're feeling. Do that, they will understand and they will hear you. OK?

CALLER: Yes, thank you.

EDWARD: You're very welcome.

KING: Thank you. Amazing. Crown Point, Indiana, hello.

CALLER: Hi, thank you for taking my phone call.

KING: Sure.

EDWARD: Go ahead.

CALLER: My father passed away two years ago, and its really hard for me to believe in an after life. I mean, I've been very religious person, but is there anything that you can tell me?

EDWARD: I don't -- actually, you know what, I don't think that you don't believe in an afterlife. If I can, I don't need to tell you what you believe but as I'm -- as I'm talking to you, what I think it is that you have a very, very strong belief system and I think that you're a person -- I think you're at the perfect place, to be honest.

I think you're at the place where you need validation and you need to know that your own experience to get what I could do, your own experiences are real and the first place I want to start is by talking about something that would have happened to you.

After one of your -- after one of your parents, or after one of the people in your life, there seem very significant passings that I think happen in a short period of time from what they're showing me, and I think that after one of them passed, you had your own experience that you just kind of played off and thought like oh, that's no big deal, that was a dream or the feeling that you had or whatever, and I don't -- I don't believe that's the case.

I believe that possibly the dream that you had or the experience you had was a direct connection from your own family in coming through. The other thing I want to talk about is the unique B name. Where is the B coming for you?

CALLER: A B?

EDWARD: Yes.

CALLER: I can't think of anything right now.

EDWARD: Well, directly connected to your mom's side of the family, where's the B name? Like Betty, like Beth or Bobby or the B connection again? Or Buddy? Just a short B name like Bud, Bill.

CALLER: No, nothing I'm -- no.

EDWARD: OK, I'm going to say yes and I'm going to leave that with you. I want you to be clear what I said as far as more importantly, remember what I said because you already had your own experience and what I want this to be is a validation of that for you.

KING: Thank you, we'll be back with more calls for John Edward.

The Osbournes are here Monday.

We'll repeat the Dan Rather interview that aired last night -- we'll repeat it on Sunday.

Don't go away.

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KING: We're back with John Edward. Cambridge, Massachusetts, hello.

CALLER: Hi, John. Hi, Larry. I was just wondering if you could talk to my mom and my grandmother?

EDWARD: Are they in the same family? Like mother and daughter?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: Yes, tell me that you're leaving out one.

CALLER: Yes, a lot of people.

EDWARD: Well, they're making me feel like they're coming through together in threes.

CALLER: My grandfather.

EDWARD: Like Mom's Dad too?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: Two of them must have passed close together? I need to know yes they are together -- is there a reason why they want me to show you candy canes?

CALLER: Candy canes?

EDWARD: Like does somebody have the name candy or is there some type of reference that somebody would be like a candy striper. or like they did something that I would see like red and white stripes around this?

It's not a Christmas message for me, it's a candy cane message, so I want to come up with that. I also want to talk about -- you have a son?

CALLER: No.

EDWARD: Who's the little boy?

CALLER: My brother? But she wouldn't know him. Different family.

EDWARD: They're telling me to acknowledge the little boy. Or the young boy. So to me -- was your brother born after your mom passed or...

CALLER: Well, step family, so I have a younger brother now that I didn't when she was around.

EDWARD: OK, yes, she tells me to acknowledge the little boy. She's also telling me to bring up that the 11th or the 12th of the month means something.

CALLER: OK

EDWARD: And she's also telling me to acknowledge that. Did she pass before her mom?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: Because she's claiming that she was there to grieve her mom and she's also making me feel like -- do you take care of her mom?

CALLER: Try to.

EDWARD: OK. I'm supposed to let you know that the stroke or whatever this cardiovascular thing that one of them dealt with kind of in -- it did enable them to be able to deal with the family a certain way, but they appreciate your efforts of what you did...

CALLER: Oh, because we didn't tell my grandfather that my mother had died because he was in the hospital at the time.

EDWARD: They -- they understand, OK, and I think that upon their passing obviously they are all together. I want you to know that they are aware of what you are trying to accomplish by bringing like two of your families together. And that it is not going to be an easy task because people are either spread out or you have two people that are just not talking for a while, so you'll get it together.

CALLER: My uncles don't speak.

EDWARD: You'll get it together, but it's going to take a while so just be patient. Thanks for calling.

KING: Belfast -- Belfast, Northern Ireland, hello.

CALLER: Hi, Larry. Hi, John. I was just wondering if you could connect me to any members of family.

EDWARD: You have a son who's passed or there's a younger male in your family who has crossed.

CALLER: Yes, younger male.

EDWARD: OK, that would -- that has to be either like I said your son, your nephew, your grandfather.

CALLER: Nephew.

EDWARD: OK, he's the first person that I'm getting. He wants me to acknowledge that either Charles or that there's a C -- C name that's connected to that family as well. And he's also -- your mom's passed?

CALLER: My mom passed, yes.

EDWARD: Because he's claiming that he's got -- he's got your mom with him. I'm going to say something and I hope I don't offend you with, but in life your mom might have been a very difficult lady to work with, because he's making me feel like she's not like she was when she was here so I think that she might have been a little stern, a little difficult, a little hard to deal with. Not as openly loving as maybe sometimes you would like. Or maybe she was just this way with you but I want you to know that she's not that way any longer. I also feel like -- I don't know if you just had some type of minor surgery but they're telling me to acknowledge that somebody in the family just had a procedure, a minor thing, done and that they're aware that you had to do this, OK? And they were with the person while this was taking place.

Separately from your nephew and your mom, I also have somebody to your side who has crossed. That to me would be like your husband -- no -- it's like your husband, it's your brother, it's the male figure to your side that they want me to bring up, do you understand?

CALLER: My brother.

EDWARD: OK. He had to be a very loud individual in life because he's making me feel like he's got this very big personality, OK? He's coming across in a big, big way. And I'm supposed to tell you that there's a hand signal or gesture of some sort that one of these people had in life that when they talked they maybe they did this, I don't know what this is, but...

CALLER: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

EDWARD: I'm sorry?

CALLER: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

EDWARD: Boxing?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: No, I think it's fighting, I think it's a one hand gesture thing that they would do and I feel like it's their thing and I'm supposed to do that for you or acknowledge that to you so you know that it's them and they're telling me to ask you how your ear is.

CALLER: Fine.

EDWARD: Your ear. It's fine.

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: They're making me feel like it's not, so I'm just going to tell you to check it. Exactly.

KING: Now you said her mother changed. You can change after you pass?

EDWARD: I do believe that you can transition. And one of the -- one of the major things that I'm working on now is talking about -- you know -- in the next book that I'm working on is that relationships that you don't get a chance to fix like while you're here I do believe that you can work on after somebody has passed.

KING: Really?

EDWARD: I do, I really believe that.

KING: Springfield, Missouri, hello.

CALLER: Yes, my mother passed away about five years ago and I want -- can I know why she was taken so suddenly?

EDWARD: That's a hard question to just answer, but I can -- I can try. It's a hard question to answer only because it's a philosophy I've developed in the years of doing this. I believe that people pass when they are ready to pass.

I believe it's part of -- even if it's part of an event that causes their passing. I know that's a hard one to swallow but I do even believe in cases like that that it is the soul's time and the soul is done learning the lessons that it needed to learn while it was here and that's the reason why, and sometime someone's passing here in this world has a great effect in changes and lessons that people that are living still have to deal with and causes an enormous amount of growth and advancement to what their soul here needs to work on.

I mean, I would not be sitting here with you right now if my mother didn't pass when I was 19 years old. I would not be doing this. I would be in a hospital probably doing surgery, either as a surgeon or a surgical assistant or as a vet, that's where I would be; I would not be doing this.

KING: We'll take a break and be back with our remaining moments with John Edward you can reach him at crossingoverwithjohnedward.com -- read his books, he's everywhere, don't go away.

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KING: Oslo, Norway -- they're everywhere tonight for John Edward, go ahead, hello.

CALLER: Good evening, gentlemen. Please why did my baby leave so soon?

EDWARD: You lost a child?

CALLER: Yes, I lost a baby. And I just cannot get over it.

EDWARD: Well, you know, one of the things in the years of doing this I have to say I don't think there's any greater loss than the loss of a child and being a new father myself I -- I have a very difficult time when I actually have to now bring through messages for parents who have lost child -- lost a child or lost children.

I wish I could tell you the exact reason as to why, but as I just said before the break, I think that we all have to deal with certain lessons and unfortunately sometimes the lessons that we have to deal with are -- are lessons of loss and those lessons teach us about life and death and also how we deal with those lessons, how we deal with those losses.

Sometimes we can inspire other people and we can learn from it. It doesn't make it better but I hope that in watching this or learning about it that for me myself and others you open the doorway you walk through to know that your loved ones are still with you.

KING: Brunswick, Ohio, hello.

CALLER: Hi, Mr. Edward.

I don't know, I don't have any particular question, I don't want to take up too much of the time that way but I wondered if you could kind of pick up on something that neither one of my parents are around I come from a very large family so maybe you've got some insight.

EDWARD: Well, I can actually provide you with some insight but I don't think it's going to be to your family. I don't know if you were just helping somebody deal with their dad being ill?

Or you were helping somebody cope with the loss of a father figure or an older male, but I'm being -- first of all I'm supposed to tell you that somebody had either Alzheimer's or some body had some type of issue that effected their head prior to their passing that would kind of make me see them as being like either having Alzheimer's, being either like senile or having something like that but I'm not getting it to your family I'm getting it through the person you were working with or helping so that means it was somebody that's like you're connected to. Where are you calling from, Ohio?

CALLER: Brunswick, Ohio.

EDWARD: What are your ties to North Carolina?

CALLER: I'm sorry?

EDWARD: What's your tie to like the Carolinas?

CALLER: Nothing.

EDWARD: Well I might not be with you.

CALLER: Nothing at all.

EDWARD: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm definitely not with you. Can you find out if we have a caller on hold from North Carolina?

KING: No we don't. Or maybe they do, they haven't given me. Harvey, Louisiana, hello.

CALLER: Hi, John, I'd like to see if you can contact anyone in my family.

EDWARD: OK, what's your first name?

CALLER: Barbara (ph).

EDWARD: How are you doing, Barbara. First thing I'm going to tell you is that I'm getting the feeling of an older female. That to me would be either your aunt, your grandmother or there's an older female that has crossed.

They're also making me feel like there's a tie to the month of October. I don't know if there's a birthday or anniversary on the tenth of a month, or if it's the 10th month of October that I'm supposed to be bringing up, but connected to that family there is also a younger female who has crossed so someday either lost their sister, somebody lost their daughter so there's a younger female who lost who would be below them, OK, so you got to think like it's a grandmother who's coming through, she lost her daughter or a younger sister, it could be below you but it's below her from what they're showing me but that's pretty much what's coming through. What's the big issue in October?

CALLER: My mother passed away in October.

EDWARD: OK, well, then the older female would be above her and they're tying that to October. It's just their way of letting me know that they are connected to you.

They're also making me feel like your mom has to have a connection to the 16th of some month, so I don't know if like the 16th of August is their birthday or anniversary, but there's a 16 connection that comes up, not directly to your mom per se but it's to her side of the family and I'm supposed to tell you that either her father is with her or her older brother is with her. OK, but please know that they are together and they are OK.

KING: Thank you Phoenix, Arizona hello.

CALLER: Hello, John.

EDWARD: How are you?

CALLER: I'm trying to find out about my husband. I can't hear you.

EDWARD: OK, I'm sorry. I don't know, I don't know if I'll be able to connect with your husband. Did he just pass?

CALLER: Couple of years ago.

EDWARD: No, did somebody else just pass?

CALLER: No.

EDWARD: Are you sure?

CALLER: I'm positive.

EDWARD: Well, let me just say this, OK? I'm being told, and it is not for somebody else, I'm being told that it is for you, that somebody else passed right after your husband.

So after he passed, connected to you or his family, somebody else passed and I'm supposed to let you know that they would be I guess together and I'm also supposed to let you know did he pass right around the holiday or right around his own birthday?

CALLER: It was a holiday, July 4th.

EDWARD: Yes, I'm supposed to let you know that there's somebody else that passed after him that I'm needing to let you know that he would be with and I'm also supposed to let you know that either you have a different name than what you said your name was or I'm supposed to bring up the other name that he would have called you by and I'm also -- did he have a heart problem who passed very fast?

CALLER: He had a heart attack.

EDWARD: Yes, OK. Please know that your husband is fine; he does make me feel like -- do you talk to his picture in the kitchen?

CALLER: I'm sorry?

EDWARD: Do you speak to his picture in like a kitchen?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: Yes, he hears you, but you've got to stop telling him like why did he leave you.

CALLER: OK.

EDWARD: You know what I'm saying? When nobody else is around, you're crying to him and saying why did you leave me.

CALLER: I do but I don't blame him at the same time.

EDWARD: I know that, I know you don't blame him, but I want you to know that he hears you, so what you need to let him know is that you're upset that he's gone but you need to know that he's still connected to you.

KING: Try to be specific, will you? Do you get warn out from doing this?

EDWARD: Oh, you bet.

KING: You go home and you got to get rest.

EDWARD: I like to, I like to try to but you know this -- you have to -- it takes a lot of energy to do this. It takes a lot of energy to do this here; this is like marathon reading.

But it is a lot of energy because you're basically; it's like being micro waved, you have all this energy coming through you and hopefully you're going to get it right.

KING: Always great having you with us, John.

John Edward, the renowned psychic. "Crossing Over With John Edward" now in its second TV season. You could also reach him at his crossingoverwithjohnedward.com and he has a new book coming this fall. We'll be back to tell you about tomorrow night right after this.

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LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight, psychic John Edward. He says he can talk to your dear departed loved ones, and all he has to do is hear your voice. He is here for the hour with your phone calls. Do you believe?
John Edward, next on "LARRY KING LIVE."

Good idea to start calling in early. We'll get to a lot of calls tonight.

It's always a great pleasure to welcome John Edward to this podium. He is renowned as a psychic medium and host and executive producer of "Crossing Over With John Edward," now in its second nationally syndicated season.

He's a "New York Times" best-selling author. The most recent book, "Crossing Over: The Stories Behind the Stories," is available in paperback. He's got a new book coming this fall called "Afterlife: Answers From the Other Side." That's just going to be a continuation of the previous book?

JOHN EDWARD, HOST, "CROSSING OVER": Actually, it's going to be more in the vein of my first book, "One Last Time." One of the things that I got, as far as negative response, from people that read "Crossing Over," this book, was that they wanted more readings. They wanted to hear more about my experiences with my clients, and what lessons did I get from it.

And I talked a lot about the TV show in "Crossing Over," in the second book, which I thought I needed to, just to document, like, my past spiritually. But I'm going back to, like, the style of the first book, where I'm talking more about what, you know, I've learned as a medium and what my clients have gotten out of their experiences.

KING: Are there a lot of mediums?

EDWARD: Sure there are. I think there are a lot of mediums around the world that do this work, because...

KING: Have you met others?

EDWARD: Sure, I know a lot of people.

KING: Do you compare notes? EDWARD: Do you compare notes? I don't usually compare notes, but I think you compare experiences. And one of the fun things that I had the privilege of doing was working with the woman by the name of Shelly Peck (ph), who unfortunately is no longer with us. And she and I had a very similar style in the sense of that a lot of our symbolism was almost identical.

And when I would get something that would be, like, a weird thing in a session, I would call her up and be, like, I had the strangest thing happen tonight, and some of the phone conversations would last for hours.

KING: Have you communicated with her?

EDWARD: Not in the way that I would like to.

KING: What do you mean?

EDWARD: You know, I think, you know, I -- even though I am a medium, and, you know, I'm a person first, and I -- this is somebody that I knew half my life, and she was a really, really good friend to me. So I think that I, in some respects, even though it's probably -- you know, it's been a while now -- I'm still going through my own type of unpacking my own emotional connections to her as a person. And when it's the right time, she'll let me know she's around.

KING: But you can connect to all of our listeners who are emotionally...

EDWARD: Absolutely.

KING: ... viewers who are emotionally connected to those people.

EDWARD: But I'm not friendly -- I'm not good friends, and I didn't have a relationship of my own.

KING: So you couldn't connect with your own grandfather.

EDWARD: I could. But usually it would happen in a different way. See, when you're working with somebody that you don't know, you can be completely objective. And you can just kind of say, you know, Here you go, this is what I'm seeing, hearing, and feeling.

As soon as you start getting information that you can identify and you know, then you have to stop and say, Well, I know that. You know, so you can't be as objective and become subjective.

KING: Couple of other things, John. And we'll take a lot of calls tonight, so keep them coming in. What if you tune in to a guy who's -- touch (UNINTELLIGIBLE) -- I want to talk to my uncle, and the guy in the dead world says to you, I didn't like him then, and I don't like him now. Would you tell him that?

EDWARD: Yes. It's not (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

KING: Because I've never heard... EDWARD: It doesn't...

KING: It can't be everybody likes everybody.

EDWARD: It doesn't normally happen. It's usually the opposite. It's more like the person calls in, and they really want to talk to their mother, and they're desperately hoping to talk to their mother, and I connect with a female figure above them who's not their mother, but their mother-in-law. And odds are you didn't like her when she was alive, you're not going to be liking the fact that she's coming to you right now.

KING: How about famous people? You ever talk to Babe Ruth? Babe Ruth.

EDWARD: No. I've never spoken to Babe Ruth.

KING: But would you need Babe Ruth's granddaughter to communicate?

EDWARD: Absolutely.

KING: Why?

EDWARD: Because you need that link. You need to have a link to that person.

You know, very recently, when Elvis had his, like, number-one song on the radio, this, you know, this past summer, they, like, they retooled that song, and it was, like, all over the place? I was getting bombarded by radio stations all around the world wanting to know if I would come on their station so that they can have an exclusive. And I said, An exclusive with what? And they're, like, Well, with Elvis, so we can get his opinion on what he thinks about...

KING: But if Lisa Marie were here, you could communicate with Elvis, maybe?

EDWARD: It depends. You know, you could have five of his relatives here, it doesn't mean he's going to come through.

KING: Now, John, the obvious. I mean, it's so easy to be skeptical and to knock this, although many nights you've proven uncanny here. What are you doing?

EDWARD: What am I doing?

KING: Where -- yes, where are they?

EDWARD: They're around -- the people that are calling in, they're around us. The people who have gone over, they are still connected to us by love and experience. And when they come through, what they're doing is, they're validating their connection still to us to let us know that there's something else beyond the physical world and that we are still connected. And to me, there's only a few reasons as to why somebody would want to seek out a medium or would want to know that this is real, and very simply, they want to know their loved ones are with them, that they're OK, that they're still a part of their lives, that they see what's happened in their lives since they've crossed.

And then that, to me, is the foundation upon which every kind of session would begin or start.

KING: You're playing to an affirmative, though. We all want to live forever, and we'd like to know that when we die, it ain't the end.

EDWARD: Right.

KING: And you're telling us it ain't. So you have a natural step up.

EDWARD: I don't think so. You know, I think that...

KING: No?

EDWARD: ... when you get -- I don't think so. I'll tell you why. I think when you're dealing with the subject matter, you're dealing with people's emotions and their issues. And when you're dealing with emotional issues like loss, people -- you know, it takes a time to go through that journey of grief.

And I say this all of the time on "Crossing Over." If you've lost a loved one, please do not run out looking for a medium. You need to deal with your grief, you need to honor that journey, you need to seek, you know, seek out counseling, you need to work through that process. (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

KING: Yes, but isn't it comforting to know that they're there somewhere?

EDWARD: When it's the right time. When you...

KING: You're proving religion correct, aren't you?

EDWARD: When it's the right time. Otherwise, all you're doing -- If somebody's not in the right place emotionally, I do not advocate them going for a session or trying to -- or find a medium, because if they're not dealing with somebody who is going to help validate their experience, or is not dealing with somebody who is legitimate and cares about the process, then what's going to happen is, they can actually -- you know, they'll hear stuff that's going to make them feel good, but that's not what this is about.

KING: Could you hope -- could you help the relative of a murdered person find the killer?

EDWARD: I probably could help the relative of a murdered person deal with the loss of that loved one with the information that comes through, but I do not like working with pointing the finger of blame, because there's such an interpretational element (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

KING: Who would know better than the person that got killed, who killed them?

EDWARD: Well, they sure would, right? But that's got to come through me, and what if I misinterpret it? I would not -- and I misinterpret all the time, so I would not want the responsibility.

KING: Yes. By misinterpret means -- what happens when you misinterpret?

EDWARD: When I misinterpret, it means that I'm seeing something or I'm feeling something or I'm getting their energy, and I'm trying to deliver it to, you know, the person that, you know, I'm reading you, I'm going to deliver to you the information, well, if I say, you know, that there's a S-N name that's connected to you, and I say you -- you know, it's Stephen, well, you're going to say, No, doesn't make sense, but there's a Sean that's connected to you. So that's a misinterpretation.

And I had that experience, where somebody came to me for a reading where there was somebody that was missing, and the information that I got was extremely accurate, and they pretty much gave me the information as to who the person was that did it. And the woman had lost somebody who had the same exact name, and she just assumed that her child was with, you know, the cousin who had passed.

But all the information pointed to the girl's boyfriend. And you did not have to ask anybody, me or anybody listening to what came through. You would have thought that the boyfriend did it, and it wasn't the boyfriend.

KING: Do you like what you have?

LEWIS: It depends upon the day, to be honest.

KING: There are days you don't like it.

EDWARD: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) -- absolutely. I love the ability to be able to reunite people, and to see that. It's very, very rewarding, and it's a gift. That, to me, is -- that completion of the circle is the gift.

And then there are times where it's just, like, you know, it gets old. You know, either the potshots that people take -- My personal thing is when people try to define your motivation as to why you would do something like this.

KING: They think you're shallow.

EDWARD: Yes. Well, not even that, but when they try to define your motivation as to why you do that, as if they know me, or as if they know where I'm coming from or what brought me to this point, you know?

KING: Let me get a quick break. And when we come back, we'll go to your phone calls for John Edward, the host of "Crossing Over With John Edward," now in its second season in national syndication.

By the way, the Osbournes -- you could communicate with them -- the Osbournes will be here in their first-ever live, prime-time interview Monday night. Get your tape recorders going.

We'll be right back.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "CROSSING OVER WITH JOHN EDWARD")

EDWARD: Do you know the song, "You Were Always in My Heart"?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God. "Always in My Heart."

EDWARD: What does that mean?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was said on his grave site, "Always in My Heart."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Those exact words.

EDWARD: OK. Because I was listening to that song this morning in my car, because it was a song that reminded me of my grandmother and my grandfather. And I looked at that, and I'm thinking, Why am I listening to that today? Now I know why.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: We're going to go to calls for John Edward.

By the way, you can contact him at crossingoverwithjohnedward.com on the Internet.

We go to Milwaukee for John. Hello?

CALLER: Hello, John.

EDWARD: Hi, how are you?

CALLER: Oh, I'm great. This is so great to talk to you, because...

EDWARD: Thank you.

CALLER: ... what I do in the evening is, I put your show on, and for some reason it's so calm and peaceful. I get something out of it, something spiritual...

EDWARD: Thank you. I appreciate that.

CALLER: ... when I watch you.

Can you -- I don't know what to ask you. Can you tell me anything? EDWARD: Well, let me just tell you, for anybody that's watching or that's listening, that, you know, that's going to have this experience from me, what happens is, whatever I'm seeing, hearing, and feeling I'm going to share with you. I don't communicate with them in the way that I'm speaking with you right now. But whatever it is that I'm getting, I'll pass on to you.

And I know that you're calling and hoping that I can connect with you, but always -- people always want to know that one person might be...

KING: She didn't ask about any...

EDWARD: She didn't ask about any specific person...

KING: ... specific person.

EDWARD: ... but there's always that kind of hope I might connect with that one person. So all I have to say is, please listen to what I'm saying. I might not connect with who you're hoping, but if somebody has passed, if you can, just acknowledge it.

What's your first name?

CALLER: Elaine.

EDWARD: Elaine, the first thing I'm going to tell you is, either your mom has passed, but I have an older female who I feel like is connected around you, OK?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: And I feel like I need to acknowledge that either there's some type of connection to the month of February or the second of a month, which to me means that there's either a birthday or an anniversary in the month of February, or something took place in the second of the a month. That's what they're showing me, OK?

I'm also going to tell you that -- is your dad passed too?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: OK. And you had two dads? Either you have two father figures, or there's an uncle or a father-in-law who's also passed. It's the one that had the cancer that affected the lungs. Because there's somebody that's with the older female that had the cancer that affects the lungs.

CALLER: That was my mother.

EDWARD: OK, well, they're telling me to acknowledge that your mom's got two men that are hanging out with her, which means she's got your dad with her -- Larry just popped a suspender -- she's got your dad with her, and there's another man that she's hanging out with her who might be the father-in-law.

KING: Even after life they fool around. Can't get away from it, man. It's as old as the hills.

EDWARD: Is there something -- is there -- Elaine, is there some type of reference as to why your mom wants me to talk about either her sewing, her needlepoint, or your sewing or needlepoint, or something that's connected to the both of you?

CALLER: That I don't know. I don't...

EDWARD: OK. To me, it's not crochet, it's not knitting. It's like an -- it's (UNINTELLIGIBLE) -- it's got to be, like, sewing, or a needle thing. I'm sewing something. So, like, if you tell me that right now as we're talking, you're doing this, and that's (UNINTELLIGIBLE) way of saying, I see what you're doing.

But she wants me to bring up this. OK? Just know that they see this as their way of coming through. And I don't know if you were in a different state or place when she- -- your mom passed, but I need you to know that they're aware that that -- you know, it's OK.

KING: Thank you, dear. Thanks for calling.

San Juan Islands, Washington. Hello?

CALLER: Hello. Hi, John. Hi, Larry.

KING: Hi.

CALLER: I'm wanting to know if you feel the presence of my father, who passed away almost four years ago.

EDWARD: I don't know if I'm connecting with your dad, but this is the first thing that's hitting me. Sometimes they give me, like, really, really weird things, and it's weird, and I just say it. There has to be a reference to somebody connected to your family who is known for doing animated voices, or somebody who, for some reason, they'd want me to talk about, like, imitating, like, Donald Duck or somebody who did some type of unique voice connected to the family. Who did that?

CALLER: My sister does weird voices, but dad used to whistle a lot.

EDWARD: Unless he whistled like Donald Duck, I don't think that's it.

CALLER: No, but he really liked Huey, Dewey, and Louie.

EDWARD: Well, that's -- this is where I'm going. They want me to acknowledge that there's a connection to Donald Duck...

CALLER: OK.

EDWARD: ... with this man. But I need to talk about the voices being done. I'm also supposed to talk...

KING: Where did that come from? EDWARD: I'm always supposed to talk about somebody -- and this is an -- you got a weird family, I'm sorry. But there's somebody who either gagged on a spoon, or somebody was choking on a fork, or somebody stuck something too far in the back of their throat. And they want me to bring this up for some reason. I don't know who this is. But they're telling me to bring up the J or G name connected to your family. Where...

CALLER: J or G?

EDWARD: Like, somebody's name's, like, John or Jim, it's, like, a short J name.

CALLER: No, I don't -- I can't think of anything.

EDWARD: Yes, you can. It's younger than you, and it's going to be somebody like, you know, the nephew, the grandson, the younger brother. It's the younger male that they would refer to.

CALLER: Well, my nephew just went into convulsions a couple of weeks ago.

EDWARD: And what's the J or G connection to him?

CALLER: Well, his name is not J or G, it's Sky.

EDWARD: OK. Well, there's a J or G connection around this. But I have to tell you, maybe the convulsions was, you know, showing me, like, an epileptic thing, like, you know, putting something on their tongue, I don't know, but that's the reference that they're coming through with. I don't know if it's coming from your dad, though, to be honest. I'm not getting a reference to your dad. But as soon as you started talking, that's what came through.

CALLER: OK.

KING: All right. Thank you.

EDWARD: thank you.

KING: Bethel, Connecticut, for John Edward. Hello.

CALLER: Hi, John.

EDWARD: Hey, how are you doing?

CALLER: Good. I just have a question for you. My mom passed away about a month ago, and she was on life support for over a week. And I just want to know if she heard all the things that I said to her.

EDWARD: Well, let me tell you this. Before you even started to speak, when he was saying -- announcing where you were calling from, the first thing I wanted to talk about was a Catholic priest. So I don't know if you guys have a Catholic background.

CALLER: Well, my mom does, but I'm Lutheran.

EDWARD: OK. I -- OK, but I want to talk about a Catholic priest, because the first thing I want to let you know is, somewhere in your family there has to be a priest that has passed, because I have to tell you that there was somebody that met her that would have been Catholic, of a -- they worked of the cloth.

Now, is there somebody there who had, like, the -- like -- did she have bands on both her legs? Were her legs wrapped?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: OK. I want you to know that yes, she did hear what was going on. And she wants me to talk about May. What happened in May?

There had to be some type of either hospitalization, or she was -- had a procedure, or something happened in the fifth month, because she's telling me to go back to May. She's also talking about the baby of the family. Are you her baby.

CALLER: No, my brother is, I'm the middle child.

EDWARD: I want to talk about the baby of the family. It's very important that you let him know that she came through. What -- and is he the guy in the uniform, or is that dad? Where is the uniform guy?

CALLER: Well, my husband's a volunteer firefighter...

EDWARD: OK.

CALLER: ... so he wears the uniform.

EDWARD: Did he help take care of her, or was he -- was he...

CALLER: Yes, he was very close to her.

EDWARD: I want you to thank him for being patient, and also for keeping her dignity. He helped her in ways that might have been difficult for her to know that somebody like her son-in-law was helping her. Just know that it's appreciated.

Is Mary connected directly to your mom?

CALLER: Mary? Yes, that was her roommate in the nursing home.

EDWARD: OK. Please know that your mom is OK. And she wants to know if you're going to actually replace the china, or if you're going to replace the glasses.

CALLER: Glasses, I don't have any china or glasses.

EDWARD: Well, she's asking me. I'm just supposed to tell you as I'm getting it. Are you going to replace the broken glasses, or the thing that's broken, the broken china or the broken glasses? Again, it's her way of letting you know she sees what's happening around you.

Thank you.

KING: Thank you, dear.

Boston, Massachusetts. Hello?

CALLER: Hi, John and Larry?

KING: Yes. Go ahead.

CALLER: Hi. Thank you for taking my call.

KING: Sure.

CALLER: I recently lost someone very close to me...

EDWARD: Let me just -- wait, stop right there. What's your first name?

CALLER: Bella.

EDWARD: How are you doing, Bella? I might not connect with who you want me to connect with. So I want you to listen, and if someone makes sense, you can say yes to it. If not, I'll probably not going to be able to connect with you.

I'm supposed to acknowledge a younger male that has crossed. So to me, I don't know if there is a younger male, like a younger brother for you, or if somebody around you lost their son or a younger male. But there's a younger energy that's coming through, that I have to tell you...

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: ... I'm getting, that passes in event, which to me means something happened that causes their passing. It's not a health-care- related issue. Do you understand this?

CALLER: I'm not sure.

EDWARD: OK, well, let me say this again. Is there a younger male that has passed connected to you?

CALLER: My mother's younger brother.

EDWARD: That's not a younger male to you. That would be...

CALLER: No.

EDWARD: ... that would be older than you. Somebody connected, from what I'm getting, passes in what I would see as being an event. Whether this is being vehicle related, or somebody had an impact of some sort, but it's a younger male connection, and they're telling me to acknowledge that this would be, like, somebody's younger male, like their son, like their nephew, like their younger brother.

CALLER: I'm not sure. EDWARD: OK, then I'm not going to be able to connect with you, because that's what's coming through, and it's going to be for somebody else that we're going to.

KING: Yes, when that happens, what does that tell you?

EDWARD: It means that I'm not connecting with them, and it's going to be for somebody else that we're going to, or somebody who's here.

KING: Grosse Point, Michigan.

Somebody in the studio?

EDWARD: Absolutely.

KING: Grosse Point, Michigan. Hello.

CALLER: Hello, John. I wondered if you could tell me anything about my mother or my father.

EDWARD: Let me just say this. You're not adopted, are you?

CALLER: No, I'm not.

EDWARD: OK. There has to be somebody that was raised by somebody else in your family, or somebody was raised by, like, their grandmother or their aunt, because I'm getting the feeling of, like, another person raising them. Can you explain that?

CALLER: Yes, my sister was raised by my aunt.

EDWARD: OK. And your mom...

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: ... had -- she had the neurological thing going on?

CALLER: She died when I was a baby. She died of a heart attack in her sleep.

EDWARD: OK, she's telling me to acknowledge somebody with, like, a neurological thing, like, somebody having, like, M.D., or M.S., or there's some type of Parkinson's. There's a feeling of some type of, neuromuscular, neurological thing in the family. I'm not getting father, I'm getting it from the older female. And the aunt that raised her sister, she's also passed?

CALLER: No, she's alive.

EDWARD: Your mom wants me to acknowledge that aunt. So if she's still here, I'm very happy to report that then. But it's the way of meet -- no, that's not it. Your aunt must have lost her husband, or your aunt must have lost somebody that's directly connected to her, because...

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: ... your mom is telling me to acknowledge that person's being there. And they're telling me to bring up either Robert, or Ronnie, or the R name that's connected to that family or your family. There's an R connection here. But they're bringing this up as well, and they're telling me to also acknowledge again that somebody had either a neurological disorder or something that would be, like, neuromuscular or something along those lines.

CALLER: OK.

EDWARD: All rightie?

KING: Thank you.

We'll be back with more calls for John Edward. Don't go away.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: In my role as a seasoned reporter, I must tell you that John almost totally accurately read a young lady in the studio here, who could have been someone, when you were talking to someone else, you were picking up her.

EDWARD: Right, that last (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

KING: So the question is, why don't you get a lot of jambelled things?

EDWARD: Oh, trust me, I do. It's just a matter of trying to -- hopefully that they're going to -- One -- part of my meditation, just so everybody knows this, is me asking them to be, like, polite and not to interrupt, and only come through when I'm talking to their family members, because in order for me to show people that this is real, and show legitimacy to it, it would only help if I'm talking to the family members of the people calling in on the show.

KING: What do dead people do all day?

EDWARD: What do they do all day? That's a really good question.

KING: That's why I asked it.

EDWARD: I don't think that they have an "all day," because we measure time in our world. I don't know if they really have any concept of time.

KING: Just thought I'd ask.

Land 'o Lakes, Wisconsin. Hello.

CALLER: Oh, hello, Larry, hi, John.

KING: Hi.

EDWARD: How are you? CALLER: This is so awesome to talk to you.

EDWARD: Thank you.

Don't say anything. Let me just go. What's your first name?

CALLER: Betsy.

EDWARD: Betsy, I don't know if your dad's passed, but I got an older male that's coming through, trying to let me know that he's here. And he's telling me to acknowledge that either you have the husband or brother who's passed, or there is a contemporary to you that I would see as passed as well. Do you understand this?

CALLER: Not really, no.

EDWARD: OK, let me do it again. Is there an older male connected to you, like your father, who passed?

CALLER: No, my dad's here.

EDWARD: OK, there's got to be a father-in-law or somebody who's crossed.

KING: Well, she -- you have a question for John? Betsy?

CALLER: Actually, yes, I was wondering if...

KING: What were you going to ask?

CALLER: Pardon?

KING: Go ahead.

CALLER: I was wondering if my mother-in-law was watching over us still.

EDWARD: OK, can we just hold that question in two seconds? Is there a father-in-law who has passed?

CALLER: Father-in-law's with us, no.

EDWARD: No. I've got a dad that's coming through. Where is the guy that passes that had the throat cancer or had problems to the throat?

CALLER: My grandpa.

EDWARD: OK. That man that had the problems with the throat wants your attention, OK?

CALLER: OK.

EDWARD: And I'm supposed to acknowledge that there's a connection to July in your family?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: OK. And I'm also -- some -- well, you just -- you just -- somebody just moved.

CALLER: I don't know.

EDWARD: Is that your -- is that on your mom's side of the family?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: OK, somebody there just moved. Just know that your grandfather did not care about your question, just so you know that, and as I started connecting with you, he wanted to be the first person to come through, and he wants me to acknowledge that either your name for somebody in his family, but he making me feel like there's a parallel between his family and you...

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: ... and to let you know that he is OK, and to let you know that the dog is with them on the other side. Because they've got a dog barking for me. So that's -- and he lets me know that there's a dog or a pet that's passed that (UNINTELLIGIBLE) let you know was there, OK?

CALLER: OK.

KING: What about the mother-in-law.

EDWARD: I'm not connecting with your mother-in-law, but to me, if this is possible for him to come through, it's just as possible for her to come through as well.

KING: Lexington, Kentucky. Hello.

CALLER: Yes, this is just so exciting and fascinating. I wanted to see if you could reach my mother.

EDWARD: Actually, I can't reach your mother, because I'm getting that energy again. I'm sorry, I'm not -- I can't. I'm getting this energy again. You said Barney was your cousin over there?

CALLER: No, I was going to see if you could reach my mother or my father.

EDWARD: No, I know, I'm -- but there's somebody in the studio who -- I made -- during the commercial break I was able to make a connection with, who is a cousin who is not leaving.

KING: So that prevents this person.

EDWARD: That prevents me from getting this because -- His mother's still here?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. KING: You're talking to someone in the studio, OK.

EDWARD: I'm talking to somebody in the studio.

KING: We're sorry, ma'am.

Let's see, hope the next connects.

Parma, Ohio, hello.

CALLER: Hi, I was wondering if you can reach my brother.

EDWARD: If I can get her cousin to stop talking to me, I'll do my best.

CALLER: OK.

KING: Shut up, cousin.

EDWARD: I can't. Sorry.

CALLER: Oh, OK. Thank you.

KING: Thank you.

EDWARD: Can you just put -- help -- can I just do that?

KING: All right. There's a lady, so you want to finish on her?

EDWARD: If I can just do that.

KING: Go ahead.

EDWARD: He wants me to acknowledge -- I don't know if Mom and Dad are separated?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

EDWARD: OK. It's very important that he gets a message across to both of them that he is OK. I don't know if his passing helped to push them further apart.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

EDWARD: OK. He's making me feel like he doesn't want them to feel like -- he doesn't want them to feel like it's his -- he doesn't want the blame. You know what I'm saying? And he doesn't want them to use -- he doesn't want them to use him as an excuse not to work on some of the things that they need to work on.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

EDWARD: You follow what I'm saying?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. EDWARD: And I don't know if you're closer to Dad than you are to Mom, but I feel like, as a parent, they both need to know that he is OK...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

EDWARD: ... and they both need to know that he sees what's happening in their lives. And I also feel like the separation that's happening between the two of them might not change, but the communication between both can change. OK?

There's got to be either a Nathaniel or a Nate or a Nat or an N name.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Other side of the family.

EDWARD: Is -- who is that?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That would be my great-uncle.

KING: OK.

EDWARD: OK.

KING: Your name is?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Elizabeth.

KING: Elizabeth. And you're a friend of our -- Patty, who does all our makeup.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I am.

KING: And he's been uncanny with you, right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, completely.

KING: Interfering.

I got to take a break. Do you want to say one more quick thing?

EDWARD: Well, you can take a break, but I'll keep talking.

KING: OK. We'll be right back with more of John Edward and your phone calls as soon as her cousin gets out of here. Don't go away.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: Person here in the studio has left the studio so as not to interfere with the others.

John Edward, the host of "Crossing Over With John Edward" on TV, and also "Crossing Over" -- you can reach him with crossingoverwithjohnedward.com. Back to the calls -- Junction City, California. Hello.

CALLER: Good evening, gentlemen.

KING: Hi.

CALLER: John, I do have a question for you.

KING: Go ahead.

EDWARD: Sure.

CALLER: The people that you see, telepathy wise, and then -- and they're not -- crossing over, are they between the two worlds, like heaven and earth -- waiting for that time of judgment?

KING: Where are they?

EDWARD: You know that's a -- that's a great question, and you know in all the years -- it's been 18 that I've been a student of this field -- nobody has ever come through in that type of depiction for me.

Now the survey knows, you know, my background is being born and raised Catholic, so I understand the question and -- and -- and the ramifications of my answer, but I also want you to let -- you know -- that I don't get information in that -- in that vein.

More or less, when somebody's coming through, they're coming through in a, in a meeting way to let me know, like I'm here, I've survived physical death as a survival of consciousness and love, and I want to let my family know that I'm OK, because usually the last event that took them from us was a negative one, because it was their physical death, and that's usually how the information comes across. It's more out of love.

KING: They're not in a body sense.

EDWARD: They're -- right. Not in a physical body.

KING: Yes. Lakeview, Oregon, hello.

CALLER: Hello, John and Larry.

KING: Hi.

CALLER: I'm open to whoever wants to talk.

EDWARD: OK, I'm open to bringing through whoever wants to come through. Thank you.

The first thing I want to talk about is a female who has crossed that I would see as being somebody like a contemporary, so I don't know if you've had, like, a sister or a friend that's crossed, but this is a female that I would see as being a contemporary.

It doesn't have to be blood to you, it could be like a sister, Laura (ph), it could be your friend's sister, I don't know. But there's somebody who's gone for a while. Where does the Cathy (ph), Catherine (ph), C or K name come in?

CALLER: I have a best friend named Cathy.

EDWARD: OK, and she's still here, correct?

CALLER: Yes, she is.

EDWARD: OK, I think the female that I'm getting, I might be misinterpreting this, is connected to her, OK?

CALLER: OK.

EDWARD: And, there's also somebody that I feel like passes either that had liver cancer or somebody who had stomach cancer or cancer that effects the stomach area, from what they're showing me.

That comes up either for that family or for you, and they're making me feel like, I don't know, if you're getting ready to take a trip west, but there's a major pull to my left which takes me west, and they're showing me that, as well, and one last thing is that they're rocking a baby, so when I see a baby being rocked in this capacity it means that there was the loss of a child in the life so I want you to have the baby with them on the other side as well. All righty?

CALLER: OK, thank you very much.

EDWARD: Thank you very much.

KING: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, hello.

CALLER: Hi.

KING: Hi.

CALLER: Hi, I'm Vanessa (ph) and I wonder if you can connect to somebody.

EDWARD: I can try, Vanessa. I might not connect with who you're hoping to, but I'm going to bring through whatever that does come through, whatever that does come through. Is that OK?

CALLER: OK.

EDWARD: The first thing I'm going to tell you is -- and I'm getting this really simple again, I'm getting an older female who has crossed. So I don't know if you have a mom vibration who has passed, but I'm getting an older female who has crossed who I think had breast cancer, by the way.

CALLER: I'm not sure.

EDWARD: OK, well, try thinking again because this is where I'm going to be soft (ph) because I've got somebody who's passed from either breast cancer, or lung cancer, but the female figure that's connected here. Who has the unique J name that I'm not going to be able to pronounce?

CALLER: J? Well my name -- my mother's name is Jane.

EDWARD: Jane?

CALLER: Jane? Jane, yes.

EDWARD: I can pronounce that. Is there another version of the name, or is there another, like, unique name?

CALLER: Not that I can recall.

EDWARD: OK, I'm going to leave this with you. If, again, you can contact us here back, but the -- whatever's coming -- I don't know who you're hoping to connect with, but if -- obviously that's not what I'm getting.

I have an older female who passed from either breast or lung cancer; there's a unique J name which is not going to be Jane for me, and that's basically what's coming through.

KING: Thank you. Yorkshire, England. Hello.

CALLER: Hello. Good evening Mr. King, Mr. Edward.

EDWARD: How are you?

CALLER: And thank you and I just wondered if you could get in touch with my husband.

EDWARD: Did you have two of them?

CALLER: Pardon?

No, just one.

EDWARD: OK, well, I have two here. I have two here. I have one that's making me feel like they either had diverticulitis or somebody had some type of also stomach or digestive illness issues that they want me to bring up, so somebody that's cross-connected to you has had some stomach issues or illness on that -- along that level. And I'm also supposed to be talking about somebody who either passed at home, or they were in their own home or environment when they took ill. Do you understand this?

CALLER: Right, yes.

EDWARD: Was that him?

CALLER: That was -- yes, yes.

EDWARD: That's your husband?

CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: OK, now, is there a reason why he would claim that you would take him from his home, or you would take him -- like when you first met did you like steal him away from where he lived? Or did his family feel like you took him away from his family?

CALLER: No.

EDWARD: OK, well, that's what I'm seeing. So one of the things that I'm known for is not deviating from the message, so what I'm going to tell you again is that there is some type of reference that you did something -- maybe not in a negative way, but that life in a some capacity the two of you kind of moved away from an area or a place that he would be connected to.

KING: When she passes, will she be with him?

EDWARD: I believe so. I believe...

KING: All family's stay together?

EDWARD: Well, I believe -- not necessarily. I believe that when we cross, we connect -- we connect to where the bonds of love are the strongest.

KING: Huron, Tennessee, hello.

CALLER: Hello.

KING: Yes, go ahead.

CALLER: Hi. I lost my father in 2000 and my mother this past June. Can you feel anything, tell me anything?

EDWARD: Hold on one second, OK? Before I go to your mom and dad so -- let me just say right now, no -- I'm not going to connect with them immediately, but I want you to listen to this, OK?

CALLER: OK

EDWARD: There's something that's showing me that they've passed from a gunshot.

CALLER: Right.

EDWARD: You understand that?

CALLER: No.

EDWARD: OK, somebody's claiming that they crossed themselves over. Something that they did.

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: Caused how they passed. OK? And it does effect their head.

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: OK, is that not connected to one of them?

CALLER: My mother's brother-in-law.

EDWARD: OK, it's not connected to one of them. I want you to know that that person needed to get me that -- I needed to get that out first, OK?

I also need to acknowledge that your Dad -- there's either some type of issue of substance, where somebody was known for their drinking, or there's some type of alcohol connection that comes up around the family, you understand that?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: OK, now, they're showing me pink roses with thorns on it? When I see that, that means that in life there wasn't the ability to be able to communicate the message of love or to be able to communicate feelings back and forth, and I feel like I need to bring this across to you, OK, and I need you to understand that they are aware of what you tried to do, and that you were not able to always accomplish what it was that you wanted to do, OK?

And I also feel like there was an issue -- and I'm sorry to do this on television, there was an issue of anger and of disappointment that I feel like you were not able to live underneath -- you couldn't get out from underneath that, you know what I'm saying.

It's like nothing was ever good enough and you were not able to -- you were not able to accomplish in their eyes, you know, what you think they wanted you to see. Please understand that that's not a you thing, that's a them thing, OK, and that your mom recognized that before her passing. Your Dad did not, unfortunately.

And that those issues, that will linger for about 7, 8, 9 years for the opportunity to be able to put them to bed. Please know you don't have to wait. You can still deal with this stuff. If you have to, like, work with a counselor or write your mom and dad a letter just to get out what it is you're feeling. Do that, they will understand and they will hear you. OK?

CALLER: Yes, thank you.

EDWARD: You're very welcome.

KING: Thank you. Amazing. Crown Point, Indiana, hello.

CALLER: Hi, thank you for taking my phone call.

KING: Sure.

EDWARD: Go ahead.

CALLER: My father passed away two years ago, and its really hard for me to believe in an after life. I mean, I've been very religious person, but is there anything that you can tell me?

EDWARD: I don't -- actually, you know what, I don't think that you don't believe in an afterlife. If I can, I don't need to tell you what you believe but as I'm -- as I'm talking to you, what I think it is that you have a very, very strong belief system and I think that you're a person -- I think you're at the perfect place, to be honest.

I think you're at the place where you need validation and you need to know that your own experience to get what I could do, your own experiences are real and the first place I want to start is by talking about something that would have happened to you.

After one of your -- after one of your parents, or after one of the people in your life, there seem very significant passings that I think happen in a short period of time from what they're showing me, and I think that after one of them passed, you had your own experience that you just kind of played off and thought like oh, that's no big deal, that was a dream or the feeling that you had or whatever, and I don't -- I don't believe that's the case.

I believe that possibly the dream that you had or the experience you had was a direct connection from your own family in coming through. The other thing I want to talk about is the unique B name. Where is the B coming for you?

CALLER: A B?

EDWARD: Yes.

CALLER: I can't think of anything right now.

EDWARD: Well, directly connected to your mom's side of the family, where's the B name? Like Betty, like Beth or Bobby or the B connection again? Or Buddy? Just a short B name like Bud, Bill.

CALLER: No, nothing I'm -- no.

EDWARD: OK, I'm going to say yes and I'm going to leave that with you. I want you to be clear what I said as far as more importantly, remember what I said because you already had your own experience and what I want this to be is a validation of that for you.

KING: Thank you, we'll be back with more calls for John Edward.

The Osbournes are here Monday.

We'll repeat the Dan Rather interview that aired last night -- we'll repeat it on Sunday.

Don't go away.

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KING: We're back with John Edward. Cambridge, Massachusetts, hello.

CALLER: Hi, John. Hi, Larry. I was just wondering if you could talk to my mom and my grandmother?

EDWARD: Are they in the same family? Like mother and daughter?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: Yes, tell me that you're leaving out one.

CALLER: Yes, a lot of people.

EDWARD: Well, they're making me feel like they're coming through together in threes.

CALLER: My grandfather.

EDWARD: Like Mom's Dad too?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: Two of them must have passed close together? I need to know yes they are together -- is there a reason why they want me to show you candy canes?

CALLER: Candy canes?

EDWARD: Like does somebody have the name candy or is there some type of reference that somebody would be like a candy striper. or like they did something that I would see like red and white stripes around this?

It's not a Christmas message for me, it's a candy cane message, so I want to come up with that. I also want to talk about -- you have a son?

CALLER: No.

EDWARD: Who's the little boy?

CALLER: My brother? But she wouldn't know him. Different family.

EDWARD: They're telling me to acknowledge the little boy. Or the young boy. So to me -- was your brother born after your mom passed or...

CALLER: Well, step family, so I have a younger brother now that I didn't when she was around.

EDWARD: OK, yes, she tells me to acknowledge the little boy. She's also telling me to bring up that the 11th or the 12th of the month means something.

CALLER: OK

EDWARD: And she's also telling me to acknowledge that. Did she pass before her mom?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: Because she's claiming that she was there to grieve her mom and she's also making me feel like -- do you take care of her mom?

CALLER: Try to.

EDWARD: OK. I'm supposed to let you know that the stroke or whatever this cardiovascular thing that one of them dealt with kind of in -- it did enable them to be able to deal with the family a certain way, but they appreciate your efforts of what you did...

CALLER: Oh, because we didn't tell my grandfather that my mother had died because he was in the hospital at the time.

EDWARD: They -- they understand, OK, and I think that upon their passing obviously they are all together. I want you to know that they are aware of what you are trying to accomplish by bringing like two of your families together. And that it is not going to be an easy task because people are either spread out or you have two people that are just not talking for a while, so you'll get it together.

CALLER: My uncles don't speak.

EDWARD: You'll get it together, but it's going to take a while so just be patient. Thanks for calling.

KING: Belfast -- Belfast, Northern Ireland, hello.

CALLER: Hi, Larry. Hi, John. I was just wondering if you could connect me to any members of family.

EDWARD: You have a son who's passed or there's a younger male in your family who has crossed.

CALLER: Yes, younger male.

EDWARD: OK, that would -- that has to be either like I said your son, your nephew, your grandfather.

CALLER: Nephew.

EDWARD: OK, he's the first person that I'm getting. He wants me to acknowledge that either Charles or that there's a C -- C name that's connected to that family as well. And he's also -- your mom's passed?

CALLER: My mom passed, yes.

EDWARD: Because he's claiming that he's got -- he's got your mom with him. I'm going to say something and I hope I don't offend you with, but in life your mom might have been a very difficult lady to work with, because he's making me feel like she's not like she was when she was here so I think that she might have been a little stern, a little difficult, a little hard to deal with. Not as openly loving as maybe sometimes you would like. Or maybe she was just this way with you but I want you to know that she's not that way any longer. I also feel like -- I don't know if you just had some type of minor surgery but they're telling me to acknowledge that somebody in the family just had a procedure, a minor thing, done and that they're aware that you had to do this, OK? And they were with the person while this was taking place.

Separately from your nephew and your mom, I also have somebody to your side who has crossed. That to me would be like your husband -- no -- it's like your husband, it's your brother, it's the male figure to your side that they want me to bring up, do you understand?

CALLER: My brother.

EDWARD: OK. He had to be a very loud individual in life because he's making me feel like he's got this very big personality, OK? He's coming across in a big, big way. And I'm supposed to tell you that there's a hand signal or gesture of some sort that one of these people had in life that when they talked they maybe they did this, I don't know what this is, but...

CALLER: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

EDWARD: I'm sorry?

CALLER: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

EDWARD: Boxing?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: No, I think it's fighting, I think it's a one hand gesture thing that they would do and I feel like it's their thing and I'm supposed to do that for you or acknowledge that to you so you know that it's them and they're telling me to ask you how your ear is.

CALLER: Fine.

EDWARD: Your ear. It's fine.

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: They're making me feel like it's not, so I'm just going to tell you to check it. Exactly.

KING: Now you said her mother changed. You can change after you pass?

EDWARD: I do believe that you can transition. And one of the -- one of the major things that I'm working on now is talking about -- you know -- in the next book that I'm working on is that relationships that you don't get a chance to fix like while you're here I do believe that you can work on after somebody has passed.

KING: Really?

EDWARD: I do, I really believe that.

KING: Springfield, Missouri, hello.

CALLER: Yes, my mother passed away about five years ago and I want -- can I know why she was taken so suddenly?

EDWARD: That's a hard question to just answer, but I can -- I can try. It's a hard question to answer only because it's a philosophy I've developed in the years of doing this. I believe that people pass when they are ready to pass.

I believe it's part of -- even if it's part of an event that causes their passing. I know that's a hard one to swallow but I do even believe in cases like that that it is the soul's time and the soul is done learning the lessons that it needed to learn while it was here and that's the reason why, and sometime someone's passing here in this world has a great effect in changes and lessons that people that are living still have to deal with and causes an enormous amount of growth and advancement to what their soul here needs to work on.

I mean, I would not be sitting here with you right now if my mother didn't pass when I was 19 years old. I would not be doing this. I would be in a hospital probably doing surgery, either as a surgeon or a surgical assistant or as a vet, that's where I would be; I would not be doing this.

KING: We'll take a break and be back with our remaining moments with John Edward you can reach him at crossingoverwithjohnedward.com -- read his books, he's everywhere, don't go away.

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KING: Oslo, Norway -- they're everywhere tonight for John Edward, go ahead, hello.

CALLER: Good evening, gentlemen. Please why did my baby leave so soon?

EDWARD: You lost a child?

CALLER: Yes, I lost a baby. And I just cannot get over it.

EDWARD: Well, you know, one of the things in the years of doing this I have to say I don't think there's any greater loss than the loss of a child and being a new father myself I -- I have a very difficult time when I actually have to now bring through messages for parents who have lost child -- lost a child or lost children.

I wish I could tell you the exact reason as to why, but as I just said before the break, I think that we all have to deal with certain lessons and unfortunately sometimes the lessons that we have to deal with are -- are lessons of loss and those lessons teach us about life and death and also how we deal with those lessons, how we deal with those losses.

Sometimes we can inspire other people and we can learn from it. It doesn't make it better but I hope that in watching this or learning about it that for me myself and others you open the doorway you walk through to know that your loved ones are still with you.

KING: Brunswick, Ohio, hello.

CALLER: Hi, Mr. Edward.

I don't know, I don't have any particular question, I don't want to take up too much of the time that way but I wondered if you could kind of pick up on something that neither one of my parents are around I come from a very large family so maybe you've got some insight.

EDWARD: Well, I can actually provide you with some insight but I don't think it's going to be to your family. I don't know if you were just helping somebody deal with their dad being ill?

Or you were helping somebody cope with the loss of a father figure or an older male, but I'm being -- first of all I'm supposed to tell you that somebody had either Alzheimer's or some body had some type of issue that effected their head prior to their passing that would kind of make me see them as being like either having Alzheimer's, being either like senile or having something like that but I'm not getting it to your family I'm getting it through the person you were working with or helping so that means it was somebody that's like you're connected to. Where are you calling from, Ohio?

CALLER: Brunswick, Ohio.

EDWARD: What are your ties to North Carolina?

CALLER: I'm sorry?

EDWARD: What's your tie to like the Carolinas?

CALLER: Nothing.

EDWARD: Well I might not be with you.

CALLER: Nothing at all.

EDWARD: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm definitely not with you. Can you find out if we have a caller on hold from North Carolina?

KING: No we don't. Or maybe they do, they haven't given me. Harvey, Louisiana, hello.

CALLER: Hi, John, I'd like to see if you can contact anyone in my family.

EDWARD: OK, what's your first name?

CALLER: Barbara (ph).

EDWARD: How are you doing, Barbara. First thing I'm going to tell you is that I'm getting the feeling of an older female. That to me would be either your aunt, your grandmother or there's an older female that has crossed.

They're also making me feel like there's a tie to the month of October. I don't know if there's a birthday or anniversary on the tenth of a month, or if it's the 10th month of October that I'm supposed to be bringing up, but connected to that family there is also a younger female who has crossed so someday either lost their sister, somebody lost their daughter so there's a younger female who lost who would be below them, OK, so you got to think like it's a grandmother who's coming through, she lost her daughter or a younger sister, it could be below you but it's below her from what they're showing me but that's pretty much what's coming through. What's the big issue in October?

CALLER: My mother passed away in October.

EDWARD: OK, well, then the older female would be above her and they're tying that to October. It's just their way of letting me know that they are connected to you.

They're also making me feel like your mom has to have a connection to the 16th of some month, so I don't know if like the 16th of August is their birthday or anniversary, but there's a 16 connection that comes up, not directly to your mom per se but it's to her side of the family and I'm supposed to tell you that either her father is with her or her older brother is with her. OK, but please know that they are together and they are OK.

KING: Thank you Phoenix, Arizona hello.

CALLER: Hello, John.

EDWARD: How are you?

CALLER: I'm trying to find out about my husband. I can't hear you.

EDWARD: OK, I'm sorry. I don't know, I don't know if I'll be able to connect with your husband. Did he just pass?

CALLER: Couple of years ago.

EDWARD: No, did somebody else just pass?

CALLER: No.

EDWARD: Are you sure?

CALLER: I'm positive.

EDWARD: Well, let me just say this, OK? I'm being told, and it is not for somebody else, I'm being told that it is for you, that somebody else passed right after your husband.

So after he passed, connected to you or his family, somebody else passed and I'm supposed to let you know that they would be I guess together and I'm also supposed to let you know did he pass right around the holiday or right around his own birthday?

CALLER: It was a holiday, July 4th.

EDWARD: Yes, I'm supposed to let you know that there's somebody else that passed after him that I'm needing to let you know that he would be with and I'm also supposed to let you know that either you have a different name than what you said your name was or I'm supposed to bring up the other name that he would have called you by and I'm also -- did he have a heart problem who passed very fast?

CALLER: He had a heart attack.

EDWARD: Yes, OK. Please know that your husband is fine; he does make me feel like -- do you talk to his picture in the kitchen?

CALLER: I'm sorry?

EDWARD: Do you speak to his picture in like a kitchen?

CALLER: Yes.

EDWARD: Yes, he hears you, but you've got to stop telling him like why did he leave you.

CALLER: OK.

EDWARD: You know what I'm saying? When nobody else is around, you're crying to him and saying why did you leave me.

CALLER: I do but I don't blame him at the same time.

EDWARD: I know that, I know you don't blame him, but I want you to know that he hears you, so what you need to let him know is that you're upset that he's gone but you need to know that he's still connected to you.

KING: Try to be specific, will you? Do you get warn out from doing this?

EDWARD: Oh, you bet.

KING: You go home and you got to get rest.

EDWARD: I like to, I like to try to but you know this -- you have to -- it takes a lot of energy to do this. It takes a lot of energy to do this here; this is like marathon reading.

But it is a lot of energy because you're basically; it's like being micro waved, you have all this energy coming through you and hopefully you're going to get it right.

KING: Always great having you with us, John.

John Edward, the renowned psychic. "Crossing Over With John Edward" now in its second TV season. You could also reach him at his crossingoverwithjohnedward.com and he has a new book coming this fall. We'll be back to tell you about tomorrow night right after this.

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KING: Tomorrow night we'll repeat our interview with Ellen Levin, whose daughter was killed by Robert Chambers, the "Preppy Murders," you remember. He is now out of jail.

Sunday night we'll repeat the Dan Rather interview.

And Monday night the first live prime time appearance -- the Osborne's will be here, together. That should be interesting.

Always interesting is my man in New York, Aaron Brown getting ready for a prime weekend where it's just heating up to 20-21 degrees. Aaron Brown, the host of "NEWSNIGHT," carry on, my friend.

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