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CNN Larry King Live
Larry King 20th Anniversary Clip Show
Aired June 04, 2005 - 21:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
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LARRY KING, HOST: Good evening. My name is Larry King. And this is premier edition of LARRY KING LIVE. Every night at this time, we'll be here for one hour. We're going to meet fascinating people from all walks of life, talk to them about things they're interested in. I'll ask some questions, we'll take some calls.
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KING: And we're still doing it. More than 5,000 shows, over 20,000 interviews. Tonight, the very best from 20 years of LARRY KING LIVE.
Thanks for joining us. Tonight, we're looking back at great moments from the past 20 years of LARRY KING LIVE. And as I look back, I really feel lucky, lucky I've still got the gig, lucky you've been nice enough to watch, and lucky to have had some remarkable guests, many truly deserving the title legend.
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KING: Is it still a kick when the man says, "Now ladies and gentlemen"? They don't even say it, I guess, anymore. You just walk out, right?
FRANK SINATRA, SINGER: No, they make an announcement.
KING: "Ladies and gentleman"...
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KING: That's still a kick?
SINATRA: Absolutely. And the first, I swear on my mother's soul -- the first four or five seconds, I tremble every time I take the step and I walk out of the wing onto the stage, because I keep thinking to myself, "I wonder if it'll be there."
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SAMMY DAVIS, JR., SINGER: The cancer is gone, thank god.
KING: It was right there? DAVIS: Right in this area, I would say. In this area. Cancer's gone, and he showed me, before I had the treatments and afterwards. And it's two different things.
And the funny part -- I haven't talked about this, you must forgive me. That's why I'm not too articulate about it.
KING: We forgive you.
DAVIS: It's funny, because everybody that I've discussed this with is close.
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KING: I'm holding Elizabeth Taylor's left hand. On that hand, third finger, is a ring that I have been -- in fact, everyone in the studio's been looking at, and two people have been blinded by.
Is there any story behind this story? Does it come with a curse of any kind?
ELIZABETH TAYLOR, ACTRESS: Oh, no, it comes with so much love.
KING: Who gave you this ring?
TAYLOR: Richard.
KING: Richard Burton?
TAYLOR: Of course. It's called the crop ring (ph). And it was owned by Vera Crop (ph), the munitions, the German munitions people...
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TAYLOR: ... who helped knockoff millions of Jews. And when it was up for auction, I thought, "How poetic that would be if a nice little Jewish girl like me ended up with it?" So Richard got it for me.
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KING: You went with the lover of Rudolph Valentino?
MILTON BERLE, COMEDIAN: Yes.
KING: Well, the obvious question, did she tell you about Valentino?
BERLE: No.
KING: Did she compare you and him?
BERLE: I don't think she had to.
KING: How do you mean that, Mel?
BERLE: I'm not telling.
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KING: You once said sex is God's joke on human beings.
BETTE DAVIS, ACTRESS: I think it is, because during the sexual time, oh, that person is divine. There comes a day, and you look...
KING: The day after?
DAVIS: ... and you say, "What? What did I see in this"...
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DAVIS: No, it takes longer than that.
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GEORGE BURNS, ACTOR: I was never a great lover, even when I married -- I was never a great lover.
KING: You were not?
BURNS: No. I...
KING: Well, how did this image...
BURNS: I made Gracie laugh. I made Gracie laugh.
KING: In bed?
BURNS: Yes, sense of humor. Well, after you're married for 25 years, when you get in bed with your wife, it's easier to make her laugh. And I made Gracie laugh.
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KING: In other words, you were -- this image of George Burns, sexy...
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KING: You are admitting...
BURNS: I didn't need any women when I was young. I could do it myself.
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KING: The other day, Bob Dole said -- I quoted this to the president last night -- "If President Clinton needs a million dollars, he's got to go to Hollywood to get it, so he's not going to criticize Hollywood. If he needs two million dollars, he's going to ask Barbra Streisand to do a concert."
And it was a conservative audience. They applauded him. Why you?
BARBRA STREISAND, SINGER: Why do I get attacked?
KING: Yes.
STREISAND: Well, in this case, you're talking about -- I'm a woman. I'm an actress. I'm a Jewess. I'm a liberal and proud to be one.
KING: You think it's all those things, including Jewess?
STREISAND: Oh, yes. I'm sure. I'm sure.
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KING: What was the most important thing you'd like people to know about your late wife?
PAUL MCCARTNEY, SINGER: About Linda? I think they'd probably would know it anyway, that she was a beautiful, kind woman.
KING: We all knew that from just looking at her.
MCCARTNEY: Yes, well, I'd like people to remember that, you know?
KING: How do you deal with loss?
MCCARTNEY: I'm taking a picture of you in my camera watch here, Larry, just a little...
KING: You what?
MCCARTNEY: ... just a little marketing gimmick I've got going here.
KING: That's a camera watch?
MCCARTNEY: That's a camera watch. I just took a picture of you. Can you see that?
KING: Look, he played it. Can we see this? There it is. MCCARTNEY: There it is. Look at that, LARRY KING LIVE.
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KING: You look in your late-60s. You look somewhere, 65, 66.
BOB HOPE, COMEDIAN: You know, well, it's in my makeup, you know, and I'll stop at (UNINTELLIGIBLE) get my cheeks stuffed, you know. I do a lot of tricks.
KING: Have you ever had a facelift?
HOPE: God, no, are you kidding? If I had a facelift, would I be stuck with this?
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MARLON BRANDO, ACTOR: Got a date with an angel...
KING (singing): Got a date with an angel...
BRANDO: You're off-key. I'm going to be there at seven...
KING: I'm going to be there at seven...
BRANDO: Got a date with an angel...
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BRANDO: And I'm on my way to heaven. Got an angel beside me. Oh, what ever (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
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BRANDO: When the chapel bells bring on...
KING: I'm going to make him an offer he can't refuse...
BRANDO: Good-bye.
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KING: Boy, that's something I'll never forget. And even without the kiss, I'll never forget Marlon Brando. He's one of many friends this show has lost during the last two decades. And tonight, we want to remember some of them.
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JOHNNY CASH, MUSICIAN: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) flatter a golden platter, life laid out there for me. It's been beautiful.
TONY RANDALL, ACTOR: My little girl will be four in April. And my little boy will be three in June.
KING: You're 81.
RANDALL: Yes. Nothing in life is the equal of it. And it's as if this is what I was waiting for all my life.
WALTER MATTHAU, ACTOR: In real life, he's very sloppy, and I'm compulsively neat.
KING: He lies all the time, right?
JACK LEMMON, ACTOR: Of course.
KING: And you just get used to them?
LEMMON: Yes, he just makes up things. I hang around all day long learning things that aren't true.
BARBARA OLSON, LAWYER: No, I wouldn't do a loophole with a client, and mislead a jury, mislead the court, and mislead the judge, because I don't think it was a legal loophole.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It isn't a loophole.
JOHNNIE COCHRAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: They rushed to judgment, Larry. O.J. Simpson was handcuffed within 30 seconds of arriving back here from Chicago.
MATTIE STEPANEK, CHILD WITH RARE DISEASE: I'm very close to God, and I feel that there is a heaven. And you will live on. But we shouldn't waste our time here on Earth. We should enjoy it while it lasts.
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KING: OK, I'm going to have to interrupt this call. I understand we're going to go to a live picture in Los Angeles, is that correct?
OK, this is Interstate 5, and this is courtesy of KCAR, one of our L.A. affiliates. Police believe that O.J. Simpson is in that car. Now police radio is saying that Simpson has a gun at his head. Police radio is saying that Simpson, the passenger in the car, has a gun at his head.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, no.
KING: Which is explained why they haven't been stopping and why they haven't moved up along side.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, no.
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KING: As dramatic as that was, it was only the beginning of the O.J. Simpson saga. What a story.
Over the years, we've done a lot of shows about people in trouble. One of the most memorable involved Karla Faye Tucker. Our historic interview with her took place weeks before she was executed.
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KING: Do you think about being executed?
KARLA FAYE TUCKER, EXECUTED BY LETHAL INJECTION: I have thought about it. It's not something that I focus on.
KING: You've got to think about it.
TUCKER: But I think about it more now than I used to. But I realize that, today, there's stuff to be done. And I have to allow God to keep me focused on what's for today.
KING: What's it like to kill someone?
TUCKER: It's horrible. I mean, to know that you take a human life, a very valuable, precious human life, it's probably the most horrible thing anybody could do. And I try not to take myself back to that night.
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KING: You feel you were sort of satanically involved?
DAVID BERKOWITZ, "SON OF SAM": Yes, I was. I had made a pact with the devil. I had allowed this satanic thing to control me. And I felt these paranormal powers. I know that sounds so hard to understand, you know...
KING: Explain it to me. I'm open.
BERKOWITZ: ... but that's what was -- that's what was happening. And I felt somehow invincible. I felt that I had this power and I was -- unknown to me, I was slowly being led down a path of destruction.
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MARK DAVID CHAPMAN, KILLED JOHN LENNON: I had a black Bic pen. And I said, "John, would you sign my album?" And he said, "Sure." Yoko went and got into the car, and he pushed the button on the pen and started to get it to write. It was sort of hard to get to write at first. And then he wrote his name, "John Lennon," and then underneath that, "1980." And he looked at me, as I mentioned earlier, he said, "Is that all? Do you want anything else?" And I felt, then and now, that he knew something subconsciously that he was looking into the eyes of the person that was going to kill him.
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MIKE TYSON, BOXER: Tennessee Williams said, "We must distrust one another, because that's the only way to protect each other from betrayal." And I'm a great believer in that. I'm a great believer -- I believe everyone that's involved in my life one day or the other would betray me.
I believe that. I totally believe that. I'm just totally and all in believing that. And other people will say, "No, no, no." But that's what I believe.
KING: If you believe that, you must be unhappy.
TYSON: No, I'm not unhappy. I'm just aware of my circumstances.
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KING: Why won't you talk about it? Why won't you say...
GARY HART, FORMER SENATOR: Oh, Larry, I've talked about it endlessly. I've talked about a relationship, or a non-relationship, or whatever you want to call it, acquaintance, more on national television. I did something that was unprecedented in this nation's history, on network television in September, confessed adultery. I think that's far and away farther than anyone ought to go. It's no one else's business.
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KING: Did you have a relationship with Chandra Levy?
FORMER REP. GARY CONDIT (D), CALIFORNIA: You know, we're not going to go into that. You know, I'm not going to talk about Chandra Levy. And I'm not going to say anything that would do anything to hurt or...
KING: Why not say, "No"?
CONDIT: I'm just not going to get into that.
KING: All right, when that...
CONDIT: I mean...
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KING: I'll tell you the reaction that -- I'm just giving you a straight reaction here. I've got no opinion. This show has no agenda. I would imagine a person sitting at home, hearing a question like that, would say, "I'd say no if it's no, and I'd say yes if it's yes, but when I say, 'I'm not going to answer it,' it means yes."
CONDIT: Yes, but there's a whole bunch of people sitting at home saying, "It's none of my business."
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KING: You were able to forgive and overcome the worst thing a wife can hear. How were you able to do that?
TAMMY FAYE MESSNER, FORMER WIFE OF JIM BAKKER: The same thing that Jim just said, through God.
KING: And forgiveness?
MESSNER: If I had my -- yes.
KING: But where do you get that?
MESSNER: I think forgiveness is a choice, Larry. And our whole life is choices, was made up of choices.
KING: So you could have chosen to be bitter?
MESSNER: I could have chosen to be bitter and hated him, or I could have chose to forgive. And it was very hard for me to forgive Jim. It was very hard. But once the divorce was final, I was able to forgive him, and understand what happened, and go on.
KING: And how did you feel about the forgiveness?
JIM BAKKER, FORMER EVANGELIST PREACHER: The Bible is so clear. And this is what I studied in prison, is I began to study the words of Jesus Christ. He said, "If we don't forgive from our hearts, everyone will not be forgiven."
MESSNER: Forgiven, that's right.
BAKKER: Christ said, "Blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain mercy." I needed mercy. I needed forgiveness.
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KING: As a CEO, does the Truman Doctrine apply, the buck stops here?
KENNETH LAY, EX-ENRON CEO: Well, the buck stops here from this standpoint, Larry -- and I've said I take responsibility for what happened at Enron, both good and bad. But I cannot take responsibility for criminal conduct that I was unaware of.
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MARTHA STEWART, TELEVISION HOST: Pundits are out there saying, "Oh, she should go in." Do they know what it's like to go to jail? I don't think they know.
KING: Everybody seems to always...
STEWART: I don't know what it's like to go.
KING: ... put it off. But there are a lot of people saying, "I'd go do it. I'd get it over with."
STEWART: I know. Why? Why do they say that? Would they do it themselves?
KING: No, they say it to you usually.
STEWART: Of course. Of course. It's easy to say what somebody else should do, but what to do is the problem here.
KING: Since you so involved in the business, and so caring about your business, are you leaning toward possibly doing it, since that would stabilize the market?
STEWART: I have two options, either to go or not to go...
KING: You can make jokes. Are you going to redo the jail?
STEWART: Larry...
KING: Yes...
STEWART: ... it's not a joking matter.
KING: No, it's not a joking...
STEWART: It's not.
KING: Do you fear it?
STEWART: Sure.
KING: What do you fear the most?
STEWART: I mean, I'm not afraid to go to jail. I'm afraid...
KING: The lack of freedom?
STEWART: ... to be incarcerated. I mean, it's a lack of freedom. My freedom is taken away. Anybody in their right mind would fear incarceration. But the thing of going into a jail, I mean, I'm not so afraid of that.
KING: Do you have thoughts as to how you might be treated?
STEWART: No, not yet.
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PATSY RAMSEY, DAUGHTER OF MURDERED GIRL: I can't imagine -- I want you to look at me and tell me what you think happened.
STEVE THOMAS, AUTHOR: Patsy, I'll look you right in the eye. I think you're good for this. I think that's what the evidence suggests.
P. RAMSEY: Steve Thomas, you are so...
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KING: So in other words, she killed her daughter...
THOMAS: Patsy, you could have been arrested in this case.
P. RAMSEY: I wish I had been, and then we would have had a free and fair trial, and you would have met your Waterloo, Mr. Thomas.
JOHN RAMSEY, FATHER OF MURDERED GIRL: Are you saying that you would have...
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THOMAS: ... answer my question, John.
J. RAMSEY: Because you have assaulted my wife. Because you have assaulted her. You've called her a murderer.
You have checked 73 suspects and said, because Patsy's handwriting was the only one that couldn't be eliminated, therefore she is a murderer. That is absurd.
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KING: We've talked a lot about the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. But as we go to break, a look back at the story that gripped the nation and this show for more than a year.
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KING: Do you resent when people would make jokes and say, "This is a 10-minute Columbo. This is open and shut"?
MARCIA CLARK, O.J. SIMPSON PROSECUTOR: No, I didn't resent. I agreed. It's true. It's a no-brainer of a case.
KING: Shouldn't you have won? CLARK: Yes.
KING: Did you know right then that you'd made a mistake?
CHRISTOPHER DARDEN, O.J. SIMPSON PROSECUTOR: Well, look at that glove. Look at it on his hand. That's all you need. Stick a knife in his hand. Stick a six-inch or seven-inch knife in his hand. If he can wield that knife, he can cut a throat or two.
COCHRAN: They set the stage that the killer wore these gloves. These are the killer's gloves. And they asked O.J. Simpson to try the gloves on. And the gloves didn't fit. And I thought that was the defining moment in the trial.
KING: With us on the phone now is O.J. Simpson. How are you?
O.J. SIMPSON, ACQUITTED OF MURDER OF WIFE AND FRIEND: I'm doing fine. And, one, I want to thank you, you know, a lot, because so many of my friends have told me that you've been fair. Most of all, I want to thank that man, Mr. Johnnie Cochran, for believing from the beginning, listening and putting his heart and soul on the line to send me home, spend time that I'm spending right now with my kids.
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AL GORE, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: How do you stop that, without NAFTA?
ROSS PEROT, FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Just make -- just cut that out, pass a few simple laws on this, just make it very, very clear...
GORE: Pass a few simple on Mexico?
PEROT: No.
GORE: How do you stop it without NAFTA?
PEROT: Give me your whole mind.
GORE: Yes, I'm listening. And I haven't heard the get sense of it. Go ahead.
PEROT: That's because you haven't quit talking.
GORE: Well, you brought your charge tonight, so I want to know what specific changes you would like to make in the treaty.
KING: It's a fair point. If you're against it, let him respond to -- OK.
PEROT: How can I answer if you keep... (CROSSTALK)
GORE: Go ahead. Go ahead.
PEROT: You're talking about something like a trickle of water coming over Niagara Falls as opposed to the gusher. You know it...
GORE: No, you say it's the...
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PEROT: Do you guys ever do anything but propaganda?
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KING: The NAFTA debate is still one of the highest-rated shows in cable history. News and the people that make it have always been key to our program. Never more so than the 1992 presidential campaign when LARRY KING LIVE became "Must-do TV."
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PEROT: If you're that serious, you, the people, are that serious, you register me in 50 states. And if you're not willing to organize and do that, then this is all just talk.
KING: Wait a minute. Are you...
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KING: Are you saying...
PEROT: I'm playing to the ordinary folks. Now, I don't want any machine.
KING: This is a draft Ross Perot on an independent...
PEROT: No, no, no, no. I'm not asking to be drafted.
KING: OK.
PEROT: I'm saying to all these nice people that have written me, and the letters, you know, fill cases. You know, if you're dead serious...
KING: Start committees in Florida, Georgia...
PEROT: ... I want to see some sweat. I want to see some sweat.
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KING: What if your daughter grew up, had a problem, came to you with that problem all fathers fear? How would you deal with it? DAN QUAYLE, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Well, as a hypothetical situation, I hope that I never do have to deal with it. But obviously, I would counsel her, and talk to her, and support her on whatever decision she'd make.
KING: And if the decision was abortion, you would support her?
QUAYLE: I'd support my daughter.
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KING: Las Vegas, Nevada, hello?
CALLER: Hi, Larry.
KING: Hi.
CALLER: How are you?
KING: Fine. What's the question?
CALLER: I don't have a question. I have a statement, please.
KING: Go.
CALLER: I want to say hello to my son, Bill Clinton.
BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Hi, mother. What are you doing out there?
KING: Wait a minute. What are you doing in Las Vegas?
CALLER: I'm here with Governor Bob Miller, with Mayor Jan Jones (ph), and a world of Clinton supporters. We've been working...
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GEORGE H. W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I'd go hunting every year here in Texas. And I'd drive a truck.
KING: Still a Texas driver's license?
BUSH: Yes, you want to see it?
(LAUGHTER)
KING: Make sure it isn't expired.
BUSH: No, no, it's not expired.
KING: Man, I like that smile.
BUSH: Does it say "president"?
KING: Yep, President George W. Bush, the White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Department of Public Safety, Texas. It's a class-c driver's license.
BUSH: Hey, wait a minute...
KING: Sixty-one inches tall. Sex is male.
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KING: Eyes are brown. Birthdate: 6/12/24. And this expires 6/12/93.
BUSH: I'm legal, see? Where's your car? Let's go for a drive.
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KING: A lot of people in this business, one way or the other, get pretty wealthy. That did not happen, Mr. Tip O'Neill.
TIP O'NEILL, FORMER SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: Oh, no way. No way. I would have been much financially better off if I had the state of public -- out of public life and in private business. There's no question about it.
But money isn't everything. Look at the friends I have. The only money we really have, we're going to leave our children, is the equity that we have on our homes.
KING: That's it?
O'NEILL: Sure. And furthermore, Millie said, "Listen. They're not going to fight over our will. We'll spend it as we go along, and we enjoy it."
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KING: Do you miss the Senate?
BARRY GOLDWATER, FORMER ARIZONA SENATOR: No.
KING: No?
GOLDWATER: No, hell, no.
KING: Don't miss this city?
GOLDWATER: I've missed the city. I have a great affection for Washington. KING: Would you go to the White House? Have you visited the Clintons yet?
GOLDWATER: No. I met the president in the hotel that I was staying in, oh, several months ago. He and his charming wife, who, by the way, was a Goldwater girl in my election, and that just shows her great judgment of men.
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SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: I called my people together. I said, "Take down our response ad. We're running nothing but positive from now on." I committed to that. I promised that.
KING: Now, are you saying that you...
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KING: Are you saying that Governor Bush was responsible for that call?
MCCAIN: I don't know who is responsible for it, but I know that the attacks go on. And I know that the attacks go on.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Let me say one thing. Let me say one thing about all this business, John.
MCCAIN: I told you. I pulled them all down.
BUSH: You didn't pull this ad.
MCCAIN: Yes, I did.
BUSH: This, that ended up in a man's windshield yesterday that questions my -- this is an attack piece.
MCCAIN: That is not by my campaign.
BUSH: Well, it says "Paid for by John McCain."
MCCAIN: That is not by my campaign.
BUSH: "McCain 2000."
MCCAIN: That is not by my campaign.
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BUSH: I agree with you...
MCCAIN: But you're putting out stuff that is unbelievable, George. And it's got to stop. And your ads have got to stop.
(CROSSTALK) KING: I can end this now. Are you going to pull anything that you now have on?
BUSH: I'm going to stand by what I'm putting on TV. And what I put on TV was looking in that camera and saying, "You can disagree with me on issues, John, but do not question -- do not question my trustworthiness. And do not compare me to Bill Clinton."
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KING: It was learned today that Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr, who was appointed to look into the Whitewater scandal, is now investigating charges that President Clinton had an affair with a White House intern.
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MONICA LEWINSKY, HAD AFFAIR WITH PRESIDENT: There was this charismatic, powerful man who was standing there showing interest in me. And I was attracted to him. And I think I was swept up, you know, with the power of the presidency.
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KING: Betraying a friend?
LINDA TRIPP, INVOLVED IN LEWINSKY SCANDAL: Right.
KING: How do you defend that? You're saying you had no choice but to do this?
TRIPP: Absolutely not. Look, let's not forget what I was facing. I'm going to lie; he's going to lie. We are all going to lie. If you don't lie, perjury, jail, or worse.
KING: What could have prevented this?
KENNETH STARR, INDEPENDENT COUNSEL: For the president of the United States to have simply said, "I made a really bad mistake."
CLINTON: All my life, I was raised to believe that you should never give in, never give up. When somebody hits you, knocked you down, you were supposed to get up not give up.
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ANNOUNCER: Welcome to LARRY KING LIVE.
ANNOUNCER: Welcome to the Peabody Award-winning LARRY KING LIVE.
KING: In a lot of ways not much has changed during the past 20 years. We have only had three different theme songs. The set looks pretty much the same. Been though a few of these. Let you in on a little secret. It's just a prop.
Another thing that hasn't changed is the thrill I get interviewing presidents. I have been honored to talk to every one of them since Nixon.
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RICHARD M. NIXON, FORMER PRESIDENT: I can't emphasize too strongly that too often these days when the Me Generation, we say, unless everything goes well everything is lost. Nonsense. My view is only through adversity do you gain strength. I mean, I don't advise people to lose elections, but I do say that adversity only destroys when you let it destroy.
KING: Survival is a part of you, right?
NIXON: Survival is a part of me. You know, there was a great Frenchman who was once asked what he did during the French Revolution. He said, "I survived."
KING: Was President Nixon the one to tell you, "I am resigning, you are going to be president"? How were you told that?
GERALD FORD, FORMER PRESIDENT: He asked me to sit down and he said, Gerry, I am going to resign tomorrow and I want you to know that I have full confidence that you can carry on.
KING: What did you say?
FORD: Well I said I wish this was not going to happen because I really had hoped the things that had come to light were not the truth or were not justifying his resignation. So I was saddened because a friend was taking a very dramatic step.
KING: Are there days you question your faith?
JIMMY CARTER, FORMER PRESIDENT: Not anymore. There have been a couple of times when I have questioned my faith. Very seriously, one was when my father died. It was the first member of my family who passed away. Quite young.
The other time was when I lost the governor's election in 1966 and the guy that beat me was Lester Maddox, a racist who won the race because he would stand in front of his restaurant with a pick handle and anybody that came up that was black, he would beat him over the head with it. And that won the election.
And I thought that God had betrayed me because I thought I would be better for Georgia.
KING: What do you think now? Did God betray you or he didn't? CARTER: No, now I am much more mature in my faith. I don't have any doubt that God answers all the prayers. Sometimes the answer is yes and sometimes the answer is no and sometimes the answer is, "You've got to be kidding."
KING: Bill Casey, the late Bill Casey, told me once at a lunch, if Ronald Reagan has one fault, it is an inability to dress people down. Was he right?
RONALD REAGAN, FORMER PRESIDENT: Well, I guess there was some right in that. Yes, it is difficult for me to fire someone or to be mean to them in any way.
KING: You had to do it.
REAGAN: Yes.
KING: But he thought you never liked it.
REAGAN: No.
KING: Some presidents enjoyed it.
REAGAN: Well, no, not me. I have had the staff tell me that they know I am upset when I throw my glasses.
KING: You've thrown - I can't picture that.
REAGAN: Well, yes, sitting at the desk and throwing them across the desk. My reading glasses and so forth.
KING: Your dander does get up.
REAGAN: Oh yes.
KING: "My daddy had a caress, a certain ownership, which touched a slightly different spot than the high dad I loved so much. But she is still with us, we need her and yet we have her. We can't touch her and yet we can feel her. We hope she'll stay in our house for a long, long time. Love, Pop."
How were you able to write that?
GEORGE H. W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT: Better than I can read it. We are very emotional in our family and this was a long time ago and I have gotten over the and a sissy (ph) about it but it's a very personal and we hurt but now we - you know, a lot of families, Larry, when they have ...
KING: Loss.
G.H.W. BUSH: Yeah. Loss. They go apart and ours I think was closer together.
KING: Do you ever ...
G.H.W. BUSH: I'm sorry to be such a sissy.
KING: No - Do you ever get over the - I could not fathom the loss of a baby. A child. I can't. It's against every law known.
G.H.W. BUSH: It is. It really hurts. But Barbara was the strong one.
KING: Stronger than you?
G.H.W. BUSH: Oh, God.
KING: Saddest day had to be the loss of your mother. You had no time to really grieve, right?
BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT: Yeah. She was real important to me. I loved her a lot and the night she died she called me and we had a wonderful talk and I went home and we put the funeral together and I went to Europe and I came back, took a physical and then went to California.
KING: So you had no time to grieve?
CLINTON: No real time, no. Remember when she called on your show ...
KING: You were in Ocala.
CLINTON: We were in Ocala, Florida, and you set me up. My mother called me from Vegas.
KING: Vegas. Where else?
CLINTON: It was the last trip she took.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT: It's vital that the United States never forget the power of liberty when it comes to transforming society.
KING: Isn't it hard to send people to war?
LAURA BUSH, FIRST LADY: Sure. Absolutely. I mean that's the most difficult decision any president ever makes and that's the hardest thing about serving this ...
KING: We had more today. There's more eruptions in Iraq. And it seems never-ending, doesn't it? What does it do to you?
G.W. BUSH: Well, first it's painful to know that a young American has lost his or her life in combat. It is painful because I know how broken-hearted their loved ones are. We have met with their loved ones a lot.
KING: Well, you have?
G.W. BUSH: You bet.
KING: Because we don't see any stories.
G.W. BUSH: Well, you shouldn't. These are private moments. These aren't moments to be publicized. These are moments between me and Laura and their families and I assure them when I meet with them that their loved one will not have died in vain. In other words, we will complete our mission.
KING: Tonight. America under attack. Horrible images as terror strikes against symbols of wealth and power. The casualty count unknown, the damage unspeakable.
TED OLSON, LOST WIFE ON SEPTEMBER 11TH: It was my birthday and when I finally went to bed, it was after one o'clock - now it was September 12th. There was a note that Barbara had written to me on the pillow saying, "I love you, when you leave this, I will be thinking of you and I will be back - I will be back Friday.
RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER MAYOR OF NEW YORK: Land of the free and home of the brave. Isn't that what it says? Land of the free and home of the brave. So let's be brave. Let's get out there and do the things that we're supposed to do.
KING: They didn't deserve to die.
GIULIANI: These people didn't die so that we will let terrorists control our lives.
KING: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) of the humanity gone in here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, now it looks like a construction site. No big deal. They're pull equipment. But there's 6,000 people. That's the horror. The buildings will be replaced but 6,000 people.
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HEATHER MILLS MCCARTNEY, WIFE OF PAUL MCCARTNEY: This is just basically, not to be dramatic, but just to show people ...
KING: Where does your leg end?
MCCARTNEY: It ends just below the knee. So this is just to show the people the quality of a leg you can get.
KING: It feels just like a leg.
MCCARTNEY: Yeah. But in America you don't have that quality here so ...
KING: Pick your leg up again. What do you ...
MCCARTNEY: There's a screw at the end of it.
KING: Do you have any feeling there?
MCCARTNEY: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Full feeling. Completely.
KING: Full feeling?
MCCARTNEY: Full feeling. If you touch it it makes me feel like my toes are completely opening. And - Paul is going to get upset, you touching my leg, Larry.
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KING: The triumphs and tragedies and trials of celebrities have given us many shows in the last 20 years and I have liked sharing their stories even when they haven't been really excited about it.
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KING: Why have you finally come?
AL PACINO, ACTOR: Come here?
KING: Yes? Finally. After years of asking.
PACINO: It's just senility I guess.
KING: Why do you dislike interviews.
PACINO: I don't - I think it's because it starts with the whole idea of being an actor. Which is something that's kind of - the anonymity of an actor. The more anonymous you are, the easier it is for an audience to accept you in a role. I think it starts there. And it's also basically because I think I'm somewhat shy.
TOM CRUISE, ACTOR: Now, Larry, are you listening. Now, Larry, Larry, let me finish. Just let me finish, Larry.
KING: Will you do more comedy?
CRUISE: Let me finish. Larry.
KING: Now you got to work with Nicholson in "A Few Good Men." Do you do him too?
CRUISE: I can do ...
KING: Go ahead, do Jack.
CRUISE: I've got to swear when I do Jack.
KING: You don't have to use bad words.
CRUISE: I am the Goddamned shore patrol.
KING: Did you have a good childhood?
MADONNA, SINGER: Yeah. I did. I mean, I think I had moments of chaos and sometimes I suffered. I mean, my mother died when I was little and that was difficult for me for a while.
KING: Your father raised you?
MADONNA: Father and then eventually he remarried and my stepmother. Yeah.
KING: How did that work? Sometimes that can be very hard.
MADONNA: Truthfully, I didn't accept my stepmother when I was growing up. In that respect I think I was really hard on her.
KING: Was she trying?
MADONNA: Yeah, she was.
OPRAH, TALK SHOW HOST: I marvel at this life. I mean, I was born in Mississippi in 1954 and all that that means. There are people that are watching who know what that means and there are a bunch of people who probably don't know what that means. Well, in 1954, Mississippi was the most racist state in the United States. We had more lynchings in that state per county than any other state in the Union. And I was born during the year of Brown versus Board of Education, which was the year that really brought about a sense of hope to, then, colored people, we were called at the time, to believe that life could be better, that you would no longer have to go to a school that was segregated with you having books that were less than the other children, with you not having the right - the proper facilities and proper tools to learn.
I was born in that year.
KING: So now, look.
WINFREY: So when I hear Paul Simon sing that song, "Born at the Right Time," I think he is singing about me. Yeah.
KING: Do you have a cemetery behind your house?
BILL COSBY, COMEDIAN: It is now.
KING: Is it a family?
COSBY: Well, I don't know. Mrs. Cosby is in charge of who is worthy to go in there.
KING: You didn't go to funerals. You don't like funerals.
COSBY: No.
KING: That had to be the hardest.
COSBY: No, it was wonderful, it was wonderful. It was kind of spooky. We were all there and Ennis was coming home.
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KING: Why do you never get down? Or do you and you don't get down when you're doing media? Do you ever get down?
CHRISTOPHER REEVE, ACTOR: I'm lucky. First of all, I think because I am in a position to do more than stare out the window. That I can actually be of help and that wasn't a road I would have picked but a lot of times things get picked for you. So the point is either I give in or I say, all right, let's make the best of this. And there is a lot I can do.
KING: Are there ever days you say, I wish my name were David?
JOHN F. KENNEDY, JR., SON OF JFK: No, I'm pretty happy with what it is. I mean, if you're asking if it's hard being me, it's ...
KING: It's brought you a unique life.
KENNEDY: Yeah, absolutely. And great opportunities and some challenges but all in all I feel very fortunate so it's not so bad ...
KING: Do you think it's ...
KENNEDY: I recommend it.
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KING: LARRY KING is seen around the globe so it is no surprise that when the world's leaders want to talk, this is where they come. Case in point, our historic interview with Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin of Israel, Yasser Arafat of Palestine and King Hussein of Jordan.
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YITZHAK RABIN, FORMER ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER: I admire King Hussein, his courage in leading his country for a long time. I appreciate Chairman Arafat for his courage to take the decision to enter into negotiations with us and let's hope that this will be the way that we will solve our problems in the time that we have and the time is in our hands and the results are dependent on what we will do.
KING: Mr. Chairman, are you optimistic? How do you feel tonight?
YASSIR ARAFAT, PLO CHAIRMAN: It's not a matter of to be optimistic or not to be optimistic. The matter is that we are looking to have real and honest and quick implementation to what had been agreed upon.
KING: Your Majesty, what is your role in this process?
KING HUSSEIN, KING OF JORDAN: My role in this process is to ensure that what we have achieved so far will be a model, a good example to others, will be a cornerstone for peace, a comprehensive peace that all of us search and seek. KING: Most little girls don't grow up to be prime minister, we have yet to have a little girl grow up to be president. When did you know you were different?
LADY MARGARET THATCHER, FORMER P.M. OF THE UNITED KINGDOM: That's a strange question to ask and for a moment I have to think. I was very much aware at quite an early age, being the youngest in the family, I much preferred the company of my elders to the company of my contemporaries. I was much more interested in the things that were talking about, because these were the '30s, these were interesting times ...
KING: Lots of time ...
THATCHER: ... great unemployment ...
KING: You were a very young lady.
THATCHER: Oh yes.
KING: You must have felt different. Why aren't I hanging around with my 12-year-old friends? Why do I want to be with my 22-year-old ...
THATCHER: I enjoyed the conversation and the company of older people very much.
KING: Were you a - you were a revolutionary. Were you a terrorist? Did you ever commit acts of aggression, violence?
NELSON MANDELA, FORMER PRESIDENT OF SOUTH AFRICA: Well, terrorism depends on ...
KING: Who wins.
MANDELA: That's right. I was called a "terrorist" yesterday but then I came out of jail many people embraced me, including my enemies. And that is what I normally tell other people who say those who are struggling for liberation in their country are terrorists. I tell them I was also a terrorist yesterday.
KING: What changed Mikhail Gorbachev? What made you able to turn a place that didn't have freedom into freedom? What did it to you?
MIKHAIL GORBACHEV, FORMER SOVIET PREMIER: Well, life changed us. Efforts, attempts to reform the country, to reform our society were made several times after Stalin's death because what we inherited after Stalin, a totalitarian regime, repressions, the domination of one party, of one ideology, the suppression of freedom. That did not give our society, our country, enough fresh air, and therefore the country was suffocating and it needed second wind.
KING: Do you believe there is a higher power.
VLADIMIR PUTIN, RUSSIAN PRESIDENT: I believe in human beings. I believe in his good intentions. I believe in the fact that all of us have come to this world to do good and if we do so, and if we do so together, then success is awaiting for us and both with regards to our relations as people to people or interstate relations.
KING (voice-over): In addition to heads of state, I have talked with many of the world's spiritual leaders.
(on camera): But you have paid a price in this struggle. You personally have paid a heavy price but you don't consider it a burden?
TENZIN GYATSO, THE 14TH DALAI LAMA: Of course our whole life is not that much easy all the time. So the purpose of life is something useful. Something benefit for others.
KING: Can you explain what happens when you pray? What do you do? Who you are talking to, are you asking for something?
BILLY GRAHAM, EVANGELIST: I believe that the greatest form of prayer is praise to God. We are to praise Him because He is the mighty power back of this vast universe. Even Hubble hasn't found, yet, the end of this universe. And we don't know if it has an end. But back of all that is a supernatural being that we call God and if I know God personally, because I believe I do, that is so overwhelming there is no way to conceive it. No way for me to think about it.
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KING: Boy. What a great run this has been for 20 years. Maybe we can do it for another - I was going to say 20. Maybe another 10 years. By the way, Mark Geragos is our special guest on Monday night. You will not want to miss that. And tomorrow night, a repeat of the interview with Richard Nixon.
One of my most unforgettable guests left us a year ago tomorrow. When America lost its 40th president, Ronald Reagan, and Nancy Reagan lost her beloved husband. He made history, and they, Nancy and Ronnie, one of the great love stories of our time. On this sad anniversary we realize what is lost and we appreciate what we still have, namely, Nancy's dignity, strength and grace, which remain an inspiration. Nancy, you are in our thoughts, and as always, we send you our very best.
Good night.
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LARRY KING, HOST: Good evening. My name is Larry King. And this is premier edition of LARRY KING LIVE. Every night at this time, we'll be here for one hour. We're going to meet fascinating people from all walks of life, talk to them about things they're interested in. I'll ask some questions, we'll take some calls.
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KING: And we're still doing it. More than 5,000 shows, over 20,000 interviews. Tonight, the very best from 20 years of LARRY KING LIVE.
Thanks for joining us. Tonight, we're looking back at great moments from the past 20 years of LARRY KING LIVE. And as I look back, I really feel lucky, lucky I've still got the gig, lucky you've been nice enough to watch, and lucky to have had some remarkable guests, many truly deserving the title legend.
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KING: Is it still a kick when the man says, "Now ladies and gentlemen"? They don't even say it, I guess, anymore. You just walk out, right?
FRANK SINATRA, SINGER: No, they make an announcement.
KING: "Ladies and gentleman"...
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KING: That's still a kick?
SINATRA: Absolutely. And the first, I swear on my mother's soul -- the first four or five seconds, I tremble every time I take the step and I walk out of the wing onto the stage, because I keep thinking to myself, "I wonder if it'll be there."
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SAMMY DAVIS, JR., SINGER: The cancer is gone, thank god.
KING: It was right there? DAVIS: Right in this area, I would say. In this area. Cancer's gone, and he showed me, before I had the treatments and afterwards. And it's two different things.
And the funny part -- I haven't talked about this, you must forgive me. That's why I'm not too articulate about it.
KING: We forgive you.
DAVIS: It's funny, because everybody that I've discussed this with is close.
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KING: I'm holding Elizabeth Taylor's left hand. On that hand, third finger, is a ring that I have been -- in fact, everyone in the studio's been looking at, and two people have been blinded by.
Is there any story behind this story? Does it come with a curse of any kind?
ELIZABETH TAYLOR, ACTRESS: Oh, no, it comes with so much love.
KING: Who gave you this ring?
TAYLOR: Richard.
KING: Richard Burton?
TAYLOR: Of course. It's called the crop ring (ph). And it was owned by Vera Crop (ph), the munitions, the German munitions people...
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TAYLOR: ... who helped knockoff millions of Jews. And when it was up for auction, I thought, "How poetic that would be if a nice little Jewish girl like me ended up with it?" So Richard got it for me.
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KING: You went with the lover of Rudolph Valentino?
MILTON BERLE, COMEDIAN: Yes.
KING: Well, the obvious question, did she tell you about Valentino?
BERLE: No.
KING: Did she compare you and him?
BERLE: I don't think she had to.
KING: How do you mean that, Mel?
BERLE: I'm not telling.
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KING: You once said sex is God's joke on human beings.
BETTE DAVIS, ACTRESS: I think it is, because during the sexual time, oh, that person is divine. There comes a day, and you look...
KING: The day after?
DAVIS: ... and you say, "What? What did I see in this"...
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DAVIS: No, it takes longer than that.
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GEORGE BURNS, ACTOR: I was never a great lover, even when I married -- I was never a great lover.
KING: You were not?
BURNS: No. I...
KING: Well, how did this image...
BURNS: I made Gracie laugh. I made Gracie laugh.
KING: In bed?
BURNS: Yes, sense of humor. Well, after you're married for 25 years, when you get in bed with your wife, it's easier to make her laugh. And I made Gracie laugh.
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KING: In other words, you were -- this image of George Burns, sexy...
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KING: You are admitting...
BURNS: I didn't need any women when I was young. I could do it myself.
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KING: The other day, Bob Dole said -- I quoted this to the president last night -- "If President Clinton needs a million dollars, he's got to go to Hollywood to get it, so he's not going to criticize Hollywood. If he needs two million dollars, he's going to ask Barbra Streisand to do a concert."
And it was a conservative audience. They applauded him. Why you?
BARBRA STREISAND, SINGER: Why do I get attacked?
KING: Yes.
STREISAND: Well, in this case, you're talking about -- I'm a woman. I'm an actress. I'm a Jewess. I'm a liberal and proud to be one.
KING: You think it's all those things, including Jewess?
STREISAND: Oh, yes. I'm sure. I'm sure.
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KING: What was the most important thing you'd like people to know about your late wife?
PAUL MCCARTNEY, SINGER: About Linda? I think they'd probably would know it anyway, that she was a beautiful, kind woman.
KING: We all knew that from just looking at her.
MCCARTNEY: Yes, well, I'd like people to remember that, you know?
KING: How do you deal with loss?
MCCARTNEY: I'm taking a picture of you in my camera watch here, Larry, just a little...
KING: You what?
MCCARTNEY: ... just a little marketing gimmick I've got going here.
KING: That's a camera watch?
MCCARTNEY: That's a camera watch. I just took a picture of you. Can you see that?
KING: Look, he played it. Can we see this? There it is. MCCARTNEY: There it is. Look at that, LARRY KING LIVE.
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KING: You look in your late-60s. You look somewhere, 65, 66.
BOB HOPE, COMEDIAN: You know, well, it's in my makeup, you know, and I'll stop at (UNINTELLIGIBLE) get my cheeks stuffed, you know. I do a lot of tricks.
KING: Have you ever had a facelift?
HOPE: God, no, are you kidding? If I had a facelift, would I be stuck with this?
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MARLON BRANDO, ACTOR: Got a date with an angel...
KING (singing): Got a date with an angel...
BRANDO: You're off-key. I'm going to be there at seven...
KING: I'm going to be there at seven...
BRANDO: Got a date with an angel...
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BRANDO: And I'm on my way to heaven. Got an angel beside me. Oh, what ever (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
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BRANDO: When the chapel bells bring on...
KING: I'm going to make him an offer he can't refuse...
BRANDO: Good-bye.
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KING: Boy, that's something I'll never forget. And even without the kiss, I'll never forget Marlon Brando. He's one of many friends this show has lost during the last two decades. And tonight, we want to remember some of them.
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JOHNNY CASH, MUSICIAN: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) flatter a golden platter, life laid out there for me. It's been beautiful.
TONY RANDALL, ACTOR: My little girl will be four in April. And my little boy will be three in June.
KING: You're 81.
RANDALL: Yes. Nothing in life is the equal of it. And it's as if this is what I was waiting for all my life.
WALTER MATTHAU, ACTOR: In real life, he's very sloppy, and I'm compulsively neat.
KING: He lies all the time, right?
JACK LEMMON, ACTOR: Of course.
KING: And you just get used to them?
LEMMON: Yes, he just makes up things. I hang around all day long learning things that aren't true.
BARBARA OLSON, LAWYER: No, I wouldn't do a loophole with a client, and mislead a jury, mislead the court, and mislead the judge, because I don't think it was a legal loophole.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It isn't a loophole.
JOHNNIE COCHRAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: They rushed to judgment, Larry. O.J. Simpson was handcuffed within 30 seconds of arriving back here from Chicago.
MATTIE STEPANEK, CHILD WITH RARE DISEASE: I'm very close to God, and I feel that there is a heaven. And you will live on. But we shouldn't waste our time here on Earth. We should enjoy it while it lasts.
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KING: OK, I'm going to have to interrupt this call. I understand we're going to go to a live picture in Los Angeles, is that correct?
OK, this is Interstate 5, and this is courtesy of KCAR, one of our L.A. affiliates. Police believe that O.J. Simpson is in that car. Now police radio is saying that Simpson has a gun at his head. Police radio is saying that Simpson, the passenger in the car, has a gun at his head.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, no.
KING: Which is explained why they haven't been stopping and why they haven't moved up along side.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, no.
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KING: As dramatic as that was, it was only the beginning of the O.J. Simpson saga. What a story.
Over the years, we've done a lot of shows about people in trouble. One of the most memorable involved Karla Faye Tucker. Our historic interview with her took place weeks before she was executed.
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KING: Do you think about being executed?
KARLA FAYE TUCKER, EXECUTED BY LETHAL INJECTION: I have thought about it. It's not something that I focus on.
KING: You've got to think about it.
TUCKER: But I think about it more now than I used to. But I realize that, today, there's stuff to be done. And I have to allow God to keep me focused on what's for today.
KING: What's it like to kill someone?
TUCKER: It's horrible. I mean, to know that you take a human life, a very valuable, precious human life, it's probably the most horrible thing anybody could do. And I try not to take myself back to that night.
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KING: You feel you were sort of satanically involved?
DAVID BERKOWITZ, "SON OF SAM": Yes, I was. I had made a pact with the devil. I had allowed this satanic thing to control me. And I felt these paranormal powers. I know that sounds so hard to understand, you know...
KING: Explain it to me. I'm open.
BERKOWITZ: ... but that's what was -- that's what was happening. And I felt somehow invincible. I felt that I had this power and I was -- unknown to me, I was slowly being led down a path of destruction.
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MARK DAVID CHAPMAN, KILLED JOHN LENNON: I had a black Bic pen. And I said, "John, would you sign my album?" And he said, "Sure." Yoko went and got into the car, and he pushed the button on the pen and started to get it to write. It was sort of hard to get to write at first. And then he wrote his name, "John Lennon," and then underneath that, "1980." And he looked at me, as I mentioned earlier, he said, "Is that all? Do you want anything else?" And I felt, then and now, that he knew something subconsciously that he was looking into the eyes of the person that was going to kill him.
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MIKE TYSON, BOXER: Tennessee Williams said, "We must distrust one another, because that's the only way to protect each other from betrayal." And I'm a great believer in that. I'm a great believer -- I believe everyone that's involved in my life one day or the other would betray me.
I believe that. I totally believe that. I'm just totally and all in believing that. And other people will say, "No, no, no." But that's what I believe.
KING: If you believe that, you must be unhappy.
TYSON: No, I'm not unhappy. I'm just aware of my circumstances.
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KING: Why won't you talk about it? Why won't you say...
GARY HART, FORMER SENATOR: Oh, Larry, I've talked about it endlessly. I've talked about a relationship, or a non-relationship, or whatever you want to call it, acquaintance, more on national television. I did something that was unprecedented in this nation's history, on network television in September, confessed adultery. I think that's far and away farther than anyone ought to go. It's no one else's business.
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KING: Did you have a relationship with Chandra Levy?
FORMER REP. GARY CONDIT (D), CALIFORNIA: You know, we're not going to go into that. You know, I'm not going to talk about Chandra Levy. And I'm not going to say anything that would do anything to hurt or...
KING: Why not say, "No"?
CONDIT: I'm just not going to get into that.
KING: All right, when that...
CONDIT: I mean...
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KING: I'll tell you the reaction that -- I'm just giving you a straight reaction here. I've got no opinion. This show has no agenda. I would imagine a person sitting at home, hearing a question like that, would say, "I'd say no if it's no, and I'd say yes if it's yes, but when I say, 'I'm not going to answer it,' it means yes."
CONDIT: Yes, but there's a whole bunch of people sitting at home saying, "It's none of my business."
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KING: You were able to forgive and overcome the worst thing a wife can hear. How were you able to do that?
TAMMY FAYE MESSNER, FORMER WIFE OF JIM BAKKER: The same thing that Jim just said, through God.
KING: And forgiveness?
MESSNER: If I had my -- yes.
KING: But where do you get that?
MESSNER: I think forgiveness is a choice, Larry. And our whole life is choices, was made up of choices.
KING: So you could have chosen to be bitter?
MESSNER: I could have chosen to be bitter and hated him, or I could have chose to forgive. And it was very hard for me to forgive Jim. It was very hard. But once the divorce was final, I was able to forgive him, and understand what happened, and go on.
KING: And how did you feel about the forgiveness?
JIM BAKKER, FORMER EVANGELIST PREACHER: The Bible is so clear. And this is what I studied in prison, is I began to study the words of Jesus Christ. He said, "If we don't forgive from our hearts, everyone will not be forgiven."
MESSNER: Forgiven, that's right.
BAKKER: Christ said, "Blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain mercy." I needed mercy. I needed forgiveness.
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KING: As a CEO, does the Truman Doctrine apply, the buck stops here?
KENNETH LAY, EX-ENRON CEO: Well, the buck stops here from this standpoint, Larry -- and I've said I take responsibility for what happened at Enron, both good and bad. But I cannot take responsibility for criminal conduct that I was unaware of.
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MARTHA STEWART, TELEVISION HOST: Pundits are out there saying, "Oh, she should go in." Do they know what it's like to go to jail? I don't think they know.
KING: Everybody seems to always...
STEWART: I don't know what it's like to go.
KING: ... put it off. But there are a lot of people saying, "I'd go do it. I'd get it over with."
STEWART: I know. Why? Why do they say that? Would they do it themselves?
KING: No, they say it to you usually.
STEWART: Of course. Of course. It's easy to say what somebody else should do, but what to do is the problem here.
KING: Since you so involved in the business, and so caring about your business, are you leaning toward possibly doing it, since that would stabilize the market?
STEWART: I have two options, either to go or not to go...
KING: You can make jokes. Are you going to redo the jail?
STEWART: Larry...
KING: Yes...
STEWART: ... it's not a joking matter.
KING: No, it's not a joking...
STEWART: It's not.
KING: Do you fear it?
STEWART: Sure.
KING: What do you fear the most?
STEWART: I mean, I'm not afraid to go to jail. I'm afraid...
KING: The lack of freedom?
STEWART: ... to be incarcerated. I mean, it's a lack of freedom. My freedom is taken away. Anybody in their right mind would fear incarceration. But the thing of going into a jail, I mean, I'm not so afraid of that.
KING: Do you have thoughts as to how you might be treated?
STEWART: No, not yet.
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PATSY RAMSEY, DAUGHTER OF MURDERED GIRL: I can't imagine -- I want you to look at me and tell me what you think happened.
STEVE THOMAS, AUTHOR: Patsy, I'll look you right in the eye. I think you're good for this. I think that's what the evidence suggests.
P. RAMSEY: Steve Thomas, you are so...
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KING: So in other words, she killed her daughter...
THOMAS: Patsy, you could have been arrested in this case.
P. RAMSEY: I wish I had been, and then we would have had a free and fair trial, and you would have met your Waterloo, Mr. Thomas.
JOHN RAMSEY, FATHER OF MURDERED GIRL: Are you saying that you would have...
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THOMAS: ... answer my question, John.
J. RAMSEY: Because you have assaulted my wife. Because you have assaulted her. You've called her a murderer.
You have checked 73 suspects and said, because Patsy's handwriting was the only one that couldn't be eliminated, therefore she is a murderer. That is absurd.
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KING: We've talked a lot about the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. But as we go to break, a look back at the story that gripped the nation and this show for more than a year.
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KING: Do you resent when people would make jokes and say, "This is a 10-minute Columbo. This is open and shut"?
MARCIA CLARK, O.J. SIMPSON PROSECUTOR: No, I didn't resent. I agreed. It's true. It's a no-brainer of a case.
KING: Shouldn't you have won? CLARK: Yes.
KING: Did you know right then that you'd made a mistake?
CHRISTOPHER DARDEN, O.J. SIMPSON PROSECUTOR: Well, look at that glove. Look at it on his hand. That's all you need. Stick a knife in his hand. Stick a six-inch or seven-inch knife in his hand. If he can wield that knife, he can cut a throat or two.
COCHRAN: They set the stage that the killer wore these gloves. These are the killer's gloves. And they asked O.J. Simpson to try the gloves on. And the gloves didn't fit. And I thought that was the defining moment in the trial.
KING: With us on the phone now is O.J. Simpson. How are you?
O.J. SIMPSON, ACQUITTED OF MURDER OF WIFE AND FRIEND: I'm doing fine. And, one, I want to thank you, you know, a lot, because so many of my friends have told me that you've been fair. Most of all, I want to thank that man, Mr. Johnnie Cochran, for believing from the beginning, listening and putting his heart and soul on the line to send me home, spend time that I'm spending right now with my kids.
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AL GORE, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: How do you stop that, without NAFTA?
ROSS PEROT, FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Just make -- just cut that out, pass a few simple laws on this, just make it very, very clear...
GORE: Pass a few simple on Mexico?
PEROT: No.
GORE: How do you stop it without NAFTA?
PEROT: Give me your whole mind.
GORE: Yes, I'm listening. And I haven't heard the get sense of it. Go ahead.
PEROT: That's because you haven't quit talking.
GORE: Well, you brought your charge tonight, so I want to know what specific changes you would like to make in the treaty.
KING: It's a fair point. If you're against it, let him respond to -- OK.
PEROT: How can I answer if you keep... (CROSSTALK)
GORE: Go ahead. Go ahead.
PEROT: You're talking about something like a trickle of water coming over Niagara Falls as opposed to the gusher. You know it...
GORE: No, you say it's the...
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PEROT: Do you guys ever do anything but propaganda?
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KING: The NAFTA debate is still one of the highest-rated shows in cable history. News and the people that make it have always been key to our program. Never more so than the 1992 presidential campaign when LARRY KING LIVE became "Must-do TV."
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PEROT: If you're that serious, you, the people, are that serious, you register me in 50 states. And if you're not willing to organize and do that, then this is all just talk.
KING: Wait a minute. Are you...
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KING: Are you saying...
PEROT: I'm playing to the ordinary folks. Now, I don't want any machine.
KING: This is a draft Ross Perot on an independent...
PEROT: No, no, no, no. I'm not asking to be drafted.
KING: OK.
PEROT: I'm saying to all these nice people that have written me, and the letters, you know, fill cases. You know, if you're dead serious...
KING: Start committees in Florida, Georgia...
PEROT: ... I want to see some sweat. I want to see some sweat.
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KING: What if your daughter grew up, had a problem, came to you with that problem all fathers fear? How would you deal with it? DAN QUAYLE, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Well, as a hypothetical situation, I hope that I never do have to deal with it. But obviously, I would counsel her, and talk to her, and support her on whatever decision she'd make.
KING: And if the decision was abortion, you would support her?
QUAYLE: I'd support my daughter.
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KING: Las Vegas, Nevada, hello?
CALLER: Hi, Larry.
KING: Hi.
CALLER: How are you?
KING: Fine. What's the question?
CALLER: I don't have a question. I have a statement, please.
KING: Go.
CALLER: I want to say hello to my son, Bill Clinton.
BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Hi, mother. What are you doing out there?
KING: Wait a minute. What are you doing in Las Vegas?
CALLER: I'm here with Governor Bob Miller, with Mayor Jan Jones (ph), and a world of Clinton supporters. We've been working...
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GEORGE H. W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I'd go hunting every year here in Texas. And I'd drive a truck.
KING: Still a Texas driver's license?
BUSH: Yes, you want to see it?
(LAUGHTER)
KING: Make sure it isn't expired.
BUSH: No, no, it's not expired.
KING: Man, I like that smile.
BUSH: Does it say "president"?
KING: Yep, President George W. Bush, the White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Department of Public Safety, Texas. It's a class-c driver's license.
BUSH: Hey, wait a minute...
KING: Sixty-one inches tall. Sex is male.
(LAUGHTER)
KING: Eyes are brown. Birthdate: 6/12/24. And this expires 6/12/93.
BUSH: I'm legal, see? Where's your car? Let's go for a drive.
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KING: A lot of people in this business, one way or the other, get pretty wealthy. That did not happen, Mr. Tip O'Neill.
TIP O'NEILL, FORMER SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: Oh, no way. No way. I would have been much financially better off if I had the state of public -- out of public life and in private business. There's no question about it.
But money isn't everything. Look at the friends I have. The only money we really have, we're going to leave our children, is the equity that we have on our homes.
KING: That's it?
O'NEILL: Sure. And furthermore, Millie said, "Listen. They're not going to fight over our will. We'll spend it as we go along, and we enjoy it."
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KING: Do you miss the Senate?
BARRY GOLDWATER, FORMER ARIZONA SENATOR: No.
KING: No?
GOLDWATER: No, hell, no.
KING: Don't miss this city?
GOLDWATER: I've missed the city. I have a great affection for Washington. KING: Would you go to the White House? Have you visited the Clintons yet?
GOLDWATER: No. I met the president in the hotel that I was staying in, oh, several months ago. He and his charming wife, who, by the way, was a Goldwater girl in my election, and that just shows her great judgment of men.
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SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: I called my people together. I said, "Take down our response ad. We're running nothing but positive from now on." I committed to that. I promised that.
KING: Now, are you saying that you...
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KING: Are you saying that Governor Bush was responsible for that call?
MCCAIN: I don't know who is responsible for it, but I know that the attacks go on. And I know that the attacks go on.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Let me say one thing. Let me say one thing about all this business, John.
MCCAIN: I told you. I pulled them all down.
BUSH: You didn't pull this ad.
MCCAIN: Yes, I did.
BUSH: This, that ended up in a man's windshield yesterday that questions my -- this is an attack piece.
MCCAIN: That is not by my campaign.
BUSH: Well, it says "Paid for by John McCain."
MCCAIN: That is not by my campaign.
BUSH: "McCain 2000."
MCCAIN: That is not by my campaign.
(CROSSTALK)
BUSH: I agree with you...
MCCAIN: But you're putting out stuff that is unbelievable, George. And it's got to stop. And your ads have got to stop.
(CROSSTALK) KING: I can end this now. Are you going to pull anything that you now have on?
BUSH: I'm going to stand by what I'm putting on TV. And what I put on TV was looking in that camera and saying, "You can disagree with me on issues, John, but do not question -- do not question my trustworthiness. And do not compare me to Bill Clinton."
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KING: It was learned today that Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr, who was appointed to look into the Whitewater scandal, is now investigating charges that President Clinton had an affair with a White House intern.
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MONICA LEWINSKY, HAD AFFAIR WITH PRESIDENT: There was this charismatic, powerful man who was standing there showing interest in me. And I was attracted to him. And I think I was swept up, you know, with the power of the presidency.
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KING: Betraying a friend?
LINDA TRIPP, INVOLVED IN LEWINSKY SCANDAL: Right.
KING: How do you defend that? You're saying you had no choice but to do this?
TRIPP: Absolutely not. Look, let's not forget what I was facing. I'm going to lie; he's going to lie. We are all going to lie. If you don't lie, perjury, jail, or worse.
KING: What could have prevented this?
KENNETH STARR, INDEPENDENT COUNSEL: For the president of the United States to have simply said, "I made a really bad mistake."
CLINTON: All my life, I was raised to believe that you should never give in, never give up. When somebody hits you, knocked you down, you were supposed to get up not give up.
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ANNOUNCER: Welcome to LARRY KING LIVE.
ANNOUNCER: Welcome to the Peabody Award-winning LARRY KING LIVE.
KING: In a lot of ways not much has changed during the past 20 years. We have only had three different theme songs. The set looks pretty much the same. Been though a few of these. Let you in on a little secret. It's just a prop.
Another thing that hasn't changed is the thrill I get interviewing presidents. I have been honored to talk to every one of them since Nixon.
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RICHARD M. NIXON, FORMER PRESIDENT: I can't emphasize too strongly that too often these days when the Me Generation, we say, unless everything goes well everything is lost. Nonsense. My view is only through adversity do you gain strength. I mean, I don't advise people to lose elections, but I do say that adversity only destroys when you let it destroy.
KING: Survival is a part of you, right?
NIXON: Survival is a part of me. You know, there was a great Frenchman who was once asked what he did during the French Revolution. He said, "I survived."
KING: Was President Nixon the one to tell you, "I am resigning, you are going to be president"? How were you told that?
GERALD FORD, FORMER PRESIDENT: He asked me to sit down and he said, Gerry, I am going to resign tomorrow and I want you to know that I have full confidence that you can carry on.
KING: What did you say?
FORD: Well I said I wish this was not going to happen because I really had hoped the things that had come to light were not the truth or were not justifying his resignation. So I was saddened because a friend was taking a very dramatic step.
KING: Are there days you question your faith?
JIMMY CARTER, FORMER PRESIDENT: Not anymore. There have been a couple of times when I have questioned my faith. Very seriously, one was when my father died. It was the first member of my family who passed away. Quite young.
The other time was when I lost the governor's election in 1966 and the guy that beat me was Lester Maddox, a racist who won the race because he would stand in front of his restaurant with a pick handle and anybody that came up that was black, he would beat him over the head with it. And that won the election.
And I thought that God had betrayed me because I thought I would be better for Georgia.
KING: What do you think now? Did God betray you or he didn't? CARTER: No, now I am much more mature in my faith. I don't have any doubt that God answers all the prayers. Sometimes the answer is yes and sometimes the answer is no and sometimes the answer is, "You've got to be kidding."
KING: Bill Casey, the late Bill Casey, told me once at a lunch, if Ronald Reagan has one fault, it is an inability to dress people down. Was he right?
RONALD REAGAN, FORMER PRESIDENT: Well, I guess there was some right in that. Yes, it is difficult for me to fire someone or to be mean to them in any way.
KING: You had to do it.
REAGAN: Yes.
KING: But he thought you never liked it.
REAGAN: No.
KING: Some presidents enjoyed it.
REAGAN: Well, no, not me. I have had the staff tell me that they know I am upset when I throw my glasses.
KING: You've thrown - I can't picture that.
REAGAN: Well, yes, sitting at the desk and throwing them across the desk. My reading glasses and so forth.
KING: Your dander does get up.
REAGAN: Oh yes.
KING: "My daddy had a caress, a certain ownership, which touched a slightly different spot than the high dad I loved so much. But she is still with us, we need her and yet we have her. We can't touch her and yet we can feel her. We hope she'll stay in our house for a long, long time. Love, Pop."
How were you able to write that?
GEORGE H. W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT: Better than I can read it. We are very emotional in our family and this was a long time ago and I have gotten over the and a sissy (ph) about it but it's a very personal and we hurt but now we - you know, a lot of families, Larry, when they have ...
KING: Loss.
G.H.W. BUSH: Yeah. Loss. They go apart and ours I think was closer together.
KING: Do you ever ...
G.H.W. BUSH: I'm sorry to be such a sissy.
KING: No - Do you ever get over the - I could not fathom the loss of a baby. A child. I can't. It's against every law known.
G.H.W. BUSH: It is. It really hurts. But Barbara was the strong one.
KING: Stronger than you?
G.H.W. BUSH: Oh, God.
KING: Saddest day had to be the loss of your mother. You had no time to really grieve, right?
BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT: Yeah. She was real important to me. I loved her a lot and the night she died she called me and we had a wonderful talk and I went home and we put the funeral together and I went to Europe and I came back, took a physical and then went to California.
KING: So you had no time to grieve?
CLINTON: No real time, no. Remember when she called on your show ...
KING: You were in Ocala.
CLINTON: We were in Ocala, Florida, and you set me up. My mother called me from Vegas.
KING: Vegas. Where else?
CLINTON: It was the last trip she took.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT: It's vital that the United States never forget the power of liberty when it comes to transforming society.
KING: Isn't it hard to send people to war?
LAURA BUSH, FIRST LADY: Sure. Absolutely. I mean that's the most difficult decision any president ever makes and that's the hardest thing about serving this ...
KING: We had more today. There's more eruptions in Iraq. And it seems never-ending, doesn't it? What does it do to you?
G.W. BUSH: Well, first it's painful to know that a young American has lost his or her life in combat. It is painful because I know how broken-hearted their loved ones are. We have met with their loved ones a lot.
KING: Well, you have?
G.W. BUSH: You bet.
KING: Because we don't see any stories.
G.W. BUSH: Well, you shouldn't. These are private moments. These aren't moments to be publicized. These are moments between me and Laura and their families and I assure them when I meet with them that their loved one will not have died in vain. In other words, we will complete our mission.
KING: Tonight. America under attack. Horrible images as terror strikes against symbols of wealth and power. The casualty count unknown, the damage unspeakable.
TED OLSON, LOST WIFE ON SEPTEMBER 11TH: It was my birthday and when I finally went to bed, it was after one o'clock - now it was September 12th. There was a note that Barbara had written to me on the pillow saying, "I love you, when you leave this, I will be thinking of you and I will be back - I will be back Friday.
RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER MAYOR OF NEW YORK: Land of the free and home of the brave. Isn't that what it says? Land of the free and home of the brave. So let's be brave. Let's get out there and do the things that we're supposed to do.
KING: They didn't deserve to die.
GIULIANI: These people didn't die so that we will let terrorists control our lives.
KING: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) of the humanity gone in here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, now it looks like a construction site. No big deal. They're pull equipment. But there's 6,000 people. That's the horror. The buildings will be replaced but 6,000 people.
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HEATHER MILLS MCCARTNEY, WIFE OF PAUL MCCARTNEY: This is just basically, not to be dramatic, but just to show people ...
KING: Where does your leg end?
MCCARTNEY: It ends just below the knee. So this is just to show the people the quality of a leg you can get.
KING: It feels just like a leg.
MCCARTNEY: Yeah. But in America you don't have that quality here so ...
KING: Pick your leg up again. What do you ...
MCCARTNEY: There's a screw at the end of it.
KING: Do you have any feeling there?
MCCARTNEY: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Full feeling. Completely.
KING: Full feeling?
MCCARTNEY: Full feeling. If you touch it it makes me feel like my toes are completely opening. And - Paul is going to get upset, you touching my leg, Larry.
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KING: The triumphs and tragedies and trials of celebrities have given us many shows in the last 20 years and I have liked sharing their stories even when they haven't been really excited about it.
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KING: Why have you finally come?
AL PACINO, ACTOR: Come here?
KING: Yes? Finally. After years of asking.
PACINO: It's just senility I guess.
KING: Why do you dislike interviews.
PACINO: I don't - I think it's because it starts with the whole idea of being an actor. Which is something that's kind of - the anonymity of an actor. The more anonymous you are, the easier it is for an audience to accept you in a role. I think it starts there. And it's also basically because I think I'm somewhat shy.
TOM CRUISE, ACTOR: Now, Larry, are you listening. Now, Larry, Larry, let me finish. Just let me finish, Larry.
KING: Will you do more comedy?
CRUISE: Let me finish. Larry.
KING: Now you got to work with Nicholson in "A Few Good Men." Do you do him too?
CRUISE: I can do ...
KING: Go ahead, do Jack.
CRUISE: I've got to swear when I do Jack.
KING: You don't have to use bad words.
CRUISE: I am the Goddamned shore patrol.
KING: Did you have a good childhood?
MADONNA, SINGER: Yeah. I did. I mean, I think I had moments of chaos and sometimes I suffered. I mean, my mother died when I was little and that was difficult for me for a while.
KING: Your father raised you?
MADONNA: Father and then eventually he remarried and my stepmother. Yeah.
KING: How did that work? Sometimes that can be very hard.
MADONNA: Truthfully, I didn't accept my stepmother when I was growing up. In that respect I think I was really hard on her.
KING: Was she trying?
MADONNA: Yeah, she was.
OPRAH, TALK SHOW HOST: I marvel at this life. I mean, I was born in Mississippi in 1954 and all that that means. There are people that are watching who know what that means and there are a bunch of people who probably don't know what that means. Well, in 1954, Mississippi was the most racist state in the United States. We had more lynchings in that state per county than any other state in the Union. And I was born during the year of Brown versus Board of Education, which was the year that really brought about a sense of hope to, then, colored people, we were called at the time, to believe that life could be better, that you would no longer have to go to a school that was segregated with you having books that were less than the other children, with you not having the right - the proper facilities and proper tools to learn.
I was born in that year.
KING: So now, look.
WINFREY: So when I hear Paul Simon sing that song, "Born at the Right Time," I think he is singing about me. Yeah.
KING: Do you have a cemetery behind your house?
BILL COSBY, COMEDIAN: It is now.
KING: Is it a family?
COSBY: Well, I don't know. Mrs. Cosby is in charge of who is worthy to go in there.
KING: You didn't go to funerals. You don't like funerals.
COSBY: No.
KING: That had to be the hardest.
COSBY: No, it was wonderful, it was wonderful. It was kind of spooky. We were all there and Ennis was coming home.
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KING: Why do you never get down? Or do you and you don't get down when you're doing media? Do you ever get down?
CHRISTOPHER REEVE, ACTOR: I'm lucky. First of all, I think because I am in a position to do more than stare out the window. That I can actually be of help and that wasn't a road I would have picked but a lot of times things get picked for you. So the point is either I give in or I say, all right, let's make the best of this. And there is a lot I can do.
KING: Are there ever days you say, I wish my name were David?
JOHN F. KENNEDY, JR., SON OF JFK: No, I'm pretty happy with what it is. I mean, if you're asking if it's hard being me, it's ...
KING: It's brought you a unique life.
KENNEDY: Yeah, absolutely. And great opportunities and some challenges but all in all I feel very fortunate so it's not so bad ...
KING: Do you think it's ...
KENNEDY: I recommend it.
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KING: LARRY KING is seen around the globe so it is no surprise that when the world's leaders want to talk, this is where they come. Case in point, our historic interview with Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin of Israel, Yasser Arafat of Palestine and King Hussein of Jordan.
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YITZHAK RABIN, FORMER ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER: I admire King Hussein, his courage in leading his country for a long time. I appreciate Chairman Arafat for his courage to take the decision to enter into negotiations with us and let's hope that this will be the way that we will solve our problems in the time that we have and the time is in our hands and the results are dependent on what we will do.
KING: Mr. Chairman, are you optimistic? How do you feel tonight?
YASSIR ARAFAT, PLO CHAIRMAN: It's not a matter of to be optimistic or not to be optimistic. The matter is that we are looking to have real and honest and quick implementation to what had been agreed upon.
KING: Your Majesty, what is your role in this process?
KING HUSSEIN, KING OF JORDAN: My role in this process is to ensure that what we have achieved so far will be a model, a good example to others, will be a cornerstone for peace, a comprehensive peace that all of us search and seek. KING: Most little girls don't grow up to be prime minister, we have yet to have a little girl grow up to be president. When did you know you were different?
LADY MARGARET THATCHER, FORMER P.M. OF THE UNITED KINGDOM: That's a strange question to ask and for a moment I have to think. I was very much aware at quite an early age, being the youngest in the family, I much preferred the company of my elders to the company of my contemporaries. I was much more interested in the things that were talking about, because these were the '30s, these were interesting times ...
KING: Lots of time ...
THATCHER: ... great unemployment ...
KING: You were a very young lady.
THATCHER: Oh yes.
KING: You must have felt different. Why aren't I hanging around with my 12-year-old friends? Why do I want to be with my 22-year-old ...
THATCHER: I enjoyed the conversation and the company of older people very much.
KING: Were you a - you were a revolutionary. Were you a terrorist? Did you ever commit acts of aggression, violence?
NELSON MANDELA, FORMER PRESIDENT OF SOUTH AFRICA: Well, terrorism depends on ...
KING: Who wins.
MANDELA: That's right. I was called a "terrorist" yesterday but then I came out of jail many people embraced me, including my enemies. And that is what I normally tell other people who say those who are struggling for liberation in their country are terrorists. I tell them I was also a terrorist yesterday.
KING: What changed Mikhail Gorbachev? What made you able to turn a place that didn't have freedom into freedom? What did it to you?
MIKHAIL GORBACHEV, FORMER SOVIET PREMIER: Well, life changed us. Efforts, attempts to reform the country, to reform our society were made several times after Stalin's death because what we inherited after Stalin, a totalitarian regime, repressions, the domination of one party, of one ideology, the suppression of freedom. That did not give our society, our country, enough fresh air, and therefore the country was suffocating and it needed second wind.
KING: Do you believe there is a higher power.
VLADIMIR PUTIN, RUSSIAN PRESIDENT: I believe in human beings. I believe in his good intentions. I believe in the fact that all of us have come to this world to do good and if we do so, and if we do so together, then success is awaiting for us and both with regards to our relations as people to people or interstate relations.
KING (voice-over): In addition to heads of state, I have talked with many of the world's spiritual leaders.
(on camera): But you have paid a price in this struggle. You personally have paid a heavy price but you don't consider it a burden?
TENZIN GYATSO, THE 14TH DALAI LAMA: Of course our whole life is not that much easy all the time. So the purpose of life is something useful. Something benefit for others.
KING: Can you explain what happens when you pray? What do you do? Who you are talking to, are you asking for something?
BILLY GRAHAM, EVANGELIST: I believe that the greatest form of prayer is praise to God. We are to praise Him because He is the mighty power back of this vast universe. Even Hubble hasn't found, yet, the end of this universe. And we don't know if it has an end. But back of all that is a supernatural being that we call God and if I know God personally, because I believe I do, that is so overwhelming there is no way to conceive it. No way for me to think about it.
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KING: Boy. What a great run this has been for 20 years. Maybe we can do it for another - I was going to say 20. Maybe another 10 years. By the way, Mark Geragos is our special guest on Monday night. You will not want to miss that. And tomorrow night, a repeat of the interview with Richard Nixon.
One of my most unforgettable guests left us a year ago tomorrow. When America lost its 40th president, Ronald Reagan, and Nancy Reagan lost her beloved husband. He made history, and they, Nancy and Ronnie, one of the great love stories of our time. On this sad anniversary we realize what is lost and we appreciate what we still have, namely, Nancy's dignity, strength and grace, which remain an inspiration. Nancy, you are in our thoughts, and as always, we send you our very best.
Good night.
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