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Aired March 19, 2003 - 13:02 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: Night has fallen here in the Persian Gulf. Just north of here, about that way, in Iraq, Saddam Hussein still has seven hours to leave under the terms demanded by President Bush. Just a short time ago, there was an offer of safe haven by the king of Bahrain, but the longer the clock ticks, the more big decisions appear to rest with Washington, and that's is where we are going to start this hour with our Suzanne Malveaux who is at the White House -- Suzanne, hello.
SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Daryn. Well, it's seven hours and counting. This is an extraordinary day for the president. It is simply a matter of time before he decides when U.S. troops are going to invade Iraq. White House officials telling us today there are no indications, no signs, that Saddam Hussein will comply by that ultimatum, for the sake of peace, leave his own country.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ARI FLEISCHER, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: The president made very plain to the American people that, as a result of Saddam Hussein's failure to disarm and his possession of weapons of mass destruction, he has come to the determination that the only way to enforce the United Nations' resolutions now is through the use of force.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MALVEAUX: On the war front, President Bush met with his National Security Council earlier today. He also met with Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, as well as General Richard Myers. White House officials tell us they went over the conditions on the ground in Iraq, that would be weather conditions as well as the forward troop movements.
All of these factors that could determine when the president decides is the optimum time for U.S. troops to go in. Also, on the homeland front, President Bush met with the secretary of homeland security, Tom Ridge.
Also, with the mayor of New York City, Michael Bloomberg, to discuss the possible risk of terrorist attacks at home, the precautions, preparations that are taking place, and on the congressional front, as required by Congress, in exchange for its approval to move forward with military action, President Bush submitted a letter, as well as a seven-page document, declaring why it is necessary to use force. I'm reading from part of that.
He says that "I determine that reliance by the United States on further diplomatic and other peaceful means alone will neither: A, adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; nor B, likely lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq."
So, Daryn, the White House waiting, preparing now, for that crucial decision when U.S. troops will go inside. It is now seven hours away -- Daryn.
KAGAN: Yes, and here in Kuwait, in the Persian Gulf, that's going to hit about 4:00 in the morning, Suzanne. In Washington, D.C., will the president do anything to mark that deadline passing?
MALVEAUX: What's going to happen is that we will get a very short heads up before the president decides that he is going to go forward and speak to the American people. He'll be in the Oval Office when he will make that presentation. That is the next time that we are going to see the president, we're told, when he will tell the American people that he has already authorized the use of force, that conflict has already begun.
KAGAN: Suzanne Malveaux at the White House, thank you -- Miles.
MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Well, as we've been telling you, seven hours to go, some 250,000 troops, land, air, and sea, arrayed around Iraq on what appears to be, perhaps, the eve, or at least on the cusp of an invasion on Iraq with no last-minute diplomatic solution in sight.
That is certainly seeming elusive. Let's check in with Major General Don Shepperd, get a situation report or a SitRep, in the Pentagon vernacular. And we just want to get a sense, as best we can, from you, General Shepperd, good to have you with us -- explaining where things are. We have got to be clear with our viewers, we're not giving away state secrets here.
MAJ. GEN. DON SHEPPERD, CNN MILITARY ANALYST: No, exactly. This is basically the idea of what's happening. Right now, we've got troops down in Kuwait waiting to move. We are going to establish a northern front in some way. The key to watching this situation starts over here with the AWACS airplane which orbits somewhere over Saudi Arabia, along with JSTARS, watching the airspace.
What you're worried about in the airspace is Iraq being able to launch some type of fighter aircraft or some type of missiles with chemicals against our assembling troops up here. Now, at the same time, when the air attack takes place, the key to the whole air attack is tankers. There will be probably 100, 150 tankers refueling the armada. The armada that is going to be coming are B-52 bombers, reportedly out of Diego Garcia, B-1 bombers also out of Diego Garcia in the gulf, all the way. You're going to have F-14s protecting carriers in the gulf, launching F-18s. You are going to have EA-6 jamming aircraft jamming for all of these. You are going to have F-16 fighters coming out of the gulf region, protected by F-15 fighters up here. F-15 fighters (UNINTELLIGIBLE). F-16 fighters, perhaps, if Turkey allows us to use their airspace, coming out of the north. And the whole idea behind all of this is to have the troops move up towards Baghdad, perhaps from the west over here, and perhaps also from the north. That's kind of a quick look at it, Miles.
O'BRIEN: All right. But -- let's talk briefly about the north, that whole idea of troops moving from the north, still very problematic with Turkey going back and forth on the possibility. Seems like ground troops are not really going to be a possibility at this late juncture.
SHEPPERD: Right. You are going to have to have some ground troops up here in the north. But likely, there are going to be lighter airborne forces, and they are going to be flown in somehow to this northern front.
You could also move quickly towards Baghdad and circle and come around from the north with an encircling movement rather than establishing a northern front. There's also reports that Kurdish have a lot of fighters up here. The Turks are assembling on the border, so the north has to be taken care of as well.
O'BRIEN: All right. In the absence of any Turkish airspace rights, you start looking at the Eastern Med, right? Tell us about that.
SHEPPERD: Right. OK. Basically, over here you have carriers in the Eastern Mediterranean right now, the Harry S. Truman and -- let's see, the Harry S. Truman and the Teddy Roosevelt. Are in the Med. They can fire -- they can launch aircraft. The aircraft would have to come across Israel and Jordan if that airspace is available. They could also come across Turkey. There are also ships in the Mediterranean that could fire Tomahawk missiles that would come across the same airspace. Also, you can put carriers down here in the Red Sea. They can fire Tomahawk missiles and launch aircraft that come across the -- Saudi Arabia here. And you also have carriers down here in the Persian Gulf as well.
We have five United States carriers over there right now that can be dispersed in these areas. Two are in the Mediterranean. The other three can be dispersed between the Persian Gulf, the Arabian Sea, and also the Red Sea over there. And then other carriers can be brought...
O'BRIEN: Is it, as the Powell doctrine would have it, overwhelming force or is it close to that?
SHEPPERD: It is very much overwhelming force, from an air standpoint. A massive air campaign to kick it off with simultaneous movement of these ground troops, because we can and also because of the air support. O'BRIEN: And quickly, what are the big concerns in this interim period?
SHEPPERD: The big concerns to me would be as our forces are assembling down here in Kuwait, we would need to watch for Saddam launching fighter aircraft armed with chemical or perhaps biological weapons, but particularly chemical, or launching missiles from forces up here just north of our forces in Kuwait. Those are things you really have to watch for as you assemble forces.
O'BRIEN: Quickly though, the Iraqi Air Force sat out the '91 Gulf War, capability unclear at this juncture. Probably not going to last very long if they try to launch.
SHEPPERD: No. They had 750 airplanes in the Gulf War. Reportedly about 90 to 100 right now in bad shape, not much training. We are going to close the airfields where they are, but you always have to be on the watch. You can never take anything for granted.
O'BRIEN: Let's run through quickly what they have in their inventory, just quickly, brief overview. They've got some Soviet-era MiGs and they also have some French Mirage, right?
SHEPPERD: Yes, they got -- the main aircraft that they have is the F-1 Mirage aircraft. Basically, that's the main one that they rely on right now. They also have the F-23, the Flogger aircraft. They have some MiG 29s. They have a smattering of MiG 25s as well, and some MiG 21s. But basically, the F-1, the MiG 23, and the MiG 29 are the ones that they have remaining that we are worried about.
O'BRIEN: Most of the Air Force flew to Iran during the last go- round. I don't know that we are going to see that. But nevertheless, we'll be watching out for all of that.
General Shepperd. Go ahead, quick final point?
SHEPPERD: If they get airborne, they won't be able to talk or see.
O'BRIEN: All right. Major General Don Shepperd, appreciate the insights. And the SitRep, as they put it -- Daryn.
KAGAN: Well, Miles, here in Kuwait, it was a very sandy day, swirling sand cut visibility to a few yards in some places, but the sand storm has not stopped the parade of U.S. military vehicles mingled with civilian traffic. It's heading north toward the Iraqi frontier. Long columns of fuel trucks, Bradley fighting vehicles, and Humvees are snaking their way through the Kuwaiti desert. In Baghdad, traffic is lighter than usual as the city hunkers down and waits for war. Many shops are closed today and the shelves in some stores are stripped of basic goods. Some residents have fled Baghdad seeking refuge in the countryside, but most cannot afford to leave.
Many Kurdish families in the north are heading for northern Iraq, an area controlled by Kurds, and this is making Turkish officials across the border nervous. They fear the refugees could spill over into Turkey, or that Iraqi Kurds might declare independence, inspiring Turkey's own Turkish population to renew an uprising that has claimed 32,000 lives.
Well, some top diplomats are meeting today at the United Nations. They are still looking for a way to avert war. Among them are foreign ministers who have declared their opposition to military action against Saddam Hussein.
Our Richard Roth is at his post, live at the U.N. Richard, hello.
RICHARD ROTH, CNN SENIOR U.N. CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Daryn. It doesn't happen often, a major Security Council meeting just hours before war, and yet, the diplomats continued to speak of peace. Of course, they would love to have achieved this, but diplomacy broke down here at the Security Council. Secretary-General Kofi Annan is addressing live the Security Council, especially focusing on humanitarian needs, and that is what the members of the Security Council will be able to rally around.
This morning meeting is now concluding, but earlier, the foreign ministers of Germany, France, and Russia were here to hear Dr. Hans Blix's last report of what Iraq still needs to do in the area of weapons destruction, disposal, and verification. There was a handshake between the U.S. and German ambassadors. At the diplomatic level, everything will still remain rather cordial, but there are very bruised feelings in there. Germany's foreign minister, Joschka Fischer, said that the United Nations charter does not support a U.S. attack on Iraq. France echoed those views, though the words of the French foreign minister were a little tempered. The main area of disagreement, you might say, was the basic holding of this meeting today.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DOMINIQUE DE VILLEPIN, FRENCH FOREIGN MINISTER: Well, we are here to affirm our collective responsibility towards the United Nations, towards the Security Council, at a very tragic moment.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
JOHN NEGROPONTE, U.S. AMBASSADOR TO U.N.: The fact of the matter is that the situation on the ground will change, and so will the nature of the remaining disarmament tasks. Considering a work program at this time is quite simply out of touch with the reality that we confront.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ROTH: Iraq's U.N. ambassador said the U.S. was going to act as an executioner now, and he scoffed at plans of millions of dollars of support by the U.S. for the people of Iraq. There is the Iraqi ambassador live now moving out of the Security Council chamber. He was at the lower level of your screen.
This is really it for the Security Council as diplomats now will await possible military action here. France's foreign ministers say we're meeting today, only a few hours before the guns are fired.
There's Hans Blix, the Swedish diplomat. He will stand by for instructions. But basically, he says he has not been contacted by the U.S. regarding any offers of help for his inspectors, and there's France's foreign minister, Dominique de Villepin and his ambassador. They believe they made a point here that the ultimatum should never have been given to Iraq, that the inspectors needed more time. The U.S. say, Well, look, you only had five foreign ministers show up today. That shows how much they believe, the rest of the world believes, in this effort to curb weapons of mass destruction -- Daryn, back to you.
KAGAN: Richard, could this protest go even a step further? Could the Security Council gather and pass some kind of resolution that would rebuke the United States and Britain and anybody else who is going ahead with this war without a vote from the Security Council?
ROTH: It's expected that soon after any military action takes place, that there will be a meeting of the Security Council, but it's likely to be speeches. It seems uncertain that there will be a resolution, and if there was, then it would be the U.S. turn and the British turn to say we would veto any resolution condemning the war.
KAGAN: Richard Roth at the United Nations, thank you for your insight once again.
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Aired March 19, 2003 - 13:02 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: Night has fallen here in the Persian Gulf. Just north of here, about that way, in Iraq, Saddam Hussein still has seven hours to leave under the terms demanded by President Bush. Just a short time ago, there was an offer of safe haven by the king of Bahrain, but the longer the clock ticks, the more big decisions appear to rest with Washington, and that's is where we are going to start this hour with our Suzanne Malveaux who is at the White House -- Suzanne, hello.
SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Daryn. Well, it's seven hours and counting. This is an extraordinary day for the president. It is simply a matter of time before he decides when U.S. troops are going to invade Iraq. White House officials telling us today there are no indications, no signs, that Saddam Hussein will comply by that ultimatum, for the sake of peace, leave his own country.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ARI FLEISCHER, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: The president made very plain to the American people that, as a result of Saddam Hussein's failure to disarm and his possession of weapons of mass destruction, he has come to the determination that the only way to enforce the United Nations' resolutions now is through the use of force.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MALVEAUX: On the war front, President Bush met with his National Security Council earlier today. He also met with Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, as well as General Richard Myers. White House officials tell us they went over the conditions on the ground in Iraq, that would be weather conditions as well as the forward troop movements.
All of these factors that could determine when the president decides is the optimum time for U.S. troops to go in. Also, on the homeland front, President Bush met with the secretary of homeland security, Tom Ridge.
Also, with the mayor of New York City, Michael Bloomberg, to discuss the possible risk of terrorist attacks at home, the precautions, preparations that are taking place, and on the congressional front, as required by Congress, in exchange for its approval to move forward with military action, President Bush submitted a letter, as well as a seven-page document, declaring why it is necessary to use force. I'm reading from part of that.
He says that "I determine that reliance by the United States on further diplomatic and other peaceful means alone will neither: A, adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; nor B, likely lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq."
So, Daryn, the White House waiting, preparing now, for that crucial decision when U.S. troops will go inside. It is now seven hours away -- Daryn.
KAGAN: Yes, and here in Kuwait, in the Persian Gulf, that's going to hit about 4:00 in the morning, Suzanne. In Washington, D.C., will the president do anything to mark that deadline passing?
MALVEAUX: What's going to happen is that we will get a very short heads up before the president decides that he is going to go forward and speak to the American people. He'll be in the Oval Office when he will make that presentation. That is the next time that we are going to see the president, we're told, when he will tell the American people that he has already authorized the use of force, that conflict has already begun.
KAGAN: Suzanne Malveaux at the White House, thank you -- Miles.
MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Well, as we've been telling you, seven hours to go, some 250,000 troops, land, air, and sea, arrayed around Iraq on what appears to be, perhaps, the eve, or at least on the cusp of an invasion on Iraq with no last-minute diplomatic solution in sight.
That is certainly seeming elusive. Let's check in with Major General Don Shepperd, get a situation report or a SitRep, in the Pentagon vernacular. And we just want to get a sense, as best we can, from you, General Shepperd, good to have you with us -- explaining where things are. We have got to be clear with our viewers, we're not giving away state secrets here.
MAJ. GEN. DON SHEPPERD, CNN MILITARY ANALYST: No, exactly. This is basically the idea of what's happening. Right now, we've got troops down in Kuwait waiting to move. We are going to establish a northern front in some way. The key to watching this situation starts over here with the AWACS airplane which orbits somewhere over Saudi Arabia, along with JSTARS, watching the airspace.
What you're worried about in the airspace is Iraq being able to launch some type of fighter aircraft or some type of missiles with chemicals against our assembling troops up here. Now, at the same time, when the air attack takes place, the key to the whole air attack is tankers. There will be probably 100, 150 tankers refueling the armada. The armada that is going to be coming are B-52 bombers, reportedly out of Diego Garcia, B-1 bombers also out of Diego Garcia in the gulf, all the way. You're going to have F-14s protecting carriers in the gulf, launching F-18s. You are going to have EA-6 jamming aircraft jamming for all of these. You are going to have F-16 fighters coming out of the gulf region, protected by F-15 fighters up here. F-15 fighters (UNINTELLIGIBLE). F-16 fighters, perhaps, if Turkey allows us to use their airspace, coming out of the north. And the whole idea behind all of this is to have the troops move up towards Baghdad, perhaps from the west over here, and perhaps also from the north. That's kind of a quick look at it, Miles.
O'BRIEN: All right. But -- let's talk briefly about the north, that whole idea of troops moving from the north, still very problematic with Turkey going back and forth on the possibility. Seems like ground troops are not really going to be a possibility at this late juncture.
SHEPPERD: Right. You are going to have to have some ground troops up here in the north. But likely, there are going to be lighter airborne forces, and they are going to be flown in somehow to this northern front.
You could also move quickly towards Baghdad and circle and come around from the north with an encircling movement rather than establishing a northern front. There's also reports that Kurdish have a lot of fighters up here. The Turks are assembling on the border, so the north has to be taken care of as well.
O'BRIEN: All right. In the absence of any Turkish airspace rights, you start looking at the Eastern Med, right? Tell us about that.
SHEPPERD: Right. OK. Basically, over here you have carriers in the Eastern Mediterranean right now, the Harry S. Truman and -- let's see, the Harry S. Truman and the Teddy Roosevelt. Are in the Med. They can fire -- they can launch aircraft. The aircraft would have to come across Israel and Jordan if that airspace is available. They could also come across Turkey. There are also ships in the Mediterranean that could fire Tomahawk missiles that would come across the same airspace. Also, you can put carriers down here in the Red Sea. They can fire Tomahawk missiles and launch aircraft that come across the -- Saudi Arabia here. And you also have carriers down here in the Persian Gulf as well.
We have five United States carriers over there right now that can be dispersed in these areas. Two are in the Mediterranean. The other three can be dispersed between the Persian Gulf, the Arabian Sea, and also the Red Sea over there. And then other carriers can be brought...
O'BRIEN: Is it, as the Powell doctrine would have it, overwhelming force or is it close to that?
SHEPPERD: It is very much overwhelming force, from an air standpoint. A massive air campaign to kick it off with simultaneous movement of these ground troops, because we can and also because of the air support. O'BRIEN: And quickly, what are the big concerns in this interim period?
SHEPPERD: The big concerns to me would be as our forces are assembling down here in Kuwait, we would need to watch for Saddam launching fighter aircraft armed with chemical or perhaps biological weapons, but particularly chemical, or launching missiles from forces up here just north of our forces in Kuwait. Those are things you really have to watch for as you assemble forces.
O'BRIEN: Quickly though, the Iraqi Air Force sat out the '91 Gulf War, capability unclear at this juncture. Probably not going to last very long if they try to launch.
SHEPPERD: No. They had 750 airplanes in the Gulf War. Reportedly about 90 to 100 right now in bad shape, not much training. We are going to close the airfields where they are, but you always have to be on the watch. You can never take anything for granted.
O'BRIEN: Let's run through quickly what they have in their inventory, just quickly, brief overview. They've got some Soviet-era MiGs and they also have some French Mirage, right?
SHEPPERD: Yes, they got -- the main aircraft that they have is the F-1 Mirage aircraft. Basically, that's the main one that they rely on right now. They also have the F-23, the Flogger aircraft. They have some MiG 29s. They have a smattering of MiG 25s as well, and some MiG 21s. But basically, the F-1, the MiG 23, and the MiG 29 are the ones that they have remaining that we are worried about.
O'BRIEN: Most of the Air Force flew to Iran during the last go- round. I don't know that we are going to see that. But nevertheless, we'll be watching out for all of that.
General Shepperd. Go ahead, quick final point?
SHEPPERD: If they get airborne, they won't be able to talk or see.
O'BRIEN: All right. Major General Don Shepperd, appreciate the insights. And the SitRep, as they put it -- Daryn.
KAGAN: Well, Miles, here in Kuwait, it was a very sandy day, swirling sand cut visibility to a few yards in some places, but the sand storm has not stopped the parade of U.S. military vehicles mingled with civilian traffic. It's heading north toward the Iraqi frontier. Long columns of fuel trucks, Bradley fighting vehicles, and Humvees are snaking their way through the Kuwaiti desert. In Baghdad, traffic is lighter than usual as the city hunkers down and waits for war. Many shops are closed today and the shelves in some stores are stripped of basic goods. Some residents have fled Baghdad seeking refuge in the countryside, but most cannot afford to leave.
Many Kurdish families in the north are heading for northern Iraq, an area controlled by Kurds, and this is making Turkish officials across the border nervous. They fear the refugees could spill over into Turkey, or that Iraqi Kurds might declare independence, inspiring Turkey's own Turkish population to renew an uprising that has claimed 32,000 lives.
Well, some top diplomats are meeting today at the United Nations. They are still looking for a way to avert war. Among them are foreign ministers who have declared their opposition to military action against Saddam Hussein.
Our Richard Roth is at his post, live at the U.N. Richard, hello.
RICHARD ROTH, CNN SENIOR U.N. CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Daryn. It doesn't happen often, a major Security Council meeting just hours before war, and yet, the diplomats continued to speak of peace. Of course, they would love to have achieved this, but diplomacy broke down here at the Security Council. Secretary-General Kofi Annan is addressing live the Security Council, especially focusing on humanitarian needs, and that is what the members of the Security Council will be able to rally around.
This morning meeting is now concluding, but earlier, the foreign ministers of Germany, France, and Russia were here to hear Dr. Hans Blix's last report of what Iraq still needs to do in the area of weapons destruction, disposal, and verification. There was a handshake between the U.S. and German ambassadors. At the diplomatic level, everything will still remain rather cordial, but there are very bruised feelings in there. Germany's foreign minister, Joschka Fischer, said that the United Nations charter does not support a U.S. attack on Iraq. France echoed those views, though the words of the French foreign minister were a little tempered. The main area of disagreement, you might say, was the basic holding of this meeting today.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DOMINIQUE DE VILLEPIN, FRENCH FOREIGN MINISTER: Well, we are here to affirm our collective responsibility towards the United Nations, towards the Security Council, at a very tragic moment.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
JOHN NEGROPONTE, U.S. AMBASSADOR TO U.N.: The fact of the matter is that the situation on the ground will change, and so will the nature of the remaining disarmament tasks. Considering a work program at this time is quite simply out of touch with the reality that we confront.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ROTH: Iraq's U.N. ambassador said the U.S. was going to act as an executioner now, and he scoffed at plans of millions of dollars of support by the U.S. for the people of Iraq. There is the Iraqi ambassador live now moving out of the Security Council chamber. He was at the lower level of your screen.
This is really it for the Security Council as diplomats now will await possible military action here. France's foreign ministers say we're meeting today, only a few hours before the guns are fired.
There's Hans Blix, the Swedish diplomat. He will stand by for instructions. But basically, he says he has not been contacted by the U.S. regarding any offers of help for his inspectors, and there's France's foreign minister, Dominique de Villepin and his ambassador. They believe they made a point here that the ultimatum should never have been given to Iraq, that the inspectors needed more time. The U.S. say, Well, look, you only had five foreign ministers show up today. That shows how much they believe, the rest of the world believes, in this effort to curb weapons of mass destruction -- Daryn, back to you.
KAGAN: Richard, could this protest go even a step further? Could the Security Council gather and pass some kind of resolution that would rebuke the United States and Britain and anybody else who is going ahead with this war without a vote from the Security Council?
ROTH: It's expected that soon after any military action takes place, that there will be a meeting of the Security Council, but it's likely to be speeches. It seems uncertain that there will be a resolution, and if there was, then it would be the U.S. turn and the British turn to say we would veto any resolution condemning the war.
KAGAN: Richard Roth at the United Nations, thank you for your insight once again.
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