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Schwarzenegger Issues Apology; Davis Addresses Controversy
Aired October 02, 2003 - 15:01 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
JOHN KING, CNN ANCHOR: A dramatic apology today from Arnold Schwarzenegger at the beginning of what was to be, he hoped, a celebratory campaign bus tour, Schwarzenegger responding to a published report today detailing six women's accusations that he made unwanted sexual advances toward them.
In an unusual response, the candidate for California governor on the one hand acknowledged behaving badly. On the other, he called the story trash politics.
With the latest for us now, CNN's Candy Crowley joins us live from Costa Mesa -- interesting day, Candy.
CANDY CROWLEY, CNN SR. POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well that's what -- in part, why a lot of do this, because you never know what's going to happen.
Certainly, if you're Arnold Schwarzenegger, what you wanted to do here was to have a final day leading -- days leading up to the campaign, with all these great pictures. He's on a bus tour through the state. And then he gets this. "The Los Angeles Times," above the fold, front-page story, detailing a number of instances, six women -- instances of groping and that kind of thing.
The campaign knew right away -- they have some experts here -- that they needed to deal with this, lest they have to deal with it for the next four or five days. So, at his very first event here in San Diego, Arnold Schwarzenegger spoke to the story.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER (R), CALIFORNIA GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE: I always say that, wherever there is smoke, there is fire. That is true.
And so what I want to say to you is that, yes, that I have behaved badly sometimes. Yes, it is true that I was on rowdy movie sets and I have done things that were not right which I thought then was playful. But now I recognize that I have offended people. And to those people that I have offended, I want to say to them, I am deeply sorry about that and I apologize, because this is not what I'm trying to do.
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CROWLEY: OK.
Let me try and explain what the Arnold Schwarzenegger campaign says about this, because it did seem to make two contradictory statements, that is, this is not true, this is trash politics, and, "I'm sorry for those I've offended. I thought I was involved in rowdy movie land."
So, what the campaign says is, some of what's in "The L.A. Times" story is true and some of it isn't. That's as far as they wanted to go, John. They don't want to go through detail by detail what is true and what's not. Thus, you got the trash politics: This is Democrats trying to get at me. "The L.A. Times" says none of Arnold Schwarzenegger's rivals in fact gave them any of these names, and that "The L.A. Times" went to these women. These women did not seek them out.
So they are backing off just a little, blaming this on the Gray Davis campaign specifically, just saying this is California; we knew there would be rough stuff at end of the campaign. And, as you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger calling it trash politics, and, at the same time, his campaign saying, yes, part of that story is true.
KING: Candy Crowley, live for us in Costa Mesa, a dramatic campaign already, all the more so now -- Candy Crowley live for us.
Now, Governor Davis' camp says it had nothing to do with publicizing the allegations against Schwarzenegger. Davis is appearing this hour in Santa Monica.
With him, CNN's Frank Buckley -- Frank.
FRANK BUCKLEY, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, John, we're still awaiting some response from Governor Davis regarding these allegations and Arnold Schwarzenegger.
So far, he hasn't spoken directly to this issue. You can see inside here at the Santa Monica Pier Aquarium that the bill-signing ceremony has wrapped up. But we can tell you that, before the governor arrived here and before the official event here, one of the governor's spokesmen did address the issue. Here is a portion of those comments.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
PETER RAGONE, DAVIS CAMPAIGN SPOKESMAN: Well, I think that the voters of California are going to decide what's the end of it. There are a lot of stories that come and go in the final days of the campaign. The bottom line is that voters need to decide what significance to attach to these stories.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BUCKLEY: So Governor Davis wrapping up the event here. He said inside -- there were children present -- that he didn't want to address the issue -- that he didn't want to address the issue in front of the children. But you're seeing that, from the campaign, they are saying that this is an issue that they are not talking about. They say that this is something that they want to leave to the voters to decide the significance -- John.
KING: Frank Buckley, live from Santa Monica.
And now we turn to a key member of Schwarzenegger camp, former Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan.
Mayor, five days left in the campaign, an allegation like this. The polls showed Arnold Schwarzenegger was running ahead. Your immediate take on how this will impact his chances.
RICHARD RIORDAN (R), FORMER LOS ANGELES MAYOR: Well, it's become very exciting. Arnold and his campaign were expecting stories like this to come out at the end. It's surprising "The L.A. Times" didn't come out with a month ago, when it could have been dealt with more intelligently.
But I can tell you, as running for mayor, I was gay one week. I liked young girls the next. And the newspapers were calling literally thousands of people to find things on me. But the bottom line is, who can run California the best? I believe Arnold Schwarzenegger is a person that can govern this state best. Obviously, Gray Davis has shown that he's incompetent.
KING: One of the things, Mayor -- and you mentioned yourself your own controversies in campaigns. One of the things staffs do with a candidate very early on is, you sit in the room -- and it's tough business -- you say, what's in there, anything in the closet? What might other people throw at us. You're saying, why didn't this come out a month ago? That's a question obviously to the media's judgment. If they had the story, why wasn't it published early?
But, in conversations with Mr. Schwarzenegger, did he acknowledge that there could be legitimate claims of misconduct, sexual misconduct, lodged against him at any time in discussions with aides and advisers?
RIORDAN: Well, my experience, they did negative research on me. They questioned me on all these things. And, all of a sudden, in the middle of a campaign, you get sideswiped with something that you either didn't remember or you didn't do.
But this is part of politics. And, really, Arnold has to keep his eye on the ball. And the ball is governing the state of California.
KING: Well, let's put our eye on the polls, as he tries to keep his eye on the ball.
He did acknowledge that he offended some people. They say parts of this story are not true, but parts of it are true. If you look at the polling up to this point, 37 percent of women in our most recent poll said they were going to vote for Arnold Schwarzenegger. And in our polls and other polls, 50 percent or more of women say they are going to vote to remove Governor Davis. So the women's vote critical in any election. Mr. Schwarzenegger was leading all of the candidates on the recall ballot in the women's vote.
Do you think allegations like this and his admission that at least some of them are true is likely to affect that?
RIORDAN: I don't think so, because I hate to distinguish between women or men or different races. Everybody wants a strong government in Sacramento. They want somebody that's going to bring jobs back into this state, more health care, better education for everybody. And I think issues like this are not going to affect the way they vote.
KING: Former Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan, I want to thank you.
We're going to dip in now live back to Santa Monica, California, where Governor Davis is addressing this issue right now.
(JOINED IN PROGRESS)
GOV. GRAY DAVIS (D), CALIFORNIA: I would just rather leave this matter to the voters of this state. They'll digest it. They'll decide what importance to attach to it. And they will decide what impact it has on the choices before them next Tuesday.
I've been saying one thing that has become clear over the last several days is that we no longer have 135 choices to make. It's really one choice that's likely to emerge from question No. 2, Arnold Schwarzenegger. And that leaves the voters with a clear choice. They can retain Gray Davis as governor or they can elect Arnold Schwarzenegger and his crew from Pete Wilson to run the governor's office. That's the choice they'll have to make.
I'm sure they'll make it fairly. They'll determine who is best qualified to lead this state.
KING: Governor Gray Davis responding to this controversy live in Santa Monica, California.
Let's now bring in a key Davis ally in fighting the recall, California State Treasurer Phil Angelides.
Phil, you're also the state treasurer, also the former chairman of the party out there. You know politics well. Was that the right answer from Governor Davis, let the people decide?
PHIL ANGELIDES (D), CALIFORNIA STATE TREASURER: Yes.
KING: Or should he say, this casts judgment on Arnold Schwarzenegger's ability to be governor?
ANGELIDES: Well, it really is a matter for the voters to decide.
But I do think it highlights that this recall is not the way to do the politics or govern this nation state of 35 million people. We've got huge issues here. Like the rest of the nation, we're trying to recover from an economic slump. This recall is not going to educate one child, create one new job, lift one family out of poverty. And I think that today's revelations just underscore the fact that what we need in this state is deep discussion about the big policy issues, not this circus that, frankly, we've seen for the last couple of months.
KING: Well, do you think you'll get deep policy discussions in the next five days or do you think you'll get a debate about Arnold Schwarzenegger, these allegations against him, perhaps even a debate about whether a news organization should publish such a story so close to the election?
ANGELIDES: Well, again, I've been very much against this recall, because I don't think it gives us the best opportunity to talk about how we need to invest in education, in infrastructure, in creating a better business environment.
The very nature of this contest, particularly with Mr. Schwarzenegger's celebrity, is to have this kind of, frankly, irrelevant debate about the future of this state. Now, I do think the governor is right in this respect. Voters have a clear choice, whether we reject this recall, which is really something that will further instability in our state, or whether to elect Mr. Schwarzenegger.
And suffice it to say that I don't think Mr. Schwarzenegger has yet made the case that he's ready to lead this nation state of 35 million.
KING: You make that case, Mr. Angelides. But when you woke up this morning, the polling in your state showed that a majority, a clear majority, in most polls, near 60 percent, were prepared to recall their governor. And the subset of those numbers were a clear majority of women, roughly 60 percent.
Do you think that these allegations and Mr. Schwarzenegger's admission that some of it is true is likely to affect how women vote in this election now?
ANGELIDES: I mean, I do think it will be a factor.
But, again, I think that the voters have to hear the information. There shouldn't be any rush to judgment. Let the voters decide. But I do think it highlights the fact that we just had an election 11 months ago. Is this kind of dramatic change called for this recall really warranted given what we know? And I really do believe that the best course for the people of California is to reject this recall for all the instability that it leads to in terms of our economy, our ability to address our future.
And the raucous nature of what you see right now, I think, is further evidence that this is not the way to run the richest state in the wealthiest nation on Earth, kind of the leading edge of a global economy. KING: California State Treasurer Phil Angelides, thank you for joining us. And I'm guessing we might check back in these final five days. Thank you very much, sir.
And here in Washington, many top Republicans are watching the final days of the recall campaign and keeping their fingers crossed for a Schwarzenegger victory.
I asked the House majority leader, Tom DeLay, what he thinks about the possibility that the actor could be elected governor next week.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
REP. TOM DELAY (R-TX), MAJORITY LEADER: I think it's great for California to have finally a governor that can show some leadership and bring the state back to some sort of fiscal sanity.
But you know how these things go. If Gray Davis wins, everybody will say the Republicans are going to be down in '04. And if Schwarzenegger wins, everybody will say the Republicans are going to be down in '04. So I think it's going to be very good for Schwarzenegger and, more importantly, for the state of California.
KING: Any grumblings at all that you pick up from social conservatives? Arnold Schwarzenegger on the social issues is not, say, somebody who would be mainstream in Sugar Land, Texas, or something like that. Do you get any grumbling about that?
DELAY: Well, there is some grumbling about it. And they're going to try to watch him very closely and try to work with him on their issues.
But I think, more and more, people are realizing that Schwarzenegger can win. There is a lot of very important issues that need to be dealt with in California. And they're going to support him.
KING: You are the majority leader as a result of what began in 1994 with the Republican revolution. A wave swept across the country that knocked the Democrats out of power in this building.
Do you have any concerns at all that the anger at Gray Davis is a symbol of any national movement to kick the guys in charge?
DELAY: No, I don't.
I think it's an anger at people that don't show any leadership, where what we have seen is, people support someone like George W. Bush, for instance, that shows strong moral leadership. And as long as you -- it's sort of the Ronald Reagan mystique, as people keep thinking, well, what about Ronald Reagan? Well, it was because he was such a strong leader. And people are looking for leaders. And when they don't get that leadership, they'll kick them out.
(END VIDEOTAPE) KING: DeLay may be calm about California, but what about the political fallout closer to home from the CIA leak investigation? Find out what he has to say about that and who he's accusing of hypocrisy at the top of the hour on "INSIDE POLITICS."
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Aired October 2, 2003 - 15:01 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
JOHN KING, CNN ANCHOR: A dramatic apology today from Arnold Schwarzenegger at the beginning of what was to be, he hoped, a celebratory campaign bus tour, Schwarzenegger responding to a published report today detailing six women's accusations that he made unwanted sexual advances toward them.
In an unusual response, the candidate for California governor on the one hand acknowledged behaving badly. On the other, he called the story trash politics.
With the latest for us now, CNN's Candy Crowley joins us live from Costa Mesa -- interesting day, Candy.
CANDY CROWLEY, CNN SR. POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well that's what -- in part, why a lot of do this, because you never know what's going to happen.
Certainly, if you're Arnold Schwarzenegger, what you wanted to do here was to have a final day leading -- days leading up to the campaign, with all these great pictures. He's on a bus tour through the state. And then he gets this. "The Los Angeles Times," above the fold, front-page story, detailing a number of instances, six women -- instances of groping and that kind of thing.
The campaign knew right away -- they have some experts here -- that they needed to deal with this, lest they have to deal with it for the next four or five days. So, at his very first event here in San Diego, Arnold Schwarzenegger spoke to the story.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER (R), CALIFORNIA GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE: I always say that, wherever there is smoke, there is fire. That is true.
And so what I want to say to you is that, yes, that I have behaved badly sometimes. Yes, it is true that I was on rowdy movie sets and I have done things that were not right which I thought then was playful. But now I recognize that I have offended people. And to those people that I have offended, I want to say to them, I am deeply sorry about that and I apologize, because this is not what I'm trying to do.
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CROWLEY: OK.
Let me try and explain what the Arnold Schwarzenegger campaign says about this, because it did seem to make two contradictory statements, that is, this is not true, this is trash politics, and, "I'm sorry for those I've offended. I thought I was involved in rowdy movie land."
So, what the campaign says is, some of what's in "The L.A. Times" story is true and some of it isn't. That's as far as they wanted to go, John. They don't want to go through detail by detail what is true and what's not. Thus, you got the trash politics: This is Democrats trying to get at me. "The L.A. Times" says none of Arnold Schwarzenegger's rivals in fact gave them any of these names, and that "The L.A. Times" went to these women. These women did not seek them out.
So they are backing off just a little, blaming this on the Gray Davis campaign specifically, just saying this is California; we knew there would be rough stuff at end of the campaign. And, as you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger calling it trash politics, and, at the same time, his campaign saying, yes, part of that story is true.
KING: Candy Crowley, live for us in Costa Mesa, a dramatic campaign already, all the more so now -- Candy Crowley live for us.
Now, Governor Davis' camp says it had nothing to do with publicizing the allegations against Schwarzenegger. Davis is appearing this hour in Santa Monica.
With him, CNN's Frank Buckley -- Frank.
FRANK BUCKLEY, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, John, we're still awaiting some response from Governor Davis regarding these allegations and Arnold Schwarzenegger.
So far, he hasn't spoken directly to this issue. You can see inside here at the Santa Monica Pier Aquarium that the bill-signing ceremony has wrapped up. But we can tell you that, before the governor arrived here and before the official event here, one of the governor's spokesmen did address the issue. Here is a portion of those comments.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
PETER RAGONE, DAVIS CAMPAIGN SPOKESMAN: Well, I think that the voters of California are going to decide what's the end of it. There are a lot of stories that come and go in the final days of the campaign. The bottom line is that voters need to decide what significance to attach to these stories.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BUCKLEY: So Governor Davis wrapping up the event here. He said inside -- there were children present -- that he didn't want to address the issue -- that he didn't want to address the issue in front of the children. But you're seeing that, from the campaign, they are saying that this is an issue that they are not talking about. They say that this is something that they want to leave to the voters to decide the significance -- John.
KING: Frank Buckley, live from Santa Monica.
And now we turn to a key member of Schwarzenegger camp, former Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan.
Mayor, five days left in the campaign, an allegation like this. The polls showed Arnold Schwarzenegger was running ahead. Your immediate take on how this will impact his chances.
RICHARD RIORDAN (R), FORMER LOS ANGELES MAYOR: Well, it's become very exciting. Arnold and his campaign were expecting stories like this to come out at the end. It's surprising "The L.A. Times" didn't come out with a month ago, when it could have been dealt with more intelligently.
But I can tell you, as running for mayor, I was gay one week. I liked young girls the next. And the newspapers were calling literally thousands of people to find things on me. But the bottom line is, who can run California the best? I believe Arnold Schwarzenegger is a person that can govern this state best. Obviously, Gray Davis has shown that he's incompetent.
KING: One of the things, Mayor -- and you mentioned yourself your own controversies in campaigns. One of the things staffs do with a candidate very early on is, you sit in the room -- and it's tough business -- you say, what's in there, anything in the closet? What might other people throw at us. You're saying, why didn't this come out a month ago? That's a question obviously to the media's judgment. If they had the story, why wasn't it published early?
But, in conversations with Mr. Schwarzenegger, did he acknowledge that there could be legitimate claims of misconduct, sexual misconduct, lodged against him at any time in discussions with aides and advisers?
RIORDAN: Well, my experience, they did negative research on me. They questioned me on all these things. And, all of a sudden, in the middle of a campaign, you get sideswiped with something that you either didn't remember or you didn't do.
But this is part of politics. And, really, Arnold has to keep his eye on the ball. And the ball is governing the state of California.
KING: Well, let's put our eye on the polls, as he tries to keep his eye on the ball.
He did acknowledge that he offended some people. They say parts of this story are not true, but parts of it are true. If you look at the polling up to this point, 37 percent of women in our most recent poll said they were going to vote for Arnold Schwarzenegger. And in our polls and other polls, 50 percent or more of women say they are going to vote to remove Governor Davis. So the women's vote critical in any election. Mr. Schwarzenegger was leading all of the candidates on the recall ballot in the women's vote.
Do you think allegations like this and his admission that at least some of them are true is likely to affect that?
RIORDAN: I don't think so, because I hate to distinguish between women or men or different races. Everybody wants a strong government in Sacramento. They want somebody that's going to bring jobs back into this state, more health care, better education for everybody. And I think issues like this are not going to affect the way they vote.
KING: Former Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan, I want to thank you.
We're going to dip in now live back to Santa Monica, California, where Governor Davis is addressing this issue right now.
(JOINED IN PROGRESS)
GOV. GRAY DAVIS (D), CALIFORNIA: I would just rather leave this matter to the voters of this state. They'll digest it. They'll decide what importance to attach to it. And they will decide what impact it has on the choices before them next Tuesday.
I've been saying one thing that has become clear over the last several days is that we no longer have 135 choices to make. It's really one choice that's likely to emerge from question No. 2, Arnold Schwarzenegger. And that leaves the voters with a clear choice. They can retain Gray Davis as governor or they can elect Arnold Schwarzenegger and his crew from Pete Wilson to run the governor's office. That's the choice they'll have to make.
I'm sure they'll make it fairly. They'll determine who is best qualified to lead this state.
KING: Governor Gray Davis responding to this controversy live in Santa Monica, California.
Let's now bring in a key Davis ally in fighting the recall, California State Treasurer Phil Angelides.
Phil, you're also the state treasurer, also the former chairman of the party out there. You know politics well. Was that the right answer from Governor Davis, let the people decide?
PHIL ANGELIDES (D), CALIFORNIA STATE TREASURER: Yes.
KING: Or should he say, this casts judgment on Arnold Schwarzenegger's ability to be governor?
ANGELIDES: Well, it really is a matter for the voters to decide.
But I do think it highlights that this recall is not the way to do the politics or govern this nation state of 35 million people. We've got huge issues here. Like the rest of the nation, we're trying to recover from an economic slump. This recall is not going to educate one child, create one new job, lift one family out of poverty. And I think that today's revelations just underscore the fact that what we need in this state is deep discussion about the big policy issues, not this circus that, frankly, we've seen for the last couple of months.
KING: Well, do you think you'll get deep policy discussions in the next five days or do you think you'll get a debate about Arnold Schwarzenegger, these allegations against him, perhaps even a debate about whether a news organization should publish such a story so close to the election?
ANGELIDES: Well, again, I've been very much against this recall, because I don't think it gives us the best opportunity to talk about how we need to invest in education, in infrastructure, in creating a better business environment.
The very nature of this contest, particularly with Mr. Schwarzenegger's celebrity, is to have this kind of, frankly, irrelevant debate about the future of this state. Now, I do think the governor is right in this respect. Voters have a clear choice, whether we reject this recall, which is really something that will further instability in our state, or whether to elect Mr. Schwarzenegger.
And suffice it to say that I don't think Mr. Schwarzenegger has yet made the case that he's ready to lead this nation state of 35 million.
KING: You make that case, Mr. Angelides. But when you woke up this morning, the polling in your state showed that a majority, a clear majority, in most polls, near 60 percent, were prepared to recall their governor. And the subset of those numbers were a clear majority of women, roughly 60 percent.
Do you think that these allegations and Mr. Schwarzenegger's admission that some of it is true is likely to affect how women vote in this election now?
ANGELIDES: I mean, I do think it will be a factor.
But, again, I think that the voters have to hear the information. There shouldn't be any rush to judgment. Let the voters decide. But I do think it highlights the fact that we just had an election 11 months ago. Is this kind of dramatic change called for this recall really warranted given what we know? And I really do believe that the best course for the people of California is to reject this recall for all the instability that it leads to in terms of our economy, our ability to address our future.
And the raucous nature of what you see right now, I think, is further evidence that this is not the way to run the richest state in the wealthiest nation on Earth, kind of the leading edge of a global economy. KING: California State Treasurer Phil Angelides, thank you for joining us. And I'm guessing we might check back in these final five days. Thank you very much, sir.
And here in Washington, many top Republicans are watching the final days of the recall campaign and keeping their fingers crossed for a Schwarzenegger victory.
I asked the House majority leader, Tom DeLay, what he thinks about the possibility that the actor could be elected governor next week.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
REP. TOM DELAY (R-TX), MAJORITY LEADER: I think it's great for California to have finally a governor that can show some leadership and bring the state back to some sort of fiscal sanity.
But you know how these things go. If Gray Davis wins, everybody will say the Republicans are going to be down in '04. And if Schwarzenegger wins, everybody will say the Republicans are going to be down in '04. So I think it's going to be very good for Schwarzenegger and, more importantly, for the state of California.
KING: Any grumblings at all that you pick up from social conservatives? Arnold Schwarzenegger on the social issues is not, say, somebody who would be mainstream in Sugar Land, Texas, or something like that. Do you get any grumbling about that?
DELAY: Well, there is some grumbling about it. And they're going to try to watch him very closely and try to work with him on their issues.
But I think, more and more, people are realizing that Schwarzenegger can win. There is a lot of very important issues that need to be dealt with in California. And they're going to support him.
KING: You are the majority leader as a result of what began in 1994 with the Republican revolution. A wave swept across the country that knocked the Democrats out of power in this building.
Do you have any concerns at all that the anger at Gray Davis is a symbol of any national movement to kick the guys in charge?
DELAY: No, I don't.
I think it's an anger at people that don't show any leadership, where what we have seen is, people support someone like George W. Bush, for instance, that shows strong moral leadership. And as long as you -- it's sort of the Ronald Reagan mystique, as people keep thinking, well, what about Ronald Reagan? Well, it was because he was such a strong leader. And people are looking for leaders. And when they don't get that leadership, they'll kick them out.
(END VIDEOTAPE) KING: DeLay may be calm about California, but what about the political fallout closer to home from the CIA leak investigation? Find out what he has to say about that and who he's accusing of hypocrisy at the top of the hour on "INSIDE POLITICS."
TO ORDER A VIDEO OF THIS TRANSCRIPT, PLEASE CALL 800-CNN-NEWS OR USE OUR SECURE ONLINE ORDER FORM LOCATED AT www.fdch.com
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