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Howard Stern Silenced as Part of Indecency Crackdown
Aired February 26, 2004 - 13:31 ET
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KYRA PHILLIPS, ANCHOR: Well, today, a lot of deejays are saying, thanks a lot, Janet Jackson.
In the wake of that infamous Super Bowl half time strip stunt, the FCC has cracked down -- like that little graphic there? -- on the slippery issue of broadcast decency.
As a result, Clear Channel slapped a corporate muzzle on Howard Stern, and Bubba the Love Sponge was fired outright. Some wonder who's next.
Joining us to talk about standards and shock jocks, Eric Von Haessler. He's co-host of "The Regular Guys" morning show on the Clear Channel-owned 96 Rock here in Atlanta.
And joining us from Washington, Martha Zoller, who has her own daily radio talk show out of Atlanta.
Good morning, Martha.
Eric, good to have you.
MARTHA ZOLER, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Hi, guys.
VON HAESSLER: I'm wondering who's next. I'm wondering if it's me.
PHILLIPS: Yes, I kind of wondered if it's going to be you.
All right. Let's talk about this policy right here. Clear Channel Communications saying a zero tolerance broadcast policy designed to keep indecent material off the airwaves.
What do you think about that?
VON HAESSLER: I think it makes no sense. How can you have a zero tolerance policy for something that's not defined? Indecency? They've never defined it.
You know, if you told me, here's 10 words you can't say, here's three or four things, subjects that you can't go in to, maybe I can understand it. But zero tolerance for something that's not defined seems ridiculous.
PHILLIPS: How do you define indecency? What's your definition of indecent material?
VON HAESSLER: That's a hard question. I mean, it's a subjective thing, right? What offends me may not offend you.
PHILLIPS: What do you think it is?
VON HAESSLER: I was offended by the Janet Jackson thing, because I thought she did it at the wrong place. I mean, it's family friendly. It's the half time show at the Super Bowl. You don't do it there.
I don't know that I found it -- yes, I would say I thought that was indecent because of the audience.
PHILLIPS: Martha, how do you define indecency?
ZOLLER: Well, indecency is one of those things that is -- is very communal. It means that some people are going to look at it one way, some people are going to look at it another way. The Supreme Court has upheld that.
The problem is when you've got radio that's syndicated in a lot of different places, you've got a lot of different community standards.
And it's one of those things, you know it when you see it. And you should know it if you've crossed over it.
You can't talk about sex on the radio. You shouldn't talk about sex on the radio.
And you've got to understand there is a responsibility -- even Eric. I mean, Eric's got a lot of teenage boys, 17, 18, 19, 20 -- I know, I've got three of them living in my house -- that listen to them every day.
VON HAESSLER: Yes.
ZOLLER: Because you can't control everything. And if you knew -- I know that's not your target audience, Eric, but you've got a lot of 17, 18, 19-year-old kids that are listening and are thinking you're great guys and they want to be just like you...
VON HAESSLER: And when I was 17, I didn't listen to me and I still thought about subjects like that and we still...
ZOLLER: But there's nothing like you...
VON HAESSLER: No, we still talked about things like that. And I didn't invent the subject. And I think if you're -- I assume you're a good parent. I'm not going to say that you're not.
But if you're a good parent, you talk to your children about these subjects. And I think they probably listen to you more than they listen to even their favorite radio show.
ZOLLER: They do. But I guarantee you when you were 17, there was no show like yours on the air to listen to.
PHILLIPS: Martha says no sex on the radio.
VON HAESSLER: No sex?
PHILLIPS: No sex on the radio? You don't want to talk about sex on the radio? Do you think it's OK to talk about sex on the radio?
VON HAESSLER: Yes. I think it's perfectly OK to talk about sex on the radio. It depends on how you -- look, all of this -- this is going to be controlled. I just think it should be controlled by advertisers and your management, and the people like that. I don't think government coming in and deciding...
ZOLLER: Well, Clear Channel's the management.
VON HAESSLER: Clear Channel didn't fire Bubba the Love Sponge, and you know that. And Clear Channel did not pull Howard Stern. The government fired Bubba the Love Sponge, and the government fired Howard Stern.
And if that is the kind of country...
ZOLLER: Well, it's the responsibility...
VON HAESSLER: If that's the kind of country that you want, then congratulations. You've got it.
ZOLLER: But free speech -- But free speech does not mean you get five million people to listen to what you have to say.
VON HAESSLER: You think they were given to him? You think the five million people were given to him?
You talk about a community standard. I would think being No. 1 on the radio in a community -- that's not the whole story but it should be part of the story, shouldn't it?
ZOLLER: It probably was part of the story, because Howard Stern was far overdue for this.
VON HAESSLER: Why? Because he has too many -- because you don't like the fact that he has such a large audience, and this bothers you? Because people don't agree with you?
ZOLLER: No, he disrespects women.
VON HAESSLER: So listen to something else.
ZOLLER: Well, and I don't watch the show. I wouldn't watch the show.
VON HAESSLER: It's hard. It's on radio.
ZOLLER: I wouldn't listen to the show. Well, he has a TV show, too.
PHILLIPS: So now this policy has -- you got the memo at work. Clear Channel saying you're going to go through these training classes now on indecent material and getting specific on how they want you to behave.
Are you going to go to those classes?
VON HAESSLER: Which camera should I look into? This one?
PHILLIPS: You can look at me.
VON HAESSLER: I can tell my bosses, I can tell anybody that I like I will never attend any class that teaches me about indecency. I turned 40 this year, and I expect to be treated like a 40-year-old person at all times.
ZOLLER: Would you go to a sexual harassment class?
VON HAESSLER: I would not, because I don't harass women. Why do I need a class? I'm 40 years old. I've never harassed a woman in my life.
ZOLLER: That's one thing we can agree on. But you know what? You can work anywhere. You don't have to work for Clear Channel. You don't have to be syndicated.
VON HAESSLER: That's right. That's right.
ZOLLER: If you don't like the rules, you can go somewhere else.
VON HAESSLER: That's right. And if there's something -- If it's true what is in this memo that they're going to put in future contracts, I'm in a country here right now.
And if they're actually going to put this idea in contracts that the talent will be liable for some of the FCC fines, I can tell you and them right now that I won't be working for Clear Channel. And I'll make myself available to other radio stations that will make it possible for me to work in a decent environment. You cannot...
ZOLLER: Howard Stern thought he was irreplaceable, and there are a thousand people that will fill his shoes better than the people...
VON HAESSLER: Really? Really?
ZOLLER: Absolutely.
VON HAESSLER: Ask the audience. That's ridiculous, and you know it.
ZOLLER: It's not ridiculous.
PHILLIPS: Let me ask you both this question.
Eric, do you think when you do things that people deem indecent behavior, is that what draws your listeners in? Do people want to hear that? Here's a prime example. And Martha, I want you to respond to this, too. I'm listening to the show last week. In all fairness, I listen to you guys in the morning. And you've got a porn queen on, OK? And she's talking about her new video and the questions being asked...
VON HAESSLER: Now, you've got to remind me, because these shows just fly through my head.
PHILLIPS: You wanted her to talk about what she did and why she did it and how it was...
VON HAESSLER: Let me ask you something if I had a politician...
PHILLIPS: I was offended, I had to turn it off. I know you. I like you. I think you're smart. I think you're terrific. I need White House clearance to come on your show now. I may never be able to do it again.
VON HAESSLER: I know.
PHILLIPS: But, you know, how is that good, to have a -- I just want to know tell me...
VON HAESSLER: Let me ask you something. What am I supposed to ask a porn queen about, her charity work? If I had a politician on, I would ask him about what bills he had before the House...
PHILLIPS: So why have the porn queen on? Why have a porn queen on?
VON HAESSLER: So what you're saying is porn queens should not be heard from.
PHILLIPS: No, I'm saying that...
VON HAESSLER: You're saying that they should never be on.
PHILLIPS: I'm asking you why have her on?
VON HAESSLER: Because as far as I know, pornography is legal. And as far as I know, many of the people who listen to my show actually purchase that stuff, and you know, these people are stars to my audience. Why not have them on? They know who they are.
PHILLIPS: Because -- Martha, that seems fair. That seems fair. Because people want it.
ZOLLER: You have to admit, you asked her the question about how she did her work, because you wanted to shock people. Not because you wanted to have her on.
VON HAESSLER: No, no, that's your idea. That's your idea of what the show that I'm on is about...
ZOLLER: Well, I wish we could repeat what you said, because we can't...
VON HAESSLER: Do you know what I said? Do you know what I said?
ZOLLER: I know exactly what you said. Yes I do.
VON HAESSLER: What did I say? You tell me.
ZOLLER: I can't repeat it here. I can't repeat it here, because this is supposed to P.G.
VON HAESSLER: You're in D.C. You listen to our show? Why are you listening to the show if you hate it so much?
ZOLLER: Because I know what my children listen to. And they're old enough to make their own...
VON HAESSLER: Your children are fans of my show, and this is what upsets you. And this is why you want the government to come in and do the...
ZOLLER: Absolutely not. Absolutely not.
VON HAESSLER: I don't get it.
ZOLLER: Why do you want to put this on me? That's what liberals always do. They want to put it on the person who's questioning them...
VON HAESSLER: Well, I've been called a liberal. That's good.
ZOLLER: ... instead of answering the question.
VON HAESSLER: That's good.
ZOLLER: Hey, you are one, believe me.
VON HAESSLER: I'm a liberal?
PHILLIPS: Let me ask you guys...
ZOLLER: You've got to be a liberal to talk about the subjects you talk about.
PHILLIPS: You say you're going on strike tomorrow. You're not even going to show up tomorrow.
VON HAESSLER: No, I'm not going to work tomorrow.
ZOLLER: Good.
VON HAESSLER: Martha.
PHILLIPS: Martha's happy about that.
VON HAESSLER: I couldn't do it myself, but if I can get the government to come in and take the shows that I don't like off the air that's fine with me.
ZOLLER: The government's not doing it. Clear Channel's making a business decision.
VON HAESSLER: No. That's a lie and you know that.
ZOLLER: It's not a lie.
VON HAESSLER: Clear Channel's doing it. Do you think that if the government wasn't putting pressure on Clear Channel, they would just wake up one morning, decide to start firing their No. 1 talent...
ZOLLER: You don't think that the public is putting pressure on all institutions on this issue right now...
VON HAESSLER: Why are they No. 1? Because nobody's listening?
ZOLLER: Who is No. 1?
VON HAESSLER: Bubba the Love Sponge was not my cup of tea, was No. 1 in his market. I know that for a fact.
ZOLLER: Well, and you know what? Someone else...
VON HAESSLER: Howard Stern is the most popular radio personality that I know.
PHILLIPS: So, Martha, what does that say about people that are tuning in and making these shows No. 1?
ZOLLER: I think there is a certain amount of voyeurism that goes along.
And you know what? If people want to listen to that, that's fine. But if Clear Channel, as a company, that's publicly traded, believes it's bad for business, they have the right to do what they're doing. And Eric has the right to go find another job.
That's what the American...
VON HAESSLER: And you have -- you have the right to be happy that the government finally helped you be a better mother, because we'll be off the air and your kids will not be able to listen to us.
ZOLLER: No. The government has nothing to do with this. It is public opinion.
VON HAESSLER: Really?
ZOLLER: That's what we do.
VON HAESSLER: You don't believe that.
ZOLLER: Yes, really. I do believe that.
VON HAESSLER: You're a shock jock, because you do not believe that. You know that's not true.
ZOLLER: I do believe that.
PHILLIPS: Instead of going on strike, why not just have sort a boring show tomorrow? Why not? Just don't push the edge.
VON HAESSLER: No.
ZOLLER: That's a good idea.
VON HAESSLER: Oh, yes, let's all have boring shows. That's the kind of radio landscape that we need.
PHILLIPS: I'm just throwing out a question, that's all. I'm trying to be the unbiased person.
VON HAESSLER: We're not going in tomorrow. We're not going to go back in until Clear Channel...
ZOLLER: Eric I'll put you out a challenge. Let's do a show together...
VON HAESSLER: Yes.
ZOLLER: ... and I'll show you we can do the show nice and clean and people will love it.
PHILLIPS: You know what?
VON HAESSLER: Hold on...
PHILLIPS: I'm going to leave it there. We're get -- we're being told -- No, seriously, you guys, I want you -- Eric, think about that.
VON HAESSLER: Yes.
PHILLIPS: Just think about what she said. Martha.
VON HAESSLER: Am I going to get my shameless plug in?
PHILLIPS: Martha, I want you to think about that. We're going to bring you two back after you do that show. Will you do the show with her?
ZOLLER: I'll be happy to do that.
PHILLIPS: Will you do the show?
VO NHAESSLER: As long as I can get my shameless plug in here.
PHILLIPS: Plug the web site.
VON HAESSLER: Madpundit.com. M-A-D-P-U-N-D-I-T dot com.
PHILLIPS: Martha, you got a shameless plug?
ZOLLER: Yes, MarthaZoller.com.
PHILLIPS: All right, you two, I'm bringing you back. I can't wait to see the show. Thank, guys.
VON HAESSLER: Thank you.
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Aired February 26, 2004 - 13:31 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
KYRA PHILLIPS, ANCHOR: Well, today, a lot of deejays are saying, thanks a lot, Janet Jackson.
In the wake of that infamous Super Bowl half time strip stunt, the FCC has cracked down -- like that little graphic there? -- on the slippery issue of broadcast decency.
As a result, Clear Channel slapped a corporate muzzle on Howard Stern, and Bubba the Love Sponge was fired outright. Some wonder who's next.
Joining us to talk about standards and shock jocks, Eric Von Haessler. He's co-host of "The Regular Guys" morning show on the Clear Channel-owned 96 Rock here in Atlanta.
And joining us from Washington, Martha Zoller, who has her own daily radio talk show out of Atlanta.
Good morning, Martha.
Eric, good to have you.
MARTHA ZOLER, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Hi, guys.
VON HAESSLER: I'm wondering who's next. I'm wondering if it's me.
PHILLIPS: Yes, I kind of wondered if it's going to be you.
All right. Let's talk about this policy right here. Clear Channel Communications saying a zero tolerance broadcast policy designed to keep indecent material off the airwaves.
What do you think about that?
VON HAESSLER: I think it makes no sense. How can you have a zero tolerance policy for something that's not defined? Indecency? They've never defined it.
You know, if you told me, here's 10 words you can't say, here's three or four things, subjects that you can't go in to, maybe I can understand it. But zero tolerance for something that's not defined seems ridiculous.
PHILLIPS: How do you define indecency? What's your definition of indecent material?
VON HAESSLER: That's a hard question. I mean, it's a subjective thing, right? What offends me may not offend you.
PHILLIPS: What do you think it is?
VON HAESSLER: I was offended by the Janet Jackson thing, because I thought she did it at the wrong place. I mean, it's family friendly. It's the half time show at the Super Bowl. You don't do it there.
I don't know that I found it -- yes, I would say I thought that was indecent because of the audience.
PHILLIPS: Martha, how do you define indecency?
ZOLLER: Well, indecency is one of those things that is -- is very communal. It means that some people are going to look at it one way, some people are going to look at it another way. The Supreme Court has upheld that.
The problem is when you've got radio that's syndicated in a lot of different places, you've got a lot of different community standards.
And it's one of those things, you know it when you see it. And you should know it if you've crossed over it.
You can't talk about sex on the radio. You shouldn't talk about sex on the radio.
And you've got to understand there is a responsibility -- even Eric. I mean, Eric's got a lot of teenage boys, 17, 18, 19, 20 -- I know, I've got three of them living in my house -- that listen to them every day.
VON HAESSLER: Yes.
ZOLLER: Because you can't control everything. And if you knew -- I know that's not your target audience, Eric, but you've got a lot of 17, 18, 19-year-old kids that are listening and are thinking you're great guys and they want to be just like you...
VON HAESSLER: And when I was 17, I didn't listen to me and I still thought about subjects like that and we still...
ZOLLER: But there's nothing like you...
VON HAESSLER: No, we still talked about things like that. And I didn't invent the subject. And I think if you're -- I assume you're a good parent. I'm not going to say that you're not.
But if you're a good parent, you talk to your children about these subjects. And I think they probably listen to you more than they listen to even their favorite radio show.
ZOLLER: They do. But I guarantee you when you were 17, there was no show like yours on the air to listen to.
PHILLIPS: Martha says no sex on the radio.
VON HAESSLER: No sex?
PHILLIPS: No sex on the radio? You don't want to talk about sex on the radio? Do you think it's OK to talk about sex on the radio?
VON HAESSLER: Yes. I think it's perfectly OK to talk about sex on the radio. It depends on how you -- look, all of this -- this is going to be controlled. I just think it should be controlled by advertisers and your management, and the people like that. I don't think government coming in and deciding...
ZOLLER: Well, Clear Channel's the management.
VON HAESSLER: Clear Channel didn't fire Bubba the Love Sponge, and you know that. And Clear Channel did not pull Howard Stern. The government fired Bubba the Love Sponge, and the government fired Howard Stern.
And if that is the kind of country...
ZOLLER: Well, it's the responsibility...
VON HAESSLER: If that's the kind of country that you want, then congratulations. You've got it.
ZOLLER: But free speech -- But free speech does not mean you get five million people to listen to what you have to say.
VON HAESSLER: You think they were given to him? You think the five million people were given to him?
You talk about a community standard. I would think being No. 1 on the radio in a community -- that's not the whole story but it should be part of the story, shouldn't it?
ZOLLER: It probably was part of the story, because Howard Stern was far overdue for this.
VON HAESSLER: Why? Because he has too many -- because you don't like the fact that he has such a large audience, and this bothers you? Because people don't agree with you?
ZOLLER: No, he disrespects women.
VON HAESSLER: So listen to something else.
ZOLLER: Well, and I don't watch the show. I wouldn't watch the show.
VON HAESSLER: It's hard. It's on radio.
ZOLLER: I wouldn't listen to the show. Well, he has a TV show, too.
PHILLIPS: So now this policy has -- you got the memo at work. Clear Channel saying you're going to go through these training classes now on indecent material and getting specific on how they want you to behave.
Are you going to go to those classes?
VON HAESSLER: Which camera should I look into? This one?
PHILLIPS: You can look at me.
VON HAESSLER: I can tell my bosses, I can tell anybody that I like I will never attend any class that teaches me about indecency. I turned 40 this year, and I expect to be treated like a 40-year-old person at all times.
ZOLLER: Would you go to a sexual harassment class?
VON HAESSLER: I would not, because I don't harass women. Why do I need a class? I'm 40 years old. I've never harassed a woman in my life.
ZOLLER: That's one thing we can agree on. But you know what? You can work anywhere. You don't have to work for Clear Channel. You don't have to be syndicated.
VON HAESSLER: That's right. That's right.
ZOLLER: If you don't like the rules, you can go somewhere else.
VON HAESSLER: That's right. And if there's something -- If it's true what is in this memo that they're going to put in future contracts, I'm in a country here right now.
And if they're actually going to put this idea in contracts that the talent will be liable for some of the FCC fines, I can tell you and them right now that I won't be working for Clear Channel. And I'll make myself available to other radio stations that will make it possible for me to work in a decent environment. You cannot...
ZOLLER: Howard Stern thought he was irreplaceable, and there are a thousand people that will fill his shoes better than the people...
VON HAESSLER: Really? Really?
ZOLLER: Absolutely.
VON HAESSLER: Ask the audience. That's ridiculous, and you know it.
ZOLLER: It's not ridiculous.
PHILLIPS: Let me ask you both this question.
Eric, do you think when you do things that people deem indecent behavior, is that what draws your listeners in? Do people want to hear that? Here's a prime example. And Martha, I want you to respond to this, too. I'm listening to the show last week. In all fairness, I listen to you guys in the morning. And you've got a porn queen on, OK? And she's talking about her new video and the questions being asked...
VON HAESSLER: Now, you've got to remind me, because these shows just fly through my head.
PHILLIPS: You wanted her to talk about what she did and why she did it and how it was...
VON HAESSLER: Let me ask you something if I had a politician...
PHILLIPS: I was offended, I had to turn it off. I know you. I like you. I think you're smart. I think you're terrific. I need White House clearance to come on your show now. I may never be able to do it again.
VON HAESSLER: I know.
PHILLIPS: But, you know, how is that good, to have a -- I just want to know tell me...
VON HAESSLER: Let me ask you something. What am I supposed to ask a porn queen about, her charity work? If I had a politician on, I would ask him about what bills he had before the House...
PHILLIPS: So why have the porn queen on? Why have a porn queen on?
VON HAESSLER: So what you're saying is porn queens should not be heard from.
PHILLIPS: No, I'm saying that...
VON HAESSLER: You're saying that they should never be on.
PHILLIPS: I'm asking you why have her on?
VON HAESSLER: Because as far as I know, pornography is legal. And as far as I know, many of the people who listen to my show actually purchase that stuff, and you know, these people are stars to my audience. Why not have them on? They know who they are.
PHILLIPS: Because -- Martha, that seems fair. That seems fair. Because people want it.
ZOLLER: You have to admit, you asked her the question about how she did her work, because you wanted to shock people. Not because you wanted to have her on.
VON HAESSLER: No, no, that's your idea. That's your idea of what the show that I'm on is about...
ZOLLER: Well, I wish we could repeat what you said, because we can't...
VON HAESSLER: Do you know what I said? Do you know what I said?
ZOLLER: I know exactly what you said. Yes I do.
VON HAESSLER: What did I say? You tell me.
ZOLLER: I can't repeat it here. I can't repeat it here, because this is supposed to P.G.
VON HAESSLER: You're in D.C. You listen to our show? Why are you listening to the show if you hate it so much?
ZOLLER: Because I know what my children listen to. And they're old enough to make their own...
VON HAESSLER: Your children are fans of my show, and this is what upsets you. And this is why you want the government to come in and do the...
ZOLLER: Absolutely not. Absolutely not.
VON HAESSLER: I don't get it.
ZOLLER: Why do you want to put this on me? That's what liberals always do. They want to put it on the person who's questioning them...
VON HAESSLER: Well, I've been called a liberal. That's good.
ZOLLER: ... instead of answering the question.
VON HAESSLER: That's good.
ZOLLER: Hey, you are one, believe me.
VON HAESSLER: I'm a liberal?
PHILLIPS: Let me ask you guys...
ZOLLER: You've got to be a liberal to talk about the subjects you talk about.
PHILLIPS: You say you're going on strike tomorrow. You're not even going to show up tomorrow.
VON HAESSLER: No, I'm not going to work tomorrow.
ZOLLER: Good.
VON HAESSLER: Martha.
PHILLIPS: Martha's happy about that.
VON HAESSLER: I couldn't do it myself, but if I can get the government to come in and take the shows that I don't like off the air that's fine with me.
ZOLLER: The government's not doing it. Clear Channel's making a business decision.
VON HAESSLER: No. That's a lie and you know that.
ZOLLER: It's not a lie.
VON HAESSLER: Clear Channel's doing it. Do you think that if the government wasn't putting pressure on Clear Channel, they would just wake up one morning, decide to start firing their No. 1 talent...
ZOLLER: You don't think that the public is putting pressure on all institutions on this issue right now...
VON HAESSLER: Why are they No. 1? Because nobody's listening?
ZOLLER: Who is No. 1?
VON HAESSLER: Bubba the Love Sponge was not my cup of tea, was No. 1 in his market. I know that for a fact.
ZOLLER: Well, and you know what? Someone else...
VON HAESSLER: Howard Stern is the most popular radio personality that I know.
PHILLIPS: So, Martha, what does that say about people that are tuning in and making these shows No. 1?
ZOLLER: I think there is a certain amount of voyeurism that goes along.
And you know what? If people want to listen to that, that's fine. But if Clear Channel, as a company, that's publicly traded, believes it's bad for business, they have the right to do what they're doing. And Eric has the right to go find another job.
That's what the American...
VON HAESSLER: And you have -- you have the right to be happy that the government finally helped you be a better mother, because we'll be off the air and your kids will not be able to listen to us.
ZOLLER: No. The government has nothing to do with this. It is public opinion.
VON HAESSLER: Really?
ZOLLER: That's what we do.
VON HAESSLER: You don't believe that.
ZOLLER: Yes, really. I do believe that.
VON HAESSLER: You're a shock jock, because you do not believe that. You know that's not true.
ZOLLER: I do believe that.
PHILLIPS: Instead of going on strike, why not just have sort a boring show tomorrow? Why not? Just don't push the edge.
VON HAESSLER: No.
ZOLLER: That's a good idea.
VON HAESSLER: Oh, yes, let's all have boring shows. That's the kind of radio landscape that we need.
PHILLIPS: I'm just throwing out a question, that's all. I'm trying to be the unbiased person.
VON HAESSLER: We're not going in tomorrow. We're not going to go back in until Clear Channel...
ZOLLER: Eric I'll put you out a challenge. Let's do a show together...
VON HAESSLER: Yes.
ZOLLER: ... and I'll show you we can do the show nice and clean and people will love it.
PHILLIPS: You know what?
VON HAESSLER: Hold on...
PHILLIPS: I'm going to leave it there. We're get -- we're being told -- No, seriously, you guys, I want you -- Eric, think about that.
VON HAESSLER: Yes.
PHILLIPS: Just think about what she said. Martha.
VON HAESSLER: Am I going to get my shameless plug in?
PHILLIPS: Martha, I want you to think about that. We're going to bring you two back after you do that show. Will you do the show with her?
ZOLLER: I'll be happy to do that.
PHILLIPS: Will you do the show?
VO NHAESSLER: As long as I can get my shameless plug in here.
PHILLIPS: Plug the web site.
VON HAESSLER: Madpundit.com. M-A-D-P-U-N-D-I-T dot com.
PHILLIPS: Martha, you got a shameless plug?
ZOLLER: Yes, MarthaZoller.com.
PHILLIPS: All right, you two, I'm bringing you back. I can't wait to see the show. Thank, guys.
VON HAESSLER: Thank you.
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