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Separatists Blamed for Fatal Madrid Bombings; Bertuzzi Suspension Has Hockey Fans Talking

Aired March 11, 2004 - 13:30   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: Officials in Spain are blaming the Basque separatist group ETA for devastating rush hour terrorist attacks in Madrid. At least 190 people were killed when three separate trains were hit by near simultaneous explosions. More than 1,200 other people were wounded.
ETA is designated a terrorist group by both the U.S. and the European Union. Leaders from around the world are condemning that attack.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JACQUES CHIRAC, FRENCH PRESIDENT (through translator): I would like, first of all, to talk about the terrible attacks that took place this morning in Spain.

In my name and in the name of the French people, I offer my sincere condolences to the Spanish prime minister, the government and the Spanish people.

France, of course, condemns these attacks of terrorism and offers its solidarity with Spain to fight against this abominable scourge. Nothing ever justifies the barbarism. Democracy should and will unit to fight against this weakness.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PHILLIPS: A robotic submarine may have found the bodies of three people missing since a water taxi capsized last weekend in Baltimore's Inner Harbor. Authorities say they're sending divers to explore further.

Twenty-five people were aboard the boat when strong winds flipped it over. Two passengers, other than those missing, have died.

Authorities say four passengers are killed when a military plane crashed while trying to land last night in San Diego. Cessna Citation 560 was about a half mile short of the runway at the Marine Corps Air Station Miramar when it went down.

Authorities say the cause of the crash is unclear.

Sources tell CNN a small group of U.S. military forces has been supporting Chad's military in a running gun battle with Algerian terrorists. Sources say U.S. forces have been providing communications, intelligence and reconnaissance support. No U.S. troops are involved in combat.

Well, the NHL has suspended Vancouver Canucks all-star forward Todd Bertuzzi until at least next season.

During a game Monday night, Bertuzzi punched Steve Moore of the Colorado Avalanche from behind and drove him into the ice. Moore ended up with a broken neck, a concussion, and several cuts on his face.

The NHL will decide before the start of next season training camp whether to extend Bertuzzi's suspension. The league says it will take into account how Moore's recovering.

Vancouver general manager Brian Burke reacted to Bertuzzi's suspension.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BRIAN BURKE, VANCOUVER CANUCKS GENERAL MANAGER: What he is is a great hockey player and he's an excellent human being. And there's some people in this marketplace because he's not warm and fuzzy with you, you've taken this opportunity to kick the crap out of him. And I think it's been just shameful.

I don't think people have focused on everything he's done as a player, the excitement and success he's brought to this community, how involved he is in this community, what a good father he is, what a good husband he is. I'm proud to have him on my team. I'm proud to call him my friend and I'm proud to call him my teammate.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PHILLIPS: Fans, players, and members of the sports media have all had plenty to say about what happened Monday night in Vancouver.

Let's bring in Kevin Paul Dupont. He's a senior staff writer and hockey columnist for "The Boston Globe." Two years ago, he was named a media honoree of the hockey hall of fame.

Nice to see you, Kevin.

KEVIN PAUL DUPONT, "BOSTON GLOBE": Nice to see you, Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Well, let's talk about the NHL. The team now fined a quarter mill. Bertuzzi's out for the season. Is this fair? Is this enough?

DUPONT: Kyra, I think right now it's on the light side. It's the 12 games in the regular season. It's potentially 28 more games if Vancouver were to push the playoffs, four series at seven games.

So I would suspect if Vancouver goes out quickly, that when they do revisit this at the start of the next hockey season, whenever that is -- and of course that's an issue, too, I would suspect if he's short of 40, they'll at least get him up to 40. And it could even be more. PHILLIPS: Now there's a criminal investigation also at hand. Explain how this plays into the whole scenario. How does that come forward, and when do we find out results of that?

DUPONT: Well, a sports writer commenting on legal matters can be dangerous. But four years ago, Donald Brashear got hit by Marty McSorley, who was a defenseman here in Boston. And he was convicted of assault with a deadly weapon, this was McSorley.

Suspended eventually -- suspended by the league and eventually for a year by the league. In the court of law, found guilty, assault with a deadly weapon, and it was 18 months suspended and eventually the record cleaned.

PHILLIPS: Well, McSorley's career kind of crashed after that, though, right?

DUPONT: It did. And he was at the end of the rainbow anyway. He had had a lot years in. I don't think he was going to play much. Wasn't playing well at the time anyway. I think there was a measure of frustration there.

So his career ended. And now he's a coach here in Springfield, Massachusetts, in the American league.

PHILLIPS: Now Kevin, didn't Bertuzzi come out at that time and say that what McSorley did was just unacceptable?

DUPONT: He certainly did. And he was right. And he's right now, what he did was unacceptable a couple of nights ago.

Not only was it unacceptable, Kyra, it was cowardly. And that gives it a different patina if you will, to be that cowardly and with that amount of energy.

And I don't buy the argument that he snapped. He clearly, if you watch that tape over and over, he clearly stalked the player, hectored him from behind, and then hits him from behind. So I don't buy the snap argument.

I do buy that he's contrite and he's repentant now, but I don't know what that means.

PHILLIPS: Now, let's talk about the notion that it was premeditated. OK? It was a week before Avalanche playing the Canucks. I think we have the video of this also.

DUPONT: A couple of weeks.

PHILLIPS: Steve Moore hit Marcus Naslund, and it was basically the attitude "I'm going to get you; you're going to pay for this."

So now, you know, a couple of weeks later you have this incident. Would that work, this premeditated notion that they were going to get even? DUPONT: I think that's very much in play here. And if you look at that hit -- I think it was on February 16, actually, it's a gray area hit. It's not the worst hit I've ever seen, but not that clean. And you can bring a player to task for that.

And that's been a frontier justice element of hockey for a very long time. But this went so far beyond the pale of what is accepted within the unwritten rules.

And, in fact, earlier in the evening, Steve Moore did have to fight Matt Cook on the other side. Bertuzzi wasn't satisfied with that and it is, very clearly, again, by the tape, premeditated.

PHILLIPS: All right. Let's roll that apology from Bertuzzi, and then I have a question for you.

DUPONT: Sure.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TODD BERTUZZI, SUSPENDED VANCOUVER CANUCKS FORWARD: Steve, I just want to apologize for what happened out there. That I had no intention of hurting you. And I feel awful for what transpired.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PHILLIPS: I don't know. I have a hard time feeling sorry for him.

DUPONT: No, it is, and I'm -- let's be honest he had almost 48 hours to craft what he said, knowing well that his words were measured.

And let's not forget, too, he appeared at the hearing as he should have. Marty McSorley didn't four years ago. The people on other side of the table are human, too. If he showed up and sounded sincere, I'm sure that was a mitigating circumstance.

PHILLIPS: You brought up an interesting point. You said "accepted in unwritten rules." At which point does the NHL say, "All right. Let's not let these fights continue. Let's get a little stricter"?

I mean in NASCAR, a week ago, one of the drivers got fined and busted and put on probation for cussing.

DUPONT: Right. Right.

PHILLIPS: I mean, these guys are breaking bones.

DUPONT: Well, they fight in the NHL, but they don't swear. Let's make that clear.

PHILLIPS: Under their breath.

DUPONT: Yes, that's right. I have to give the NHL its due. For the last 15 or 20 years it has made great strides in cleaning up the game.

If you watched it as late as the '70s and into the '80s there were huge bench-clearing brawls and fights on the ice, fights into the stands sometimes. We really don't see that any more. So I'll give it its credit for cleaning it up.

This element, I really don't know how you clean up someone who goes, as I say, so far beyond the pale. This isn't fighting; this is assault. This would be assault in the stands.

If you were sitting in the front row of the Fleet Center in Boston Garden, or the Fleet Center with a Yankees' cap on and the guy three rows back jumped you from behind and beat on you, it really wouldn't be any different from what Bertuzzi did two nights ago.

PHILLIPS: You hit it. It's pretty cowardly. Kevin Paul Dupont, thanks for your time.

DUPONT: My pleasure, Kyra.

PHILLIPS: All right.

Straight ahead, a new treatment in the battle against breast cancer. Can a new method for fighting the disease give older women a better chance?

And this new look swimsuit may give the fish a run for their money. Jeanne Moos explains later on LIVE FROM.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PHILLIPS: Back now to Madrid, where three days of mourning and nationwide demonstrations are being called in the aftermath of Spain's worst terror attack in modern history.

CNN's Alessio Vinci joins us now outside the city morgue -- Alessio.

ALESSIO VINCI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: hello, Kyra.

Actually, I am outside a convention center, very near the Madrid's airport, where Spanish officials have set up a makeshift morgue, where throughout the afternoon and this evening, vans carrying the bodies of the victims of this morning's attack have been brought here.

We've seen in the last couple of hours a good dozen of those vans, escorted by police, entering this building right behind me. This is where the Spanish officials are beginning the long identification process of these victims.

According to one Spanish official -- official here, so far, 179 bodies have been brought here. Of those, 50 have been already identified, as well. And the Spanish official also telling us that at least six boxes carrying some human remains have also been brought here. Of course, very difficult procedure here in trying to identify the body remains. One Red Cross official telling us that the nature of the blast is making this identification process extremely hard. So hard, in fact, that we understand from Spanish television that a group of Israel forensic experts are expected to arrive here at some point tomorrow.

Also inside here, some of the families -- some of the relatives of the victims have arrived. The Red Cross also trying to take care of them. Of course it is very difficult for them to first go through the identification process. But they themselves will need some help, some psychological help provided by doctors, as well as some psychologists and some priests.

Back to you, Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Alessio Vinci, live from Madrid, thank you.

Other news around the world now, more deadly bomb blasts in Iraq.

One roadside bomb went off in Fallujah as a large U.S. convoy passed by. No Americans were reported injured, but one Iraqi was killed. A U.S. troop did die -- or a U.S. soldier, rather, did die, however in a bomb attack in Baqubah (ph), just north of Baghdad.

No early parole for Manuel Noriega. The U.S. Parole Commission has denied the former Panamanian dictator's request denied to be released early from his Florida prison cell.

As you may remember, he's serving 30 years on a drug trafficking conviction, with time off for good behavior. Noriega is due to be released in 2007.

A federal judge who sentenced Noriega had recommended early release saying Noriega just wanted to spend time with his grandchildren.

Canadian authorities concerned about pork produced on a British Columbia pig farm. The farmer was arrested in connection with the murders of 15 women. Remains of as many as 23 were found on the farm. Authorities are concerned the meat may be contaminated. That pork was only sold locally.

In health news, it's damage control time for a Baltimore hospital that allegedly gave out bad HIV and hepatitis test results. Maryland health officials say lab techs at Maryland General Hospital ignored error warnings in hundreds of tests. They sent the patients the results anyway.

In fact, inspectors found that as many as 15 percent of test results over a 14-month period may be wrong. The hospital is trying to contact everyone to come back in for a free retest.

Tamoxifen has been credited with cutting breast cancer death rates worldwide. But a new study shows that a new drug called exemestane may be more effective. Showing those who switched to the new drug were less likely to have localized tumors return after surgery. They also had less serious side effects and were less likely to develop in other breast or develop other cancers in other parts of the body.

The study appears in the current issue of "The New England Journal of Medicine."

Straight ahead, built for speed and ready for gold. More innovations in the world of Olympic swimming could mean more wins. But maybe not in the world of fashion.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

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PHILLIPS: Live now to Capitol Hill. Tom Daschle getting ready to introduce Senator John Kerry. He'll be addressing reporters.

As you know, it's a story we've been talking about. Looking for a little bit of clarification from Senator Kerry on some off the cuff comments that he made yesterday about Republicans being crooked. He didn't necessarily know he was still on mic.

We'll see if he makes comments about that. Let's listen in.

SEN. JOHN KERRY (D-MA), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Tom, thank you.

It was a strange thing for me to suddenly be back and have a real lunch with my colleagues, after the last months of Styrofoam meal on the trail. But I'm proud to be back here, proud to stand with these Democrats who are fighting hard for the real priorities of our country.

Just this past month, the Bush administration has announced that they only lost 3,000 manufacturing jobs. And for every month that they've been in office, manufacturing jobs by the tens and hundreds of thousands and millions have been leaving our country.

Over six months ago or more, they announced that they would appoint a manufacturing czar for our country. But despite the loss of manufacturing jobs, they never thought it was important enough to actually follow through on that until very recently.

And then it turns out that the person they choose had cut the workforce by 17 percent and built a plant in China and have themselves said that they didn't really want to have to do this. It wasn't good for America. But they were forced to do it because they didn't get any help.

Their manufacturing czar, the person they chose, has been a poster person for the very depths of their policy that have affected millions of Americans negatively across our country.

Every Senator standing here has a better sense of priorities of how we put people back to work. And we put people back to work by being fair, by closing loopholes, by investing in education, by investing in job training, by investing in manufacturing, all choices that the Bush administration doesn't want to talk about, hasn't talked about, and chooses to ignore.

Those are the real priorities of those election, and I intend to keep talking about them right through election day. And hopefully, if the American people will trust me with the presidency, we'll put America back to work.

Thank you.

Can we -- we'll just do them one at a time, one at a time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you think it says about the administration that they're having such difficulty filling this job, where the jobs are?

KERRY: I don't think the administration is really serious about it. If they were serious about it, they'd have a real plan. They wouldn't cut the manufacturing extension program by 90 percent. Ninety percent.

They wouldn't cut science and technology and research, which are the engines of the creation of jobs.

They wouldn't make it harder for our students to actually go to college, to get the skills and be able to move into the job of the future.

In every respect, there is one policy from this administration, a tax cut for the wealthiest people in America, at the expense of the real priorities. We're going to change that. We're going to put the priorities of the American people on the table. We're going to address them. We're going to put America back on track.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Vietnam -- brought up. In 1971, you appeared with a man named Al Hubbard on "Meet the Press." Al Hubbard later turned out to have fabricated the Vietnam War record.

Do you repudiate Al Hubbard, and are you still in contact with Al Hubbard, who was the executive director of your group?

KERRY: I haven't talked to Al Hubbard since that week, and everybody was disappointed by what they learned back in 1971. To his credit, he did serve his nation. He had simply exaggerated his particular position. But nobody knew it at the time. And those things happen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does that affected credibility, do you think...

KERRY: No. You're going back 31 years. I think our credibility was tremendous. I think that was one of the most moving and important weeks in the effort to end a war that needed to be ended. And I'm proud of the role I played in helping to do that. And I think people all over the country joined together, in trying to get our servicemen home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... calling on you to apologize for the words in Chicago. What's your response to that?

KERRY: I have no intention whatsoever of apologizing for my remarks. I think these -- I think the Republicans need to start talking about the real issues before the country.

I understand they're going to start a series of attack ads on me tonight, on three topics that have nothing to do with health care for Americans, nothing to do with jobs for Americans, nothing to do with jobs for Americans, nothing to do with education for our kids, nothing to do with cleaner air or cleaner water, nothing to do with making America safer in this world.

They can't talk about those things, because George Bush doesn't have a record to run on. He has a record to run away from, and that's what they're trying to do.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... coordinate a legislative agenda then with Senator Daschle, as well. The Republicans say that the plan really is just obstructionism for the future.

KERRY: There's not a senator here who wants to obstruct anything. They would like to pass a budget that's fiscally responsible and doesn't add debt burden to our children.

Every senator here would like to pass health care for all Americans tomorrow. Every senator here would like to fulfill the promise of No Child Left Behind and make sure our kids have good schools to go to school in.

Every Senator here would like to go forward, not backward, on clean air, clean water. Give us a real agenda, and the United States Senate can do real work. But if the work is to move America backwards, I will stand with my colleagues in fighting for the real priorities of the American people.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who are the liars and crooks?

Yes, let me ask you who are these attack ads you're just describing different from your comments in Chicago? I mean, can Republicans turn around and say that that was an attack on them?

KERRY: I haven't -- I haven't said anything that's incorrect about them and they've said lots things that are incorrect. You can go through the list.

Look, this is what they did to John McCain in South Carolina. They challenged John McCain's record as a prisoner of war. There were people out there calling him the -- the most unbelievable things.

They did the same thing to our colleague and friend, Max Cleland, who left three limbs open the battlefield in Vietnam and they challenged his patriotism. There is a Republican attack squad that specializes in try to destroy people and be negative. I think the president needs to talk about the real priorities of our country and that's what we're looking at.

SEN. TOM DASCHLE (D-SD), MINORITY LEADER: Thank you all very much.

KERRY: Thank you very much. Thank you.

PHILLIPS: Senator John Kerry there on Capitol Hill, surrounded by fellow Democratic Senators there.

Right then, though, responding to questionable comments that he made yesterday in Chicago. You may remember the off the cuff comments that he referred to Republicans as being all crooked.

John Kerry being asked that question by reporters. He said he was talking specifically about Republican -- the Republican attack squad that he says is out there to diminish certain individuals and not talking about the issues at hand. He's talking jobs, health care, and education.

As you know, Kerry now has enough delegates to claim the Democratic nomination. He continues to push for the presidency.

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Suspension Has Hockey Fans Talking>


Aired March 11, 2004 - 13:30   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: Officials in Spain are blaming the Basque separatist group ETA for devastating rush hour terrorist attacks in Madrid. At least 190 people were killed when three separate trains were hit by near simultaneous explosions. More than 1,200 other people were wounded.
ETA is designated a terrorist group by both the U.S. and the European Union. Leaders from around the world are condemning that attack.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JACQUES CHIRAC, FRENCH PRESIDENT (through translator): I would like, first of all, to talk about the terrible attacks that took place this morning in Spain.

In my name and in the name of the French people, I offer my sincere condolences to the Spanish prime minister, the government and the Spanish people.

France, of course, condemns these attacks of terrorism and offers its solidarity with Spain to fight against this abominable scourge. Nothing ever justifies the barbarism. Democracy should and will unit to fight against this weakness.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PHILLIPS: A robotic submarine may have found the bodies of three people missing since a water taxi capsized last weekend in Baltimore's Inner Harbor. Authorities say they're sending divers to explore further.

Twenty-five people were aboard the boat when strong winds flipped it over. Two passengers, other than those missing, have died.

Authorities say four passengers are killed when a military plane crashed while trying to land last night in San Diego. Cessna Citation 560 was about a half mile short of the runway at the Marine Corps Air Station Miramar when it went down.

Authorities say the cause of the crash is unclear.

Sources tell CNN a small group of U.S. military forces has been supporting Chad's military in a running gun battle with Algerian terrorists. Sources say U.S. forces have been providing communications, intelligence and reconnaissance support. No U.S. troops are involved in combat.

Well, the NHL has suspended Vancouver Canucks all-star forward Todd Bertuzzi until at least next season.

During a game Monday night, Bertuzzi punched Steve Moore of the Colorado Avalanche from behind and drove him into the ice. Moore ended up with a broken neck, a concussion, and several cuts on his face.

The NHL will decide before the start of next season training camp whether to extend Bertuzzi's suspension. The league says it will take into account how Moore's recovering.

Vancouver general manager Brian Burke reacted to Bertuzzi's suspension.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BRIAN BURKE, VANCOUVER CANUCKS GENERAL MANAGER: What he is is a great hockey player and he's an excellent human being. And there's some people in this marketplace because he's not warm and fuzzy with you, you've taken this opportunity to kick the crap out of him. And I think it's been just shameful.

I don't think people have focused on everything he's done as a player, the excitement and success he's brought to this community, how involved he is in this community, what a good father he is, what a good husband he is. I'm proud to have him on my team. I'm proud to call him my friend and I'm proud to call him my teammate.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PHILLIPS: Fans, players, and members of the sports media have all had plenty to say about what happened Monday night in Vancouver.

Let's bring in Kevin Paul Dupont. He's a senior staff writer and hockey columnist for "The Boston Globe." Two years ago, he was named a media honoree of the hockey hall of fame.

Nice to see you, Kevin.

KEVIN PAUL DUPONT, "BOSTON GLOBE": Nice to see you, Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Well, let's talk about the NHL. The team now fined a quarter mill. Bertuzzi's out for the season. Is this fair? Is this enough?

DUPONT: Kyra, I think right now it's on the light side. It's the 12 games in the regular season. It's potentially 28 more games if Vancouver were to push the playoffs, four series at seven games.

So I would suspect if Vancouver goes out quickly, that when they do revisit this at the start of the next hockey season, whenever that is -- and of course that's an issue, too, I would suspect if he's short of 40, they'll at least get him up to 40. And it could even be more. PHILLIPS: Now there's a criminal investigation also at hand. Explain how this plays into the whole scenario. How does that come forward, and when do we find out results of that?

DUPONT: Well, a sports writer commenting on legal matters can be dangerous. But four years ago, Donald Brashear got hit by Marty McSorley, who was a defenseman here in Boston. And he was convicted of assault with a deadly weapon, this was McSorley.

Suspended eventually -- suspended by the league and eventually for a year by the league. In the court of law, found guilty, assault with a deadly weapon, and it was 18 months suspended and eventually the record cleaned.

PHILLIPS: Well, McSorley's career kind of crashed after that, though, right?

DUPONT: It did. And he was at the end of the rainbow anyway. He had had a lot years in. I don't think he was going to play much. Wasn't playing well at the time anyway. I think there was a measure of frustration there.

So his career ended. And now he's a coach here in Springfield, Massachusetts, in the American league.

PHILLIPS: Now Kevin, didn't Bertuzzi come out at that time and say that what McSorley did was just unacceptable?

DUPONT: He certainly did. And he was right. And he's right now, what he did was unacceptable a couple of nights ago.

Not only was it unacceptable, Kyra, it was cowardly. And that gives it a different patina if you will, to be that cowardly and with that amount of energy.

And I don't buy the argument that he snapped. He clearly, if you watch that tape over and over, he clearly stalked the player, hectored him from behind, and then hits him from behind. So I don't buy the snap argument.

I do buy that he's contrite and he's repentant now, but I don't know what that means.

PHILLIPS: Now, let's talk about the notion that it was premeditated. OK? It was a week before Avalanche playing the Canucks. I think we have the video of this also.

DUPONT: A couple of weeks.

PHILLIPS: Steve Moore hit Marcus Naslund, and it was basically the attitude "I'm going to get you; you're going to pay for this."

So now, you know, a couple of weeks later you have this incident. Would that work, this premeditated notion that they were going to get even? DUPONT: I think that's very much in play here. And if you look at that hit -- I think it was on February 16, actually, it's a gray area hit. It's not the worst hit I've ever seen, but not that clean. And you can bring a player to task for that.

And that's been a frontier justice element of hockey for a very long time. But this went so far beyond the pale of what is accepted within the unwritten rules.

And, in fact, earlier in the evening, Steve Moore did have to fight Matt Cook on the other side. Bertuzzi wasn't satisfied with that and it is, very clearly, again, by the tape, premeditated.

PHILLIPS: All right. Let's roll that apology from Bertuzzi, and then I have a question for you.

DUPONT: Sure.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TODD BERTUZZI, SUSPENDED VANCOUVER CANUCKS FORWARD: Steve, I just want to apologize for what happened out there. That I had no intention of hurting you. And I feel awful for what transpired.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PHILLIPS: I don't know. I have a hard time feeling sorry for him.

DUPONT: No, it is, and I'm -- let's be honest he had almost 48 hours to craft what he said, knowing well that his words were measured.

And let's not forget, too, he appeared at the hearing as he should have. Marty McSorley didn't four years ago. The people on other side of the table are human, too. If he showed up and sounded sincere, I'm sure that was a mitigating circumstance.

PHILLIPS: You brought up an interesting point. You said "accepted in unwritten rules." At which point does the NHL say, "All right. Let's not let these fights continue. Let's get a little stricter"?

I mean in NASCAR, a week ago, one of the drivers got fined and busted and put on probation for cussing.

DUPONT: Right. Right.

PHILLIPS: I mean, these guys are breaking bones.

DUPONT: Well, they fight in the NHL, but they don't swear. Let's make that clear.

PHILLIPS: Under their breath.

DUPONT: Yes, that's right. I have to give the NHL its due. For the last 15 or 20 years it has made great strides in cleaning up the game.

If you watched it as late as the '70s and into the '80s there were huge bench-clearing brawls and fights on the ice, fights into the stands sometimes. We really don't see that any more. So I'll give it its credit for cleaning it up.

This element, I really don't know how you clean up someone who goes, as I say, so far beyond the pale. This isn't fighting; this is assault. This would be assault in the stands.

If you were sitting in the front row of the Fleet Center in Boston Garden, or the Fleet Center with a Yankees' cap on and the guy three rows back jumped you from behind and beat on you, it really wouldn't be any different from what Bertuzzi did two nights ago.

PHILLIPS: You hit it. It's pretty cowardly. Kevin Paul Dupont, thanks for your time.

DUPONT: My pleasure, Kyra.

PHILLIPS: All right.

Straight ahead, a new treatment in the battle against breast cancer. Can a new method for fighting the disease give older women a better chance?

And this new look swimsuit may give the fish a run for their money. Jeanne Moos explains later on LIVE FROM.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PHILLIPS: Back now to Madrid, where three days of mourning and nationwide demonstrations are being called in the aftermath of Spain's worst terror attack in modern history.

CNN's Alessio Vinci joins us now outside the city morgue -- Alessio.

ALESSIO VINCI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: hello, Kyra.

Actually, I am outside a convention center, very near the Madrid's airport, where Spanish officials have set up a makeshift morgue, where throughout the afternoon and this evening, vans carrying the bodies of the victims of this morning's attack have been brought here.

We've seen in the last couple of hours a good dozen of those vans, escorted by police, entering this building right behind me. This is where the Spanish officials are beginning the long identification process of these victims.

According to one Spanish official -- official here, so far, 179 bodies have been brought here. Of those, 50 have been already identified, as well. And the Spanish official also telling us that at least six boxes carrying some human remains have also been brought here. Of course, very difficult procedure here in trying to identify the body remains. One Red Cross official telling us that the nature of the blast is making this identification process extremely hard. So hard, in fact, that we understand from Spanish television that a group of Israel forensic experts are expected to arrive here at some point tomorrow.

Also inside here, some of the families -- some of the relatives of the victims have arrived. The Red Cross also trying to take care of them. Of course it is very difficult for them to first go through the identification process. But they themselves will need some help, some psychological help provided by doctors, as well as some psychologists and some priests.

Back to you, Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Alessio Vinci, live from Madrid, thank you.

Other news around the world now, more deadly bomb blasts in Iraq.

One roadside bomb went off in Fallujah as a large U.S. convoy passed by. No Americans were reported injured, but one Iraqi was killed. A U.S. troop did die -- or a U.S. soldier, rather, did die, however in a bomb attack in Baqubah (ph), just north of Baghdad.

No early parole for Manuel Noriega. The U.S. Parole Commission has denied the former Panamanian dictator's request denied to be released early from his Florida prison cell.

As you may remember, he's serving 30 years on a drug trafficking conviction, with time off for good behavior. Noriega is due to be released in 2007.

A federal judge who sentenced Noriega had recommended early release saying Noriega just wanted to spend time with his grandchildren.

Canadian authorities concerned about pork produced on a British Columbia pig farm. The farmer was arrested in connection with the murders of 15 women. Remains of as many as 23 were found on the farm. Authorities are concerned the meat may be contaminated. That pork was only sold locally.

In health news, it's damage control time for a Baltimore hospital that allegedly gave out bad HIV and hepatitis test results. Maryland health officials say lab techs at Maryland General Hospital ignored error warnings in hundreds of tests. They sent the patients the results anyway.

In fact, inspectors found that as many as 15 percent of test results over a 14-month period may be wrong. The hospital is trying to contact everyone to come back in for a free retest.

Tamoxifen has been credited with cutting breast cancer death rates worldwide. But a new study shows that a new drug called exemestane may be more effective. Showing those who switched to the new drug were less likely to have localized tumors return after surgery. They also had less serious side effects and were less likely to develop in other breast or develop other cancers in other parts of the body.

The study appears in the current issue of "The New England Journal of Medicine."

Straight ahead, built for speed and ready for gold. More innovations in the world of Olympic swimming could mean more wins. But maybe not in the world of fashion.

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PHILLIPS: Live now to Capitol Hill. Tom Daschle getting ready to introduce Senator John Kerry. He'll be addressing reporters.

As you know, it's a story we've been talking about. Looking for a little bit of clarification from Senator Kerry on some off the cuff comments that he made yesterday about Republicans being crooked. He didn't necessarily know he was still on mic.

We'll see if he makes comments about that. Let's listen in.

SEN. JOHN KERRY (D-MA), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Tom, thank you.

It was a strange thing for me to suddenly be back and have a real lunch with my colleagues, after the last months of Styrofoam meal on the trail. But I'm proud to be back here, proud to stand with these Democrats who are fighting hard for the real priorities of our country.

Just this past month, the Bush administration has announced that they only lost 3,000 manufacturing jobs. And for every month that they've been in office, manufacturing jobs by the tens and hundreds of thousands and millions have been leaving our country.

Over six months ago or more, they announced that they would appoint a manufacturing czar for our country. But despite the loss of manufacturing jobs, they never thought it was important enough to actually follow through on that until very recently.

And then it turns out that the person they choose had cut the workforce by 17 percent and built a plant in China and have themselves said that they didn't really want to have to do this. It wasn't good for America. But they were forced to do it because they didn't get any help.

Their manufacturing czar, the person they chose, has been a poster person for the very depths of their policy that have affected millions of Americans negatively across our country.

Every Senator standing here has a better sense of priorities of how we put people back to work. And we put people back to work by being fair, by closing loopholes, by investing in education, by investing in job training, by investing in manufacturing, all choices that the Bush administration doesn't want to talk about, hasn't talked about, and chooses to ignore.

Those are the real priorities of those election, and I intend to keep talking about them right through election day. And hopefully, if the American people will trust me with the presidency, we'll put America back to work.

Thank you.

Can we -- we'll just do them one at a time, one at a time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you think it says about the administration that they're having such difficulty filling this job, where the jobs are?

KERRY: I don't think the administration is really serious about it. If they were serious about it, they'd have a real plan. They wouldn't cut the manufacturing extension program by 90 percent. Ninety percent.

They wouldn't cut science and technology and research, which are the engines of the creation of jobs.

They wouldn't make it harder for our students to actually go to college, to get the skills and be able to move into the job of the future.

In every respect, there is one policy from this administration, a tax cut for the wealthiest people in America, at the expense of the real priorities. We're going to change that. We're going to put the priorities of the American people on the table. We're going to address them. We're going to put America back on track.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Vietnam -- brought up. In 1971, you appeared with a man named Al Hubbard on "Meet the Press." Al Hubbard later turned out to have fabricated the Vietnam War record.

Do you repudiate Al Hubbard, and are you still in contact with Al Hubbard, who was the executive director of your group?

KERRY: I haven't talked to Al Hubbard since that week, and everybody was disappointed by what they learned back in 1971. To his credit, he did serve his nation. He had simply exaggerated his particular position. But nobody knew it at the time. And those things happen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does that affected credibility, do you think...

KERRY: No. You're going back 31 years. I think our credibility was tremendous. I think that was one of the most moving and important weeks in the effort to end a war that needed to be ended. And I'm proud of the role I played in helping to do that. And I think people all over the country joined together, in trying to get our servicemen home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... calling on you to apologize for the words in Chicago. What's your response to that?

KERRY: I have no intention whatsoever of apologizing for my remarks. I think these -- I think the Republicans need to start talking about the real issues before the country.

I understand they're going to start a series of attack ads on me tonight, on three topics that have nothing to do with health care for Americans, nothing to do with jobs for Americans, nothing to do with jobs for Americans, nothing to do with education for our kids, nothing to do with cleaner air or cleaner water, nothing to do with making America safer in this world.

They can't talk about those things, because George Bush doesn't have a record to run on. He has a record to run away from, and that's what they're trying to do.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... coordinate a legislative agenda then with Senator Daschle, as well. The Republicans say that the plan really is just obstructionism for the future.

KERRY: There's not a senator here who wants to obstruct anything. They would like to pass a budget that's fiscally responsible and doesn't add debt burden to our children.

Every senator here would like to pass health care for all Americans tomorrow. Every senator here would like to fulfill the promise of No Child Left Behind and make sure our kids have good schools to go to school in.

Every Senator here would like to go forward, not backward, on clean air, clean water. Give us a real agenda, and the United States Senate can do real work. But if the work is to move America backwards, I will stand with my colleagues in fighting for the real priorities of the American people.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who are the liars and crooks?

Yes, let me ask you who are these attack ads you're just describing different from your comments in Chicago? I mean, can Republicans turn around and say that that was an attack on them?

KERRY: I haven't -- I haven't said anything that's incorrect about them and they've said lots things that are incorrect. You can go through the list.

Look, this is what they did to John McCain in South Carolina. They challenged John McCain's record as a prisoner of war. There were people out there calling him the -- the most unbelievable things.

They did the same thing to our colleague and friend, Max Cleland, who left three limbs open the battlefield in Vietnam and they challenged his patriotism. There is a Republican attack squad that specializes in try to destroy people and be negative. I think the president needs to talk about the real priorities of our country and that's what we're looking at.

SEN. TOM DASCHLE (D-SD), MINORITY LEADER: Thank you all very much.

KERRY: Thank you very much. Thank you.

PHILLIPS: Senator John Kerry there on Capitol Hill, surrounded by fellow Democratic Senators there.

Right then, though, responding to questionable comments that he made yesterday in Chicago. You may remember the off the cuff comments that he referred to Republicans as being all crooked.

John Kerry being asked that question by reporters. He said he was talking specifically about Republican -- the Republican attack squad that he says is out there to diminish certain individuals and not talking about the issues at hand. He's talking jobs, health care, and education.

As you know, Kerry now has enough delegates to claim the Democratic nomination. He continues to push for the presidency.

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