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MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Preventing the next terror attack on American soil, homeland security chief Tom Ridge announcing a new task force.
KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: The Patriot Act, the president pushing for its renewal. Does it violate your rights or protect you from terrorism? We'll debate it.

CHRIS LAWRENCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm Chris Lawrence in Union Township, Ohio, where the family of a captured American soldier, Matt Maupin, may be ready to sneak out.

O'BRIEN: And sudden impact, who wins the battle when an SUV smashes into your car? New crash test results to tell you about.

From the CNN Center in Atlanta, I'm Miles O'Brien.

PHILLIPS: And I'm Kyra Phillips. It's Monday, April 19, CNN's LIVE FROM... starts right now.

PHILLIPS: Summertime and the feds are uneasy. OK, it's not summer yet, but the Homeland Security Department is looking ahead to a hot and heavy season of political gatherings and public holidays, any one of which could be a target for terror. Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge is unveiling plans today for extra vigilance, plans that have nothing to do with color charts. CNN's Sean Callebs has the 411 now from Washington.

Let's lay out all the upcoming events, Sean.

SEAN CALLEBS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Indeed, I think that Tom Ridge is looking at this right now, announcing this task because the U.S. is coming up on a critically important time. Just think about all the public events that are coming up in the next few months. We begin on the Mall here in Washington with the World War II Memorial that will be unveiled during the Memorial Day weekend. And Ridge says these kind of opportunities are prime targets for al Qaeda terrorists and perhaps other terrorists.

And we move on from there to the July 4th holidays, then later on this summer, Boston and New York, two of the most populous cities in the United States are going to be packed full of convention goers. Those are the GOP convention and the Democratic Convention, as well. Again, a prime target, that's what Ridge says. And think this fall, November, remember, the general election, all of these a situation that terrorists could take, Kyra, to launch an assault to try and disrupt this nation.

PHILLIPS: All right, Sean, tell us about this task force and how it's going to work.

CALLEBS: Well, basically it's going to build on a lot of the work that the Department of Homeland Security has done to date. But really, it's going to focus the DHS, the Department of Homeland Security is going to take the lead in this. They are going to work with eight level cabinet agencies. And they are all going to work with the various states, with the governors, with law enforcement, with what are termed the very first people to show up to any kind of attack.

So what they want to do is break down barriers that right now may exist between various organizations and various states. And you need to look no further than what our national security advisor had to say this weekend about the concern. This is what Condoleezza Rice had to say on the rounds of the Sunday talk shows. She said, I think we have to take seriously that they may and try during the cycle leading up to the election, to do something. In some ways, it seems like it would be too good for them to pass up -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Sean, what is different between this task force and what we have in place now? A lot of people saying, why do we need another committee, another group?

CALLEBS: Well, I think really what Ridge is trying to do is build on the work. The DHS now is almost two-and-a-half years old, and think about the progress that they say they have made, everything from entry visas to those people trying to come into the nation, to improved security at the airports, new container laws to protect ships coming in.

But really what they want to do is get real-time information. So all these barriers will be broken down. And if Ridge or someone from the DHS needs to speak with a governor or law enforcement or military operating in a certain state, they will have that opportunity and they will have it quickly.

PHILLIPS: Sean Callebs, live from Washington, thanks, Sean -- Miles.

O'BRIEN: Now to the White House where unpleasant headlines from Iraq are mingling with revelations and allegations from the war's earliest stages. Those come in the new book from Bob Woodward, "Plan of Attack." It goes on sale today but already getting mixed reviews from the West Wing. Woodward talked about some of his reporting on "60 Minutes" beginning at the beginning, November, 2001.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, FROM "60 MINUTES")

BOB WOODWARD, AUTHOR, "PLAN OF ATTACK": President Bush, after a National Security Council meeting, takes Don Rumsfeld aside, collars him physically, and takes him into a little cubbyhole room, and closes the door and says, what have you got in terms of plans for Iraq? What is the status of the war planning? I want you to get on it. I want you to keep it secret.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O'BRIEN: And joining us now live from the White House with more on this, CNN's Dana Bash.

Hello, Dana.

DANA BASH, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Miles. And before we get to that, we do have a lot to talk about on the Bob Woodward book, we do have some news from here at the White House that we first reported to you just a short while ago. And that is that the president is, within the next half hour, going to formally announce that he is going to appoint John Negroponte as the first U.S. ambassador to Iraq.

Now Negroponte is currently the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. This is an appointment that has been widely expected certainly within the past week or so. And the administration has already begun last week putting out the calls to Capitol Hill to key members of Congress who will have to sit and have him actually come before Congress to get confirmed.

Now, Negroponte is somebody who has been at the U.N. for the Bush administration since September of 2001. And he has been a career foreign service person in government, really, for 37 years. And he has had several posts around the world, from Asia to Europe to Latin America. But this is something the administration has been talking about, working on for some time. And he will certainly go to Iraq some time after June 30 when the Iraqis take over, or at least that's the planned date, the administration still insists, for Iraqis to take over sovereignty of their country. And this certainly could be an interesting debate on Capitol Hill over the confirmation of Negroponte because of the whole issue of the Iraq policy for the Bush administration in general -- Miles.

O'BRIEN: All right. CNN's Dana Bash at the White House, thank you very much.

See and hear much more from the author himself on tonight's edition of LARRY KING LIVE. That's at 9:00 Eastern, 6:00 Pacific right here on CNN.

PHILLIPS: Breakthrough in Fallujah? Officials in the Iraqi city best known for vicious violence pledged today to call on anti- coalition fighters to give up their heavy weapons. Americans in return pledged not to attack them if they do.

CNN's Jim Clancy has more on that and all of the day's news from his post in Baghdad -- Jim.

JIM CLANCY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: With the U.S. death toll surging in the conflict in Iraq, news of a breakthrough cease-fire in that city could be something that this coalition needs, not only domestically for the U.S., but right here in Iraq itself. After all, most of the casualties suffered in Fallujah have been among the residents inside the city.

It would appear now somewhere between 700 and 1000 people have been killed in the conflict, impossible to sort out those numbers, how many are civilians, how many are fighters on the streets there. But if a plan that is backed by members of the Iraqi Governing Council, as well as community leaders inside Fallujah goes through, you could see joint patrols between the U.S. military, coalition soldiers and Iraqi police in that city in the coming days and weeks. Patrols that would aim to bring a semblance of law and order there and further steps, further pullback by U.S. Marines that have besieged the city now for some two weeks.

Still, on the other hand, there is a lot to be expected from the Iraqi side. It is not yet known whether it can deliver. This is what Dan Senor had to say.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DAN SENOE, COALITION PROVISIONAL AUTHORITY: The parties agreed to call on citizens and groups to immediately turn in all illegal weapons, illegal weapons defined as mortars, RPGs, machine guns, sniper rifles, ID-making materials, grenades and surface-to-air missiles and all associated ammunition. Those who give up their weapons voluntarily will not be prosecuted for weapons violation. And unarmed individuals will not be attacked.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CLANCY: But how many people will turn in those weapons? How many of the fighters will turn in the foreigners among them that are believed to be inside Fallujah? And what about Iraqi police, pressing the case against those responsible for the killing of four U.S. contractors, security men, who touched off this entire ordeal for Fallujah and the U.S. marines there?

And still, Kyra, we're being warned that if the deal is not made good by all sides, U.S. Marines may yet see action again in Fallujah. Back to you.

PHILLIPS: All right, Jim Clancy, live from Baghdad, thanks -- Miles.

O'BRIEN: Over the weekend, the top American in Iraq, Paul Bremer, confirmed what has seen painfully obvious for quite some time. When the U.S. hands over power to some sort of Iraqi authority, that government, whatever it may be, will not be able to handle security on its own. Now this comes on the heels of reports of Iraqi military units either refusing to fight or switching sides in the heat of battle. For more on all this, we turn it over to CNN military analyst, retired U.S. Army intelligence analyst, Pat Lang.

Colonel Lang, good to have you back with us.

COL. PAT LANG, U.S. ARMY (RET.): Thank you.

O'BRIEN: All right, let's start off with this whole notion. Why is it that these Iraqi units are not fighting or in fact switching sides in some cases?

LANG: Well, first of all, the United States made a big mistake in claiming that because we had enlisted a lot of people, they were ready to fight. I mean, that is obviously not very plausible. And what tends to happen here is is that in the Middle East you have societies, like the one in Iraq, which are not like ours. Ours is really the product of a melting pot and you don't know have a problem with Portuguese and Norwegians and Irishmen and blacks serving together in the same units.

But in the Middle East, if you put people together in mixed units, and then send them in to fight a population, which is represented in that unit, you know, in that battalion, inevitably what happens is the battalion falls apart, they fight each other or they just refuse to do anything. And this is something we should have known a long time ago. This is a well-known thing. We tried the same thing in Lebanon in 1984. And when we put units up against their co- religionists in the Shoop (ph) Mountains south of Beirut, they just fell to pieces.

This isn't surprising. This is not going to work this way. There has been one unit that has fought well around Fallujah, and it's -- from what I understand, it's a battalion of the civil defense corps which is made up entirely of Kurds, and they have been put in there to fight Sunni Arab who are their ancestral opponents, so they think this is great. I mean, this is sort like an end to be really desired.

O'BRIEN: Well, I suppose the flip side of this -- I suppose your alternative would be to have units which are divided along ethnic lines. But if in fact you do that, isn't that laying the seeds for a confrontation and ultimately civil war between all of these factions?

LANG: Yes, it really is. And the problem is is that these countries, in large part, are -- like Iraq, are postcolonial constructs in which the British drove a line around some territory on a map and included all of these disparate groups. And in the history of Iraq since World War I, the way the country has been held together has been by complex trading arrangements and force of arms by Saddam Hussein and things like this. So the idea that you're going to create a well-blended together population is an enormous task and something which will have to be worked on for quite a long time.

O'BRIEN: Well, Colonel, would you suggest then that Iraq should be divided up into three separate entities, as some have suggested?

LANG: Well, I wouldn't suggest that. I always hate to make more little countries out of bigger single countries. It tends to make things more unstable. But it is possible in the long run that if these groups can't resolve their differences, they may end up with something like that and we will have largely caused that, actually.

O'BRIEN: Colonel Pat Lang, thanks for your time, appreciate it -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: More than a dozen non-Iraqis are still being held by Iraqi insurgents or simply unaccounted for. And the former category still includes U.S. Army Private Keith Matthew Maupin. He has been in Iraq just two months and his home town of Batavia, Ohio, is sick with worry. CNN's Chris Lawrence is there to tell us more -- Chris.

CHRIS LAWRENCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Kyra, it has been an incredibly tough day for the family. They live right down the street and have been dealing with this mostly in a very private manner, although we've just learned that a family spokesman will make public statement this afternoon at 4:00. This will be the first time that we have heard any communication from the family since last Friday.

But in the meantime, there have been just some undeniable showing of support around town. Many of their friends and neighbors have promised to blanket this entire area with yellow ribbons. And from the looks of it, it looks like they're well on their way: ribbons, flags, flowers flying all over this area, anywhere that the family would see them.

And many people here are very encouraged by what they've seen and heard in that videotape released on Friday, specifically, the fact that Matt Maupin did not appear to be roughed up. That even though his captors were armed, they did not directly threaten him, and the fact they offered to exchange him for prisoners being held by the coalition.

Now if anyone can understand what he is going through right now, it is former POW Jessica Lynch. She called Matt Maupin's mother last night, spoke briefly and encouraged her to stay very hopeful. Also Jessica's mother, Mrs. Lynch, also spoke with her, mother to mother, telling her what to expect when, not if, her son Matt comes home.

The Reverend Jesse Jackson has also made some public -- excuse me, made some public perceptions in terms of asking and letting people know that he is available to help negotiate the release of Matt Maupin.

Now the U.S. government has reiterated its position that it does not negotiate with hostage-takers, but as a private citizen, the Reverend Jackson would be free to do that. So far I spoke today with an Army officer who is stationed with the family right now. He said that Reverend Jackson has not had any direct contact with the family as of yet -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: CNN's Chris Lawrence, thanks, Chris -- Miles.

O'BRIEN: All right, another small town is losing sleep over another kidnapped American. Like Maupin, Thomas Hamill was apparently abducted Good Friday. He too has turned up in a videotape, but not since.

Let's listen to his wire.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KELLIE HAMILL, HOSTAGE'S WIFE: I'm just real hopeful that he can. I'm not quite sure but you know, I have the faith and we're going to trust in Mr. Reverend Jackson and see if it's going to help. (END VIDEO CLIP)

O'BRIEN: As of today, three Italians, a Dane, and an Arab from East Jerusalem are known to be captives in Iraq.

O'BRIEN: He's admitted to molesting hundreds of victims. A released sexual predator is back behind bars. Wait until you hear how authorities finally caught up with him.

And before 9/11, it was the worst terror attack on American soil. Coming up, remembering the victims of Oklahoma City and going after one of the bombers.

Later, advertisers claim it helps you lose weight, reduces stress and helps skin tone. And now, believe it or not, sea water is now Hawaii's hottest export. We'll serve up some sea water later. Buyer beware.

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PHILLIPS: In the Middle East, 6 million Jews killed during the Holocaust are honored during the Annual Day of Remembrance. That observance comes at a turbulent time for the region. CNN's Walter Rodgers is there.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

WALTER RODGERS, CNN SR. INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): There were six torches lighted in Israel's annual Holocaust Memorial Remembrance. Six for 6 million Jews who were murdered by the Nazis in World War II. Israel's tough prime minister, Ariel Sharon, remembered the Holocaust victims, relating the genocide to those who would kill Jews now.

"We will never allow the murders of today and those of tomorrow to attack our people. He who dare does so will be harmed," Sharon said."

Israel struck done another of its foes Saturday night, killing the second Hamas leader in a month, his time Abdel Aziz Rantisi, again in Gaza, again a missile fired from a helicopter. Sharon and Israeli intelligence believed Rantisi a mastermind for many of the recent murderous attacks on Israeli citizens. \

During Rantisi's funeral Sunday in Gaza, the streets boiled with Palestinian rage. And there were promises of vengeance, retaliation, not just for Rantisi but for the earlier assassination of Hamas spiritual leader, Sheikh Amhed Yassin, also branded by Israel an architect of terrorism against civilians.

Still in killing both Rantisi and Sheikh Yassin, the Israelis may have done great damage to Hamas' infrastructure, its ability to kill. So for a people who have seen too much killing of their own in the last 65 years, very few in Israel now question these assassinations of their modern-day enemies, they are seen as a means of national survival. Walter Rodgers, CNN, Jerusalem.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PHILLIPS: In other news around the world, 10 terror suspects are detained in England. British authorities say the group was rounded up in the raids in the Manchester area, they are not saying what prompted suspicion or what the group may have been planning.

In Afghanistan, eight men suspected of ties to al Qaeda are nabbed in their beds in Kabul. Afghan police and international peacekeepers arrested the group in a surprise raid on a compound where they found a cache of weapons. Six were arrested in a similar raid last week.

Heart problems sent a former Argentinean soccer player to the hospital. Doctors say Diego Maradona is in intensive care now, suffering complications from cardiomyopathy. It can cause life- threatening irregular heartbeats. Maradona led to its World Cup victory against Mexico in 1986.

O'BRIEN: All right. We sometimes call this the "Mars Minute," this is going to be the other-than-Mars-minute, the "Space Minute." Let's start the clock now and give you an update on what is going on in the world of orbit -- in the orbit of orbits.

First of all, the International Space Station crew No. 9, 9, is on its way to the International Space Station right now. Docking will happen midnight Eastern time tomorrow, thereabouts, actually into the wee hours of Wednesday.

Take a look at the new crew on its way up as you look at some of the pictures fed from the Soyuz rocket on the way. That, my friends is Mike Fincke, he is the science officer on board, Gennady Padalka is in the center there, look at that little stick he has to use to reach the instruments on the Soyuz, it's such a cramped fit.

Finally over there is Andre Kuipers, he is from Belgium. And he is on his way for a week-long stint. He will come back with the Expedition 8 crew, Mike Foale and Alexander Kaleri, they have been up there for six months.

Meanwhile, on the pad at the Vandenburg Air Force Base in California, after 40 years remains Gravity Probe B. And that's not a bad 1950s movie, it is a project, which will settle for once and for all Einstein's theory of Relativity, Kyra. Because I know you're curious about this.

Quickly, let's show the animation of how it's going to work when it finally gets into space it will home in on a guide star using very, very carefully calibrated gyroscopes, the most precise gyroscopes ever, will determine if there is any sort of wiggle in the spacecraft as a result of its positioning in space near Earth. And then in so doing will determine if large bodies in space actually create sort of a change in the time space continuum. And that's as good as it gets for a history major, folks. That's all I can tell you. Thank you... PHILLIPS: Thank you, Miles.

O'BRIEN: ... for your patience and forbearance.

The Patriot Act, a serious subject, was designed to help investigators after 9/11. But do parts of it go too far? We'll talk about it, debate it a little later on LIVE FROM...

PHILLIPS: Also, ouch, surviving the crash test. How well does your car do against SUVs? Well, we'll show you just ahead.

O'BRIEN: That's an ugly SUV they use, by the way.

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Aired April 19, 2004 - 13:00   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Preventing the next terror attack on American soil, homeland security chief Tom Ridge announcing a new task force.
KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: The Patriot Act, the president pushing for its renewal. Does it violate your rights or protect you from terrorism? We'll debate it.

CHRIS LAWRENCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm Chris Lawrence in Union Township, Ohio, where the family of a captured American soldier, Matt Maupin, may be ready to sneak out.

O'BRIEN: And sudden impact, who wins the battle when an SUV smashes into your car? New crash test results to tell you about.

From the CNN Center in Atlanta, I'm Miles O'Brien.

PHILLIPS: And I'm Kyra Phillips. It's Monday, April 19, CNN's LIVE FROM... starts right now.

PHILLIPS: Summertime and the feds are uneasy. OK, it's not summer yet, but the Homeland Security Department is looking ahead to a hot and heavy season of political gatherings and public holidays, any one of which could be a target for terror. Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge is unveiling plans today for extra vigilance, plans that have nothing to do with color charts. CNN's Sean Callebs has the 411 now from Washington.

Let's lay out all the upcoming events, Sean.

SEAN CALLEBS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Indeed, I think that Tom Ridge is looking at this right now, announcing this task because the U.S. is coming up on a critically important time. Just think about all the public events that are coming up in the next few months. We begin on the Mall here in Washington with the World War II Memorial that will be unveiled during the Memorial Day weekend. And Ridge says these kind of opportunities are prime targets for al Qaeda terrorists and perhaps other terrorists.

And we move on from there to the July 4th holidays, then later on this summer, Boston and New York, two of the most populous cities in the United States are going to be packed full of convention goers. Those are the GOP convention and the Democratic Convention, as well. Again, a prime target, that's what Ridge says. And think this fall, November, remember, the general election, all of these a situation that terrorists could take, Kyra, to launch an assault to try and disrupt this nation.

PHILLIPS: All right, Sean, tell us about this task force and how it's going to work.

CALLEBS: Well, basically it's going to build on a lot of the work that the Department of Homeland Security has done to date. But really, it's going to focus the DHS, the Department of Homeland Security is going to take the lead in this. They are going to work with eight level cabinet agencies. And they are all going to work with the various states, with the governors, with law enforcement, with what are termed the very first people to show up to any kind of attack.

So what they want to do is break down barriers that right now may exist between various organizations and various states. And you need to look no further than what our national security advisor had to say this weekend about the concern. This is what Condoleezza Rice had to say on the rounds of the Sunday talk shows. She said, I think we have to take seriously that they may and try during the cycle leading up to the election, to do something. In some ways, it seems like it would be too good for them to pass up -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Sean, what is different between this task force and what we have in place now? A lot of people saying, why do we need another committee, another group?

CALLEBS: Well, I think really what Ridge is trying to do is build on the work. The DHS now is almost two-and-a-half years old, and think about the progress that they say they have made, everything from entry visas to those people trying to come into the nation, to improved security at the airports, new container laws to protect ships coming in.

But really what they want to do is get real-time information. So all these barriers will be broken down. And if Ridge or someone from the DHS needs to speak with a governor or law enforcement or military operating in a certain state, they will have that opportunity and they will have it quickly.

PHILLIPS: Sean Callebs, live from Washington, thanks, Sean -- Miles.

O'BRIEN: Now to the White House where unpleasant headlines from Iraq are mingling with revelations and allegations from the war's earliest stages. Those come in the new book from Bob Woodward, "Plan of Attack." It goes on sale today but already getting mixed reviews from the West Wing. Woodward talked about some of his reporting on "60 Minutes" beginning at the beginning, November, 2001.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, FROM "60 MINUTES")

BOB WOODWARD, AUTHOR, "PLAN OF ATTACK": President Bush, after a National Security Council meeting, takes Don Rumsfeld aside, collars him physically, and takes him into a little cubbyhole room, and closes the door and says, what have you got in terms of plans for Iraq? What is the status of the war planning? I want you to get on it. I want you to keep it secret.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O'BRIEN: And joining us now live from the White House with more on this, CNN's Dana Bash.

Hello, Dana.

DANA BASH, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Miles. And before we get to that, we do have a lot to talk about on the Bob Woodward book, we do have some news from here at the White House that we first reported to you just a short while ago. And that is that the president is, within the next half hour, going to formally announce that he is going to appoint John Negroponte as the first U.S. ambassador to Iraq.

Now Negroponte is currently the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. This is an appointment that has been widely expected certainly within the past week or so. And the administration has already begun last week putting out the calls to Capitol Hill to key members of Congress who will have to sit and have him actually come before Congress to get confirmed.

Now, Negroponte is somebody who has been at the U.N. for the Bush administration since September of 2001. And he has been a career foreign service person in government, really, for 37 years. And he has had several posts around the world, from Asia to Europe to Latin America. But this is something the administration has been talking about, working on for some time. And he will certainly go to Iraq some time after June 30 when the Iraqis take over, or at least that's the planned date, the administration still insists, for Iraqis to take over sovereignty of their country. And this certainly could be an interesting debate on Capitol Hill over the confirmation of Negroponte because of the whole issue of the Iraq policy for the Bush administration in general -- Miles.

O'BRIEN: All right. CNN's Dana Bash at the White House, thank you very much.

See and hear much more from the author himself on tonight's edition of LARRY KING LIVE. That's at 9:00 Eastern, 6:00 Pacific right here on CNN.

PHILLIPS: Breakthrough in Fallujah? Officials in the Iraqi city best known for vicious violence pledged today to call on anti- coalition fighters to give up their heavy weapons. Americans in return pledged not to attack them if they do.

CNN's Jim Clancy has more on that and all of the day's news from his post in Baghdad -- Jim.

JIM CLANCY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: With the U.S. death toll surging in the conflict in Iraq, news of a breakthrough cease-fire in that city could be something that this coalition needs, not only domestically for the U.S., but right here in Iraq itself. After all, most of the casualties suffered in Fallujah have been among the residents inside the city.

It would appear now somewhere between 700 and 1000 people have been killed in the conflict, impossible to sort out those numbers, how many are civilians, how many are fighters on the streets there. But if a plan that is backed by members of the Iraqi Governing Council, as well as community leaders inside Fallujah goes through, you could see joint patrols between the U.S. military, coalition soldiers and Iraqi police in that city in the coming days and weeks. Patrols that would aim to bring a semblance of law and order there and further steps, further pullback by U.S. Marines that have besieged the city now for some two weeks.

Still, on the other hand, there is a lot to be expected from the Iraqi side. It is not yet known whether it can deliver. This is what Dan Senor had to say.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DAN SENOE, COALITION PROVISIONAL AUTHORITY: The parties agreed to call on citizens and groups to immediately turn in all illegal weapons, illegal weapons defined as mortars, RPGs, machine guns, sniper rifles, ID-making materials, grenades and surface-to-air missiles and all associated ammunition. Those who give up their weapons voluntarily will not be prosecuted for weapons violation. And unarmed individuals will not be attacked.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CLANCY: But how many people will turn in those weapons? How many of the fighters will turn in the foreigners among them that are believed to be inside Fallujah? And what about Iraqi police, pressing the case against those responsible for the killing of four U.S. contractors, security men, who touched off this entire ordeal for Fallujah and the U.S. marines there?

And still, Kyra, we're being warned that if the deal is not made good by all sides, U.S. Marines may yet see action again in Fallujah. Back to you.

PHILLIPS: All right, Jim Clancy, live from Baghdad, thanks -- Miles.

O'BRIEN: Over the weekend, the top American in Iraq, Paul Bremer, confirmed what has seen painfully obvious for quite some time. When the U.S. hands over power to some sort of Iraqi authority, that government, whatever it may be, will not be able to handle security on its own. Now this comes on the heels of reports of Iraqi military units either refusing to fight or switching sides in the heat of battle. For more on all this, we turn it over to CNN military analyst, retired U.S. Army intelligence analyst, Pat Lang.

Colonel Lang, good to have you back with us.

COL. PAT LANG, U.S. ARMY (RET.): Thank you.

O'BRIEN: All right, let's start off with this whole notion. Why is it that these Iraqi units are not fighting or in fact switching sides in some cases?

LANG: Well, first of all, the United States made a big mistake in claiming that because we had enlisted a lot of people, they were ready to fight. I mean, that is obviously not very plausible. And what tends to happen here is is that in the Middle East you have societies, like the one in Iraq, which are not like ours. Ours is really the product of a melting pot and you don't know have a problem with Portuguese and Norwegians and Irishmen and blacks serving together in the same units.

But in the Middle East, if you put people together in mixed units, and then send them in to fight a population, which is represented in that unit, you know, in that battalion, inevitably what happens is the battalion falls apart, they fight each other or they just refuse to do anything. And this is something we should have known a long time ago. This is a well-known thing. We tried the same thing in Lebanon in 1984. And when we put units up against their co- religionists in the Shoop (ph) Mountains south of Beirut, they just fell to pieces.

This isn't surprising. This is not going to work this way. There has been one unit that has fought well around Fallujah, and it's -- from what I understand, it's a battalion of the civil defense corps which is made up entirely of Kurds, and they have been put in there to fight Sunni Arab who are their ancestral opponents, so they think this is great. I mean, this is sort like an end to be really desired.

O'BRIEN: Well, I suppose the flip side of this -- I suppose your alternative would be to have units which are divided along ethnic lines. But if in fact you do that, isn't that laying the seeds for a confrontation and ultimately civil war between all of these factions?

LANG: Yes, it really is. And the problem is is that these countries, in large part, are -- like Iraq, are postcolonial constructs in which the British drove a line around some territory on a map and included all of these disparate groups. And in the history of Iraq since World War I, the way the country has been held together has been by complex trading arrangements and force of arms by Saddam Hussein and things like this. So the idea that you're going to create a well-blended together population is an enormous task and something which will have to be worked on for quite a long time.

O'BRIEN: Well, Colonel, would you suggest then that Iraq should be divided up into three separate entities, as some have suggested?

LANG: Well, I wouldn't suggest that. I always hate to make more little countries out of bigger single countries. It tends to make things more unstable. But it is possible in the long run that if these groups can't resolve their differences, they may end up with something like that and we will have largely caused that, actually.

O'BRIEN: Colonel Pat Lang, thanks for your time, appreciate it -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: More than a dozen non-Iraqis are still being held by Iraqi insurgents or simply unaccounted for. And the former category still includes U.S. Army Private Keith Matthew Maupin. He has been in Iraq just two months and his home town of Batavia, Ohio, is sick with worry. CNN's Chris Lawrence is there to tell us more -- Chris.

CHRIS LAWRENCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Kyra, it has been an incredibly tough day for the family. They live right down the street and have been dealing with this mostly in a very private manner, although we've just learned that a family spokesman will make public statement this afternoon at 4:00. This will be the first time that we have heard any communication from the family since last Friday.

But in the meantime, there have been just some undeniable showing of support around town. Many of their friends and neighbors have promised to blanket this entire area with yellow ribbons. And from the looks of it, it looks like they're well on their way: ribbons, flags, flowers flying all over this area, anywhere that the family would see them.

And many people here are very encouraged by what they've seen and heard in that videotape released on Friday, specifically, the fact that Matt Maupin did not appear to be roughed up. That even though his captors were armed, they did not directly threaten him, and the fact they offered to exchange him for prisoners being held by the coalition.

Now if anyone can understand what he is going through right now, it is former POW Jessica Lynch. She called Matt Maupin's mother last night, spoke briefly and encouraged her to stay very hopeful. Also Jessica's mother, Mrs. Lynch, also spoke with her, mother to mother, telling her what to expect when, not if, her son Matt comes home.

The Reverend Jesse Jackson has also made some public -- excuse me, made some public perceptions in terms of asking and letting people know that he is available to help negotiate the release of Matt Maupin.

Now the U.S. government has reiterated its position that it does not negotiate with hostage-takers, but as a private citizen, the Reverend Jackson would be free to do that. So far I spoke today with an Army officer who is stationed with the family right now. He said that Reverend Jackson has not had any direct contact with the family as of yet -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: CNN's Chris Lawrence, thanks, Chris -- Miles.

O'BRIEN: All right, another small town is losing sleep over another kidnapped American. Like Maupin, Thomas Hamill was apparently abducted Good Friday. He too has turned up in a videotape, but not since.

Let's listen to his wire.

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KELLIE HAMILL, HOSTAGE'S WIFE: I'm just real hopeful that he can. I'm not quite sure but you know, I have the faith and we're going to trust in Mr. Reverend Jackson and see if it's going to help. (END VIDEO CLIP)

O'BRIEN: As of today, three Italians, a Dane, and an Arab from East Jerusalem are known to be captives in Iraq.

O'BRIEN: He's admitted to molesting hundreds of victims. A released sexual predator is back behind bars. Wait until you hear how authorities finally caught up with him.

And before 9/11, it was the worst terror attack on American soil. Coming up, remembering the victims of Oklahoma City and going after one of the bombers.

Later, advertisers claim it helps you lose weight, reduces stress and helps skin tone. And now, believe it or not, sea water is now Hawaii's hottest export. We'll serve up some sea water later. Buyer beware.

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PHILLIPS: In the Middle East, 6 million Jews killed during the Holocaust are honored during the Annual Day of Remembrance. That observance comes at a turbulent time for the region. CNN's Walter Rodgers is there.

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WALTER RODGERS, CNN SR. INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): There were six torches lighted in Israel's annual Holocaust Memorial Remembrance. Six for 6 million Jews who were murdered by the Nazis in World War II. Israel's tough prime minister, Ariel Sharon, remembered the Holocaust victims, relating the genocide to those who would kill Jews now.

"We will never allow the murders of today and those of tomorrow to attack our people. He who dare does so will be harmed," Sharon said."

Israel struck done another of its foes Saturday night, killing the second Hamas leader in a month, his time Abdel Aziz Rantisi, again in Gaza, again a missile fired from a helicopter. Sharon and Israeli intelligence believed Rantisi a mastermind for many of the recent murderous attacks on Israeli citizens. \

During Rantisi's funeral Sunday in Gaza, the streets boiled with Palestinian rage. And there were promises of vengeance, retaliation, not just for Rantisi but for the earlier assassination of Hamas spiritual leader, Sheikh Amhed Yassin, also branded by Israel an architect of terrorism against civilians.

Still in killing both Rantisi and Sheikh Yassin, the Israelis may have done great damage to Hamas' infrastructure, its ability to kill. So for a people who have seen too much killing of their own in the last 65 years, very few in Israel now question these assassinations of their modern-day enemies, they are seen as a means of national survival. Walter Rodgers, CNN, Jerusalem.

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PHILLIPS: In other news around the world, 10 terror suspects are detained in England. British authorities say the group was rounded up in the raids in the Manchester area, they are not saying what prompted suspicion or what the group may have been planning.

In Afghanistan, eight men suspected of ties to al Qaeda are nabbed in their beds in Kabul. Afghan police and international peacekeepers arrested the group in a surprise raid on a compound where they found a cache of weapons. Six were arrested in a similar raid last week.

Heart problems sent a former Argentinean soccer player to the hospital. Doctors say Diego Maradona is in intensive care now, suffering complications from cardiomyopathy. It can cause life- threatening irregular heartbeats. Maradona led to its World Cup victory against Mexico in 1986.

O'BRIEN: All right. We sometimes call this the "Mars Minute," this is going to be the other-than-Mars-minute, the "Space Minute." Let's start the clock now and give you an update on what is going on in the world of orbit -- in the orbit of orbits.

First of all, the International Space Station crew No. 9, 9, is on its way to the International Space Station right now. Docking will happen midnight Eastern time tomorrow, thereabouts, actually into the wee hours of Wednesday.

Take a look at the new crew on its way up as you look at some of the pictures fed from the Soyuz rocket on the way. That, my friends is Mike Fincke, he is the science officer on board, Gennady Padalka is in the center there, look at that little stick he has to use to reach the instruments on the Soyuz, it's such a cramped fit.

Finally over there is Andre Kuipers, he is from Belgium. And he is on his way for a week-long stint. He will come back with the Expedition 8 crew, Mike Foale and Alexander Kaleri, they have been up there for six months.

Meanwhile, on the pad at the Vandenburg Air Force Base in California, after 40 years remains Gravity Probe B. And that's not a bad 1950s movie, it is a project, which will settle for once and for all Einstein's theory of Relativity, Kyra. Because I know you're curious about this.

Quickly, let's show the animation of how it's going to work when it finally gets into space it will home in on a guide star using very, very carefully calibrated gyroscopes, the most precise gyroscopes ever, will determine if there is any sort of wiggle in the spacecraft as a result of its positioning in space near Earth. And then in so doing will determine if large bodies in space actually create sort of a change in the time space continuum. And that's as good as it gets for a history major, folks. That's all I can tell you. Thank you... PHILLIPS: Thank you, Miles.

O'BRIEN: ... for your patience and forbearance.

The Patriot Act, a serious subject, was designed to help investigators after 9/11. But do parts of it go too far? We'll talk about it, debate it a little later on LIVE FROM...

PHILLIPS: Also, ouch, surviving the crash test. How well does your car do against SUVs? Well, we'll show you just ahead.

O'BRIEN: That's an ugly SUV they use, by the way.

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