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Aired May 05, 2004 - 13:35 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: John Kerry campaigning today in Los Angeles, California. Kerry arrived in L.A. last night. Among today's stops, a visit to Woodrow Wilson High School, as the Democratic candidate continues to push his plan to strengthen America's school. And since it's May 5, Kerry will also take part in Cinco De Mayo festivities in East Los Angeles. Live pictures right now. It's also a chance to court Latino voters. Kerry's been battling criticism that his campaign is neglecting that politically powerful constituency.
And a busy day in Washington, as the president juggles politics and diplomacy. First, the interview seen on Arabic-language television about Iraqi prisoner abuse, then a meeting with the prime minister of Singapore. In just a short while, he'll make remarks from the White House on Cinco De Mayo, and then tonight, he and Mrs. Bush will attend an event sponsored by the Republican National Committee.
While the candidates stump for votes, a bipartisan committee looks at how those votes will be counted. In a bid to avoid the chad debacle from last presidential election, at least 50 million Americans are due to cast their votes electronically, but high tech has turned into high drama.
Sean Callebs has more on the fans and the foes of e-voting -- Sean.
SEAN CALLEBS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Andy, the chorus of those concerned about the reliability of high-tech voting machines is growing. Efforts are under way to try and protect electronic polling from hackers and bad software. Many states began rushing to find an alternative method of casting ballots after the Florida election fiasco back in 2000. They are seeking a way to do away with paper ballots and forever purge the words "hanging chad" from our vocabulary.
Critics say touchscreen machines could pose problems, however, in part, because they don't leave a paper trail. Today marked the first public hearing by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission. Many states are demanding some kind of paper record as a backup. Even experts admit there is no way to guarantee electronic machines willing fool-proof.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We really need to look at what we can do with our existing voting systems to compensate for these vulnerabilities, that we know are there. And I agree with Dr. Rubin, in that you can't compensate them 100 percent. But nobody guarantees me that airplane I'm flying home on is 100 percent safe either.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CALLEBS: California secretary of state is giving his state's effort to make the switch to electronic machine a failing grade. Machines in more than half the precincts in San Diego County malfunctioned during the March presidential primary. Congress created the election assistance program in 2002 and is distributing nearly $4 billion to help states upgrade their voting systems. Election day is six months away, and some computer scientists maintain touchscreen voting is no safer from glitches, hackers and viruses than your home computer -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: All right, Sean. So you wonder, billion of dollars later, do we stick with the paper ballot, or do we trust this computer system?
CALLEBS: That's here what some of the people are saying. You're exactly right. Two years of study, $3.9 billion, some of the best computer scientists in the world, and basically the lead idea that is being universally accepted, make sure you keep paper ballots on hand just in case the electronic machines go down. You figure they could have got that for a little bit less money.
PHILLIPS: Yes, really. All right, Sean Callebs, out of Washington. Thanks, Sean.
Well, gauging a threat of domestic terror. Straight ahead, a behind-the-scenes look at how threats are carefully screened behind the scenes in the U.S.
Also, washing your windows. We've got the latest on the Sasser worm affecting millions of computers worldwide. Get ready for the summer blockbusters. "Spider-man 2" is one of several big films on tap for the summer season. We'll give you a little sneak peek.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PHILLIPS: The terror threat that put Los Angeles on edge last week was fake, authorities now say. They've charged a Canadian resident who was allegedly trying to get back as an ex-girlfriend by naming her in the purported plot. Justice correspondent Kelli Arena looks at how experts sort out information and decide when to warn the public.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
KELLI ARENA, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Officials in Los Angeles say they had no choice but to alert the public. An anonymous caller warning of an attack on a shopping mall gave them a date and a location.
JAMES HAHN, MAYOR OF LOS ANGELES: We think, in abundance of caution, it was important to share it with the public.
ARENA: But often the information coming in is more generic. For example, this year there had been threats against Texas oil refineries, planes flying into the United States, and commercial transportation in -- quote -- "big U.S. cities."
RAY KELLY, NYPD COMMISSIONER: If it is very general in nature, then obviously that is given a lot less weight than something that is more specific and where the source has a track record.
ARENA: In Maryland, threat information is funneled to this center, analyzed and shared with the agencies who can best respond statewide.
TERRENCE SHERIDAN, BALTIMORE COUNTY POLICE CHIEF: If we have a call coming into here about some suspicious activity, we have got people out in patrol 24 hours a day, seven days a week that can get that information and start the initial investigation.
ARENA: CNN was granted exclusive access, but many of these individuals work under cover and much of the information gathered here is sensitive. The center houses law enforcement, public health and homeland security officials.
KEVIN PERKINS, BALTIMORE FBI AGENT IN CHARGE: The key to some form of comfort level in the general public is for the public to know that information sharing between these agencies is taking place, not only information sharing, but appropriate action is taking place. No leads are going uncovered.
ARENA: Nearly all officials say, given the huge amount of information, it is difficult for professionals to sort out what is important and to connect the dots, much less the general public.
DENNIS SCHRADER, DIRECTOR, MARYLAND HOMELAND SECURITY: There is always that tradeoff between how public you are, but how discrete you are depending on the situation. And if you overreact on a regular basis, then people won't take it seriously.
ARENA: While law enforcement may not always share the leads it is running down with the public, officials say it is imperative that relationship work the other way around.
PERKINS: Let us decide what is credible and not. If you see something that is suspicious to you, please call us.
ARENA: Kelli Arena, CNN, Washington.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PHILLIPS: The FBI is on the case as Sasser picks up steam. The feds are heading a task force now to dig up the brains behind the worm. So far, home PCs are taking the worst of it. Our technology correspondent Daniel Sieberg has more on the Sasser worm and the investigation. What's going on?
DANIEL SIEBERG, CNN TECH CORRESPONDENT: Kyra, that's right. It is still continuing to spread. And this is a worm, as opposed to a virus meaning it doesn't need you to spread around. It's not spreading through e-mail, it's spreading through infected computers, computers that aren't patching this vulnerability in the Microsoft Windows 2000 and XP.
We can tell you a few places where it has been hitting around the world. This has infected more than a million PCs around the world. We're hearing reports that some British Airways flights were delayed due to some Sasser troubles. That's the name of the worm, Sasser. The British Coast Guard ran into some trouble when it was hit with Sasser. In fact, they had to use pen and paper for charts normally generated by computers. It hit some public hospitals in Hong Kong apparently. One-third of Taiwan's post office branches, some major corporations in the U.S.
And of course hundreds of thousand, if not more, home users, who weren't protected and maybe didn't know about it. It has been spreading for a few days now. So what can you do if you're worried your machine has been infected?
I'll turn to our computer and show you one of the things to do. Start off at the Microsoft homepage. It is a Microsoft vulnerability. You can see at the top it says Sasser worm, important information. Click on that. It will bring you to a page that explains about the worm.
There are some variants. Sasser worm and its variants. At least four different version already spreading. If you scroll down, it talks about enabling a firewall. That's to stop your computer from spreading this around. You have to quell it first, stop it on your computer before you can install it on your computer and patch it.
The link will come up. It says, "Check my PC for Infection." You can see if your computer is infected. Also click a licensing agreement. That says by the way this checking on your computer can also cause a problem. No guarantee here. So you want to be careful of that.
And eventually, you want to update it and get anti-virus software on your computer. So that's sort of the basic 101 on what to do and make sure you're protected.
PHILLIPS: We mentioned the brains behind the worm. What do we know so far?
SIEBERG: As you mentioned, the FBI and Microsoft are tracking down the virus writer. We do have a clue. This comes from Sofos. It's actually embedded in not this particular worm, but another virus. There's another virus that appears to be written by the same author as the Sasser worm.
This virus claims to be a solution or a way to fix the worm. It says, "Hey AV firms, do you know we programmed the Sasser virus?" And there's other notes about the coding. And they're claiming to be from the Skynet Group which looks to be a group responsible for a number of different viruses, worm out there. They appear to be from Russia.
Just the tip of the iceberg now. There's no guarantee this is them. And the speculations range on why someone would do this, everything from just causing trouble, because they can, to be malicious and cause a headache for a lot of people.
Or, in many cases, these machines if you have not patched your machine, we should say it doesn't delete or destroy anything on your computer. But it does leave open a back door which these hackers could exploit later by sending out spam or take over your computer or stealing information.
You want to take this seriously. It has a playful name, but it's not to be taken lightly.
PHILLIPS: These guys could have taken their time and used their smarts for something much more constructive.
(CROSSTALK)
PHILLIPS: All right, Daniel Sieberg, thank you.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PHILLIPS: Tomorrow night may be the finale of "Friends," but a DVD of the final episode will allow fans to savor the event over and over. Warner Home Video will put out the disc next week. Amazon is already taking orders. Warner is a division of CNN's parent company, Time Warner, for the sake of giving you the whole truth, nothing but the truth.
Well, when eating turns into a sport, Crazy Legs Conte turns becomes a world class competitor. His latest stunt in a chamber of popcorn shows why he's called the gurgitater.
Our own Jeanne Moos was there to watch.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): You probably eat popcorn in a darkened theater. Crazy Legs Conte (ph) inhaled it in a seven-foot glass box.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Evel Knievel of the (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
MOOS: They dumped bag after bag of popcorn on him. He used a snorkel to breathe in what they called ...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The popcorn sarcophagus.
MOOS: There was a color-coded warning system. Green if OK. Red if in trouble.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yellow, which is either for warning, or more butter.
MOOS: If David Blaine can starve himself in a box, why can't Conte (ph) stuff himself with popcorn here at the Tribeca Film Festival? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Give us a sign, Crazy Legs. He's eating. Of course he has nine hours left to eat.
MOOS: Nine hours before the debut of a documentary about his career as a competitive eater. Crazy Legs did this as a publicity stunt.
(on camera): Salt?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I believe this came salted.
MOOS (voice-over): Occasionally a kernel stuck. An EMT stood by.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If he was to choke, I would have to perform the Heimlich maneuver.
MOOS (on camera): You need a little wipeoff here?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I could definitely use a little wipe-off, thank you, yes. That would be good.
MOOS (voice-over): He's eaten everything from turkey to oysters. But oysters went down slimy. Not this.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I may have to call for some chapstick in a little bit.
MOOS: And though his lips were dry, his clothes were soaked in sweat and butter.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You may want to use a napkin after you're done touching me.
MOOS: After eating down to his chest, Crazy Legs gave up. The so-called Houdini of cuisiney was a little wobbly.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It wasn't the corn, or the pop. It was definitely the butter.
MOOS: And if you're looking for something to curb your appetite, you can't lick this.
Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
(BUSINESS UPDATE)
PHILLIPS: The pictures were horrific, and President Bush calls them "abhorrent." But what went wrong? Coming up next in the second hour of LIVE FROM, we'll talk to a military intelligence expert on interrogating international suspects. You won't want to miss this.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It's also important for the people of Iraq to know that in a democracy, everything is not perfect, that mistakes are made. But in a democracy, as well, those mistakes will be investigated and people will be brought to justice.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PHILLIPS: A message to cheap up a mess, President Bush talks with Arabic-language networks about alleged abuse inside an Iraqi prison. Inside interrogation, just how far can American investigators go with a prisoner? We'll talk with a man who says that's a pretty tough question.
And is your spouse making you sick? Take the marriage stress test this hour.
And here's a guy the whole world looks up to. Bet you can guess why his name is getting into the records books.
TO ORDER A VIDEO OF THIS TRANSCRIPT, PLEASE CALL 800-CNN-NEWS OR USE OUR SECURE ONLINE ORDER FORM LOCATED AT www.fdch.com
Aired May 5, 2004 - 13:35 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: John Kerry campaigning today in Los Angeles, California. Kerry arrived in L.A. last night. Among today's stops, a visit to Woodrow Wilson High School, as the Democratic candidate continues to push his plan to strengthen America's school. And since it's May 5, Kerry will also take part in Cinco De Mayo festivities in East Los Angeles. Live pictures right now. It's also a chance to court Latino voters. Kerry's been battling criticism that his campaign is neglecting that politically powerful constituency.
And a busy day in Washington, as the president juggles politics and diplomacy. First, the interview seen on Arabic-language television about Iraqi prisoner abuse, then a meeting with the prime minister of Singapore. In just a short while, he'll make remarks from the White House on Cinco De Mayo, and then tonight, he and Mrs. Bush will attend an event sponsored by the Republican National Committee.
While the candidates stump for votes, a bipartisan committee looks at how those votes will be counted. In a bid to avoid the chad debacle from last presidential election, at least 50 million Americans are due to cast their votes electronically, but high tech has turned into high drama.
Sean Callebs has more on the fans and the foes of e-voting -- Sean.
SEAN CALLEBS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Andy, the chorus of those concerned about the reliability of high-tech voting machines is growing. Efforts are under way to try and protect electronic polling from hackers and bad software. Many states began rushing to find an alternative method of casting ballots after the Florida election fiasco back in 2000. They are seeking a way to do away with paper ballots and forever purge the words "hanging chad" from our vocabulary.
Critics say touchscreen machines could pose problems, however, in part, because they don't leave a paper trail. Today marked the first public hearing by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission. Many states are demanding some kind of paper record as a backup. Even experts admit there is no way to guarantee electronic machines willing fool-proof.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We really need to look at what we can do with our existing voting systems to compensate for these vulnerabilities, that we know are there. And I agree with Dr. Rubin, in that you can't compensate them 100 percent. But nobody guarantees me that airplane I'm flying home on is 100 percent safe either.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CALLEBS: California secretary of state is giving his state's effort to make the switch to electronic machine a failing grade. Machines in more than half the precincts in San Diego County malfunctioned during the March presidential primary. Congress created the election assistance program in 2002 and is distributing nearly $4 billion to help states upgrade their voting systems. Election day is six months away, and some computer scientists maintain touchscreen voting is no safer from glitches, hackers and viruses than your home computer -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: All right, Sean. So you wonder, billion of dollars later, do we stick with the paper ballot, or do we trust this computer system?
CALLEBS: That's here what some of the people are saying. You're exactly right. Two years of study, $3.9 billion, some of the best computer scientists in the world, and basically the lead idea that is being universally accepted, make sure you keep paper ballots on hand just in case the electronic machines go down. You figure they could have got that for a little bit less money.
PHILLIPS: Yes, really. All right, Sean Callebs, out of Washington. Thanks, Sean.
Well, gauging a threat of domestic terror. Straight ahead, a behind-the-scenes look at how threats are carefully screened behind the scenes in the U.S.
Also, washing your windows. We've got the latest on the Sasser worm affecting millions of computers worldwide. Get ready for the summer blockbusters. "Spider-man 2" is one of several big films on tap for the summer season. We'll give you a little sneak peek.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PHILLIPS: The terror threat that put Los Angeles on edge last week was fake, authorities now say. They've charged a Canadian resident who was allegedly trying to get back as an ex-girlfriend by naming her in the purported plot. Justice correspondent Kelli Arena looks at how experts sort out information and decide when to warn the public.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
KELLI ARENA, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Officials in Los Angeles say they had no choice but to alert the public. An anonymous caller warning of an attack on a shopping mall gave them a date and a location.
JAMES HAHN, MAYOR OF LOS ANGELES: We think, in abundance of caution, it was important to share it with the public.
ARENA: But often the information coming in is more generic. For example, this year there had been threats against Texas oil refineries, planes flying into the United States, and commercial transportation in -- quote -- "big U.S. cities."
RAY KELLY, NYPD COMMISSIONER: If it is very general in nature, then obviously that is given a lot less weight than something that is more specific and where the source has a track record.
ARENA: In Maryland, threat information is funneled to this center, analyzed and shared with the agencies who can best respond statewide.
TERRENCE SHERIDAN, BALTIMORE COUNTY POLICE CHIEF: If we have a call coming into here about some suspicious activity, we have got people out in patrol 24 hours a day, seven days a week that can get that information and start the initial investigation.
ARENA: CNN was granted exclusive access, but many of these individuals work under cover and much of the information gathered here is sensitive. The center houses law enforcement, public health and homeland security officials.
KEVIN PERKINS, BALTIMORE FBI AGENT IN CHARGE: The key to some form of comfort level in the general public is for the public to know that information sharing between these agencies is taking place, not only information sharing, but appropriate action is taking place. No leads are going uncovered.
ARENA: Nearly all officials say, given the huge amount of information, it is difficult for professionals to sort out what is important and to connect the dots, much less the general public.
DENNIS SCHRADER, DIRECTOR, MARYLAND HOMELAND SECURITY: There is always that tradeoff between how public you are, but how discrete you are depending on the situation. And if you overreact on a regular basis, then people won't take it seriously.
ARENA: While law enforcement may not always share the leads it is running down with the public, officials say it is imperative that relationship work the other way around.
PERKINS: Let us decide what is credible and not. If you see something that is suspicious to you, please call us.
ARENA: Kelli Arena, CNN, Washington.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PHILLIPS: The FBI is on the case as Sasser picks up steam. The feds are heading a task force now to dig up the brains behind the worm. So far, home PCs are taking the worst of it. Our technology correspondent Daniel Sieberg has more on the Sasser worm and the investigation. What's going on?
DANIEL SIEBERG, CNN TECH CORRESPONDENT: Kyra, that's right. It is still continuing to spread. And this is a worm, as opposed to a virus meaning it doesn't need you to spread around. It's not spreading through e-mail, it's spreading through infected computers, computers that aren't patching this vulnerability in the Microsoft Windows 2000 and XP.
We can tell you a few places where it has been hitting around the world. This has infected more than a million PCs around the world. We're hearing reports that some British Airways flights were delayed due to some Sasser troubles. That's the name of the worm, Sasser. The British Coast Guard ran into some trouble when it was hit with Sasser. In fact, they had to use pen and paper for charts normally generated by computers. It hit some public hospitals in Hong Kong apparently. One-third of Taiwan's post office branches, some major corporations in the U.S.
And of course hundreds of thousand, if not more, home users, who weren't protected and maybe didn't know about it. It has been spreading for a few days now. So what can you do if you're worried your machine has been infected?
I'll turn to our computer and show you one of the things to do. Start off at the Microsoft homepage. It is a Microsoft vulnerability. You can see at the top it says Sasser worm, important information. Click on that. It will bring you to a page that explains about the worm.
There are some variants. Sasser worm and its variants. At least four different version already spreading. If you scroll down, it talks about enabling a firewall. That's to stop your computer from spreading this around. You have to quell it first, stop it on your computer before you can install it on your computer and patch it.
The link will come up. It says, "Check my PC for Infection." You can see if your computer is infected. Also click a licensing agreement. That says by the way this checking on your computer can also cause a problem. No guarantee here. So you want to be careful of that.
And eventually, you want to update it and get anti-virus software on your computer. So that's sort of the basic 101 on what to do and make sure you're protected.
PHILLIPS: We mentioned the brains behind the worm. What do we know so far?
SIEBERG: As you mentioned, the FBI and Microsoft are tracking down the virus writer. We do have a clue. This comes from Sofos. It's actually embedded in not this particular worm, but another virus. There's another virus that appears to be written by the same author as the Sasser worm.
This virus claims to be a solution or a way to fix the worm. It says, "Hey AV firms, do you know we programmed the Sasser virus?" And there's other notes about the coding. And they're claiming to be from the Skynet Group which looks to be a group responsible for a number of different viruses, worm out there. They appear to be from Russia.
Just the tip of the iceberg now. There's no guarantee this is them. And the speculations range on why someone would do this, everything from just causing trouble, because they can, to be malicious and cause a headache for a lot of people.
Or, in many cases, these machines if you have not patched your machine, we should say it doesn't delete or destroy anything on your computer. But it does leave open a back door which these hackers could exploit later by sending out spam or take over your computer or stealing information.
You want to take this seriously. It has a playful name, but it's not to be taken lightly.
PHILLIPS: These guys could have taken their time and used their smarts for something much more constructive.
(CROSSTALK)
PHILLIPS: All right, Daniel Sieberg, thank you.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PHILLIPS: Tomorrow night may be the finale of "Friends," but a DVD of the final episode will allow fans to savor the event over and over. Warner Home Video will put out the disc next week. Amazon is already taking orders. Warner is a division of CNN's parent company, Time Warner, for the sake of giving you the whole truth, nothing but the truth.
Well, when eating turns into a sport, Crazy Legs Conte turns becomes a world class competitor. His latest stunt in a chamber of popcorn shows why he's called the gurgitater.
Our own Jeanne Moos was there to watch.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): You probably eat popcorn in a darkened theater. Crazy Legs Conte (ph) inhaled it in a seven-foot glass box.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Evel Knievel of the (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
MOOS: They dumped bag after bag of popcorn on him. He used a snorkel to breathe in what they called ...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The popcorn sarcophagus.
MOOS: There was a color-coded warning system. Green if OK. Red if in trouble.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yellow, which is either for warning, or more butter.
MOOS: If David Blaine can starve himself in a box, why can't Conte (ph) stuff himself with popcorn here at the Tribeca Film Festival? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Give us a sign, Crazy Legs. He's eating. Of course he has nine hours left to eat.
MOOS: Nine hours before the debut of a documentary about his career as a competitive eater. Crazy Legs did this as a publicity stunt.
(on camera): Salt?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I believe this came salted.
MOOS (voice-over): Occasionally a kernel stuck. An EMT stood by.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If he was to choke, I would have to perform the Heimlich maneuver.
MOOS (on camera): You need a little wipeoff here?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I could definitely use a little wipe-off, thank you, yes. That would be good.
MOOS (voice-over): He's eaten everything from turkey to oysters. But oysters went down slimy. Not this.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I may have to call for some chapstick in a little bit.
MOOS: And though his lips were dry, his clothes were soaked in sweat and butter.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You may want to use a napkin after you're done touching me.
MOOS: After eating down to his chest, Crazy Legs gave up. The so-called Houdini of cuisiney was a little wobbly.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It wasn't the corn, or the pop. It was definitely the butter.
MOOS: And if you're looking for something to curb your appetite, you can't lick this.
Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
(BUSINESS UPDATE)
PHILLIPS: The pictures were horrific, and President Bush calls them "abhorrent." But what went wrong? Coming up next in the second hour of LIVE FROM, we'll talk to a military intelligence expert on interrogating international suspects. You won't want to miss this.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It's also important for the people of Iraq to know that in a democracy, everything is not perfect, that mistakes are made. But in a democracy, as well, those mistakes will be investigated and people will be brought to justice.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PHILLIPS: A message to cheap up a mess, President Bush talks with Arabic-language networks about alleged abuse inside an Iraqi prison. Inside interrogation, just how far can American investigators go with a prisoner? We'll talk with a man who says that's a pretty tough question.
And is your spouse making you sick? Take the marriage stress test this hour.
And here's a guy the whole world looks up to. Bet you can guess why his name is getting into the records books.
TO ORDER A VIDEO OF THIS TRANSCRIPT, PLEASE CALL 800-CNN-NEWS OR USE OUR SECURE ONLINE ORDER FORM LOCATED AT www.fdch.com
