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Justice: Padilla Was Planning to Blow Up Apartment Buildings in U.S.

Aired June 01, 2004 - 13:33   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: New information this hour on so-called dirty bomb suspect Jose Padilla. The Justice Department says he was planning to blow up apartment buildings in the United States. Padilla is an American citizen who is being held as an enemy combatant at a prison in South Carolina.
Now for the latest on this, we want to go to CNN Justice Department Kelli Arena correspondent with more on the case against suspect Jose Padilla. What have you learned, Kelli?

KELLI ARENA, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Well, as you know, there's been a lot of controversy over Jose Padilla being held as an enemy combatant for nearly two years because he is a U.S. citizen and he has not been charged.

What the Justice Department did today was release some declassified information which they say came from interrogations of Jose Padilla to justify that classification. In these documents it is revealed, according to the government, that Jose Padilla admits to going to terror training camps in Afghanistan.

He admits to getting specialized training in explosives, he admits to having a relationship and to discussing terror plots with the most senior of al Qaeda's operatives, Abu Zubaydah, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, to name two of them.

He admits agreeing with al Qaeda to come to the United States to blow up apartment buildings using natural gas. And according to the government, he admits discussing a dirty bomb, radiological bomb plot, to be carried out here in the United States.

We spoke to Padilla's lawyer, Donna Newman, from New Jersey earlier today. And she said that this is just one more case of the government being allowed to represent its side of the story without giving Padilla a chance to come to the table if a court of law with his side.

She's been pushing for the government to charge him, criminally charge him, arguing that if they've got the goods and if he's as dangerous as they say he is, that this should be discussed in court.

The government retorting, saying this is an al Qaeda soldier who came to the United States with the intention of killing thousands, he's an enemy combatant and we're justified doing that. Back to you.

NGUYEN: Of course, we are learning a lot more about this. Kelli Arena, thank you -- Kyra.

KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: All right, let's talk more about this with Jim Walsh. He's a fellow at the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at Harvard University. He joins us live from Boston.

Breaking news here, Jim, as this comes down. First of all, do you think we are only seeing the government's side of this situation?

JIM WALSH, FELLOW, BELFER CNTR. FOR SCIENCE AND INTNL. AFFAIRS, HARVARD UNIV.: Well, that's absolutely the case. We are only getting the accusations the government has against Mr. Padilla. His lawyer has not been able to meet with him on a frequent occasion or on a regular basis. He's been kept away, kept in confinement, without charges. So it is a rather lopsided affair.

I found the whole event sort of a curious event. Essentially the government held a press conference, to announce facts about a case it's not going to go court over. And what's more, these were facts that they've had for a long time but for some reason decided today to release them.

PHILLIPS: Why today? Why would they all of a sudden decide to release these? Could we see this end up in court?

WALSH: Well I'm no mind reader. I can't imagine why they decided today. There are a company of possibilities. One is they may be worried about the Supreme Court opinions that are coming down and being deliberated. There are a number of challenges to the PATRIOT Act and to the way the Bush administration has handled what this new term, "enemy combatants," is.

And of course this is the most extreme case. This is a case of an American citizen who has been locked up for two years without access to a lawyer and without charges. That really pushes the envelope legally. And so there are a number of cases that will be coming down.

It may be the Justice Department's attempt to influence that outcome. It may be something as simple as wanting to dominate the news agenda today. Senator Kerry's giving a speech on weapons of mass destruction and proliferation. This involves weapons of mass destruction and proliferation. So perhaps they're linked in that way.

PHILLIPS: We're treading on sort of loose territory here, I guess. It seems like there are a lot of gaps. So does that mean we could possibly hear from Padilla?

WALSH: I don't think we're going to hear from Padilla. They haven't kept him locked up for two years just for fun. They want to keep this guy on ice.

Now they may be forced by the courts to put him on trial or to allow his lawyer greater access or to honor some of the due process rights that we all enjoy as Americans. So that could change in the near term, but I don't think they're going to let him out talking anytime soon.

PHILLIPS: Jim Walsh, Kennedy School of Government there at Harvard University. Thanks.

We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PHILLIPS: The controversy over gay rights is intensifying after a move by gay rights supporters. Sunday parishioners wearing rainbow- colored sashes walked up to receive communion at a Catholic church in Chicago. Well, priests refused them. In St. Paul, Minnesota, gay parishioners were blocked at the altar by other Catholics. Should the church be able to refuse gays communion?

Joining us from Minneapolis, Brian McNeil of the Rainbow Sash Alliance, and Dr. David Pence, spokesman for Catholic layman's group Ushers of the Eucharist.

Gentlemen, thanks both for being with me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're welcome.

PHILLIPS: Brian, let's start with you. And you know, so many people have been calling this a protest. Was this a protest? And also tell us what the Rainbow Sash means to you.

BRIAN MCNEIL, RAINBOW SASH ALLIANCE: It was not a protest. It was gay Catholics attending Eucharist on the feast of Pentecost, celebrating with our fellow Catholics the descent of the Holy Spirit, the birth of the church, and also celebrating our sexuality as lesbians, gay, bisexual and transgender people. So it was not a protest. It was being present, visibly present, as gay people in a Catholic Church, and we do this on Pentecost every year. We've done this in St. Paul since 2001.

PHILLIPS: So, Doctor Pence, why not allow the gays to have communion? Is it because the Catholic Church thought they were boasting about being gay?

DR. DAVID PENCE, USHERS OF THE EUCHARIST: Well, I think first you have to understand that the Eucharist, where we were on Sunday, is the most sacred event in Catholic life. It's the way that we bury our dead. It's what we do at the time of marriage. It's the way that we celebrate the lord's day every week. It is a sacred mystery. And to come to the Eucharist, there's a lot of restrictions, which we can't all get into here today, but there's a lot of restrictions. It's not a happy meal. The Catholic Eucharist is a different event than a lot of other kinds of communion.

And what we had on Sunday were people taking something the church teaches is a serious disorder. Homosexuality is a grievous disorder of an appetite, and if there's activity, it is a mortal sin. And they are celebrating that and asking it be incorporated into the holiest, most sacred time... PHILLIPS: All right, Dr. Pence, wait, let me stop you right there, because nowhere in the Bible, does it talk about homosexuality as a disorder, or a disease or as a form of sexuality imposed by God. That's not pointed out anywhere in the Bible. It's the Bible -- and we can go through the quotes. We can bring up first Corinthians talking about the homosexual act, but not the homosexual. It's talks about sexual offenders. So what do you mean by disorder?

PENCE: OK, well first, I can see that you're not a Catholic, ma'am, because the idea of a disorder in the Catholic Church, it has to do with a teaching. It is not a quote from the Bible, OK, but there is a teaching on the nature of sexuality, in which we believe that sexuality belongs inside a covenant called marriage. And any sexuality that is not ordered toward that is disordered. And two males having erotic impulses for each other, that in and of itself is a fundamental disorder. And you can read documents from the congregation of the defense of the faith, and you'll find that.

PHILLIPS: But, Brian, I'm going to step in, because whether I'm Catholic or not, that doesn't matter in this discussion. I'm just pointing out the facts of the Bible.

Brian, what's your response?

PENCE: My point is that, ma'am, Catholic thinking is not just -- you don't just take a quote from the Bible. There's a clear-cut teaching on sexuality in the Catholic Church, and I'm just trying to give you the Catholic position.

PHILLIPS: So, Brian, what's the difference between -- I thought the teachings were based on the bible?

MCNEIL: Ideally, they are. They are rooted in scripture. But dr. Pence is correct here that the current Catholic teaching, the official teaching of the magisterium of the church, is that gays are objectively disordered. I could read you the quote from a 1987 document issued by the Vatican says, "Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil, and thus the inclination itself must be scene as an objective disorder." So the church does say we are objectively disordered. However, I know that Dr. Pence is a physician, and the American Medical Association disagrees.

PHILLIPS: But who decides that it's a disorder? You're saying that the Bible has nothing to do with the church in this...

PENCE: No, the Bible has a lot to do with it about. The bible's teaching on sexuality, from Genesis through Christ teaching on marriage, is that sexuality is for a monogamous, heterosexual relationship. It's a positive teaching. To deal with the question of, would they ever call gays, like, married or a good relationship, in the Bible it didn't even come up; it was too ludicrous to even think about. That's why it's not specifically in the Bible.

I want to say one other thing about the day that we did. It was...

PHILLIPS: I was -- due to breaking news, unfortunately, we lost our satellite there in a debate that, obviously, is extremely heated, and by no means do we want to take sides on either side of the issue.

Brian, we unfortunately lost Dr. David Pence, spokesperson for the Catholic layman's group, Ushers of the Eucharist.

And I'm told now we just lost the satellite with Brian McNeil of the Rainbow Sash Alliance. We will try to recapture that debate. I don't think we did just to either side there. We apologize for that. We'll try to get back to it -- Betty.

NGUYEN: This we do have: a big blow to President Bush's plan to ban a form of late-term abortion. A federal judge in San Francisco has declared Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 unconstitutional. The judge says the measure infringes on a woman's right to choose. The ruling comes in a lawsuit filed by planned parenthood. Federal judges in two other states have also heard challenges to that ban. They have yet to rule.

Meanwhile, Democratic candidate John Kerry sounds an alarm about terrorists getting hands on nuclear weapons and he says, if he's president, he'll do more to prevent the possible threat. At this hour, he is outlining his policy on the issue before a group of first- responders in Florida. He says the potential for nuclear terrorism is the gravest threat facing the U.S.. And we want to take a listen at what he said a little bit earlier.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. JOHN KERRY (D-MA), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: As president, my No. 1 security goal, to protect the United States of America and to win the war on terror most effectively will be to prevent terrorists from gaining weapons of mass murder and ensure that hostile states disarm. That is our priority.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NGUYEN: Again, John Kerry speaking about terrorism in West Palm Beach, Florida. We'll have more hear on LIVE FROM. Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

NGUYEN: It was an eventful holiday weekend for a Texas teenager but one he never wants to relive. Sixteen-year-old Ryan Extram (ph) was wading in the ocean along Galveston Island on Saturday when a four-foot long shark bit him. A beach patrolman says it's only the fourth confirmed shark attack he knows of in the area in some 20 years.

PHILLIPS: You'll love this story. Gorillas at the zoo in Dallas, Texas are getting a steady diet of television. Reporter James Rose of affiliate KDFW shows us why.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) JAMES ROSE, KDFW CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In march, a 13- year-old gorilla named Jabari escaped from the Dallas Zoo injuring three people before police had to shoot and kill him. Ever since the five other lowland gorilla had been kept in an 8,000-square foot holding area outside the view of the public.

KEITH ZDROJEWSKI, GORILLA ZOOKEEPER: They're so intelligent that to leave them be and not give them anything to stimulate their thinking, they would get bored very fast.

ROSE: Gorilla zookeeper Keith Zdrojewski uses food, puzzles and lately even a TV to keep them from getting bored.

This is Patrick, the lone teenager. Look how intense he's watching TV. He especially loves gorilla documentaries.

ZDROJEWSKI: He seems to enjoy -- he'll spent a bunch of time watching those than cartoons.

ROSE: Yes, cartoons. Maybe it's because they can relate.

"LISA SIMPSON": You, sir, are a baboon!

"HOMER SIMPSON": Me?

"LISA SIMPSON": Yes, you!

"BART SIMPSON": Bart likey what Bart heary.

"LISA SIMPSON": Baboon, baboon, baboon!

ROSE: Actually, Zdrojewski says, Patrick prefers children's cartoons because of all of the vibrant colors. But that doesn't appeal to all ages of gorillas.

ZDROJEWSKI: There are silverback that will glance at the TV but the youngest one, Patrick, who's 14, he the one that tends to watch the most.

ROSE (on camera): As you can see, the TV is outside the reach of the gorilla behind this iron mesh. That's because lowland gorillas are notoriously harsh critics.

Oh, and none of them get the remote.

ZDROJEWSKI: The older ones have been around for a while, they've seen a lot of different things. So it's hard to get them interested in new, innovative ideas.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PHILLIPS: Here's an idea you can tune to the TV, to CNN, of course, to just keep those brain cells active.

(MARKET UPDATE) NGUYEN: Here's a question. Do you believe in ghosts? Kyra says, maybe. In our next hour of LIVE FROM..., we'll introduce you to modern day ghost hunters trying to break through to the spiritual realm.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

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Aired June 1, 2004 - 13:33   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: New information this hour on so-called dirty bomb suspect Jose Padilla. The Justice Department says he was planning to blow up apartment buildings in the United States. Padilla is an American citizen who is being held as an enemy combatant at a prison in South Carolina.
Now for the latest on this, we want to go to CNN Justice Department Kelli Arena correspondent with more on the case against suspect Jose Padilla. What have you learned, Kelli?

KELLI ARENA, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Well, as you know, there's been a lot of controversy over Jose Padilla being held as an enemy combatant for nearly two years because he is a U.S. citizen and he has not been charged.

What the Justice Department did today was release some declassified information which they say came from interrogations of Jose Padilla to justify that classification. In these documents it is revealed, according to the government, that Jose Padilla admits to going to terror training camps in Afghanistan.

He admits to getting specialized training in explosives, he admits to having a relationship and to discussing terror plots with the most senior of al Qaeda's operatives, Abu Zubaydah, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, to name two of them.

He admits agreeing with al Qaeda to come to the United States to blow up apartment buildings using natural gas. And according to the government, he admits discussing a dirty bomb, radiological bomb plot, to be carried out here in the United States.

We spoke to Padilla's lawyer, Donna Newman, from New Jersey earlier today. And she said that this is just one more case of the government being allowed to represent its side of the story without giving Padilla a chance to come to the table if a court of law with his side.

She's been pushing for the government to charge him, criminally charge him, arguing that if they've got the goods and if he's as dangerous as they say he is, that this should be discussed in court.

The government retorting, saying this is an al Qaeda soldier who came to the United States with the intention of killing thousands, he's an enemy combatant and we're justified doing that. Back to you.

NGUYEN: Of course, we are learning a lot more about this. Kelli Arena, thank you -- Kyra.

KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: All right, let's talk more about this with Jim Walsh. He's a fellow at the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at Harvard University. He joins us live from Boston.

Breaking news here, Jim, as this comes down. First of all, do you think we are only seeing the government's side of this situation?

JIM WALSH, FELLOW, BELFER CNTR. FOR SCIENCE AND INTNL. AFFAIRS, HARVARD UNIV.: Well, that's absolutely the case. We are only getting the accusations the government has against Mr. Padilla. His lawyer has not been able to meet with him on a frequent occasion or on a regular basis. He's been kept away, kept in confinement, without charges. So it is a rather lopsided affair.

I found the whole event sort of a curious event. Essentially the government held a press conference, to announce facts about a case it's not going to go court over. And what's more, these were facts that they've had for a long time but for some reason decided today to release them.

PHILLIPS: Why today? Why would they all of a sudden decide to release these? Could we see this end up in court?

WALSH: Well I'm no mind reader. I can't imagine why they decided today. There are a company of possibilities. One is they may be worried about the Supreme Court opinions that are coming down and being deliberated. There are a number of challenges to the PATRIOT Act and to the way the Bush administration has handled what this new term, "enemy combatants," is.

And of course this is the most extreme case. This is a case of an American citizen who has been locked up for two years without access to a lawyer and without charges. That really pushes the envelope legally. And so there are a number of cases that will be coming down.

It may be the Justice Department's attempt to influence that outcome. It may be something as simple as wanting to dominate the news agenda today. Senator Kerry's giving a speech on weapons of mass destruction and proliferation. This involves weapons of mass destruction and proliferation. So perhaps they're linked in that way.

PHILLIPS: We're treading on sort of loose territory here, I guess. It seems like there are a lot of gaps. So does that mean we could possibly hear from Padilla?

WALSH: I don't think we're going to hear from Padilla. They haven't kept him locked up for two years just for fun. They want to keep this guy on ice.

Now they may be forced by the courts to put him on trial or to allow his lawyer greater access or to honor some of the due process rights that we all enjoy as Americans. So that could change in the near term, but I don't think they're going to let him out talking anytime soon.

PHILLIPS: Jim Walsh, Kennedy School of Government there at Harvard University. Thanks.

We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PHILLIPS: The controversy over gay rights is intensifying after a move by gay rights supporters. Sunday parishioners wearing rainbow- colored sashes walked up to receive communion at a Catholic church in Chicago. Well, priests refused them. In St. Paul, Minnesota, gay parishioners were blocked at the altar by other Catholics. Should the church be able to refuse gays communion?

Joining us from Minneapolis, Brian McNeil of the Rainbow Sash Alliance, and Dr. David Pence, spokesman for Catholic layman's group Ushers of the Eucharist.

Gentlemen, thanks both for being with me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're welcome.

PHILLIPS: Brian, let's start with you. And you know, so many people have been calling this a protest. Was this a protest? And also tell us what the Rainbow Sash means to you.

BRIAN MCNEIL, RAINBOW SASH ALLIANCE: It was not a protest. It was gay Catholics attending Eucharist on the feast of Pentecost, celebrating with our fellow Catholics the descent of the Holy Spirit, the birth of the church, and also celebrating our sexuality as lesbians, gay, bisexual and transgender people. So it was not a protest. It was being present, visibly present, as gay people in a Catholic Church, and we do this on Pentecost every year. We've done this in St. Paul since 2001.

PHILLIPS: So, Doctor Pence, why not allow the gays to have communion? Is it because the Catholic Church thought they were boasting about being gay?

DR. DAVID PENCE, USHERS OF THE EUCHARIST: Well, I think first you have to understand that the Eucharist, where we were on Sunday, is the most sacred event in Catholic life. It's the way that we bury our dead. It's what we do at the time of marriage. It's the way that we celebrate the lord's day every week. It is a sacred mystery. And to come to the Eucharist, there's a lot of restrictions, which we can't all get into here today, but there's a lot of restrictions. It's not a happy meal. The Catholic Eucharist is a different event than a lot of other kinds of communion.

And what we had on Sunday were people taking something the church teaches is a serious disorder. Homosexuality is a grievous disorder of an appetite, and if there's activity, it is a mortal sin. And they are celebrating that and asking it be incorporated into the holiest, most sacred time... PHILLIPS: All right, Dr. Pence, wait, let me stop you right there, because nowhere in the Bible, does it talk about homosexuality as a disorder, or a disease or as a form of sexuality imposed by God. That's not pointed out anywhere in the Bible. It's the Bible -- and we can go through the quotes. We can bring up first Corinthians talking about the homosexual act, but not the homosexual. It's talks about sexual offenders. So what do you mean by disorder?

PENCE: OK, well first, I can see that you're not a Catholic, ma'am, because the idea of a disorder in the Catholic Church, it has to do with a teaching. It is not a quote from the Bible, OK, but there is a teaching on the nature of sexuality, in which we believe that sexuality belongs inside a covenant called marriage. And any sexuality that is not ordered toward that is disordered. And two males having erotic impulses for each other, that in and of itself is a fundamental disorder. And you can read documents from the congregation of the defense of the faith, and you'll find that.

PHILLIPS: But, Brian, I'm going to step in, because whether I'm Catholic or not, that doesn't matter in this discussion. I'm just pointing out the facts of the Bible.

Brian, what's your response?

PENCE: My point is that, ma'am, Catholic thinking is not just -- you don't just take a quote from the Bible. There's a clear-cut teaching on sexuality in the Catholic Church, and I'm just trying to give you the Catholic position.

PHILLIPS: So, Brian, what's the difference between -- I thought the teachings were based on the bible?

MCNEIL: Ideally, they are. They are rooted in scripture. But dr. Pence is correct here that the current Catholic teaching, the official teaching of the magisterium of the church, is that gays are objectively disordered. I could read you the quote from a 1987 document issued by the Vatican says, "Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil, and thus the inclination itself must be scene as an objective disorder." So the church does say we are objectively disordered. However, I know that Dr. Pence is a physician, and the American Medical Association disagrees.

PHILLIPS: But who decides that it's a disorder? You're saying that the Bible has nothing to do with the church in this...

PENCE: No, the Bible has a lot to do with it about. The bible's teaching on sexuality, from Genesis through Christ teaching on marriage, is that sexuality is for a monogamous, heterosexual relationship. It's a positive teaching. To deal with the question of, would they ever call gays, like, married or a good relationship, in the Bible it didn't even come up; it was too ludicrous to even think about. That's why it's not specifically in the Bible.

I want to say one other thing about the day that we did. It was...

PHILLIPS: I was -- due to breaking news, unfortunately, we lost our satellite there in a debate that, obviously, is extremely heated, and by no means do we want to take sides on either side of the issue.

Brian, we unfortunately lost Dr. David Pence, spokesperson for the Catholic layman's group, Ushers of the Eucharist.

And I'm told now we just lost the satellite with Brian McNeil of the Rainbow Sash Alliance. We will try to recapture that debate. I don't think we did just to either side there. We apologize for that. We'll try to get back to it -- Betty.

NGUYEN: This we do have: a big blow to President Bush's plan to ban a form of late-term abortion. A federal judge in San Francisco has declared Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 unconstitutional. The judge says the measure infringes on a woman's right to choose. The ruling comes in a lawsuit filed by planned parenthood. Federal judges in two other states have also heard challenges to that ban. They have yet to rule.

Meanwhile, Democratic candidate John Kerry sounds an alarm about terrorists getting hands on nuclear weapons and he says, if he's president, he'll do more to prevent the possible threat. At this hour, he is outlining his policy on the issue before a group of first- responders in Florida. He says the potential for nuclear terrorism is the gravest threat facing the U.S.. And we want to take a listen at what he said a little bit earlier.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. JOHN KERRY (D-MA), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: As president, my No. 1 security goal, to protect the United States of America and to win the war on terror most effectively will be to prevent terrorists from gaining weapons of mass murder and ensure that hostile states disarm. That is our priority.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NGUYEN: Again, John Kerry speaking about terrorism in West Palm Beach, Florida. We'll have more hear on LIVE FROM. Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

NGUYEN: It was an eventful holiday weekend for a Texas teenager but one he never wants to relive. Sixteen-year-old Ryan Extram (ph) was wading in the ocean along Galveston Island on Saturday when a four-foot long shark bit him. A beach patrolman says it's only the fourth confirmed shark attack he knows of in the area in some 20 years.

PHILLIPS: You'll love this story. Gorillas at the zoo in Dallas, Texas are getting a steady diet of television. Reporter James Rose of affiliate KDFW shows us why.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) JAMES ROSE, KDFW CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In march, a 13- year-old gorilla named Jabari escaped from the Dallas Zoo injuring three people before police had to shoot and kill him. Ever since the five other lowland gorilla had been kept in an 8,000-square foot holding area outside the view of the public.

KEITH ZDROJEWSKI, GORILLA ZOOKEEPER: They're so intelligent that to leave them be and not give them anything to stimulate their thinking, they would get bored very fast.

ROSE: Gorilla zookeeper Keith Zdrojewski uses food, puzzles and lately even a TV to keep them from getting bored.

This is Patrick, the lone teenager. Look how intense he's watching TV. He especially loves gorilla documentaries.

ZDROJEWSKI: He seems to enjoy -- he'll spent a bunch of time watching those than cartoons.

ROSE: Yes, cartoons. Maybe it's because they can relate.

"LISA SIMPSON": You, sir, are a baboon!

"HOMER SIMPSON": Me?

"LISA SIMPSON": Yes, you!

"BART SIMPSON": Bart likey what Bart heary.

"LISA SIMPSON": Baboon, baboon, baboon!

ROSE: Actually, Zdrojewski says, Patrick prefers children's cartoons because of all of the vibrant colors. But that doesn't appeal to all ages of gorillas.

ZDROJEWSKI: There are silverback that will glance at the TV but the youngest one, Patrick, who's 14, he the one that tends to watch the most.

ROSE (on camera): As you can see, the TV is outside the reach of the gorilla behind this iron mesh. That's because lowland gorillas are notoriously harsh critics.

Oh, and none of them get the remote.

ZDROJEWSKI: The older ones have been around for a while, they've seen a lot of different things. So it's hard to get them interested in new, innovative ideas.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PHILLIPS: Here's an idea you can tune to the TV, to CNN, of course, to just keep those brain cells active.

(MARKET UPDATE) NGUYEN: Here's a question. Do you believe in ghosts? Kyra says, maybe. In our next hour of LIVE FROM..., we'll introduce you to modern day ghost hunters trying to break through to the spiritual realm.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

TO ORDER A VIDEO OF THIS TRANSCRIPT, PLEASE CALL 800-CNN-NEWS OR USE OUR SECURE ONLINE ORDER FORM LOCATED AT www.fdch.com