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Modesto Police Officers Describing Scott Peterson's Behavior, What Made Them Suspicious

Aired June 14, 2004 - 14:30   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: Officers of the law take the stand again in the Scott Peterson trial. In testimony last week authorities described the initial stages of the probe into Laci Peterson's disappearance, but the defense claims the probe was botched. CNN's Rusty Dornin is live outside the courthouse in Redwood City, California with the latest. Hi, Rusty.
RUSTY DORNIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Betty, the very first Modesto Police officers on the scene are describing really Scott Peterson's behavior and what it was that made them so suspicious.

Up on the stand right now is officer Matthew Spurlock. He says that he had a conversation in Scott Peterson's house. He asked him what he did that day, Peterson told him he went fishing. But when he asked him what kind of bait he used or what he was fishing for, Peterson's face became very blank. He didn't answer. He mumbled something and said something about a silver lure.

Now, after that conversation there was another officer that testified that when the officers walked away from Peterson, they saw Peterson throw his cell phone down on the floor and swear out loud. Also, that officer did talk about the items that made him suspicious in the house, talked about a wet mop and bucket outside the front door, a crumpled floor rug, some wet towels that were on top of the laundry and a duffel bag. Now those were items taken by the Modesto Police as evidence.

The defense did score points by asking the officers was there any foul play apparent in the house? And the officer said there was nothing apparent, that there was no foul play that seemed to have taken place there. The defence, of course, is trying to prove that the Modesto Police zeroed in on Scott Peterson much too quickly and performed a shoddy investigation.

Rusty Dornin, CNN, Redwood City, California.

MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back to the CNN Center in Atlanta. This is LIVE FROM... And I'm Miles O'Brien.

NGUYEN: I'm Betty Nguyen in for Kyra Phillips. Here's what's new this half hour.

Bridging the gap between humans and huskies. Trainers offer proof that your pooch might have a bigger vocabulary than your child. O'BRIEN: And when you you're paying more than four bucks for a cup of coffee, time to call U-Haul, get out of town. We'll take you to some of the world's most expensive cities.

Price is no object for the Olsen sisters. Don't call them twins now. A big birthday makes them instant billionaires.

But first, the top stories we're following for you.

NGUYEN: Sanctions are possible. A State Department report says ten countries could face sanctions because their governments aren't doing enough to stop trafficking in humans. The Associated Press received parts of the report which will be made public later. Most of the nations are in Africa and Asia, but closer to home the reports cites Ecuador, Venezuela and Cuba.

Four British soldiers face court-martial for alledgedly abusing Iraqi prisoners. The four face assault and other charges. The Briotish government is investigating a total of 75 cases of alleged abuse. No date's been set yet for the soldiers' public trial.

Here in the U.S., newly released tapes and accounting records point another finger at Enron. Officials say they indicate the energy giant manipulated the Western power market 88 percent of the time over an 18-month period, beginning in 2000. Officials say the data shows Enron tried to deceive power authorities during that time.

O'BRIEN: More now on the unveiling of the Clinton portraits today at the White House. The official portraits of President Clinton and the first lady were revealed in the East Room today. There's Mrs. Clinton there. President Bush was on hand for the ceremony. And there's the president's. He had some kind words for his predecessor, but the event quickly turned into an impromptu roast of one Bill Clinton.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: People in Bill Clinton's life have always expected him to succeed. And more than that, they wanted him to succeed.

And meeting those expectations took more than charm and intellect. It took hard work and drive and determination and optimism. I mean, after all, you've got to be optimistic to give six months of your life running the McGovern campaign in Texas.

(LAUGHTER)

(APPLAUSE)

He won his first statewide office at age 30, sworn in as governor at 32. He's five-time governor of Arkansas; the first man from that state to become the president. He's also the first man in his party since Franklin Roosevelt to win a second term in the White House.

I mean, I can tell you more of the story, but it's coming out in fine bookstores all over America.

(LAUGHTER)

BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: You know, most of the time, until you get your picture hung like this, the only artist to draw you are cartoonists.

(LAUGHTER)

When I started out, they drew me in a baby carriage in Arkansas. Then I graduated to a tricycle, then a bicycle. And when I finally got elected president, the guy that had started me out in the baby carriage actually put Hillary and me in a pick-up truck with a hunting dog to come to Washington.

(LAUGHTER)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O'BRIEN: It was remarkable scene, bitter political rivals sharing jokes and good cheer with one another. Case in point once again of the strength of our republic. And it struck us as we watched what a contrast it is to the bitter, angry political times in which we live.

CNN senior political analyst Bill Schneider here to find out why we can't just all get along. How are you, Bill?

WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: I'm all right.

(CROSSTALK)

O'BRIEN: First of all, there was another little excerpt from Bill Clinton there. I want to play it for you where if you read the tea leaves, you don't have to read too hard, he is appealing for kinder, gentler times, perhaps. Let's listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: I hope that I'll live long enough to see American politics return to vigorous debates where we argue who's right and wrong, not who's good and bad.

My experience is most of the people I've known in this work are good people who love their country desperately. And I am profoundly grateful that for a brief period I had a chance to be one of them.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O'BRIEN: Now, to hear that statement on the Monday after we said a final good-bye to Ronald Reagan makes one think about how the times have soured in Washington.

SCHNEIDER: That's right. Ronald Reagan, though he was pretty devisive when he was president, over the years Americans have come to have a very fond memory, recollection of Ronald Reagan. And even at the time he was president, I think it would be hard to argue that his critics hated him.

A lot of liberals hated Richard Nixon and a lot of Democrats hate George W. Bush. But it's hard to say that even when he was president in the '80s that Ronald Reagan was a hated figure.

The problem is the two men we just saw in the White House today, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, are and have been two of the most divisive presidents in American history. A lot of people love them, a lot of people hated them. And they presided over time where's the country seem to be torn apart.

That's part of their legacy that Clinton was decrying today when he said he hopes to live in a time where people who are considered right and wrong rather than good and bad.

O'BRIEN: The ironry are both men rode into office saying they're going to bring people together.

SCHNEIDER: That's right. When he was running for the election the first time, so far the only, time in 2000, President Bush said, "I'm going to be a uniter, not a divider." That's because President Clinton was seen as divided the country.

And Bush said he was a compassionate conservative, he could bring the country together. That more than anything else is something President Bush has failed to deliver. Americans are longing for someone who can bring the country together. And John Kerry hopes he can be that kind of guy.

And frankly, Miles, that is why there's so much fantasizing about the possibility of a Kerry/McCain ticket, which doesn't look like it's going to happen, but it's still a dream ticket to many Democrats because you put a Democrat and a Republican together on the same ticket, what could be a better symbol of trying to unite the country?

O'BRIEN: Election over, perhaps.

All right, let's talk about Arnold Schwarzenegger here for a moment. Is he a possible model of unity? It doesn't seem likely on the face of it, but maybe so.

SCHNEIDER: Well, with it does look like it. I'll tell you, I think both Bush and Kerry, the two contenders for president, have to find their inner Arnold because in California Arnold Schwarzenegger is remarkably successful in that state, a heavy Democratic state. He's a Republican governor.

The polls show that not only is he liked by his own party, the Republicans, he also is given a lot of support, a majority of Democrats support Governor Schwarzenegger.

Very much unlike President Bush. President Bush gets very high ratings from Republicans but dismal ratings from Democrats.

Schwarzenegger is popular across the board. He has the secret of bridging the partisan divide which President Bush and, in his day, Bill Clinton did not have.

O'BRIEN: Of course, the parallels are obvious, California, former actor, all of that. Should Kerry and Bush try acting school on for size?

SCHNEIDER: Well Yes, just Ronald Reagan, the former actor becomes governor, and he has a manner and demeanor which seemed to appeal to people across the board. Schwarzenegger has done it.

But, of course, one little problem. The constitution says he can't run for president, he can't even be put on the ticket for vice president.

O'BRIEN: Of course, a cynic might say this all leads us to conclude that it's nothing more than a popularity contest.

SCHNEIDER: Well, yes, of course. It is a popularity contest.

The problem is people want someone that they can feel good about. They want someone who can bring the country together. There is a crying need for that right now. The country looks as if it's deeply divided, Republicans, Democrats are at odds over absolutely everything. But Schwarzenegger proves it is possible to bridge that divide.

But remember how he did it. In a way, it was similar to the way Reagan did it. He was an outsider. He came from outside the political system. He didn't have a conservative base. His wife is a Democrat -- and a Kennedy, no less.

That's why it will be a struggle for either Bush or Kerry to show he can unite the country.

O'BRIEN: Bill Schneider, thanks for spending a few moments with us. We appreciate it -- Betty.

SCHNEIDER: Pleasure.

NGUYEN: All right, this late in LIVE FROM... you might be thinking doesn't Miles have some kind of space news for me today? Well, the answer is yes. He is firing up the telestrator for a trip for one of the many moons of Saturn.

And your dog could be as smart as Rico, the border collie who knows about 200 words and is larning more.

Plus, air-conditioned comfort you can actually wear. LIVE FROM... catches a breeze after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

O'BRIEN: All right. We're getting tired of that "Mars Minute." No, no we're not tired of Mars. It's ust that we're moving onward, farther out into the solar system to the coolest planet. What's the coolest planet, Betty?

NGUYEN: Saturn.

O'BRIEN: Of course. Saturn is the coolest because of the rings and all that stuff.

NGUYEN: And it's beautiful.

O'BRIEN: I'm basically filibustering until we figure out how to make this computer work.

NGUYEN: We've got techinical problems. Can't you tell?

O'BRIEN: And I get a little more than a minute of time that way.

But let's, with that said, do a "Saturn Minute." Rolling out the first "Saturn Minute," start the clock please.

Let me sew you Cassini, first of all. If you would roll the animation, We'll show you Cassini. Cassini's on its way, having traveled some 1.2 billion miles. It's now about 750 million miles from Earth, 15 million -- 9.8 million miles from Saturn. All right, you know, it's closing in on Saturn, OK? There it is right there.

You know, converting kilometers and miles just kills me when it's on the fly.

Now, let me show you the pictures as it gets ready for its into the rings of Saturn. First of all, look at that cool close-up of Saturn there. You're really -- this gives you a little preview of the kinds of details we're going to pick up on the planet.

Also the rings. Cassini will fly in and out of those rings twice as it enters into the orbit. Hopefully, it won't hit anything along the way.

Now, this is Phoebe. Do you know how many moons saturn has, Betty?

NGUYEN: You know, that I do not know.

O'BRIEN: Thirty-one moons. This is one of 31 moons. They have a moon for every day of the month. Phoebe is about 1/15 the size of our moon. And it is pockmarked and brimming with ice.

Now ice is very interesting to people who are looking for possibilty life outside our planet because ice of course is frozen water and liquid water means possibility of life.

In any case, Phoebe is revealing some of her secrets as we speak. The bell has rung. We'll move on. Shall we?

NGUYEN: We shall. Waiting for a little sound here?

O'BRIEN: Let's bring the dog in. Cue the dog.

NGUYEN: Bring the dog in.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who's got Big Mac? Who the big mac? Swoo? Yeah, boy!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NGUYEN: Now, that's one smart dog. That tops our "Look Around the World." Rico, border collie seen here, remembers the names of more than 200 objects. Better than Miles. And all those objects, very cuddley toys, of course.

German researchers say it may prove dogs truly understand human language. Rico is so gifted, he even beat out human performers on a popular German TV show.

And in Japan, cool clothes, literally. A Japanese company has come up with air-conditioned clothing. We can use some of that around here. They have built-in fans keeping to keep you cool. The garments went on sale last week on the Internet and cost just 90 bucks each. That's all.

O'BRIEN: You know, just a word to the wise. If you buy some of that, don't try flying. I can imagine the TSA with that item.

O'BRIEN: Well women in Japan say they don't want to wear it because it makes them look fat.

O'BRIEN: I have a feeling this idea is not going very far outside the computer work station, if you know what I mean. Let's leave it at that.

Dealers can't keep theos super hot hybrids on the lot, we're told. So why the super hot anger from buyers? The latest rage on the road is ahead in our business segment.

NGUYEN: The media moguls formerly known as Olsen twins. Oh! I shouldn't have called them twins. They celebrate their coming of age and the coming of some serious cash-ola.

O'BRIEN: You don't want to upset them because they'll disinherit you, potentially.

Also ahead, he walked beside Nancy Reagan all last week. What did they talk about? How was that ordeal for him as well as her? Major General Galen Jackman's story as LIVE FROM... continues. Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

NGUYEN: Well, if you can afford to live a jet set life like Miles here, the capital city of Japan may be just the place for you. Miles, a new survey ranks the world's most expensive cities.

O'BRIEN: Diamond Miles, they call me.

CNN's Paula Hancocks has more from one of the places on the list. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's a fact that won't surprise many of the locals: London is expensive. Great Britain's capital has catapulted itself to the No. 2 spot in the world for expatriates. It's even pricier than New York, yet another thing being blamed on the weak U.S. dollar.

DAVID WREFORD, MERCER CONSULTANTS: The U.K. and other European cities tend to rise up the scale because of their strength of the pound and the euro against the dollar.

And in other locations, such as Australia and New Zealand, you tended to find they've also strengthened their positions, so they've moved up the cost of living scale.

HANCOCKS: Tokyo retains the dubious honor of most expensive city in the world for expats. U.S. cities have all dropped out of the top ten.

(on camera) The price of a cup of coffee is the perfect indication of just how expensive a city is. In Tokyo, one cup will set you back $4.50. Far cheaper in Buenos Aires, where it's just $1. And here in London, this cup of coffee cost me just over $3.

(voice-over) The survey covers 144 countries, measuring the cost of some 200 items an expat would need: housing, food, transport and, of course, entertainment.

But those touting the tourist business are worried the report could put off potential visitors.

KEN KELLING, LONDON VISITOR: London is a capital city. It's one of the foremost places in the world. It's a world-class city. Inevitably, things will cost more here than they do in other cities.

But that doesn't mean that you can't find good value.

HANCOCKS: If the crowds are anything to go by this sunny London afternoon, these tourists still think the city is a great place to visit.

Unless your company's picking up the tab, it's not necessarily a great place for an expat to live.

Paula Hancocks, CNN, London.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

NGUYEN: That makes New York look like a discount vacation.

O'BRIEN: Apparently so. New York was, what -- Rhonda, do you know where it came in at? It was only like 30th.

RHONDA SCHAFFLER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, way below the...

O'BRIEN: Twelfth? Is that what it was? Twelfth?

SCHAFFLER: Not too surprising.

O'BRIEN: I mean, that must upset New Yorkers. Don't you kind of wish it was a little more expensive? I mean...

SCHAFFLER: We're No. 1 in a lot of other categories.

O'BRIEN: It assaults your pride, doesn't it? Yes, it does. New York needs to be No. 1, don't they?

(STOCK REPORT)

NGUYEN: Coming up on the next half hour of LIVE FROM, a technicality derails a real decision on the Pledge of Allegiance. We'll decipher the legalese next.

O'BRIEN: Named for the gorilla, or the fashion icon? Our former friend has a baby girl. The tale is in entertainment headlines. LIVE FROM sends a gift, something in a light blue box, after this.

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Aired June 14, 2004 - 14:30   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: Officers of the law take the stand again in the Scott Peterson trial. In testimony last week authorities described the initial stages of the probe into Laci Peterson's disappearance, but the defense claims the probe was botched. CNN's Rusty Dornin is live outside the courthouse in Redwood City, California with the latest. Hi, Rusty.
RUSTY DORNIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Betty, the very first Modesto Police officers on the scene are describing really Scott Peterson's behavior and what it was that made them so suspicious.

Up on the stand right now is officer Matthew Spurlock. He says that he had a conversation in Scott Peterson's house. He asked him what he did that day, Peterson told him he went fishing. But when he asked him what kind of bait he used or what he was fishing for, Peterson's face became very blank. He didn't answer. He mumbled something and said something about a silver lure.

Now, after that conversation there was another officer that testified that when the officers walked away from Peterson, they saw Peterson throw his cell phone down on the floor and swear out loud. Also, that officer did talk about the items that made him suspicious in the house, talked about a wet mop and bucket outside the front door, a crumpled floor rug, some wet towels that were on top of the laundry and a duffel bag. Now those were items taken by the Modesto Police as evidence.

The defense did score points by asking the officers was there any foul play apparent in the house? And the officer said there was nothing apparent, that there was no foul play that seemed to have taken place there. The defence, of course, is trying to prove that the Modesto Police zeroed in on Scott Peterson much too quickly and performed a shoddy investigation.

Rusty Dornin, CNN, Redwood City, California.

MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back to the CNN Center in Atlanta. This is LIVE FROM... And I'm Miles O'Brien.

NGUYEN: I'm Betty Nguyen in for Kyra Phillips. Here's what's new this half hour.

Bridging the gap between humans and huskies. Trainers offer proof that your pooch might have a bigger vocabulary than your child. O'BRIEN: And when you you're paying more than four bucks for a cup of coffee, time to call U-Haul, get out of town. We'll take you to some of the world's most expensive cities.

Price is no object for the Olsen sisters. Don't call them twins now. A big birthday makes them instant billionaires.

But first, the top stories we're following for you.

NGUYEN: Sanctions are possible. A State Department report says ten countries could face sanctions because their governments aren't doing enough to stop trafficking in humans. The Associated Press received parts of the report which will be made public later. Most of the nations are in Africa and Asia, but closer to home the reports cites Ecuador, Venezuela and Cuba.

Four British soldiers face court-martial for alledgedly abusing Iraqi prisoners. The four face assault and other charges. The Briotish government is investigating a total of 75 cases of alleged abuse. No date's been set yet for the soldiers' public trial.

Here in the U.S., newly released tapes and accounting records point another finger at Enron. Officials say they indicate the energy giant manipulated the Western power market 88 percent of the time over an 18-month period, beginning in 2000. Officials say the data shows Enron tried to deceive power authorities during that time.

O'BRIEN: More now on the unveiling of the Clinton portraits today at the White House. The official portraits of President Clinton and the first lady were revealed in the East Room today. There's Mrs. Clinton there. President Bush was on hand for the ceremony. And there's the president's. He had some kind words for his predecessor, but the event quickly turned into an impromptu roast of one Bill Clinton.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: People in Bill Clinton's life have always expected him to succeed. And more than that, they wanted him to succeed.

And meeting those expectations took more than charm and intellect. It took hard work and drive and determination and optimism. I mean, after all, you've got to be optimistic to give six months of your life running the McGovern campaign in Texas.

(LAUGHTER)

(APPLAUSE)

He won his first statewide office at age 30, sworn in as governor at 32. He's five-time governor of Arkansas; the first man from that state to become the president. He's also the first man in his party since Franklin Roosevelt to win a second term in the White House.

I mean, I can tell you more of the story, but it's coming out in fine bookstores all over America.

(LAUGHTER)

BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: You know, most of the time, until you get your picture hung like this, the only artist to draw you are cartoonists.

(LAUGHTER)

When I started out, they drew me in a baby carriage in Arkansas. Then I graduated to a tricycle, then a bicycle. And when I finally got elected president, the guy that had started me out in the baby carriage actually put Hillary and me in a pick-up truck with a hunting dog to come to Washington.

(LAUGHTER)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O'BRIEN: It was remarkable scene, bitter political rivals sharing jokes and good cheer with one another. Case in point once again of the strength of our republic. And it struck us as we watched what a contrast it is to the bitter, angry political times in which we live.

CNN senior political analyst Bill Schneider here to find out why we can't just all get along. How are you, Bill?

WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: I'm all right.

(CROSSTALK)

O'BRIEN: First of all, there was another little excerpt from Bill Clinton there. I want to play it for you where if you read the tea leaves, you don't have to read too hard, he is appealing for kinder, gentler times, perhaps. Let's listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: I hope that I'll live long enough to see American politics return to vigorous debates where we argue who's right and wrong, not who's good and bad.

My experience is most of the people I've known in this work are good people who love their country desperately. And I am profoundly grateful that for a brief period I had a chance to be one of them.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O'BRIEN: Now, to hear that statement on the Monday after we said a final good-bye to Ronald Reagan makes one think about how the times have soured in Washington.

SCHNEIDER: That's right. Ronald Reagan, though he was pretty devisive when he was president, over the years Americans have come to have a very fond memory, recollection of Ronald Reagan. And even at the time he was president, I think it would be hard to argue that his critics hated him.

A lot of liberals hated Richard Nixon and a lot of Democrats hate George W. Bush. But it's hard to say that even when he was president in the '80s that Ronald Reagan was a hated figure.

The problem is the two men we just saw in the White House today, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, are and have been two of the most divisive presidents in American history. A lot of people love them, a lot of people hated them. And they presided over time where's the country seem to be torn apart.

That's part of their legacy that Clinton was decrying today when he said he hopes to live in a time where people who are considered right and wrong rather than good and bad.

O'BRIEN: The ironry are both men rode into office saying they're going to bring people together.

SCHNEIDER: That's right. When he was running for the election the first time, so far the only, time in 2000, President Bush said, "I'm going to be a uniter, not a divider." That's because President Clinton was seen as divided the country.

And Bush said he was a compassionate conservative, he could bring the country together. That more than anything else is something President Bush has failed to deliver. Americans are longing for someone who can bring the country together. And John Kerry hopes he can be that kind of guy.

And frankly, Miles, that is why there's so much fantasizing about the possibility of a Kerry/McCain ticket, which doesn't look like it's going to happen, but it's still a dream ticket to many Democrats because you put a Democrat and a Republican together on the same ticket, what could be a better symbol of trying to unite the country?

O'BRIEN: Election over, perhaps.

All right, let's talk about Arnold Schwarzenegger here for a moment. Is he a possible model of unity? It doesn't seem likely on the face of it, but maybe so.

SCHNEIDER: Well, with it does look like it. I'll tell you, I think both Bush and Kerry, the two contenders for president, have to find their inner Arnold because in California Arnold Schwarzenegger is remarkably successful in that state, a heavy Democratic state. He's a Republican governor.

The polls show that not only is he liked by his own party, the Republicans, he also is given a lot of support, a majority of Democrats support Governor Schwarzenegger.

Very much unlike President Bush. President Bush gets very high ratings from Republicans but dismal ratings from Democrats.

Schwarzenegger is popular across the board. He has the secret of bridging the partisan divide which President Bush and, in his day, Bill Clinton did not have.

O'BRIEN: Of course, the parallels are obvious, California, former actor, all of that. Should Kerry and Bush try acting school on for size?

SCHNEIDER: Well Yes, just Ronald Reagan, the former actor becomes governor, and he has a manner and demeanor which seemed to appeal to people across the board. Schwarzenegger has done it.

But, of course, one little problem. The constitution says he can't run for president, he can't even be put on the ticket for vice president.

O'BRIEN: Of course, a cynic might say this all leads us to conclude that it's nothing more than a popularity contest.

SCHNEIDER: Well, yes, of course. It is a popularity contest.

The problem is people want someone that they can feel good about. They want someone who can bring the country together. There is a crying need for that right now. The country looks as if it's deeply divided, Republicans, Democrats are at odds over absolutely everything. But Schwarzenegger proves it is possible to bridge that divide.

But remember how he did it. In a way, it was similar to the way Reagan did it. He was an outsider. He came from outside the political system. He didn't have a conservative base. His wife is a Democrat -- and a Kennedy, no less.

That's why it will be a struggle for either Bush or Kerry to show he can unite the country.

O'BRIEN: Bill Schneider, thanks for spending a few moments with us. We appreciate it -- Betty.

SCHNEIDER: Pleasure.

NGUYEN: All right, this late in LIVE FROM... you might be thinking doesn't Miles have some kind of space news for me today? Well, the answer is yes. He is firing up the telestrator for a trip for one of the many moons of Saturn.

And your dog could be as smart as Rico, the border collie who knows about 200 words and is larning more.

Plus, air-conditioned comfort you can actually wear. LIVE FROM... catches a breeze after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

O'BRIEN: All right. We're getting tired of that "Mars Minute." No, no we're not tired of Mars. It's ust that we're moving onward, farther out into the solar system to the coolest planet. What's the coolest planet, Betty?

NGUYEN: Saturn.

O'BRIEN: Of course. Saturn is the coolest because of the rings and all that stuff.

NGUYEN: And it's beautiful.

O'BRIEN: I'm basically filibustering until we figure out how to make this computer work.

NGUYEN: We've got techinical problems. Can't you tell?

O'BRIEN: And I get a little more than a minute of time that way.

But let's, with that said, do a "Saturn Minute." Rolling out the first "Saturn Minute," start the clock please.

Let me sew you Cassini, first of all. If you would roll the animation, We'll show you Cassini. Cassini's on its way, having traveled some 1.2 billion miles. It's now about 750 million miles from Earth, 15 million -- 9.8 million miles from Saturn. All right, you know, it's closing in on Saturn, OK? There it is right there.

You know, converting kilometers and miles just kills me when it's on the fly.

Now, let me show you the pictures as it gets ready for its into the rings of Saturn. First of all, look at that cool close-up of Saturn there. You're really -- this gives you a little preview of the kinds of details we're going to pick up on the planet.

Also the rings. Cassini will fly in and out of those rings twice as it enters into the orbit. Hopefully, it won't hit anything along the way.

Now, this is Phoebe. Do you know how many moons saturn has, Betty?

NGUYEN: You know, that I do not know.

O'BRIEN: Thirty-one moons. This is one of 31 moons. They have a moon for every day of the month. Phoebe is about 1/15 the size of our moon. And it is pockmarked and brimming with ice.

Now ice is very interesting to people who are looking for possibilty life outside our planet because ice of course is frozen water and liquid water means possibility of life.

In any case, Phoebe is revealing some of her secrets as we speak. The bell has rung. We'll move on. Shall we?

NGUYEN: We shall. Waiting for a little sound here?

O'BRIEN: Let's bring the dog in. Cue the dog.

NGUYEN: Bring the dog in.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who's got Big Mac? Who the big mac? Swoo? Yeah, boy!

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NGUYEN: Now, that's one smart dog. That tops our "Look Around the World." Rico, border collie seen here, remembers the names of more than 200 objects. Better than Miles. And all those objects, very cuddley toys, of course.

German researchers say it may prove dogs truly understand human language. Rico is so gifted, he even beat out human performers on a popular German TV show.

And in Japan, cool clothes, literally. A Japanese company has come up with air-conditioned clothing. We can use some of that around here. They have built-in fans keeping to keep you cool. The garments went on sale last week on the Internet and cost just 90 bucks each. That's all.

O'BRIEN: You know, just a word to the wise. If you buy some of that, don't try flying. I can imagine the TSA with that item.

O'BRIEN: Well women in Japan say they don't want to wear it because it makes them look fat.

O'BRIEN: I have a feeling this idea is not going very far outside the computer work station, if you know what I mean. Let's leave it at that.

Dealers can't keep theos super hot hybrids on the lot, we're told. So why the super hot anger from buyers? The latest rage on the road is ahead in our business segment.

NGUYEN: The media moguls formerly known as Olsen twins. Oh! I shouldn't have called them twins. They celebrate their coming of age and the coming of some serious cash-ola.

O'BRIEN: You don't want to upset them because they'll disinherit you, potentially.

Also ahead, he walked beside Nancy Reagan all last week. What did they talk about? How was that ordeal for him as well as her? Major General Galen Jackman's story as LIVE FROM... continues. Stay with us.

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NGUYEN: Well, if you can afford to live a jet set life like Miles here, the capital city of Japan may be just the place for you. Miles, a new survey ranks the world's most expensive cities.

O'BRIEN: Diamond Miles, they call me.

CNN's Paula Hancocks has more from one of the places on the list. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's a fact that won't surprise many of the locals: London is expensive. Great Britain's capital has catapulted itself to the No. 2 spot in the world for expatriates. It's even pricier than New York, yet another thing being blamed on the weak U.S. dollar.

DAVID WREFORD, MERCER CONSULTANTS: The U.K. and other European cities tend to rise up the scale because of their strength of the pound and the euro against the dollar.

And in other locations, such as Australia and New Zealand, you tended to find they've also strengthened their positions, so they've moved up the cost of living scale.

HANCOCKS: Tokyo retains the dubious honor of most expensive city in the world for expats. U.S. cities have all dropped out of the top ten.

(on camera) The price of a cup of coffee is the perfect indication of just how expensive a city is. In Tokyo, one cup will set you back $4.50. Far cheaper in Buenos Aires, where it's just $1. And here in London, this cup of coffee cost me just over $3.

(voice-over) The survey covers 144 countries, measuring the cost of some 200 items an expat would need: housing, food, transport and, of course, entertainment.

But those touting the tourist business are worried the report could put off potential visitors.

KEN KELLING, LONDON VISITOR: London is a capital city. It's one of the foremost places in the world. It's a world-class city. Inevitably, things will cost more here than they do in other cities.

But that doesn't mean that you can't find good value.

HANCOCKS: If the crowds are anything to go by this sunny London afternoon, these tourists still think the city is a great place to visit.

Unless your company's picking up the tab, it's not necessarily a great place for an expat to live.

Paula Hancocks, CNN, London.

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NGUYEN: That makes New York look like a discount vacation.

O'BRIEN: Apparently so. New York was, what -- Rhonda, do you know where it came in at? It was only like 30th.

RHONDA SCHAFFLER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, way below the...

O'BRIEN: Twelfth? Is that what it was? Twelfth?

SCHAFFLER: Not too surprising.

O'BRIEN: I mean, that must upset New Yorkers. Don't you kind of wish it was a little more expensive? I mean...

SCHAFFLER: We're No. 1 in a lot of other categories.

O'BRIEN: It assaults your pride, doesn't it? Yes, it does. New York needs to be No. 1, don't they?

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NGUYEN: Coming up on the next half hour of LIVE FROM, a technicality derails a real decision on the Pledge of Allegiance. We'll decipher the legalese next.

O'BRIEN: Named for the gorilla, or the fashion icon? Our former friend has a baby girl. The tale is in entertainment headlines. LIVE FROM sends a gift, something in a light blue box, after this.

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