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MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Ah, vacation. Does your vacation look a little too much like this? Why employers are expecting you to stay wired on the road. From the CNN center in Atlanta, I'm Miles O'Brien.
KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Kyra Phillips. This hour of CNN's LIVE FROM starts right now.

O'BRIEN: The Democratic National Convention just three weeks away, so who will stand beside presidential candidate John Kerry as his running mate? The Kerry campaign says the senator has not made up his mind. But a Democratic official who has talked with Kerry tells CNN the candidate has made a decision and will announce it shortly. The men considered top contenders for the slot include Senator John Edwards of North Carolina, Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack and Missouri Congressman Dick Gephardt.

CNN's Joe Johns joining us with more from the campaign trail.

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JOE JOHNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): John Kerry was wrapping up his three-day three-state bus tour in the heartland while keeping the guessing game going over his choice of a running mate, shaking hands at an Independence Day parade. In his shadows, Iowa's Governor Tom Vilsack who is on the short list for number two on the Democratic ticket, along with Richard Gephardt and John Edwards. But Kerry was sidestepping the obvious question.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Is Vilsack your guy?

JOHN KERRY (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It's a great day.

JOHNS: Vilsack, who has compared choosing a running mate to choosing a spouse, was in the spotlight Sunday, but also sidestepping the big question. He attended church with Kerry in the morning and joined him later in a visit to the film set for the baseball movie "Field of Dreams." In one memorable moment, Vilsack dropped the ball. In another, as promised, Kerry disappeared into the corn mimicking a scene from the film. Then he reappeared to play a little baseball with kids. Before leaving, Kerry hit a pop fly and an inside the ballpark home run. Later, speaking at a barbecue in Independence, Iowa, there was no mention of running mates from either man, though Vilsack, audition- like, got in an anti-Bush applause line.

TOM VILSACK (D), GOVERNOR OF IOWA: 228 years ago, Americans were a little upset with a leader named George. They put together a series of concerns. And here we are, 228 years later, and we're still concerned about a leader named George, aren't we?

JOHNS: Kerry was putting the finishing touches on the swing through Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Iowa, and trying to connect with rural and small town voters. With a liberal Senate voting record, he's taking heat for claiming he stands for conservative values here. But Sunday night offered a rebuttal of sorts.

KERRY: It really doesn't matter whether it's a Democrat idea or Republican idea. It matters whether it works for America and it's going to make this country stronger and our citizens better off.

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O'BRIEN: That was from Joe Johns.

Delaware Senator Joe Biden says he's not among those who may be tapped as Kerry's running mate. He told CNN, and we quote him now, "I'm the most unlikely vice-presidential pick you are going to find." That was the end of the quote. Biden says as far as he knows, no one has done any vetting or checking if he could be a vice-presidential candidate.

Are the veepstakes about to end? More ticket talk with Judy Woodruff on "INSIDE POLITICS." As always, 3:30 eastern, right here on CNN.

President Bush spent the Fourth of July on the campaign trail as well. He visited West Virginia, a battleground state in the November elections. Thousands came out to hear him speak at the capital in Charleston. The president praised the sacrifices of U.S. troops in war zones. He also told the crowd America is the world's foremost champion of liberty.

PHILLIPS: Turning now to Iraq, a possible amnesty deal for insurgents is still being negotiated and has been put on hold. A spokesman for interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi says that there are too many questions about who should be offered pardons and what insurgents should have to do to get one.

On Sunday spokesman George Sada told CNN the proposed amnesty would not cover hard-core criminals and murder suspects.

Fire continues to burn along the oil pipeline in southern Iraq following a weekend attack by insurgents. Iraq's oil ministry says the explosion took out part of a strategic line that feeds refineries in central and northern Iraq. It's the latest in more than 130 successful attacks on Iraq's oil lines since they began during the war. CNN's senior correspondent Brent Sadler reports that part of the problem appears to be gaping holes in the security.

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BRENT SADLER, CNN SENIOR CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Giant ships fill their tank with Iraqi crude oil, exporting up to $3 million worth of oil an hour, if all works well. But all is not well. Crude oozes from a gaping hole after recent attacks on strategic pipelines near Basra in southern Iraq, sapping oil revenues.

IYAD ALLAWI, INTERIM PRIME MINISTER OF IRAQ: Anyone involved in these attacks is nothing more than a traitor to the cause of Iraq's freedom and the freedom of its people.

SADLER: Oil protection is supposed to be a top priority on land and at sea since last year's invasion of Iraq. But Iraqi officials claim it's been hit and miss, exposing a worrying shortfall in coalition planning.

JABBAR AL-LEABY, DIRECTOR GENERAL, SOUTH OIL COMPANY: So, they need to security everywhere, and security in men, security in equipment, security in every aspect.

SADLER (on camera): The vast and often remote network of pipelines is vulnerable to attacks. No oil means no money to pay for the cost of war, reconstruction, and recovery.

As recently as two months ago, would-be suicide bombers tried, but failed, to hit these vital offshore terminals, now guarded by a fleet of coalition warships. U.S. soldiers help enforce a new exclusion zone patrolled by the American and British navies. Nothing is foolproof, though.

ADM. ALLAN WEST, BRITISH FIRST SEA LORD: Everything is always vulnerable if you get the right thing at the right time and you are lucky. But now they are much harder to crack.

SADLER: But on land, where saboteurs are getting through, a 15,000 strong Iraqi protection force, privately trained with coalition money, is paper-thin. With more than 7,000 miles of pipeline, and 260 facilities to guard.

KEVIN THOMAS, OIL ADVISER, CPA SOUTH: Our patrols can only walk through, we can monitor the patrol patterns, and attack when the patrol has moved on.

SADLER: The oil network has so far been hit more than 130 times in the past seven months alone, including a 6-day shutdown of all crude exports in June. Losing money Iraq and its coalition allies can ill afford.

Brent Sadler, CNN, Basra, southern Iraq.

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O'BRIEN: It was deja vu recently for some U.S. troops making their second trip to Iraq. CNN's David Mattingly went to Atlanta's Hartsfield Jackson International Airport for the sendoff.

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DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): They've been home for the shortest two weeks of their lives, but leave is over for these soldiers. It's time for the long flight back, back to an Iraq that is now run by Iraqis.

TANYA SIMMONS, WIFE OF SOLDIER: Hopefully now it will take the emphasis off of the American soldiers and put it back on the Iraqis.

MATTINGLY: Many of these soldiers watch the hand-over with their families on television, a reminder of the job waiting for them as they tried to lose themselves in the comforts of home.

MATTINGLY (on camera): What do you expect to see when you get back?

MATTINGLY: They now return talking of mixed emotions, hopeful that the worst is over, mindful of possible dangers ahead.

SPEC. STEPHEN GRENDA, U.S. ARMY: Hopefully they'll step up and start taking responsibility for their own country, their own people in their country.

SPEC. CHAD WEBSTER, U.S. ARMY: We'll wait to see. We don't know what to expect going back. We don't know what the change is going to be.

MATTINGLY: When these soldiers get back to Iraq they'll be returning more experienced than last time. They're smarter, more seasoned. But with that experience, they say, has come an important lesson, to always be prepared for anything.

MATTINGLY (voice-over): Daily episodes of violence since the hand-over drive the point home that the bloodshed they left behind will be waiting. A certainty that makes a new round of farewells tough for any soldier.

Is it harder saying good-bye the second time than it was the first time? In what way?

Sergeant Bonnie Collins holds her two young daughters close, trying to make the most of their last hours together before mom goes back to Baghdad.

SGT. BONNIE COLLINS, U.S. ARMY: Getting through this, getting on the plane will be hard. But once it's done it's done.

MATTINGLY: A 14-hour flight that begins with heartache. Destination, the now familiar but dangerous nation of Iraq.

David Mattingly, CNN, Atlanta.

(END VIDEOTAPE) PHILLIPS: Other news across America now, in Philadelphia Afghan President Hamid Karzai accepted the Philadelphia Liberty medal during Fourth of July ceremonies at Independence Hall. The medal is presented by the Philadelphia Foundation and recognizes leadership in the pursuit of freedom. Mr. Karzai says the $100,000 prize money will be used to support Afghan orphans.

Firefighters near Safford, Arizona, are working to protect the Mount Graham International Observatory. Two major wild fires are threatening to converge on the mountains. The observatory has been evacuated, along with nearby cabins. A fire management spokeswoman says that the firefighters hope to have the fires contained later this month.

Sources close to the investigation tell CNN former Enron chairman Ken Lay is expected to be indicted sometime this week. Lay told "The New York Times" his relationship with President Bush could make it harder for the grand jury to decide not to indict him. He faces charges stemming from a corporate scandal that caused the company to collapse in 2001. Affiliate station KHOU caught up with Lay as left church on Sunday.

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KEN LAY, FORMER CHAIRMAN, ENRON: Obviously, I wish what happened hadn't happened. But we can't redo history now. And the main thing that I always prayed for from day one is that all the truth comes out. And then let's get on with it.

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PHILLIPS: Lay maintains that he is innocent of any wrongdoing.

O'BRIEN: Shoot to kill, Germany changes its laws for securing the skies from terrorism. We'll have details for you ahead on LIVE FROM.

And when it happened it was called the murder of the century. Find out why it's still fascinating sleuths 50 years later.

And a washed up wedding, a fiance finds financing one shiny fender at a time, a unique way to pay for the special day.

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PHILLIPS: Live to Athens, Greece right now as you're seeing the homecoming of the Euro 2004 champs, that would be the Greek soccer team. Thousands and thousands of fans waiting for their national soccer team to arrive. Pretty stunning win at the European championship. Now the victory is bringing them back here to the original Olympic stadium, believe it or not, that hosted the first modern games back in 1896. Now we're told up to 50,000 fans waiting for the team to arrive. You can see the other live pictures there in the split screen. The team arriving in this coach. Fans have been following the bus along the freeways, all the way to the final arrival here at the Olympic stadium. So we'll check in once the team gets off the bus and greets the fans. We'll check in live once again.

O'BRIEN: Love that split screen.

News around the world to tell you about now. Millions of votes are being counted from Indonesia's first direct presidential election. Early returns show the retired army general leading over the incumbent. Some ballots are being recounted after voters apparently punched the paper when it was folded in two. Does that sound familiar?

Israel's normally secretive Atomic Energy Commission now has a website. It doesn't provide many details about the country's nuclear program. Israel says there's no connection between the site and an upcoming visit by Mohammad el-Baradei, who is head of the UN's nuclear watchdog agency.

At The Hague, the war crimes trial of former Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic is in limbo due to concerns about Milosevic's health. The defense was to begin its case today. Now it's not clear when or even if the trial will resume.

PHILLIPS: Germany's air force can now legally shoot down hijacked planes to thwart a 9/11-style attack. Some fighter pilots have qualms about this. Some politicians say the new law doesn't go far enough. CNN's Chris Burns reports.

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CHRIS BURNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Over the skies of Frankfurt, a mentally disturbed German pilot threatens to crash into a skyscraper. German fighter planes scramble to intercept him but he lands safely. Last year's incident led parliament to pass a law empowering the German air force on defense minister's orders to shoot down civilian planes involved in a September 11 style suicide attack.

BRIG. GEN. PETER SCHELZIG, GERMAN AIR FORCE: It might not be a pleasant option, but it is an option. And, of course, the choice would be to let an airplane, one that has been hijacked, go wherever it wants to and let it do whatever it wants to.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Perhaps kill more people than otherwise.

SCHELZIG: Exactly.

BURNS: German fighter pilots agree, but still are uneasy.

THOMAS WASSMAN, ASSOCIATION OF GERMAN FIGHTER JET CREWS: I wouldn't call it license to kill, but for my opinion, I mean, you have to, as a state, you have to have something in your hand to be able to deal with it.

BURNS: What the fighter pilots' association and Germany's conservative opposition want is something stronger. A constitutional amendment not only to better spell out the legal grounds for shooting down a hijacked plane, but to expand the duties of Germany's armed forces, barred from domestic operations after Hitler used them to crush political opposition.

One conservative lawmaker cites the case of a chemical decontamination vehicle.

CHRISTIAN SCHMIDT, CHRISTIAN DEMOCRATIC UNION: It can be used in Kuwait but not in Germany itself so that nobody does understand.

BURNS: That's because of the post war laws.

SCHMIDT: Yes.

BURNS: That were built to prevent Nazis from coming back to power.

SCHMIDT: Yes.

BURNS: Some ordinary Germans say they back a law authorize the downing of suicide planes.

In an emergency you probably have to do it, he says, if someone is threatening to crash into a nuclear power plant.

Thinking the unthinkable. Not easy in a country still haunted by the horrors of a wartime regime with absolute power.

Chris Burns, CNN, Berlin.

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PHILLIPS: This just coming in to CNN. There's been a lot of questions about the fate of Corporal Wassef Ali Hassoun, you know that U.S. Marine that went missing a number of weeks ago. We're now being told an Iraqi militant group by the name of Islamic Response that says it is holding Wassef Ali Hassoun is denying these reports that he is dead. The Iraqi militant group came forward, said they have not killed this U.S. Marine that it is holding captive despite the earlier reports that he was dead. Al-Jazeera television reporting this. We have translated it here at CNN and now bringing it to you. Once again, we are being told via Al-Jazeera television that Islamic Response group has come forward saying that U.S. Marine of Lebanese heritage, as you may remember, Corporal Wassef Ali Hassoun, is still alive. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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PHILLIPS: His fellow soldiers call him "old school," but Sergeant Clarence Kugler doesn't mind, rather, he views it as a badge of honor. At 59, Sergeant Kugler is the oldest enlisted U.S. soldier in Iraq. He arrived in Baghdad five months ago on what he sees as a mission of compassion. Earlier today the soldier, whom served in Vietnam 30 years ago, spoke with CNN's Heidi Collins about his recent experiences.

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HEIDI COLLINS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Tell us a little bit about what it was like for U.S. troops to witness last week that transfer of power, as well as Saddam Hussein being brought before a judge.

SGT. CLARENCE KUGLER, U.S. ARMY: Well, I think personally for me it was something that we had been striving for since the breakout of the war. And it was to us on a day-by-day basis, we're here to help rebuild this country. And we expect that the trial will take place, and that of course we presume everyone innocent before trial, but we're hoping that the evidence will find Saddam guilty and that we can go about rebuilding the country.

COLLINS: As we mentioned in introducing you this morning, you're 59 years old. They're saying you're the old guy there. You must have some insight after being a Vietnam War veteran as well that the younger soldiers can benefit from. What are some of those characteristics?

KUGLER: I think in one aspect, you learn not to be complacent, that, when you are in a combat environment, it really is the best of time for soldiering in many ways. You get people helping you and working at a team and that's a great feeling to be part of a team. But you still, the bottom line is force protection. We want to bring everyone home. In a combat environment, if you take things for granted, that's when real disaster can happen. So sergeant major here, in country, says treat every day like it's your first day here, because it may be your last day.

COLLINS: Some solid advice, that's for sure. As I'm sure you are well aware, a lot of Americans are watching the news coverage. What they are seeing mostly news about fighting the insurgency, but you say the work they have been doing with the civil affairs unit is kind of like the Peace Corps. Explain to our viewers what exactly it is you are doing.

KUGLER: Well, it's real exciting if you enjoy helping people, and I think most people in civil affairs are really here because they enjoy working with civilian communities, throughout the world. And in the next 90 days we have committed $445 million to improving Baghdad. There's going to be new sewer systems put in the city, the electricity is going to be upgraded. There's going to be clean water that hasn't been here before. That's going to be brought to the area. And we're going to start cleaning up the city by moving the waste that's throughout the city.

COLLINS: Sergeant Kugler, are things getting better for Iraqis as you see it?

KUGLER: I do see it as getting better for the Iraqis. I see it because when I go out on missions, we get waves. We get signs of approval. I was in Vietnam and I saw the faces of civilians at that time. And it's 360 degrees difference. I think that when we actually in the civil affairs community get a chance to work with the Iraqis, we really see what a decent and moral people these are. It's just a shame that a few people in the area that, you know, want to use violence as a means of communication, that they get all the publicity, because the real heroes of this country are the Iraqis that come to work every day, and wait, so that this nation can be run by Iraqis.

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PHILLIPS: No word on how long Sergeant Kugler's unit will be in Iraq. He just hopes it will be long enough for the 478th to make a difference.

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O'BRIEN: It has been 50 years to the day since the beating death of an Ohio housewife set off one of the most fascinating murder cases of the 20th century. The case of Sam Sheppard, the doctor accused and convicted of murdering his pregnant wife, remains as mystery to this day. Chris Lawrence with our story.

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CHRIS LAWRENCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Nothing in Bay Village, Ohio, suggests one of the most famous crime scenes of the last century. The home of the infamous murder was torn down in 1993. And the only evidence of what happened is in libraries like this one. But for hundreds of people a year, the Cleveland State University archives remain popular.

WILLIAM BARROW, SPECIAL COLLECTIONS LIBRARIAN: It seems like people come here on a regular basis thinking they are going to solve the Sam Sheppard murder case.

LAWRENCE: But no one has. After Marilyn Sheppard was found bludgeoned to death in their bedroom in 1954 Sam Shepard was convicted of murder. He said an intruder killed his pregnant wife, and 10 years later the Supreme Court made a landmark decision when it overturned the verdict, saying excessive media coverage denied the doctor a fair trial.

SAM SHEPPARD, MURDER SUSPECT: After 10 years in prison for something I didn't do, it's about time.

LAWRENCE: Some legal scholars see similarities between this case and Scott Peterson's trial for the murder of his wife, Laci.

PATRICIA FALK, LAW PROFESSOR, CLEVELAND STATE UNIVERSITY: There are lots of murders all the time, but only a few really capture the imagination in a way that these cases do.

LAWRENCE (on camera): The Sheppard's' original home doesn't exist anymore, but the case has lived on through constant attention in popular culture. Many still believe it inspired the television character Richard Kimball, and later a film version of "The Fugitive."

BARROW: Maybe "The Fugitive" wasn't based on the Sheppard trial, but it would be hard to imagine that it wasn't a factor playing around somebody's mind when they were putting it together. LAWRENCE: A second jury acquitted Dr. Sheppard in 1966, and he died four years later. His son tried to get him vindicated through DNA evidence, but the murder of Marilyn Shepherd remains open and unsolved.

Chris Lawrence, CNN, Bay Village, Ohio.

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O'BRIEN: Welcome back to the CNN center in Atlanta. This is LIVE FROM. I'm Miles O'Brien.

PHILLIPS: And I'm Kyra Phillips. Here is what's all new this half hour.

Cell phones, faxes, laptops, are they making it impossible to really get away from it all? Yes. How to get unwired when you unwind on your summer vacation.

O'BRIEN: And a legendary coach's talk of turning pro has college basketball fans crying foul. We'll tell you about Coach K.'s decision.

But first the top stories we are following for you.

PHILLIPS: Al Jazeera Television says that an Iraqi Islamic group claims U.S. Marine Wassef Hassoun has been moved to safety. Al Jazeera reports that a group calling itself the Islamic Response claims that Hassoun has promised he won't return to the U.S. military.

A look now at other news making headlines.

Iraq's interim government has put its amnesty plan for insurgents on hold indefinitely. Interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi says that there are still too many questions about which insurgents might be eligible for a pardon and what they would have to do in order to get one.

The State Department says that a terror threat forced the cancellation of an Independence Day reception today at the U.S. embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan. The British embassy in Islamabad also received a threat.

And the threat of terror is leaving its mark in the tiny Gulf kingdom of Bahrain. Centcom today ordered 650 U.S. military dependents out of that area. Pentagon sources say that there is credible evidence that Bahrain could be the next site of an attack on Americans.

O'BRIEN: The Kerry campaign insists the Democratic presidential candidate has not yet chosen a running mate. But one Democratic official is telling CNN the senator has, in fact, made his choice and he will announce it soon.

With us now, our CNN contributor and former Republican congressman, Bob Barr of Georgia. And in our Washington bureau, syndicated columnist Julianne Malveaux. We're going to bat around vice-presidential possibilities here for a moment.

Julianne, we'll begin with you. Let's start with John Edwards as a possible choice. Do you think that Mr. Kerry would be making a good choice if he chose him?

JULIANNE MALVEAUX, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: I think that's the good choice he could make. He knocks it out of the park with that one. John Edwards is engaging. He's energizing; younger people like him.

O'BRIEN: Wait a minute, wait a minute. Those are all things that you might say Kerry does not do, though. That could be a problem, right?

MALVEAUX: Well, Miles you went there, I didn't.

And it could be a problem. But quite frankly we want to strengthen the ticket. We want to make sure that people are excited, not only about John Kerry, who is our choice, no matter what, but we're also excited about the energy the entire ticket brings to the table.

I think that John Edwards, you know, you saw tremendous growth in him over the past year. Last year when he was -- at first announced he was running, I used to call him -- derisively call him the rookie. But he's not a rookie anymore. I mean, he's really earned some stripes out here.

O'BRIEN: Bob Barr, if you were advising this campaign, not that that would ever occur, what would you say -- would you say this would be a good choice? Do you think that Republicans would quake in their boot with a Kerry-Edwards ticket?

BOB BARR, FORMER REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN: Well, first of all, I think that the only quaking in the boots by the selection of a Kerry running mate would be if Hillary were there. I think that would be a very, very smart move from the Kerry camp and would cause very serious repercussions on the Republican side.

This is going to be a very unusual election year from the standpoint, Miles, that I think who Kerry chooses as his running mate will make a difference in a very close race. So this is a very important decision.

Edwards certainly brings youth and vitality to the ticket, something that is needed. But I think on the other side, outweighing that, is the fact that, even though he has, as was just indicated, run a very tough and in some respects a very successful primary campaign, he still is very, very untested. And I think that would perhaps cause the Kerry campaign to go with a more veteran political figure such as a Dick Gephardt or even still, possibly Hillary Clinton.

O'BRIEN: Well, you mentioned Hillary Clinton twice. Let's go there first and talk about this. Any time there's any discussion of anything even in the zip code of the Oval Office, her name comes up.

Julianne, is this just idle speculation on the part of political wonks (ph) who'd like to see this happen? The Drudge Report is pushing this one. It's all over the Internet. Or is there some "there" there?

MALVEAUX: Well, I don't think there's much there. I think that Bob Barr and his cronies would like nothing more than to see Hillary Clinton there. She is tremendous. I'm a big fan. But she's a polarizing figure.

The purpose of choosing a vice-presidential candidate is not to give us pundits something to talk about. It's about the governance of the country. Hillary Clinton said that she would serve out her term as a senator when she ran. I'm going to hold her to her word. And I think she's going to stick to her word on that. I think she's got ambitions, but I think later, not now.

O'BRIEN: But Julianne, you just heard Bob Barr say Republicans would quake in their boots. No?

MALVEAUX: That's spin. That's Barr spin. He's always been...

O'BRIEN: Barr spin.

MALVEAUX: Barr spin, yes.

O'BRIEN: All right. Is that Barr spin on the barstool?

BARR: Whether it's standing up or sitting down is sort of irrelevant.

I do happen to think that -- that if Kerry were to choose Hillary Clinton that would signal two things. One, that the Clintons have determined that Kerry has a real shot at winning the election in the fall. Otherwise, I don't think the Clintons would risk having Hillary on the Clinton (sic).

And secondly, I think it would indicate that Kerry is very serious about winning this campaign.

And I think it would make a lot of sense from the Democrat standpoint to put her on the ticket. It would energize their base. Certainly, it would energize the Republican base, but it would very much energize the Democrat base at the same time. And I'm not sure that Edwards could do that.

O'BRIEN: All right. Julianne, let's talk about Dick Gephardt for just a moment. You are pretty enthused about the prospects of John Edwards.

Dick Gephardt is a steady hand. The perception here is that he brings the labor block with him. I don't know that there is such a thing as the labor block anymore. How would you handicap that choice?

MALVEAUX: Well, labor is going to come to Kerry, whether Gephardt is with him or not. Dick Gephardt is great on the issues, but he's the past and Edwards is the future. I don't think that you get a lot. You get Missouri, and certainly it's a state that we'd like to have, but other than that, you don't get a lot. You send a different kind of signal.

You send a signal that you're looking backward, not looking forward. I don't think it's the best choice for Kerry. But certainly the two men have a fair amount of comfort between them and, you know, the Democratic base is going to go with whatever John Kerry chooses.

The comfort may well weigh in Gephardt's favor. But I don't think that the troops are going to jump up and down about that one.

O'BRIEN: Bob Barr?

BARR: Well, the fact of the matter is that the base for either party, the Democrat or the Republican, is going to be pivotal, and it is important to motivate that base.

We've seen that on the Republican side, where elections have been close. We actually lost because our base was not motivated. So I think both parties need to pay very close attention to motivating their base, not that their base would vote for the other party but that they might stay home, and in a close election that would make the difference. You don't want your base to stay home. You want them energized, out working and get them out to vote.

O'BRIEN: Bob Barr and Julianne Malveaux, thank you very much for joining us on a holiday.

BARR: Sure.

O'BRIEN: We appreciate it.

MALVEAUX: Thank you, Miles.

O'BRIEN: All right. We'll see you soon -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Cool space pics, just ahead. Miles takes us on the 60-second tour of Titan. OK, maybe we'll give him a little more than 60 seconds. He never stays within 60 seconds.

And no one could bring down this fortress at sea more than 150 years until now, but this enemy is relentless.

And later, getting away from it all. It's summer vacation time. Can you really resist the temptation to pack your cell phone, the Blackberry, the pager your computer, all that stuff?

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O'BRIEN: Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" appears for another strong weekend at the box office. Final figures aren't in yet. The film has already broken box office records for a documentary.

Sibila Vargas reports the film continues to attract crowds and controversy. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

MICHAEL MOORE, FILMMAKER: I'm stunned by the response to this; absolutely incredible.

SIBILA VARGAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The box office success of "Fahrenheit 9/11" not only shocked the filmmaker himself; it sent ripples across the country, from Hollywood to Washington.

MOORE: Members of Congress, this is Michael Moore.

TOM O'NEIL, SENIOR EDITOR, "IN-TOUCH": People don't like to pay money to see something about politics. And they don't pay money to see documentaries. So the success of this movie is all the more remarkable because of that.

VARGAS: The film's distributor says Michael Moore's scathing documentary about President Bush brought in more money in its opening weekend than any other documentary ever.

From big cities to small towns, the film has become a magnet for the anti-Bush crowd.

Though some conservatives have been reluctant to address the issue, counter efforts have been waged. Organizations hoping to discredit Moore claim he manipulates facts and stretches artistic license.

One group, Citizens United, has filed a claim with the Federal Election Commission, charging the film's TV ads violate campaign laws.

DAVID BOSSIE, PRESIDENT, CITIZENS UNITED: The movie, which I have seen is full start to finish, with -- with lies. It's propaganda.

VARGAS: The filmmaker welcomes the criticism.

MOORE: All attempts by Republicans and right-wingers to prohibit the American public from seeing this film, they have only helped the movie, and they're all getting a Christmas card from me this year.

VARGAS: Sibila Vargas, CNN, Los Angeles.

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PHILLIPS: And we take you live to Athens Greece. Check it out. Here it is. The bus inches a little closer, and the door opens. It's happening here on CNN live as you see it.

Miles is very excited by this split screen, by the way. It's new technology for television in Athens, Greece.

What you are seeing is, of course, the Euro 2004 champs, the Greek soccer team, via a bus here with -- Actually, this looks like a really lot of attractive women. My guess is it's wives and girlfriends in that bus. I don't even see any team members yet. But anyway, they are arriving at the original Olympic stadium, back where the first modern Olympic games were hosted in 1896, to thousands and thousands, we are told, 50,000 plus fans getting ready to greet them as they get off the bus.

There you go. Now we at least can see the coach. We see the trophy. Looks like the prime minister is also up there close to them. But there we go. We got the tight shot.

As you know, the Greek team basically stunned all soccer fans, taking that win during the championship. And now the hope is this excitement over the soccer team being champs, it will get the Greeks excited about the Olympics. They'll sell more ticket. And there you go.

They're having impromptu parties all across Athens, Greece.

And what a perfect time to go from this to sports and talk about another crazy set of fans. We're talking about those Duke University fans. They've got a reason to be going crazy today. Michelle Bonner here.

MICHELLE BONNER, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: They sure do. They're breathing a sigh of relief.

I'll tell you what, Kyra, not the chance to coach Kobe Bryant, one of the game's best, who isn't even in his prime yet, or the opportunity to make as much as $8 million a year. None of that was enough to lure Mike Krzyzewski away from Duke.

Word early this afternoon, Coach K. has turned down the Lakers' offer to be their next head coach. A press conference is scheduled for 5 p.m.

Eastern. Krzyzewski has been the Blue Devils head coach, of course, for 24 years, guiding them to three national championships. He signed a lifetime contract just two years ago, which Duke officials said they were open to modifying it to improve it.

No word on whether they actually did that or not, Kyra, because, obviously Duke was going to do whatever they could to keep this guy for the rest of his coaching life.

PHILLIPS: Someone else that doesn't need, really, a lot of coaching. That's Lance Armstrong. He seems to be doing just fine in the Tour de France.

BONNER: He is. You know, it's very early, only the second stage. But, you know, Lance Armstrong continued to play it safe today in the second stage of the tour, using his wealth of experience and saving himself, of course, for the mountains.

Armstrong finished just back of the pack in his fourth overall, 18 seconds off the lead. And you know, this only being the second stage and saving himself for the mountains. He has two bodyguards who sort of ride along and protect him from stuff like that that you're seeing right now. That was right at the finish line. That surge of speed so that somebody can claim second, you know, first place after the second stage.

Often you see crashes like that occurring, and that's why Lance, you know, the last five years, five-time winner, he knows that, you know, save yourself a little bit. Means, virtually nothing to be in first place after the first or second stage.

PHILLIPS: How do the bodyguards work? Do they -- I mean, they can't keep up with them, can they? Do they go and -- do they have a couple bodyguards every few minutes?

BONNER: Yes. They're going to keep it in stages. And it's sort of they don't do it for the entire race, but they may do it for the last 12 miles. Sort of protecting him from the wind, the elements and protecting him from stuff like this, knowing that when there are certain surges just like this to the finish line when you only have, you know, so many feet left to go. They're sort of protecting him from some of those elements.

PHILLIPS: Interesting. All right. Wimbledon. I'm not going to attempt to say her name. All I know is that Serena got beat.

BONNER: You know, Maria Sharapova, and it's funny because...

PHILLIPS: Sharapova.

BONNER: ... when you were talking about Greece winning the Euro 2004. It got a little blurb in the Russian newspapers. Now the Russians love their soccer.

But it's funny, because with her winning on Saturday and upsetting Serena Williams -- she's only 17 years old -- you know, they're saying "Ave Maria," "Old Russia," the headlines are reading. They're calling her the queen of England.

And you know, they compare this girl to Anna Kournikova.

PHILLIPS: Beautiful.

BONNER: Because she's so beautiful. And yet, this girl can win. This was only her first ever Grand Slam. Miles is definitely agreeing.

PHILLIPS: Miles all of a sudden is paying attention.

BONNER: It was only her first Grand Slam final. And what's interesting about her is that, because she's 17 and she's so young, she's not allowed to complete -- to compete in a full schedule. WTA rules prohibit her...

O'BRIEN: Past her bedtime?

PHILLIPS: Now, you see someone like Serena, OK, her big guns, and she's so powerful and strong. And then you see this -- she's not necessarily -- she's kind of dainty, I guess you could say. I mean, what is it about her that -- that...

BONNER: Isn't that remarkable?

PHILLIPS: Yes. How -- What is it about her that enabled her to beat Serena? What was it?

BONNER: You know what? She's incredibly strong. She may look very dainty, but she's incredibly strong.

And I think actually what probably helped her win was she didn't let her nerves beat her, and she also -- she stayed incredibly poised. I mean, Serena is very intimidating. She didn't let that -- as soon as this match started, this girl did not let anything that Serena did intimidate her whatsoever. And I think that essentially that is probably what helped her more than anything.

But, you know, she won this. She beat Serena. This wasn't just a fluke. Because you saw Serena shortly before that just hammer Jennifer Capriati in, what, 43, 45 minutes, 6-1, 6-1. She only lost two games. So we knew Serena's form was fantastic.

PHILLIPS: We'll be watching this gal, won't we?

O'BRIEN: Remember that name, Sharapova.

BONNER: Sharapova.

O'BRIEN: Sharapova. All right.

BONNER: We know Miles will. Absolutely.

O'BRIEN: Been to any weddings this summer, Kyra?

PHILLIPS: Not yet, no. I've got some coming up in September.

O'BRIEN: I'm at the funeral stage now. I'm getting older.

PHILLIPS: Oh!

O'BRIEN: Meet a couple taking matters into their own hands.

PHILLIPS: Then, vacation unplugged. Can you really get away from the office pager, the cell phone, the laptop, the...?

O'BRIEN: Why would you want to?

PHILLIPS: The chains -- the chains...

O'BRIEN: Not at all.

PHILLIPS: ... that keep us bonded to our jobs, our spouses, our kids.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) O'BRIEN: And now the moment Kyra has been waiting for, yet another "Saturn Minute."

Kyra, when last we left Saturn, we were talking about the noise that Cassini made as it sort of entered into the magnetic sphere of Saturn. We call it a bow shock. Now if you'll imagine for just a moment -- put Kyra on here. She's -- Imagine, if you will...

PHILLIPS: Why do you torture me like this?

O'BRIEN: ... tiny, cosmological bugs hitting the windshield of Cassini as it went in, little piece of plasma as it comes in. Ever wonder what that would sound like?

PHILLIPS: Probably here we go. Another bio shock (ph).

O'BRIEN: Listen up. Listen up.

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O'BRIEN: "At Pearl Harbor" -- you know, it's one of those things.

PHILLIPS: That's the way it is.

O'BRIEN: It may sound like static, but that's little plasma hitting it. And scientists get all excited about such things.

All right. Let's go to the -- no pictures.

PHILLIPS: And you.

O'BRIEN: And show you what's going on as Cassini starts paying a little bit of attention to the moon Titan, which Kyra knows is -- what do you know about Titan?

PHILLIPS: I'm -- was I supposed to be paying attention?

O'BRIEN: What do you know about Titan?

PHILLIPS: It's the farthest from the second biggest satellite. I'm trying to remember.

O'BRIEN: All right. That's a methane cloud.

PHILLIPS: Thank you.

O'BRIEN: All the stuff that's green there is carbon material. Do you know what we're made of? Carbon.

PHILLIPS: Hot air.

O'BRIEN: Carbon is a good thing.

All right. That's just one minute, but we're going into bonus time now, aren't we, as we started the clock.

Take a look at some of these pictures of the clouds. Scientists actually thought they would see more, Kyra, but they're not. This is that methane cloud again. And this is -- well, it might as well be L.A. Smog.

PHILLIPS: You have to stop dissing L.A., by the way. The bureau chief called.

O'BRIEN: Did they really?

PHILLIPS: Yes.

O'BRIEN: Next one.

PHILLIPS: Sorry, Pete.

O'BRIEN: Take a look at these kind of -- they call these linear features here. You know what that means?

PHILLIPS: Looks like frozen HUD video.

O'BRIEN: Could be. You're such a fighter person.

Anyway, that could be activity, geologic activity, maybe volcanoes.

And there's a shot of Titan from a distance, obviously. This was as Cassini approached.

Let's take one look at some animation. I want to show you very quickly. Come January -- I know you've got it on your Palm Pilot already. Here's the methane cloud.

But come January, they're going to drop a probe. Cassini will release a giant wok. There it is. There goes the wok on its way toward Titan. It's going to enter into the atmosphere, one and a half times thicker than ours here on Earth. Heads down to the surface and will beam back to the mother ship some information about this mysterious planet, which could very well have the same ingredients of an early Earth before life took hold.

PHILLIPS: Cool stuff. I'll admit to it.

O'BRIEN: Thank you for saying so.

PHILLIPS: It is very cool.

O'BRIEN: At least playing along.

PHILLIPS: All right. Listen to this.

A Seattle couple tried something different to help pay for their upcoming wedding. We should have thought of this, after all the money we spent. A car was. There you go.

The entire wedding party grabbed sponges, buckets to help raise money for the event. And here's what the bride and groom had to say.

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ED LURAGHI, ENGAGED: Last year we had a -- nine of my friends got married last year, so they're all very acquainted with how much it costs.

ANDREA WHITTAKER, ENGAGED: The cost of a wedding.

LURAGHI: So they're just wanting to just bless us and give us a good way out. So this is a good creative way to get people out here to support us.

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PHILLIPS: The groom says that -- I guess they made just under $400 during the five-hour event. That will buy, what a bouquet?

O'BRIEN: Half a cake? Good luck.

PHILLIPS: Yes.

O'BRIEN: Good luck. I -- I wish you well. Just elope, get it over with.

Sometimes you just need to get away from it all. But in this age of cell phones, beepers and wireless computers, is it even possible to be out of touch?

CNN's Maggie Lake looks at the need for a technology free vacation.

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MAGGIE LAKE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Feel the need to escape the daily grind? You're not alone. Travel bookings across the United States are on the rise.

The Travel Industry Association of America said this summer will be the biggest one-year jump in leisure travel in the last four years.

(on camera) But getting away isn't easy. Whether you're in a coffee shop, at the airport, or at the beach, wireless technologies made it possible to log on and call in from almost anywhere.

(voice-over) And employers know that. Managers have come to rely on instant access as a way of squeezing more work out of a tight labor pool.

GIL GORDON, AUTHOR, "TURN IT OFF": I think the employers are demanding it in many cases as an after effect of all the downsizing. You know, there's less bench strength. There are fewer people to cover for those who are on vacation. So in some cases, it's perceived by the employer as a business necessity.

LAKE: A business tool for some, for others being wired has turned into an addiction.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My cell phone I use the second I leave the office until the time I go to bed, probably.

LAKE: Psychologists warn the tech overload can make workers burnt out and less productive. Therapists like Susan Battley say it's important to unplug when you go on vacation. If you do have to take your laptop or cell phone, set ground rules.

SUSAN BATTLEY, INDUSTRIAL PSYCHOLOGIST: If you do need to leave your contact information, then leave it with a reliable person, someone who will be a gatekeeper and only contact you if the situation is urgent.

If you do need to touch base with the office, try to arrange a fixed time so that it is convenient for you.

LAKE: Allowing time to decompress, whether it be a nap on the beach, a European vacation, or a picnic in the park, will revitalize you and help you cope with life's hectic pace.

Maggie Lake, CNN, New York.

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O'BRIEN: Well you know video games often get blamed for making kids too sedentary. I happen to know that Murray O'Brien (ph) right now is playing a video game, and some days it's a little too much.

But this is one -- maybe this is one we've got to get in the household. Look, Ma, I got happy feet, I guess. He actually lost weight while playing the game by doing this thing.

PHILLIPS: And keep out. The fortress practically in the middle of nowhere now getting a second lease on life.

O'BRIEN: And at the top of the hour, Iraqi oil under attack. We'll have the latest for you from Baghdad.

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PHILLIPS: Welcome back to LIVE FROM. I'm Kyra Phillips.

O'BRIEN: And I'm Miles O'Brien. Here's what's happening at this hour.

Iraqi police in Fallujah say U.S. planes bombed a home there, killing eight people, including three children. So far, the U.S. military not commenting on the strike. The U.S. has been targeting building it says are...

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MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Ah, vacation. Does your vacation look a little too much like this? Why employers are expecting you to stay wired on the road. From the CNN center in Atlanta, I'm Miles O'Brien.
KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Kyra Phillips. This hour of CNN's LIVE FROM starts right now.

O'BRIEN: The Democratic National Convention just three weeks away, so who will stand beside presidential candidate John Kerry as his running mate? The Kerry campaign says the senator has not made up his mind. But a Democratic official who has talked with Kerry tells CNN the candidate has made a decision and will announce it shortly. The men considered top contenders for the slot include Senator John Edwards of North Carolina, Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack and Missouri Congressman Dick Gephardt.

CNN's Joe Johns joining us with more from the campaign trail.

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JOE JOHNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): John Kerry was wrapping up his three-day three-state bus tour in the heartland while keeping the guessing game going over his choice of a running mate, shaking hands at an Independence Day parade. In his shadows, Iowa's Governor Tom Vilsack who is on the short list for number two on the Democratic ticket, along with Richard Gephardt and John Edwards. But Kerry was sidestepping the obvious question.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Is Vilsack your guy?

JOHN KERRY (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It's a great day.

JOHNS: Vilsack, who has compared choosing a running mate to choosing a spouse, was in the spotlight Sunday, but also sidestepping the big question. He attended church with Kerry in the morning and joined him later in a visit to the film set for the baseball movie "Field of Dreams." In one memorable moment, Vilsack dropped the ball. In another, as promised, Kerry disappeared into the corn mimicking a scene from the film. Then he reappeared to play a little baseball with kids. Before leaving, Kerry hit a pop fly and an inside the ballpark home run. Later, speaking at a barbecue in Independence, Iowa, there was no mention of running mates from either man, though Vilsack, audition- like, got in an anti-Bush applause line.

TOM VILSACK (D), GOVERNOR OF IOWA: 228 years ago, Americans were a little upset with a leader named George. They put together a series of concerns. And here we are, 228 years later, and we're still concerned about a leader named George, aren't we?

JOHNS: Kerry was putting the finishing touches on the swing through Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Iowa, and trying to connect with rural and small town voters. With a liberal Senate voting record, he's taking heat for claiming he stands for conservative values here. But Sunday night offered a rebuttal of sorts.

KERRY: It really doesn't matter whether it's a Democrat idea or Republican idea. It matters whether it works for America and it's going to make this country stronger and our citizens better off.

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O'BRIEN: That was from Joe Johns.

Delaware Senator Joe Biden says he's not among those who may be tapped as Kerry's running mate. He told CNN, and we quote him now, "I'm the most unlikely vice-presidential pick you are going to find." That was the end of the quote. Biden says as far as he knows, no one has done any vetting or checking if he could be a vice-presidential candidate.

Are the veepstakes about to end? More ticket talk with Judy Woodruff on "INSIDE POLITICS." As always, 3:30 eastern, right here on CNN.

President Bush spent the Fourth of July on the campaign trail as well. He visited West Virginia, a battleground state in the November elections. Thousands came out to hear him speak at the capital in Charleston. The president praised the sacrifices of U.S. troops in war zones. He also told the crowd America is the world's foremost champion of liberty.

PHILLIPS: Turning now to Iraq, a possible amnesty deal for insurgents is still being negotiated and has been put on hold. A spokesman for interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi says that there are too many questions about who should be offered pardons and what insurgents should have to do to get one.

On Sunday spokesman George Sada told CNN the proposed amnesty would not cover hard-core criminals and murder suspects.

Fire continues to burn along the oil pipeline in southern Iraq following a weekend attack by insurgents. Iraq's oil ministry says the explosion took out part of a strategic line that feeds refineries in central and northern Iraq. It's the latest in more than 130 successful attacks on Iraq's oil lines since they began during the war. CNN's senior correspondent Brent Sadler reports that part of the problem appears to be gaping holes in the security.

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BRENT SADLER, CNN SENIOR CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Giant ships fill their tank with Iraqi crude oil, exporting up to $3 million worth of oil an hour, if all works well. But all is not well. Crude oozes from a gaping hole after recent attacks on strategic pipelines near Basra in southern Iraq, sapping oil revenues.

IYAD ALLAWI, INTERIM PRIME MINISTER OF IRAQ: Anyone involved in these attacks is nothing more than a traitor to the cause of Iraq's freedom and the freedom of its people.

SADLER: Oil protection is supposed to be a top priority on land and at sea since last year's invasion of Iraq. But Iraqi officials claim it's been hit and miss, exposing a worrying shortfall in coalition planning.

JABBAR AL-LEABY, DIRECTOR GENERAL, SOUTH OIL COMPANY: So, they need to security everywhere, and security in men, security in equipment, security in every aspect.

SADLER (on camera): The vast and often remote network of pipelines is vulnerable to attacks. No oil means no money to pay for the cost of war, reconstruction, and recovery.

As recently as two months ago, would-be suicide bombers tried, but failed, to hit these vital offshore terminals, now guarded by a fleet of coalition warships. U.S. soldiers help enforce a new exclusion zone patrolled by the American and British navies. Nothing is foolproof, though.

ADM. ALLAN WEST, BRITISH FIRST SEA LORD: Everything is always vulnerable if you get the right thing at the right time and you are lucky. But now they are much harder to crack.

SADLER: But on land, where saboteurs are getting through, a 15,000 strong Iraqi protection force, privately trained with coalition money, is paper-thin. With more than 7,000 miles of pipeline, and 260 facilities to guard.

KEVIN THOMAS, OIL ADVISER, CPA SOUTH: Our patrols can only walk through, we can monitor the patrol patterns, and attack when the patrol has moved on.

SADLER: The oil network has so far been hit more than 130 times in the past seven months alone, including a 6-day shutdown of all crude exports in June. Losing money Iraq and its coalition allies can ill afford.

Brent Sadler, CNN, Basra, southern Iraq.

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O'BRIEN: It was deja vu recently for some U.S. troops making their second trip to Iraq. CNN's David Mattingly went to Atlanta's Hartsfield Jackson International Airport for the sendoff.

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DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): They've been home for the shortest two weeks of their lives, but leave is over for these soldiers. It's time for the long flight back, back to an Iraq that is now run by Iraqis.

TANYA SIMMONS, WIFE OF SOLDIER: Hopefully now it will take the emphasis off of the American soldiers and put it back on the Iraqis.

MATTINGLY: Many of these soldiers watch the hand-over with their families on television, a reminder of the job waiting for them as they tried to lose themselves in the comforts of home.

MATTINGLY (on camera): What do you expect to see when you get back?

MATTINGLY: They now return talking of mixed emotions, hopeful that the worst is over, mindful of possible dangers ahead.

SPEC. STEPHEN GRENDA, U.S. ARMY: Hopefully they'll step up and start taking responsibility for their own country, their own people in their country.

SPEC. CHAD WEBSTER, U.S. ARMY: We'll wait to see. We don't know what to expect going back. We don't know what the change is going to be.

MATTINGLY: When these soldiers get back to Iraq they'll be returning more experienced than last time. They're smarter, more seasoned. But with that experience, they say, has come an important lesson, to always be prepared for anything.

MATTINGLY (voice-over): Daily episodes of violence since the hand-over drive the point home that the bloodshed they left behind will be waiting. A certainty that makes a new round of farewells tough for any soldier.

Is it harder saying good-bye the second time than it was the first time? In what way?

Sergeant Bonnie Collins holds her two young daughters close, trying to make the most of their last hours together before mom goes back to Baghdad.

SGT. BONNIE COLLINS, U.S. ARMY: Getting through this, getting on the plane will be hard. But once it's done it's done.

MATTINGLY: A 14-hour flight that begins with heartache. Destination, the now familiar but dangerous nation of Iraq.

David Mattingly, CNN, Atlanta.

(END VIDEOTAPE) PHILLIPS: Other news across America now, in Philadelphia Afghan President Hamid Karzai accepted the Philadelphia Liberty medal during Fourth of July ceremonies at Independence Hall. The medal is presented by the Philadelphia Foundation and recognizes leadership in the pursuit of freedom. Mr. Karzai says the $100,000 prize money will be used to support Afghan orphans.

Firefighters near Safford, Arizona, are working to protect the Mount Graham International Observatory. Two major wild fires are threatening to converge on the mountains. The observatory has been evacuated, along with nearby cabins. A fire management spokeswoman says that the firefighters hope to have the fires contained later this month.

Sources close to the investigation tell CNN former Enron chairman Ken Lay is expected to be indicted sometime this week. Lay told "The New York Times" his relationship with President Bush could make it harder for the grand jury to decide not to indict him. He faces charges stemming from a corporate scandal that caused the company to collapse in 2001. Affiliate station KHOU caught up with Lay as left church on Sunday.

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KEN LAY, FORMER CHAIRMAN, ENRON: Obviously, I wish what happened hadn't happened. But we can't redo history now. And the main thing that I always prayed for from day one is that all the truth comes out. And then let's get on with it.

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PHILLIPS: Lay maintains that he is innocent of any wrongdoing.

O'BRIEN: Shoot to kill, Germany changes its laws for securing the skies from terrorism. We'll have details for you ahead on LIVE FROM.

And when it happened it was called the murder of the century. Find out why it's still fascinating sleuths 50 years later.

And a washed up wedding, a fiance finds financing one shiny fender at a time, a unique way to pay for the special day.

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PHILLIPS: Live to Athens, Greece right now as you're seeing the homecoming of the Euro 2004 champs, that would be the Greek soccer team. Thousands and thousands of fans waiting for their national soccer team to arrive. Pretty stunning win at the European championship. Now the victory is bringing them back here to the original Olympic stadium, believe it or not, that hosted the first modern games back in 1896. Now we're told up to 50,000 fans waiting for the team to arrive. You can see the other live pictures there in the split screen. The team arriving in this coach. Fans have been following the bus along the freeways, all the way to the final arrival here at the Olympic stadium. So we'll check in once the team gets off the bus and greets the fans. We'll check in live once again.

O'BRIEN: Love that split screen.

News around the world to tell you about now. Millions of votes are being counted from Indonesia's first direct presidential election. Early returns show the retired army general leading over the incumbent. Some ballots are being recounted after voters apparently punched the paper when it was folded in two. Does that sound familiar?

Israel's normally secretive Atomic Energy Commission now has a website. It doesn't provide many details about the country's nuclear program. Israel says there's no connection between the site and an upcoming visit by Mohammad el-Baradei, who is head of the UN's nuclear watchdog agency.

At The Hague, the war crimes trial of former Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic is in limbo due to concerns about Milosevic's health. The defense was to begin its case today. Now it's not clear when or even if the trial will resume.

PHILLIPS: Germany's air force can now legally shoot down hijacked planes to thwart a 9/11-style attack. Some fighter pilots have qualms about this. Some politicians say the new law doesn't go far enough. CNN's Chris Burns reports.

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CHRIS BURNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Over the skies of Frankfurt, a mentally disturbed German pilot threatens to crash into a skyscraper. German fighter planes scramble to intercept him but he lands safely. Last year's incident led parliament to pass a law empowering the German air force on defense minister's orders to shoot down civilian planes involved in a September 11 style suicide attack.

BRIG. GEN. PETER SCHELZIG, GERMAN AIR FORCE: It might not be a pleasant option, but it is an option. And, of course, the choice would be to let an airplane, one that has been hijacked, go wherever it wants to and let it do whatever it wants to.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Perhaps kill more people than otherwise.

SCHELZIG: Exactly.

BURNS: German fighter pilots agree, but still are uneasy.

THOMAS WASSMAN, ASSOCIATION OF GERMAN FIGHTER JET CREWS: I wouldn't call it license to kill, but for my opinion, I mean, you have to, as a state, you have to have something in your hand to be able to deal with it.

BURNS: What the fighter pilots' association and Germany's conservative opposition want is something stronger. A constitutional amendment not only to better spell out the legal grounds for shooting down a hijacked plane, but to expand the duties of Germany's armed forces, barred from domestic operations after Hitler used them to crush political opposition.

One conservative lawmaker cites the case of a chemical decontamination vehicle.

CHRISTIAN SCHMIDT, CHRISTIAN DEMOCRATIC UNION: It can be used in Kuwait but not in Germany itself so that nobody does understand.

BURNS: That's because of the post war laws.

SCHMIDT: Yes.

BURNS: That were built to prevent Nazis from coming back to power.

SCHMIDT: Yes.

BURNS: Some ordinary Germans say they back a law authorize the downing of suicide planes.

In an emergency you probably have to do it, he says, if someone is threatening to crash into a nuclear power plant.

Thinking the unthinkable. Not easy in a country still haunted by the horrors of a wartime regime with absolute power.

Chris Burns, CNN, Berlin.

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PHILLIPS: This just coming in to CNN. There's been a lot of questions about the fate of Corporal Wassef Ali Hassoun, you know that U.S. Marine that went missing a number of weeks ago. We're now being told an Iraqi militant group by the name of Islamic Response that says it is holding Wassef Ali Hassoun is denying these reports that he is dead. The Iraqi militant group came forward, said they have not killed this U.S. Marine that it is holding captive despite the earlier reports that he was dead. Al-Jazeera television reporting this. We have translated it here at CNN and now bringing it to you. Once again, we are being told via Al-Jazeera television that Islamic Response group has come forward saying that U.S. Marine of Lebanese heritage, as you may remember, Corporal Wassef Ali Hassoun, is still alive. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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PHILLIPS: His fellow soldiers call him "old school," but Sergeant Clarence Kugler doesn't mind, rather, he views it as a badge of honor. At 59, Sergeant Kugler is the oldest enlisted U.S. soldier in Iraq. He arrived in Baghdad five months ago on what he sees as a mission of compassion. Earlier today the soldier, whom served in Vietnam 30 years ago, spoke with CNN's Heidi Collins about his recent experiences.

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HEIDI COLLINS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Tell us a little bit about what it was like for U.S. troops to witness last week that transfer of power, as well as Saddam Hussein being brought before a judge.

SGT. CLARENCE KUGLER, U.S. ARMY: Well, I think personally for me it was something that we had been striving for since the breakout of the war. And it was to us on a day-by-day basis, we're here to help rebuild this country. And we expect that the trial will take place, and that of course we presume everyone innocent before trial, but we're hoping that the evidence will find Saddam guilty and that we can go about rebuilding the country.

COLLINS: As we mentioned in introducing you this morning, you're 59 years old. They're saying you're the old guy there. You must have some insight after being a Vietnam War veteran as well that the younger soldiers can benefit from. What are some of those characteristics?

KUGLER: I think in one aspect, you learn not to be complacent, that, when you are in a combat environment, it really is the best of time for soldiering in many ways. You get people helping you and working at a team and that's a great feeling to be part of a team. But you still, the bottom line is force protection. We want to bring everyone home. In a combat environment, if you take things for granted, that's when real disaster can happen. So sergeant major here, in country, says treat every day like it's your first day here, because it may be your last day.

COLLINS: Some solid advice, that's for sure. As I'm sure you are well aware, a lot of Americans are watching the news coverage. What they are seeing mostly news about fighting the insurgency, but you say the work they have been doing with the civil affairs unit is kind of like the Peace Corps. Explain to our viewers what exactly it is you are doing.

KUGLER: Well, it's real exciting if you enjoy helping people, and I think most people in civil affairs are really here because they enjoy working with civilian communities, throughout the world. And in the next 90 days we have committed $445 million to improving Baghdad. There's going to be new sewer systems put in the city, the electricity is going to be upgraded. There's going to be clean water that hasn't been here before. That's going to be brought to the area. And we're going to start cleaning up the city by moving the waste that's throughout the city.

COLLINS: Sergeant Kugler, are things getting better for Iraqis as you see it?

KUGLER: I do see it as getting better for the Iraqis. I see it because when I go out on missions, we get waves. We get signs of approval. I was in Vietnam and I saw the faces of civilians at that time. And it's 360 degrees difference. I think that when we actually in the civil affairs community get a chance to work with the Iraqis, we really see what a decent and moral people these are. It's just a shame that a few people in the area that, you know, want to use violence as a means of communication, that they get all the publicity, because the real heroes of this country are the Iraqis that come to work every day, and wait, so that this nation can be run by Iraqis.

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PHILLIPS: No word on how long Sergeant Kugler's unit will be in Iraq. He just hopes it will be long enough for the 478th to make a difference.

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O'BRIEN: It has been 50 years to the day since the beating death of an Ohio housewife set off one of the most fascinating murder cases of the 20th century. The case of Sam Sheppard, the doctor accused and convicted of murdering his pregnant wife, remains as mystery to this day. Chris Lawrence with our story.

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CHRIS LAWRENCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Nothing in Bay Village, Ohio, suggests one of the most famous crime scenes of the last century. The home of the infamous murder was torn down in 1993. And the only evidence of what happened is in libraries like this one. But for hundreds of people a year, the Cleveland State University archives remain popular.

WILLIAM BARROW, SPECIAL COLLECTIONS LIBRARIAN: It seems like people come here on a regular basis thinking they are going to solve the Sam Sheppard murder case.

LAWRENCE: But no one has. After Marilyn Sheppard was found bludgeoned to death in their bedroom in 1954 Sam Shepard was convicted of murder. He said an intruder killed his pregnant wife, and 10 years later the Supreme Court made a landmark decision when it overturned the verdict, saying excessive media coverage denied the doctor a fair trial.

SAM SHEPPARD, MURDER SUSPECT: After 10 years in prison for something I didn't do, it's about time.

LAWRENCE: Some legal scholars see similarities between this case and Scott Peterson's trial for the murder of his wife, Laci.

PATRICIA FALK, LAW PROFESSOR, CLEVELAND STATE UNIVERSITY: There are lots of murders all the time, but only a few really capture the imagination in a way that these cases do.

LAWRENCE (on camera): The Sheppard's' original home doesn't exist anymore, but the case has lived on through constant attention in popular culture. Many still believe it inspired the television character Richard Kimball, and later a film version of "The Fugitive."

BARROW: Maybe "The Fugitive" wasn't based on the Sheppard trial, but it would be hard to imagine that it wasn't a factor playing around somebody's mind when they were putting it together. LAWRENCE: A second jury acquitted Dr. Sheppard in 1966, and he died four years later. His son tried to get him vindicated through DNA evidence, but the murder of Marilyn Shepherd remains open and unsolved.

Chris Lawrence, CNN, Bay Village, Ohio.

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O'BRIEN: Welcome back to the CNN center in Atlanta. This is LIVE FROM. I'm Miles O'Brien.

PHILLIPS: And I'm Kyra Phillips. Here is what's all new this half hour.

Cell phones, faxes, laptops, are they making it impossible to really get away from it all? Yes. How to get unwired when you unwind on your summer vacation.

O'BRIEN: And a legendary coach's talk of turning pro has college basketball fans crying foul. We'll tell you about Coach K.'s decision.

But first the top stories we are following for you.

PHILLIPS: Al Jazeera Television says that an Iraqi Islamic group claims U.S. Marine Wassef Hassoun has been moved to safety. Al Jazeera reports that a group calling itself the Islamic Response claims that Hassoun has promised he won't return to the U.S. military.

A look now at other news making headlines.

Iraq's interim government has put its amnesty plan for insurgents on hold indefinitely. Interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi says that there are still too many questions about which insurgents might be eligible for a pardon and what they would have to do in order to get one.

The State Department says that a terror threat forced the cancellation of an Independence Day reception today at the U.S. embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan. The British embassy in Islamabad also received a threat.

And the threat of terror is leaving its mark in the tiny Gulf kingdom of Bahrain. Centcom today ordered 650 U.S. military dependents out of that area. Pentagon sources say that there is credible evidence that Bahrain could be the next site of an attack on Americans.

O'BRIEN: The Kerry campaign insists the Democratic presidential candidate has not yet chosen a running mate. But one Democratic official is telling CNN the senator has, in fact, made his choice and he will announce it soon.

With us now, our CNN contributor and former Republican congressman, Bob Barr of Georgia. And in our Washington bureau, syndicated columnist Julianne Malveaux. We're going to bat around vice-presidential possibilities here for a moment.

Julianne, we'll begin with you. Let's start with John Edwards as a possible choice. Do you think that Mr. Kerry would be making a good choice if he chose him?

JULIANNE MALVEAUX, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: I think that's the good choice he could make. He knocks it out of the park with that one. John Edwards is engaging. He's energizing; younger people like him.

O'BRIEN: Wait a minute, wait a minute. Those are all things that you might say Kerry does not do, though. That could be a problem, right?

MALVEAUX: Well, Miles you went there, I didn't.

And it could be a problem. But quite frankly we want to strengthen the ticket. We want to make sure that people are excited, not only about John Kerry, who is our choice, no matter what, but we're also excited about the energy the entire ticket brings to the table.

I think that John Edwards, you know, you saw tremendous growth in him over the past year. Last year when he was -- at first announced he was running, I used to call him -- derisively call him the rookie. But he's not a rookie anymore. I mean, he's really earned some stripes out here.

O'BRIEN: Bob Barr, if you were advising this campaign, not that that would ever occur, what would you say -- would you say this would be a good choice? Do you think that Republicans would quake in their boot with a Kerry-Edwards ticket?

BOB BARR, FORMER REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN: Well, first of all, I think that the only quaking in the boots by the selection of a Kerry running mate would be if Hillary were there. I think that would be a very, very smart move from the Kerry camp and would cause very serious repercussions on the Republican side.

This is going to be a very unusual election year from the standpoint, Miles, that I think who Kerry chooses as his running mate will make a difference in a very close race. So this is a very important decision.

Edwards certainly brings youth and vitality to the ticket, something that is needed. But I think on the other side, outweighing that, is the fact that, even though he has, as was just indicated, run a very tough and in some respects a very successful primary campaign, he still is very, very untested. And I think that would perhaps cause the Kerry campaign to go with a more veteran political figure such as a Dick Gephardt or even still, possibly Hillary Clinton.

O'BRIEN: Well, you mentioned Hillary Clinton twice. Let's go there first and talk about this. Any time there's any discussion of anything even in the zip code of the Oval Office, her name comes up.

Julianne, is this just idle speculation on the part of political wonks (ph) who'd like to see this happen? The Drudge Report is pushing this one. It's all over the Internet. Or is there some "there" there?

MALVEAUX: Well, I don't think there's much there. I think that Bob Barr and his cronies would like nothing more than to see Hillary Clinton there. She is tremendous. I'm a big fan. But she's a polarizing figure.

The purpose of choosing a vice-presidential candidate is not to give us pundits something to talk about. It's about the governance of the country. Hillary Clinton said that she would serve out her term as a senator when she ran. I'm going to hold her to her word. And I think she's going to stick to her word on that. I think she's got ambitions, but I think later, not now.

O'BRIEN: But Julianne, you just heard Bob Barr say Republicans would quake in their boots. No?

MALVEAUX: That's spin. That's Barr spin. He's always been...

O'BRIEN: Barr spin.

MALVEAUX: Barr spin, yes.

O'BRIEN: All right. Is that Barr spin on the barstool?

BARR: Whether it's standing up or sitting down is sort of irrelevant.

I do happen to think that -- that if Kerry were to choose Hillary Clinton that would signal two things. One, that the Clintons have determined that Kerry has a real shot at winning the election in the fall. Otherwise, I don't think the Clintons would risk having Hillary on the Clinton (sic).

And secondly, I think it would indicate that Kerry is very serious about winning this campaign.

And I think it would make a lot of sense from the Democrat standpoint to put her on the ticket. It would energize their base. Certainly, it would energize the Republican base, but it would very much energize the Democrat base at the same time. And I'm not sure that Edwards could do that.

O'BRIEN: All right. Julianne, let's talk about Dick Gephardt for just a moment. You are pretty enthused about the prospects of John Edwards.

Dick Gephardt is a steady hand. The perception here is that he brings the labor block with him. I don't know that there is such a thing as the labor block anymore. How would you handicap that choice?

MALVEAUX: Well, labor is going to come to Kerry, whether Gephardt is with him or not. Dick Gephardt is great on the issues, but he's the past and Edwards is the future. I don't think that you get a lot. You get Missouri, and certainly it's a state that we'd like to have, but other than that, you don't get a lot. You send a different kind of signal.

You send a signal that you're looking backward, not looking forward. I don't think it's the best choice for Kerry. But certainly the two men have a fair amount of comfort between them and, you know, the Democratic base is going to go with whatever John Kerry chooses.

The comfort may well weigh in Gephardt's favor. But I don't think that the troops are going to jump up and down about that one.

O'BRIEN: Bob Barr?

BARR: Well, the fact of the matter is that the base for either party, the Democrat or the Republican, is going to be pivotal, and it is important to motivate that base.

We've seen that on the Republican side, where elections have been close. We actually lost because our base was not motivated. So I think both parties need to pay very close attention to motivating their base, not that their base would vote for the other party but that they might stay home, and in a close election that would make the difference. You don't want your base to stay home. You want them energized, out working and get them out to vote.

O'BRIEN: Bob Barr and Julianne Malveaux, thank you very much for joining us on a holiday.

BARR: Sure.

O'BRIEN: We appreciate it.

MALVEAUX: Thank you, Miles.

O'BRIEN: All right. We'll see you soon -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Cool space pics, just ahead. Miles takes us on the 60-second tour of Titan. OK, maybe we'll give him a little more than 60 seconds. He never stays within 60 seconds.

And no one could bring down this fortress at sea more than 150 years until now, but this enemy is relentless.

And later, getting away from it all. It's summer vacation time. Can you really resist the temptation to pack your cell phone, the Blackberry, the pager your computer, all that stuff?

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O'BRIEN: Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" appears for another strong weekend at the box office. Final figures aren't in yet. The film has already broken box office records for a documentary.

Sibila Vargas reports the film continues to attract crowds and controversy. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

MICHAEL MOORE, FILMMAKER: I'm stunned by the response to this; absolutely incredible.

SIBILA VARGAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The box office success of "Fahrenheit 9/11" not only shocked the filmmaker himself; it sent ripples across the country, from Hollywood to Washington.

MOORE: Members of Congress, this is Michael Moore.

TOM O'NEIL, SENIOR EDITOR, "IN-TOUCH": People don't like to pay money to see something about politics. And they don't pay money to see documentaries. So the success of this movie is all the more remarkable because of that.

VARGAS: The film's distributor says Michael Moore's scathing documentary about President Bush brought in more money in its opening weekend than any other documentary ever.

From big cities to small towns, the film has become a magnet for the anti-Bush crowd.

Though some conservatives have been reluctant to address the issue, counter efforts have been waged. Organizations hoping to discredit Moore claim he manipulates facts and stretches artistic license.

One group, Citizens United, has filed a claim with the Federal Election Commission, charging the film's TV ads violate campaign laws.

DAVID BOSSIE, PRESIDENT, CITIZENS UNITED: The movie, which I have seen is full start to finish, with -- with lies. It's propaganda.

VARGAS: The filmmaker welcomes the criticism.

MOORE: All attempts by Republicans and right-wingers to prohibit the American public from seeing this film, they have only helped the movie, and they're all getting a Christmas card from me this year.

VARGAS: Sibila Vargas, CNN, Los Angeles.

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PHILLIPS: And we take you live to Athens Greece. Check it out. Here it is. The bus inches a little closer, and the door opens. It's happening here on CNN live as you see it.

Miles is very excited by this split screen, by the way. It's new technology for television in Athens, Greece.

What you are seeing is, of course, the Euro 2004 champs, the Greek soccer team, via a bus here with -- Actually, this looks like a really lot of attractive women. My guess is it's wives and girlfriends in that bus. I don't even see any team members yet. But anyway, they are arriving at the original Olympic stadium, back where the first modern Olympic games were hosted in 1896, to thousands and thousands, we are told, 50,000 plus fans getting ready to greet them as they get off the bus.

There you go. Now we at least can see the coach. We see the trophy. Looks like the prime minister is also up there close to them. But there we go. We got the tight shot.

As you know, the Greek team basically stunned all soccer fans, taking that win during the championship. And now the hope is this excitement over the soccer team being champs, it will get the Greeks excited about the Olympics. They'll sell more ticket. And there you go.

They're having impromptu parties all across Athens, Greece.

And what a perfect time to go from this to sports and talk about another crazy set of fans. We're talking about those Duke University fans. They've got a reason to be going crazy today. Michelle Bonner here.

MICHELLE BONNER, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: They sure do. They're breathing a sigh of relief.

I'll tell you what, Kyra, not the chance to coach Kobe Bryant, one of the game's best, who isn't even in his prime yet, or the opportunity to make as much as $8 million a year. None of that was enough to lure Mike Krzyzewski away from Duke.

Word early this afternoon, Coach K. has turned down the Lakers' offer to be their next head coach. A press conference is scheduled for 5 p.m.

Eastern. Krzyzewski has been the Blue Devils head coach, of course, for 24 years, guiding them to three national championships. He signed a lifetime contract just two years ago, which Duke officials said they were open to modifying it to improve it.

No word on whether they actually did that or not, Kyra, because, obviously Duke was going to do whatever they could to keep this guy for the rest of his coaching life.

PHILLIPS: Someone else that doesn't need, really, a lot of coaching. That's Lance Armstrong. He seems to be doing just fine in the Tour de France.

BONNER: He is. You know, it's very early, only the second stage. But, you know, Lance Armstrong continued to play it safe today in the second stage of the tour, using his wealth of experience and saving himself, of course, for the mountains.

Armstrong finished just back of the pack in his fourth overall, 18 seconds off the lead. And you know, this only being the second stage and saving himself for the mountains. He has two bodyguards who sort of ride along and protect him from stuff like that that you're seeing right now. That was right at the finish line. That surge of speed so that somebody can claim second, you know, first place after the second stage.

Often you see crashes like that occurring, and that's why Lance, you know, the last five years, five-time winner, he knows that, you know, save yourself a little bit. Means, virtually nothing to be in first place after the first or second stage.

PHILLIPS: How do the bodyguards work? Do they -- I mean, they can't keep up with them, can they? Do they go and -- do they have a couple bodyguards every few minutes?

BONNER: Yes. They're going to keep it in stages. And it's sort of they don't do it for the entire race, but they may do it for the last 12 miles. Sort of protecting him from the wind, the elements and protecting him from stuff like this, knowing that when there are certain surges just like this to the finish line when you only have, you know, so many feet left to go. They're sort of protecting him from some of those elements.

PHILLIPS: Interesting. All right. Wimbledon. I'm not going to attempt to say her name. All I know is that Serena got beat.

BONNER: You know, Maria Sharapova, and it's funny because...

PHILLIPS: Sharapova.

BONNER: ... when you were talking about Greece winning the Euro 2004. It got a little blurb in the Russian newspapers. Now the Russians love their soccer.

But it's funny, because with her winning on Saturday and upsetting Serena Williams -- she's only 17 years old -- you know, they're saying "Ave Maria," "Old Russia," the headlines are reading. They're calling her the queen of England.

And you know, they compare this girl to Anna Kournikova.

PHILLIPS: Beautiful.

BONNER: Because she's so beautiful. And yet, this girl can win. This was only her first ever Grand Slam. Miles is definitely agreeing.

PHILLIPS: Miles all of a sudden is paying attention.

BONNER: It was only her first Grand Slam final. And what's interesting about her is that, because she's 17 and she's so young, she's not allowed to complete -- to compete in a full schedule. WTA rules prohibit her...

O'BRIEN: Past her bedtime?

PHILLIPS: Now, you see someone like Serena, OK, her big guns, and she's so powerful and strong. And then you see this -- she's not necessarily -- she's kind of dainty, I guess you could say. I mean, what is it about her that -- that...

BONNER: Isn't that remarkable?

PHILLIPS: Yes. How -- What is it about her that enabled her to beat Serena? What was it?

BONNER: You know what? She's incredibly strong. She may look very dainty, but she's incredibly strong.

And I think actually what probably helped her win was she didn't let her nerves beat her, and she also -- she stayed incredibly poised. I mean, Serena is very intimidating. She didn't let that -- as soon as this match started, this girl did not let anything that Serena did intimidate her whatsoever. And I think that essentially that is probably what helped her more than anything.

But, you know, she won this. She beat Serena. This wasn't just a fluke. Because you saw Serena shortly before that just hammer Jennifer Capriati in, what, 43, 45 minutes, 6-1, 6-1. She only lost two games. So we knew Serena's form was fantastic.

PHILLIPS: We'll be watching this gal, won't we?

O'BRIEN: Remember that name, Sharapova.

BONNER: Sharapova.

O'BRIEN: Sharapova. All right.

BONNER: We know Miles will. Absolutely.

O'BRIEN: Been to any weddings this summer, Kyra?

PHILLIPS: Not yet, no. I've got some coming up in September.

O'BRIEN: I'm at the funeral stage now. I'm getting older.

PHILLIPS: Oh!

O'BRIEN: Meet a couple taking matters into their own hands.

PHILLIPS: Then, vacation unplugged. Can you really get away from the office pager, the cell phone, the laptop, the...?

O'BRIEN: Why would you want to?

PHILLIPS: The chains -- the chains...

O'BRIEN: Not at all.

PHILLIPS: ... that keep us bonded to our jobs, our spouses, our kids.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) O'BRIEN: And now the moment Kyra has been waiting for, yet another "Saturn Minute."

Kyra, when last we left Saturn, we were talking about the noise that Cassini made as it sort of entered into the magnetic sphere of Saturn. We call it a bow shock. Now if you'll imagine for just a moment -- put Kyra on here. She's -- Imagine, if you will...

PHILLIPS: Why do you torture me like this?

O'BRIEN: ... tiny, cosmological bugs hitting the windshield of Cassini as it went in, little piece of plasma as it comes in. Ever wonder what that would sound like?

PHILLIPS: Probably here we go. Another bio shock (ph).

O'BRIEN: Listen up. Listen up.

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O'BRIEN: "At Pearl Harbor" -- you know, it's one of those things.

PHILLIPS: That's the way it is.

O'BRIEN: It may sound like static, but that's little plasma hitting it. And scientists get all excited about such things.

All right. Let's go to the -- no pictures.

PHILLIPS: And you.

O'BRIEN: And show you what's going on as Cassini starts paying a little bit of attention to the moon Titan, which Kyra knows is -- what do you know about Titan?

PHILLIPS: I'm -- was I supposed to be paying attention?

O'BRIEN: What do you know about Titan?

PHILLIPS: It's the farthest from the second biggest satellite. I'm trying to remember.

O'BRIEN: All right. That's a methane cloud.

PHILLIPS: Thank you.

O'BRIEN: All the stuff that's green there is carbon material. Do you know what we're made of? Carbon.

PHILLIPS: Hot air.

O'BRIEN: Carbon is a good thing.

All right. That's just one minute, but we're going into bonus time now, aren't we, as we started the clock.

Take a look at some of these pictures of the clouds. Scientists actually thought they would see more, Kyra, but they're not. This is that methane cloud again. And this is -- well, it might as well be L.A. Smog.

PHILLIPS: You have to stop dissing L.A., by the way. The bureau chief called.

O'BRIEN: Did they really?

PHILLIPS: Yes.

O'BRIEN: Next one.

PHILLIPS: Sorry, Pete.

O'BRIEN: Take a look at these kind of -- they call these linear features here. You know what that means?

PHILLIPS: Looks like frozen HUD video.

O'BRIEN: Could be. You're such a fighter person.

Anyway, that could be activity, geologic activity, maybe volcanoes.

And there's a shot of Titan from a distance, obviously. This was as Cassini approached.

Let's take one look at some animation. I want to show you very quickly. Come January -- I know you've got it on your Palm Pilot already. Here's the methane cloud.

But come January, they're going to drop a probe. Cassini will release a giant wok. There it is. There goes the wok on its way toward Titan. It's going to enter into the atmosphere, one and a half times thicker than ours here on Earth. Heads down to the surface and will beam back to the mother ship some information about this mysterious planet, which could very well have the same ingredients of an early Earth before life took hold.

PHILLIPS: Cool stuff. I'll admit to it.

O'BRIEN: Thank you for saying so.

PHILLIPS: It is very cool.

O'BRIEN: At least playing along.

PHILLIPS: All right. Listen to this.

A Seattle couple tried something different to help pay for their upcoming wedding. We should have thought of this, after all the money we spent. A car was. There you go.

The entire wedding party grabbed sponges, buckets to help raise money for the event. And here's what the bride and groom had to say.

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ED LURAGHI, ENGAGED: Last year we had a -- nine of my friends got married last year, so they're all very acquainted with how much it costs.

ANDREA WHITTAKER, ENGAGED: The cost of a wedding.

LURAGHI: So they're just wanting to just bless us and give us a good way out. So this is a good creative way to get people out here to support us.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PHILLIPS: The groom says that -- I guess they made just under $400 during the five-hour event. That will buy, what a bouquet?

O'BRIEN: Half a cake? Good luck.

PHILLIPS: Yes.

O'BRIEN: Good luck. I -- I wish you well. Just elope, get it over with.

Sometimes you just need to get away from it all. But in this age of cell phones, beepers and wireless computers, is it even possible to be out of touch?

CNN's Maggie Lake looks at the need for a technology free vacation.

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MAGGIE LAKE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Feel the need to escape the daily grind? You're not alone. Travel bookings across the United States are on the rise.

The Travel Industry Association of America said this summer will be the biggest one-year jump in leisure travel in the last four years.

(on camera) But getting away isn't easy. Whether you're in a coffee shop, at the airport, or at the beach, wireless technologies made it possible to log on and call in from almost anywhere.

(voice-over) And employers know that. Managers have come to rely on instant access as a way of squeezing more work out of a tight labor pool.

GIL GORDON, AUTHOR, "TURN IT OFF": I think the employers are demanding it in many cases as an after effect of all the downsizing. You know, there's less bench strength. There are fewer people to cover for those who are on vacation. So in some cases, it's perceived by the employer as a business necessity.

LAKE: A business tool for some, for others being wired has turned into an addiction.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My cell phone I use the second I leave the office until the time I go to bed, probably.

LAKE: Psychologists warn the tech overload can make workers burnt out and less productive. Therapists like Susan Battley say it's important to unplug when you go on vacation. If you do have to take your laptop or cell phone, set ground rules.

SUSAN BATTLEY, INDUSTRIAL PSYCHOLOGIST: If you do need to leave your contact information, then leave it with a reliable person, someone who will be a gatekeeper and only contact you if the situation is urgent.

If you do need to touch base with the office, try to arrange a fixed time so that it is convenient for you.

LAKE: Allowing time to decompress, whether it be a nap on the beach, a European vacation, or a picnic in the park, will revitalize you and help you cope with life's hectic pace.

Maggie Lake, CNN, New York.

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O'BRIEN: Well you know video games often get blamed for making kids too sedentary. I happen to know that Murray O'Brien (ph) right now is playing a video game, and some days it's a little too much.

But this is one -- maybe this is one we've got to get in the household. Look, Ma, I got happy feet, I guess. He actually lost weight while playing the game by doing this thing.

PHILLIPS: And keep out. The fortress practically in the middle of nowhere now getting a second lease on life.

O'BRIEN: And at the top of the hour, Iraqi oil under attack. We'll have the latest for you from Baghdad.

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PHILLIPS: Welcome back to LIVE FROM. I'm Kyra Phillips.

O'BRIEN: And I'm Miles O'Brien. Here's what's happening at this hour.

Iraqi police in Fallujah say U.S. planes bombed a home there, killing eight people, including three children. So far, the U.S. military not commenting on the strike. The U.S. has been targeting building it says are...

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