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THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: Stories in the news now. First, the Middle East. Palestinian sources say Israeli missiles killed three members of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade today in Jenin. The group says that it's behind several terror attacks in Israel. No comment so far from the Israel military.
Should antidepressants given to kids carry strong warnings about a risk of suicide? That's what federal health advisers are considering. The panel is looking over independent analysis of drug data gathered by the manufacturers. Among the witnesses, an FDA doctor, preventing -- or prevented, rather, from testifying last February.

BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: Ivan's fury is now directed at western Cuba, where it's turning offshore as a category-five storm, the most dangerous kind. The outer bands of Ivan already are dumping heavy rains in Cuba. Forecasters say the worst of the storm may skirt Cuba, heading into the Gulf of Mexico, possibly toward the Florida Panhandle.

Now, tracking the course of a monster hurricane can be a matter of life and death, but weather experts say there's no substitute for observing the storm eye to eye.

CNN's Jason Bellini spent 12 hours with the crew of hurricane hunters over the Gulf of Mexico.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JASON BELLINI, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's about quarter to 6:00 a.m. And we're about to get on board the Hurricane Hunter plane.

(voice-over): This is the start of a 12 hour flight. The Vietnam era C-130 is souped up with extra fuel tanks. As we head to the hurricane, another hurricane hunter is on its way home.

The testing of pressure, humidity and wind is now around the clock operation. The trip across the Gulf of Mexico to the center of the storm is getting shorter.

(on camera): We just flew over Cuban air space. And while we were over Cuba, we were able to look down and see the island, but we were told we had to turn off our camera.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The big sensitivity is that their military bases - they don't want us to act like a reconnaissance flight that we're flying over, and journalists taking pictures of their military bases is really what it all boils down to.

BELLINI: A shout to buckle up is given, as we get closer to Ivan's eye. Once inside, we have about two minutes to take a look.

(on camera): What they're telling us front is that even though we're not really seeing a clear eye right now, people shouldn't really take comfort in that because the eye is reforming. The eye has blinked, if you will.

When I told my mom I was doing this, I told her, don't worry it's not a big deal. Did I lie to her?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that what you did? No, it's not a big deal. I mean, it is a big deal in the sense that we're flying into one of the - one of nature's biggest storms, you know. But at the same time, the way we fly into these storms and we respect them.

BELLINI: How do you respect a storm when you poke it in the eye?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's - we just keep poking it until it - we find out where it's going and what it's going to do.

BELLINI: Up here where you feel the storm, people do better than Ivan the Terrible.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ivan the Terrible.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ivan the mysterious.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ivan, we're watching closely. He has potential to be terrible.

BELLINI: You don't have to be a metaphorologist to know Ivan is a troublemaker.

Jason Bellini, CNN, somewhere over the Gulf of Mexico.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PHILLIPS: President Bush in the Midwest right now, live pictures out of Holland, Michigan. He's focusing on health care, as he takes a bus trip through Michigan, trying to rally up votes.

Earlier today, he was in Muskegon. Now he'll be moving on to Colorado this evening after he leaves Holland, Michigan.

Well, John Kerry is blasting President Bush for failing to pressure Congress to extend the assault weapons ban. Kerry spoke at an anti-crime event in Washington. The senator says the ban helps to explain a big drop in violent crime in the '90s, but he claims violent crime is on the rise under President Bush.

The race for the White House is just one of the major political stories we're following for you. With election day less than two months away, CNN expands "INSIDE POLITICS WITH JUDY WOODRUFF." Judy goes an extra half hour, 90 minutes every weekday, right up until elections, starting today at 3:00 eastern.

Other news across America now, In California, a search team will attempt to recover the body of a firefighter killed fighting a fire. The firefighter He was part of a crew dropped by helicopter yesterday into a remote area of Yosemite National Park. Six other members of the seasonal crew survived with moderate to minor burns.

Zookeepers in Cincinnati, Ohio helped police search the home of a woman who died after being bitten by a venomous pet snake. In addition to more than a dozen reptiles, they found nine poisonous snaked, including a pit viper that they believe bit 44-year-old Alexandria (ph) Hall.

Now in California, the judge in the Michael Jackson molestation case will not hold hearings on claims that a former police investigator is violating a gag order. Jackson's attorneys have hinted the former sheriff, Jim Thomas, may be making statements about matters under seal in the current case. Thomas helped investigate child molestation charges against Jackson 10 years ago.

NGUYEN: Testimony in the Scott Peterson murder trial is expected to turn to high technology today. An expert on GPS, or global positioning satellite technology, is expected to take the witness stand. Investigators used a GPS device to track Scott Peterson in the days following his wife's disappearance.

CNN's Ted Rowlands is live in Redwood City, California with a preview.

Hi there, Ted.

TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Betty.

And that testimony has begun. The jurors are getting a GPS lesson at this hour here, and they are listening to an expert talk about how the science works. The prosecution wants to introduce this evidence, because it shows where Scott Peterson went in the days weeks after his wife went missing, specifically they want to introduce more trips to the Berkeley Marina, that they think are suspicious, and they're hoping that the jury will think they're suspicious as well, the fact that Peterson traveled to the marina on several occasions in the weeks following his wife's disappearance, even though he had never been there supposedly before his first fishing trip on the 24th, the day she disappeared.

Meanwhile, an argument, or a battle actually, that started last week, continues to be some sort of a subplot here in Redwood City between the two families, the Petersons and the Rochas. This morning, Scott Peterson's mother and father were brought into the courthouse with a sheriff deputy at each side of them, escorting them into the courthouse, because the court is concerned about interactions between the two families.

Last week, on Thursday, Lee Peterson, Scott Peterson's father, exchanged words with Brent Rocha, Laci Peterson's brother, in front of the metal detectors. This came a day before, or a day after, Lee Peterson exchanged words at the top of an escalator inside the courthouse with Ron Grantski, Laci Peterson's stepfather. The judge became aware of this, and also according to a source close to the court, was aware of some inappropriate actions going on inside the courtroom. He ruled that the families be moved back in the courtroom, and that they not talk to each other on their way in.

This morning, the Petersons were actually seated in the back of the courtroom for a while, until apparently there was a change of heart by the judge. They were moved back to their front row seats. The Rochas did not show up to court today -- Betty.

NGUYEN: Very testy there. Ted Rowlands in Redwood City, California. Thank you.

Still to come here on CNN's LIVE FROM, Batman's suit is starting to look loose. We'll tell you why the Caped Crusader was wearing a fanny pack on a Buckingham Palace balcony. And don't throw this little guy -- there he is -- a bone. Give him a board instead. Meet one of the newest competitors hitting the waves.

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NGUYEN: A security breach at Buckingham Palace today. Check it out. A man dressed as Batman climbed on to a palace balcony and staged a lively protest.

CNN Paula Hancocks is live in London with the latest on this. Kind of crazy there. Paula, can you hear us?

PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Betty, yes, I can. Hello.

Well, yes, there is a 33-year-old Batman on Buckingham Palace at the moment. He's been there for round about four-and-a-half hours. A huge breach of security at Buckingham Palace.

Batman and his accomplice -- if you can call him that -- Robin actually scaled a wall by Buckingham Palace, they say a four-foot wall, using a ladder and then scaled Buckingham Palace itself. Getting up to that balcony, which is very famous for where the royal family stands when there are marriages and when there are state affairs.

Now, Batman has said that he wants to speak to the Queen. This is part of his group, Fathers 4 Justice, they say they've been badly treated by the British courts in the past in gaining custody or even access to their children. One of a very high-profile string of stunts that they have been performing quite recently.

They have said that they wanted to talk to the Queen. The Queen is on holiday, though, at Balmoral in Scotland. So, he's now said that he wants to speak either to Prince Andrew or to Prince Charles.

Now, police negotiators are trying to talk to him at the moment from the balcony. They're giving him water. There's a cherry picker below with a negotiator trying to talk with him. He's 25 feet up on Buckingham Palace, so there are mats below as well for safety. So, he's been there almost five hours, and according to some of his colleagues, he could be there for a few days. He's in no rush to get down at all.

NGUYEN: Paula, tell us a little bit about this group, Fathers 4 justice. They've staged other events like this, haven't they?

HANCOCKS: They've staged some extremely high-profile stunts in the past. Just last Saturday, they had the London Eye under siege, if you like. The London Eye is one of the main tourist attractions here in London. It's a giant ferris wheel from which you can see the whole of London.

Now, one man who decided to dress up as Spider-Man scaled the London Eye 450 feet up, and he stayed there for 18 hours. We also had, back in May in the House of Commons in Parliament, there were two of the group from the Fathers 4 Justice, actually through some purple- flour-filled condoms at the British Prime Minister Tony Blair -- a huge breach of security there. And then also, last year, we had one who scaled the Tower Bridge. He stayed up there for about six days -- Betty.

NGUYEN: Spider-Man, now Batman -- I'm seeing a theme here. Paula Hancocks, thank you, live from London -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Well, this is the second security breach of Buckingham Palace in four months. The royal family is currently away on holiday in Scotland, but one British security and terrorism expert calls today's breach almost inexcusable, given the prominence and importance of the royal family.

Joining me now to talk about this latest high-profile security breach, CNN's Mike Brooks. I mean, you can't help but laugh at the Batman costume. And you wonder why he doesn't have custody of his kid, but that's a whole other story.

How does he get into Buckingham Palace?

MIKE BROOKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: There's very, very tight security there. I've been there since the war started -- since the Iraq war started, they've even increased security there. But it's extremely tight.

There's a lot you don't see. There's police on the outside of the fence there and the walls, but there are a lot on the inside. A lot that you don't see -- cameras, those kinds of things.

How this guy ever got in and got all of the way up there, had the time to spread this banner out there and get on to this ledge, I have no idea.

PHILLIPS: All right. So, now he's on the ledge. Let's talk about what's going on. We see guys actually on both sides kind of coming back and forth, trying to negotiate with him, obviously. Now, he's got a fanny pack around him, so they have to be concerned possibly there might be a weapon in there, right?

BROOKS: As a former negotiator, I can tell you there's always a concern of that. You don't know. This group in the past, they've been more of a nuisance than anything else. They have not done any really violent acts, except for just being a nuisance.

But you -- they have to take that into consideration. The negotiators are there trying to talk him down from right alongside of him. We've heard from the report he's asking to speak to some members of the royal family. Whether that will happen or not, we seriously doubt it.

But you know, can this thing happen other places? We've had breaches of security at the White House over the years.

PHILLIPS: Well, in '94, right, there were a couple of things that happened back in '94.

BROOKS: Right. And you had a man by the name of Frank Corder crash a Cessna plane into the south ground. Actually, it impacted the wall. Came down, hit right by the jogging track, broke the two wings off, and he impacted up against the wall of the White House.

The Clintons were not in the house at the time. They were staying across the street at the Blair House, because it was undergoing some renovations. But you know, this was a big concern.

In fact, there was a Jumbotron for a ceremony that next day on the south grounds, so he actually took over from up in Mount Airy, Maryland, near Baltimore, came all the way around the Beltway, followed Connecticut Avenue down, made his final approach, if you will, around the Washington Monument, and then impacted into the White House itself.

PHILLIPS: And then there's -- that same year, someone else landed a helicopter, right?

BROOKS: No, that was back in the '80s.

That was back -- right. But also that same year, you had a man shot on the southeast grounds of the White House. In the evening, he came over the fence. A member of the United States Secret Service Uniformed Division Emergency Response Team shot and wounded him.

Also, right in that same timeframe, you had Duran shoot up the front of the White House. He came with a weapon right in broad daylight in front of tourists. He walked up and down in front of the White House, and some of those rounds actually impacted the front of the White House.

PHILLIPS: So, you wonder -- it's sort of like Buckingham Palace, too. There's just a gate that kind of -- and there's not much distance between the gate and, you know, the main place...

BROOKS: No, there's...

PHILLIPS: ... White House and then here at Buckingham Palace. Why not change that?

BROOKS: Right. Well, there's not much standoff at all. They're attempting to do that now with the White House. We saw traffic cut off in front of the White House on Pennsylvania Avenue a number of years ago, and now they are restricting -- going to restrict some of the pedestrian traffic in front of the White House so something like that will not happen again.

Again, a nightmare for the U.S. Secret Service. And here in England, an embarrassment -- embarrassment for the security forces there at Buckingham Palace.

PHILLIPS: This guy that we're looking at, Batman -- a.k.a., his name is Jason Hatch, 33. I guess he's pulled stunts like this before. Was he involved in that powder incident in Parliament not too long ago?

BROOKS: It's unknown if he was. There were some other members.

PHILLIPS: The group was.

BROOKS: The group was. They took some condom-filled -- some condoms filled with powder, and we saw the video of that -- as Tony Blair was speaking on the floor of Parliament and threw it and it went past him. That, again, another embarrassment.

How they were able to get those condom-filled -- the powder- filled condoms past security is unknown.

I know at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C. -- U.S. Capitol Police -- as we see the powder go past him in that picture, .

But the U.S. Capitol Police, they go through your bags with a fine-toothed comb on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C. And you know, because there's -- everybody was concerned, oh, is it anthrax? Whenever we hear about a powder now.

PHILLIPS: Oh, these guys are always getting creative. They're always looking for a new way to get attention.

BROOKS: They are, especially groups that are a nuisance. We have a lot of groups here in the United States that have done the same kinds of things over the years. We saw it during the Republican National Convention, people climbing up on the Plaza Hotel, throwing a banner over that. A police officer was seriously injured while trying to get those people off.

Now, will they let this guy stay up on this balcony for much longer? I think they'll attempt to negotiate, try to keep it low- profile, low-key, because it doesn't look good if you take the cherry- picker up there with a couple of police officers and try to attempt to move him -- remove him from that physically. They'll try to negotiate.

And since she's not there -- since the Queen is not there and she's at Balmoral at her other residence... PHILLIPS: Get more time to...

BROOKS: It has more time, and he's really not hurting anything. But a big embarrassment to the Brits.

PHILLIPS: All right. Keep an eye on Batman for us, all right?

BROOKS: We will, thanks.

PHILLIPS: OK, thanks, Mike Brooks.

All right. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be back right after this.

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NGUYEN: Now that's an action. The undead ruled the weekend box office. "Resident Evil Apocalypse," about a group of zombie attackers, opened at No. 1, bringing in almost $24 million. Overall, though, it's been a slow weekend at the movies. "Cellular" starring Kim Basinger, opening in the No. 2 spot with $10 million. It's followed by "Without a Paddle," "Hero," and "Princess Diaries 2."

And rounding out the top 10, "Anacondas, The Hunt for the Blood Orchid," "Vanity Fair," "Collateral," "Napoleon Dynamite," Kyra's favorite, and "Paparazzi" -- Phillips.

PHILLIPS: "Napoleon Dynamite," OK, I haven't even heard of it. You'll have to brief me.

Well, if you think you're dog walks on water, check this out, Zoe, a Jack Russell terrier, is the coolest canine to hit the waves in Southern California. So he made an appearance in a surfing fund- raiser, and it wasn't her first time on the water, though. Zoe's owner says she's been surfing since she was a pup.

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NGUYEN: It's catwalk part two coming up in our second hour of LIVE FROM. We'll take a look at the latest styles from high-end fashion designer Oscar De La Renta, and beauty expert Anna Sui. Stay with us, as LIVE FROM's hour of power rolls on with New York's Fashion Week.

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Aired September 13, 2004 - 13:31   ET
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KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: Stories in the news now. First, the Middle East. Palestinian sources say Israeli missiles killed three members of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade today in Jenin. The group says that it's behind several terror attacks in Israel. No comment so far from the Israel military.
Should antidepressants given to kids carry strong warnings about a risk of suicide? That's what federal health advisers are considering. The panel is looking over independent analysis of drug data gathered by the manufacturers. Among the witnesses, an FDA doctor, preventing -- or prevented, rather, from testifying last February.

BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: Ivan's fury is now directed at western Cuba, where it's turning offshore as a category-five storm, the most dangerous kind. The outer bands of Ivan already are dumping heavy rains in Cuba. Forecasters say the worst of the storm may skirt Cuba, heading into the Gulf of Mexico, possibly toward the Florida Panhandle.

Now, tracking the course of a monster hurricane can be a matter of life and death, but weather experts say there's no substitute for observing the storm eye to eye.

CNN's Jason Bellini spent 12 hours with the crew of hurricane hunters over the Gulf of Mexico.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JASON BELLINI, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's about quarter to 6:00 a.m. And we're about to get on board the Hurricane Hunter plane.

(voice-over): This is the start of a 12 hour flight. The Vietnam era C-130 is souped up with extra fuel tanks. As we head to the hurricane, another hurricane hunter is on its way home.

The testing of pressure, humidity and wind is now around the clock operation. The trip across the Gulf of Mexico to the center of the storm is getting shorter.

(on camera): We just flew over Cuban air space. And while we were over Cuba, we were able to look down and see the island, but we were told we had to turn off our camera.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The big sensitivity is that their military bases - they don't want us to act like a reconnaissance flight that we're flying over, and journalists taking pictures of their military bases is really what it all boils down to.

BELLINI: A shout to buckle up is given, as we get closer to Ivan's eye. Once inside, we have about two minutes to take a look.

(on camera): What they're telling us front is that even though we're not really seeing a clear eye right now, people shouldn't really take comfort in that because the eye is reforming. The eye has blinked, if you will.

When I told my mom I was doing this, I told her, don't worry it's not a big deal. Did I lie to her?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that what you did? No, it's not a big deal. I mean, it is a big deal in the sense that we're flying into one of the - one of nature's biggest storms, you know. But at the same time, the way we fly into these storms and we respect them.

BELLINI: How do you respect a storm when you poke it in the eye?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's - we just keep poking it until it - we find out where it's going and what it's going to do.

BELLINI: Up here where you feel the storm, people do better than Ivan the Terrible.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ivan the Terrible.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ivan the mysterious.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ivan, we're watching closely. He has potential to be terrible.

BELLINI: You don't have to be a metaphorologist to know Ivan is a troublemaker.

Jason Bellini, CNN, somewhere over the Gulf of Mexico.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PHILLIPS: President Bush in the Midwest right now, live pictures out of Holland, Michigan. He's focusing on health care, as he takes a bus trip through Michigan, trying to rally up votes.

Earlier today, he was in Muskegon. Now he'll be moving on to Colorado this evening after he leaves Holland, Michigan.

Well, John Kerry is blasting President Bush for failing to pressure Congress to extend the assault weapons ban. Kerry spoke at an anti-crime event in Washington. The senator says the ban helps to explain a big drop in violent crime in the '90s, but he claims violent crime is on the rise under President Bush.

The race for the White House is just one of the major political stories we're following for you. With election day less than two months away, CNN expands "INSIDE POLITICS WITH JUDY WOODRUFF." Judy goes an extra half hour, 90 minutes every weekday, right up until elections, starting today at 3:00 eastern.

Other news across America now, In California, a search team will attempt to recover the body of a firefighter killed fighting a fire. The firefighter He was part of a crew dropped by helicopter yesterday into a remote area of Yosemite National Park. Six other members of the seasonal crew survived with moderate to minor burns.

Zookeepers in Cincinnati, Ohio helped police search the home of a woman who died after being bitten by a venomous pet snake. In addition to more than a dozen reptiles, they found nine poisonous snaked, including a pit viper that they believe bit 44-year-old Alexandria (ph) Hall.

Now in California, the judge in the Michael Jackson molestation case will not hold hearings on claims that a former police investigator is violating a gag order. Jackson's attorneys have hinted the former sheriff, Jim Thomas, may be making statements about matters under seal in the current case. Thomas helped investigate child molestation charges against Jackson 10 years ago.

NGUYEN: Testimony in the Scott Peterson murder trial is expected to turn to high technology today. An expert on GPS, or global positioning satellite technology, is expected to take the witness stand. Investigators used a GPS device to track Scott Peterson in the days following his wife's disappearance.

CNN's Ted Rowlands is live in Redwood City, California with a preview.

Hi there, Ted.

TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Betty.

And that testimony has begun. The jurors are getting a GPS lesson at this hour here, and they are listening to an expert talk about how the science works. The prosecution wants to introduce this evidence, because it shows where Scott Peterson went in the days weeks after his wife went missing, specifically they want to introduce more trips to the Berkeley Marina, that they think are suspicious, and they're hoping that the jury will think they're suspicious as well, the fact that Peterson traveled to the marina on several occasions in the weeks following his wife's disappearance, even though he had never been there supposedly before his first fishing trip on the 24th, the day she disappeared.

Meanwhile, an argument, or a battle actually, that started last week, continues to be some sort of a subplot here in Redwood City between the two families, the Petersons and the Rochas. This morning, Scott Peterson's mother and father were brought into the courthouse with a sheriff deputy at each side of them, escorting them into the courthouse, because the court is concerned about interactions between the two families.

Last week, on Thursday, Lee Peterson, Scott Peterson's father, exchanged words with Brent Rocha, Laci Peterson's brother, in front of the metal detectors. This came a day before, or a day after, Lee Peterson exchanged words at the top of an escalator inside the courthouse with Ron Grantski, Laci Peterson's stepfather. The judge became aware of this, and also according to a source close to the court, was aware of some inappropriate actions going on inside the courtroom. He ruled that the families be moved back in the courtroom, and that they not talk to each other on their way in.

This morning, the Petersons were actually seated in the back of the courtroom for a while, until apparently there was a change of heart by the judge. They were moved back to their front row seats. The Rochas did not show up to court today -- Betty.

NGUYEN: Very testy there. Ted Rowlands in Redwood City, California. Thank you.

Still to come here on CNN's LIVE FROM, Batman's suit is starting to look loose. We'll tell you why the Caped Crusader was wearing a fanny pack on a Buckingham Palace balcony. And don't throw this little guy -- there he is -- a bone. Give him a board instead. Meet one of the newest competitors hitting the waves.

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NGUYEN: A security breach at Buckingham Palace today. Check it out. A man dressed as Batman climbed on to a palace balcony and staged a lively protest.

CNN Paula Hancocks is live in London with the latest on this. Kind of crazy there. Paula, can you hear us?

PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Betty, yes, I can. Hello.

Well, yes, there is a 33-year-old Batman on Buckingham Palace at the moment. He's been there for round about four-and-a-half hours. A huge breach of security at Buckingham Palace.

Batman and his accomplice -- if you can call him that -- Robin actually scaled a wall by Buckingham Palace, they say a four-foot wall, using a ladder and then scaled Buckingham Palace itself. Getting up to that balcony, which is very famous for where the royal family stands when there are marriages and when there are state affairs.

Now, Batman has said that he wants to speak to the Queen. This is part of his group, Fathers 4 Justice, they say they've been badly treated by the British courts in the past in gaining custody or even access to their children. One of a very high-profile string of stunts that they have been performing quite recently.

They have said that they wanted to talk to the Queen. The Queen is on holiday, though, at Balmoral in Scotland. So, he's now said that he wants to speak either to Prince Andrew or to Prince Charles.

Now, police negotiators are trying to talk to him at the moment from the balcony. They're giving him water. There's a cherry picker below with a negotiator trying to talk with him. He's 25 feet up on Buckingham Palace, so there are mats below as well for safety. So, he's been there almost five hours, and according to some of his colleagues, he could be there for a few days. He's in no rush to get down at all.

NGUYEN: Paula, tell us a little bit about this group, Fathers 4 justice. They've staged other events like this, haven't they?

HANCOCKS: They've staged some extremely high-profile stunts in the past. Just last Saturday, they had the London Eye under siege, if you like. The London Eye is one of the main tourist attractions here in London. It's a giant ferris wheel from which you can see the whole of London.

Now, one man who decided to dress up as Spider-Man scaled the London Eye 450 feet up, and he stayed there for 18 hours. We also had, back in May in the House of Commons in Parliament, there were two of the group from the Fathers 4 Justice, actually through some purple- flour-filled condoms at the British Prime Minister Tony Blair -- a huge breach of security there. And then also, last year, we had one who scaled the Tower Bridge. He stayed up there for about six days -- Betty.

NGUYEN: Spider-Man, now Batman -- I'm seeing a theme here. Paula Hancocks, thank you, live from London -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Well, this is the second security breach of Buckingham Palace in four months. The royal family is currently away on holiday in Scotland, but one British security and terrorism expert calls today's breach almost inexcusable, given the prominence and importance of the royal family.

Joining me now to talk about this latest high-profile security breach, CNN's Mike Brooks. I mean, you can't help but laugh at the Batman costume. And you wonder why he doesn't have custody of his kid, but that's a whole other story.

How does he get into Buckingham Palace?

MIKE BROOKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: There's very, very tight security there. I've been there since the war started -- since the Iraq war started, they've even increased security there. But it's extremely tight.

There's a lot you don't see. There's police on the outside of the fence there and the walls, but there are a lot on the inside. A lot that you don't see -- cameras, those kinds of things.

How this guy ever got in and got all of the way up there, had the time to spread this banner out there and get on to this ledge, I have no idea.

PHILLIPS: All right. So, now he's on the ledge. Let's talk about what's going on. We see guys actually on both sides kind of coming back and forth, trying to negotiate with him, obviously. Now, he's got a fanny pack around him, so they have to be concerned possibly there might be a weapon in there, right?

BROOKS: As a former negotiator, I can tell you there's always a concern of that. You don't know. This group in the past, they've been more of a nuisance than anything else. They have not done any really violent acts, except for just being a nuisance.

But you -- they have to take that into consideration. The negotiators are there trying to talk him down from right alongside of him. We've heard from the report he's asking to speak to some members of the royal family. Whether that will happen or not, we seriously doubt it.

But you know, can this thing happen other places? We've had breaches of security at the White House over the years.

PHILLIPS: Well, in '94, right, there were a couple of things that happened back in '94.

BROOKS: Right. And you had a man by the name of Frank Corder crash a Cessna plane into the south ground. Actually, it impacted the wall. Came down, hit right by the jogging track, broke the two wings off, and he impacted up against the wall of the White House.

The Clintons were not in the house at the time. They were staying across the street at the Blair House, because it was undergoing some renovations. But you know, this was a big concern.

In fact, there was a Jumbotron for a ceremony that next day on the south grounds, so he actually took over from up in Mount Airy, Maryland, near Baltimore, came all the way around the Beltway, followed Connecticut Avenue down, made his final approach, if you will, around the Washington Monument, and then impacted into the White House itself.

PHILLIPS: And then there's -- that same year, someone else landed a helicopter, right?

BROOKS: No, that was back in the '80s.

That was back -- right. But also that same year, you had a man shot on the southeast grounds of the White House. In the evening, he came over the fence. A member of the United States Secret Service Uniformed Division Emergency Response Team shot and wounded him.

Also, right in that same timeframe, you had Duran shoot up the front of the White House. He came with a weapon right in broad daylight in front of tourists. He walked up and down in front of the White House, and some of those rounds actually impacted the front of the White House.

PHILLIPS: So, you wonder -- it's sort of like Buckingham Palace, too. There's just a gate that kind of -- and there's not much distance between the gate and, you know, the main place...

BROOKS: No, there's...

PHILLIPS: ... White House and then here at Buckingham Palace. Why not change that?

BROOKS: Right. Well, there's not much standoff at all. They're attempting to do that now with the White House. We saw traffic cut off in front of the White House on Pennsylvania Avenue a number of years ago, and now they are restricting -- going to restrict some of the pedestrian traffic in front of the White House so something like that will not happen again.

Again, a nightmare for the U.S. Secret Service. And here in England, an embarrassment -- embarrassment for the security forces there at Buckingham Palace.

PHILLIPS: This guy that we're looking at, Batman -- a.k.a., his name is Jason Hatch, 33. I guess he's pulled stunts like this before. Was he involved in that powder incident in Parliament not too long ago?

BROOKS: It's unknown if he was. There were some other members.

PHILLIPS: The group was.

BROOKS: The group was. They took some condom-filled -- some condoms filled with powder, and we saw the video of that -- as Tony Blair was speaking on the floor of Parliament and threw it and it went past him. That, again, another embarrassment.

How they were able to get those condom-filled -- the powder- filled condoms past security is unknown.

I know at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C. -- U.S. Capitol Police -- as we see the powder go past him in that picture, .

But the U.S. Capitol Police, they go through your bags with a fine-toothed comb on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C. And you know, because there's -- everybody was concerned, oh, is it anthrax? Whenever we hear about a powder now.

PHILLIPS: Oh, these guys are always getting creative. They're always looking for a new way to get attention.

BROOKS: They are, especially groups that are a nuisance. We have a lot of groups here in the United States that have done the same kinds of things over the years. We saw it during the Republican National Convention, people climbing up on the Plaza Hotel, throwing a banner over that. A police officer was seriously injured while trying to get those people off.

Now, will they let this guy stay up on this balcony for much longer? I think they'll attempt to negotiate, try to keep it low- profile, low-key, because it doesn't look good if you take the cherry- picker up there with a couple of police officers and try to attempt to move him -- remove him from that physically. They'll try to negotiate.

And since she's not there -- since the Queen is not there and she's at Balmoral at her other residence... PHILLIPS: Get more time to...

BROOKS: It has more time, and he's really not hurting anything. But a big embarrassment to the Brits.

PHILLIPS: All right. Keep an eye on Batman for us, all right?

BROOKS: We will, thanks.

PHILLIPS: OK, thanks, Mike Brooks.

All right. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be back right after this.

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NGUYEN: Now that's an action. The undead ruled the weekend box office. "Resident Evil Apocalypse," about a group of zombie attackers, opened at No. 1, bringing in almost $24 million. Overall, though, it's been a slow weekend at the movies. "Cellular" starring Kim Basinger, opening in the No. 2 spot with $10 million. It's followed by "Without a Paddle," "Hero," and "Princess Diaries 2."

And rounding out the top 10, "Anacondas, The Hunt for the Blood Orchid," "Vanity Fair," "Collateral," "Napoleon Dynamite," Kyra's favorite, and "Paparazzi" -- Phillips.

PHILLIPS: "Napoleon Dynamite," OK, I haven't even heard of it. You'll have to brief me.

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