Return to Transcripts main page
Live From...
Important Senate and House Races; Winning and Losing on Election Day; Daschle Says GOP Supporters of Opponent Trying to Intimidate Native Americans in South Dakota.
Aired November 02, 2004 - 14:34 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: All right. We hate to do it, but we're going to talk about that dreaded "R" word. Ahead, we're going to look at the scenarios that could trigger a recount.
And for American voters lining up early and turning out in record numbers -- that's good news -- why did some of them get to the polls hours ahead of time? We're going to have their stories later on LIVE FROM.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Looking at stories in the news now other than the election.
First, Iraq -- six died in a car bombing in Baghdad, eight others wounded. Officials say the car exploded outside the Ministry of Education, which was badly damaged.
Yasser Arafat improving, but his illness still a mystery -- to us, at least. His spokeswoman says the 75-year-old Palestinian leader is doing well enough for more testing. Doctors say they have ruled out leukemia.
In California, defense attorneys for Scott Peterson are making their closing arguments at his murder trial. His lawyers claim someone else abducted and killed his pregnant wife Laci. Prosecutors argue Peterson was living a fantasy life and wanted to escape his domestic ties.
There's much more at stake than just picking a president today. Among the most important election results: The balance of power between Democrats and Republicans -- on Capitol Hill, of course.
CNN's Ed Henry looks at some possible lineups once the smoke clears.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
SEN. TOM DASCHLE (D-ND), MINORITY LEADER: Thank you both for coming.
ED HENRY, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Down to the wire, nine states too close to call. Sounds like the presidential race, but this is the battle for the Senate -- also a nail biter. SEN. JON CORZINE (D-NJ), DEM. SENATORIAL CAMPAIGN CMTE.: We think we're going to have a very, very tense Election Night as we see the returns come in.
SEN. GEORGE ALLEN (R-VA), NATL. REPUB. SENATORIAL CMTE.: I go to sleep every night, OK, how is this one going.
HENRY: Republicans currently control the chamber with 51 seats. So Democrats need to pick up two seats to take the majority.
Democrats have been buoyed by strong poll numbers in red states like Colorado, where Ken Salazar is tied with Republican Pete Coors; and Kentucky, where miscues have landed Republican Jim Bunting in a tight race with upstart Daniel Mongiardo.
But Democratic gains could be wiped out in places like South Dakota, where Democratic leader Tom Daschle is in a dead heat. The Senate battlegrounds are mostly in states President Bush will carry by double digits. So, Bush coattails, especially in the South, could be the Republican firewall.
CHUCK TODD, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, "THE HOTLINE": The Senate is at least within the grasp of the Democrats, but they would need to win pretty much every close race, and that doesn't seem likely at this point.
HENRY: Democrats will have a harder time taking back the House. Republicans crafted a redistricting map in Texas that may help them net five or more seats to offset Democratic gains elsewhere.
Thus, the focus on the Senate, where the stakes are high. If John Kerry wins, a Republican Senate would be a hindrance, a Democratic Senate a boon.
HENRY: If President Bush wins, a Democratic Senate could put on the brakes, but a Republican Senate would pass more tax cuts and approve conservative judges.
(on camera): If John Kerry wins the White House, he'll have to resign from the Senate, putting another seat up for grabs and further complicating the balance of power.
Ed Henry, CNN, Capitol Hill.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: What it's like for candidates on Election Day, anxiously awaiting for the word of the people, win or lose. Well, my two guests know that feeling firsthand. Bob Barr is a former Republican Congressman from Georgia and a CNN contributor. Tom Andrews is a former Democratic Congressman from Maine now running the Win Without War group in Washington. Great to have you both.
Tom, let's start with you. Go back to the day -- let's name the most important race for you -- I'm assuming I know what it is -- and how you were feeling the day the voting was taking place. TOM ANDREWS (D-ME), FMR. U.S. REPRESENTATIVE: My first run for the United States Congress, Kyra, was extraordinary. We were behind, according to the public polls, by 20 points with two weeks to go in the election. We had such a strong organization on the ground. We had literally hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands, of volunteers in every community and every precinct working those polls and getting our votes home.
Now, I'm hearing from the media that I don't have a chance on the one hand, and I'm following the progress of those on the ground who are bringing those votes in on the other hand, and I'll tell you it was a nail-biter. Even though I felt we had a good chance of winning, everything that you are geared up to do as a candidate between the moment you announce and the day of the election is, OK, how I can maximize this opportunity, this moment?
The nightmare scenario is to wake up the day after the election a close race. And boy, if I'd only done this, if I'd only done that. So, everything you are gearing up for, everything you do is maximizing that amount of time.
When Election Day comes, what do you do? There's nothing can you do to influence that outcome. It's a rough moment.
PHILLIPS: What about you, Bob? Did you sort of have that same feeling? I mean, what was going through your mind? Could you eat? Could you sleep? Could you relax?
BOB BARR (R-GA), FMR. U.S. REPRESENTATIVE: Of course I've got a clean conscious; I never have any trouble sleeping -- never, ever, of course.
PHILLIPS: No skeletons?
BARR: But you know, the '94 election just 10 years ago, if you think back to that, the first time in 40 years that the Republicans had recaptured control of the House and a race which wasn't decided really until about 2:00 in the morning because there was hand counting that was going on down in the southern part of the district down in south Georgia.
So, we didn't know until it was news all across the country that Newt Gingrich would be the speaker. And it was an absolutely unbelievable evening to be a part of that history.
But during the day, sure, my emotions were the same as Tom's. I mean, you think, well, if I go to the polling place and kidnap a bunch of people that are going to vote for the other guy maybe we can do that, but somebody would see it. So, you just kind of sit back and you're nervous, but you just go with the flow.
PHILLIPS: All right. I have to ask you guys this, too. You both have been winner and, unfortunately, have lost, also. Tom, what did it feel like to lose?
ANDREWS: Well, Kyra, I have won elections, I have lost an election. And I've come to the conclusion it's better to win elections.
PHILLIPS: I think that's the obvious.
ANDREWS: I mean, really, the thing is is that when that happens, you know, the first thing is, you know, let me get through this night, number one.
Number two, you know, you're with family, you're with friends -- they mean the most at that point.
And thirdly, you want to put the best -- cynically, you might call it spin -- but you want people to feel as good as they can about a bad situation. So, you fought for values and principles that you cared deeply about. You fought for ideas that you cared about. So, you talk about those ideas and those values. And you say we're going to fight another day, and isn't it great that we gave it all that we had in this election? Then you go home, and you try to sleep it off.
PHILLIPS: What about you, Bob?
BARR: Well, very much the same. I lost in a primary two years ago, as you might recall. And the hardest part about it was dealing with your kids who have been out there, giving it 100 percent. We had two young sons and several grandkids there with us, and they really take it hard.
You and your wife or your husband, you know, you're sort of -- you're ready for it, because you know it could go either way. And you're adults. But it's real difficult for the kids. And that's the hardest part about it, sitting there and having to explain to your grandkids or your son that's, you know, been out there every day after school working on the campaign that, you know, you can't win them all.
PHILLIPS: Wow. All right, let's talk about the balance of power. Not only is there a battle for the White House taking place, but also a battle for the Senate.
Tom, if John Kerry wins, what does that mean for the Senate?
ANDREWS: It's huge, Kyra. I mean, this could go, of course, any way. And the difference between a President Kerry with a Democratic Senate versus a President Kerry without a Democratic Senate, I mean, just think of those Supreme Court nominations, for example, and all the other key pieces of legislation that need to go through.
Having that -- those few votes that it takes to win that Democratic Senate is huge for John Kerry.
PHILLIPS: What about if President Bush wins?
BARR: I think both the House and the Senate will remain in Republican hands. What will be, of course, most interesting -- if President Bush wins, then I think we're going to see basically continuation of current policies, and that gives a lot of us conservatives some degree of heartburn with the tremendous increases in spending and foreign adventures and so forth. So, that's going to be a problem.
But if Senator Kerry wins, I think he'll face a Republican House and a Republican Senate, but if he's the sort of Democrat like Bill Clinton was who can compromise and work with the Congress, we actually might get a lot done.
PHILLIPS: You know, with all the negative advertising, all these ads, do you guys, either one of you remember a moment of mudslinging that still bugs to you this day? Can you think of one, Bob?
BARR: Well, probably in my first Congressional campaign in '94, there was some mud that was slung that had to do with an old divorce proceeding. And by that time, I really hadn't developed as thick a skin as I did later on when we had to deal with this. So, it became kind of personal.
But you know, over the years you learn to live with that and you know it's part of modern politics.
PHILLIPS: Tom, quickly, anything that bugs to you this day?
ANDREWS: You know, let me tell you, Kyra, when you go for an interview for a job and you blow the interview for the job and you don't get the job, OK, only you and a few people know. But these candidates are out there for all to see. So, when that mud flies and slings, you know, it really gets you. I mean...
PHILLIPS: But did something get you? Is there something specific? Bob was pretty honest here; he brought up an old divorce. How about you, Tom?
ANDREWS: Well, you know, I've never been divorced, Kyra. My life has been rather boring, I guess. So, I was OK in that department.
PHILLIPS: All right, Tom Andrews, Bob Barr, thanks for the pretty candid interviews today. Thank you.
ANDREWS: Thank you.
O'BRIEN: So, what are some voters saying about their experiences on this Election Day? We've got a sample for you.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I got here quarter of 6:00 this morning, and I've learned from living in Colorado for 12 years that there's lines everywhere you go. And I tried to early vote and I missed out because of the lines. So, I didn't want to miss out this time.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It will be nice when all over and we can move forward.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know, since there's such high voter apathy here, it makes it very cool to have people feel like their vote is counted. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I wait for everything else -- the grocery line, the telephone line. So, you know, it doesn't matter.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I actually voted for Bush. I just thought that he was a lot clearer on the topics. You know, he stuck to a position. He wasn't wishy-washy like Kerry was.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think Kerry will be better for Middle East and world policy, better for the environment, better for healthcare -- just better all the way around.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I voted for George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, were you two together?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're husband and wife, so we just canceled out each other's vote.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it's important to vote because it's our one opportunity to demonstrate that we, as a group of people, have the right to exercise decisions over who is governing our country.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is probably one of the more important elections, and I've been anticipating this for months. So, I couldn't wait. I couldn't sleep last night. I think it's so vital.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was a little confused, because this is my first time. And there was a lot of categories, but I got through it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O'BRIEN: All right. We want to explain a little something. We've been getting a few phone calls. We've been hearing from our viewers, and we love to hear from you. Let's talk about -- well, it's over here. Right here, this clock right there says T-minus 4:15:16. Thank you, Liz, for underscoring that point.
Now, you might say, well, that's not so. First poll closing actually happened, you know, in Dixville Notch, New Hampshire, or some other such place. What that really means, that time there on that screen, indicates the first statewide poll closings, which are at 7:00 eastern time. Hence that -- if you do the math, that's 4:14:52 seconds from now.
And therefore, as you watch that clock throughout afternoon and into the evening, you'll be able to know when the first -- potentially, at least -- the first bit of results come in. There you have it.
So, don't give us a call on that point. We love to hear from you, but not on that particular point.
All right. Put on your presidential thinking cap now. Riddle me this one: Which presidential candidates won 49 states? There are two of them. Do you know who they are? I remember one election very, very well. I was about 13. That will give you a hint. The answer when we come back.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PHILLIPS: Recount became a dirty word in the 2000 presidential election. It could be again if the voting in several swing states is close. What's it take to unleash a recount?
Well, in Ohio, it's required by law if one candidate wins by just one-fourth of one percent. A partial recount can be requested. Who foots the bill? The state.
A recount is not required in Pennsylvania. A partial recount can be requested, though, but make that request and lose if you pay for it.
Now, remember Florida? When the winning margin is half a percent or less, a recount is legally required. Partial ones aren't allowed, and the state pays for it.
Did you get all that?
O'BRIEN: I was writing that down. Yes, I have all that.
OK. Moments ago, we asked you a little bit of LIVE FROM presidential trivia. And just to remind you, in case you forgot, here it is: Which presidential candidates won 49 states? Of course, you know, that's kind of -- you realize it has to be in the 50-state era, so that does limit your timeframe. So, it's all within our lifetimes -- relatively speaking, I guess.
Richard Nixon in 1972 versus McGovern -- he only winning in Massachusetts. Neither -- and then, of course, Ronald Reagan in 1984 against Walter Mondale. And neither candidate -- I thought they carried the District of Columbia. I'm not sure about that. They're saying that on the screen there. But I -- in any case, Mondale got Minnesota.
The point is those are a couple of landslides. I don't expect we're going to be talking about that tomorrow, but you never know, do you?
PHILLIPS: I'll tell you, we got some other good stuff.
O'BRIEN: Do we?
PHILLIPS: Yeah. Dust off the Election Day photo album. Sonja Houston (ph), our crack segment producer -- smart, cracked case -- you know what I'm saying. I want to get through this quickly.
O'BRIEN: Crack good.
PHILLIPS: Thank you! That's it.
O'BRIEN: Yes, good crack.
PHILLIPS: Archival snapshots of democracy in action. Check this out. We reached way back to the '60s for this one -- 1860 to be precise. Voters casting their ballots in the election that made Abraham Lincoln our 16th president.
Now fast forward to 1936 as New Yorkers line up on Madison Avenue. And you'll see this picture -- we vote to bring back the fedora, of course.
Now look at this grabber. Black Americans in Columbia, South Carolina, in August of 1948, lining up to vote in the Democratic primary for the first time since 1876. You remember a Supreme Court ruling in 1944 said that blacks could not be denied the right to vote in primary elections.
And the next snapshot is from 1971. It marks a milestone. This 18-year-old votes for the first time under a then new federal law lowering the age requirement.
Aren't these pictures awesome?
O'BRIEN: Yeah, these are great. These are good finds.
PHILLIPS: Now, take a look at this. This is the final one. I know, Sonja's (ph) amazing. The portrait of a man losing an Election Day bet. Now, obviously, this airline mechanic obviously voted for the loser in the Truman/Dewey race and, as a result, he spent more than a week's worth of lunch hours pushing a peanut with his nose 200 feet across the hangar.
Hope you didn't make any foolish bets this time around, did you?
O'BRIEN: No, no. No wagering, please. No wagering, please. That's some bet.
All right, we're going to take a break. When we come back, we're going to check the financial markets.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
O'BRIEN: Wall Street.
PHILLIPS: Rhonda Schaffler.
O'BRIEN: Need to say more?
PHILLIPS: She's the queen.
(STOCK MARKET UPDATE)
O'BRIEN: All right, Rhonda. Thank you very much.
PHILLIPS: Take a quick break.
O'BRIEN: Let's do a break.
PHILLIPS: All right.
O'BRIEN: Back with more in a moment.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PHILLIPS: No factual basis whatsoever -- that's now a Philadelphia election official responding to a Republican party allegation. Republicans say that some machines in the city already had votes on them before the polls opened. Democrats say Republicans were looking at the wrong numbers on the machines. Pennsylvania has 21 electoral votes at stake.
Not hearing the case -- the Supreme Court won't stop poll watchers from challenging voters' eligibility in Ohio. Justice John Paul Stevens is allowing a federal appeals court stay to stand stemming from two lawsuits. The suits allege that Republican representatives were trying to intimidate voters and cause election delays in Ohio.
And a judge's ruling may impact Minority Leader Tom Daschle's bitter battle to retain his Senate seat. Daschle says GOP supporters of his opponent are trying to intimidate Native Americans in South Dakota. A judge has ordered GOP pollwatchers there to stop following Native Americans to the voting booth.
Now, more of Election Day coverage with Judy Woodruff on "INSIDE POLITICS." Miles and I will be back tomorrow on LIVE FROM.
TO ORDER A VIDEO OF THIS TRANSCRIPT, PLEASE CALL 800-CNN-NEWS OR USE OUR SECURE ONLINE ORDER FORM LOCATED AT www.fdch.com
Aired November 2, 2004 - 14:34 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: All right. We hate to do it, but we're going to talk about that dreaded "R" word. Ahead, we're going to look at the scenarios that could trigger a recount.
And for American voters lining up early and turning out in record numbers -- that's good news -- why did some of them get to the polls hours ahead of time? We're going to have their stories later on LIVE FROM.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
MILES O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: Looking at stories in the news now other than the election.
First, Iraq -- six died in a car bombing in Baghdad, eight others wounded. Officials say the car exploded outside the Ministry of Education, which was badly damaged.
Yasser Arafat improving, but his illness still a mystery -- to us, at least. His spokeswoman says the 75-year-old Palestinian leader is doing well enough for more testing. Doctors say they have ruled out leukemia.
In California, defense attorneys for Scott Peterson are making their closing arguments at his murder trial. His lawyers claim someone else abducted and killed his pregnant wife Laci. Prosecutors argue Peterson was living a fantasy life and wanted to escape his domestic ties.
There's much more at stake than just picking a president today. Among the most important election results: The balance of power between Democrats and Republicans -- on Capitol Hill, of course.
CNN's Ed Henry looks at some possible lineups once the smoke clears.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
SEN. TOM DASCHLE (D-ND), MINORITY LEADER: Thank you both for coming.
ED HENRY, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Down to the wire, nine states too close to call. Sounds like the presidential race, but this is the battle for the Senate -- also a nail biter. SEN. JON CORZINE (D-NJ), DEM. SENATORIAL CAMPAIGN CMTE.: We think we're going to have a very, very tense Election Night as we see the returns come in.
SEN. GEORGE ALLEN (R-VA), NATL. REPUB. SENATORIAL CMTE.: I go to sleep every night, OK, how is this one going.
HENRY: Republicans currently control the chamber with 51 seats. So Democrats need to pick up two seats to take the majority.
Democrats have been buoyed by strong poll numbers in red states like Colorado, where Ken Salazar is tied with Republican Pete Coors; and Kentucky, where miscues have landed Republican Jim Bunting in a tight race with upstart Daniel Mongiardo.
But Democratic gains could be wiped out in places like South Dakota, where Democratic leader Tom Daschle is in a dead heat. The Senate battlegrounds are mostly in states President Bush will carry by double digits. So, Bush coattails, especially in the South, could be the Republican firewall.
CHUCK TODD, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, "THE HOTLINE": The Senate is at least within the grasp of the Democrats, but they would need to win pretty much every close race, and that doesn't seem likely at this point.
HENRY: Democrats will have a harder time taking back the House. Republicans crafted a redistricting map in Texas that may help them net five or more seats to offset Democratic gains elsewhere.
Thus, the focus on the Senate, where the stakes are high. If John Kerry wins, a Republican Senate would be a hindrance, a Democratic Senate a boon.
HENRY: If President Bush wins, a Democratic Senate could put on the brakes, but a Republican Senate would pass more tax cuts and approve conservative judges.
(on camera): If John Kerry wins the White House, he'll have to resign from the Senate, putting another seat up for grabs and further complicating the balance of power.
Ed Henry, CNN, Capitol Hill.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: What it's like for candidates on Election Day, anxiously awaiting for the word of the people, win or lose. Well, my two guests know that feeling firsthand. Bob Barr is a former Republican Congressman from Georgia and a CNN contributor. Tom Andrews is a former Democratic Congressman from Maine now running the Win Without War group in Washington. Great to have you both.
Tom, let's start with you. Go back to the day -- let's name the most important race for you -- I'm assuming I know what it is -- and how you were feeling the day the voting was taking place. TOM ANDREWS (D-ME), FMR. U.S. REPRESENTATIVE: My first run for the United States Congress, Kyra, was extraordinary. We were behind, according to the public polls, by 20 points with two weeks to go in the election. We had such a strong organization on the ground. We had literally hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands, of volunteers in every community and every precinct working those polls and getting our votes home.
Now, I'm hearing from the media that I don't have a chance on the one hand, and I'm following the progress of those on the ground who are bringing those votes in on the other hand, and I'll tell you it was a nail-biter. Even though I felt we had a good chance of winning, everything that you are geared up to do as a candidate between the moment you announce and the day of the election is, OK, how I can maximize this opportunity, this moment?
The nightmare scenario is to wake up the day after the election a close race. And boy, if I'd only done this, if I'd only done that. So, everything you are gearing up for, everything you do is maximizing that amount of time.
When Election Day comes, what do you do? There's nothing can you do to influence that outcome. It's a rough moment.
PHILLIPS: What about you, Bob? Did you sort of have that same feeling? I mean, what was going through your mind? Could you eat? Could you sleep? Could you relax?
BOB BARR (R-GA), FMR. U.S. REPRESENTATIVE: Of course I've got a clean conscious; I never have any trouble sleeping -- never, ever, of course.
PHILLIPS: No skeletons?
BARR: But you know, the '94 election just 10 years ago, if you think back to that, the first time in 40 years that the Republicans had recaptured control of the House and a race which wasn't decided really until about 2:00 in the morning because there was hand counting that was going on down in the southern part of the district down in south Georgia.
So, we didn't know until it was news all across the country that Newt Gingrich would be the speaker. And it was an absolutely unbelievable evening to be a part of that history.
But during the day, sure, my emotions were the same as Tom's. I mean, you think, well, if I go to the polling place and kidnap a bunch of people that are going to vote for the other guy maybe we can do that, but somebody would see it. So, you just kind of sit back and you're nervous, but you just go with the flow.
PHILLIPS: All right. I have to ask you guys this, too. You both have been winner and, unfortunately, have lost, also. Tom, what did it feel like to lose?
ANDREWS: Well, Kyra, I have won elections, I have lost an election. And I've come to the conclusion it's better to win elections.
PHILLIPS: I think that's the obvious.
ANDREWS: I mean, really, the thing is is that when that happens, you know, the first thing is, you know, let me get through this night, number one.
Number two, you know, you're with family, you're with friends -- they mean the most at that point.
And thirdly, you want to put the best -- cynically, you might call it spin -- but you want people to feel as good as they can about a bad situation. So, you fought for values and principles that you cared deeply about. You fought for ideas that you cared about. So, you talk about those ideas and those values. And you say we're going to fight another day, and isn't it great that we gave it all that we had in this election? Then you go home, and you try to sleep it off.
PHILLIPS: What about you, Bob?
BARR: Well, very much the same. I lost in a primary two years ago, as you might recall. And the hardest part about it was dealing with your kids who have been out there, giving it 100 percent. We had two young sons and several grandkids there with us, and they really take it hard.
You and your wife or your husband, you know, you're sort of -- you're ready for it, because you know it could go either way. And you're adults. But it's real difficult for the kids. And that's the hardest part about it, sitting there and having to explain to your grandkids or your son that's, you know, been out there every day after school working on the campaign that, you know, you can't win them all.
PHILLIPS: Wow. All right, let's talk about the balance of power. Not only is there a battle for the White House taking place, but also a battle for the Senate.
Tom, if John Kerry wins, what does that mean for the Senate?
ANDREWS: It's huge, Kyra. I mean, this could go, of course, any way. And the difference between a President Kerry with a Democratic Senate versus a President Kerry without a Democratic Senate, I mean, just think of those Supreme Court nominations, for example, and all the other key pieces of legislation that need to go through.
Having that -- those few votes that it takes to win that Democratic Senate is huge for John Kerry.
PHILLIPS: What about if President Bush wins?
BARR: I think both the House and the Senate will remain in Republican hands. What will be, of course, most interesting -- if President Bush wins, then I think we're going to see basically continuation of current policies, and that gives a lot of us conservatives some degree of heartburn with the tremendous increases in spending and foreign adventures and so forth. So, that's going to be a problem.
But if Senator Kerry wins, I think he'll face a Republican House and a Republican Senate, but if he's the sort of Democrat like Bill Clinton was who can compromise and work with the Congress, we actually might get a lot done.
PHILLIPS: You know, with all the negative advertising, all these ads, do you guys, either one of you remember a moment of mudslinging that still bugs to you this day? Can you think of one, Bob?
BARR: Well, probably in my first Congressional campaign in '94, there was some mud that was slung that had to do with an old divorce proceeding. And by that time, I really hadn't developed as thick a skin as I did later on when we had to deal with this. So, it became kind of personal.
But you know, over the years you learn to live with that and you know it's part of modern politics.
PHILLIPS: Tom, quickly, anything that bugs to you this day?
ANDREWS: You know, let me tell you, Kyra, when you go for an interview for a job and you blow the interview for the job and you don't get the job, OK, only you and a few people know. But these candidates are out there for all to see. So, when that mud flies and slings, you know, it really gets you. I mean...
PHILLIPS: But did something get you? Is there something specific? Bob was pretty honest here; he brought up an old divorce. How about you, Tom?
ANDREWS: Well, you know, I've never been divorced, Kyra. My life has been rather boring, I guess. So, I was OK in that department.
PHILLIPS: All right, Tom Andrews, Bob Barr, thanks for the pretty candid interviews today. Thank you.
ANDREWS: Thank you.
O'BRIEN: So, what are some voters saying about their experiences on this Election Day? We've got a sample for you.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I got here quarter of 6:00 this morning, and I've learned from living in Colorado for 12 years that there's lines everywhere you go. And I tried to early vote and I missed out because of the lines. So, I didn't want to miss out this time.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It will be nice when all over and we can move forward.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know, since there's such high voter apathy here, it makes it very cool to have people feel like their vote is counted. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I wait for everything else -- the grocery line, the telephone line. So, you know, it doesn't matter.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I actually voted for Bush. I just thought that he was a lot clearer on the topics. You know, he stuck to a position. He wasn't wishy-washy like Kerry was.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think Kerry will be better for Middle East and world policy, better for the environment, better for healthcare -- just better all the way around.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I voted for George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, were you two together?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're husband and wife, so we just canceled out each other's vote.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it's important to vote because it's our one opportunity to demonstrate that we, as a group of people, have the right to exercise decisions over who is governing our country.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is probably one of the more important elections, and I've been anticipating this for months. So, I couldn't wait. I couldn't sleep last night. I think it's so vital.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was a little confused, because this is my first time. And there was a lot of categories, but I got through it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O'BRIEN: All right. We want to explain a little something. We've been getting a few phone calls. We've been hearing from our viewers, and we love to hear from you. Let's talk about -- well, it's over here. Right here, this clock right there says T-minus 4:15:16. Thank you, Liz, for underscoring that point.
Now, you might say, well, that's not so. First poll closing actually happened, you know, in Dixville Notch, New Hampshire, or some other such place. What that really means, that time there on that screen, indicates the first statewide poll closings, which are at 7:00 eastern time. Hence that -- if you do the math, that's 4:14:52 seconds from now.
And therefore, as you watch that clock throughout afternoon and into the evening, you'll be able to know when the first -- potentially, at least -- the first bit of results come in. There you have it.
So, don't give us a call on that point. We love to hear from you, but not on that particular point.
All right. Put on your presidential thinking cap now. Riddle me this one: Which presidential candidates won 49 states? There are two of them. Do you know who they are? I remember one election very, very well. I was about 13. That will give you a hint. The answer when we come back.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PHILLIPS: Recount became a dirty word in the 2000 presidential election. It could be again if the voting in several swing states is close. What's it take to unleash a recount?
Well, in Ohio, it's required by law if one candidate wins by just one-fourth of one percent. A partial recount can be requested. Who foots the bill? The state.
A recount is not required in Pennsylvania. A partial recount can be requested, though, but make that request and lose if you pay for it.
Now, remember Florida? When the winning margin is half a percent or less, a recount is legally required. Partial ones aren't allowed, and the state pays for it.
Did you get all that?
O'BRIEN: I was writing that down. Yes, I have all that.
OK. Moments ago, we asked you a little bit of LIVE FROM presidential trivia. And just to remind you, in case you forgot, here it is: Which presidential candidates won 49 states? Of course, you know, that's kind of -- you realize it has to be in the 50-state era, so that does limit your timeframe. So, it's all within our lifetimes -- relatively speaking, I guess.
Richard Nixon in 1972 versus McGovern -- he only winning in Massachusetts. Neither -- and then, of course, Ronald Reagan in 1984 against Walter Mondale. And neither candidate -- I thought they carried the District of Columbia. I'm not sure about that. They're saying that on the screen there. But I -- in any case, Mondale got Minnesota.
The point is those are a couple of landslides. I don't expect we're going to be talking about that tomorrow, but you never know, do you?
PHILLIPS: I'll tell you, we got some other good stuff.
O'BRIEN: Do we?
PHILLIPS: Yeah. Dust off the Election Day photo album. Sonja Houston (ph), our crack segment producer -- smart, cracked case -- you know what I'm saying. I want to get through this quickly.
O'BRIEN: Crack good.
PHILLIPS: Thank you! That's it.
O'BRIEN: Yes, good crack.
PHILLIPS: Archival snapshots of democracy in action. Check this out. We reached way back to the '60s for this one -- 1860 to be precise. Voters casting their ballots in the election that made Abraham Lincoln our 16th president.
Now fast forward to 1936 as New Yorkers line up on Madison Avenue. And you'll see this picture -- we vote to bring back the fedora, of course.
Now look at this grabber. Black Americans in Columbia, South Carolina, in August of 1948, lining up to vote in the Democratic primary for the first time since 1876. You remember a Supreme Court ruling in 1944 said that blacks could not be denied the right to vote in primary elections.
And the next snapshot is from 1971. It marks a milestone. This 18-year-old votes for the first time under a then new federal law lowering the age requirement.
Aren't these pictures awesome?
O'BRIEN: Yeah, these are great. These are good finds.
PHILLIPS: Now, take a look at this. This is the final one. I know, Sonja's (ph) amazing. The portrait of a man losing an Election Day bet. Now, obviously, this airline mechanic obviously voted for the loser in the Truman/Dewey race and, as a result, he spent more than a week's worth of lunch hours pushing a peanut with his nose 200 feet across the hangar.
Hope you didn't make any foolish bets this time around, did you?
O'BRIEN: No, no. No wagering, please. No wagering, please. That's some bet.
All right, we're going to take a break. When we come back, we're going to check the financial markets.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
O'BRIEN: Wall Street.
PHILLIPS: Rhonda Schaffler.
O'BRIEN: Need to say more?
PHILLIPS: She's the queen.
(STOCK MARKET UPDATE)
O'BRIEN: All right, Rhonda. Thank you very much.
PHILLIPS: Take a quick break.
O'BRIEN: Let's do a break.
PHILLIPS: All right.
O'BRIEN: Back with more in a moment.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PHILLIPS: No factual basis whatsoever -- that's now a Philadelphia election official responding to a Republican party allegation. Republicans say that some machines in the city already had votes on them before the polls opened. Democrats say Republicans were looking at the wrong numbers on the machines. Pennsylvania has 21 electoral votes at stake.
Not hearing the case -- the Supreme Court won't stop poll watchers from challenging voters' eligibility in Ohio. Justice John Paul Stevens is allowing a federal appeals court stay to stand stemming from two lawsuits. The suits allege that Republican representatives were trying to intimidate voters and cause election delays in Ohio.
And a judge's ruling may impact Minority Leader Tom Daschle's bitter battle to retain his Senate seat. Daschle says GOP supporters of his opponent are trying to intimidate Native Americans in South Dakota. A judge has ordered GOP pollwatchers there to stop following Native Americans to the voting booth.
Now, more of Election Day coverage with Judy Woodruff on "INSIDE POLITICS." Miles and I will be back tomorrow on LIVE FROM.
TO ORDER A VIDEO OF THIS TRANSCRIPT, PLEASE CALL 800-CNN-NEWS OR USE OUR SECURE ONLINE ORDER FORM LOCATED AT www.fdch.com
